[Dtb-talk] No $330.00 player for me,

Sun Nov 25 21:30:02 CST 2007

David;

All I'm saying is that they have interpreted the law to require a  
level of DRM far in excess of what was required and in doing so have  
added both cost and delay to the conversion program.

The Copyright Law Amendment, 1996: PL 104-197 December 1996 states  
that: works will "not be reproduced or distributed in a format other  
than a specialized format exclusively for use by blind or other  
persons with disabilities;"

The decision to burden the patrons of the NLS with DRM was an  
administrative one not one outlined by law. The law requires a  
"specialized format" which DAISY in and of itself surly is just as  
half speed cassettes are now.

Of course the question remains, will NLS authorize iPod hardware  
players or not?

Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
Casper, Wyoming 82601
307-224-4022
gkearney at gmail.com

On Nov 25, 2007, at 8:11 PM, David Andrews wrote:

> You are correct.  They are not going to do a software-based player
> because of security concerns.
>
> And yes ... we know how you feel about that, and whether or not you
> are right doesn't really matter.  NLS is a part of the Library
> of  Congress, which also contains the copyright office.  they use tax
> dollar to do books, and are probably the main beneficiary of the
> Chafee amendments.  Not having to get copyright permission saves them
> anywhere from a few months to a year or more on doing each
> book.  They have to play it completely straight, whether or not you
> or I agree with DRM etc.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:14 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
>> As one of the developers of the Apple I can assure you that it is a
>> very high interest area for us. The issue that I have faced is that
>> the NLS seems reluctant at bast to authorize software based players
>> of  NLS material.
>>
>> Greg Kearney
>> 535 S. Jackson St.
>> Casper, Wyoming 82601
>> 307-224-4022
>> gkearney at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2007, at 5:49 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> Greg:
>>>
>>> For somebody who didn't want to go into his anti-DRM speech, you did
>>> it again.
>>>
>>> As George points out, anyone could develop a player to handle NLS
>>> books.  However, they would have to work with NLS to give authorized
>>> users only the keys to unencrypt the books.  I doubt a  mainstream
>>> company like Apple would bother for such a relatively small market.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 10:37 AM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
>>>> I own a Stream, and just about every other player known as well.  
>>>> This
>>>> should come as no great surprise to anyone who knows me as I am
>>>> engaged in the production of books and book production software and
>>>> used the player for testing. I am also involved in the  
>>>> development of
>>>> playback systems for various Apple products. I will say this that
>>>> play
>>>> back is much more difficult than is production in terms of software
>>>> requirements. Part of that complexity is the need to build in the
>>>> ultimately ineffective digital rights management routines into any
>>>> player to deal with NLS and RFB&D.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone seems to forget that any book, regardless of what ever DRM
>>>> has been applied to it can be copied with nothing more than a $2
>>>> patch
>>>> cord. And don't be lulled into believing that authorized player  
>>>> will
>>>> not show up on Ebay where nearly every day there are NLS tape  
>>>> players
>>>> for sale. My views on DRM in DAISY are well known and I need not go
>>>> into them here. Needless to say I find it a fool errand than  
>>>> hampers
>>>> the honest and does nothing to deter the criminal.
>>>>
>>>> All that said the Stream is very convenient and better than  
>>>> shlepping
>>>> about thee players. In the end we will all end up with a NLS issued
>>>> player, someday, maybe, if the weather is good and the moon is full
>>>> and, well you get the idea.
>>>>
>>>> Just what the NLS is going to do when Apple or some other maker  
>>>> of a
>>>> consumer device come to them to have the iPod authorized to play  
>>>> NLS
>>>> books is an interesting question indeed. As a government agency I
>>>> don't think they can  play favorites, authorizing HumanWare but not
>>>> Apple.  We are already faced with the issue of being unable to
>>>> authorize Audible playback with out a Windows computer in the  
>>>> Stream
>>>> and that is a private company. When Apple introduces DAISY playback
>>>> in
>>>> the iPod what will the NLS or RFB&D position be about that playback
>>>> in
>>>> a consumer device?
>>>>
>>>> As far as I am aware the U.S. is the only nation engaged in DRM in
>>>> talking books. Is that right George?
>>>>
>>>> As for my production tools they do not now nor will they ever  
>>>> produce
>>>> any form of DRM books. If a book is produced the right way, with  
>>>> mp3
>>>> files named in playable order that book is playable on any consumer
>>>> grade device now.
>>>>
>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>> 535 S. Jackson St.
>>>> Casper, Wyoming 82601
>>>> 307-224-4022
>>>> gkearney at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:06 AM, kb7uen gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Message
>>>>> I have been using a ipod photo for the last three years, and read
>>>>> Audible books on it all the time.  Well, since then, I have  
>>>>> added a
>>>>> ipod shuffle, a Pioneer Inno, for XM, the Pacmate, and the Olympus
>>>>> DS50.  All these devices will play Audible books.  Now the Victor
>>>>> Stream comes along for $330.00, which will also read Audible, NLS,
>>>>> and probably soon, the RFB&D books as well.  I don't need the  
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> Stream for Audible, and I have a Victor Wave for RFB&D books, so  
>>>>> why
>>>>> spend $330.00 for a portable device just to read NLS books?  Can  
>>>>> the
>>>>> ipod and other devices I mentioned above be updated to read these
>>>>> books?  It just seems like overkill to buy the Stream just to read
>>>>> NLS books.  Couldn't someone make a small player which would be  
>>>>> the
>>>>> size of a thin remote for under $100.00 which could do the same
>>>>> thing?  Anyway, I am just curious what the rest of you have to  
>>>>> about
>>>>> what I posted here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
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