[Dtb-talk] No $330.00 player for me,

[David Andrews]

Greg:

For somebody who didn't want to go into his anti-DRM speech, you did it again.

As George points out, anyone could develop a player to handle NLS 
books.  However, they would have to work with NLS to give authorized 
users only the keys to unencrypt the books.  I doubt a  mainstream 
company like Apple would bother for such a relatively small market.

Dave

At 10:37 AM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
>I own a Stream, and just about every other player known as well. This
>should come as no great surprise to anyone who knows me as I am
>engaged in the production of books and book production software and
>used the player for testing. I am also involved in the development of
>playback systems for various Apple products. I will say this that play
>back is much more difficult than is production in terms of software
>requirements. Part of that complexity is the need to build in the
>ultimately ineffective digital rights management routines into any
>player to deal with NLS and RFB&D.
>
>Everyone seems to forget that any book, regardless of what ever DRM
>has been applied to it can be copied with nothing more than a $2 patch
>cord. And don't be lulled into believing that authorized player will
>not show up on Ebay where nearly every day there are NLS tape players
>for sale. My views on DRM in DAISY are well known and I need not go
>into them here. Needless to say I find it a fool errand than hampers
>the honest and does nothing to deter the criminal.
>
>All that said the Stream is very convenient and better than shlepping
>about thee players. In the end we will all end up with a NLS issued
>player, someday, maybe, if the weather is good and the moon is full
>and, well you get the idea.
>
>Just what the NLS is going to do when Apple or some other maker of a
>consumer device come to them to have the iPod authorized to play NLS
>books is an interesting question indeed. As a government agency I
>don't think they can  play favorites, authorizing HumanWare but not
>Apple.  We are already faced with the issue of being unable to
>authorize Audible playback with out a Windows computer in the Stream
>and that is a private company. When Apple introduces DAISY playback in
>the iPod what will the NLS or RFB&D position be about that playback in
>a consumer device?
>
>As far as I am aware the U.S. is the only nation engaged in DRM in
>talking books. Is that right George?
>
>As for my production tools they do not now nor will they ever produce
>any form of DRM books. If a book is produced the right way, with mp3
>files named in playable order that book is playable on any consumer
>grade device now.
>
>Greg Kearney
>535 S. Jackson St.
>Casper, Wyoming 82601
>307-224-4022
>gkearney at gmail.com
>
>
>
>On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:06 AM, kb7uen gene wrote:
>
> > Message
> > I have been using a ipod photo for the last three years, and read
> > Audible books on it all the time.  Well, since then, I have added a
> > ipod shuffle, a Pioneer Inno, for XM, the Pacmate, and the Olympus
> > DS50.  All these devices will play Audible books.  Now the Victor
> > Stream comes along for $330.00, which will also read Audible, NLS,
> > and probably soon, the RFB&D books as well.  I don't need the Victor
> > Stream for Audible, and I have a Victor Wave for RFB&D books, so why
> > spend $330.00 for a portable device just to read NLS books?  Can the
> > ipod and other devices I mentioned above be updated to read these
> > books?  It just seems like overkill to buy the Stream just to read
> > NLS books.  Couldn't someone make a small player which would be the
> > size of a thin remote for under $100.00 which could do the same
> > thing?  Anyway, I am just curious what the rest of you have to about
> > what I posted here.
> >
> > Gene
> >
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