[Dtb-talk] No $330.00 player for me,

[Greg Kearney]

Thanks George I believe that Canada has dropped it DRM system if I  
recall. I don't know about the others.

I never suggested that PDTB is security through obscurity only that it  
is ineffective and is directed at the wrong parties.


Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
Casper, Wyoming 82601
307-224-4022
gkearney at gmail.com



On Nov 25, 2007, at 11:27 AM, George Kerscher wrote:

> 		Hi,
>
> 1. I believe that Canada, the Netherlands, and Sweden are using one  
> of the
> DAISY Protected Digital Talking Book (PDTB)specifications.
>
> NOTE: The DAISY Board has recently come out with a public statement  
> that DRM
> should only be used where absoultely necessary. Some organizations and
> countries are using watermarking and fingerprinting. The public  
> statement is
> not yet posted, but will as soon as we have time to put it up.
>
>
> 2. The PDTB 2 is not security through obscurity, because it is openly
> published on the DAISY site. It uses several different standards,  
> such as
> public key/private keys and XML encryption, which is a W3C standard.  
> The
> first version of PDTB is security through obscurity, because a  
> company must
> sign an NDA to get the spec. Key exchange is a huge problem with  
> PDTB 1,
> which folks at RFB&D know all about, along with those of us who use  
> their
> service.
>
> Reporting the facts.
>
> Best
> George
>
> Best
> George
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:38 AM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] No $330.00 player for me,
>>
>> I own a Stream, and just about every other player known as
>> well. This
>> should come as no great surprise to anyone who knows me as I am
>> engaged in the production of books and book production software and
>> used the player for testing. I am also involved in the
>> development of
>> playback systems for various Apple products. I will say this
>> that play
>> back is much more difficult than is production in terms of software
>> requirements. Part of that complexity is the need to build in the
>> ultimately ineffective digital rights management routines into any
>> player to deal with NLS and RFB&D.
>>
>> Everyone seems to forget that any book, regardless of what ever DRM
>> has been applied to it can be copied with nothing more than a
>> $2 patch
>> cord. And don't be lulled into believing that authorized player will
>> not show up on Ebay where nearly every day there are NLS tape
>> players
>> for sale. My views on DRM in DAISY are well known and I need not go
>> into them here. Needless to say I find it a fool errand than hampers
>> the honest and does nothing to deter the criminal.
>>
>> All that said the Stream is very convenient and better than
>> shlepping
>> about thee players. In the end we will all end up with a NLS issued
>> player, someday, maybe, if the weather is good and the moon is full
>> and, well you get the idea.
>>
>> Just what the NLS is going to do when Apple or some other maker of a
>> consumer device come to them to have the iPod authorized to play NLS
>> books is an interesting question indeed. As a government agency I
>> don't think they can  play favorites, authorizing HumanWare but not
>> Apple.  We are already faced with the issue of being unable to
>> authorize Audible playback with out a Windows computer in the Stream
>> and that is a private company. When Apple introduces DAISY
>> playback in
>> the iPod what will the NLS or RFB&D position be about that
>> playback in
>> a consumer device?
>>
>> As far as I am aware the U.S. is the only nation engaged in DRM in
>> talking books. Is that right George?
>>
>> As for my production tools they do not now nor will they ever
>> produce
>> any form of DRM books. If a book is produced the right way, with mp3
>> files named in playable order that book is playable on any consumer
>> grade device now.
>>
>> Greg Kearney
>> 535 S. Jackson St.
>> Casper, Wyoming 82601
>> 307-224-4022
>> gkearney at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:06 AM, kb7uen gene wrote:
>>
>>> Message
>>> I have been using a ipod photo for the last three years, and read
>>> Audible books on it all the time.  Well, since then, I have
>> added a
>>> ipod shuffle, a Pioneer Inno, for XM, the Pacmate, and the Olympus
>>> DS50.  All these devices will play Audible books.  Now the Victor
>>> Stream comes along for $330.00, which will also read Audible, NLS,
>>> and probably soon, the RFB&D books as well.  I don't need
>> the Victor
>>> Stream for Audible, and I have a Victor Wave for RFB&D
>> books, so why
>>> spend $330.00 for a portable device just to read NLS books?
>> Can the
>>> ipod and other devices I mentioned above be updated to read these
>>> books?  It just seems like overkill to buy the Stream just to read
>>> NLS books.  Couldn't someone make a small player which
>> would be the
>>> size of a thin remote for under $100.00 which could do the same
>>> thing?  Anyway, I am just curious what the rest of you have
>> to about
>>> what I posted here.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
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