[Dtb-talk] No $330.00 player for me,

[George Kerscher]

		Hi,

1. I believe that Canada, the Netherlands, and Sweden are using one of the
DAISY Protected Digital Talking Book (PDTB)specifications.

NOTE: The DAISY Board has recently come out with a public statement that DRM
should only be used where absoultely necessary. Some organizations and
countries are using watermarking and fingerprinting. The public statement is
not yet posted, but will as soon as we have time to put it up.


2. The PDTB 2 is not security through obscurity, because it is openly
published on the DAISY site. It uses several different standards, such as
public key/private keys and XML encryption, which is a W3C standard. The
first version of PDTB is security through obscurity, because a company must
sign an NDA to get the spec. Key exchange is a huge problem with PDTB 1,
which folks at RFB&D know all about, along with those of us who use their
service.

Reporting the facts.

Best
George

Best
George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:38 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] No $330.00 player for me,
> 
> I own a Stream, and just about every other player known as 
> well. This  
> should come as no great surprise to anyone who knows me as I am  
> engaged in the production of books and book production software and  
> used the player for testing. I am also involved in the 
> development of  
> playback systems for various Apple products. I will say this 
> that play  
> back is much more difficult than is production in terms of software  
> requirements. Part of that complexity is the need to build in the  
> ultimately ineffective digital rights management routines into any  
> player to deal with NLS and RFB&D.
> 
> Everyone seems to forget that any book, regardless of what ever DRM  
> has been applied to it can be copied with nothing more than a 
> $2 patch  
> cord. And don't be lulled into believing that authorized player will  
> not show up on Ebay where nearly every day there are NLS tape 
> players  
> for sale. My views on DRM in DAISY are well known and I need not go  
> into them here. Needless to say I find it a fool errand than hampers  
> the honest and does nothing to deter the criminal.
> 
> All that said the Stream is very convenient and better than 
> shlepping  
> about thee players. In the end we will all end up with a NLS issued  
> player, someday, maybe, if the weather is good and the moon is full  
> and, well you get the idea.
> 
> Just what the NLS is going to do when Apple or some other maker of a  
> consumer device come to them to have the iPod authorized to play NLS  
> books is an interesting question indeed. As a government agency I  
> don't think they can  play favorites, authorizing HumanWare but not  
> Apple.  We are already faced with the issue of being unable to  
> authorize Audible playback with out a Windows computer in the Stream  
> and that is a private company. When Apple introduces DAISY 
> playback in  
> the iPod what will the NLS or RFB&D position be about that 
> playback in  
> a consumer device?
> 
> As far as I am aware the U.S. is the only nation engaged in DRM in  
> talking books. Is that right George?
> 
> As for my production tools they do not now nor will they ever 
> produce  
> any form of DRM books. If a book is produced the right way, with mp3  
> files named in playable order that book is playable on any consumer  
> grade device now.
> 
> Greg Kearney
> 535 S. Jackson St.
> Casper, Wyoming 82601
> 307-224-4022
> gkearney at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:06 AM, kb7uen gene wrote:
> 
> > Message
> > I have been using a ipod photo for the last three years, and read  
> > Audible books on it all the time.  Well, since then, I have 
> added a  
> > ipod shuffle, a Pioneer Inno, for XM, the Pacmate, and the Olympus  
> > DS50.  All these devices will play Audible books.  Now the Victor  
> > Stream comes along for $330.00, which will also read Audible, NLS,  
> > and probably soon, the RFB&D books as well.  I don't need 
> the Victor  
> > Stream for Audible, and I have a Victor Wave for RFB&D 
> books, so why  
> > spend $330.00 for a portable device just to read NLS books? 
>  Can the  
> > ipod and other devices I mentioned above be updated to read these  
> > books?  It just seems like overkill to buy the Stream just to read  
> > NLS books.  Couldn't someone make a small player which 
> would be the  
> > size of a thin remote for under $100.00 which could do the same  
> > thing?  Anyway, I am just curious what the rest of you have 
> to about  
> > what I posted here.
> >
> > Gene
> >
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