[Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
Greg Kearney
gkearney at gmail.com
Sat Apr 28 22:20:15 CDT 2007
But Daisy is a universal format.
Greg
On Apr 28, 2007, at 17:20 , Mike Freeman wrote:
> Perhaps you should ask NLS why it is proceeding as it does - or
> read its plan - before doing so. I can tell you this: publishers
> would just as soon kill the NLS program when they perceive there's
> money to be made by doing so as permit such a universal format.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> mailto:freespirit328 at gmail.com Jennifer Aberdeen
> To:
> mailto:dtb-talk at nfbnet.org Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Sent:
> Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:21 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
> Maybe I will send an email to all four of my Representatives again
> with this
> suggestion.
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Donahue" < mailto:pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
> pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" < mailto:dtb-
> talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>> Hello Jennifer and listers,
>>
>> I'll be more supportive of the effort to get NLS its appropriation
>> provided
>> that Congress mandates that NLS and other producers of digital
>> talking
>> books
>> enable their books to play using any player capable of playing
>> books in
>> the
>> DAISY Digital Talking Book Format. If other countries are using
>> unencrypted
>> DTBS without all of the nightmares concerning DRM and encryption
>> perhaps
>> the
>> U.S. should follow their lead.Had they conversation occurred
>> several days
>> before you wrote your letter you could have included a suggestion
>> for this
>> mandate to your congressman. However, its good that you let them
>> know that
>> the appropriation is needed for the conversion of NLS'S analog to
>> digital
>> book format to be completed on time.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" < mailto:freespirit328 at gmail.com
>> freespirit328 at gmail.com
>>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" < mailto:dtb-
>> talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>>
>>
>> If I had known this a few days ago, I wouldn't have emailed my
>> representatives about this. I thought I was doing a good thing,
>> but if I'm
>> going to have to buy a number of different players-I'd rather buy the
>> audio
>> books in the store.
>>
>> Jen
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Donahue" < mailto:pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>> pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" < mailto:dtb-
>> talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>>
>>
>>> Hello again Greg and listers,
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is one reason why Congress is reluctant to
>>> appropriate
>>> funds for the digital talking book conversion program. Why should
>>> we ask
>>> the
>>> taxpayers to fund the creation of an encryption system which
>>> will be
>>> cracked shortly after DTBS become available to NLS patrons? I'm
>>> all for
>>> urging them to give NLS the needed appropriations for the DTB
>>> conversion
>>> provided that these books can be played on all players capable of
>>> handling
>>> DTBS.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Greg Kearney" < mailto:gkearney at gmail.com gkearney at gmail.com
>>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" < mailto:dtb-
>>> talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been working with Apple on Daisy playback integrated into the
>>> MacOS and in iPod. There are some issues that will have to be
>>> addressed for the playback of NLS books. As I understand it it comes
>>> down to this:
>>>
>>> NLS books will be encrypted, both the SIML files and the audio
>>> itself. Because the players will only be issued to NLS patrons they
>>> will be able to decrypt the books. The problem with computers is
>>> they
>>> will have to be able to detect that the user of the computer is
>>> somehow an "authorized" NLS patron as opposed to to just a general
>>> user. There are several ways to do this. The NLS could issue a key
>>> file to patrons who request it. this is how the RFBD system is done.
>>> This keyfile could be placed at the root level of the filesystem and
>>> could even expire every year or so. Software could ask for an NLS
>>> password and then check against a database of NLS users on the net.
>>> Books could use some sort of public/private key system like PGP to
>>> verify the user.
>>>
>>> All this said as the author of DTBmaker for Macintosh which does not
>>> make encrypted books and never will, I think the whole business of
>>> encrypting books is a fool's errand. It inconveniences the honest
>>> and
>>> does nothing to deter the criminal. I am willing to wager that
>>> within
>>> 6 months of wide release there will be a means of breaking the
>>> encryption on NLS books. As a result many thousands of dollars of
>>> development funds will have be wasted.
>>>
>>> Further it seems to be a solution looking for a problem. In all the
>>> years that we have had four track tapes which are simple to copy has
>>> there ever been wide speared duplication of NLS books? The reasoning
>>> has always been that you needed a special tape player to play NLS
>>> tapes but those players are widely sold and can be found on ebay
>>> even
>>> NLS issued one:
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270114582419
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270114582419
>>>
>>> Also anyone with good recording equipmetn could make a normal speed
>>> copy playable on any tape player. Finally while the NLS is spending
>>> time and effort encrypting books the publishers themselves are
>>> releasing those same book on CD in unencrypted format. I have been
>>> able to take these recording and produce Daisy recording will but
>>> small effort. If the publishers themselves don't care about
>>> encryption why should the NLS bother with it?
>>>
>>> Greg Kearney
>>> On Apr 27, 2007, at 21:42 , David Andrews wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe that NLS has no plans to do a software player, whether or
>>>> not third parties do one is unknown to me.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 07:29 PM 4/27/2007, you wrote:
>>>>> Hello Dan and listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they going to develop a software player for those who
>>>>> don't
>>>>> have the
>>>>> NLS player when it's made available? It only makes sense to me for
>>>>> them to
>>>>> do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: < mailto:DanFlasar at aol.com DanFlasar at aol.com
>>
>>>>> To: < mailto:dtb-talk at nfbnet.org dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The download project will not be usable by most patrons because
>>>>> you won't
>>>>> be
>>>>> able to play the downloaded books until you get a player. As I
>>>>> currently
>>>>> understand it - there will be 200 players available for home
>>>>> testing
>>>>> sometime
>>>>> early in 2008. By the end of that year, there will be 5000
>>>>> production
>>>>> players sent to the various libraries (avg 100/library). These
>>>>> will be
>>>>> distributed according to the state library affiliate.
>>>>> The digital download site is already up and running for the
>>>>> pilot
>>>>> program (we have modified Victor Readers) but it won't be useful
>>>>> until you
>>>>> can
>>>>> play the books.
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>> Dan F
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ************************************** See what's free at
>>>>> http://www.aol.com http://www.aol.com
> .
>>>>>
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