[Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
Lynn Evans
evans-lynn at comcast.net
Sat Apr 28 21:43:22 CDT 2007
Remember what Abraham Lincoln said:
You can please some of the people some of the time but not all the people
all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
: Peter:
:
: So are you adovcating that NLS not use the most efficient codec it can
: find even if this saves taxpayers' money? I should think not.
:
: Moreover, it is the judgment of many in NFB who have been intimately
: involved with the NLS effort that it is pursuing a wise course. While
: these folks could be wrong, I think we at least owe it to them to make
: ourselves aware of the complexities of the issue before we manifest a
: front of disunity.
:
: Remember what Ben Franklin said: we must all hang together or we'll all
: hang separately.
:
: Mike Freeman
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: Peter Donahue
: To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:11 PM
: Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
:
:
: Hello Jennifer and listers,
:
: I'll be more supportive of the effort to get NLS its appropriation
: provided
: that Congress mandates that NLS and other producers of digital talking
: books
: enable their books to play using any player capable of playing books
: in the
: DAISY Digital Talking Book Format. If other countries are using
: unencrypted
: DTBS without all of the nightmares concerning DRM and encryption
: perhaps the
: U.S. should follow their lead.Had they conversation occurred several
: days
: before you wrote your letter you could have included a suggestion for
: this
: mandate to your congressman. However, its good that you let them know
: that
: the appropriation is needed for the conversion of NLS'S analog to
: digital
: book format to be completed on time.
:
: Peter Donahue
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
: To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:43 PM
: Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
:
:
: If I had known this a few days ago, I wouldn't have emailed my
: representatives about this. I thought I was doing a good thing, but if
: I'm
: going to have to buy a number of different players-I'd rather buy the
: audio
: books in the store.
:
: Jen
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
: To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:54 PM
: Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
:
:
: > Hello again Greg and listers,
: >
: > Perhaps this is one reason why Congress is reluctant to
: appropriate
: > funds for the digital talking book conversion program. Why should we
: ask
: > the
: > taxpayers to fund the creation of an encryption system which will
: be
: > cracked shortly after DTBS become available to NLS patrons? I'm all
: for
: > urging them to give NLS the needed appropriations for the DTB
: conversion
: > provided that these books can be played on all players capable of
: handling
: > DTBS.
: >
: > Peter Donahue
: >
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
: > To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:49 AM
: > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
: >
: >
: > I have been working with Apple on Daisy playback integrated into the
: > MacOS and in iPod. There are some issues that will have to be
: > addressed for the playback of NLS books. As I understand it it comes
: > down to this:
: >
: > NLS books will be encrypted, both the SIML files and the audio
: > itself. Because the players will only be issued to NLS patrons they
: > will be able to decrypt the books. The problem with computers is
: they
: > will have to be able to detect that the user of the computer is
: > somehow an "authorized" NLS patron as opposed to to just a general
: > user. There are several ways to do this. The NLS could issue a key
: > file to patrons who request it. this is how the RFBD system is done.
: > This keyfile could be placed at the root level of the filesystem and
: > could even expire every year or so. Software could ask for an NLS
: > password and then check against a database of NLS users on the net.
: > Books could use some sort of public/private key system like PGP to
: > verify the user.
: >
: > All this said as the author of DTBmaker for Macintosh which does not
: > make encrypted books and never will, I think the whole business of
: > encrypting books is a fool's errand. It inconveniences the honest
: and
: > does nothing to deter the criminal. I am willing to wager that
: within
: > 6 months of wide release there will be a means of breaking the
: > encryption on NLS books. As a result many thousands of dollars of
: > development funds will have be wasted.
: >
: > Further it seems to be a solution looking for a problem. In all the
: > years that we have had four track tapes which are simple to copy has
: > there ever been wide speared duplication of NLS books? The reasoning
: > has always been that you needed a special tape player to play NLS
: > tapes but those players are widely sold and can be found on ebay
: even
: > NLS issued one:
: >
: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270114582419
: >
: > Also anyone with good recording equipmetn could make a normal speed
: > copy playable on any tape player. Finally while the NLS is spending
: > time and effort encrypting books the publishers themselves are
: > releasing those same book on CD in unencrypted format. I have been
: > able to take these recording and produce Daisy recording will but
: > small effort. If the publishers themselves don't care about
: > encryption why should the NLS bother with it?
: >
: > Greg Kearney
: > On Apr 27, 2007, at 21:42 , David Andrews wrote:
: >
: >> I believe that NLS has no plans to do a software player, whether or
: >> not third parties do one is unknown to me.
: >>
: >> Dave
: >>
: >> At 07:29 PM 4/27/2007, you wrote:
: >>> Hello Dan and listers,
: >>>
: >>> Are they going to develop a software player for those who don't
: >>> have the
: >>> NLS player when it's made available? It only makes sense to me for
: >>> them to
: >>> do so.
: >>>
: >>> Peter Donahue
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> ----- Original Message -----
: >>> From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
: >>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
: >>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:11 PM
: >>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> The download project will not be usable by most patrons because
: >>> you won't
: >>> be
: >>> able to play the downloaded books until you get a player. As I
: >>> currently
: >>> understand it - there will be 200 players available for home
: testing
: >>> sometime
: >>> early in 2008. By the end of that year, there will be 5000
: >>> production
: >>> players sent to the various libraries (avg 100/library). These
: >>> will be
: >>> distributed according to the state library affiliate.
: >>> The digital download site is already up and running for the
: >>> pilot
: >>> program (we have modified Victor Readers) but it won't be useful
: >>> until you
: >>> can
: >>> play the books.
: >>> I hope this helps.
: >>> Dan F
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>
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: >>>
: >>>
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