[Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech

Sat Apr 28 16:30:10 CDT 2007

I wonder if the Electronics Frontier group (I think that is
what it is called) is aware of the situation and has any
stand on it.  They are the ones pushing for open
information.

ESS

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:11 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech

Hello Jennifer and listers,

I'll be more supportive of the effort to get NLS its
appropriation provided
that Congress mandates that NLS and other producers of
digital talking books
enable their books to play using any player capable of
playing books in the
DAISY Digital Talking Book Format. If other countries are
using unencrypted
DTBS without all of the nightmares concerning DRM and
encryption perhaps the
U.S. should follow their lead.Had they  conversation
occurred several days
before you wrote your letter you could have included a
suggestion for this
mandate to your congressman. However, its good that you let
them know that
the appropriation is needed for the conversion of NLS'S
analog to digital
book format to be completed on time.

Peter Donahue

  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books"
<dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech

If I had known this a few days ago, I wouldn't have emailed
my
representatives about this. I thought I was doing a good
thing, but if I'm
going to have to buy a number of different players-I'd
rather buy the audio
books in the store.

Jen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books"
<dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech

> Hello again Greg and listers,
>
>    Perhaps this is one reason why Congress is reluctant to
appropriate
> funds for the digital talking book conversion program. Why
should we ask
> the
> taxpayers to fund the creation of an encryption  system
which will be
> cracked shortly after DTBS become available to NLS
patrons? I'm all for
> urging them to give NLS the needed appropriations for the
DTB conversion
> provided that these books can be played on all players
capable of handling
> DTBS.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books"
<dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>
>
> I have been working with Apple on Daisy playback
integrated into the
> MacOS and in iPod. There are some issues that will have to
be
> addressed for the playback of NLS books. As I understand
it it comes
> down to this:
>
> NLS books will be encrypted, both the SIML files and the
audio
> itself. Because the players will only be issued to NLS
patrons they
> will be able to decrypt the books. The problem with
computers is they
> will have to be able to detect that the user of the
computer is
> somehow an "authorized" NLS patron as opposed to to just a
general
> user. There are several ways to do this. The NLS could
issue a key
> file to patrons who request it. this is how the RFBD
system is done.
> This keyfile could be placed at the root level of the
filesystem and
> could even expire every year or so. Software could ask for
an NLS
> password and then check against a database of NLS users on
the net.
> Books could use some sort of public/private key system
like PGP to
> verify the user.
>
> All this said as the author of DTBmaker for Macintosh
which does not
> make encrypted books and never will,  I think the whole
business of
> encrypting books is a fool's errand. It inconveniences the
honest and
> does nothing to deter the criminal. I am willing to wager
that within
> 6 months of wide release there will be a means of breaking
the
> encryption on NLS books. As a result many thousands of
dollars of
> development funds will have be wasted.
>
> Further it seems to be a solution looking for a problem.
In all the
> years that we have had four track tapes which are simple
to copy has
> there ever been wide speared duplication of NLS books? The
reasoning
> has always been that you needed a special tape player to
play NLS
> tapes but those players are widely sold and can be found
on ebay even
> NLS issued one:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270114582
419
>
> Also anyone with good recording equipmetn could make a
normal speed
> copy playable on any tape player. Finally while the NLS is
spending
> time and effort encrypting books the publishers themselves
are
> releasing those same book on CD in unencrypted format. I
have been
> able to take these recording and produce Daisy recording
will but
> small effort. If the publishers themselves don't care
about
> encryption why should the NLS bother with it?
>
> Greg Kearney
> On Apr 27, 2007, at 21:42 , David Andrews wrote:
>
>> I believe that NLS has no plans to do a software player,
whether or
>> not third parties do one is unknown to me.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 07:29 PM 4/27/2007, you wrote:
>>> Hello Dan and listers,
>>>
>>>    Are they going to develop a software player for those
who don't
>>> have the
>>> NLS player when it's made available? It only makes sense
to me for
>>> them to
>>> do so.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>>> To: <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Happenings Speech
>>>
>>>
>>> The download project will not be usable by most patrons
because
>>> you won't
>>> be
>>> able to play the downloaded books until you get a
player.     As I
>>> currently
>>> understand it - there will be 200 players available for
home  testing
>>> sometime
>>> early in 2008.  By the end of that year, there will be
5000
>>> production
>>> players sent to the various libraries (avg 100/library).
These
>>> will be
>>> distributed according to the state library affiliate.
>>>     The digital download site is already up and  running
for the
>>> pilot
>>> program (we have modified Victor Readers) but it won't
be  useful
>>> until you
>>> can
>>> play the books.
>>>       I hope this helps.
>>> Dan F
>>>
>>>
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