From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 00:12:12 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:12:12 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
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Everett,

No, no chemo. I had a lot of antibiotics but no chemo.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Everett Gavel
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"


Hi Bridgit, and all,

I'm not certain at all about the answer to your 
question, Bridgit -- but want to share something 
that happened to a friend regarding almost 
overnight loss of flexibility.

When you had all those problems kick in at once, 
did any of it involve Chemotherapy? Because I know 
1 friend who has (had?) Leukemia and since having 
the chemo, has lost almost all flexibility in his 
Achilles Tendons. He has trouble walking due to 
this. So perhaps that's one possibility for an 
answer, for whatever it's worth.


Strive On,
Everett



-----Original Message-----
> This may or may not be related, but there's
> something I've been
> wondering about for years now.
>
> I use to be extremely limber and flexible. I was
> a dancer for years, and
> even after I stopped, I still retained my 
> flexibility. I've always been
> active and exercised.
>
> After my really bad sickness that caused my
> blindness (viral infection,
> pneumonia and uraceptis) I lost all my 
> flexibility. Like I can barely
> touch my toes or do stretches that once were 
> done with ease.
>
> I had it up until I went into hospital, and by
> the time I came out, it
> was gone. I still exercise, but have had 
> difficulty in getting my
> flexibility back.
>
> Does anyone know why this would have happened
> literally overnight, and
> is it related to this topic, or at least 
> diabetes in general?
>
> Bridgit
>



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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 00:11:01 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:11:01 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
In-Reply-To: <001201ce15f4$2d05ee50$8711caf0$@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP57615798906610A2221629C4FF0@phx.gbl>

Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only focus
on the actual physical part.

And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, so
the spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about
focusing on the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will want
you to focus on the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching any
spiritual element unless it's a specific yoga facility or some
hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a lot
on my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back in
the day, so I just remember a lot, which helps.

I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise
videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very
well may work for blind people.

A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy
for an instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if you
are comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if
necessary. You can also go with a work-out partner so they can describe
positions as you go along.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie Kline
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


Hi All,

 

I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates.
For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?
Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe what
moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go through
a facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and yoga, but I
never did it just because I'm not into the whole philosophical and
meditation aspect of those, (nothing towards that, it's just not my
thing), but if there's something out there that just does the stretching
part, I'm curious as to how you made it work.  I currently use some
walking DVDs, but would like to mix things up a little.

 

Thanks.

Julie

 

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 02:06:15 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:06:15 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP5335A9EC9E1F2BFFB6BAF2C4FF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP5335A9EC9E1F2BFFB6BAF2C4FF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6D2FE57F6A0C4073955867FFECFE0A1B@SandiPC>

Some antibiotics can do a number on one.  Two years ago I already had 
tendinitis, and needed an antibiotic for something else.  The doctor, 
looking for something I could take, prescribed levoquin.  And then I really 
had tendinitis!  It lasted several months!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Everett Gavel'" <everett at everettgavel.com>; "'Diabetes Talk for the 
Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"


> Everett,
>
> No, no chemo. I had a lot of antibiotics but no chemo.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Everett Gavel
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
>
>
> Hi Bridgit, and all,
>
> I'm not certain at all about the answer to your
> question, Bridgit -- but want to share something
> that happened to a friend regarding almost
> overnight loss of flexibility.
>
> When you had all those problems kick in at once,
> did any of it involve Chemotherapy? Because I know
> 1 friend who has (had?) Leukemia and since having
> the chemo, has lost almost all flexibility in his
> Achilles Tendons. He has trouble walking due to
> this. So perhaps that's one possibility for an
> answer, for whatever it's worth.
>
>
> Strive On,
> Everett
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> This may or may not be related, but there's
>> something I've been
>> wondering about for years now.
>>
>> I use to be extremely limber and flexible. I was
>> a dancer for years, and
>> even after I stopped, I still retained my
>> flexibility. I've always been
>> active and exercised.
>>
>> After my really bad sickness that caused my
>> blindness (viral infection,
>> pneumonia and uraceptis) I lost all my
>> flexibility. Like I can barely
>> touch my toes or do stretches that once were
>> done with ease.
>>
>> I had it up until I went into hospital, and by
>> the time I came out, it
>> was gone. I still exercise, but have had
>> difficulty in getting my
>> flexibility back.
>>
>> Does anyone know why this would have happened
>> literally overnight, and
>> is it related to this topic, or at least
>> diabetes in general?
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>
>
>
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 03:33:37 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:33:37 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Just the beginning, I hope (was FW: WIRED)
Message-ID: <005b01ce162d$902e0ec0$b08a2c40$@gmail.com>

 

 

From: Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711) [mailto:robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:06 PM
To: rshelton1 at gmail.com
Subject: FW: WIRED

 

 

 

From: Howell, Scott (HQ-LE050) 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:22 PM
To: Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)
Subject: Fwd: WIRED

 

Check this out.

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Scott Howell 

Date: February 26, 2013 7:44:58 PM EST

To: "Howell, Scott (HQ-LE050)" 

Subject: WIRED

 

 

http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/index/~3/MhLUDmswnLo/

 



Scott Howell

Sent from my iPad

 



From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 04:07:35 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:07:35 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP57615798906610A2221629C4FF0@phx.gbl>
References: <001201ce15f4$2d05ee50$8711caf0$@rochester.rr.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP57615798906610A2221629C4FF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <011801ce1632$4ec40c50$ec4c24f0$@panix.com>

Sounds almost worse than water-boarding to me. (smirk)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only focus
on the actual physical part.

And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, so
the spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about
focusing on the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will want
you to focus on the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching any
spiritual element unless it's a specific yoga facility or some
hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a lot
on my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back in
the day, so I just remember a lot, which helps.

I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise
videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very
well may work for blind people.

A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy
for an instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if you
are comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if
necessary. You can also go with a work-out partner so they can describe
positions as you go along.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie Kline
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


Hi All,

 

I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates.
For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?
Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe what
moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go through
a facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and yoga, but I
never did it just because I'm not into the whole philosophical and
meditation aspect of those, (nothing towards that, it's just not my
thing), but if there's something out there that just does the stretching
part, I'm curious as to how you made it work.  I currently use some
walking DVDs, but would like to mix things up a little.

 

Thanks.

Julie

 

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 04:09:37 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:09:37 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
Message-ID: 15c11971-7c4f-46dc-88f0-ef654c8ccf4b@samobile.net

Hi there,
I have a mat and two CD's to work with on behalf of yoga.
I tried to get into a class where they were advanced.
My dog did everything she asked.
Once on the floor, I can't get up unless I am hanging onto a chair or 
something to help me up.
So I couldn't turn around face the others and get up.
I need to start from the beginning.

Original message:
> Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only focus
> on the actual physical part.

> And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, so
> the spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about
> focusing on the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will want
> you to focus on the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching any
> spiritual element unless it's a specific yoga facility or some
> hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

> I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a lot
> on my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back in
> the day, so I just remember a lot, which helps.

> I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise
> videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very
> well may work for blind people.

> A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy
> for an instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if you
> are comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if
> necessary. You can also go with a work-out partner so they can describe
> positions as you go along.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie Kline
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


> Hi All,



> I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates.
> For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?
> Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe what
> moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go through
> a facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and yoga, but I
> never did it just because I'm not into the whole philosophical and
> meditation aspect of those, (nothing towards that, it's just not my
> thing), but if there's something out there that just does the stretching
> part, I'm curious as to how you made it work.  I currently use some
> walking DVDs, but would like to mix things up a little.



> Thanks.

> Julie



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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 04:21:11 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Just the beginning, I hope (was FW: WIRED)
Message-ID: 1ccf7926-8c63-4435-b24b-7582b038f4d3@samobile.net

Wow I don't have a close friend who would read such tests.
My goodness.

Original message:




> From: Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711) [mailto:robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:06 PM
> To: rshelton1 at gmail.com
> Subject: FW: WIRED







> From: Howell, Scott (HQ-LE050)
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:22 PM
> To: Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)
> Subject: Fwd: WIRED



> Check this out.





> Begin forwarded message:



> From: Scott Howell

> Date: February 26, 2013 7:44:58 PM EST

> To: "Howell, Scott (HQ-LE050)"

> Subject: WIRED





> http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/index/~3/MhLUDmswnLo/





> Scott Howell

> Sent from my iPad



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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 04:30:36 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:30:36 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
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	<30645E8B3344420A9D6C9485A0D95DDE@Lisa>
Message-ID: <012101ce1635$8632b170$92981450$@panix.com>

Hi,Everett.

Yup; it's a fairly common (but easily-fixxed) complication of diabetes (both
Types 1 and 2). The gal of whom I wrote had the operation to fix the problem
under local anesthetic and the surgeon actually asked her to try moving her
finger while he was still working on it. Worked with no problem so he closed
up the incision. I don't even think she experienced much discomfort.

Mike
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Everett Gavel
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:34 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

Hi Mike, and all,

Not to beat a dead horse, but, Mike, you mentioned Trigger Finger. I have
had both my middle fingers operated on to fix that 'locking up' thing when
you make a fist. That was due, supposedly, to calcium deposits building up
on the sheaths that surround our knuckles or whatever the case is. 
Pinching my tendons, causing Trigger Finger. So they cut open the sheath,
which is rather like a napkin ring, I'm told, going around the knuckle. 
They cut it open to allow the tendon to move freely again. Those operations
were about 15 years ago now. Forgot about those, so thanks for the reminder.
;-)


Strive On!
Everett


----- original message ----- 
> I've heard of it. Also knew someone with trigger finger.
> Mike
>
>


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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 04:32:25 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:32:25 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
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	<BLU0-SMTP70D1A5AB8BDD36819AD862C4FE0@phx.gbl>
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Ya got me. I'm not an endo, pathologist or internist. But remember that
diabetics are prone to Vitamin D deficiency and don't think anyone's figured
that one out, either. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues

Going along with this scientific approach, what would cause the loss of
flexibility in well-managed diabetics? Just a hypothetical, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:55 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues


bonna: 

How do we know that such diabetic complications involving calcium as
frozen shoulder and trigger -finger are consequences of insulin use
rather than of diabetes per se? Anecdotal evidence isn't good enough
here. We need long -term, randomized, double -blind studies to make such
determinations. Let's not fall into the trap medical news reporters
often do where generalizations are made on inadequate data. In fact, I
know a Type 2 diabetic who has never taken insulin who had trigger
-finger which was corrected with minor surgery. 

Cheers, 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:40, Bonna Williamson <bwilliamson at redeemer.net>
wrote:

> 
> Hello to All:
> 
> These recent experiences are very interesting. I have been a diabetic 
> for 43 years. I became a diabetic at the age of 5 and now am 53. So, a

> long time. I can remember yes, glass syringes, and lente insulin, 
> urine testing and such. So, today's technology has been terrific so 
> far. I too like many of you have lost my sight from diabetes. I was 
> 25. I am currently working as a School Counselor in a Lutheran School.

> I love what I do but do miss my dance studio from the past when I had 
> sight. I am currently working with a 3 and ? year old that became a 
> diabetic last year. She lives 2 houses down from me. She is a real 
> trooper. She just got her pump, bright blue I tell you how she is a 
> mess. She comments each day that I take care of her for a few hours, 
> giving mom a break, that I am a part of her diabetic team, really 
> cute. She is really learning and it just appears so simple from her 
> world but knowing all of the consequences of high blood sugar and such

> I fear for her future. I never knew or was told about the teeth 
> issues. I have been blessed with good teeth but my husband is a 
> diabetic. He has had many teeth issues but appears to have done better

> of late. I too like many of you do not have the flexiability that I 
> once had. Insulin can cause so many calcium issues you cannot imagine.

> Frozen shoulders, trigger fingers and such are just to name a few. I 
> have had all and more. I do miss the flexibility. In my past life 
> being a dancer and all I really get ticked when I just do not have the

> flexibility to do what I use to be able to. Gastro Paresis is and has 
> been for 23 years my largest problem. Yes, I agree it can and does 
> sneak up on you when you least expect it. By using medications, diet 
> and good blood sugars it appears to stay in its cage for the time 
> being. I too, like many of you would like to see a cure. Not only for 
> the future children and adults but maybe for us as well to slow down 
> the progression of break downs of the body functions.  I have been 
> able to handle the blindness, wish there was more I could do, but for 
> now it is holding its own. The largest area for diabetics that are 
> blind is having medical technology talk. I am not able to read Braille

> do to all of the finger sticks and such but talking pumps would be 
> nice. Maybe Santa Claus will bring one this year, probably not..sigh.

> So, I appreciate all of you and your thoughts. I have enjoyed all the 
> questions and answers. Besides I have learned a lot.  Take care to all

> of you and I look forward to seeing a cure soon for diabetes and maybe

> Santa claus will come through this year.. Bonna Williamson School 
> Counselor Redeemer Lutheran School Austin, Texas
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 04:38:56 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:38:56 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP964AC2CBCBFD768DD605D6C4FE0@phx.gbl>
References: <000201ce1574$81560150$840203f0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP964AC2CBCBFD768DD605D6C4FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012301ce1636$afe468f0$0fad3ad0$@panix.com>

Perhaps the illness aged your body more quickly than would have been the
case without it.

Just a thought.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

This may or may not be related, but there's something I've been
wondering about for years now.

I use to be extremely limber and flexible. I was a dancer for years, and
even after I stopped, I still retained my flexibility. I've always been
active and exercised.

After my really bad sickness that caused my blindness (viral infection,
pneumonia and uraceptis) I lost all my flexibility. Like I can barely
touch my toes or do stretches that once were done with ease.

I had it up until I went into hospital, and by the time I came out, it
was gone. I still exercise, but have had difficulty in getting my
flexibility back.

Does anyone know why this would have happened literally overnight, and
is it related to this topic, or at least diabetes in general?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:29 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"


I too would be interested in what Ann Williams had to say. I've
certainly heard of frozen shoulder though and I gather it's pretty
common. Fortunately I haven't experienced it. But that does mean that
something can go on involving tendans and stuff. 
Man, someone ought to make a teashirt to sell that says something like,
diabetes isn't for the faint of heart! Man oh man! Time to go dance
around my kitchen or something. On second thought, I'll stick to the
daily walk where I can cover more ground. <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Everett Gavel'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

Everett:

With respect, I've never heard of that side-effect.

Be interested in what someone like Ann Williams would have to say about
it.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Everett Gavel
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:48 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

Hi Bridgit, and all,

Bridgit, I don't know, honestly. Never cared to 
research it. But several years ago, docs told me a 
couple things I'd never heard before, and was 
amazed at. Yet both seem true and have pretty much 
been playing themselves out. The first is that 
supposedly insulin builds up calcium deposits on 
your bone joints over time. If that's true, the 
old standby some Diabetics use, saying, if they 
eat more, they'll just take more insulin, etc., 
well, that has an additional consequence now, if 
this is true. And honestly, I would argue for it 
being true rather than against it, as it sure 
seems like what's been hapening over the years. If 
I was to get arrested and put in cuffs, they might 
pull my shoulder, as I can these days barely touch 
my hands together behind my back anymore. Yes, I 
admit, I don't stretch much at all, but never 
really have, and I'm far less flexible than I was 
10-20 years ago -- and I'm only 42, not old yet.

Second thing was that high blood sugar levels 
affect *all* of your body, even your teeth. Now, 
this is simple, common sense I suppose. But it 
never quite hit me, about it affecting my teeth, 
too, y'know? It was just a sort of, "Duh," moment 
for me. ;-)


Strive On!
Everett


----- Original Message ----- 
> Why does insulin affect calcium deposits?
>



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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 04:39:05 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
Message-ID: a06c9804-2ec8-4f3d-889b-2ee7dc2e2165@samobile.net

yes Mike,
Here in Montana we don't get enough sun in the winter months.
Not just myself, where the vitamin d blood work was drawn, where I take 
calcium with d in it.
A request from the doctor.
I do this twice a day.
Now my levels are where they need to be.
I would have never thought of that.
In the summer I have a beautiful tan, Jim burns.
my tan is so that folks invy it.
I don't even sit in the sun for hours. I just take walks.
We do enjoy the patio where in the heat of the day we are in the shade.
I'm glad I learned this about vitamin d.

Original message:
> Ya got me. I'm not an endo, pathologist or internist. But remember that
> diabetics are prone to Vitamin D deficiency and don't think anyone's figured
> that one out, either. (grin)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues

> Going along with this scientific approach, what would cause the loss of
> flexibility in well-managed diabetics? Just a hypothetical, grin.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:55 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues


> bonna:

> How do we know that such diabetic complications involving calcium as
> frozen shoulder and trigger -finger are consequences of insulin use
> rather than of diabetes per se? Anecdotal evidence isn't good enough
> here. We need long -term, randomized, double -blind studies to make such
> determinations. Let's not fall into the trap medical news reporters
> often do where generalizations are made on inadequate data. In fact, I
> know a Type 2 diabetic who has never taken insulin who had trigger
> -finger which was corrected with minor surgery.

> Cheers,

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:40, Bonna Williamson <bwilliamson at redeemer.net>
> wrote:


>> Hello to All:

>> These recent experiences are very interesting. I have been a diabetic
>> for 43 years. I became a diabetic at the age of 5 and now am 53. So, a

>> long time. I can remember yes, glass syringes, and lente insulin,
>> urine testing and such. So, today's technology has been terrific so
>> far. I too like many of you have lost my sight from diabetes. I was
>> 25. I am currently working as a School Counselor in a Lutheran School.

>> I love what I do but do miss my dance studio from the past when I had
>> sight. I am currently working with a 3 and ? year old that became a
>> diabetic last year. She lives 2 houses down from me. She is a real
>> trooper. She just got her pump, bright blue I tell you how she is a
>> mess. She comments each day that I take care of her for a few hours,
>> giving mom a break, that I am a part of her diabetic team, really
>> cute. She is really learning and it just appears so simple from her
>> world but knowing all of the consequences of high blood sugar and such

>> I fear for her future. I never knew or was told about the teeth
>> issues. I have been blessed with good teeth but my husband is a
>> diabetic. He has had many teeth issues but appears to have done better

>> of late. I too like many of you do not have the flexiability that I
>> once had. Insulin can cause so many calcium issues you cannot imagine.

>> Frozen shoulders, trigger fingers and such are just to name a few. I
>> have had all and more. I do miss the flexibility. In my past life
>> being a dancer and all I really get ticked when I just do not have the

>> flexibility to do what I use to be able to. Gastro Paresis is and has
>> been for 23 years my largest problem. Yes, I agree it can and does
>> sneak up on you when you least expect it. By using medications, diet
>> and good blood sugars it appears to stay in its cage for the time
>> being. I too, like many of you would like to see a cure. Not only for
>> the future children and adults but maybe for us as well to slow down
>> the progression of break downs of the body functions.  I have been
>> able to handle the blindness, wish there was more I could do, but for
>> now it is holding its own. The largest area for diabetics that are
>> blind is having medical technology talk. I am not able to read Braille

>> do to all of the finger sticks and such but talking pumps would be
>> nice. Maybe Santa Claus will bring one this year, probably not..sigh.

>> So, I appreciate all of you and your thoughts. I have enjoyed all the
>> questions and answers. Besides I have learned a lot.  Take care to all

>> of you and I look forward to seeing a cure soon for diabetes and maybe

>> Santa claus will come through this year.. Bonna Williamson School
>> Counselor Redeemer Lutheran School Austin, Texas

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 07:07:02 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 01:07:02 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
In-Reply-To: <012301ce1636$afe468f0$0fad3ad0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP266BA5407CCD29CF85F9A1CC4FF0@phx.gbl>

That's probably true since it accelerated the vision loss, neuropathy,
tachycardia, low blood pressure and gastroparesis. No one has every
stated it this way but it makes sense. In the past nine years, I've
gotten my health and diabetes back into control, and am healthy for my
age. I eat very healthy and exercise, which helps I'm sure, but these
side affects aren't exactly things that go away. The loss of flexibility
would make sense if my body experienced a rapid ageing process for a
short time. At the time, I also had an abscess on my heart and kidney
and an enlarged liver, but these problems resolved themselves. In fact,
I've had a couple of Echo cardiograms done, and they come back clean and
healthy. In fact, before I was *allowed* to become pregnant, I had to
have an Echo, and they were impressed with how long I was able to go on
the treadmill and how fast I went especially since I was able to still
talk without panting, grin. Then again, they typically test much older
patients, smile. Anyway, it's just been weird to see how some things
resolved and others never have. Ultimately though, the ageing process
didn't last or remain the same. It was such a bizarre situation. They
had no idea what the viral infection was or what caused it. They
couldn't identify it. It was such a set of odd circumstances that led up
to it starting with a hospitalization for DKA then what was initially
diagnosed as the flu to finally a raging infection and the other issues
I've stated before. This all happened in a four week time span and
lasted about three months. It took a year to fully recover. The
flexibility has been really difficult to retrieve.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:39 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"


Perhaps the illness aged your body more quickly than would have been the
case without it.

Just a thought.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

This may or may not be related, but there's something I've been
wondering about for years now.

I use to be extremely limber and flexible. I was a dancer for years, and
even after I stopped, I still retained my flexibility. I've always been
active and exercised.

After my really bad sickness that caused my blindness (viral infection,
pneumonia and uraceptis) I lost all my flexibility. Like I can barely
touch my toes or do stretches that once were done with ease.

I had it up until I went into hospital, and by the time I came out, it
was gone. I still exercise, but have had difficulty in getting my
flexibility back.

Does anyone know why this would have happened literally overnight, and
is it related to this topic, or at least diabetes in general?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:29 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"


I too would be interested in what Ann Williams had to say. I've
certainly heard of frozen shoulder though and I gather it's pretty
common. Fortunately I haven't experienced it. But that does mean that
something can go on involving tendans and stuff. 
Man, someone ought to make a teashirt to sell that says something like,
diabetes isn't for the faint of heart! Man oh man! Time to go dance
around my kitchen or something. On second thought, I'll stick to the
daily walk where I can cover more ground. <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Everett Gavel'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

Everett:

With respect, I've never heard of that side-effect.

Be interested in what someone like Ann Williams would have to say about
it.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Everett Gavel
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:48 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"

Hi Bridgit, and all,

Bridgit, I don't know, honestly. Never cared to 
research it. But several years ago, docs told me a 
couple things I'd never heard before, and was 
amazed at. Yet both seem true and have pretty much 
been playing themselves out. The first is that 
supposedly insulin builds up calcium deposits on 
your bone joints over time. If that's true, the 
old standby some Diabetics use, saying, if they 
eat more, they'll just take more insulin, etc., 
well, that has an additional consequence now, if 
this is true. And honestly, I would argue for it 
being true rather than against it, as it sure 
seems like what's been hapening over the years. If 
I was to get arrested and put in cuffs, they might 
pull my shoulder, as I can these days barely touch 
my hands together behind my back anymore. Yes, I 
admit, I don't stretch much at all, but never 
really have, and I'm far less flexible than I was 
10-20 years ago -- and I'm only 42, not old yet.

Second thing was that high blood sugar levels 
affect *all* of your body, even your teeth. Now, 
this is simple, common sense I suppose. But it 
never quite hit me, about it affecting my teeth, 
too, y'know? It was just a sort of, "Duh," moment 
for me. ;-)


Strive On!
Everett


----- Original Message ----- 
> Why does insulin affect calcium deposits?
>



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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 09:52:18 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 04:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
Message-ID: f14b9947-1908-4f7e-a297-bf8646601d14@samobile.net

I have a friend who watched an interview with the late Dick Clark, 
himself a diabetic, and he apparently said that if you're a diabetic, 
consider yourself ten years older than your chronological age. that 
would mean that instead of turning sixty-six this month, I should 
consider myself seventy-six. Not sure I like the sound of that.
Linda.



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 09:54:43 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 04:54:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
Message-ID: a4809239-b1bb-41d3-af34-1382431b900b@samobile.net

I take a weekly vitamin d suppliment, as I find those huge calcium with 
d capsules hard to swallow. I do have a pill cutter, but prefer this 
other arrangement.
Linda.



From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 10:47:18 2013
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 05:47:18 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS108140EA2834CB16CCC08EBA1FF0@phx.gbl>

Well there is the alternative and I dont like that one

limestone lady <limestonelady at samobile.net> wrote:

I have a friend who watched an interview with the late Dick Clark,
himself a diabetic, and he apparently said that if you're a diabetic,
consider yourself ten years older than your chronological age. that
would mean that instead of turning sixty-six this month, I should
consider myself seventy-six. Not sure I like the sound of that.
Linda.

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From deniserob at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 11:04:50 2013
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Denise Robinson)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 06:04:50 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS108140EA2834CB16CCC08EBA1FF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU403-EAS108140EA2834CB16CCC08EBA1FF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BFAB1D34-7931-4669-B195-CD335DF71DA8@gmail.com>

If u don't take care of yourself...maybe, but Dick Clark looked like he was 20 most of his life and had more energy than most, 

Denise M Robinson
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:47 AM, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well there is the alternative and I dont like that one
> 
> limestone lady <limestonelady at samobile.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a friend who watched an interview with the late Dick Clark,
> himself a diabetic, and he apparently said that if you're a diabetic,
> consider yourself ten years older than your chronological age. that
> would mean that instead of turning sixty-six this month, I should
> consider myself seventy-six. Not sure I like the sound of that.
> Linda.
> 
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From n8tnv at att.net  Fri Mar  1 13:42:45 2013
From: n8tnv at att.net (COLLEEN ROTH)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
Message-ID: <20130301134245.n8tnv@att.net>

Hi
I take Vitamin D with Calcium twice a day too.
There are people who have low Vitamin D Levels who are not Diabetic.
You just don't get enough Vitamin D from food.
Colleen Roth



----- Original Message -----
From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues

>
>
> yes Mike,
> Here in Montana we don't get enough sun in the winter months.
> Not just myself, where the vitamin d blood work was drawn, where I take 
> calcium with d in it.
> A request from the doctor.
> I do this twice a day.
> Now my levels are where they need to be.
> I would have never thought of that.
> In the summer I have a beautiful tan, Jim burns.
> my tan is so that folks invy it.
> I don't even sit in the sun for hours. I just take walks.
> We do enjoy the patio where in the heat of the day we are in the shade.
> I'm glad I learned this about vitamin do.
> 
> Original message:
> > Ya got me. I'm not an endo, pathologist or internist. But remember that
> > diabetics are prone to Vitamin D deficiency and don't think anyone's figured
> > that one out, either. (grin)
> 
> > Mike
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Bridgit Pollpeter
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:04 PM
> > To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
> 
> > Going along with this scientific approach, what would cause the loss of
> > flexibility in well-managed diabetics? Just a hypothetical, grin.
> 
> > Bridgit
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Mike Freeman
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:55 PM
> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
> 
> 
> > bonna:
> 
> > How do we know that such diabetic complications involving calcium as
> > frozen shoulder and trigger comfinger are consequences of insulin use
> > rather than of diabetes per se? Anecdotal evidence isn't good enough
> > here. We need long comterm, randomized, double comblind studies to make such
> > determinations. Let's not fall into the trap medical news reporters
> > often do where generalizations are made on inadequate data. In fact, I
> > know a Type 2 diabetic who has never taken insulin who had trigger
> > comfinger which was corrected with minor surgery.
> 
> > Cheers,
> 
> > Mike Freeman
> > sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:40, Bonna Williamson <bwilliamson at redeemer.net>
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> >> Hello to All:
> 
> >> These recent experiences are very interesting. I have been a diabetic
> >> for 43 years. I became a diabetic at the age of 5 and now am 53. So, a
> 
> >> long time. I can remember yes, glass syringes, and lente insulin,
> >> urine testing and such. So, today's technology has been terrific so
> >> far. I too like many of you have lost my sight from diabetes. I was
> >> 25. I am currently working as a School Counselor in a Lutheran School.
> 
> >> I love what I do but do miss my dance studio from the past when I had
> >> sight. I am currently working with a 3 and 1/2 year old that became a
> >> diabetic last year. She lives 2 houses down from me. She is a real
> >> trooper. She just got her pump, bright blue I tell you how she is a
> >> mess. She comments each day that I take care of her for a few hours,
> >> giving mom a break, that I am a part of her diabetic team, really
> >> cute. She is really learning and it just appears so simple from her
> >> world but knowing all of the consequences of high blood sugar and such
> 
> >> I fear for her future. I never knew or was told about the teeth
> >> issues. I have been blessed with good teeth but my husband is a
> >> diabetic. He has had many teeth issues but appears to have done better
> 
> >> of late. I too like many of you do not have the flexiability that I
> >> once had. Insulin can cause so many calcium issues you cannot imagine.
> 
> >> Frozen shoulders, trigger fingers and such are just to name a few. I
> >> have had all and more. I do miss the flexibility. In my past life
> >> being a dancer and all I really get ticked when I just do not have the
> 
> >> flexibility to do what I use to be able to. Gastro Paresis is and has
> >> been for 23 years my largest problem. Yes, I agree it can and does
> >> sneak up on you when you least expect it. By using medications, diet
> >> and good blood sugars it appears to stay in its cage for the time
> >> being. I too, like many of you would like to see a cure. Not only for
> >> the future children and adults but maybe for us as well to slow down
> >> the progression of break downs of the body functions.  I have been
> >> able to handle the blindness, wish there was more I could do, but for
> >> now it is holding its own. The largest area for diabetics that are
> >> blind is having medical technology talk. I am not able to read Braille
> 
> >> do to all of the finger sticks and such but talking pumps would be
> >> nice. Maybe Santa Claus will bring one this year, probably n.lessigh.
> 
> >> So, I appreciate all of you and your thoughts. I have enjoyed all the
> >> questions and answers. Besides I have learned a lot.  Take care to all
> 
> >> of you and I look forward to seeing a cure soon for diabetes and maybe
> 
> >> Santa claus will come through this year.. Bonna Williamson School
> >> Counselor Redeemer Lutheran School Austin, Texas
> 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 14:44:34 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:44:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
Message-ID: 4f0492d7-040e-4308-9001-5d66cdb86879@samobile.net

Wow I don't agree with that.
I feel so much better taking care of myself now than I did 9 years ago 
when I learned I am a diabetic.
Interesting though.

Original message:
> I have a friend who watched an interview with the late Dick Clark,
> himself a diabetic, and he apparently said that if you're a diabetic,
> consider yourself ten years older than your chronological age. that
> would mean that instead of turning sixty-six this month, I should
> consider myself seventy-six. Not sure I like the sound of that.
> Linda.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:40:34 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:40:34 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues
In-Reply-To: <51307afd.09752b0a.132e.2372SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <51307afd.09752b0a.132e.2372SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D359024E448742CE97DFF315DC90D364@SandiPC>

Not endorsing a product, but CitriCal does make Petites.  You have to take 
more pills, but they are slightly coated and easy to swallow.  Everything 
else is huge!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
To: <dmgina at samobile.net>
Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues


>I take a weekly vitamin d suppliment, as I find those huge calcium with d 
>capsules hard to swallow. I do have a pill cutter, but prefer this other 
>arrangement.
> Linda.
>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 15:41:16 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 10:41:16 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 0439bbf1-25b7-4f75-a0e7-e75d37bc140b@samobile.net

I wonder if this is true.

Amazing frozen lemon

All it is.....is a frozen lemon

Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming 
the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
How can you use the whole lemon without waste?

Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator. 
Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon 
(no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.

Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup, 
noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.

All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste,
something that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only 
think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.

Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in 
instant cup noodles.

What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than 
preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?

Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more 
vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been wasting.

But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the 
whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all 
of those nutrients and get even healthier.

It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating 
toxic elements in the body.

So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal 
every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live 
healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER! 
The surprising benefits of lemon!
Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 
10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.

Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories 
interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge profits.

You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon 
juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant 
and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.

How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so 
as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large corporations?

As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and limes.

You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice 
press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with 
many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on 
cysts and tumors.

This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it 
is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an 
anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, 
effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood 
pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and 
nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it 
comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says 
that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts 
revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including 
colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product 
Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing 
the growth of cancer cells.

And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon 
extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect 
healthy cells.

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From Blindhands at aol.com  Fri Mar  1 15:50:57 2013
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:50:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues Dental Clinic
Message-ID: <33f8.11b8b4d4.3e622860@aol.com>

How and where do you find a dental clinic?
 
I have heard of only a couple in Connecticut and it has been on the news  
after they had it.  Nothing in my area, too.
 
Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
Blindhands at AOL.com   

 
In a message dated 2/28/2013 3:20:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dmgina at samobile.net writes:

You  know, if you go to the middle person not a dentist you can get a 
better  deal.
A denture clinic.
My bottom plate split in half, sixty dollars to  get it fixed.
the dentures I have paying less than you do with a  dentist.

Original message:
> Yes I have had a lot of probloems  with the teeth and gum disease too.   
Due
> to loosing the  molars so long ago I have been recently told by more then 
1
> dentist  now that since I don't have or had false teeth in the back, I am
> not  a  candidate to have full dentures on the top as not enough gum or  
ridge
> area is  left to hold them in there.

> I had lots  of bridge work done on the bottom and they have put their time
> in  there 25 years now.

> While I had dental insurance I kep things up  and now that dental work 
costs
>  so much I can't see  refinancing  my house for $16 thousand to have my
> teeth   done over.  I will keep going with what I have and hope the  
bridgework
> last  longer.

> Joyce  Kane
>  _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>  Blindhands at AOL.com


> In a message dated 2/28/2013 1:42:34 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time,
> bwilliamson at redeemer.net  writes:


> Hello to All:

> These recent experiences are  very  interesting. I have been a diabetic 
for
> 43 years. I became  a diabetic at the  age of 5 and now am 53. So, a long
> time. I can  remember yes, glass syringes,  and lente insulin, urine 
testing  and
> such. So, today's technology has been  terrific so far. I too  like many 
of
> you have lost my sight from diabetes. I  was 25. I  am currently working 
as a
> School Counselor in a Lutheran School.  I  love what I do but do miss my
> dance studio from the past when  I had sight. I  am currently working 
with a 3
> and ? year old that  became a diabetic last year.  She lives 2 houses down
> from me.  She is a real trooper. She just got her pump,  bright blue I 
tell  you
> how she is a mess. She comments each day that I take  care of  her for a 
few
> hours, giving mom a break, that I am a part of her   diabetic team, really
> cute. She is really learning and it just appears  so  simple from her 
world but
> knowing all of the consequences of  high blood sugar  and such I fear for
> her future. I never knew or  was told about the teeth  issues. I have been
> blessed with good  teeth but my husband is a diabetic. He  has had many 
teeth
> issues  but appears to have done better of late. I too like  many of you 
do  not
> have the flexiability that I once had. Insulin can cause so   many calcium
> issues you cannot imagine. Frozen shoulders, trigger  fingers and  such 
are
> just to name a few. I have had all and  more. I do miss the  flexibility. 
In my
> past life being a dancer  and all I really get ticked when I  just do not
> have the  flexibility to do what I use to be able to. Gastro  Paresis is 
and  has
> been for 23 years my largest problem. Yes, I agree it can   and does sneak
> up on you when you least expect it. By using  medications, diet  and good
> blood sugars it appears to stay in  its cage for the time being.
> I  too, like many of you would like  to see a cure. Not only for the 
future
> children and adults but maybe  for us as well to slow down the progression
> of  break downs of  the body functions.  I have been able to handle the
> blindness,  wish there was more I could do, but for now it is holding its 
own.
> The  largest area for diabetics that are blind is having medical 
technology
>  talk. I am not able to read Braille do to all of the finger sticks and  
such
> but talking pumps would be nice. Maybe Santa Claus will bring one  this 
year,
> probably not..sigh.  So, I appreciate all of you and  your thoughts. I  
have
> enjoyed all the questions and answers.  Besides I have learned a  lot.  
Take
> care to all of you and  I look forward to seeing a cure soon  for diabetes
> and maybe  Santa claus will come through this year..
> Bonna   Williamson
> School Counselor
> Redeemer Lutheran School
>  Austin,  Texas

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:51:00 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:51:00 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
In-Reply-To: <BFAB1D34-7931-4669-B195-CD335DF71DA8@gmail.com>
References: <BLU403-EAS108140EA2834CB16CCC08EBA1FF0@phx.gbl>
	<BFAB1D34-7931-4669-B195-CD335DF71DA8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA4DD1B679744BD29405E053639154F9@SandiPC>

And lived to a rather nice old age, too!  It definitely pays to pay 
attention and take care of yourself!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denise Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"


> If u don't take care of yourself...maybe, but Dick Clark looked like he 
> was 20 most of his life and had more energy than most,
>
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:47 AM, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Well there is the alternative and I dont like that one
>>
>> limestone lady <limestonelady at samobile.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have a friend who watched an interview with the late Dick Clark,
>> himself a diabetic, and he apparently said that if you're a diabetic,
>> consider yourself ten years older than your chronological age. that
>> would mean that instead of turning sixty-six this month, I should
>> consider myself seventy-six. Not sure I like the sound of that.
>> Linda.
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 15:51:54 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:51:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 0439bbf1-25b7-4f75-a0e7-e75d37bc140b@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP17623A4B98843497885858FC4FF0@phx.gbl>

I'm always one for an alternative treatment other than synthetic
medication, but one of the reasons people don't just consume lemons in
order to act as a health preventative is that, even if grating over all
your food, it would still take massive amounts of lemon to do what a
single pill or treatment can do. Not a reason against it, but we do need
to be aware of just how much lemon consumption is required to truly have
any effect.

This is why most synthetic drugs are used to supplement like vitamin C,
D and B and others because a person would have to eat large quantities,
in some cases, more than a single person can even eat in a day, just to
have the necessary affect.

And too much lemon on food has a definite flavor, which isn't always a
great mix depending on the food, grin.

I'd be interested to know where you got your sources from here.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:41 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I wonder if this is true.

Amazing frozen lemon

All it is.....is a frozen lemon

Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming 
the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
How can you use the whole lemon without waste?

Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator. 
Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon 
(no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.

Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup, 
noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.

All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste, something
that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only 
think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.

Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in 
instant cup noodles.

What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than 
preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?

Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more 
vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been
wasting.

But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the 
whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all 
of those nutrients and get even healthier.

It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating 
toxic elements in the body.

So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal 
every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live 
healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER! 
The surprising benefits of lemon!
Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 
10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.

Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories 
interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge
profits.

You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon 
juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant 
and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.

How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so 
as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large
corporations?

As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and
limes.

You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice 
press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with 
many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on 
cysts and tumors.

This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it 
is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an 
anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, 
effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood 
pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and 
nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it 
comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says 
that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts 
revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including 
colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product 
Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing 
the growth of cancer cells.

And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon 
extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect 
healthy cells.

-- 
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  FB: dmgina
www.twitter.com/dmgina
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From julie.kline at rochester.rr.com  Fri Mar  1 15:53:12 2013
From: julie.kline at rochester.rr.com (Julie Kline)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:53:12 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
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Try doing your first ever 3 mile indoor walk using a DVD and then let me
know which is worse, the way you feel after the walking or water-boarding.
I did it earlier this week and when I was done, I was like asking myself,
Are you trying to kill me?  But I knew it was time for me to go to the next
level, and have done two 3-mile walks twice now over two consecutive days.
Not bad considering my first time I did the program back in the beginning of
February, I could barely make a mile.  The second 3-mile walk wasn't nearly
as exhausting or as bad as the first.
Oh well, such are things when you pick up a new exercise program.  My goal
is to get to 4 miles each day 6 days a week.  We'll see when that happens.
Julie


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:08 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

Sounds almost worse than water-boarding to me. (smirk)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only focus on
the actual physical part.

And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, so the
spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about focusing on
the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will want you to focus on
the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching any spiritual element
unless it's a specific yoga facility or some hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a lot on
my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back in the day,
so I just remember a lot, which helps.

I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise
videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very well
may work for blind people.

A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy for an
instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if you are
comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if necessary. You
can also go with a work-out partner so they can describe positions as you go
along.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Julie Kline
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


Hi All,

 

I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates.
For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?
Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe what
moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go through a
facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and yoga, but I never
did it just because I'm not into the whole philosophical and meditation
aspect of those, (nothing towards that, it's just not my thing), but if
there's something out there that just does the stretching part, I'm curious
as to how you made it work.  I currently use some walking DVDs, but would
like to mix things up a little.

 

Thanks.

Julie

 

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 16:03:55 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes and the long term issues Dental Clinic
Message-ID: 4356805e-8282-41b0-843d-7fbe461c74e3@samobile.net

I don't know if they are in the yellow pages or not, I would call one 
and see where the closest one is to you.
I learned about this threw a cab driver.

Original message:
> How and where do you find a dental clinic?

> I have heard of only a couple in Connecticut and it has been on the news
> after they had it.  Nothing in my area, too.

> Joyce  Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com


> In a message dated 2/28/2013 3:20:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> dmgina at samobile.net writes:

> You  know, if you go to the middle person not a dentist you can get a
> better  deal.
> A denture clinic.
> My bottom plate split in half, sixty dollars to  get it fixed.
> the dentures I have paying less than you do with a  dentist.

> Original message:
>> Yes I have had a lot of probloems  with the teeth and gum disease too.
> Due
>> to loosing the  molars so long ago I have been recently told by more then
> 1
>> dentist  now that since I don't have or had false teeth in the back, I am
>> not  a  candidate to have full dentures on the top as not enough gum or
> ridge
>> area is  left to hold them in there.

>> I had lots  of bridge work done on the bottom and they have put their time
>> in  there 25 years now.

>> While I had dental insurance I kep things up  and now that dental work
> costs
>>  so much I can't see  refinancing  my house for $16 thousand to have my
>> teeth   done over.  I will keep going with what I have and hope the
> bridgework
>> last  longer.

>> Joyce  Kane
>>  _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>  Blindhands at AOL.com


>> In a message dated 2/28/2013 1:42:34 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time,
>> bwilliamson at redeemer.net  writes:


>> Hello to All:

>> These recent experiences are  very  interesting. I have been a diabetic
> for
>> 43 years. I became  a diabetic at the  age of 5 and now am 53. So, a long
>> time. I can  remember yes, glass syringes,  and lente insulin, urine
> testing  and
>> such. So, today's technology has been  terrific so far. I too  like many
> of
>> you have lost my sight from diabetes. I  was 25. I  am currently working
> as a
>> School Counselor in a Lutheran School.  I  love what I do but do miss my
>> dance studio from the past when  I had sight. I  am currently working
> with a 3
>> and ? year old that  became a diabetic last year.  She lives 2 houses down
>> from me.  She is a real trooper. She just got her pump,  bright blue I
> tell  you
>> how she is a mess. She comments each day that I take  care of  her for a
> few
>> hours, giving mom a break, that I am a part of her   diabetic team, really
>> cute. She is really learning and it just appears  so  simple from her
> world but
>> knowing all of the consequences of  high blood sugar  and such I fear for
>> her future. I never knew or  was told about the teeth  issues. I have been
>> blessed with good  teeth but my husband is a diabetic. He  has had many
> teeth
>> issues  but appears to have done better of late. I too like  many of you
> do  not
>> have the flexiability that I once had. Insulin can cause so   many calcium
>> issues you cannot imagine. Frozen shoulders, trigger  fingers and  such
> are
>> just to name a few. I have had all and  more. I do miss the  flexibility.
> In my
>> past life being a dancer  and all I really get ticked when I  just do not
>> have the  flexibility to do what I use to be able to. Gastro  Paresis is
> and  has
>> been for 23 years my largest problem. Yes, I agree it can   and does sneak
>> up on you when you least expect it. By using  medications, diet  and good
>> blood sugars it appears to stay in  its cage for the time being.
>> I  too, like many of you would like  to see a cure. Not only for the
> future
>> children and adults but maybe  for us as well to slow down the progression
>> of  break downs of  the body functions.  I have been able to handle the
>> blindness,  wish there was more I could do, but for now it is holding its
> own.
>> The  largest area for diabetics that are blind is having medical
> technology
>>  talk. I am not able to read Braille do to all of the finger sticks and
> such
>> but talking pumps would be nice. Maybe Santa Claus will bring one  this
> year,
>> probably not..sigh.  So, I appreciate all of you and  your thoughts. I
> have
>> enjoyed all the questions and answers.  Besides I have learned a  lot.
> Take
>> care to all of you and  I look forward to seeing a cure soon  for diabetes
>> and maybe  Santa claus will come through this year..
>> Bonna   Williamson
>> School Counselor
>> Redeemer Lutheran School
>>  Austin,  Texas

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 16:06:30 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: ff214346-151f-4059-a28a-0db5aa0be4ef@samobile.net

I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more 
than I can share.
I get more done during the day.
yes I wouldn't want the whole lemon on my food, where if you did this 
daily it would build up wouldn't it?
Grade a lemon or a couple keeping it in a bowl and adding to meals if you wish?

Original message:
> I'm always one for an alternative treatment other than synthetic
> medication, but one of the reasons people don't just consume lemons in
> order to act as a health preventative is that, even if grating over all
> your food, it would still take massive amounts of lemon to do what a
> single pill or treatment can do. Not a reason against it, but we do need
> to be aware of just how much lemon consumption is required to truly have
> any effect.

> This is why most synthetic drugs are used to supplement like vitamin C,
> D and B and others because a person would have to eat large quantities,
> in some cases, more than a single person can even eat in a day, just to
> have the necessary affect.

> And too much lemon on food has a definite flavor, which isn't always a
> great mix depending on the food, grin.

> I'd be interested to know where you got your sources from here.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I wonder if this is true.

> Amazing frozen lemon

> All it is.....is a frozen lemon

> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming
> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
> How can you use the whole lemon without waste?

> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator.
> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon
> (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.

> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup,
> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.

> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste, something
> that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only
> think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.

> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in
> instant cup noodles.

> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than
> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?

> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more
> vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been
> wasting.

> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the
> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all
> of those nutrients and get even healthier.

> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating
> toxic elements in the body.

> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal
> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live
> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER!
> The surprising benefits of lemon!
> Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is
> 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.

> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories
> interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge
> profits.

> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon
> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant
> and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.

> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so
> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large
> corporations?

> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and
> limes.

> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice
> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with
> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on
> cysts and tumors.

> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it
> is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an
> anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi,
> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood
> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and
> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it
> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says
> that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts
> revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including
> colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
> The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product
> Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing
> the growth of cancer cells.

> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon
> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect
> healthy cells.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 16:07:47 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:07:47 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
Message-ID: 99881772-c177-4ba7-87ac-21522773b855@samobile.net

Oh my gosh glad you can walk that long.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> Try doing your first ever 3 mile indoor walk using a DVD and then let me
> know which is worse, the way you feel after the walking or water-boarding.
> I did it earlier this week and when I was done, I was like asking myself,
> Are you trying to kill me?  But I knew it was time for me to go to the next
> level, and have done two 3-mile walks twice now over two consecutive days.
> Not bad considering my first time I did the program back in the beginning of
> February, I could barely make a mile.  The second 3-mile walk wasn't nearly
> as exhausting or as bad as the first.
> Oh well, such are things when you pick up a new exercise program.  My goal
> is to get to 4 miles each day 6 days a week.  We'll see when that happens.
> Julie


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:08 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

> Sounds almost worse than water-boarding to me. (smirk)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

> Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only focus on
> the actual physical part.

> And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, so the
> spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about focusing on
> the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will want you to focus on
> the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching any spiritual element
> unless it's a specific yoga facility or some hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

> I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a lot on
> my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back in the day,
> so I just remember a lot, which helps.

> I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise
> videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very well
> may work for blind people.

> A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy for an
> instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if you are
> comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if necessary. You
> can also go with a work-out partner so they can describe positions as you go
> along.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Julie Kline
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


> Hi All,



> I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates.
> For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?
> Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe what
> moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go through a
> facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and yoga, but I never
> did it just because I'm not into the whole philosophical and meditation
> aspect of those, (nothing towards that, it's just not my thing), but if
> there's something out there that just does the stretching part, I'm curious
> as to how you made it work.  I currently use some walking DVDs, but would
> like to mix things up a little.



> Thanks.

> Julie



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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 16:58:25 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:58:25 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
In-Reply-To: <001d01ce1694$e14995b0$a3dcc110$@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1667B1E1C1688C71C9AE724C4FF0@phx.gbl>

Once you push that wall, exercise actually can be euphoric. The initial
thought of exercising especially if tired or having low energy can be
just exhausting to even think about, but once you start and get into a
good routine, the way you feel is better than how you feel without
exercise.

Also, it's good to mix up exercise routines so the body doesn't adjust
to one thing. After prolonged types of physical movement, the body stops
responding. It's good to mix it up so the body doesn't settle into one
method. You're essentially tricking your body, grin.

Depending on how many days a week you exercise, do walking one day, jump
rope another, treadmill another, etc. Of course, this will all be based
on what is available to you.

At home there are several things you can do for cardio that don't
require videos, equipment or money like walking or jogging, dancing and
simple toning exercises and much much more.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie Kline
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


Try doing your first ever 3 mile indoor walk using a DVD and then let me
know which is worse, the way you feel after the walking or
water-boarding. I did it earlier this week and when I was done, I was
like asking myself, Are you trying to kill me?  But I knew it was time
for me to go to the next level, and have done two 3-mile walks twice now
over two consecutive days. Not bad considering my first time I did the
program back in the beginning of February, I could barely make a mile.
The second 3-mile walk wasn't nearly as exhausting or as bad as the
first. Oh well, such are things when you pick up a new exercise program.
My goal is to get to 4 miles each day 6 days a week.  We'll see when
that happens. Julie


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:08 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

Sounds almost worse than water-boarding to me. (smirk)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?

Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only focus
on the actual physical part.

And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, so
the spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about
focusing on the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will want
you to focus on the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching any
spiritual element unless it's a specific yoga facility or some
hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a lot
on my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back in
the day, so I just remember a lot, which helps.

I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise
videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very
well may work for blind people.

A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy
for an instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if you
are comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if
necessary. You can also go with a work-out partner so they can describe
positions as you go along.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie Kline
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


Hi All,

 

I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates.
For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?
Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe what
moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go through
a facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and yoga, but I
never did it just because I'm not into the whole philosophical and
meditation aspect of those, (nothing towards that, it's just not my
thing), but if there's something out there that just does the stretching
part, I'm curious as to how you made it work.  I currently use some
walking DVDs, but would like to mix things up a little.

 

Thanks.

Julie

 

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 16:59:39 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:59:39 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?
In-Reply-To: 99881772-c177-4ba7-87ac-21522773b855@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1089C625F2922DC3006DA29C4FF0@phx.gbl>

You'd actually be surprised how much you walk in a day; it's just
usually not done at one time or done at a quick pace, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:08 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


Oh my gosh glad you can walk that long.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> Try doing your first ever 3 mile indoor walk using a DVD and then let 
> me know which is worse, the way you feel after the walking or 
> water-boarding. I did it earlier this week and when I was done, I was 
> like asking myself, Are you trying to kill me?  But I knew it was time

> for me to go to the next level, and have done two 3-mile walks twice 
> now over two consecutive days. Not bad considering my first time I did

> the program back in the beginning of February, I could barely make a 
> mile.  The second 3-mile walk wasn't nearly as exhausting or as bad as

> the first. Oh well, such are things when you pick up a new exercise 
> program.  My goal is to get to 4 miles each day 6 days a week.  We'll 
> see when that happens. Julie


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:08 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or 
> yoga?

> Sounds almost worse than water-boarding to me. (smirk)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or 
> yoga?

> Only yoga has the philosophical element, but most modern gyms only 
> focus on the actual physical part.

> And these types of stretching work heavily with breathing techniques, 
> so the spiritual side kind of goes hand-in-hand, but it's really about

> focusing on the breathing and position. As I said, modern gyms will 
> want you to focus on the breathing, but I doubt they will be teaching 
> any spiritual element unless it's a specific yoga facility or some 
> hippy-dippy instructor, grin.

> I was doing Pilates and yoga long before I lost my sight, so I do a 
> lot on my own without help. I was a dancer and fitness instructor back

> in the day, so I just remember a lot, which helps.

> I'm not aware of described videos, but in my experience, most exercise

> videos describe movements as the instructor goes along, so they very 
> well may work for blind people.

> A yoga or Pilates class shouldn't be a problem at all. It's very easy 
> for an instructor to describe each position as you go along, and if 
> you are comfortable, they can even help place you in a position if 
> necessary. You can also go with a work-out partner so they can 
> describe positions as you go along.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Julie Kline
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] information wanted for Pilates and/or yoga?


> Hi All,



> I had read in a recent message from Bridget that you've done Pilates. 
> For people who have done these, I'm just curious, how do you do these?

> Are there DVDs available that you use where they verbally describe 
> what moves they are doing and you can follow along safely?  Do you go 
> through a facility?  The place I go to offers classes in Pilates and 
> yoga, but I never did it just because I'm not into the whole 
> philosophical and meditation aspect of those, (nothing towards that, 
> it's just not my thing), but if there's something out there that just 
> does the stretching part, I'm curious as to how you made it work.  I 
> currently use some walking DVDs, but would like to mix things up a 
> little.



> Thanks.

> Julie



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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 17:02:38 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:02:38 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: ff214346-151f-4059-a28a-0db5aa0be4ef@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP17130189CD839ACC1C236C1C4FF0@phx.gbl>

I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more 
than I can share.
I get more done during the day.
yes I wouldn't want the whole lemon on my food, where if you did this 
daily it would build up wouldn't it?
Grade a lemon or a couple keeping it in a bowl and adding to meals if
you wish?

Original message:
> I'm always one for an alternative treatment other than synthetic 
> medication, but one of the reasons people don't just consume lemons in

> order to act as a health preventative is that, even if grating over 
> all your food, it would still take massive amounts of lemon to do what

> a single pill or treatment can do. Not a reason against it, but we do 
> need to be aware of just how much lemon consumption is required to 
> truly have any effect.

> This is why most synthetic drugs are used to supplement like vitamin 
> C, D and B and others because a person would have to eat large 
> quantities, in some cases, more than a single person can even eat in a

> day, just to have the necessary affect.

> And too much lemon on food has a definite flavor, which isn't always a

> great mix depending on the food, grin.

> I'd be interested to know where you got your sources from here.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:41 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I wonder if this is true.

> Amazing frozen lemon

> All it is.....is a frozen lemon

> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming 
> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted. How can you use the whole 
> lemon without waste?

> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator. 
> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon 
> (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.

> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup, 
> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.

> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste, something 
> that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only think of 
> lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.

> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in 
> instant cup noodles.

> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than 
> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?

> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more 
> vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been

> wasting.

> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the 
> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume 
> all of those nutrients and get even healthier.

> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating

> toxic elements in the body.

> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal 
> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live 
> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER!

> The surprising benefits of lemon! Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous 
> product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than 
> chemotherapy.

> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories 
> interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge 
> profits.

> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon 
> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant 
> and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.

> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so

> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large 
> corporations?

> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and 
> limes.

> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice 
> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with 
> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on 
> cysts and tumors.

> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say 
> it is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as 
> an anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, 
> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood 
> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and 
> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it 
> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says 
> that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts 
> revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including

> colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas... The compounds of this 
> tree showed 10,000 times better than the product Adriamycin, a drug 
> normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing the growth of 
> cancer cells.

> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon 
> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect 
> healthy cells.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 17:07:40 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:07:40 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 0439bbf1-25b7-4f75-a0e7-e75d37bc140b@samobile.net
References: 0439bbf1-25b7-4f75-a0e7-e75d37bc140b@samobile.net
Message-ID: <3437F314-98D8-4EF8-AC28-C1C170BC8F48@panix.com>

Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:41, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

> I wonder if this is true.
> 
> Amazing frozen lemon
> 
> All it is.....is a frozen lemon
> 
> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
> How can you use the whole lemon without waste?
> 
> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator. Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.
> 
> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup, noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.
> 
> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste,
> something that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.
> 
> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in instant cup noodles.
> 
> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?
> 
> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been wasting.
> 
> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all of those nutrients and get even healthier.
> 
> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating toxic elements in the body.
> 
> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER! The surprising benefits of lemon!
> Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.
> 
> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge profits.
> 
> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.
> 
> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large corporations?
> 
> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and limes.
> 
> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on cysts and tumors.
> 
> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
> The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing the growth of cancer cells.
> 
> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect healthy cells.
> 
> -- 
> --Dar
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> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> every sinner has a future
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 17:12:06 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 12:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Too Young for Insulin?"
Message-ID: e5280bbb-8b2e-4302-9bd9-07e6e2e03887@samobile.net

Good God! dick Clark's last few years were years I wouldn't wish on anyone.
Linda.



From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 17:12:08 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:12:08 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: ff214346-151f-4059-a28a-0db5aa0be4ef@samobile.net
References: ff214346-151f-4059-a28a-0db5aa0be4ef@samobile.net
Message-ID: <5BCA3B57-1E36-45BA-A9B9-8B84EE3366FF@panix.com>

Can you say "pluscebo effect"?

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 8:06, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more than I can share.
> I get more done during the day.
> yes I wouldn't want the whole lemon on my food, where if you did this daily it would build up wouldn't it?
> Grade a lemon or a couple keeping it in a bowl and adding to meals if you wish?
> 
> Original message:
>> I'm always one for an alternative treatment other than synthetic
>> medication, but one of the reasons people don't just consume lemons in
>> order to act as a health preventative is that, even if grating over all
>> your food, it would still take massive amounts of lemon to do what a
>> single pill or treatment can do. Not a reason against it, but we do need
>> to be aware of just how much lemon consumption is required to truly have
>> any effect.
> 
>> This is why most synthetic drugs are used to supplement like vitamin C,
>> D and B and others because a person would have to eat large quantities,
>> in some cases, more than a single person can even eat in a day, just to
>> have the necessary affect.
> 
>> And too much lemon on food has a definite flavor, which isn't always a
>> great mix depending on the food, grin.
> 
>> I'd be interested to know where you got your sources from here.
> 
>> Bridgit
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:41 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> I wonder if this is true.
> 
>> Amazing frozen lemon
> 
>> All it is.....is a frozen lemon
> 
>> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming
>> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
>> How can you use the whole lemon without waste?
> 
>> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator.
>> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon
>> (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.
> 
>> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup,
>> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.
> 
>> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste, something
>> that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only
>> think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.
> 
>> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in
>> instant cup noodles.
> 
>> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than
>> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?
> 
>> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more
>> vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been
>> wasting.
> 
>> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the
>> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all
>> of those nutrients and get even healthier.
> 
>> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating
>> toxic elements in the body.
> 
>> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal
>> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live
>> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER!
>> The surprising benefits of lemon!
>> Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is
>> 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.
> 
>> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories
>> interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge
>> profits.
> 
>> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon
>> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant
>> and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.
> 
>> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so
>> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large
>> corporations?
> 
>> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and
>> limes.
> 
>> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice
>> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with
>> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on
>> cysts and tumors.
> 
>> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it
>> is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an
>> anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi,
>> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood
>> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and
>> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it
>> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says
>> that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts
>> revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including
>> colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
>> The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product
>> Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing
>> the growth of cancer cells.
> 
>> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon
>> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect
>> healthy cells.
> 
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>  FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 22:17:01 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:17:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: be51dffe-82c6-44ed-baa3-861b6e0258bc@samobile.net

I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
When I am out I will get an ice tea.
Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

Original message:
> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
> than I can share.
> I get more done during the day.
> yes I wouldn't want the whole lemon on my food, where if you did this
> daily it would build up wouldn't it?
> Grade a lemon or a couple keeping it in a bowl and adding to meals if
> you wish?

> Original message:
>> I'm always one for an alternative treatment other than synthetic
>> medication, but one of the reasons people don't just consume lemons in

>> order to act as a health preventative is that, even if grating over
>> all your food, it would still take massive amounts of lemon to do what

>> a single pill or treatment can do. Not a reason against it, but we do
>> need to be aware of just how much lemon consumption is required to
>> truly have any effect.

>> This is why most synthetic drugs are used to supplement like vitamin
>> C, D and B and others because a person would have to eat large
>> quantities, in some cases, more than a single person can even eat in a

>> day, just to have the necessary affect.

>> And too much lemon on food has a definite flavor, which isn't always a

>> great mix depending on the food, grin.

>> I'd be interested to know where you got your sources from here.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:41 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I wonder if this is true.

>> Amazing frozen lemon

>> All it is.....is a frozen lemon

>> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming
>> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted. How can you use the whole
>> lemon without waste?

>> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator.
>> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon
>> (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.

>> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup,
>> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.

>> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste, something
>> that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only think of
>> lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.

>> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in
>> instant cup noodles.

>> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than
>> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?

>> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more
>> vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been

>> wasting.

>> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the
>> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume
>> all of those nutrients and get even healthier.

>> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating

>> toxic elements in the body.

>> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal
>> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live
>> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER!

>> The surprising benefits of lemon! Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous
>> product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than
>> chemotherapy.

>> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories
>> interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge
>> profits.

>> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon
>> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant
>> and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.

>> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so

>> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large
>> corporations?

>> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and
>> limes.

>> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice
>> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with
>> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on
>> cysts and tumors.

>> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say
>> it is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as
>> an anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi,
>> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood
>> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and
>> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it
>> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says
>> that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts
>> revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including

>> colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas... The compounds of this
>> tree showed 10,000 times better than the product Adriamycin, a drug
>> normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing the growth of
>> cancer cells.

>> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon
>> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect
>> healthy cells.

>> --
>> --Dar
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>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>> every sinner has a future

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  1 22:18:17 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:18:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: c06c57ba-c712-4295-bbe0-16ac903055c6@samobile.net

I wondered why I was on a high.
Smile.
boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.

Original message:
> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:41, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

>> I wonder if this is true.

>> Amazing frozen lemon

>> All it is.....is a frozen lemon

>> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming 
>> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
>> How can you use the whole lemon without waste?

>> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator. 
>> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon 
>> (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.

>> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup, 
>> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.

>> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste,
>> something that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only 
>> think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.

>> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in 
>> instant cup noodles.

>> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than 
>> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?

>> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more 
>> vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been wasting.

>> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the 
>> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all 
>> of those nutrients and get even healthier.

>> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating 
>> toxic elements in the body.

>> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal 
>> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live 
>> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER! 
>> The surprising benefits of lemon!
>> Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 
>> 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.

>> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories 
>> interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge profits.

>> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon 
>> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant 
>> and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.

>> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so 
>> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large corporations?

>> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and limes.

>> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice 
>> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with 
>> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on 
>> cysts and tumors.

>> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it 
>> is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an 
>> anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, 
>> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood 
>> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and 
>> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it 
>> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says 
>> that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts 
>> revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including 
>> colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
>> The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product 
>> Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing 
>> the growth of cancer cells.

>> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon 
>> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect 
>> healthy cells.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future

>> _______________________________________________
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 22:38:11 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:38:11 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <5131297e.a1c0320a.43fe.6530SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <5131297e.a1c0320a.43fe.6530SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <36B5C16C42A047F1AB1CA3B58325B9E1@SandiPC>

Not to burst your bubble, but whenever I see something like this being 
passed around, I check it out on Snopes.com.  They're a great site for 
finding out the truth about things.  You can read for yourself about the 
studies (by reputable universities, etc.) going on with lemons right now, 
some involving cancer, but below is the final paragraph from snopes.com.  My 
trigger to look there about this piece was that it claims this is a known 
fact, but it's being hidden from the general public.  That statement alone 
is a real trigger for knowing it's not scientific.

"... the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may 
potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer. 
No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have 
been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has any 
of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" reported 
discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and 
that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those 
claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts."

Forgive me, but as I am a scientist, I like to keep as many of these pieces 
of false information as possible out of the mainstream.

Sandi


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>I wondered why I was on a high.
> Smile.
> boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.
>
> Original message:
>> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!
>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:41, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>
>>> I wonder if this is true.
>
>>> Amazing frozen lemon
>
>>> All it is.....is a frozen lemon
>
>>> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming 
>>> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted.
>>> How can you use the whole lemon without waste?
>
>>> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator. 
>>> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon (no 
>>> need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.
>
>>> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup, 
>>> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.
>
>>> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste,
>>> something that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only 
>>> think of lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.
>
>>> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in 
>>> instant cup noodles.
>
>>> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than 
>>> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?
>
>>> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more vitamins 
>>> than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been wasting.
>
>>> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the 
>>> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume all 
>>> of those nutrients and get even healthier.
>
>>> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating 
>>> toxic elements in the body.
>
>>> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal 
>>> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live 
>>> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER! 
>>> The surprising benefits of lemon!
>>> Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 
>>> 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.
>
>>> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories interested 
>>> in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge profits.
>
>>> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon 
>>> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant and 
>>> it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.
>
>>> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so 
>>> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large 
>>> corporations?
>
>>> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and 
>>> limes.
>
>>> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice 
>>> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with 
>>> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on 
>>> cysts and tumors.
>
>>> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it 
>>> is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an 
>>> anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, 
>>> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood 
>>> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and 
>>> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it 
>>> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says that 
>>> after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts revealed 
>>> that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including colon, 
>>> breast, prostate, lung and pancreas...
>>> The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product 
>>> Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing 
>>> the growth of cancer cells.
>
>>> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon 
>>> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect 
>>> healthy cells.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 22:39:31 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:39:31 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC>

One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The 
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent 
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in 
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>
> Original message:
>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>> than I can share.
>> I get more done during the day.
>> yes I wouldn't want the whole lemon on my food, where if you did this
>> daily it would build up wouldn't it?
>> Grade a lemon or a couple keeping it in a bowl and adding to meals if
>> you wish?
>
>> Original message:
>>> I'm always one for an alternative treatment other than synthetic
>>> medication, but one of the reasons people don't just consume lemons in
>
>>> order to act as a health preventative is that, even if grating over
>>> all your food, it would still take massive amounts of lemon to do what
>
>>> a single pill or treatment can do. Not a reason against it, but we do
>>> need to be aware of just how much lemon consumption is required to
>>> truly have any effect.
>
>>> This is why most synthetic drugs are used to supplement like vitamin
>>> C, D and B and others because a person would have to eat large
>>> quantities, in some cases, more than a single person can even eat in a
>
>>> day, just to have the necessary affect.
>
>>> And too much lemon on food has a definite flavor, which isn't always a
>
>>> great mix depending on the food, grin.
>
>>> I'd be interested to know where you got your sources from here.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:41 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>> I wonder if this is true.
>
>>> Amazing frozen lemon
>
>>> All it is.....is a frozen lemon
>
>>> Many professionals in restaurants and eateries are using or consuming
>>> the entire lemon and nothing is wasted. How can you use the whole
>>> lemon without waste?
>
>>> Simple.. place the lemon in the freezer section of your refrigerator.
>>> Once the lemon is frozen, get your grater, and shred the whole lemon
>>> (no need to peel it)and sprinkle it on top of your foods.
>
>>> Sprinkle it to your whisky, wine, vegetable salad, ice cream, soup,
>>> noodles,spaghetti sauce, rice, sushi, fish dishes.
>
>>> All of the foods will unexpectedly have a wonderful taste, something
>>> that you may have never tasted before. Most likely, you only think of
>>> lemon juice and vitamin C. Not anymore.
>
>>> Now that you've learned this lemon secret, you can use lemon even in
>>> instant cup noodles.
>
>>> What's the major advantage of using the whole lemon other than
>>> preventing waste and adding new taste to your dishes?
>
>>> Well, you see lemon peels contain as much as 5 to 10 times more
>>> vitamins than the lemon juice itself. And yes, that's what you've been
>
>>> wasting.
>
>>> But from now on, by following this simple procedure of freezing the
>>> whole lemon, then grating it on top of your dishes, you can consume
>>> all of those nutrients and get even healthier.
>
>>> It's also good that lemon peels are health rejuvenators in eradicating
>
>>> toxic elements in the body.
>
>>> So place your lemon in your freezer, and then grate it on your meal
>>> every day. It is a key to make your foods tastier and you get to live
>>> healthier and longer! That's the lemon secret! Better late than NEVER!
>
>>> The surprising benefits of lemon! Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous
>>> product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than
>>> chemotherapy.
>
>>> Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories
>>> interested in making a synthetic version that will bring them huge
>>> profits.
>
>>> You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon
>>> juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant
>>> and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy.
>
>>> How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so
>
>>> as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires large
>>> corporations?
>
>>> As you know, the lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and
>>> limes.
>
>>> You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice
>>> press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc... It is credited with
>>> many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on
>>> cysts and tumors.
>
>>> This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say
>>> it is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as
>>> an anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi,
>>> effective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood
>>> pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and
>>> nervous disorders. The source of this information is fascinating: it
>>> comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says
>>> that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts
>>> revealed that It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including
>
>>> colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas... The compounds of this
>>> tree showed 10,000 times better than the product Adriamycin, a drug
>>> normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing the growth of
>>> cancer cells.
>
>>> And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon
>>> extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect
>>> healthy cells.
>
>>> --
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 23:26:21 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:26:21 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <36B5C16C42A047F1AB1CA3B58325B9E1@SandiPC>
References: <5131297e.a1c0320a.43fe.6530SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<36B5C16C42A047F1AB1CA3B58325B9E1@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <FCC84E08-D874-49E0-B1A6-514D758A6880@panix.com>

O Lord! Right on, Sandi!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:38, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not to burst your bubble, but whenever I see something like this being passed around, I check it out on Snopes.com.  They're a great site for finding out the truth about things.  You can read for yourself about the studies (by reputable universities, etc.) going on with lemons right now, some involving cancer, but below is the final paragraph from snopes.com.  My trigger to look there about this piece was that it claims this is a known fact, but it's being hidden from the general public.  That statement alone is a real trigger for knowing it's not scientific.
> 
> "... the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer. No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has any of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" reported discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts."
> 
> Forgive me, but as I am a scientist, I like to keep as many of these pieces of false information as possible out of the mainstream.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> I wondered why I was on a high.
>> Smile.
>> boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!
>> 
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone



From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  1 23:28:47 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:28:47 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>> 
>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.



From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Fri Mar  1 23:42:30 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:42:30 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC>
	<329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>
Message-ID: <001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>> 
>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 01:36:38 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:36:38 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>
	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with 
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 01:40:48 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 20:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: c091523b-43ab-44b3-8619-bb0fa2a05276@samobile.net

Now where do you get those?
I would love that.
Original message:
> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>> than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 02:21:59 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:21:59 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <513158e6.66cf320a.2c04.6842SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <513158e6.66cf320a.2c04.6842SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C47B951458074AF9AE1C704E1E5E6D2D@SandiPC>

I've seen them in some local chocolate stores, and I think there's a company 
out of Chicago that sells things like that.  Honestly, I've mostly found 
them in tourist towns in their chocolate stores, and they're not cheap!  I 
haven't ever bought the chocolate with jalapenos, but a friend bought me 
some for my retirement party three years ago!  It was very tasty!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Now where do you get those?
> I would love that.
> Original message:
>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
>> with
>> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
>> Veronica
>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>> Up with jalapenos!
>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
>> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
>> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really 
>>>>> the
>>>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element 
>>>>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>>> than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 03:22:10 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:22:10 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <FCC84E08-D874-49E0-B1A6-514D758A6880@panix.com>
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Further thought: hey! Lemons are *very* good if you're gthree sheets to the
wind and get the hiccups. Just suck on a lemon for a while and it slows them
down! (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:26 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

O Lord! Right on, Sandi!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:38, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not to burst your bubble, but whenever I see something like this being
passed around, I check it out on Snopes.com.  They're a great site for
finding out the truth about things.  You can read for yourself about the
studies (by reputable universities, etc.) going on with lemons right now,
some involving cancer, but below is the final paragraph from snopes.com.  My
trigger to look there about this piece was that it claims this is a known
fact, but it's being hidden from the general public.  That statement alone
is a real trigger for knowing it's not scientific.
> 
> "... the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may
potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer.
No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have
been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has any
of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" reported
discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and
that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those
claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts."
> 
> Forgive me, but as I am a scientist, I like to keep as many of these
pieces of false information as possible out of the mainstream.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> I wondered why I was on a high.
>> Smile.
>> boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!
>> 
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 03:33:38 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:33:38 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 03:37:04 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 21:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really 
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more 
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 03:38:55 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:38:55 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 7b1e993d-1a7d-4a86-beb9-142ca0baf86c@samobile.net

You tested it out rite?
Smile,

Original message:
> Further thought: hey! Lemons are *very* good if you're gthree sheets to the
> wind and get the hiccups. Just suck on a lemon for a while and it slows them
> down! (grin)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> O Lord! Right on, Sandi!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:38, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Not to burst your bubble, but whenever I see something like this being
> passed around, I check it out on Snopes.com.  They're a great site for
> finding out the truth about things.  You can read for yourself about the
> studies (by reputable universities, etc.) going on with lemons right now,
> some involving cancer, but below is the final paragraph from snopes.com.  My
> trigger to look there about this piece was that it claims this is a known
> fact, but it's being hidden from the general public.  That statement alone
> is a real trigger for knowing it's not scientific.

>> "... the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may
> potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer.
> No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have
> been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has any
> of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" reported
> discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and
> that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those
> claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts."

>> Forgive me, but as I am a scientist, I like to keep as many of these
> pieces of false information as possible out of the mainstream.

>> Sandi


>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I wondered why I was on a high.
>>> Smile.
>>> boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 04:04:00 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:04:00 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 7b1e993d-1a7d-4a86-beb9-142ca0baf86c@samobile.net
References: 7b1e993d-1a7d-4a86-beb9-142ca0baf86c@samobile.net
Message-ID: <00f301ce16fa$f964a200$ec2de600$@panix.com>

No ... wish I had. However, I knew a guy who did.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:39 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You tested it out rite?
Smile,

Original message:
> Further thought: hey! Lemons are *very* good if you're gthree sheets to
the
> wind and get the hiccups. Just suck on a lemon for a while and it slows
them
> down! (grin)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> O Lord! Right on, Sandi!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:38, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Not to burst your bubble, but whenever I see something like this being
> passed around, I check it out on Snopes.com.  They're a great site for
> finding out the truth about things.  You can read for yourself about the
> studies (by reputable universities, etc.) going on with lemons right now,
> some involving cancer, but below is the final paragraph from snopes.com.
My
> trigger to look there about this piece was that it claims this is a known
> fact, but it's being hidden from the general public.  That statement alone
> is a real trigger for knowing it's not scientific.

>> "... the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may
> potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer.
> No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have
> been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has
any
> of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers"
reported
> discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and
> that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those
> claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts."

>> Forgive me, but as I am a scientist, I like to keep as many of these
> pieces of false information as possible out of the mainstream.

>> Sandi


>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I wondered why I was on a high.
>>> Smile.
>>> boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sat Mar  2 04:13:20 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:13:20 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>
	<000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that
stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
<drool!>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really 
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more 
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 04:22:18 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:22:18 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>
	<000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>
	<000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <001001ce16fd$87fc02e0$97f408a0$@gmail.com>

I've been to Santa Cruz.  It's like heaven for this Texas boy.  Some of the
best food I've ever had.  I'd live in northern CA, but can't afford it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 10:13 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that
stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
<drool!>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really 
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during 
>>> the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more 
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 04:42:31 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:42:31 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP236E45C0C4CC8FF15A6FAFCC4F80@phx.gbl>

Interesting fact: A chocolatier from Omaha provided chocolates for the
swag bags given to attendees of the Academy Awards this year, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:13 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things.
But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and
cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to
be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica
Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the 
>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during
the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 04:43:11 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 23:43:11 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 7e85ffe5-bb1d-407b-ac77-3c7f24f31d56@samobile.net

Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find out. Lol!
Linda.



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 04:47:55 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:47:55 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 7e85ffe5-bb1d-407b-ac77-3c7f24f31d56@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP35549513453A6CED006B882C4F80@phx.gbl>

Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme morning
sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate Middleton
has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it towards the end of
my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and soda crackers
were what worked for me. That's really the only thing that worked, and
even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things though.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of limestone lady
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
To: k7uij at panix.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find out.
Lol! Linda.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 14:52:05 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 06:52:05 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001001ce16fd$87fc02e0$97f408a0$@gmail.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>	<000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>	<000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<001001ce16fd$87fc02e0$97f408a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ce1755$81e376b0$85aa6410$@panix.com>

So would I.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 8:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've been to Santa Cruz.  It's like heaven for this Texas boy.  Some of the
best food I've ever had.  I'd live in northern CA, but can't afford it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 10:13 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that
stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
<drool!>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really 
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during 
>>> the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more 
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 16:25:09 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:25:09 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <00d701ce16f5$213cbbb0$63b63310$@panix.com>
References: <5131297e.a1c0320a.43fe.6530SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<36B5C16C42A047F1AB1CA3B58325B9E1@SandiPC><FCC84E08-D874-49E0-B1A6-514D758A6880@panix.com>
	<00d701ce16f5$213cbbb0$63b63310$@panix.com>
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They do have many excellent qualities!  I don't know about that one! *grin*

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Further thought: hey! Lemons are *very* good if you're gthree sheets to 
> the
> wind and get the hiccups. Just suck on a lemon for a while and it slows 
> them
> down! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> O Lord! Right on, Sandi!
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:38, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not to burst your bubble, but whenever I see something like this being
> passed around, I check it out on Snopes.com.  They're a great site for
> finding out the truth about things.  You can read for yourself about the
> studies (by reputable universities, etc.) going on with lemons right now,
> some involving cancer, but below is the final paragraph from snopes.com. 
> My
> trigger to look there about this piece was that it claims this is a known
> fact, but it's being hidden from the general public.  That statement alone
> is a real trigger for knowing it's not scientific.
>>
>> "... the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may
> potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer.
> No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have
> been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has 
> any
> of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" 
> reported
> discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and
> that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those
> claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts."
>>
>> Forgive me, but as I am a scientist, I like to keep as many of these
> pieces of false information as possible out of the mainstream.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I wondered why I was on a high.
>>> Smile.
>>> boy wisky what a taste dreadful it is.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Adulterating the whiskey? For shame!
>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone
>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 16:26:01 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:26:01 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com><DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>
	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>
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No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed (I 
assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 16:26:42 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:26:42 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com><DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC><00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>
	<000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>
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Indeed!  Lots of flavors of chocolate.  And some are very good.  Haven't had 
the nerve to try the bacon one yet--but I'll bet I'd like it!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 16:27:44 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com><000601ce16f7$3629df10$a27d9d30$@gmail.com>
	<000001ce16fc$465888a0$d30999e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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Yum!  I want some!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that
stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
<drool!>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the
day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 16:28:48 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:28:48 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Especially if you dip it in salt!

Sandi

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, sucking 
> on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! Don't take my 
> word completely though as I've had no reason to find out. Lol!
> Linda.
>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 16:29:36 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:29:36 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the 
sugar--diet doesn't do it!

Sandi

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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme morning
> sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate Middleton
> has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it towards the end of
> my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and soda crackers
> were what worked for me. That's really the only thing that worked, and
> even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things though.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of limestone lady
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> To: k7uij at panix.com
> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find out.
> Lol! Linda.
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 17:01:50 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:01:50 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <AA248B0995024F8EB7FB3AD0980A1654@SandiPC>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com><DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com>
	<AA248B0995024F8EB7FB3AD0980A1654@SandiPC>
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Actually, I'm kind of disappointed. I like "poppers" -- roasted jalape?os,
either with or without breading so I was hoping the Powers That Be could
somehow coat them with chocolate. Ah well.

Mike Freeman


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Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed (I 
assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

Sandi

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
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Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 17:04:48 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:04:48 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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	<921A80C454BE47A9A8429BE17C780EBE@SandiPC>
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Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied as
are the people who get morning sickness.

Icecream and pickles anyone?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Especially if you dip it in salt!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <k7uij at panix.com>
Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, sucking 
> on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! Don't take my 
> word completely though as I've had no reason to find out. Lol!
> Linda.
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 17:20:16 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:20:16 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <42CDC7CDA7064087AD922418C729E8B7@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP398D2DE767E0E49D98CAA68C4F80@phx.gbl>

Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all
times as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and
the older I get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I
think it's the light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus
problems. I have to wear sunglasses most the time even around the house.
And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my point
being diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just
psychological then?

Bridgit

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Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the 
sugar--diet doesn't do it!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme 
> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate 
> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it towards

> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and 
> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing 
> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things 
> though.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of limestone lady
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> To: k7uij at panix.com
> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
> out. Lol! Linda.
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 17:21:28 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:21:28 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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It would be very easy to do at home, smile. Ross loves chocolate covered
everything, so I'm double boiling all the time around here, grin.
Fortunately, I'm not a big chocolate person, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:02 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Actually, I'm kind of disappointed. I like "poppers" -- roasted
jalape?os, either with or without breading so I was hoping the Powers
That Be could somehow coat them with chocolate. Ah well.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed
(I 
assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

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http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
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Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the 
>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really

>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element 
>>> happening? Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks 
>>> may lessen your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse 
>>> the body, which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you

>>> drink, the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy

>>> during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more

>>> than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 17:27:30 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:27:30 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 70d62391-853d-4dd2-828c-6523ec7896a9@samobile.net

You know, that doesn't sound as implausible as it seems. There are 
people who put chocolate in chili, so why not put chilis in chocolate.
I don't think the mexicans originaly used chocolate as a sweet treat, 
and when you think of how bitter really dark chocolate is, a fact which 
I rediscovered, when I bought the darkest chocolate bar I could find, 
it really isn't that surprising.
We're also discovering that salt brings out the flavor in chocolate. 
Just what we need.
Linda.



From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 17:38:17 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:38:17 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Hi, Bridgid.

Enough of the light sensitivity and you'll conclude, like many of us, that
those peepers just aren't worth the bother! Had my left eye removed and my
right one doesn't do nearly as well as once upon a time.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all times
as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and the older I
get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I think it's the
light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus problems. I have to
wear sunglasses most the time even around the house.
And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my point being
diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just psychological
then?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the
sugar--diet doesn't do it!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme 
> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate 
> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it towards

> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and 
> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing 
> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things 
> though.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of limestone lady
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> To: k7uij at panix.com
> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
> out. Lol! Linda.
>
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 17:39:02 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Well, I'll tell you where I heard this. When Canadian prime minister 
Pierre Trudeau and his wife Margaret were visiting Kossygen in Russia, 
Margaret must have just become pregnant with their second son, as she 
started to feel queasy in the morning, and Kossygen's daughter, or it 
may have been daughter-in-law, told her the queasiness would go away if 
she sucked lemons.
Linda.she started



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 17:52:53 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:52:53 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Yes, this is true. I had everyone and anyone telling me their cure for
morning sickness. I was told to suck peppermint candies, drink herbal
tea, drink pickle juice and even crazier, grin. Nothing worked for me
except soda crackers and ginger-ale.

Exercise was another good thing, but as other mommies know, when you
feel like complete crap, it's difficult to get up and move around. I
continued to work-out during my pregnancy, but man, when I was having
morning sickness, it took everything in me to do it. 

Fortunately once I entered my second trimester, the morning sickness
stopped. Then the swelling started, bummer. I was retaining so much
fluid towards the end, I literally dropped 50 pounds a week after
delivering. I didn't start showing until my sixth month, but at the end,
with all the swelling, I was so miserable. Submerging in water was the
only thing that brought any comfort. 

My disproportionate weight gain caused complications like bad back, hip
and leg pain. My mom was like this, and I clearly inherited her
pregnancy genes. It was kind of funny not looking pregnant with clothes
on, then in my third trimester, bam, it was like, whoa, that chick's
pregers, ha-ha!

I never had weird cravings. In fact, I never had cravings of any kind. I
have never ate as healthy as I did when pregnant, smile. I really never
indulged. I was trying to do everything to keep sugars in tight control
and maintain my health in general. Lots of fresh fruit and veggies,
whole grains, no caffeine, no added hormones in food, etc. I had so much
self-control while pregnant, but I kept waiting for cravings and to feel
hungrier than normal, but I never did. I actually had a lower A1-C
during my pregnancy then I do not pregnant, smile. The benefit is that
six months after giving birth, I'm back to pre-pregnancy weight, yeah,
grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:05 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied
as are the people who get morning sickness.

Icecream and pickles anyone?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Especially if you dip it in salt!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <k7uij at panix.com>
Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
> sucking
> on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! Don't take
my 
> word completely though as I've had no reason to find out. Lol!
> Linda.
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 18:02:59 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:02:59 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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My doc has talked about implants over the eye eventually. It's weird
because I don't see light persay, but my eyes definitely respond to it.
If I pay attention, I can tell when lights are turned off or on, but I
definitely *feel* it. In sunlight, I can actually make out shadows and
see certain colors if they flash by. Obviously nothing that I can use my
*sight* for, smile.

I've also developed Nystagnus where my eyes will move side-to-side. It
mostly happens in bright light, but funny story. My three-year-old was
upset because she didn't think I was looking at her. I knew I was
looking directly at her, and wasn't quite sure why she was insisting I
wasn't. She was really insistent, then it occurred to me that she was
referring to the fact that my eyes were moving slightly at the time. I
asked her if they were, and she said yes, and that they were moving like
this, to which she took her hand and moved in side-to-side, LOL! It was
pretty funny.

I don't wear sunglasses when dealing with the baby because one, he would
just pull them off,and two, I want him to see my full facial
expressions. But there are times when I just have to wear them. I hate
to be the *stereotype,* but I'd rather wear them then get a migraine. I
always have super cute sunglasses though, grin. My current pair are
purple Jacki-O style with tiny rinestones on the sides, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:38 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hi, Bridgid.

Enough of the light sensitivity and you'll conclude, like many of us,
that those peepers just aren't worth the bother! Had my left eye removed
and my right one doesn't do nearly as well as once upon a time.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all
times as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and
the older I get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I
think it's the light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus
problems. I have to wear sunglasses most the time even around the house.
And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my point
being diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just
psychological then?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the
sugar--diet doesn't do it!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme
> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate 
> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it towards

> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and
> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing 
> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things 
> though.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of limestone lady
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> To: k7uij at panix.com
> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
> out. Lol! Linda.
>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 18:48:36 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 0964d1ea-6744-4300-b6a2-7e64a5f8c8b1@samobile.net

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
> chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
> the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

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> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>> than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sat Mar  2 19:04:02 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:04:02 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
> chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
> the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>> than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 19:07:06 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:07:06 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 0964d1ea-6744-4300-b6a2-7e64a5f8c8b1@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3163CC04F856444F6DBDBDAC4F80@phx.gbl>

Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel 
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones. 
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the 
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sat Mar  2 19:10:36 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:10:36 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Message-ID: <000201ce1779$9fa75b70$def61250$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

I haven't heard that cinnamon helps with weight loss. If it did, umm, my
menopausal difficulties would be over! <laughing! Wishful thinking over
here. But hey, no harm in taking the test. No such thing as too much
cinnamon in my book. <grin>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:07 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel 
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones. 
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the 
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 19:15:39 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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	<000901ce1778$b45c5f30$1d151d90$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <002a01ce177a$5454dde0$fcfe99a0$@gmail.com>

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 19:16:36 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:16:36 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <000901ce1778$b45c5f30$1d151d90$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: 0964d1ea-6744-4300-b6a2-7e64a5f8c8b1@samobile.net
	<000901ce1778$b45c5f30$1d151d90$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <000101ce177a$7651bbc0$62f53340$@panix.com>

Infrared radiation!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
> chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
> the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>> than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 19:26:03 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:26:03 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <002a01ce177a$5454dde0$fcfe99a0$@gmail.com>
References: 0964d1ea-6744-4300-b6a2-7e64a5f8c8b1@samobile.net	<000901ce1778$b45c5f30$1d151d90$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<002a01ce177a$5454dde0$fcfe99a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201ce177b$c83536f0$589fa4d0$@panix.com>

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 19:50:42 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 14:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 9d1533d8-a839-4997-b645-c8670bc88a85@samobile.net

I could tell colors, the grass from the sidewalk, things like that.
Child abuse stopped that.
Woke up one morning, when it was all gone.
I kept bouncing off the walls until I could get what we have now to 
hear when you are coming closer to them.
Got my new eyes both done in 1978.
Have never looked back.

Original message:
> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
>> chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
>> the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
>> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
>> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
>> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during
> the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>>> than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 19:51:50 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 14:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 0f938730-f962-49ae-af6c-62377c6ca040@samobile.net

I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
I know it helps the heart.

Original message:
> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
> bell to anyone else?

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>> comes from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 19:52:34 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:52:34 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
Message-ID: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 19:59:03 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:59:03 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Tell someone who makes chocolates--maybe you'd start a trend!  I have a son 
who'd go along with you!

Sandi

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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Actually, I'm kind of disappointed. I like "poppers" -- roasted jalape?os,
either with or without breading so I was hoping the Powers That Be could
somehow coat them with chocolate. Ah well.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed (I
assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 19:59:49 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:59:49 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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Actually, he wasn't too bad. He was a kind of hard-boiled guy -- "just the
facts, ma'am" -- and I asked him when I should have it removed from a
medical standpoint. I'd been having trouble with the cornea scratching and
healing from the internal breakdown. The scratches could be healed with some
cream I put on the cornea. His answer was that when it bothered me enough
(in other words, it was *my* decision), he'd take the eye out. Anyway, he
was as good as his word: when I said I'd had enough, he took the eye out the
next week. Felt so much better I could have gone back to work that afternoon
but stayed home as his staff recommended.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
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m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

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> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:00:09 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:00:09 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.  I'm 
only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied as
> are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, sucking
>> on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! Don't take my
>> word completely though as I've had no reason to find out. Lol!
>> Linda.
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 20:01:31 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:01:31 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 0f938730-f962-49ae-af6c-62377c6ca040@samobile.net
References: 0f938730-f962-49ae-af6c-62377c6ca040@samobile.net
Message-ID: <000701ce1780$bc6f8140$354e83c0$@panix.com>

Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
I know it helps the heart.

Original message:
> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
> bell to anyone else?

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>> comes from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 20:06:00 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: f9e73b33-80c7-42c5-b442-716891deebdb@samobile.net

Brake the word down for me pluscebo
Thanks,
You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I 
drank the fifth.
Giggle.

Original message:
> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:06:17 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:06:17 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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References: <BLU0-SMTP398D2DE767E0E49D98CAA68C4F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5D82D0BF0FEB4B39BAB0C4682F062CEB@SandiPC>

Hi Bridgit,

Well, I'm not sure exactly, but what I learned was that salt and sugar are 
the elements in the foods that actually control nausea.  One part of it is 
putting something--anything--in your stomach that won't come back right 
away.  But sugar and salt both help hold water in the body, so it may have 
to do with hydration, too.  I suspect the effect from the diet gingerale is 
an effect of the carbonation.  And if there's some placebo effect--if it 
works--so what?  Keep doing it!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all
> times as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and
> the older I get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I
> think it's the light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus
> problems. I have to wear sunglasses most the time even around the house.
> And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my point
> being diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just
> psychological then?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the
> sugar--diet doesn't do it!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme
>> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate
>> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it towards
>
>> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and
>> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing
>> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things
>> though.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of limestone lady
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> To: k7uij at panix.com
>> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:08:08 2013
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS18639228BE8BA080DA8FFDCA1F80@phx.gbl>

It is spelled p l a c e b o

d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

Brake the word down for me pluscebo
Thanks,
You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
drank the fifth.
Giggle.

Original message:
> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:08:41 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:08:41 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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References: <BLU0-SMTP397133E50A2232762446C71C4F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C388E38B1D1547F8BB8433C7E5A5DF48@SandiPC>

Might be a fun thing to do sometime for a party--perhaps fondue, with one of 
the choices for dipping into chocolate being jalapenos!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


It would be very easy to do at home, smile. Ross loves chocolate covered
everything, so I'm double boiling all the time around here, grin.
Fortunately, I'm not a big chocolate person, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:02 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Actually, I'm kind of disappointed. I like "poppers" -- roasted
jalape?os, either with or without breading so I was hoping the Powers
That Be could somehow coat them with chocolate. Ah well.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed
(I
assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica
Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
> The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really

>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
>>> happening? Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks
>>> may lessen your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse
>>> the body, which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you

>>> drink, the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy

>>> during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more

>>> than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:32:36 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:32:36 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <513249b4.46962a0a.3812.ffffb7a0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <3214297165B6466A831C78DF8249AFEE@SandiPC>

Me, too.  We're discussing my three favorite flavors here--chocolate, 
cinnamon and lemon.  I like jalapenos, too--but I can't say they're a 
favorite. *grin*

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a world-famous
> chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of things. But the top of
> the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark chocolate and cinnamon. Man, 
> that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
> jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really
>>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during 
>>>> the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>>> than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 20:33:27 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:33:27 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 30f58dc8-ae15-4913-86c5-616de4a1f39d@samobile.net

Well, a friend told me that she saw chocolate covered potato chips in 
trader joe's.
If salt, and in particular, sea salt, inhances the flavor of chocolate, 
maybe that's why bacon and chocolate go together but it sure doesn't 
appeal to me.
Linda.



From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:34:28 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:34:28 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I've heard that about lots of things.  I suspect that, if it's true, it's 
because you can eat less of something and be satisfied if it contains 
cinnamon.  I think I've read somewhere that it helps with diabetes, too--but 
I can't place that right now.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 20:35:18 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:35:18 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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A placebo is something that, when taken, has an effect upon a person simply
by virtue of the fact that he/she *believes* it will work. Example: powdered
rhino horn in China as an aphrodisiac. Kind of tough on the poor rhinos,
though, especially as there's no such effect. <g>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:06 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Brake the word down for me pluscebo
Thanks,
You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I 
drank the fifth.
Giggle.

Original message:
> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:36:35 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:36:35 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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	<002a01ce177a$5454dde0$fcfe99a0$@gmail.com>
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I've always had prostheses, and have had a couple of doctors look into my 
eyes, too.  And when I got a new doctor a couple of years ago, I told her 
"Well, we know one thing for sure.  I won't go blind from diabetes."  There 
was a long pause, and she said "Oh?"  I told her I've been blind all my life 
from retinoblastoma, so diabetes can't do that to me!  Then we had a good 
laugh.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

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http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
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Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
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> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 20:36:51 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:36:51 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <5277DC3102A640BC89F5FF071B996386@SandiPC>
References: <5131838e.42032b0a.2c6f.22a1SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com><921A80C454BE47A9A8429BE17C780EBE@SandiPC>	<002201ce1768$0cbe9fa0$263bdee0$@panix.com>
	<5277DC3102A640BC89F5FF071B996386@SandiPC>
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I get it. My thesis, though, that considering that the urban myth is that
pregnant women crave icecream and pickles, what tones down morning sickness
for them is likely to be equally as arbitrary.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.  I'm
only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied as
> are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, sucking
>> on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! Don't take my
>> word completely though as I've had no reason to find out. Lol!
>> Linda.
>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 20:39:29 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:39:29 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <AC9EE1171EF540D9A75325E203858840@SandiPC>
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There are studies that appear to confirm that but about the time one
concludes that cinnamon might be of benefit to diabetics, out comes another
study that flat contradicts its effectiveness. It's this sort of thing that
makes me a confirmed skeptic.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've heard that about lots of things.  I suspect that, if it's true, it's 
because you can eat less of something and be satisfied if it contains 
cinnamon.  I think I've read somewhere that it helps with diabetes, too--but

I can't place that right now.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

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Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 20:39:50 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:39:50 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Me, either.

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limestone lady
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:33 PM
To: sjryan2 at gmail.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Well, a friend told me that she saw chocolate covered potato chips in trader
joe's.
If salt, and in particular, sea salt, inhances the flavor of chocolate,
maybe that's why bacon and chocolate go together but it sure doesn't appeal
to me.
Linda.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:40:59 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the item for 
something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon works, I may 
have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

Mike Freeman


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m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
I know it helps the heart.

Original message:
> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
> bell to anyone else?

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>> comes from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:43:39 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:43:39 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <51325bba.06602b0a.7b40.1afeSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <51325bba.06602b0a.7b40.1afeSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4CBC8A5FBEFE4850ADD7C50512F93AF9@SandiPC>

Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the person 
feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often provide part of 
the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the 
control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those in 
the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not take the 
medication and the pill they took was sugar.

Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a sugar 
pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Brake the word down for me pluscebo
Thanks,
You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
drank the fifth.
Giggle.

Original message:
> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 20:53:03 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:53:03 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001601ce1786$1678e000$436aa000$@panix.com>
References: 30f58dc8-ae15-4913-86c5-616de4a1f39d@samobile.net
	<001601ce1786$1678e000$436aa000$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000301ce1787$ef9ab380$ced01a80$@gmail.com>

I have some -- a birthday present from my son who works at Whole Foods, but
I've not tried it yet.  Just can't seem to wrap my head around the idea, but
come to think of it, I'm kinda hungry...

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 2:40 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Me, either.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
limestone lady
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:33 PM
To: sjryan2 at gmail.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Well, a friend told me that she saw chocolate covered potato chips in trader
joe's.
If salt, and in particular, sea salt, inhances the flavor of chocolate,
maybe that's why bacon and chocolate go together but it sure doesn't appeal
to me.
Linda.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 20:57:49 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 96fe6a31-f109-4537-975e-e55ad3016ac7@samobile.net

Scold Mike giggle, I took it from the word on the page.
Won't remember that spelling.
As long as messages are here, that is what matters.
then folks know what we are visiting about.

Original message:
> It is spelled p l a c e b o

> d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>>> bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 20:58:33 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:58:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 4e489baa-b6fc-4e32-bcd3-e1db2aed48c5@samobile.net

Oh that would be fun to do.
I sure love those.

Original message:
> Might be a fun thing to do sometime for a party--perhaps fondue, with one of
> the choices for dipping into chocolate being jalapenos!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> It would be very easy to do at home, smile. Ross loves chocolate covered
> everything, so I'm double boiling all the time around here, grin.
> Fortunately, I'm not a big chocolate person, smile.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:02 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I'm kind of disappointed. I like "poppers" -- roasted
> jalape?os, either with or without breading so I was hoping the Powers
> That Be could somehow coat them with chocolate. Ah well.

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:26 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed
> (I
> assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
> Veronica

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> The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica
> Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
> fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
> your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really

>>>> the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element
>>>> happening? Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks
>>>> may lessen your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse
>>>> the body, which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you

>>>> drink, the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy

>>>> during the day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more

>>>> than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:01:00 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:01:00 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: ee077889-e009-4749-89fb-fb49de1d9e77@samobile.net

OK I will have to find that one. If you have it we should have it in 
the states.
Somewhere.
Oh me have done the bacon, it is ok, but could do with out that.
Entertaining.

Original message:
> Well, a friend told me that she saw chocolate covered potato chips in
> trader joe's.
> If salt, and in particular, sea salt, inhances the flavor of chocolate,
> maybe that's why bacon and chocolate go together but it sure doesn't
> appeal to me.
> Linda.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:00:58 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:00:58 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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That's why I mentioned cinnamon in my coffee.  Coffee has been the same way. 
One day it'll kill you, make you have small babies, and curl your hair.  The 
next it's the best thing since sliced bread.  As with coffee, I eat cinnamon 
in moderation (especially since it started making my tongue really sore), 
and enjoy both.  But that's the biggest problem with our research 
today--every little finding is trumpeted throughout the land, and when 
things are found not to do what we presumed at first, that knowledge is 
quietly swept under the rug.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


There are studies that appear to confirm that but about the time one
concludes that cinnamon might be of benefit to diabetics, out comes another
study that flat contradicts its effectiveness. It's this sort of thing that
makes me a confirmed skeptic.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've heard that about lots of things.  I suspect that, if it's true, it's
because you can eat less of something and be satisfied if it contains
cinnamon.  I think I've read somewhere that it helps with diabetes, too--but

I can't place that right now.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

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> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:02:40 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:02:40 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 4683701d-523a-44ac-9593-6e2e2ce2064f@samobile.net

Well when I shared with my diabetic coordinator she shared she did the 
same thing, my doctor does the same thing.
So guess we are all goofy here in Montana giggle.
We read this on google.

Original message:
> A placebo is something that, when taken, has an effect upon a person simply
> by virtue of the fact that he/she *believes* it will work. Example: powdered
> rhino horn in China as an aphrodisiac. Kind of tough on the poor rhinos,
> though, especially as there's no such effect. <g>

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:06 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>>> bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:05:03 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:05:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: d468f2d8-bb81-4f43-b41a-288731ad9742@samobile.net

yes Sandy, this was one of the things I shared with my family as well.
That I wouldn't go blind being a diabetic.
I admire all of you who have gone blind being a diabetic in this case, 
still laughing and moving rite along.
I'm to mean not to do so.
If someone says Dar can't do something, trust me with in reason I let 
them know I can.
They have learned not to say it.
Or I will ignore them and do it anyway.
As I share it is dars way.

Original message:
> I've always had prostheses, and have had a couple of doctors look into my
> eyes, too.  And when I got a new doctor a couple of years ago, I told her
> "Well, we know one thing for sure.  I won't go blind from diabetes."  There
> was a long pause, and she said "Oh?"  I told her I've been blind all my life
> from retinoblastoma, so diabetes can't do that to me!  Then we had a good
> laugh.

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes
> from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.

>> _______________________________________________
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:06:44 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:06:44 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <5277DC3102A640BC89F5FF071B996386@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3636077C0B5812F54B8D241C4F80@phx.gbl>

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
liquids or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm 
only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
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> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:07:09 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 51ba2e9b-41f8-4c4f-8817-a45c8ee18a54@samobile.net

There are folks when something works, they don't want to try it to see 
what it does for them.
They just want to be dreadful. Not knowing what they are talking about.

Original message:
> There are studies that appear to confirm that but about the time one
> concludes that cinnamon might be of benefit to diabetics, out comes another
> study that flat contradicts its effectiveness. It's this sort of thing that
> makes me a confirmed skeptic.

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:34 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I've heard that about lots of things.  I suspect that, if it's true, it's
> because you can eat less of something and be satisfied if it contains
> cinnamon.  I think I've read somewhere that it helps with diabetes, too--but

> I can't place that right now.

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
> bell to anyone else?

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>> comes from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:07:29 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:07:29 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <5D82D0BF0FEB4B39BAB0C4682F062CEB@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP476D2EFE057BFB2DB988DE1C4F80@phx.gbl>

I thought it was the ginger that helped nausea.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hi Bridgit,

Well, I'm not sure exactly, but what I learned was that salt and sugar
are 
the elements in the foods that actually control nausea.  One part of it
is 
putting something--anything--in your stomach that won't come back right 
away.  But sugar and salt both help hold water in the body, so it may
have 
to do with hydration, too.  I suspect the effect from the diet gingerale
is 
an effect of the carbonation.  And if there's some placebo effect--if it

works--so what?  Keep doing it!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all 
> times as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and 
> the older I get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I

> think it's the light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus

> problems. I have to wear sunglasses most the time even around the 
> house. And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my 
> point being diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just 
> psychological then?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the 
> sugar--diet doesn't do it!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme 
>> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate 
>> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it 
>> towards
>
>> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and 
>> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing 
>> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things

>> though.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of limestone lady
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> To: k7uij at panix.com
>> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:08:50 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:08:50 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: fdf4d746-5fc6-4e4e-96b4-212c5060890b@samobile.net

I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
Her sugars are lower.
The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or 
cure ya you bet.

Original message:
> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the item for
> something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon works, I may
> have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:09:58 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:09:58 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 87041044-99ca-4223-82ad-5abb5808f83b@samobile.net

OK I get it now.
They did this to my brother.
Won't say more.

Original message:
> Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the person
> feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often provide part of
> the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the
> control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those in
> the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not take the
> medication and the pill they took was sugar.

> Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a sugar
> pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>>> bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:11:55 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: ee8e980b-ca67-4bb8-8370-5e970c9e75b2@samobile.net

No Dar, we don't have trader Joe's here in Canada. It was my friend 
Kathleen who told me about the chocolate potato chips.
Do you have trader Joe's in Billings? I've never heard you mention it.
Linda.



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:14:23 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 9f0c3e13-837c-4c0f-a96e-c8fe478fd93f@samobile.net

the same thing goes for eggs, which are a good source of proteen if you 
don't eat much meat.
The way I figure it, something's going to get me someday. I just pray 
to God it isn't alzheimer's.
Linda.



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:15:36 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:15:36 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: fdf4d746-5fc6-4e4e-96b4-212c5060890b@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP354B1C643A0982457C70B8EC4F80@phx.gbl>

Is it really the cinnamon though? How can one really know this for sure?

I have heard that certain spices can act as an appetite suppressant, so
perhaps this is the real reason behind lower glucose levels. Just a
guess.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:09 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
Her sugars are lower.
The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or 
cure ya you bet.

Original message:
> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the 
> item for something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon 
> works, I may have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many 
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies 
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I 
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this 
>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel 
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: 
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek 
>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark 
>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: 
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek 
>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones. 
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer 
>>> of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because 
>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen

>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,

>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

>>> _______________________________________________
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:16:19 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:16:19 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I love cinnamon, so could do this.  Hey, whether it works or not, it tastes 
really good--and I don't know of negative effects.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Well when I shared with my diabetic coordinator she shared she did the
same thing, my doctor does the same thing.
So guess we are all goofy here in Montana giggle.
We read this on google.

Original message:
> A placebo is something that, when taken, has an effect upon a person 
> simply
> by virtue of the fact that he/she *believes* it will work. Example: 
> powdered
> rhino horn in China as an aphrodisiac. Kind of tough on the poor rhinos,
> though, especially as there's no such effect. <g>

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:06 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>>> bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:20:27 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:20:27 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <513269ce.e5b7320a.61bd.ffffa3fcSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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Me, too!  When microwave ovens were first on the market, I wanted one.  And 
I didn't want one that didn't have the probe and that came with a ddial.  I 
wanted the one where you touched the numbers.  I know, I know--not 
accessible.  But the oven beeped when you touched a number, and at that time 
the numbers were slightly raised and they were in little squares, which 
could also be felt.  So I learned to set my time by very carefully working 
my way around the edges and between them.  I learned this because, when we 
went to the store, the salesperson said "Oh, you won't want that one. 
You'll want this nice one over here that's accessible."  Should I have 
followed his advice?  Probably--but that's definitely not my nature!  Say 
"You can't possibly do that," and I'll figure out a way!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


yes Sandy, this was one of the things I shared with my family as well.
That I wouldn't go blind being a diabetic.
I admire all of you who have gone blind being a diabetic in this case,
still laughing and moving rite along.
I'm to mean not to do so.
If someone says Dar can't do something, trust me with in reason I let
them know I can.
They have learned not to say it.
Or I will ignore them and do it anyway.
As I share it is dars way.

Original message:
> I've always had prostheses, and have had a couple of doctors look into my
> eyes, too.  And when I got a new doctor a couple of years ago, I told her
> "Well, we know one thing for sure.  I won't go blind from diabetes." 
> There
> was a long pause, and she said "Oh?"  I told her I've been blind all my 
> life
> from retinoblastoma, so diabetes can't do that to me!  Then we had a good
> laugh.

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision 
> in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be 
> hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because 
> I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights 
> were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing 
> changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light 
> detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for 
>> diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes
> from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.

>> _______________________________________________
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:21:09 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: f6ddf7b7-5e1c-4d74-8586-b46ac64173b5@samobile.net

You know if I had to question everything then I would be a very sad lady..

I know what my nujmbers do, where I have to believe my meeter.
If I couldn't believe that for the most part, then I wouldn't have to 
test at all.
Oh well, some folks just enjoy having something to be unhappy about.
Especially science.
If everything was good, they wouldn't have a job. loll.

Original message:
> Is it really the cinnamon though? How can one really know this for sure?

> I have heard that certain spices can act as an appetite suppressant, so
> perhaps this is the real reason behind lower glucose levels. Just a
> guess.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:09 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
> Her sugars are lower.
> The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or
> cure ya you bet.

> Original message:
>> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the
>> item for something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon
>> works, I may have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this
>>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark
>>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer
>>>> of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because
>>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen

>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,

>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:22:12 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:22:12 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Those are all things I'd have told you too.  Sounds like folk medicine, but 
it works.  And peppermint makes me really sick when I'm nauseated!  When I 
was a kid, the first thing my mother did to try to avoid regurgitation was 
give me Peptobismol.  It worked every time--I'd lose everything in my 
stomach!  She never did understand that!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
> liquids or drink from a straw.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
> I'm
> only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied
>
>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>>
>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find
>>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>>
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 21:22:46 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 16:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 636e5c16-55fd-4f18-bb03-8cdfa726d6f2@samobile.net

For the person who asked the question, yes it is ginger which helps 
with nausea, which is why people are told to take it, preferably flat, 
so either regular or sugar free would help. Natural graval has ginger in it.
Linda.



From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:23:14 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:23:14 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Ginger does help, too.  You're right.  I'm thinking soda in general!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>I thought it was the ginger that helped nausea.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> Hi Bridgit,
>
> Well, I'm not sure exactly, but what I learned was that salt and sugar
> are
> the elements in the foods that actually control nausea.  One part of it
> is
> putting something--anything--in your stomach that won't come back right
> away.  But sugar and salt both help hold water in the body, so it may
> have
> to do with hydration, too.  I suspect the effect from the diet gingerale
> is
> an effect of the carbonation.  And if there's some placebo effect--if it
>
> works--so what?  Keep doing it!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all
>> times as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and
>> the older I get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I
>
>> think it's the light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus
>
>> problems. I have to wear sunglasses most the time even around the
>> house. And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my
>> point being diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just
>> psychological then?
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>> It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the
>> sugar--diet doesn't do it!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme
>>> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate
>>> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it
>>> towards
>>
>>> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and
>>> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing
>>> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things
>
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of limestone lady
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>>> To: k7uij at panix.com
>>> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>>
>>>
>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find
>>> out. Lol! Linda.
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 21:28:55 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:28:55 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP354B1C643A0982457C70B8EC4F80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP354B1C643A0982457C70B8EC4F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D8F2D4D2ED5949A08E99D59E0D17B332@SandiPC>

That's likely part of it.  I'll see what I can find about it.  I'm curious 
now, too!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Is it really the cinnamon though? How can one really know this for sure?

I have heard that certain spices can act as an appetite suppressant, so
perhaps this is the real reason behind lower glucose levels. Just a
guess.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:09 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
Her sugars are lower.
The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or
cure ya you bet.

Original message:
> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the
> item for something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon
> works, I may have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this
>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark
>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer
>>> of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because
>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen

>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,

>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From nightingale at pcdesk.net  Sat Mar  2 21:38:29 2013
From: nightingale at pcdesk.net (Lauren B. Hunter)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 14:38:29 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
References: fdf4d746-5fc6-4e4e-96b4-212c5060890b@samobile.net
Message-ID: <51327155.9050001@pcdesk.net>


   I too have heard of cinnamon being beneficial.  I like putting 
cinnamon in my tea, and I also like cinnamon water.  It certainly does 
have a specific taste.
LaurenOn 3/2/2013 2:08 PM, d m gina wrote:
> I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
> Her sugars are lower.
> The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or 
> cure ya you bet.
>
> Original message:
>> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the 
>> item for
>> something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon works, I may
>> have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?
>
>> Mike Freeman
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this 
>>> ring a
>>> bell to anyone else?
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.
>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica
>
>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica
>
>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>>>> Up with jalapenos!
>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone
>
>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
>
>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.
>
>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.
>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.
>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sat Mar  2 21:44:33 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 21:48:53 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:48:53 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <4CA7B6422E36459FBBBFADF979F28435@SandiPC>
References: 0964d1ea-6744-4300-b6a2-7e64a5f8c8b1@samobile.net<000901ce1778$b45c5f30$1d151d90$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<002a01ce177a$5454dde0$fcfe99a0$@gmail.com>
	<4CA7B6422E36459FBBBFADF979F28435@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <001701ce178f$bbd69ed0$3383dc70$@panix.com>

Sandi has already heard this story as I think I used it at the Iowa
convention -- or was it the national convention or Missouri convention, but
...

I had a normal A1C in the summer of 2004 and landed in the hospital in
March, 2005, in DKA. I wasn't quite comatose but was getting there quickly.
A young ophthalmologist was looking in my left eye and was obviously
puzzled. I came out of the fog long enough to say to him: Sir! If I've got
diabetic retinopathy in that eye, you should tell me PDQ because I'll be in
a world of hurt because that eye is a silicone implant!" The guy jumped back
about three feet, quite chagrined, both because he didn't catch it and
because he didn't expect someone in DKA to have a sense of humor. I got
quite a belly-laugh out of the whole thing, even as they installed me in a
private room and started ramming the insulin and fluids to me!

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've always had prostheses, and have had a couple of doctors look into my 
eyes, too.  And when I got a new doctor a couple of years ago, I told her 
"Well, we know one thing for sure.  I won't go blind from diabetes."  There 
was a long pause, and she said "Oh?"  I told her I've been blind all my life

from retinoblastoma, so diabetes can't do that to me!  Then we had a good 
laugh.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 21:51:47 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:51:47 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <4CBC8A5FBEFE4850ADD7C50512F93AF9@SandiPC>
References: <51325bba.06602b0a.7b40.1afeSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<4CBC8A5FBEFE4850ADD7C50512F93AF9@SandiPC>
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I agree with that. But then we shouldn't charge them an arm and a leg for a
placebo. But perhaps that would ruin the effect. Why not place all the
surplus income from marketing placebos into food banks or something?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:44 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the person 
feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often provide part of

the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the 
control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those in 
the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not take the 
medication and the pill they took was sugar.

Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a sugar 
pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Brake the word down for me pluscebo
Thanks,
You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
drank the fifth.
Giggle.

Original message:
> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of

> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 21:54:37 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:54:37 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <4F7831B492F64D5EA4CB6DF4DF792DEB@SandiPC>
References: <BLU0-SMTP3163CC04F856444F6DBDBDAC4F80@phx.gbl><AC9EE1171EF540D9A75325E203858840@SandiPC>	<001501ce1786$0a249830$1e6dc890$@panix.com>
	<4F7831B492F64D5EA4CB6DF4DF792DEB@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <001901ce1790$89289230$9b79b690$@panix.com>

Yup. Though it would appear that coffee is coming out on the positive side
-- finally. So I drink a lot of it and am certain that even though I have
LADA, I won't get Type 2. (har)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

That's why I mentioned cinnamon in my coffee.  Coffee has been the same way.

One day it'll kill you, make you have small babies, and curl your hair.  The

next it's the best thing since sliced bread.  As with coffee, I eat cinnamon

in moderation (especially since it started making my tongue really sore), 
and enjoy both.  But that's the biggest problem with our research 
today--every little finding is trumpeted throughout the land, and when 
things are found not to do what we presumed at first, that knowledge is 
quietly swept under the rug.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


There are studies that appear to confirm that but about the time one
concludes that cinnamon might be of benefit to diabetics, out comes another
study that flat contradicts its effectiveness. It's this sort of thing that
makes me a confirmed skeptic.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've heard that about lots of things.  I suspect that, if it's true, it's
because you can eat less of something and be satisfied if it contains
cinnamon.  I think I've read somewhere that it helps with diabetes, too--but

I can't place that right now.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 21:59:46 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:59:46 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
liquids or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm 
only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 22:05:23 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:05:23 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I like eggs also. Turns out they're a wash as far as "good" and "bad"
cholesterol are concerned so there's no need to worry. Not that it has
really been proven that cholesterol is the cause of heart disease.

Now what was it we were talking about? <g>

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
limestone lady
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:14 PM
To: sjryan2 at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

the same thing goes for eggs, which are a good source of proteen if you 
don't eat much meat.
The way I figure it, something's going to get me someday. I just pray 
to God it isn't alzheimer's.
Linda.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 22:06:58 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:06:58 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I doubt, therefore I might be.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:21 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know if I had to question everything then I would be a very sad lady..

I know what my nujmbers do, where I have to believe my meeter.
If I couldn't believe that for the most part, then I wouldn't have to 
test at all.
Oh well, some folks just enjoy having something to be unhappy about.
Especially science.
If everything was good, they wouldn't have a job. loll.

Original message:
> Is it really the cinnamon though? How can one really know this for sure?

> I have heard that certain spices can act as an appetite suppressant, so
> perhaps this is the real reason behind lower glucose levels. Just a
> guess.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:09 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
> Her sugars are lower.
> The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or
> cure ya you bet.

> Original message:
>> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the
>> item for something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon
>> works, I may have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this
>>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark
>>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer
>>>> of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because
>>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen

>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,

>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 22:08:21 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:08:21 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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What's "graval"?

Mike Freeman


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Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:23 PM
To: sjryan2 at gmail.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

For the person who asked the question, yes it is ginger which helps with
nausea, which is why people are told to take it, preferably flat, so either
regular or sugar free would help. Natural graval has ginger in it.
Linda.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 22:10:56 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:10:56 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
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????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:24:21 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:24:21 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001b01ce1791$414af010$c3e0d030$@panix.com>
References: <5277DC3102A640BC89F5FF071B996386@SandiPC><BLU0-SMTP3636077C0B5812F54B8D241C4F80@phx.gbl>
	<001b01ce1791$414af010$c3e0d030$@panix.com>
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I believe it's the effect drinking through a straw has on one's gag reflex.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
> barfing all over the floor?
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
> liquids or drink from a straw.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
> I'm
> only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied
>
>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>>
>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find
>>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:25:53 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:25:53 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I like that positive attitude!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Yup. Though it would appear that coffee is coming out on the positive side
-- finally. So I drink a lot of it and am certain that even though I have
LADA, I won't get Type 2. (har)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

That's why I mentioned cinnamon in my coffee.  Coffee has been the same way.

One day it'll kill you, make you have small babies, and curl your hair.  The

next it's the best thing since sliced bread.  As with coffee, I eat cinnamon

in moderation (especially since it started making my tongue really sore),
and enjoy both.  But that's the biggest problem with our research
today--every little finding is trumpeted throughout the land, and when
things are found not to do what we presumed at first, that knowledge is
quietly swept under the rug.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


There are studies that appear to confirm that but about the time one
concludes that cinnamon might be of benefit to diabetics, out comes another
study that flat contradicts its effectiveness. It's this sort of thing that
makes me a confirmed skeptic.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've heard that about lots of things.  I suspect that, if it's true, it's
because you can eat less of something and be satisfied if it contains
cinnamon.  I think I've read somewhere that it helps with diabetes, too--but

I can't place that right now.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
bell to anyone else?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 22:30:47 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: a870323f-6b99-465e-bb88-c89a26526754@samobile.net

I drink my 22 ounce cup of coffee threw a straw.
After I fell down the stairs, it is hard for me at times to tilt my 
head back far enough to get all of what I am drinking.
This solves problem.

Original message:
> I believe it's the effect drinking through a straw has on one's gag reflex.

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
>> barfing all over the floor?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
>> liquids or drink from a straw.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
>> I'm
>> only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

>>> as are the people who get morning sickness.

>>> Icecream and pickles anyone?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Especially if you dip it in salt!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find
>>>> out. Lol! Linda.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:33:18 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:33:18 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001801ce1790$23aea2a0$6b0be7e0$@panix.com>
References: <51325bba.06602b0a.7b40.1afeSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com><4CBC8A5FBEFE4850ADD7C50512F93AF9@SandiPC>
	<001801ce1790$23aea2a0$6b0be7e0$@panix.com>
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Unfortunately, many of the pills and potions marketed in drugstores and on 
TV are not just sugar pills, which might have implications for us, but not 
necessarily everybody.  There are ingredients in over-the-counter 
medications that either don't work or can do harm, or interact with 
prescription medications and foods in harmful ways.  There are herbs and 
other supplements sold to cure everything that ails one, and some of those 
"natural" substances are dangerous.  And many more of them have no effect on 
health.

One of my favorite sayings is "You want natural; strychnine is natural.  You 
want strychnine?"

The danger in the lemon piece from yesterday isn't that people will eat lots 
of lemons--so far as I know lemons in any quantity anyone could eat are not 
harmful.  The danger is that someone reading that piece will give up 
chemotherapy that is helping, and die from trying out this bogus, or at 
least unproven,  thing.  And the same is true of cinnamon.  As long as you 
take your medication and follow your plan along with the cinnamon, more 
power to you.  The danger is that someone will hear about it and, because 
it's "natural," will give up things we know work for something they've heard 
about.

Sorry--end of lecture!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I agree with that. But then we shouldn't charge them an arm and a leg for a
placebo. But perhaps that would ruin the effect. Why not place all the
surplus income from marketing placebos into food banks or something?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:44 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the person
feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often provide part of

the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the
control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those in
the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not take the
medication and the pill they took was sugar.

Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a sugar
pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Brake the word down for me pluscebo
Thanks,
You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
drank the fifth.
Giggle.

Original message:
> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of

> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
> I know it helps the heart.

> Original message:
>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>> bell to anyone else?

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.

>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

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>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone

>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes from.

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during the
>>> day.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:34:01 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:34:01 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <51327de8.c628320a.1381.ffffead4SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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It's fine to drink through a straw if you're not nauseated.  I drink through 
straws much of the time, too!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>I drink my 22 ounce cup of coffee threw a straw.
> After I fell down the stairs, it is hard for me at times to tilt my head 
> back far enough to get all of what I am drinking.
> This solves problem.
>
> Original message:
>> I believe it's the effect drinking through a straw has on one's gag 
>> reflex.
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
>>> barfing all over the floor?
>
>>> Mike Freeman
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>>> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
>>> liquids or drink from a straw.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
>>> I'm
>>> only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied
>
>>>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
>>>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>>>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find
>>>>> out. Lol! Linda.
>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:35:54 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:35:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001701ce178f$bbd69ed0$3383dc70$@panix.com>
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	<001701ce178f$bbd69ed0$3383dc70$@panix.com>
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I do remember that story--it's great!  One of my doctors, after I told him 
my eyes were plastic, looked again.  So I popped one out for him!  I do know 
what's in my head!  He was fascinated, and was my doctor for nearly 30 
years.  A Type 1, by the way!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Sandi has already heard this story as I think I used it at the Iowa
convention -- or was it the national convention or Missouri convention, but
...

I had a normal A1C in the summer of 2004 and landed in the hospital in
March, 2005, in DKA. I wasn't quite comatose but was getting there quickly.
A young ophthalmologist was looking in my left eye and was obviously
puzzled. I came out of the fog long enough to say to him: Sir! If I've got
diabetic retinopathy in that eye, you should tell me PDQ because I'll be in
a world of hurt because that eye is a silicone implant!" The guy jumped back
about three feet, quite chagrined, both because he didn't catch it and
because he didn't expect someone in DKA to have a sense of humor. I got
quite a belly-laugh out of the whole thing, even as they installed me in a
private room and started ramming the insulin and fluids to me!

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I've always had prostheses, and have had a couple of doctors look into my
eyes, too.  And when I got a new doctor a couple of years ago, I told her
"Well, we know one thing for sure.  I won't go blind from diabetes."  There
was a long pause, and she said "Oh?"  I told her I've been blind all my life

from retinoblastoma, so diabetes can't do that to me!  Then we had a good
laugh.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 22:40:02 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: fd470730-6b13-486f-84a6-50a0feb81d84@samobile.net

I don't believe anything that snokes has to offer.
Who ever runs that, loves to babble.
That is what is fun on behalf of everyone, the gift to decide what is 
good and isn't.

Original message:
> Unfortunately, many of the pills and potions marketed in drugstores and on
> TV are not just sugar pills, which might have implications for us, but not
> necessarily everybody.  There are ingredients in over-the-counter
> medications that either don't work or can do harm, or interact with
> prescription medications and foods in harmful ways.  There are herbs and
> other supplements sold to cure everything that ails one, and some of those
> "natural" substances are dangerous.  And many more of them have no effect on
> health.

> One of my favorite sayings is "You want natural; strychnine is natural.  You
> want strychnine?"

> The danger in the lemon piece from yesterday isn't that people will eat lots
> of lemons--so far as I know lemons in any quantity anyone could eat are not
> harmful.  The danger is that someone reading that piece will give up
> chemotherapy that is helping, and die from trying out this bogus, or at
> least unproven,  thing.  And the same is true of cinnamon.  As long as you
> take your medication and follow your plan along with the cinnamon, more
> power to you.  The danger is that someone will hear about it and, because
> it's "natural," will give up things we know work for something they've heard
> about.

> Sorry--end of lecture!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I agree with that. But then we shouldn't charge them an arm and a leg for a
> placebo. But perhaps that would ruin the effect. Why not place all the
> surplus income from marketing placebos into food banks or something?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:44 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the person
> feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often provide part of

> the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the
> control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those in
> the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not take the
> medication and the pill they took was sugar.

> Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a sugar
> pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of

>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this ring a
>>> bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because the
>>>>>> lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

>>>> _______________________________________________
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 22:43:09 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:43:09 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <002101ce1767$a2835770$e78a0650$@panix.com>
References: <51312931.c99d2a0a.3f16.39abSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>	<A12A6820DAA74D99B053458AECF5DAD4@SandiPC><329C876B-12CC-4697-8FC3-CC8E1C891119@panix.com>	<001c01ce16d6$70c53d70$524fb850$@laurelcreekmusic.com><DA10C20234054CCEA43EB3CEA5CFB6C5@SandiPC>	<00de01ce16f6$bad76fd0$30864f70$@panix.com><AA248B0995024F8EB7FB3AD0980A1654@SandiPC>
	<002101ce1767$a2835770$e78a0650$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BC2253A5301A4ECD8D0FDB91F5C64986@SandiPC>

Tell someone who makes chocolates--maybe you'd start a trend!  I have a son 
who'd go along with you!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Actually, I'm kind of disappointed. I like "poppers" -- roasted jalape?os,
either with or without breading so I was hoping the Powers That Be could
somehow coat them with chocolate. Ah well.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

No, they aren't chocolate-covered jalapenos.  The jalapenos are pureed (I
assume), and mixed directly into the chocolate.  So you get the flavor.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate with
jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.>
Veronica

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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Up with jalapenos!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.  The
article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an excellent
fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of the skin in
your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness comes from.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it really the
>>> lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological element happening?
>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen your
>>> energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, which
>>> usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, the more
>>> likely you are to experience higher levels of energy during the day.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me more
>>> than I can share.
>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar  2 23:02:39 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:02:39 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: fd470730-6b13-486f-84a6-50a0feb81d84@samobile.net
References: fd470730-6b13-486f-84a6-50a0feb81d84@samobile.net
Message-ID: <003d01ce179a$0a1ba770$1e52f650$@panix.com>

I completely disagree. Snopes is one of the *few* reliable Internet sites
around.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:40 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I don't believe anything that snokes has to offer.
Who ever runs that, loves to babble.
That is what is fun on behalf of everyone, the gift to decide what is good
and isn't.

Original message:
> Unfortunately, many of the pills and potions marketed in drugstores 
> and on TV are not just sugar pills, which might have implications for 
> us, but not necessarily everybody.  There are ingredients in 
> over-the-counter medications that either don't work or can do harm, or 
> interact with prescription medications and foods in harmful ways.  
> There are herbs and other supplements sold to cure everything that 
> ails one, and some of those "natural" substances are dangerous.  And 
> many more of them have no effect on health.

> One of my favorite sayings is "You want natural; strychnine is 
> natural.  You want strychnine?"

> The danger in the lemon piece from yesterday isn't that people will 
> eat lots of lemons--so far as I know lemons in any quantity anyone 
> could eat are not harmful.  The danger is that someone reading that 
> piece will give up chemotherapy that is helping, and die from trying 
> out this bogus, or at least unproven,  thing.  And the same is true of 
> cinnamon.  As long as you take your medication and follow your plan 
> along with the cinnamon, more power to you.  The danger is that 
> someone will hear about it and, because it's "natural," will give up 
> things we know work for something they've heard about.

> Sorry--end of lecture!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I agree with that. But then we shouldn't charge them an arm and a leg 
> for a placebo. But perhaps that would ruin the effect. Why not place 
> all the surplus income from marketing placebos into food banks or
something?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:44 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the 
> person feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often 
> provide part of

> the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the 
> control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those 
> in the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not 
> take the medication and the pill they took was sugar.

> Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a 
> sugar pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I 
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many 
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies 
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of

>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I 
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this 
>>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel 
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: 
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek 
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark 
>>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: 
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek 
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer 
>>>> of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" 
>>>>> <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because 
>>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may 
>>>>>>> lessen your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse 
>>>>>>> the body, which usually gives you more energy. So the more water 
>>>>>>> you drink, the more likely you are to experience higher levels 
>>>>>>> of energy during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 23:08:02 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 0fdf6a3e-a79a-499d-8f5a-9c08f5d980c4@samobile.net

When you drink out of a straw, you usually take in air, which could 
give you gas and well go figure. It is also suggested that drinking 
from a straw isn't reccommended for folks with irritable bowel syndrome 
for that reason.
Linda.



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 23:10:55 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:10:55 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 8fb5fd25-9e32-4883-92f3-8ba246e264ca@samobile.net

Don't you guys have gravall in the states? You usually take it for 
motion sickness, and I believe it is a member of the antihistamine family.
Linda.



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  2 23:15:52 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
Message-ID: 378143a0-5f88-42df-ade2-2467c9fbeb11@samobile.net

So, what do you all think about ginseng? I was never able to find out 
much about it and keep forgetting to ask my endo, but there was quite a 
study, called the canadian ginseng project to test ginseng as a natural 
diabetic medication.
Linda.



From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 00:35:54 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 18:35:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <51328718.430b2b0a.20c5.ffffc6d1SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <51328718.430b2b0a.20c5.ffffc6d1SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <871B202532894D689FF1BD0D0CA6558C@SandiPC>

At least last I knew, our drug like that was called Dramamine.

Sandi

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To: <k7uij at panix.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Don't you guys have gravall in the states? You usually take it for motion 
> sickness, and I believe it is a member of the antihistamine family.
> Linda.
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 00:39:49 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 18:39:49 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <003d01ce179a$0a1ba770$1e52f650$@panix.com>
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	<003d01ce179a$0a1ba770$1e52f650$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <6162B5D4E32E4E86A0671FD3667ADBD3@SandiPC>

Right.  Adults can always make their own decisions about what they do, but 
when you want the truth about something, Snopes is one of several sites that 
does give reliable factual information.  And I have to tell you, they refute 
some pretty bizarre stuff!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I completely disagree. Snopes is one of the *few* reliable Internet sites
around.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:40 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I don't believe anything that snokes has to offer.
Who ever runs that, loves to babble.
That is what is fun on behalf of everyone, the gift to decide what is good
and isn't.

Original message:
> Unfortunately, many of the pills and potions marketed in drugstores
> and on TV are not just sugar pills, which might have implications for
> us, but not necessarily everybody.  There are ingredients in
> over-the-counter medications that either don't work or can do harm, or
> interact with prescription medications and foods in harmful ways.
> There are herbs and other supplements sold to cure everything that
> ails one, and some of those "natural" substances are dangerous.  And
> many more of them have no effect on health.

> One of my favorite sayings is "You want natural; strychnine is
> natural.  You want strychnine?"

> The danger in the lemon piece from yesterday isn't that people will
> eat lots of lemons--so far as I know lemons in any quantity anyone
> could eat are not harmful.  The danger is that someone reading that
> piece will give up chemotherapy that is helping, and die from trying
> out this bogus, or at least unproven,  thing.  And the same is true of
> cinnamon.  As long as you take your medication and follow your plan
> along with the cinnamon, more power to you.  The danger is that
> someone will hear about it and, because it's "natural," will give up
> things we know work for something they've heard about.

> Sorry--end of lecture!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I agree with that. But then we shouldn't charge them an arm and a leg
> for a placebo. But perhaps that would ruin the effect. Why not place
> all the surplus income from marketing placebos into food banks or
something?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:44 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the
> person feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often
> provide part of

> the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the
> control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those
> in the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not
> take the medication and the pill they took was sugar.

> Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a
> sugar pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of

>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this
>>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark
>>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer
>>>> of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina"
>>>>> <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because
>>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may
>>>>>>> lessen your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse
>>>>>>> the body, which usually gives you more energy. So the more water
>>>>>>> you drink, the more likely you are to experience higher levels
>>>>>>> of energy during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar  3 01:05:37 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:05:37 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
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m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar  3 01:08:30 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:08:30 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 8fb5fd25-9e32-4883-92f3-8ba246e264ca@samobile.net
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Message-ID: <000501ce17ab$9ee81760$dcb84620$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Linda, I've never heard of gravel, except for what is out in my back yard.
So, what is it? Very interesting.
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
limestone lady
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:11 PM
To: k7uij at panix.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Don't you guys have gravall in the states? You usually take it for 
motion sickness, and I believe it is a member of the antihistamine family.
Linda.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 01:08:54 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:08:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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My sweety, also a diabetic, has occasional stomach trouble and she swears by
ginger.  

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Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I thought it was the ginger that helped nausea.

Bridgit

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Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hi Bridgit,

Well, I'm not sure exactly, but what I learned was that salt and sugar are
the elements in the foods that actually control nausea.  One part of it is
putting something--anything--in your stomach that won't come back right
away.  But sugar and salt both help hold water in the body, so it may have
to do with hydration, too.  I suspect the effect from the diet gingerale is
an effect of the carbonation.  And if there's some placebo effect--if it

works--so what?  Keep doing it!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Interesting... Why the sugar? I do keep diet ginger-ale around at all 
> times as since my teens I have experienced nausea in the morning, and 
> the older I get, the more migraines I'm getting. Now that I'm blind, I

> think it's the light perception causing a lot of sensitivity and sinus

> problems. I have to wear sunglasses most the time even around the 
> house. And I can't troll thing up anymore with Baby, grin. Anyway, my 
> point being diet ginger-ale usually seems to help a bit. Is this just 
> psychological then?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:30 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
> It was the crackers, Bridgit.  In the gingerale, what works is the 
> sugar--diet doesn't do it!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Wish I would have known that 14 months ago, grin. I had extreme 
>> morning sickness during my first trimester. I had what Princess Kate 
>> Middleton has. It was terrible. I ended up in hospital with it 
>> towards
>
>> the end of my first trimester. The traditional diet ginger-ale and 
>> soda crackers were what worked for me. That's really the only thing 
>> that worked, and even then it wasn't a cure-all. Tried several things

>> though.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of limestone lady
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> To: k7uij at panix.com
>> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 01:16:09 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:16:09 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
bother.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

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????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
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????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


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m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 01:17:15 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:17:15 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <6162B5D4E32E4E86A0671FD3667ADBD3@SandiPC>
References: fd470730-6b13-486f-84a6-50a0feb81d84@samobile.net	<003d01ce179a$0a1ba770$1e52f650$@panix.com>
	<6162B5D4E32E4E86A0671FD3667ADBD3@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <005e01ce17ac$d7c811b0$87583510$@panix.com>

Another such site that's good is <http://www.truthorfiction.com>. 

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:40 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Right.  Adults can always make their own decisions about what they do, but 
when you want the truth about something, Snopes is one of several sites that

does give reliable factual information.  And I have to tell you, they refute

some pretty bizarre stuff!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I completely disagree. Snopes is one of the *few* reliable Internet sites
around.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:40 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I don't believe anything that snokes has to offer.
Who ever runs that, loves to babble.
That is what is fun on behalf of everyone, the gift to decide what is good
and isn't.

Original message:
> Unfortunately, many of the pills and potions marketed in drugstores
> and on TV are not just sugar pills, which might have implications for
> us, but not necessarily everybody.  There are ingredients in
> over-the-counter medications that either don't work or can do harm, or
> interact with prescription medications and foods in harmful ways.
> There are herbs and other supplements sold to cure everything that
> ails one, and some of those "natural" substances are dangerous.  And
> many more of them have no effect on health.

> One of my favorite sayings is "You want natural; strychnine is
> natural.  You want strychnine?"

> The danger in the lemon piece from yesterday isn't that people will
> eat lots of lemons--so far as I know lemons in any quantity anyone
> could eat are not harmful.  The danger is that someone reading that
> piece will give up chemotherapy that is helping, and die from trying
> out this bogus, or at least unproven,  thing.  And the same is true of
> cinnamon.  As long as you take your medication and follow your plan
> along with the cinnamon, more power to you.  The danger is that
> someone will hear about it and, because it's "natural," will give up
> things we know work for something they've heard about.

> Sorry--end of lecture!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I agree with that. But then we shouldn't charge them an arm and a leg
> for a placebo. But perhaps that would ruin the effect. Why not place
> all the surplus income from marketing placebos into food banks or
something?

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:44 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Placebo is a word that means there are no physical effects, but the
> person feels better anyway.  In controlled trials, scientists often
> provide part of

> the group the new medication, and then give the rest of the group (the
> control group) the placebo (sugar pill often).  There are always those
> in the control group who claim improvements, even though they did not
> take the medication and the pill they took was sugar.

> Lately, people are starting to say "So what?  If people can take a
> sugar pill and feel better, how can we argue with that?"

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Brake the word down for me pluscebo
> Thanks,
> You asked that last night, where I didn't want to say anything, so I
> drank the fifth.
> Giggle.

> Original message:
>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of

>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this
>>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark
>>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer
>>>> of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina"
>>>>> <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because
>>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may
>>>>>>> lessen your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse
>>>>>>> the body, which usually gives you more energy. So the more water
>>>>>>> you drink, the more likely you are to experience higher levels
>>>>>>> of energy during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 01:19:10 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:19:10 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <871B202532894D689FF1BD0D0CA6558C@SandiPC>
References: <51328718.430b2b0a.20c5.ffffc6d1SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<871B202532894D689FF1BD0D0CA6558C@SandiPC>
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That's one of them. There's another with an "ine" ending that I can't
remember.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

At least last I knew, our drug like that was called Dramamine.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <k7uij at panix.com>
Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Don't you guys have gravall in the states? You usually take it for motion 
> sickness, and I believe it is a member of the antihistamine family.
> Linda.
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar  3 01:20:14 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (Dmgina)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 18:20:14 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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	<000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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Yes had a lady tell me I should be ashamed of myself working a dog when I could see. 
The lady follow me all the way to the phone company in the mall, still telling me how ashamed I should be. I turned around taking my eye out, she screamed. 
Even the guard laughed. 


Dar
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Every sinner has a future 


On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com> wrote:

> Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
> they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
> of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
> muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
> Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
> through that bit, it has really been nice.
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
> misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
> Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
> eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
> said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
> life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
> anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
> medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
> patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
> Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
> himself. Go figure!
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
> mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> My left eye broke down like that.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.
> 
> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!
> 
>> Mike
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
> 
>> Sandi
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> Up with jalapenos!
> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
>> comes
> from.
> 
>>> Sandi
> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
> 
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.
> 
>>>>> Bridgit
> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.
> 
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 01:20:43 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:20:43 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>
	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <001601ce17ad$542fe890$fc8fb9b0$@com>

My experience was much like Mike's in that I think my doctor would have
performed the surgery had I told him to do so.  He was a very nice man, and
probably a better doctor than I made him out to be.  We were in a bit of a
jam in that we lived way up in northern MI in the 1980's -- no catscan for
100 miles.  The eye only came out when it puffed up and they were afraid the
infection had spread.  Truth be told, I don't think they had any idea of
what they'd find when they anucliated the eye.

Also like Mike, I could not believe how good I felt after the eye was gone.
I walked around for months with a big silly grin because I wasn't hurting
any more.

Sorry to write a novel -- I'll cease and desist, but as a note to any of you
who are struggling with a painful blind eye, removal is something to be
considered.  I wish they had done the other one while they were at it.



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 01:21:43 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:21:43 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: 378143a0-5f88-42df-ade2-2467c9fbeb11@samobile.net
References: 378143a0-5f88-42df-ade2-2467c9fbeb11@samobile.net
Message-ID: <006201ce17ad$780f9030$682eb090$@panix.com>

Might mellow you out but don't think it ultimately has much of an effect
upon blood sugar. Your mileage may vary.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
limestone lady
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:16 PM
To: sjryan2 at gmail.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

So, what do you all think about ginseng? I was never able to find out 
much about it and keep forgetting to ask my endo, but there was quite a 
study, called the canadian ginseng project to test ginseng as a natural 
diabetic medication.
Linda.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 01:25:46 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:25:46 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Stupid Joke (was whole lemons)
In-Reply-To: <002201ce1792$428612b0$c7923810$@panix.com>
References: f6ddf7b7-5e1c-4d74-8586-b46ac64173b5@samobile.net
	<002201ce1792$428612b0$c7923810$@panix.com>
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And then did you hear the joke ... Rene Descartes walks into a bar.  The bar
keep says "Like a drink".  Rene says "I think not..." and promptly vanishes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I doubt, therefore I might be.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:21 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know if I had to question everything then I would be a very sad lady..

I know what my nujmbers do, where I have to believe my meeter.
If I couldn't believe that for the most part, then I wouldn't have to test
at all.
Oh well, some folks just enjoy having something to be unhappy about.
Especially science.
If everything was good, they wouldn't have a job. loll.

Original message:
> Is it really the cinnamon though? How can one really know this for sure?

> I have heard that certain spices can act as an appetite suppressant, 
> so perhaps this is the real reason behind lower glucose levels. Just a 
> guess.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:09 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> I have a friend who has a teaspoon of cinnamon each day.
> Her sugars are lower.
> The bite it has going down, will do one of two things, kill ya, ha or 
> cure ya you bet.

> Original message:
>> And that one study shows some effects and everyone starts using the 
>> item for something?  We are a supplement-crazy society!  If cinnamon 
>> works, I may have to start putting cinnamon in my coffee!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Actually, the evidence on this is mixed: there are about as many 
>> medically-valid studies that show cinnamon has *no* effect as studies 
>> showing it is beneficial. Again, can you say "pluscebo"?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:52 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I know it lowers sugar numbers, that is all I know.
>> I do a cinnamon capsel twice a day.
>> I know it helps the heart.

>> Original message:
>>> Maybe I'm crazy, which very well may be true, grin, but I thought I 
>>> heard somewhere that cinnamon can help you lose weight. Does this 
>>> ring a bell to anyone else?

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>>> Just wonderful stuff.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
>>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
>>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
>>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man, that stuff will make anything feel 
>>>> better. It just has to be good for diabetes! <drool!> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek 
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark 
>>>> chocolate with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek 
>>>> Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>>> Up with jalapenos!

>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>>> The
>>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
>>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer 
>>>> of

>>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
>>>> comes from.

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" 
>>>>> <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this. Because 
>>>>>> the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>>>>> element
>>>> happening?
>>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may 
>>>>>>> lessen

>>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you 
>>>>>>> drink,

>>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>>>>> during the
>>>> day.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>>>>> more than I can share. I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 01:34:54 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:34:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>
	<000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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Really?  I wonder if I had a different procedure because there was no pain
whatsoever, and as I said, the eye and surrounding tissue were badly
compromised by infection.  I'm interested in this, but maybe I should take
it off list?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 01:38:54 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:38:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <E8F13608-456F-42AF-8E89-EF42707EB8C6@samobile.net>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>	<000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<E8F13608-456F-42AF-8E89-EF42707EB8C6@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <001901ce17af$dde57080$99b05180$@com>

That is great!  The closest thing like that for me was a security guard who didn't believe I was blind.  I offered to pop it out for him, and he stammered something and backed off.  I'm still laughing -- way to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dmgina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:20 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Yes had a lady tell me I should be ashamed of myself working a dog when I could see. 
The lady follow me all the way to the phone company in the mall, still telling me how ashamed I should be. I turned around taking my eye out, she screamed. 
Even the guard laughed. 


Dar
Every saint has a past, 
Every sinner has a future 


On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com> wrote:

> Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
> they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
> of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
> muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
> Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
> through that bit, it has really been nice.
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
> misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
> Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
> eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
> said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
> life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
> anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
> medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
> patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
> Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
> himself. Go figure!
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
> mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> My left eye broke down like that.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.
> 
> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!
> 
>> Mike
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
> 
>> Sandi
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> Up with jalapenos!
> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
>> comes
> from.
> 
>>> Sandi
> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
> 
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.
> 
>>>>> Bridgit
> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 02:44:11 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:44:11 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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When my parents were fairly elderly, they were driving a car that could be 
lifted off its chassis, so my husband and I decided to check on a Chevy that 
looked pretty good for them.  We walked into the dealership and talked for 
quite a while with the salesman.  In the end he couldn't find the key and 
said to me "You come back tomorrow, and I'll have the key so you can drive 
it."  I said "Not me.  We'll let my husband do the driving.  I'm blind."  He 
said "You can't be.  We've just had a half-hour conversation, and you've 
looked at me the whole time."  The kicker was that the next day when we went 
back, he handed me the keys.  Just testing, I guess!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)


> Yes had a lady tell me I should be ashamed of myself working a dog when I 
> could see.
> The lady follow me all the way to the phone company in the mall, still 
> telling me how ashamed I should be. I turned around taking my eye out, she 
> screamed.
> Even the guard laughed.
>
>
> Dar
> Every saint has a past,
> Every sinner has a future
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Veronica Elsea" 
> <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com> wrote:
>
>> Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
>> they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had 
>> use
>> of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
>> muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
>> Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
>> through that bit, it has really been nice.
>> Veronica
>>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
>>
>> It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Veronica Elsea
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
>>
>> Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
>> misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University 
>> of
>> Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
>> eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
>> said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality 
>> of
>> life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
>> anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
>> medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
>> patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
>> Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
>> himself. Go figure!
>> Veronica
>>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
>>
>> I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye 
>> than
>> mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>> My left eye broke down like that.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision 
>> in
>> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be 
>> hope
>> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye 
>> broke
>> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
>> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
>> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Veronica Elsea
>> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, 
>> because I
>> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights 
>> were
>> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing 
>> changed.
>> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light 
>> detection
>> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
>> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's 
>> prosthetic
>> eyes are wonderful.
>> Veronica
>>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>> I love cinnamon anyway.
>> Just wonderful stuff.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
>> that
>>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for 
>>> diabetes!
>>> <drool!>
>>> Veronica
>>
>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica
>>
>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>> Up with jalapenos!
>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>>> The
>>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
>>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>>> comes
>> from.
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>>> element
>>> happening?
>>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>>> during
>> the
>>> day.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>
>>
>>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>>> I get more done during the day.
>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 02:54:25 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:54:25 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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Hi Veronica,

Maybe I'm glad I was less than 2 when the University of Iowa did my eyes.  I 
had retinoblastoma in 1951!  I was one of the first people who got what they 
call Iowa Implants, which bring the eye muscles together so I have eye 
movement, though I don't think it's entirely normal.  They used to ask me to 
move my eyes a certain way, and then laugh because I had to move my chin at 
the same time!

I don't remember the pain--but I remember when they were going to fit me 
with eyes.  I was about a year and a half, and I can still remember 
screaming with people holding each of my limbs, and then I don't remember 
anything till it was over.  They put me to sleep!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)


Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar  3 03:10:41 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:10:41 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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I'll never forget waking up, wishing I were dead and here came the staff,
bringing me a Tylenol. Yeah right! And I've heard the same story from others
who have never developed control of those muscles. And when I was first
diagnosed with Diabetes, well, when doctors first saw high blood sugar
numbers, nobody said anything to me because they just assumed that since I
was blind, obviously I was an out of control diabetic. Ultimately, heads
rolled at that hospital for that one. But there was a whole week end in
April that I don't remember. I understand I'd do things like sit up and
start singing about taking the bus to the kitchen. What a shame nobody
recorded it. <grin.>
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:16 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
bother.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 03:11:46 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:11:46 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <E8F13608-456F-42AF-8E89-EF42707EB8C6@samobile.net>
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Way to go!

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dmgina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Yes had a lady tell me I should be ashamed of myself working a dog when I could see. 
The lady follow me all the way to the phone company in the mall, still telling me how ashamed I should be. I turned around taking my eye out, she screamed. 
Even the guard laughed. 


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On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com> wrote:

> Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
> they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
> of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
> muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
> Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
> through that bit, it has really been nice.
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
> misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
> Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
> eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
> said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
> life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
> anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
> medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
> patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
> Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
> himself. Go figure!
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
> 
> I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
> mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> My left eye broke down like that.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica
> 
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.
> 
> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!
> 
>> Mike
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
> 
>> Sandi
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
>> Up with jalapenos!
> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
>> comes
> from.
> 
>>> Sandi
> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
> 
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.
> 
>>>>> Bridgit
> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.
> 
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From thegems at dslextreme.com  Sun Mar  3 03:15:12 2013
From: thegems at dslextreme.com (Grant E. Metcalf)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:15:12 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
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Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August 26, 
1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then they were 
truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early November I 
unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in Vinton, 6 days 
short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. It took another 50 
years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being discovered when I went in 
to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I get 
something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be!
Grant





From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar  3 03:15:30 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:15:30 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <34EFAF70080A4527B8F9534AFFD412E4@SandiPC>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com><002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>	<000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<34EFAF70080A4527B8F9534AFFD412E4@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <000e01ce17bd$5cf7e210$16e7a630$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Yeah, I heard a lot about the Iowa implants. I don't have them because in
order for them to look natural, you have to have some muscle control. So my
implants give a very natural looking motion but I don't have any control
over it. 
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:54 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Hi Veronica,

Maybe I'm glad I was less than 2 when the University of Iowa did my eyes.  I

had retinoblastoma in 1951!  I was one of the first people who got what they

call Iowa Implants, which bring the eye muscles together so I have eye 
movement, though I don't think it's entirely normal.  They used to ask me to

move my eyes a certain way, and then laugh because I had to move my chin at 
the same time!

I don't remember the pain--but I remember when they were going to fit me 
with eyes.  I was about a year and a half, and I can still remember 
screaming with people holding each of my limbs, and then I don't remember 
anything till it was over.  They put me to sleep!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)


Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 03:21:51 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 21:21:51 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <000c01ce17bc$b0542c80$10fc8580$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>	<000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<005d01ce17ac$b0fdcd40$12f967c0$@panix.com>
	<000c01ce17bc$b0542c80$10fc8580$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <000301ce17be$4037d8f0$c0a78ad0$@gmail.com>

My goodness!  If I may ask, when was this?  My experience, even under
conditions which were primitive by today's standards, was nothing like what
you describe.

I went to sleep from the anesthetic in horrible pain, and woke up without
pain.  They took out the eye, and replaced it with a silicon ball which
rests at the back of the eye socket.  The muscles which control eye motion
were attached to the ball.  During the surgery, a "conformer" -- plastic
shield to hold the surrounding tissue in it's normal shape, was implanted.
The conformer rode on that silicon ball and moved more or less like a
natural eyeball.  A month or so later, after the swelling was gone, the
conformer (just a white piece of plastic) was replaced by a nice brown
plastic shield (complete with little reddish veins) -- guess the guy who
made it knew of my fondness for bourbon.  The plastic prosthesis rides on
that silicon ball, just as did the conformer, and it looks and feels like a
natural eye, except that it doesn't get corneal ulcers.

Mike -- please let us know if we need to take this discussion off-list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I'll never forget waking up, wishing I were dead and here came the staff,
bringing me a Tylenol. Yeah right! And I've heard the same story from others
who have never developed control of those muscles. And when I was first
diagnosed with Diabetes, well, when doctors first saw high blood sugar
numbers, nobody said anything to me because they just assumed that since I
was blind, obviously I was an out of control diabetic. Ultimately, heads
rolled at that hospital for that one. But there was a whole week end in
April that I don't remember. I understand I'd do things like sit up and
start singing about taking the bus to the kitchen. What a shame nobody
recorded it. <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:16 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
bother.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar  3 03:31:49 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 22:31:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
Message-ID: 22434212-458d-45c8-9c6b-7d4df705f69b@samobile.net

Taking the buss to the kitchen?
I love it.

Original message:
> I'll never forget waking up, wishing I were dead and here came the staff,
> bringing me a Tylenol. Yeah right! And I've heard the same story from others
> who have never developed control of those muscles. And when I was first
> diagnosed with Diabetes, well, when doctors first saw high blood sugar
> numbers, nobody said anything to me because they just assumed that since I
> was blind, obviously I was an out of control diabetic. Ultimately, heads
> rolled at that hospital for that one. But there was a whole week end in
> April that I don't remember. I understand I'd do things like sit up and
> start singing about taking the bus to the kitchen. What a shame nobody
> recorded it. <grin.>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:16 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

> Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
> removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
> enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
> first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
> bother.

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

> Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
> they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
> of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
> muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
> Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
> through that bit, it has really been nice.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

> It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

> Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
> misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
> Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
> eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
> said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
> life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
> anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
> medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
> patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
> Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
> himself. Go figure!
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

> I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
> mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> My left eye broke down like that.

> Mike Freeman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.

> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> Up with jalapenos!

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>> comes
> from.

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  3 04:05:15 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:05:15 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: <001b01ce1791$414af010$c3e0d030$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP476DC0447B22E4F83F54A87C4F90@phx.gbl>

The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag
reflex.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
liquids or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm 
only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  3 04:09:53 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:09:53 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
In-Reply-To: a870323f-6b99-465e-bb88-c89a26526754@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP237BF405BFC6DCC428FB366C4F90@phx.gbl>

Well, this was pertaining to morning sickness specifically, but anyone
feeling nauseas may have the gag reflex triggered if using a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:31 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I drink my 22 ounce cup of coffee threw a straw.
After I fell down the stairs, it is hard for me at times to tilt my 
head back far enough to get all of what I am drinking.
This solves problem.

Original message:
> I believe it's the effect drinking through a straw has on one's gag 
> reflex.

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do 
>> with barfing all over the floor?

>> Mike Freeman


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold 
>> liquids or drink from a straw.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for 
>> cravings. I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as 
>>> varied

>>> as are the people who get morning sickness.

>>> Icecream and pickles anyone?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

>>> Especially if you dip it in salt!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>>>> out. Lol! Linda.

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar  3 04:11:49 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:11:49 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <000301ce17be$4037d8f0$c0a78ad0$@gmail.com>
References: <000301ce177f$7c45fcd0$74d1f670$@gmail.com>	<001901ce178f$20e9abb0$62bd0310$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<002401ce1792$d0edc2f0$72c948d0$@panix.com>	<000301ce17ab$37ff7ca0$a7fe75e0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>	<005d01ce17ac$b0fdcd40$12f967c0$@panix.com>	<000c01ce17bc$b0542c80$10fc8580$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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My eyes were removed in 1980. In my case, the implant sits between the
muscles and gently pushes them. If it had been attached, my eyes would
wander like my real ones did, which is not what we want. And the process was
a temporary horror on the way to blessed relief!
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

My goodness!  If I may ask, when was this?  My experience, even under
conditions which were primitive by today's standards, was nothing like what
you describe.

I went to sleep from the anesthetic in horrible pain, and woke up without
pain.  They took out the eye, and replaced it with a silicon ball which
rests at the back of the eye socket.  The muscles which control eye motion
were attached to the ball.  During the surgery, a "conformer" -- plastic
shield to hold the surrounding tissue in it's normal shape, was implanted.
The conformer rode on that silicon ball and moved more or less like a
natural eyeball.  A month or so later, after the swelling was gone, the
conformer (just a white piece of plastic) was replaced by a nice brown
plastic shield (complete with little reddish veins) -- guess the guy who
made it knew of my fondness for bourbon.  The plastic prosthesis rides on
that silicon ball, just as did the conformer, and it looks and feels like a
natural eye, except that it doesn't get corneal ulcers.

Mike -- please let us know if we need to take this discussion off-list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I'll never forget waking up, wishing I were dead and here came the staff,
bringing me a Tylenol. Yeah right! And I've heard the same story from others
who have never developed control of those muscles. And when I was first
diagnosed with Diabetes, well, when doctors first saw high blood sugar
numbers, nobody said anything to me because they just assumed that since I
was blind, obviously I was an out of control diabetic. Ultimately, heads
rolled at that hospital for that one. But there was a whole week end in
April that I don't remember. I understand I'd do things like sit up and
start singing about taking the bus to the kitchen. What a shame nobody
recorded it. <grin.> Veronica

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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:16 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
bother.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 04:16:33 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:16:33 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
In-Reply-To: <000201ce17c5$3a7f71f0$af7e55d0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
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I'm sorry.  Obviously I know little about the process that others have gone
through.  I'm glad your pain was temporary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:12 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

My eyes were removed in 1980. In my case, the implant sits between the
muscles and gently pushes them. If it had been attached, my eyes would
wander like my real ones did, which is not what we want. And the process was
a temporary horror on the way to blessed relief!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

My goodness!  If I may ask, when was this?  My experience, even under
conditions which were primitive by today's standards, was nothing like what
you describe.

I went to sleep from the anesthetic in horrible pain, and woke up without
pain.  They took out the eye, and replaced it with a silicon ball which
rests at the back of the eye socket.  The muscles which control eye motion
were attached to the ball.  During the surgery, a "conformer" -- plastic
shield to hold the surrounding tissue in it's normal shape, was implanted.
The conformer rode on that silicon ball and moved more or less like a
natural eyeball.  A month or so later, after the swelling was gone, the
conformer (just a white piece of plastic) was replaced by a nice brown
plastic shield (complete with little reddish veins) -- guess the guy who
made it knew of my fondness for bourbon.  The plastic prosthesis rides on
that silicon ball, just as did the conformer, and it looks and feels like a
natural eye, except that it doesn't get corneal ulcers.

Mike -- please let us know if we need to take this discussion off-list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I'll never forget waking up, wishing I were dead and here came the staff,
bringing me a Tylenol. Yeah right! And I've heard the same story from others
who have never developed control of those muscles. And when I was first
diagnosed with Diabetes, well, when doctors first saw high blood sugar
numbers, nobody said anything to me because they just assumed that since I
was blind, obviously I was an out of control diabetic. Ultimately, heads
rolled at that hospital for that one. But there was a whole week end in
April that I don't remember. I understand I'd do things like sit up and
start singing about taking the bus to the kitchen. What a shame nobody
recorded it. <grin.> Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:16 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
bother.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 04:22:38 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:22:38 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag reflex.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
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Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold liquids
or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm
only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 04:24:40 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:24:40 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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It's been OK and healthy to this point but perhaps now's a good time to take
it off-list.

Thanks for asking.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

My goodness!  If I may ask, when was this?  My experience, even under
conditions which were primitive by today's standards, was nothing like what
you describe.

I went to sleep from the anesthetic in horrible pain, and woke up without
pain.  They took out the eye, and replaced it with a silicon ball which
rests at the back of the eye socket.  The muscles which control eye motion
were attached to the ball.  During the surgery, a "conformer" -- plastic
shield to hold the surrounding tissue in it's normal shape, was implanted.
The conformer rode on that silicon ball and moved more or less like a
natural eyeball.  A month or so later, after the swelling was gone, the
conformer (just a white piece of plastic) was replaced by a nice brown
plastic shield (complete with little reddish veins) -- guess the guy who
made it knew of my fondness for bourbon.  The plastic prosthesis rides on
that silicon ball, just as did the conformer, and it looks and feels like a
natural eye, except that it doesn't get corneal ulcers.

Mike -- please let us know if we need to take this discussion off-list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I'll never forget waking up, wishing I were dead and here came the staff,
bringing me a Tylenol. Yeah right! And I've heard the same story from others
who have never developed control of those muscles. And when I was first
diagnosed with Diabetes, well, when doctors first saw high blood sugar
numbers, nobody said anything to me because they just assumed that since I
was blind, obviously I was an out of control diabetic. Ultimately, heads
rolled at that hospital for that one. But there was a whole week end in
April that I don't remember. I understand I'd do things like sit up and
start singing about taking the bus to the kitchen. What a shame nobody
recorded it. <grin.> Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:16 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Hey! My surgery hardly hurt at all. But in my case, the eyeball wasn't
removed; the docs just took the innards out (evisceration rather than
enucleation) since my eyeball was intact. This meant more facial bruising at
first but less problems later; I could wear a shell if I wished but I don't
bother.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Boy that's for sure. And when they actually removed my eyes, it was clear
they'd not had any experience doing this with people who have never had use
of those eyes. That surgery was horrible! The inability to control those
muscles made those first few days the worst pain experience I'd ever had.
Glad I wasn't managing diabetes on top of that one. Wow! But once I was
through that bit, it has really been nice.
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

It's the fear of blindness and the sight-worship that motivates medicos.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:45 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

Bob, boy did I fight that battle. I spent a month in horrible pain and
misery as my eyes basically fell apart. I was dealing with the University of
Iowa at the time. The guy clearly told me, as I begged him to remove my
eyes, we're in the business of saving things, not destroying them. So I
said, then please save my sanity. Right now this is destroying my quality of
life! It worked! I mean really, it wasn't like I was ever going to get
anything useful out of those eyes anyway. Sheesh! Sometimes I think all
medical personnel need to spend some time living in the shoes of their
patients. And who made up that word anyway? Patient? Right!
Although the worst endocrinologist I have encountered was a diabetic
himself. Go figure!
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:53 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)

I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

My left eye broke down like that.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Veronica Elsea
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because I
could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing changed.
I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
eyes are wonderful.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
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????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I love cinnamon anyway.
Just wonderful stuff.

Original message:
> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a 
> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of 
> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark 
> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
that
> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for diabetes!
> <drool!>
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate 
> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

> Up with jalapenos!

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>> The
> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an 
> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of 
> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness 
> comes
from.

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it 
>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological 
>>>> element
> happening?
>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen 
>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body, 
>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink, 
>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy 
>>>> during
the
> day.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me 
>>>> more than I can share.
>>>> I get more done during the day.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  3 15:14:40 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:14:40 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
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Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag
reflex.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


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Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
liquids or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

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Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol! 
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 15:30:07 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:30:07 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a boat
and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws and it
didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was going to lose
my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag reflex.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold liquids
or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 15:55:51 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (rshelton1 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:55:51 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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I think we need to do some research here. I'll be heading out to grab a fajita omlett and margaritas which I'll drink through a straw.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:30 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a boat
> and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws and it
> didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was going to lose
> my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag reflex.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
> barfing all over the floor?
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold liquids
> or drink from a straw.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
> I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied
> 
>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>> 
>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>> 
>> Sandi
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 16:06:39 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:06:39 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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References: <008501ce17c6$bdf18a90$39d49fb0$@panix.com>	<BLU0-SMTP177DD52466A6E4D0E976F38C4F90@phx.gbl>	<002301ce1823$fcf6d580$f6e48080$@panix.com>
	<6F508123-2BBB-43E8-B6A1-775879FDD452@gmail.com>
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Great idea!

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
rshelton1 at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:56 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I think we need to do some research here. I'll be heading out to grab a
fajita omlett and margaritas which I'll drink through a straw.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:30 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a 
> boat and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws 
> and it didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was 
> going to lose my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag reflex.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do 
> with barfing all over the floor?
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold 
> liquids or drink from a straw.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
> I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as 
>> varied
> 
>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>> 
>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>> 
>> Sandi
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  3 18:29:43 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:29:43 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Like anything, I don't think it's exactly the same for everyone. If
feeling sick though, many people will not be helped by drinking from a
straw. With morning sickness, I was advised to avoid straws, and not
drink cold liquids but sip room temp drinks until I no longer felt sick.
Some women never experience morning sickness and therefore probably have
no issues ever drinking with a straw. Likewise, if you have the flu or
some other illness making you nauseous, you potentially could trigger
your gag reflex by drinking from a straw but perhaps not. What works for
one person may not for another, and some symptoms are worse for others,
etc.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:30 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a
boat and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws and
it didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was going
to lose my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag
reflex.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold
liquids or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  3 18:30:19 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:30:19 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP56C1B10AABA82A40EA7D5EC4F90@phx.gbl>

Again, if not sick, shouldn't be a problem, smile.

Bridgit

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Of rshelton1 at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:56 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I think we need to do some research here. I'll be heading out to grab a
fajita omlett and margaritas which I'll drink through a straw.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:30 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a

> boat and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws 
> and it didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was 
> going to lose my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag 
> reflex.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do 
> with barfing all over the floor?
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold 
> liquids or drink from a straw.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for 
> cravings. I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as 
>> varied
> 
>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>> 
>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>> 
>> Sandi
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
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>> 
>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>>> out. Lol! Linda.
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar  3 20:10:08 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:10:08 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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Yup. BTW, I concur on the advice to drink liquids at room temp; I've always
been given that advice also.

Mild suggestion: perhaps we should take this discussion to BLPARENT?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:30 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

Like anything, I don't think it's exactly the same for everyone. If feeling
sick though, many people will not be helped by drinking from a straw. With
morning sickness, I was advised to avoid straws, and not drink cold liquids
but sip room temp drinks until I no longer felt sick.
Some women never experience morning sickness and therefore probably have no
issues ever drinking with a straw. Likewise, if you have the flu or some
other illness making you nauseous, you potentially could trigger your gag
reflex by drinking from a straw but perhaps not. What works for one person
may not for another, and some symptoms are worse for others, etc.

Bridgit

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Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:30 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a boat
and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws and it
didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was going to lose
my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.

Bridgit

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Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.

Mike Freeman


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Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag reflex.

Bridgit

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Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do with
barfing all over the floor?

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
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Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons

I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold liquids
or drink from a straw.

Bridgit

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Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for cravings.
I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons


> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as varied

> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>
> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently, 
>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 20:37:18 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (rshelton1 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:37:18 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
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You were right.  Wonderful breakfast with our son, his bride and soon-to-be grandchild.  Life is very good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Again, if not sick, shouldn't be a problem, smile.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of rshelton1 at gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:56 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
> 
> 
> I think we need to do some research here. I'll be heading out to grab a
> fajita omlett and margaritas which I'll drink through a straw.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:30 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> 
>> I understand. Nonetheless, I'm saying that, for example, when out on a
> 
>> boat and working up to a case of seasickness, I drank through straws 
>> and it didn't seem to affect things one way or another. Either I was 
>> going to lose my cookies or I wasn't. As always, YMMV.
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> When you feel nauseas. You have to feel nauseas to have this happen.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:23 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>> Hmmm ... I don't doubt you but it never did mine.
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:05 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> The function of sipping from a straw can actually trigger the gag 
>> reflex.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:00 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>> What the hell does drinking through a straw have to do or not to do 
>> with barfing all over the floor?
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:07 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> I was told anything acidic wouldn't help, and also to not drink cold 
>> liquids or drink from a straw.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:00 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>> No ice cream and pickles during morning sickness.  That's for 
>> cravings. I'm only talking from my experience as a WIC dietitian.
>> 
>> Sandi
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>> 
>> 
>>> Actually, I suspect that what helps with morning sickness is as 
>>> varied
>> 
>>> as are the people who get morning sickness.
>>> 
>>> Icecream and pickles anyone?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>> 
>>> Especially if you dip it in salt!
>>> 
>>> Sandi
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
>>> To: <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> Cc: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Well Mike, not that you really need to know this but apparently,
>>>> sucking on something with lemon is good for morning sickness. Lol!
>>>> Don't take my word completely though as I've had no reason to find 
>>>> out. Lol! Linda.
>>>> 
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From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 17:43:43 2013
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:43:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prosthesis (was Whole Lemons)
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My right eye was like that as well!!  Almost killed me, in fact.  Doc
wouldn't remove it because, believe it or not, I still had useable
vision in the silly thing.  I begged and begged them for an entire
summer!!!  It was a summer straight from Hell!!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Robert Shelton <rshelton1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope your doctor was quicker to pull the trigger on removing the eye than
> mine was.  Seven weeks I'd not wish on anyone.
>
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> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:26 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> My left eye broke down like that.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> I had very much the same experience.  I thought I had some usable vision in
> my right eye -- to the point that my eye doctor thought there might be hope
> of fixing the lens and cornea surgically.  Six months later, the eye broke
> down internally and had to be removed.  Nothing changed.  Agree with the
> quality of the prosthesis -- it's fooled a couple of eye doctors.  That's
> really funny when the guy starts to examine it with the flashlight.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> You know, growing up I used to think I had light perception. Well, because
> I
> could tell when the sun was out and sometimes I could tell when lights were
> left on. Then at age 26, I had both eyes removed. Surprise! Nothing
> changed.
> I gather the skin on our faces does something in the way of light detection
> as well. But it's amazing what we learn sometimes, isn't it. But I do
> remember the routine of having to wear sun glasses. And today's prosthetic
> eyes are wonderful.
> Veronica
>
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
> I love cinnamon anyway.
> Just wonderful stuff.
>
> Original message:
>> Oh we have all of these things here in Santa Cruz. We have a
>> world-famous chocolatier in town who puts gotether all sorts of
>> things. But the top of the list for me is the cinnamon bark. Dark
>> chocolate and cinnamon. Man,
> that
>> stuff will make anything feel better. It just has to be good for
>> diabetes!
>> <drool!>
>> Veronica
>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:37 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>> There's cinnamon, jalapeno and even bacon chocolate.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>> Really? Chocolate-covered jalape?os? Hafta check that one out!
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>> I'm with you, Veronica.  And actually, you can now get dark chocolate
>> with jalapenos, Mike.  Hmm!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>> Think I'll stick with dark chocolate! <grin.> Veronica
>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>> Up with jalapenos!
>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 14:39, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> One thing lemons are showing promise for is dissolving gallstones.
>>> The
>> article at snopes.com is very interesting, because they're an
>> excellent fruit.  But I wouldn't recommend leaving the second layer of
>> the skin in your cut-up lemon.  That's where much of the bitterness
>> comes
> from.
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>> I drink water all of the time, for the most part.
>>>> When I am out I will get an ice tea.
>>>> Even our doctor asked Jim if he would start doing this.
>>>> Because the lemon water would stop the kidney stones from forming.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think it would take more than one lemon per meal, and is it
>>>>> really the lemon giving you energy, or is there a psychological
>>>>> element
>> happening?
>>>>> Also, did you always drink water? Because other drinks may lessen
>>>>> your energy whereas water helps to hydrate and cleanse the body,
>>>>> which usually gives you more energy. So the more water you drink,
>>>>> the more likely you are to experience higher levels of energy
>>>>> during
> the
>> day.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:06 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole lemons
>
>
>>>>> I know drinking lemon juice with warm water daily has helped me
>>>>> more than I can share.
>>>>> I get more done during the day.
>
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From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 17:48:33 2013
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
In-Reply-To: <F93E07D645004FB4A1FA10E4CC8DFA02@user2868093fd9>
References: <mailman.4097.1362272936.4638.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<F93E07D645004FB4A1FA10E4CC8DFA02@user2868093fd9>
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You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.  Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August 26,
> 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then they were
> truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early November I
> unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in Vinton, 6 days
> short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. It took another 50
> years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being discovered when I went in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I get
> something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be!
> Grant
>
>
>
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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Tue Mar  5 00:21:58 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:21:58 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
In-Reply-To: <CAO=LP_MvPyGTd4nbXkvhW=mbT1Y3CLB6PbTea8FJJ0mp7z2G-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.4097.1362272936.4638.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>	<F93E07D645004FB4A1FA10E4CC8DFA02@user2868093fd9>
	<CAO=LP_MvPyGTd4nbXkvhW=mbT1Y3CLB6PbTea8FJJ0mp7z2G-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901ce1937$736f6920$5a4e3b60$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one question.
>From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa when he retires
this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep suggesting that he might
want to visit during the winter before making the final decision. <grin>
But I was wondering if anyone here knows how diabetes care is these days in
Iowa City? Thanks.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.  Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August 26,
> 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then they were
> truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early November I
> unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in Vinton, 6 days
> short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. It took another 50
> years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I get
> something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be!
> Grant
>
>
>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 01:52:25 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:52:25 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
In-Reply-To: <002901ce1937$736f6920$5a4e3b60$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
References: <mailman.4097.1362272936.4638.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>	<F93E07D645004FB4A1FA10E4CC8DFA02@user2868093fd9><CAO=LP_MvPyGTd4nbXkvhW=mbT1Y3CLB6PbTea8FJJ0mp7z2G-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901ce1937$736f6920$5a4e3b60$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <96F9C20799BA4D5082B5935CE2929BC4@SandiPC>

Sorry, Veronica, I don't know, but the University of Iowa Hospitals and 
Clinics is now huge (there's one hall in the building that's nearly two 
miles long), and I can't imagine that diabetes care wouldn't be good there. 
Perhaps someone else will know.  I'm from the center of the state myself.

We are getting a Diabetes Action Network up and running here, though, and 
I'm the President, so we'll be looking into things like that!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one question.
>From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa when he retires
this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep suggesting that he might
want to visit during the winter before making the final decision. <grin>
But I was wondering if anyone here knows how diabetes care is these days in
Iowa City? Thanks.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.  Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August 26,
> 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then they were
> truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early November I
> unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in Vinton, 6 days
> short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. It took another 50
> years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I get
> something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be!
> Grant
>
>
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  5 01:57:23 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:57:23 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
In-Reply-To: <002901ce1937$736f6920$5a4e3b60$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP343CC6D47504A313AD6053CC4FB0@phx.gbl>

I only lived in Iowa for a short time, and I was in Des Moines, which I
do not recommend for diabetes care, wink. I traveled every three months
back to Omaha I thought the care was so bad, and I saw a handful of
endos in the two years I lived there.

That being said, I've heard Iowa City has fantastic endos since the Iowa
Med Center is in Iowa City. My husband is from Iowa and went to school
at IU, and he isn't diabetic, but the docs he saw while in Iowa City
were pretty good. Hope this helps, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one
question. From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa
when he retires this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep
suggesting that he might want to visit during the winter before making
the final decision. <grin> But I was wondering if anyone here knows how
diabetes care is these days in Iowa City? Thanks. Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.
Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August

> 26, 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then 
> they were truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early 
> November I unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in 
> Vinton, 6 days short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. 
> It took another 50 years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being 
> discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I 
> get something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine: 
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be! Grant
>
>
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  5 01:59:42 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:59:42 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
In-Reply-To: <96F9C20799BA4D5082B5935CE2929BC4@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP317DBE9B52B4249E0810A81C4FB0@phx.gbl>

Wow, that's great about a DAN in Iowa. Nebraska can't seem to get
anything together for any group or division.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:52 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Sorry, Veronica, I don't know, but the University of Iowa Hospitals and 
Clinics is now huge (there's one hall in the building that's nearly two 
miles long), and I can't imagine that diabetes care wouldn't be good
there. 
Perhaps someone else will know.  I'm from the center of the state
myself.

We are getting a Diabetes Action Network up and running here, though,
and 
I'm the President, so we'll be looking into things like that!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one
question. From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa
when he retires this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep
suggesting that he might want to visit during the winter before making
the final decision. <grin> But I was wondering if anyone here knows how
diabetes care is these days in Iowa City? Thanks. Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica
Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.
Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August

> 26, 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then 
> they were truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early 
> November I unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in 
> Vinton, 6 days short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. 
> It took another 50 years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being 
> discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I 
> get something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine: 
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be! Grant
>
>
>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 02:07:06 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:07:06 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
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Message-ID: <621A85F969DC4ECBB9EDC9752493A044@SandiPC>

Well, with all the other issues this winter, we're getting a slow start, but 
we're doing it!  If anyone on the list lives in Iowa and would like 
information about joining, please send me e-mail off-list 
(sjryan2 at gmail.com).  We'd love to have you!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


> Wow, that's great about a DAN in Iowa. Nebraska can't seem to get
> anything together for any group or division.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:52 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
>
>
> Sorry, Veronica, I don't know, but the University of Iowa Hospitals and
> Clinics is now huge (there's one hall in the building that's nearly two
> miles long), and I can't imagine that diabetes care wouldn't be good
> there.
> Perhaps someone else will know.  I'm from the center of the state
> myself.
>
> We are getting a Diabetes Action Network up and running here, though,
> and
> I'm the President, so we'll be looking into things like that!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
>
>
> Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one
> question. From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa
> when he retires this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep
> suggesting that he might want to visit during the winter before making
> the final decision. <grin> But I was wondering if anyone here knows how
> diabetes care is these days in Iowa City? Thanks. Veronica
>
> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
> The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica
> Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bernadette Jacobs
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
>
> You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.
> Blessings!!
>
> Bern
>
> On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August
>
>> 26, 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then
>> they were truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early
>> November I unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in
>> Vinton, 6 days short of a year after I  had fallen through a window.
>> It took another 50 years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being
>> discovered when I went
> in
>>
>> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I
>> get something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
>> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be! Grant
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 02:09:44 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
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When were you here, Bridgit?  I'd like to think things are better in Des 
Moines, but I'm not impressed with much of the diet advice I hear in this 
area.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


I only lived in Iowa for a short time, and I was in Des Moines, which I
do not recommend for diabetes care, wink. I traveled every three months
back to Omaha I thought the care was so bad, and I saw a handful of
endos in the two years I lived there.

That being said, I've heard Iowa City has fantastic endos since the Iowa
Med Center is in Iowa City. My husband is from Iowa and went to school
at IU, and he isn't diabetic, but the docs he saw while in Iowa City
were pretty good. Hope this helps, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one
question. From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa
when he retires this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep
suggesting that he might want to visit during the winter before making
the final decision. <grin> But I was wondering if anyone here knows how
diabetes care is these days in Iowa City? Thanks. Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.
Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August

> 26, 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then
> they were truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early
> November I unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in
> Vinton, 6 days short of a year after I  had fallen through a window.
> It took another 50 years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being
> discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I
> get something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be! Grant
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Tue Mar  5 02:53:02 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:53:02 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
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	<B8E6DA707A434DB88D20FA88F26AC674@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <000b01ce194c$8e28f1e0$aa7ad5a0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Thanks all of you. I lived in Iowa in the late seventies, till 1980, but
wasn't a diabetic then. And it's amazing how completely unaware of something
one is until, until it hits home, so to speak. <grin> 
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:10 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

When were you here, Bridgit?  I'd like to think things are better in Des 
Moines, but I'm not impressed with much of the diet advice I hear in this 
area.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


I only lived in Iowa for a short time, and I was in Des Moines, which I
do not recommend for diabetes care, wink. I traveled every three months
back to Omaha I thought the care was so bad, and I saw a handful of
endos in the two years I lived there.

That being said, I've heard Iowa City has fantastic endos since the Iowa
Med Center is in Iowa City. My husband is from Iowa and went to school
at IU, and he isn't diabetic, but the docs he saw while in Iowa City
were pretty good. Hope this helps, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one
question. From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa
when he retires this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep
suggesting that he might want to visit during the winter before making
the final decision. <grin> But I was wondering if anyone here knows how
diabetes care is these days in Iowa City? Thanks. Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.
Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August

> 26, 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then
> they were truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early
> November I unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in
> Vinton, 6 days short of a year after I  had fallen through a window.
> It took another 50 years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being
> discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I
> get something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine:
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be! Grant
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  5 17:29:35 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:29:35 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here
In-Reply-To: <B8E6DA707A434DB88D20FA88F26AC674@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8159C9EB9B8B9127637088C4FB0@phx.gbl>

Let's see... I moved to Des Moines for training at IDB in 2005, then
Ross and I lived there after we got married until August of 2006. I'm
from Omaha, NE, and Ross happened to find a job here, so we moved back
and have been here since. Being from Omaha, I prefer bigger cities. Even
Des Moines, Iowa City and the Quad Cities don't compare to Omaha, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:10 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


When were you here, Bridgit?  I'd like to think things are better in Des

Moines, but I'm not impressed with much of the diet advice I hear in
this 
area.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


I only lived in Iowa for a short time, and I was in Des Moines, which I
do not recommend for diabetes care, wink. I traveled every three months
back to Omaha I thought the care was so bad, and I saw a handful of
endos in the two years I lived there.

That being said, I've heard Iowa City has fantastic endos since the Iowa
Med Center is in Iowa City. My husband is from Iowa and went to school
at IU, and he isn't diabetic, but the docs he saw while in Iowa City
were pretty good. Hope this helps, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:22 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here


Okay, with all of the Iowans or former Iowans on this list, one
question. From time to time, my hubby talks about going back to Iowa
when he retires this summer. Being a California girl myself, I keep
suggesting that he might want to visit during the winter before making
the final decision. <grin> But I was wondering if anyone here knows how
diabetes care is these days in Iowa City? Thanks. Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and
The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica
Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Another Hawkeye here

You're way too funny Grant!!!  Been there, done that, however.
Blessings!!

Bern

On 3/2/13, Grant E. Metcalf <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Ah, the memories. I also had my right eye removed in Iowa City, August

> 26, 1948 in an attempt to stem a sympathetic ophthalmnia. Back then 
> they were truly glass eyes after which having received mine in early 
> November I unexpectedly woundup at the Iowa School for the Blind in 
> Vinton, 6 days short of a year after I  had fallen through a window. 
> It took another 50 years for diabetes to catch up with me--that being 
> discovered when I went
in
>
> to have gallstones removed. Seems as how everytime I lose one thing I 
> get something else. smile! And, I'll end with this favorite of mine: 
> Growing old is everything it's cracked up to be! Grant
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Thu Mar  7 14:49:26 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:49:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 8b3c7500-bd60-4640-b437-08d5bdf08178@samobile.net

Hello,
Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
Thanks so much.
Started it last night.
I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

-- 
--Dar
skype: dmgina23
  FB: dmgina
www.twitter.com/dmgina
every saint has a past
every sinner has a future



From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Fri Mar  8 16:41:32 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:41:32 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 8b3c7500-bd60-4640-b437-08d5bdf08178@samobile.net
References: 8b3c7500-bd60-4640-b437-08d5bdf08178@samobile.net
Message-ID: <002201ce1c1b$cb17c370$61474a50$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
interesting. Thanks.
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Hello,
Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
Thanks so much.
Started it last night.
I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

-- 
--Dar
skype: dmgina23
  FB: dmgina
www.twitter.com/dmgina
every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  8 16:52:31 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 14692186-f637-4681-bf32-87b9312f0bf9@samobile.net

yes I would love to share.
I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
I also at this time voide more.
Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
I also lost three pounds.
this is from last week.
We weigh in at the same time each week.
We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
When I got full that is just that.
It didn't take much at all.
We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down 
to 95 in the morning,
Taking me off one of the pills.
Instead of twice a day doing it once.
I was told my body will get used to being lower.
I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
Test.
Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my feet.
Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or how 
it works.
I am sure I will adjust to this as well.

Original message:
> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
> interesting. Thanks.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Hello,
> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
> I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
> Thanks so much.
> Started it last night.
> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

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every sinner has a future



From debbiewunder at centurytel.net  Fri Mar  8 17:10:43 2013
From: debbiewunder at centurytel.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
References: 14692186-f637-4681-bf32-87b9312f0bf9@samobile.net
Message-ID: <4E1AD36D6E0047F481E8C59523763664@DEBBIECOMPUTER>

Hi, is this a new insulin? I too am interested in this topic.

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> yes I would love to share.
> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
> I also at this time voide more.
> Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
> I also lost three pounds.
> this is from last week.
> We weigh in at the same time each week.
> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
> When I got full that is just that.
> It didn't take much at all.
> We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down to 
> 95 in the morning,
> Taking me off one of the pills.
> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
> I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
> Test.
> Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
> I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my 
> feet.
> Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
> Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or how it 
> works.
> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.
>
> Original message:
>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
>> interesting. Thanks.
>> Veronica
>
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Hello,
>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
>> I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
>> Thanks so much.
>> Started it last night.
>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/veronica%40laurel
>> creekmusic.com
>
>
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>
> -- 
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>  FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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> 




From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  8 18:23:57 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:23:57 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <4E1AD36D6E0047F481E8C59523763664@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
References: <4E1AD36D6E0047F481E8C59523763664@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
Message-ID: <E9530AFD-8399-40C0-8EA8-E06C4456B4DA@panix.com>

No, victosa is a supplemental drug like byeta and is specifically designed for Type 2 diabetics who are *not* taking insulin. Like byeta, it clamps down on post-prandial blood glucose spike's. It also tends to promote weight loss and satiety as Dar has discovered. Some people find that victosa has less side-effects than byeta. Some doctors might prescribe victosa off-label for Type 2's taking landis along with oral meds but I have never heard of such use. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:10, "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Hi, is this a new insulin? I too am interested in this topic.
> 
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
>> yes I would love to share.
>> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
>> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
>> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
>> I also at this time voide more.
>> Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
>> I also lost three pounds.
>> this is from last week.
>> We weigh in at the same time each week.
>> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
>> When I got full that is just that.
>> It didn't take much at all.
>> We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down to 95 in the morning,
>> Taking me off one of the pills.
>> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
>> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
>> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
>> I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
>> Test.
>> Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
>> I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my feet.
>> Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
>> Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or how it works.
>> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
>>> interesting. Thanks.
>>> Veronica
>> 
>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
>>> I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> Started it last night.
>>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.
>> 
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>  FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/veronica%40laurel
>>> creekmusic.com
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Fri Mar  8 21:54:38 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:54:38 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <E9530AFD-8399-40C0-8EA8-E06C4456B4DA@panix.com>
References: <4E1AD36D6E0047F481E8C59523763664@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
	<E9530AFD-8399-40C0-8EA8-E06C4456B4DA@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000a01ce1c47$87ef0f50$97cd2df0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

I actually do know an endocrinologist who has used Bieta with Type one's as
well. But yeah, the side affects of that drug can get pretty wicked. 
Veronica

Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:24 AM
To: Debbie Wunder; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

No, victosa is a supplemental drug like byeta and is specifically designed
for Type 2 diabetics who are *not* taking insulin. Like byeta, it clamps
down on post-prandial blood glucose spike's. It also tends to promote weight
loss and satiety as Dar has discovered. Some people find that victosa has
less side-effects than byeta. Some doctors might prescribe victosa off-label
for Type 2's taking landis along with oral meds but I have never heard of
such use. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:10, "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
wrote:

> Hi, is this a new insulin? I too am interested in this topic.
> 
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
>> yes I would love to share.
>> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
>> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
>> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
>> I also at this time voide more.
>> Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
>> I also lost three pounds.
>> this is from last week.
>> We weigh in at the same time each week.
>> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
>> When I got full that is just that.
>> It didn't take much at all.
>> We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down
to 95 in the morning,
>> Taking me off one of the pills.
>> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
>> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
>> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
>> I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
>> Test.
>> Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
>> I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my
feet.
>> Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
>> Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or how it
works.
>> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
>>> interesting. Thanks.
>>> Veronica
>> 
>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
>>> I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> Started it last night.
>>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.
>> 
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>  FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/veronica%40laurel
>>> creekmusic.com
>> 
>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
Diabetes-talk:
>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40samobile
.net
>> 
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
Diabetes-talk:
>>
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nturytel.net
> 
> 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar  8 23:05:12 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:05:12 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 42a5148e-399c-4a03-9dd3-a7b30c32b2ea@samobile.net

Hello,
I am getting used to being in the 90 range.
this is new for me.
What scares me is this,
When I go out into the cold I drop fast.
Strange I know, my doctor has said, this doesn't happen to folks.
Gee guess I am not a folk giggle.
I am in close contact with the diabetic coordinator we will get it worked out.
What I enjoyed after my breakfast I only went up to 120.
What a thrill.
Back down to 95 before lunch, now need to take it again before dinner.
Also got halapino cheese sticks for a bed time snack.
I hope tomorrow I don't drag so badly.
We thought it would be good for me to take the shot earlier than 9 PM.
I don't get to sleep until after mid night.
She doesn't know why this would happen.
Just some thoughts.

Original message:
> I actually do know an endocrinologist who has used Bieta with Type one's as
> well. But yeah, the side affects of that drug can get pretty wicked.
> Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:24 AM
> To: Debbie Wunder; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> No, victosa is a supplemental drug like byeta and is specifically designed
> for Type 2 diabetics who are *not* taking insulin. Like byeta, it clamps
> down on post-prandial blood glucose spike's. It also tends to promote weight
> loss and satiety as Dar has discovered. Some people find that victosa has
> less side-effects than byeta. Some doctors might prescribe victosa off-label
> for Type 2's taking landis along with oral meds but I have never heard of
> such use.

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:10, "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
> wrote:

>> Hi, is this a new insulin? I too am interested in this topic.

>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> yes I would love to share.
>>> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
>>> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
>>> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
>>> I also at this time voide more.
>>> Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
>>> I also lost three pounds.
>>> this is from last week.
>>> We weigh in at the same time each week.
>>> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
>>> When I got full that is just that.
>>> It didn't take much at all.
>>> We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down
> to 95 in the morning,
>>> Taking me off one of the pills.
>>> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
>>> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
>>> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
>>> I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
>>> Test.
>>> Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
>>> I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my
> feet.
>>> Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
>>> Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or how it
> works.
>>> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
>>>> interesting. Thanks.
>>>> Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d
>>>> m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Hello,
>>>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list?
>>>> I have questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
>>>> Thanks so much.
>>>> Started it last night.
>>>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>>>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future

>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Diabetes-talk:

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>>> --
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>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future

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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Mar  8 23:29:53 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 15:29:53 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 42a5148e-399c-4a03-9dd3-a7b30c32b2ea@samobile.net
References: 42a5148e-399c-4a03-9dd3-a7b30c32b2ea@samobile.net
Message-ID: <4B365246-0A66-4A84-9A8F-C7D85E911EF6@panix.com>

dar: 

I suspect that your problems with feeling low at 90 will go away reasonably soon. After all, you have been used to constant higher numbers for quite some time. As you get used to being in the normal range, you'll start to feel normal there also. Moreover, I suspect that you worry and panic pretty easily, tending to be apprehensive that you are going to have a severe reaction. Although this is possible, it's unlikely. Let your meter be your guide. Normally, you only really need to worry if your readings get below 70 or perhaps 80 mg/dl. If I am at my desk and do not plan to be active, I can run 70all day and not notice. But some folks can't go below 80. 

We are all interested and rooting for you. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2013, at 15:05, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> I am getting used to being in the 90 range.
> this is new for me.
> What scares me is this,
> When I go out into the cold I drop fast.
> Strange I know, my doctor has said, this doesn't happen to folks.
> Gee guess I am not a folk giggle.
> I am in close contact with the diabetic coordinator we will get it worked out.
> What I enjoyed after my breakfast I only went up to 120.
> What a thrill.
> Back down to 95 before lunch, now need to take it again before dinner.
> Also got halapino cheese sticks for a bed time snack.
> I hope tomorrow I don't drag so badly.
> We thought it would be good for me to take the shot earlier than 9 PM.
> I don't get to sleep until after mid night.
> She doesn't know why this would happen.
> Just some thoughts.
> 
> Original message:
>> I actually do know an endocrinologist who has used Bieta with Type one's as
>> well. But yeah, the side affects of that drug can get pretty wicked.
>> Veronica
> 
>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:24 AM



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  9 00:10:46 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:10:46 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 42a5148e-399c-4a03-9dd3-a7b30c32b2ea@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP93FD718A0541A9DC2D6A2CC4E70@phx.gbl>

Is it really possible for the cold to affect blood sugars?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:05 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Hello,
I am getting used to being in the 90 range.
this is new for me.
What scares me is this,
When I go out into the cold I drop fast.
Strange I know, my doctor has said, this doesn't happen to folks. Gee
guess I am not a folk giggle. I am in close contact with the diabetic
coordinator we will get it worked out. What I enjoyed after my breakfast
I only went up to 120. What a thrill. Back down to 95 before lunch, now
need to take it again before dinner. Also got halapino cheese sticks for
a bed time snack. I hope tomorrow I don't drag so badly. We thought it
would be good for me to take the shot earlier than 9 PM. I don't get to
sleep until after mid night. She doesn't know why this would happen.
Just some thoughts.

Original message:
> I actually do know an endocrinologist who has used Bieta with Type 
> one's as well. But yeah, the side affects of that drug can get pretty 
> wicked. Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:24 AM
> To: Debbie Wunder; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> No, victosa is a supplemental drug like byeta and is specifically 
> designed for Type 2 diabetics who are *not* taking insulin. Like 
> byeta, it clamps down on post-prandial blood glucose spike's. It also 
> tends to promote weight loss and satiety as Dar has discovered. Some 
> people find that victosa has less side-effects than byeta. Some 
> doctors might prescribe victosa off-label for Type 2's taking landis 
> along with oral meds but I have never heard of such use.

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:10, "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
> wrote:

>> Hi, is this a new insulin? I too am interested in this topic.

>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> yes I would love to share.
>>> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
>>> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
>>> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice. I also at

>>> this time voide more. Going often, where I am at home, so close to 
>>> the bathroom. I also lost three pounds.
>>> this is from last week.
>>> We weigh in at the same time each week.
>>> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
>>> When I got full that is just that.
>>> It didn't take much at all.
>>> We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get
down
> to 95 in the morning,
>>> Taking me off one of the pills.
>>> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
>>> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
>>> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable. I 
>>> thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me. 
>>> Test. Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
>>> I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on
my
> feet.
>>> Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
>>> Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or 
>>> how it
> works.
>>> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.

>>> Original message:
>>>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it 
>>>> really interesting. Thanks. Veronica

>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!

>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica

>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: 
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
> Of d
>>>> m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Hello,
>>>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list? I have

>>>> questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list. 
>>>> Thanks so much. Started it last night.
>>>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>>>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future

>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
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>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>>> Diabetes-talk:

> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/veronica%40
> laurel
>>>> creekmusic.com


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>>>> for
> Diabetes-talk:

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> mobile
> .net

>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future

>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
> Diabetes-talk:

> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/debbiewunde
> r%40ce
> nturytel.net


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  FB: dmgina
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  9 00:14:29 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 14692186-f637-4681-bf32-87b9312f0bf9@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP96DC312F787AC4936E0842C4E70@phx.gbl>

What do you mean "meals are curved?"

And yes, you can experience a tired feeling after having a low
especially if a severe low. Fatigue, weakness, cold swets, shakiness,
confusion... These are all symptoms of a low, and there are more
symptoms. Like anything, the symptoms will vary person to person.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:53 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I would love to share.
I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
I also at this time voide more.
Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
I also lost three pounds.
this is from last week.
We weigh in at the same time each week.
We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it. When I
got full that is just that. It didn't take much at all. We are still
adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down 
to 95 in the morning,
Taking me off one of the pills.
Instead of twice a day doing it once.
I was told my body will get used to being lower.
I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
Test. Most of the time I am in the one hundred range. I just know what
to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my feet. Once I had
breakfast, I started feeling better. Now I am just tired, don't know if
this has to do with the low, or how 
it works.
I am sure I will adjust to this as well.

Original message:
> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really 
> interesting. Thanks. Veronica

> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica 
> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Hello,
> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list? I have 
> questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list. 
> Thanks so much. Started it last night.
> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Diabetes-talk: 
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> laurel
> creekmusic.com


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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  9 01:35:27 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 4903279c-4331-4f95-9e9c-65b771238e46@samobile.net

I know Jim doesn't know how to help me where he doesn't want to learn 
how to help me.
I think I pannic more this way sense I know I am on my own.
I have asked him, where he just doesn't feel comfortable.
You live in the 90s as well?>
I'm pleased to know this.
Also I will wait and see how it goes going back to the YMCA after Easter.
I like to tread water, 20 minutes at a time.
I know what I can take with me to boost me up.
Don't want to give up what I have started.
Thanks again.
I know after two weeks they want to boost me up again.
I am guessing this is so my body will get used to it as well.
People would never know that I pannic not even Jim.
I just share this is what I need to do.
I test first thing when I get up so I know what to do first. Eat or 
take dog out.
Thanks again.

Original message:
> dar:

> I suspect that your problems with feeling low at 90 will go away 
> reasonably soon. After all, you have been used to constant higher 
> numbers for quite some time. As you get used to being in the normal 
> range, you'll start to feel normal there also. Moreover, I suspect that 
> you worry and panic pretty easily, tending to be apprehensive that you 
> are going to have a severe reaction. Although this is possible, it's 
> unlikely. Let your meter be your guide. Normally, you only really need 
> to worry if your readings get below 70 or perhaps 80 mg/dl. If I am at 
> my desk and do not plan to be active, I can run 70all day and not 
> notice. But some folks can't go below 80.

> We are all interested and rooting for you.

> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2013, at 15:05, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:

>> Hello,
>> I am getting used to being in the 90 range.
>> this is new for me.
>> What scares me is this,
>> When I go out into the cold I drop fast.
>> Strange I know, my doctor has said, this doesn't happen to folks.
>> Gee guess I am not a folk giggle.
>> I am in close contact with the diabetic coordinator we will get it worked out.
>> What I enjoyed after my breakfast I only went up to 120.
>> What a thrill.
>> Back down to 95 before lunch, now need to take it again before dinner.
>> Also got halapino cheese sticks for a bed time snack.
>> I hope tomorrow I don't drag so badly.
>> We thought it would be good for me to take the shot earlier than 9 PM.
>> I don't get to sleep until after mid night.
>> She doesn't know why this would happen.
>> Just some thoughts.

>> Original message:
>>> I actually do know an endocrinologist who has used Bieta with Type one's as
>>> well. But yeah, the side affects of that drug can get pretty wicked.
>>> Veronica

>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! Yes!
>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407



>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:24 AM

> _______________________________________________
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www.twitter.com/dmgina
every saint has a past
every sinner has a future



From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  9 01:37:48 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:37:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 204767ce-9981-449f-8b2e-37cd389773ea@samobile.net

It is for me.
I have had this problem for 9 years.

Original message:
> Is it really possible for the cold to affect blood sugars?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:05 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Hello,
> I am getting used to being in the 90 range.
> this is new for me.
> What scares me is this,
> When I go out into the cold I drop fast.
> Strange I know, my doctor has said, this doesn't happen to folks. Gee
> guess I am not a folk giggle. I am in close contact with the diabetic
> coordinator we will get it worked out. What I enjoyed after my breakfast
> I only went up to 120. What a thrill. Back down to 95 before lunch, now
> need to take it again before dinner. Also got halapino cheese sticks for
> a bed time snack. I hope tomorrow I don't drag so badly. We thought it
> would be good for me to take the shot earlier than 9 PM. I don't get to
> sleep until after mid night. She doesn't know why this would happen.
> Just some thoughts.

> Original message:
>> I actually do know an endocrinologist who has used Bieta with Type
>> one's as well. But yeah, the side affects of that drug can get pretty
>> wicked. Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407



>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:24 AM
>> To: Debbie Wunder; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> No, victosa is a supplemental drug like byeta and is specifically
>> designed for Type 2 diabetics who are *not* taking insulin. Like
>> byeta, it clamps down on post-prandial blood glucose spike's. It also
>> tends to promote weight loss and satiety as Dar has discovered. Some
>> people find that victosa has less side-effects than byeta. Some
>> doctors might prescribe victosa off-label for Type 2's taking landis
>> along with oral meds but I have never heard of such use.

>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone

>> On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:10, "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>
>> wrote:

>>> Hi, is this a new insulin? I too am interested in this topic.

>>> Debbie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I would love to share.
>>>> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
>>>> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
>>>> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice. I also at

>>>> this time voide more. Going often, where I am at home, so close to
>>>> the bathroom. I also lost three pounds.
>>>> this is from last week.
>>>> We weigh in at the same time each week.
>>>> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it.
>>>> When I got full that is just that.
>>>> It didn't take much at all.
>>>> We are still adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get
> down
>> to 95 in the morning,
>>>> Taking me off one of the pills.
>>>> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
>>>> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
>>>> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable. I
>>>> thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
>>>> Test. Most of the time I am in the one hundred range.
>>>> I just know what to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on
> my
>> feet.
>>>> Once I had breakfast, I started feeling better.
>>>> Now I am just tired, don't know if this has to do with the low, or
>>>> how it
>> works.
>>>> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it
>>>>> really interesting. Thanks. Veronica

>>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!

>>>>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica

>>>>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>> Of d
>>>>> m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list? I have

>>>>> questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
>>>>> Thanks so much. Started it last night.
>>>>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>>>>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future

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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/veronica%40
>> laurel
>>>>> creekmusic.com


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>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>> every sinner has a future

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Mar  9 01:42:43 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:42:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 91849f39-e28b-4669-a27e-3c2870a80384@samobile.net

You eat less or you feel like you can throw up.
That is the only way to explain it.

Original message:
> What do you mean "meals are curved?"

> And yes, you can experience a tired feeling after having a low
> especially if a severe low. Fatigue, weakness, cold swets, shakiness,
> confusion... These are all symptoms of a low, and there are more
> symptoms. Like anything, the symptoms will vary person to person.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:53 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> yes I would love to share.
> I am noticing rite away your meals are curved.
> Even down to drinking a large cup of coffee.
> this could change, but at this time this is what I notice.
> I also at this time voide more.
> Going often, where I am at home, so close to the bathroom.
> I also lost three pounds.
> this is from last week.
> We weigh in at the same time each week.
> We also had salad raps so this can have something to do with it. When I
> got full that is just that. It didn't take much at all. We are still
> adjusting medicine, I need to call by Monday if I get down
> to 95 in the morning,
> Taking me off one of the pills.
> Instead of twice a day doing it once.
> I was told my body will get used to being lower.
> I don't want to take on to much exercising until I am stable.
> I thought I was going to fall down in the bathroom, then it hit me.
> Test. Most of the time I am in the one hundred range. I just know what
> to expect now, for me I get dizzy and unsteady on my feet. Once I had
> breakfast, I started feeling better. Now I am just tired, don't know if
> this has to do with the low, or how
> it works.
> I am sure I will adjust to this as well.

> Original message:
>> Actually I'd love to follow this discussion on list. I find it really
>> interesting. Thanks. Veronica

>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>> Yes! http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us Then find more music from Veronica
>> Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> ????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:49 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Hello,
>> Could the gentleman who is taking victoza write me off list? I have
>> questions, where I thought it might be better to write off list.
>> Thanks so much. Started it last night.
>> I was impressed that my number this morning was 107.
>> Lived in an apartment with that number giggle.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future

>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> laurel
>> creekmusic.com


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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar  9 04:06:01 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 5d5a0c5d-a9bf-4e69-8477-d62c40d535e0@samobile.net

Yes, i think it is possible for the cold to screw up blood sugars, 
especially if you're so cold you shiver.
Linda.



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sat Mar 16 21:09:42 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:09:42 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
Message-ID: f513fddf-53f3-462a-9ae4-d451951d6e00@samobile.net

yes, i know that with every medication, you pays your money, and you 
takes your choice so the saying goes but I'm not sure about this drug, 
after reading the following.
Linda.


What is Victoza?
Victoza is a diabetes medicine that helps control blood sugar levels. 
It works by increasing the amount of insulin that your body produces.

Victoza is used to treat type 2 diabetes. This medication is not for 
treating type 1 diabetes. Victoza may also be used for other purposes 
not listed in this medication guide.

Important information about Victoza

You should not use Victoza if you are allergic to liraglutide, or if 
you have multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2 (tumors in your glands), a 
personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, 
insulin-dependent diabetes, or if you are in a state of diabetic 
ketoacidosis (call your doctor for treatment with insulin).

Before using Victoza, tell your doctor if you have stomach problems 
causing slow digestion, kidney or liver disease, high blood pressure, 
high triglycerides, or if you have ever had pancreatitis, gallstones, 
or alcoholism.

You should not breast-feed while using Victoza. Never share an 
injection pen with another person. Sharing injection pens can allow 
disease such as hepatitis or H I V to pass from one person to another.

Call your doctor at once if you have a serious side effect while using 
Victoza, such as swelling or a lump in your throat area, hoarse voice, 
trouble swallowing, feeling short of breath, severe pain in your upper 
stomach spreading to your back, nausea and vomiting, or signs of 
infection such as fever, chills, sore throat, flu symptoms, mouth 
sores, or easy bruising or bleeding.

Victoza is only part of a complete program of treatment that may also 
include diet, exercise, weight control, foot care, eye care, dental 
care, and testing your blood sugar.

Before using Victoza
You should not use Victoza if you are allergic to liraglutide, or if 
you have: -multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2 (tumors in your glands); 
-a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer;
-type 1 diabetes; or
-if you are in a state of diabetic ketoacidosis (call your doctor for 
treatment with insulin).

To make sure you can safely use Victoza, tell your doctor if you have 
any of these other conditions: -stomach problems causing slow digestion;
-kidney or liver disease;
-high blood pressure;
-high triglyceride levels in your blood;
-a history of pancreatitis;
-a history of gallstones; or
-a history of alcoholism.

In animal studies, Victoza caused the development of thyroid tumors. 
However, very high doses are used in animal studies. It is not known 
whether these effects would occur in people using doses recommended for 
human use. Ask your doctor about your personal risk. F D A pregnancy 
category C. It is not known whether Victoza will harm an unborn baby. 
Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while 
using this medication. It is not known whether liraglutide passes into 
breast milk or if it could harm a nursing baby. You should not 
breast-feed while using Victoza.

How should I use Victoza?
Victoza comes in a prefilled injection pen. Ask your pharmacist which 
type of needles are best to use with your pen. Victoza is injected 
under the skin. Your care provider will show you the best places on 
your body to inject Victoza. Do not self-inject this medicine if you do 
not fully understand how to give the injection and properly dispose of 
used needles and injection pens. Victoza is usually given once per day. 
Your doctor may occasionally change your dose to make sure you get the 
best results. Your dose needs may change if you become ill, have a 
fever or infection, or if you have surgery or a medical emergency. You 
may use Victoza at any time of the day, with or without a meal. Do not 
use Victoza if it has changed colors or has particles in it. Call your 
doctor for a new prescription. Your blood sugar will need to be checked 
often, and you may need other blood tests at your doctor's office. 
Visit your doctor regularly. Low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) can happen 
to everyone who has diabetes. Symptoms include headache, hunger, 
sweating, pale skin, irritability, dizziness, feeling shaky, or trouble 
concentrating. Carry hard candy or glucose tablets with you in case you 
have low blood sugar. Other sugar sources include fruit juice, 
crackers, raisins, and non-diet soda. Be sure your family and close 
friends know how to help you in an emergency.

Storing unopened Victoza injection pens: Store in the refrigerator. Do 
not store near the refrigerator's cooling element.

Storing after your first use: You may keep "in-use" injection pens in 
the refrigerator or at room temperature. Protect the pens from 
moisture, heat, and sunlight. Use within 30 days. Remove the needle 
before storing an injection pen, and keep the cap on the pen when not in use.

Throw away used needles in a puncture-proof container (ask your 
pharmacist where you can get one and how to dispose of it). Keep this 
container out of the reach of children and pets. Do not freeze Victoza, 
and throw away the medication if it has become frozen.

What happens if I miss a dose?
Use the missed dose as soon as you remember. Skip the missed dose if it 
is almost time for your next scheduled dose. Do not use extra medicine 
to make up the missed dose.

What happens if I overdose?
Seek emergency medical attention or call the Poison Help line Victoza 
overdose may cause severe nausea and vomiting.

Victoza side effects
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an 
allergic reaction to Victoza: hives; difficult breathing; swelling of 
your face, lips, tongue, or throat. Call your doctor at once if you 
have a serious side effect such as:

- swelling or a lump in your throat area;
-hoarse voice, trouble swallowing, feeling short of breath;
-urinating less than usual or not at all;
-weakness, confusion, increased thirst, loss of appetite, pounding 
heartbeats or fluttering in your chest; -swelling, weight gain, feeling 
short of breath;
-pancreatitis - severe pain in your upper stomach spreading to your 
back, nausea and vomiting, loss of appetite, fast heart rate; or -signs 
of infection such as fever, chills, sore throat, flu symptoms, easy 
bruising or bleeding (nosebleeds, bleeding gums), mouth sores, unusual 
weakness.

Less serious Victoza side effects may include:
-headache, dizziness;
-upset stomach, loss of appetite;
-nausea, vomiting;
-diarrhea, constipation;
 -cold symptoms such as stuffy nose, sneezing, sinus pain, sore throat; 
-back pain;
-tired feeling;
-mild skin rash; or
-redness or rash where the medicine was injected.
This is not a complete list of Victoza side effects and others may 
occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may 
report side effects to F D A at 1-800-F D A-1088.

What other drugs will affect Victoza?
Victoza can make it harder for your body to absorb other medications 
you take by mouth. Tell your doctor about all medications you take by 
mouth, especially oral diabetes medications(Glucotrol, Metaglip, 
Amaryl, Avandaryl, Duetact, DiaBeta, Micronase, Glucovance, and others).

There may be other drugs that can interact with Victoza. Tell your 
doctor about all medications you use. This includes prescription, 
over-the-counter, vitamin, and herbal products. Do not start a new 
medication without telling your doctor.

For Healthcare Professionals
Applies to liraglutide: subcutaneous solution

Gastrointestinal
Gastrointestinal side effects have included nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, 
constipation, abdominal pain, decreased appetite, anorexia, dyspepsia, 
and pancreatitis.

Metabolic
Metabolic side effects have included hypoglycemia, especially when 
combined with a sulfonylurea. Postmarketing side effects have included 
dehydration from nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

Nervous system
Nervous system side effects have included headache and dizziness.

Respiratory
Respiratory side effects have included nasopharyngitis, upper 
respiratory tract infection, and sinusitis.

General
General side effects have included influenza and fatigue.

Cardiovascular
Cardiovascular side effects have included hypertension.

Genitourinary
Genitourinary side effects have included urinary tract infection.

Musculoskeletal
Musculoskeletal side effects have included back pain.

Local
Local side effects have included injection site rash and erythema.

Immunologic
Immunologic side effects have included urticaria and angioedema.

Hypersensitivity
Hypersensitivity side effects reported postmarketing have included 
angioedema and anaphylactic reactions, rash and pruritus.

Renal
Postmarketing side effects have included increased serum creatinine, 
acute renal failure or worsening of chronic renal failure, sometimes 
requiring hemodialysis.



From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 16 22:26:18 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:26:18 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: f513fddf-53f3-462a-9ae4-d451951d6e00@samobile.net
References: f513fddf-53f3-462a-9ae4-d451951d6e00@samobile.net
Message-ID: <009301ce2295$4837a1c0$d8a6e540$@panix.com>

I don't see the problem. Those are all common-sense warnings. Heck; if you
eat too many carrots, your skin will turn read and everyone knows what
happens if you eat too much bran! (grin) There's almost nothing (including
the so-called "natural" stuff) that's absolutely risk-free. People worry
about airplane crashes while they don't give a thought to riding in an
automobile -- a much more risky business.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
limestone lady
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:10 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.

yes, i know that with every medication, you pays your money, and you 
takes your choice so the saying goes but I'm not sure about this drug, 
after reading the following.
Linda.


What is Victoza?
Victoza is a diabetes medicine that helps control blood sugar levels. 
It works by increasing the amount of insulin that your body produces.

Victoza is used to treat type 2 diabetes. This medication is not for 
treating type 1 diabetes. Victoza may also be used for other purposes 
not listed in this medication guide.

Important information about Victoza

You should not use Victoza if you are allergic to liraglutide, or if 
you have multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2 (tumors in your glands), a 
personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, 
insulin-dependent diabetes, or if you are in a state of diabetic 
ketoacidosis (call your doctor for treatment with insulin).

Before using Victoza, tell your doctor if you have stomach problems 
causing slow digestion, kidney or liver disease, high blood pressure, 
high triglycerides, or if you have ever had pancreatitis, gallstones, 
or alcoholism.

You should not breast-feed while using Victoza. Never share an 
injection pen with another person. Sharing injection pens can allow 
disease such as hepatitis or H I V to pass from one person to another.

Call your doctor at once if you have a serious side effect while using 
Victoza, such as swelling or a lump in your throat area, hoarse voice, 
trouble swallowing, feeling short of breath, severe pain in your upper 
stomach spreading to your back, nausea and vomiting, or signs of 
infection such as fever, chills, sore throat, flu symptoms, mouth 
sores, or easy bruising or bleeding.

Victoza is only part of a complete program of treatment that may also 
include diet, exercise, weight control, foot care, eye care, dental 
care, and testing your blood sugar.

Before using Victoza
You should not use Victoza if you are allergic to liraglutide, or if 
you have: -multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2 (tumors in your glands); 
-a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer;
-type 1 diabetes; or
-if you are in a state of diabetic ketoacidosis (call your doctor for 
treatment with insulin).

To make sure you can safely use Victoza, tell your doctor if you have 
any of these other conditions: -stomach problems causing slow digestion;
-kidney or liver disease;
-high blood pressure;
-high triglyceride levels in your blood;
-a history of pancreatitis;
-a history of gallstones; or
-a history of alcoholism.

In animal studies, Victoza caused the development of thyroid tumors. 
However, very high doses are used in animal studies. It is not known 
whether these effects would occur in people using doses recommended for 
human use. Ask your doctor about your personal risk. F D A pregnancy 
category C. It is not known whether Victoza will harm an unborn baby. 
Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while 
using this medication. It is not known whether liraglutide passes into 
breast milk or if it could harm a nursing baby. You should not 
breast-feed while using Victoza.

How should I use Victoza?
Victoza comes in a prefilled injection pen. Ask your pharmacist which 
type of needles are best to use with your pen. Victoza is injected 
under the skin. Your care provider will show you the best places on 
your body to inject Victoza. Do not self-inject this medicine if you do 
not fully understand how to give the injection and properly dispose of 
used needles and injection pens. Victoza is usually given once per day. 
Your doctor may occasionally change your dose to make sure you get the 
best results. Your dose needs may change if you become ill, have a 
fever or infection, or if you have surgery or a medical emergency. You 
may use Victoza at any time of the day, with or without a meal. Do not 
use Victoza if it has changed colors or has particles in it. Call your 
doctor for a new prescription. Your blood sugar will need to be checked 
often, and you may need other blood tests at your doctor's office. 
Visit your doctor regularly. Low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) can happen 
to everyone who has diabetes. Symptoms include headache, hunger, 
sweating, pale skin, irritability, dizziness, feeling shaky, or trouble 
concentrating. Carry hard candy or glucose tablets with you in case you 
have low blood sugar. Other sugar sources include fruit juice, 
crackers, raisins, and non-diet soda. Be sure your family and close 
friends know how to help you in an emergency.

Storing unopened Victoza injection pens: Store in the refrigerator. Do 
not store near the refrigerator's cooling element.

Storing after your first use: You may keep "in-use" injection pens in 
the refrigerator or at room temperature. Protect the pens from 
moisture, heat, and sunlight. Use within 30 days. Remove the needle 
before storing an injection pen, and keep the cap on the pen when not in
use.

Throw away used needles in a puncture-proof container (ask your 
pharmacist where you can get one and how to dispose of it). Keep this 
container out of the reach of children and pets. Do not freeze Victoza, 
and throw away the medication if it has become frozen.

What happens if I miss a dose?
Use the missed dose as soon as you remember. Skip the missed dose if it 
is almost time for your next scheduled dose. Do not use extra medicine 
to make up the missed dose.

What happens if I overdose?
Seek emergency medical attention or call the Poison Help line Victoza 
overdose may cause severe nausea and vomiting.

Victoza side effects
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an 
allergic reaction to Victoza: hives; difficult breathing; swelling of 
your face, lips, tongue, or throat. Call your doctor at once if you 
have a serious side effect such as:

- swelling or a lump in your throat area;
-hoarse voice, trouble swallowing, feeling short of breath;
-urinating less than usual or not at all;
-weakness, confusion, increased thirst, loss of appetite, pounding 
heartbeats or fluttering in your chest; -swelling, weight gain, feeling 
short of breath;
-pancreatitis - severe pain in your upper stomach spreading to your 
back, nausea and vomiting, loss of appetite, fast heart rate; or -signs 
of infection such as fever, chills, sore throat, flu symptoms, easy 
bruising or bleeding (nosebleeds, bleeding gums), mouth sores, unusual 
weakness.

Less serious Victoza side effects may include:
-headache, dizziness;
-upset stomach, loss of appetite;
-nausea, vomiting;
-diarrhea, constipation;
 -cold symptoms such as stuffy nose, sneezing, sinus pain, sore throat; 
-back pain;
-tired feeling;
-mild skin rash; or
-redness or rash where the medicine was injected.
This is not a complete list of Victoza side effects and others may 
occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may 
report side effects to F D A at 1-800-F D A-1088.

What other drugs will affect Victoza?
Victoza can make it harder for your body to absorb other medications 
you take by mouth. Tell your doctor about all medications you take by 
mouth, especially oral diabetes medications(Glucotrol, Metaglip, 
Amaryl, Avandaryl, Duetact, DiaBeta, Micronase, Glucovance, and others).

There may be other drugs that can interact with Victoza. Tell your 
doctor about all medications you use. This includes prescription, 
over-the-counter, vitamin, and herbal products. Do not start a new 
medication without telling your doctor.

For Healthcare Professionals
Applies to liraglutide: subcutaneous solution

Gastrointestinal
Gastrointestinal side effects have included nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, 
constipation, abdominal pain, decreased appetite, anorexia, dyspepsia, 
and pancreatitis.

Metabolic
Metabolic side effects have included hypoglycemia, especially when 
combined with a sulfonylurea. Postmarketing side effects have included 
dehydration from nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

Nervous system
Nervous system side effects have included headache and dizziness.

Respiratory
Respiratory side effects have included nasopharyngitis, upper 
respiratory tract infection, and sinusitis.

General
General side effects have included influenza and fatigue.

Cardiovascular
Cardiovascular side effects have included hypertension.

Genitourinary
Genitourinary side effects have included urinary tract infection.

Musculoskeletal
Musculoskeletal side effects have included back pain.

Local
Local side effects have included injection site rash and erythema.

Immunologic
Immunologic side effects have included urticaria and angioedema.

Hypersensitivity
Hypersensitivity side effects reported postmarketing have included 
angioedema and anaphylactic reactions, rash and pruritus.

Renal
Postmarketing side effects have included increased serum creatinine, 
acute renal failure or worsening of chronic renal failure, sometimes 
requiring hemodialysis.

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From natemaster at atmc.net  Sat Mar 16 23:30:15 2013
From: natemaster at atmc.net (Doug Billiar)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Type 2 medications warning
Message-ID: <D7BC5A942748494F903271BD3459F768@dougpc>

FDA to Examine Pancreatic-Duct Metaplasia With Incretins

 

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is evaluating an increased risk
for pancreatitis and precancerous cellular changes called pancreatic-duct
metaplasia

associated with incretin mimetic drugs used to treat patients with type 2
diabetes. This covers the glucagonlike peptide-1 (GLP-1) agonists and the
DPP-4

inhibitors, or "gliptins," both relatively new classes of agent used to
treat adults with type 2 diabetes.

 

In the

drug-safety communication,

issued today, the agency says this is in response to "unpublished new
findings by a group of academic researchers," based on examination of a
small number

of pancreatic-tissue specimens taken from patients after they died from
unspecified causes.

 

This is the first time the FDA has issued a communication with regard to the
potential risk for precancerous findings of the pancreas with incretin
mimetics.

It emphasizes, however, that it "has not concluded these drugs may cause or
contribute to the development of pancreatic cancer."

 

The FDA has asked the academic researchers to provide the tissue samples so
it can further investigate this potential toxicity. Incretin mimetic agents

on the market in the US include exenatide (Byetta/Bydureon, Lilly/Amylin
Pharmaceuticals), liraglutide (Victoza, Novo Nordisk), sitagliptin
(Januvia/Janumet/Janumet

XR/Juvisync, Merck), saxagliptin (Onglyza/Kombiglyze XR, Bristol-Myers
Squibb/AstraZeneca), alogliptin (Nesina/Kazano/Oseni, Takeda
Pharmaceuticals/Furiex),

and linagliptin (Tradjenta/Jentadueto, Boehringer Ingelheim).

 

The FDA notes, however, that it "has not reached any new conclusions about
safety risks with incretin mimetic drugs. This early communication is
intended

only to inform the public and healthcare professionals that the agency
intends to obtain and evaluate this new information."

 

And it stresses: "At this time, patients should continue to take their
medicine as directed until they talk to their healthcare professional, and
healthcare

professionals should continue to follow the prescribing recommendations in
the drug labels."

 

Not the First Warning About Pancreatitis

 

The FDA has previously alerted the public to postmarketing reports of acute
pancreatitis, including fatal and serious nonfatal cases, associated with
the

use of exenatide and sitagliptin. The "Warnings and Precautions" section of
the drug labels and the patient medication guides for incretin mimetics
contain

warnings about the risk for acute pancreatitis, it notes.

 

Most recently, a

study published last month

that examined insurance records found the use of exenatide or sitagliptin
could double the risk of developing acute pancreatitis, but the authors of
that

paper also urged patients not to stop taking their medication.

 

In addition, in a joint statement, the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists (AACE) and the American Diabetes Association called into
question

the strength of the study's findings, noting that the analysis linked the
drug class with a relatively small excess risk for hospitalization for acute

pancreatitis - only 2 additional cases per 100 patients over a 3-year
period. Both the AACE and ADA reiterated that patients should not change
their treatment

on the basis of this research.

 

The FDA says it is continuing to evaluate all available data to further
understand this potential safety issue and will participate in the National
Institute

of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) and National Cancer
Institute (NCI)

Workshop on Pancreatitis-Diabetes-Pancreatic Cancer in June 2013

to gather and share additional information.

 

FDA will communicate its final conclusions and recommendations when its
review is complete or when the agency has additional information to report.

 

More information about today's drug safety communication is available on the
FDA

website.

 
 
 
 
Doug Billiar and Weaver
natemaster at atmc.net
 
 
Somedays you are the dog, somedays you are the hydrant. - Unknown
 
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 05:03:52 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:03:52 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
References: <5144dfee.67beec0a.6622.ffffee6bSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9C8269602ECC4DC78DE9610D2D77F0F0@DBTOA000>

I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great results 
on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare I 
plan on using Victoza, also.

Joy 




From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 17 07:57:40 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 02:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <9C8269602ECC4DC78DE9610D2D77F0F0@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>

Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
you too low.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
results 
on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
I 
plan on using Victoza, also.

Joy 


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From debbiewunder at centurytel.net  Sun Mar 17 16:15:51 2013
From: debbiewunder at centurytel.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
References: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EEB4FE87FECE45659884B90B709B9D4F@DEBBIECOMPUTER>

Is this drug similar to viata? I am sure I spelled the drug wrong. If so, do 
you know if it works the same way?

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Joy Stigile'" <joystigile at gmail.com>; "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" 
<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


> Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
> with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
> type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
> necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
> you too low.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joy Stigile
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>
>
> I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
> results
> on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
> I
> plan on using Victoza, also.
>
> Joy
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 17 16:38:02 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 09:38:02 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <EEB4FE87FECE45659884B90B709B9D4F@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
References: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>
	<EEB4FE87FECE45659884B90B709B9D4F@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
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Never heard of it.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Debbie Wunder
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:16 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind; 'Joy Stigile'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.

Is this drug similar to viata? I am sure I spelled the drug wrong. If so, do
you know if it works the same way?

Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Joy Stigile'" <joystigile at gmail.com>; "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" 
<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


> Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
> with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
> type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
> necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
> you too low.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joy Stigile
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>
>
> I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
> results
> on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
> I
> plan on using Victoza, also.
>
> Joy
>
>
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 18:17:46 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (rshelton1 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <00bf01ce232d$cba98cb0$62fca610$@panix.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>
	<EEB4FE87FECE45659884B90B709B9D4F@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
	<00bf01ce232d$cba98cb0$62fca610$@panix.com>
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Both drugs are in the same family. There was a message on-list yesterday regarding new findings for this class of medication.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2013, at 11:38 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> Never heard of it.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Debbie Wunder
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:16 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind; 'Joy Stigile'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
> 
> Is this drug similar to viata? I am sure I spelled the drug wrong. If so, do
> you know if it works the same way?
> 
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Joy Stigile'" <joystigile at gmail.com>; "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" 
> <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
> 
> 
>> Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
>> with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
>> type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
>> necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
>> you too low.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Joy Stigile
>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>> 
>> 
>> I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
>> results
>> on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
>> I
>> plan on using Victoza, also.
>> 
>> Joy
>> 
>> 
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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar 17 20:35:14 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <9C8269602ECC4DC78DE9610D2D77F0F0@DBTOA000>
	<BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000c01ce234e$ee73f0c0$cb5bd240$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

I also know some type one's who are getting great results with Victoza for
those after-meal spikes. And who knows! No law says that a type 1 can't
develop some resistance as well. But I always thought that the mechanism by
which Victoza worked was a little different and that it wasn't just forcing
one's body to crank out more insulin. I thought the pills did that. Hmmmm.
Interesting stuff though.
Veronica

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Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:58 AM
To: 'Joy Stigile'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.

Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
you too low.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
results 
on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
I 
plan on using Victoza, also.

Joy 


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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Sun Mar 17 20:36:38 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:36:38 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <00bf01ce232d$cba98cb0$62fca610$@panix.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl>	<EEB4FE87FECE45659884B90B709B9D4F@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
	<00bf01ce232d$cba98cb0$62fca610$@panix.com>
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Debbie, it is similar to Bieta, but is not supposed to have as many bad side
affects as Bieta does. I know the endocrinologist I know prefers it.
Veronica

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http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407



-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:38 AM
To: 'Debbie Wunder'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.

Never heard of it.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Debbie Wunder
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:16 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind; 'Joy Stigile'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.

Is this drug similar to viata? I am sure I spelled the drug wrong. If so, do
you know if it works the same way?

Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Joy Stigile'" <joystigile at gmail.com>; "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" 
<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


> Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
> with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
> type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
> necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
> you too low.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joy Stigile
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>
>
> I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
> results
> on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
> I
> plan on using Victoza, also.
>
> Joy
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 17 20:47:04 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:47:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <000c01ce234e$ee73f0c0$cb5bd240$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP241F0CD738927DBA2ED356EC4EF0@phx.gbl>

Hmmm... Interesting. I suppose if you have insulin sensitivity though it
wouldn't be adviseable to use? Have never heard of type 1's doing this.
Well have to investigate.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Veronica Elsea
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:35 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


I also know some type one's who are getting great results with Victoza
for those after-meal spikes. And who knows! No law says that a type 1
can't develop some resistance as well. But I always thought that the
mechanism by which Victoza worked was a little different and that it
wasn't just forcing one's body to crank out more insulin. I thought the
pills did that. Hmmmm. Interesting stuff though. Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:58 AM
To: 'Joy Stigile'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.

Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
you too low.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
results 
on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
I 
plan on using Victoza, also.

Joy 


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 17 20:50:25 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:50:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
In-Reply-To: <000e01ce234f$20307c00$60917400$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2796EA163917892DE8525E1C4EF0@phx.gbl>

A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you
calcium deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo,
and she had never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of you
who stated this what more info you have. My endo was quite skeptical and
said this has never been listed as a possible side affect or had
patients with this problem. Just curious.

Bridgit




From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 22:03:04 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:03:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP2796EA163917892DE8525E1C4EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <000e01ce234f$20307c00$60917400$@laurelcreekmusic.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP2796EA163917892DE8525E1C4EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <174501ce235b$33ae4c60$9b0ae520$@gmail.com>

Looks like it's a real condition associated with diabetes, but the cause is
not known.
http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/related-condition
s/frozen-shoulder.html

.Frozen shoulder is a condition where progressively worse pain and stiffness
in the joint causes immobility of the shoulder. 
.Diabetes is a risk factor for frozen shoulder, but doctors are still
researching the relationship. 
.Physical therapy, though painful, is generally recommended.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits

A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you calcium
deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo, and she had
never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of you who stated this
what more info you have. My endo was quite skeptical and said this has never
been listed as a possible side affect or had patients with this problem.
Just curious.

Bridgit


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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 01:43:05 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
In-Reply-To: <00bf01ce232d$cba98cb0$62fca610$@panix.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP1726BD3FF1CCA3E66B9251BC4EF0@phx.gbl><EEB4FE87FECE45659884B90B709B9D4F@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
	<00bf01ce232d$cba98cb0$62fca610$@panix.com>
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Byetta ... I think?

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Debbie Wunder'" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>; "'Diabetes Talk for the 
Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.


> Never heard of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Debbie Wunder
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:16 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind; 'Joy Stigile'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>
> Is this drug similar to viata? I am sure I spelled the drug wrong. If so, 
> do
> you know if it works the same way?
>
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Joy Stigile'" <joystigile at gmail.com>; "'Diabetes Talk for the 
> Blind'"
> <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>
>
>> Type one, really? Insulin should be enough unless perhaps they struggle
>> with really high numbers a lot, but I've never heard of type 1's using
>> type 2 treatments. For most, the combination of insulin, which is
>> necessary for type 1's, and a pill med, used for type 2's,  would drop
>> you too low.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Joy Stigile
>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:04 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Victoza.
>>
>>
>> I have a friend who has type 1 and is on Insulin and is having great
>> results
>> on Victoza.  Next January when I have better drug coverage with Medicare
>> I
>> plan on using Victoza, also.
>>
>> Joy
>>
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 18 18:56:20 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
In-Reply-To: <174501ce235b$33ae4c60$9b0ae520$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP45404064A5C9BE1FA815B63C4E80@phx.gbl>

But this is specific to the shoulder. I wonder why this is, or can it
happen to other areas of the body?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:03 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits


Looks like it's a real condition associated with diabetes, but the cause
is not known.
http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/related-condi
tion
s/frozen-shoulder.html

.Frozen shoulder is a condition where progressively worse pain and
stiffness in the joint causes immobility of the shoulder. 
.Diabetes is a risk factor for frozen shoulder, but doctors are still
researching the relationship. 
.Physical therapy, though painful, is generally recommended.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits

A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you
calcium deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo,
and she had never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of you
who stated this what more info you have. My endo was quite skeptical and
said this has never been listed as a possible side affect or had
patients with this problem. Just curious.

Bridgit


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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 18 21:30:53 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP45404064A5C9BE1FA815B63C4E80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP45404064A5C9BE1FA815B63C4E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D72143E-70A3-4ECE-9B30-412F87658057@panix.com>

Trigger-finger?

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:56, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:

> But this is specific to the shoulder. I wonder why this is, or can it
> happen to other areas of the body?
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:03 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
> 
> 
> Looks like it's a real condition associated with diabetes, but the cause
> is not known.
> http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/related-condi
> tion
> s/frozen-shoulder.html
> 
> .Frozen shoulder is a condition where progressively worse pain and
> stiffness in the joint causes immobility of the shoulder. 
> .Diabetes is a risk factor for frozen shoulder, but doctors are still
> researching the relationship. 
> .Physical therapy, though painful, is generally recommended.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
> 
> A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you
> calcium deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo,
> and she had never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of you
> who stated this what more info you have. My endo was quite skeptical and
> said this has never been listed as a possible side affect or had
> patients with this problem. Just curious.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> 
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From dwightej7 at comcast.net  Mon Mar 18 22:33:56 2013
From: dwightej7 at comcast.net (Dwight Johnson)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:33:56 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
References: <BLU0-SMTP45404064A5C9BE1FA815B63C4E80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B310C2F8208D4139A0CD449F2F0BA099@dwight>

A couple of years ago I had frozen shoulder.  I went to an orthopedist and 
he told me it was adhesive capsulitis  I don't think it has anything to do 
with insulin because I don't take insulin but he said it is probably due to 
my being diabetic..  It resolved itself in about six months..



Here is an explanation of adhesive capsulitis.

Frozen shoulder, medically referred to as adhesive capsulitis, is a disorder 
in which the shoulder capsule, the connective tissue surrounding the 
glenohumeral joint of the shoulder, becomes inflamed and stiff, greatly 
restricting motion and causing chronic pain.

Adhesive capsulitis is a painful and disabling condition that often causes 
great frustration for patients and caregivers due to slow recovery. Movement 
of the shoulder is severely restricted. Pain is usually constant, worse at 
night, and when the weather is colder; and along with the restricted 
movement can make even small tasks impossible. Certain movements or bumps 
can cause sudden onset of tremendous pain and cramping that can last several 
minutes.


This condition, for which an exact cause is unknown, can last from five 
months to three years or more and is thought in some cases to be caused by 
injury or trauma to the area. It is believed that it may have an autoimmune 
component, with the body attacking healthy tissue in the capsule. There is 
also a lack of fluid in the joint, further restricting movement.

In addition to difficulty with everyday tasks, people who suffer from 
adhesive capsulitis usually experience problems sleeping for extended 
periods due to pain that is worse at night and restricted 
movement/positions. The condition also can lead to depression, pain, and 
problems in the neck and back.

Risk factors for frozen shoulder include diabetes, stroke, accidents, lung 
disease, connective tissue disorders, and heart disease. The condition very 
rarely appears in people under 40.

Treatment may be painful and taxing and consists of physical therapy, 
medication, massage therapy, hydrodilatation or surgery. A doctor may also 
perform manipulation under anesthesia, which breaks up the adhesions and 
scar tissue in the joint to help restore some range of motion. Pain and 
inflammation can be controlled with analgesics and NSAIDs. The condition 
tends to be self-limiting: it usually resolves over time without surgery, 
but this may take up to two years. Most people regain about 90% of shoulder 
motion over time. People who suffer from adhesive capsulitis may have 
extreme difficulty working and going about normal life activities for 
several months or longer.


Dwight Johnson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits


> But this is specific to the shoulder. I wonder why this is, or can it
> happen to other areas of the body?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:03 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>
>
> Looks like it's a real condition associated with diabetes, but the cause
> is not known.
> http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/related-condi
> tion
> s/frozen-shoulder.html
>
> .Frozen shoulder is a condition where progressively worse pain and
> stiffness in the joint causes immobility of the shoulder.
> .Diabetes is a risk factor for frozen shoulder, but doctors are still
> researching the relationship.
> .Physical therapy, though painful, is generally recommended.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>
> A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you
> calcium deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo,
> and she had never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of you
> who stated this what more info you have. My endo was quite skeptical and
> said this has never been listed as a possible side affect or had
> patients with this problem. Just curious.
>
> Bridgit
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 19 01:16:07 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: survey about glucose detecting dogs
Message-ID: <016401ce243f$5b3320a0$119961e0$@panix.com>

I have been asked to pass along the announcement below.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind


-----Original Message-----
From: Petry,Nancy M. [mailto:NPetry at uchc.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:13 AM
To: k7uij at panix.com
Subject: suvery about glucose detecting dogs

Dear Mr. Freeman,

Researchers are conducting a survey about the use of dogs for detecting
glucose levels in persons with diabetes. Could you please post this survey
link on your website, or forward it to your list serves so that anyone who
has had a dog that can (or was trained to) detect glucose levels can
respond?

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3WKM5D3

The survey is approved by the Institutional Review Board at the University
of Connecticut School of Medicine, and all responses will be confidential.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Sincerely,

Nancy M. Petry, Ph.D.
Professor of Medicine
University of Connecticut School of Medicine
263 Farmington Avenue
Farmington, CT 06030-3944




From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 19 01:39:43 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:39:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
In-Reply-To: <B310C2F8208D4139A0CD449F2F0BA099@dwight>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP27752D0C41EA6A00578BBE2C4E90@phx.gbl>

Thanks. This is very informative. It does not seem though, as you point
out, that it is caused by insulin use but just simply being diabetic.
Can it happen to the legs at all?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dwight Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:34 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits


A couple of years ago I had frozen shoulder.  I went to an orthopedist
and 
he told me it was adhesive capsulitis  I don't think it has anything to
do 
with insulin because I don't take insulin but he said it is probably due
to 
my being diabetic..  It resolved itself in about six months..



Here is an explanation of adhesive capsulitis.

Frozen shoulder, medically referred to as adhesive capsulitis, is a
disorder 
in which the shoulder capsule, the connective tissue surrounding the 
glenohumeral joint of the shoulder, becomes inflamed and stiff, greatly 
restricting motion and causing chronic pain.

Adhesive capsulitis is a painful and disabling condition that often
causes 
great frustration for patients and caregivers due to slow recovery.
Movement 
of the shoulder is severely restricted. Pain is usually constant, worse
at 
night, and when the weather is colder; and along with the restricted 
movement can make even small tasks impossible. Certain movements or
bumps 
can cause sudden onset of tremendous pain and cramping that can last
several 
minutes.


This condition, for which an exact cause is unknown, can last from five 
months to three years or more and is thought in some cases to be caused
by 
injury or trauma to the area. It is believed that it may have an
autoimmune 
component, with the body attacking healthy tissue in the capsule. There
is 
also a lack of fluid in the joint, further restricting movement.

In addition to difficulty with everyday tasks, people who suffer from 
adhesive capsulitis usually experience problems sleeping for extended 
periods due to pain that is worse at night and restricted 
movement/positions. The condition also can lead to depression, pain, and

problems in the neck and back.

Risk factors for frozen shoulder include diabetes, stroke, accidents,
lung 
disease, connective tissue disorders, and heart disease. The condition
very 
rarely appears in people under 40.

Treatment may be painful and taxing and consists of physical therapy, 
medication, massage therapy, hydrodilatation or surgery. A doctor may
also 
perform manipulation under anesthesia, which breaks up the adhesions and

scar tissue in the joint to help restore some range of motion. Pain and 
inflammation can be controlled with analgesics and NSAIDs. The condition

tends to be self-limiting: it usually resolves over time without
surgery, 
but this may take up to two years. Most people regain about 90% of
shoulder 
motion over time. People who suffer from adhesive capsulitis may have 
extreme difficulty working and going about normal life activities for 
several months or longer.


Dwight Johnson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits


> But this is specific to the shoulder. I wonder why this is, or can it 
> happen to other areas of the body?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:03 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>
>
> Looks like it's a real condition associated with diabetes, but the 
> cause is not known. 
> http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/related-con
> di
> tion
> s/frozen-shoulder.html
>
> .Frozen shoulder is a condition where progressively worse pain and 
> stiffness in the joint causes immobility of the shoulder. .Diabetes is

> a risk factor for frozen shoulder, but doctors are still researching 
> the relationship. .Physical therapy, though painful, is generally 
> recommended.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>
> A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you 
> calcium deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo,

> and she had never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of 
> you who stated this what more info you have. My endo was quite 
> skeptical and said this has never been listed as a possible side 
> affect or had patients with this problem. Just curious.
>
> Bridgit
>
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Tue Mar 19 02:57:05 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: survey about glucose detecting dogs
Message-ID: ee26ca47-a80c-48a0-a641-fbc843050394@samobile.net

Well, I won't be doing any survey but I have also heard of a cat who 
woke up someone with low blood sugar, and this cat was a stray, they 
almost didn't keep, because they already had one.
Linda.



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Tue Mar 19 02:59:02 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:59:02 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
Message-ID: 3ffc2f0d-571a-48d7-8548-f36194f89e98@samobile.net

I think I was the first one to mention frozen shouldr here, but I'm not 
sure if I mentioned that I wasn't taking insulin when I had frozen 
shoulder, and neither was the friend who told me what I had, because he 
had already had it.
Linda.



From kthornbury at bresnan.net  Tue Mar 19 17:44:32 2013
From: kthornbury at bresnan.net (Kelly Thornbury)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin and calcium deposits
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1363712415.29617.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.29.1363712415.29617.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <0786FC51-E388-4672-8EAC-417895B303B0@bresnan.net>

Since this topic first came up I've searched dozens of medical journals and couldn't find any good studies or published findings on the subject. Not saying it isn't out there, but if it is its pretty obscure. What I did come across is a correlation between diabetes (both insulin-dependent and not) and calcium deposits in arteries (causing athroscorosis or hardening of the arteries). Increased serum insulin levels increases serum triglycerides, which may be a cause (just speculating as none of the research specifically said this). Also, there are studies that show bone calcium deposits on Type II diabetics, but the studies attributed this to most likely being caused by obesity (placing more stress on the bones causing increased bone density) rather than the diabetes itself. So as to the question whether it could affect more than just the shoulder, most likely. I looked at a couple studies on "frozen shoulder" and diabetes, and the correlation seemed a little weak to me. The studies I read left a lot of questions like past history and current activity unanswered...they just didn't look at as many alternate possibilities for the condition as I would have liked to have seen (probably why I'm not a diabetic frozen shoulder researcher, eh?). 

As for trigger finger, I think that is typically when a tendon slips from the normal groove it travels during a muscle contraction. So maybe, it (or for that matter frozen shoulder I guess) could be more frequent in diabetics with less than perfect control, or a diabetic that went a long time as undiagnosed. As the lack of insulin causes the body to catabolise muscle for fuel, the tendon tension would be less and the chance of it slipping out of its normal groove would increase...Perhaps? 




From kthornbury at bresnan.net  Tue Mar 19 17:49:08 2013
From: kthornbury at bresnan.net (Kelly Thornbury)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:49:08 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Omni Pod Pump users
Message-ID: <24942767-72BD-4C05-85B0-9B7F37002DBD@bresnan.net>

Is anyone currently using, or have used, the Omni Pod pump. I'm curious as to how you found accessing the PDM, the accompanying software for downloading data, and its overall use. Is anyone using the latest, smaller pods? I've ordered a demo kit, but it will be a few weeks before the demos are available and shipped. 





From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 19 19:00:36 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:00:36 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Omni Pod Pump users
In-Reply-To: <24942767-72BD-4C05-85B0-9B7F37002DBD@bresnan.net>
References: <24942767-72BD-4C05-85B0-9B7F37002DBD@bresnan.net>
Message-ID: <585AA75E-C3CA-4B82-ABF1-742495B2E7FF@panix.com>

The last time I took a look at the system -- in 2008 or 2009 -- it was not accessible. I did not look at the software to upload readings to a computer. The Omnipod people expressed some interest in seeing if an accessible remote could be built but that was as far as we got. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:49, Kelly Thornbury <kthornbury at bresnan.net> wrote:

> Is anyone currently using, or have used, the Omni Pod pump. I'm curious as to how you found accessing the PDM, the accompanying software for downloading data, and its overall use. Is anyone using the latest, smaller pods? I've ordered a demo kit, but it will be a few weeks before the demos are available and shipped. 
> 
> 
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From dwightej7 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 19 21:57:56 2013
From: dwightej7 at comcast.net (Dwight Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
References: <BLU0-SMTP27752D0C41EA6A00578BBE2C4E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <642041721DDE4E199AA8A72BD39AF2FC@dwight>

Your welcome.
I have no knowledge of it happening to the legs.
Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits


> Thanks. This is very informative. It does not seem though, as you point
> out, that it is caused by insulin use but just simply being diabetic.
> Can it happen to the legs at all?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Dwight Johnson
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:34 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>
>
> A couple of years ago I had frozen shoulder.  I went to an orthopedist
> and
> he told me it was adhesive capsulitis  I don't think it has anything to
> do
> with insulin because I don't take insulin but he said it is probably due
> to
> my being diabetic..  It resolved itself in about six months..
>
>
>
> Here is an explanation of adhesive capsulitis.
>
> Frozen shoulder, medically referred to as adhesive capsulitis, is a
> disorder
> in which the shoulder capsule, the connective tissue surrounding the
> glenohumeral joint of the shoulder, becomes inflamed and stiff, greatly
> restricting motion and causing chronic pain.
>
> Adhesive capsulitis is a painful and disabling condition that often
> causes
> great frustration for patients and caregivers due to slow recovery.
> Movement
> of the shoulder is severely restricted. Pain is usually constant, worse
> at
> night, and when the weather is colder; and along with the restricted
> movement can make even small tasks impossible. Certain movements or
> bumps
> can cause sudden onset of tremendous pain and cramping that can last
> several
> minutes.
>
>
> This condition, for which an exact cause is unknown, can last from five
> months to three years or more and is thought in some cases to be caused
> by
> injury or trauma to the area. It is believed that it may have an
> autoimmune
> component, with the body attacking healthy tissue in the capsule. There
> is
> also a lack of fluid in the joint, further restricting movement.
>
> In addition to difficulty with everyday tasks, people who suffer from
> adhesive capsulitis usually experience problems sleeping for extended
> periods due to pain that is worse at night and restricted
> movement/positions. The condition also can lead to depression, pain, and
>
> problems in the neck and back.
>
> Risk factors for frozen shoulder include diabetes, stroke, accidents,
> lung
> disease, connective tissue disorders, and heart disease. The condition
> very
> rarely appears in people under 40.
>
> Treatment may be painful and taxing and consists of physical therapy,
> medication, massage therapy, hydrodilatation or surgery. A doctor may
> also
> perform manipulation under anesthesia, which breaks up the adhesions and
>
> scar tissue in the joint to help restore some range of motion. Pain and
> inflammation can be controlled with analgesics and NSAIDs. The condition
>
> tends to be self-limiting: it usually resolves over time without
> surgery,
> but this may take up to two years. Most people regain about 90% of
> shoulder
> motion over time. People who suffer from adhesive capsulitis may have
> extreme difficulty working and going about normal life activities for
> several months or longer.
>
>
> Dwight Johnson
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>
>
>> But this is specific to the shoulder. I wonder why this is, or can it
>> happen to other areas of the body?
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:03 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>>
>>
>> Looks like it's a real condition associated with diabetes, but the
>> cause is not known.
>> http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/related-con
>> di
>> tion
>> s/frozen-shoulder.html
>>
>> .Frozen shoulder is a condition where progressively worse pain and
>> stiffness in the joint causes immobility of the shoulder. .Diabetes is
>
>> a risk factor for frozen shoulder, but doctors are still researching
>> the relationship. .Physical therapy, though painful, is generally
>> recommended.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:50 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Back to calcium deposits
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, it was brought up that insulin can give you
>> calcium deposits after prolonged use, but I mentioned this to my endo,
>
>> and she had never heard of such a thing. I'm curious as to those of
>> you who stated this what more info you have. My endo was quite
>> skeptical and said this has never been listed as a possible side
>> affect or had patients with this problem. Just curious.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 02:31:46 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: bc21d618-f325-4891-95e5-60a7d8894f6e@samobile.net

I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
Had dinner then gave it all back.
I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
Will call over tomorrow.
I felt so tired, really drained.
I want my happy self back again.
I also have burning in the chest.
I think this is from acid.
Glad for those who can take it.
I played the game now game is over.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 02:37:37 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:37:37 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514bc2c9.42032b0a.55b7.ffffdc59SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <008501ce26a6$37fb8460$a7f28d20$@gmail.com>

Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely uninformed
by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is almost like a
chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill quickly -- very
quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the same experience here,
and it's not very pleasant.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
Had dinner then gave it all back.
I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
Will call over tomorrow.
I felt so tired, really drained.
I want my happy self back again.
I also have burning in the chest.
I think this is from acid.
Glad for those who can take it.
I played the game now game is over.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 02:46:02 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:46:02 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: b36ff27a-a1b1-454a-b417-abf4a7d09c74@samobile.net

Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own.
I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely uninformed
> by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is almost like a
> chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill quickly -- very
> quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the same experience here,
> and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
> Had dinner then gave it all back.
> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
> Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 04:42:29 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:42:29 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514bc620.430b2b0a.68c0.2f12SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <514bc620.430b2b0a.68c0.2f12SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00e801ce26b7$aa0d44b0$fe27ce10$@gmail.com>

Yes.  Linda also has diabetic parisus, which makes me wonder why her
endocrinologist prescribed the stuff.

She's doing OK, just Lantus and humulog to correct.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own.
I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
> Had dinner then gave it all back.
> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
> Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 04:48:32 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 4407485d-eb5d-475c-8c0a-8caa0342f866@samobile.net

Oh I am pleased she is doing ok.
Did she get her spark of life back, her energy wanting to do things again?
that is what I want back.
My energy.

Original message:
> Yes.  Linda also has diabetic parisus, which makes me wonder why her
> endocrinologist prescribed the stuff.

> She's doing OK, just Lantus and humulog to correct.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own.
> I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>> Had dinner then gave it all back.
>> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
>> Will call over tomorrow.
>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>> I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
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>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 04:52:37 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:52:37 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514be2c4.c99d2a0a.7abd.2c08SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <514be2c4.c99d2a0a.7abd.2c08SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00f001ce26b9$14224ac0$3c66e040$@gmail.com>

Yes, although that has been a struggle for her since she was diagnosed.  I'm
trying to get her into some form of regular exercise.  That's gonna be a
tough sell.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh I am pleased she is doing ok.
Did she get her spark of life back, her energy wanting to do things again?
that is what I want back.
My energy.

Original message:
> Yes.  Linda also has diabetic parisus, which makes me wonder why her 
> endocrinologist prescribed the stuff.

> She's doing OK, just Lantus and humulog to correct.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own.
> I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>> Had dinner then gave it all back.
>> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
>> Will call over tomorrow.
>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>> I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
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>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 04:57:01 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:57:01 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: e150db13-b68f-4e2f-b856-b66d51daddae@samobile.net

Oh I love to exercise when I feel on top of it.
If I feel really tired then exercising is harder.
I hope she can do this only if she wishes.

Original message:
> Yes, although that has been a struggle for her since she was diagnosed.  I'm
> trying to get her into some form of regular exercise.  That's gonna be a
> tough sell.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:49 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Oh I am pleased she is doing ok.
> Did she get her spark of life back, her energy wanting to do things again?
> that is what I want back.
> My energy.

> Original message:
>> Yes.  Linda also has diabetic parisus, which makes me wonder why her
>> endocrinologist prescribed the stuff.

>> She's doing OK, just Lantus and humulog to correct.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own.
>> I hope it isn't a long night.

>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>> Had dinner then gave it all back.
>>> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
>>> Will call over tomorrow.
>>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>>> I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 05:00:24 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:00:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514be4eb.430b2b0a.02a1.4d9cSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <514be4eb.430b2b0a.02a1.4d9cSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00f201ce26ba$2a2148c0$7e63da40$@gmail.com>

Right.  I'm trying to be supportive without being a nanny.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:57 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh I love to exercise when I feel on top of it.
If I feel really tired then exercising is harder.
I hope she can do this only if she wishes.

Original message:
> Yes, although that has been a struggle for her since she was 
> diagnosed.  I'm trying to get her into some form of regular exercise.  
> That's gonna be a tough sell.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:49 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Oh I am pleased she is doing ok.
> Did she get her spark of life back, her energy wanting to do things again?
> that is what I want back.
> My energy.

> Original message:
>> Yes.  Linda also has diabetic parisus, which makes me wonder why her 
>> endocrinologist prescribed the stuff.

>> She's doing OK, just Lantus and humulog to correct.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own.
>> I hope it isn't a long night.

>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>> had the same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>> Had dinner then gave it all back.
>>> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
>>> Will call over tomorrow.
>>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>>> I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future

>>> _______________________________________________
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>> --
>> --Dar
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 22 05:10:27 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:10:27 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: b36ff27a-a1b1-454a-b417-abf4a7d09c74@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP128B054D56FBC462CC5F503C4D40@phx.gbl>

When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary
state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an
entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy
portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind
to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for
one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can cut
back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
general.

Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the
time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed
to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the
toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.

And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to
drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I
test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar,
or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another
level to our daily life, sigh.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
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>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> every sinner has a future

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 05:16:04 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP128B054D56FBC462CC5F503C4D40@phx.gbl>
References: b36ff27a-a1b1-454a-b417-abf4a7d09c74@samobile.net
	<BLU0-SMTP128B054D56FBC462CC5F503C4D40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00f401ce26bc$5a6e5390$0f4afab0$@gmail.com>

I agree with all you say.  And, the one thing my sweety has a big problem
with is exercise.  She eats reasonable portions and good healthy food, but
hard to get her off the couch.  She has lupus, which contributes both to the
diabetes and the soreness that makes exercise difficult.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:10 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people to
not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary state
of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an entire
lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy portions.
This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind to
get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so difficult, but
when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for one day a week when
you can eat what ever food you just can't live without, though still in a
moderate portion size. Whether it be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food,
cookies, chips-- whatever your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large
quantity of weight, you can cut back on calories, but in order to remain
healthy and maintain weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then
go back to old habits.
Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in general.

Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, smile.
I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and playing with
him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the time especially
time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all
the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the toning again.
Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.

And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to drop
when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I test before
and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar, or high one for
that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another level to our daily
life, sigh.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 05:19:02 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 53731d0a-b34f-441f-9e1b-061886b03eab@samobile.net

yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain tortilla.
This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us.
I am trying to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary
> state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an
> entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy
> portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the
> time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed
> to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the
> toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to
> drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I
> test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar,
> or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another
> level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>> I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future

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From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 13:54:57 2013
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:54:57 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514bc2d6.430b2b0a.2157.09f0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <514bc2d6.430b2b0a.2157.09f0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=LP_Pn_QoDTxNrzJ3cyZhFoZxva4Y8BT3o2EZtLYt8V4SRfg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Dar!!!  Now that you've succeeded in scaring the tar out of me
completely, you can be sure I'm not going there, no matter how
desperate I might be to shed weight!!!  Puking is not my idea of an
entertainment source.

Bern

On 3/21/13, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
> Had dinner then gave it all back.
> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
> Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.
>
> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 16:45:49 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 1a00ad20-5233-43d2-97da-c33d0140038b@samobile.net

Lets just say the night was long.
My heart rate was 112 lieing down.
Then it would slow down then speed up.
When it would start racing I would shake really hard.
I called over this morning sharing what happened.
The nurse said she would let the doctor know and he will decide.
My reply was I did.
Never will take that again.

Original message:
> Wow Dar!!!  Now that you've succeeded in scaring the tar out of me
> completely, you can be sure I'm not going there, no matter how
> desperate I might be to shed weight!!!  Puking is not my idea of an
> entertainment source.

> Bern

> On 3/21/13, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>> Had dinner then gave it all back.
>> I'm not playing this game until the second one decides to settle.
>> Will call over tomorrow.
>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>> I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future

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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Fri Mar 22 22:08:06 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 4509a051-f5e1-4b49-b750-16c558768afc@samobile.net

Oh my God! Diabetes and lupus! Lupus is such a brutal disease that 
sometimes you must wonder which is worse.
Linda.



From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 02:13:36 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514cd672.c99d2a0a.2fe5.103bSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <514cd672.c99d2a0a.2fe5.103bSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003301ce276c$077ee130$167ca390$@gmail.com>

It's tough for her sometimes.  She's doing well though.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
limestone lady
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:08 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh my God! Diabetes and lupus! Lupus is such a brutal disease that sometimes
you must wonder which is worse.
Linda.

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 02:20:54 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <514cd672.c99d2a0a.2fe5.103bSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <514cd672.c99d2a0a.2fe5.103bSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003501ce276d$0c77cf20$25676d60$@gmail.com>

I got this today from a colleague at work.  The article he sent is written
for a medical professional, but there is still some good info for anyone
willing to wade through the alphabet soup of acronyms.  I added a link to a
Wikipedia article that clarifies what the heck they are talking about.
Basically, Bieta and victosa are compounds derived from substances which
occur naturally in your gut.  For whatever reason, type II diabetics have
too little of these substances, or there is something going on which breaks
them down too quickly.  Anyway, here are the articles.  Very technical.

>From me:

Probably need to read this first just to get past the alphabet soup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incretin

From: Savely, Robert T. (JSC-ER111) 
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:03 PM
Subject: type II

http://www.medpagetoday.com/pdf/IMNE01/pages.cfm?understood=agree






From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 23 04:37:44 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <00f401ce26bc$5a6e5390$0f4afab0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24036B9A67DBCEC0A534322C4D50@phx.gbl>

Yeah, it can be difficult to find the motivation to exercise when you
don't feel great. Often exercise helps with this, but it's the einitial
getting up and doing it that's so hard to do. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


I agree with all you say.  And, the one thing my sweety has a big
problem with is exercise.  She eats reasonable portions and good healthy
food, but hard to get her off the couch.  She has lupus, which
contributes both to the diabetes and the soreness that makes exercise
difficult.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:10 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary
state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an
entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy
portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind
to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for
one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can cut
back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
general.

Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the
time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed
to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the
toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.

And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to
drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I
test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar,
or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another
level to our daily life, sigh.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

> _______________________________________________
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 23 04:41:01 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:41:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 53731d0a-b34f-441f-9e1b-061886b03eab@samobile.net
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Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
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>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>> every sinner has a future

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 23 14:09:12 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Message-ID: <001401ce27cf$ff31cb50$fd9561f0$@panix.com>

The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful lot
of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of the
medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made with
real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future

>> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 23 14:11:50 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:11:50 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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	<BLU0-SMTP24036B9A67DBCEC0A534322C4D50@phx.gbl>
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You forget that exercise is almost always damned boring, too. The only way I
stay on a treadmill is by reading a book!

And I power-lifted in high school and still love to walk -- but walking to
get somewhere is far preferable to walking to stay in shape IMO.

And I'm one of those for whom exercise *never* made me feel better. And I
see no more reason to become addicted to endorphins than any other drug!
<grin>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:38 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Yeah, it can be difficult to find the motivation to exercise when you
don't feel great. Often exercise helps with this, but it's the einitial
getting up and doing it that's so hard to do. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


I agree with all you say.  And, the one thing my sweety has a big
problem with is exercise.  She eats reasonable portions and good healthy
food, but hard to get her off the couch.  She has lupus, which
contributes both to the diabetes and the soreness that makes exercise
difficult.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:10 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary
state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an
entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy
portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind
to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for
one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can cut
back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
general.

Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the
time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed
to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the
toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.

And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to
drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I
test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar,
or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another
level to our daily life, sigh.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
> I felt so tired, really drained.
> I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 16:59:45 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:59:45 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In looking 
at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in 
refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry 
about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer 
touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much less 
hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike is 
absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of fat--what 
have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off eating 
regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are 
lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful 
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
> all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40sa
>> mo
>> bile.net
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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> bile.net
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>  FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 23 18:08:58 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <7DC5893D1A4E46A8B3BD6986F65D4FA3@SandiPC>
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Message-ID: <007a01ce27f1$7df8ebf0$79eac3d0$@panix.com>

Sandi:

I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between saturated
fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences you
cite below.

Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
admit. (grin)

Mike
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In looking

at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in 
refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry 
about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer 
touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much less 
hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike is 
absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of fat--what 
have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off eating

regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are 
lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful 
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
> all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
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>>> 4
>>> 0gmail
>>> .com
>
>
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>>> Diabetes-talk:
>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40sa
>> mo
>> bile.net
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> -- 
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>  FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 18:43:14 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (rshelton1 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:43:14 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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I don't know, endorphins are OK.  You're right about exercise being potentially boring, but I find that I get some of my most productive thinking done on the treadmill.  I used to run with my dog (a pet, not a guide) through our neighborhood, but zoning out while running can be dangerous.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2013, at 9:11 AM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> You forget that exercise is almost always damned boring, too. The only way I
> stay on a treadmill is by reading a book!
> 
> And I power-lifted in high school and still love to walk -- but walking to
> get somewhere is far preferable to walking to stay in shape IMO.
> 
> And I'm one of those for whom exercise *never* made me feel better. And I
> see no more reason to become addicted to endorphins than any other drug!
> <grin>
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:38 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> Yeah, it can be difficult to find the motivation to exercise when you
> don't feel great. Often exercise helps with this, but it's the einitial
> getting up and doing it that's so hard to do. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:16 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> I agree with all you say.  And, the one thing my sweety has a big
> problem with is exercise.  She eats reasonable portions and good healthy
> food, but hard to get her off the couch.  She has lupus, which
> contributes both to the diabetes and the soreness that makes exercise
> difficult.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:10 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary
> state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an
> entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy
> portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
> general.
> 
> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the
> time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed
> to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the
> toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
> 
> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to
> drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I
> test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar,
> or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another
> level to our daily life, sigh.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
> 
> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
>> I felt so tired, really drained.
>> I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.
> 
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>  FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
> 
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> 
> -- 
> --Dar
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 19:25:47 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the 
problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large 
amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the real 
food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm 
currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased diabetes, 
obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know 
that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and healthier, 
and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have been 
in our food!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Sandi:
>
> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between saturated
> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences 
> you
> cite below.
>
> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
> admit. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
> looking
>
> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry
> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much 
> less
> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike is
> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
> fat--what
> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off 
> eating
>
> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are
> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
>> lot
>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>> the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with 
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
>> all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>> turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>> anything should happen while over there.
>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Diabetes-talk:
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>>>> 4
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>>>> .com
>>
>>
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>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40sa
>>> mo
>>> bile.net
>>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Diabetes-talk:
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>>> 40
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>>
>>
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>> bile.net
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>  FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 23 20:05:25 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:05:25 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <1BD78FF3DFC8435DA4F3EF19463E69DC@SandiPC>
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I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the real
food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased diabetes,
obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and healthier,
and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have been
in our food!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Sandi:
>
> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between saturated
> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences 
> you
> cite below.
>
> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
> admit. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
> looking
>
> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry
> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much 
> less
> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike is
> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
> fat--what
> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off 
> eating
>
> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are
> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
>> lot
>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>> the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with 
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
>> all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>> turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>> anything should happen while over there.
>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 21:04:26 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:04:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Those are natural.  I'm talking about trans fats (hydrogenated or 
partially-hydrogenated) in frying shortening, etc., that used to be added to 
all sorts of foods.  If there's some trans fat in a real food, like your 
prime rib, there's no problem!

You know me--I think a low-carb diet is the most satisfying, tastiest way to 
go!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the real
> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased 
> diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
> healthier,
> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have 
> been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>> saturated
>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>> you
>> cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>> admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry
>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>> less
>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike 
>> is
>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>> fat--what
>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>> eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are
>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
>>> lot
>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>> the
>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>> belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>> the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>> represent
>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>> turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>> general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar 24 03:10:46 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 53c26b7e-aeaa-4ceb-ab23-06c2995dced0@samobile.net

I use grate northern beans.
Will never do turkey like that again.
I had some that spoiled where I never wanted to go back.
This time I just put in the rice with can't think of the name of the peppers.
Doing this in the crock pot.

Original message:
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.

> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.

> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.

>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.

>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar 24 03:30:11 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:30:11 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 023ff89e-8c42-4179-8ed6-49b1014385bc@samobile.net

Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.

Original message:
> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the real
> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and healthier,
> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have been
> in our food!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Sandi:

>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between saturated
>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>> you
>> cite below.

>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>> admit. (grin)

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking

>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry
>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>> less
>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike is
>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>> fat--what
>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>> eating

>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are
>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
>>> lot
>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>> the
>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>> belief.

>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>> the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
>>> all of you! :-)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>> turkey around here.

>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>> Keep up the swell work.

>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>> general.

>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future

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>>>> mo
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 13:44:08 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
Message-ID: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>

What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.

Original message:
> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the real
> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
healthier,
> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
been
> in our food!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Sandi:

>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
saturated
>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>> you
>> cite below.

>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>> admit. (grin)

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking

>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry
>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>> less
>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
is
>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>> fat--what
>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>> eating

>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are
>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
>>> lot
>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>> the
>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>> belief.

>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>> the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent
>>> all of you! :-)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>> turkey around here.

>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>> Keep up the swell work.

>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>> general.

>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future

>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
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>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40sa
>>>> mo
>>>> bile.net

>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future

>>>> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 14:02:14 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:02:14 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier
	Milk To Slimmer Kids
Message-ID: <00d001ce2898$30537940$90fa6bc0$@panix.com>

Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids

by Allison Aubrey

March 20, 201312:27 PM

Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at age
2.

David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/> 

Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at age
2.

The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old to-do
list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole milk to
low-fat milk.

Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.

As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to reduced-fat
milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?

After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American Academy
of Pediatrics.

The guidance <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>  is
based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as part of a
reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL cholesterol.
Given the body of evidence in adults linking high cholesterol to increased
risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep an eye on cholesterol,
beginning in childhood.

And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which should
help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's been the
assumption.

So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
<http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.short?
g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the Archives of
Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British Medical Journal,
finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher weight.

That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.

"We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
<http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He and
his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
<http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.

But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher body
weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups. DeBoer
says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain weight gain in
preschoolers over time.

The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents were
interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two occasions: once
when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years. Direct measurements
of height and weight (to calculate body mass index) were taken by
researchers.

Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.

In a 2005 study
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calcium+and
+weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported that
skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
9-to-14-year-olds.

And a 2010 study
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age 2 was
associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The researchers
concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat milk at 2 years did
not appear to prevent weight problems in early childhood.

When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower weight.

One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
satiety.

"This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after drinking
whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food options are high in
calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves a kid from eating an
extra cookie or a second serving of mashed potatoes, he or she may end up
eating fewer calories overall.

As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study is that
the researchers did not know how many calories the children were consuming
overall or what types of foods they were eating.

So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?

"I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, particularly if
there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. He says he hopes his
results lead to further, more definitive studies.

But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to give
low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/pediat
rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the University
of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.

"I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes much
sense from a biological perspective," he says.

Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels points
out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat milk were
already heavier.

"This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were already
overweight," Daniels says.

Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is that -
whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major driver
when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have shown that
sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-sugary-s
oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor> 

 



From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 15:30:58 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:30:58 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
	Fattier	Milk To Slimmer Kids
In-Reply-To: <00d001ce2898$30537940$90fa6bc0$@panix.com>
References: <00d001ce2898$30537940$90fa6bc0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00eb01ce28a4$95ce35b0$c16aa110$@panix.com>

I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think that
even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something that
doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the
pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true and
(2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these the
kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts" to admit
that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may *not* be
totally predictive of energy use.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier
Milk To Slimmer Kids

Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids

by Allison Aubrey

March 20, 201312:27 PM

Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at age
2.

David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/> 

Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at age
2.

The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old to-do
list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole milk to
low-fat milk.

Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.

As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to reduced-fat
milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?

After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American Academy
of Pediatrics.

The guidance <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>  is
based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as part of a
reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL cholesterol.
Given the body of evidence in adults linking high cholesterol to increased
risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep an eye on cholesterol,
beginning in childhood.

And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which should
help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's been the
assumption.

So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
<http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.short?
g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the Archives of
Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British Medical Journal,
finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher weight.

That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.

"We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
<http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He and
his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
<http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.

But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher body
weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups. DeBoer
says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain weight gain in
preschoolers over time.

The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents were
interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two occasions: once
when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years. Direct measurements
of height and weight (to calculate body mass index) were taken by
researchers.

Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.

In a 2005 study
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calcium+and
+weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported 
+weight+gain> that
skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
9-to-14-year-olds.

And a 2010 study
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age 2 was
associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The researchers
concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat milk at 2 years did
not appear to prevent weight problems in early childhood.

When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower weight.

One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
satiety.

"This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after drinking
whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food options are high in
calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves a kid from eating an
extra cookie or a second serving of mashed potatoes, he or she may end up
eating fewer calories overall.

As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study is that
the researchers did not know how many calories the children were consuming
overall or what types of foods they were eating.

So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?

"I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, particularly if
there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. He says he hopes his
results lead to further, more definitive studies.

But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to give
low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/pediat
rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the University
of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.

"I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes much
sense from a biological perspective," he says.

Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels points
out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat milk were
already heavier.

"This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were already
overweight," Daniels says.

Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is that -
whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major driver
when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have shown that
sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-sugary-s
oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor> 

 

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar 24 20:01:59 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:01:59 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
Message-ID: d813e14e-f19d-4450-9e62-12c08279a1d0@samobile.net

Oh glug only you would?

Original message:
> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.

> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the real
>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
>> in our food!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Sandi:

>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>> you
>>> cite below.

>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>> admit. (grin)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking

>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry
>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>> less
>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what
>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>> eating

>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are
>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
>>>> lot
>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>> the
>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>> belief.

>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>> the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>> turkey around here.

>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>> general.

>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 20:36:04 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
In-Reply-To: d813e14e-f19d-4450-9e62-12c08279a1d0@samobile.net
References: d813e14e-f19d-4450-9e62-12c08279a1d0@samobile.net
Message-ID: <013701ce28cf$34f69680$9ee3c380$@panix.com>

MMM ... I forgot about the daily beer ration! <g>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:02 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Oh glug only you would?

Original message:
> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.

> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! 
>> :-)

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really 
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem 
>> with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I 
>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>> and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>> have
> been
>> in our food!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Sandi:

>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>> consequences you cite below.

>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like to admit. (grin)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
>>> looking

>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  
>>> Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are 
>>> better off eating

>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give 
>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is 
>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.

>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected 
>>>> me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people

>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>> are better for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>> you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living 
>>>>> in general.

>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and

>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me 
>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.

>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
meals.

>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>> to fill

>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar 24 21:03:18 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:03:18 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
Message-ID: 170605d0-8b75-47ef-be8a-cae724836342@samobile.net

You rock,

Original message:
> MMM ... I forgot about the daily beer ration! <g>

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:02 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

> Oh glug only you would?

> Original message:
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to
>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and
>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.

>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib!
>>> :-)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier
>>> and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never
>>> have
>> been
>>> in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>> like to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are
>>>> better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is
>>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected
>>>>> me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that
>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>>>>> you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
> habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive
>>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living
>>>>>> in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven
>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me
>>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>> to fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 21:17:01 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:17:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
	FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids
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Message-ID: <EB0BD27568414B16BBC8EB8E2654DFDB@SandiPC>

This does not surprise me at all.  True, there aren't scientific study data 
to say for sure that whole milk produces satiety, while skim milk doesn't, 
but I've seen it clinically for years!  And experienced it personally.  For 
decades, I dieted, having cereal with skim milk, artificial sweetener, and 
fruit for breakfast.  And two hours later I was ravenous--if I made it two 
hours.

My first experiment was switching to 1% milk.  Even adding that tiny bit of 
fat made my usual breakfast more satisfying for a longer period--but I still 
couldn't get to lunch without a snack.

Over several years I have determined that, for me, the best breakfast is a 
couple of eggs and a few pieces of bacon--enough fat and protein to carry me 
all morning!  But this goes back to what I said yesterday--eat the real 
thing, not the modified or manufactured thing, and you'll 1) eat less and 2) 
be more satisfied longer!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:02 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links 
FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids


> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> by Allison Aubrey
>
> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>
> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at 
> age
> 2.
>
> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>
> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at 
> age
> 2.
>
> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old to-do
> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole milk 
> to
> low-fat milk.
>
> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>
> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to 
> reduced-fat
> milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>
> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American Academy
> of Pediatrics.
>
> The guidance <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349> 
> is
> based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as part of 
> a
> reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL cholesterol.
> Given the body of evidence in adults linking high cholesterol to increased
> risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep an eye on cholesterol,
> beginning in childhood.
>
> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which 
> should
> help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's been the
> assumption.
>
> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.short?
> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the Archives 
> of
> Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British Medical Journal,
> finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher weight.
>
> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>
> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He and
> his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>
> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher body
> weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups. DeBoer
> says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain weight gain 
> in
> preschoolers over time.
>
> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents 
> were
> interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two occasions: 
> once
> when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years. Direct 
> measurements
> of height and weight (to calculate body mass index) were taken by
> researchers.
>
> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.
>
> In a 2005 study
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calcium+and
> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported that
> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>
> And a 2010 study
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age 2 
> was
> associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The researchers
> concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat milk at 2 years 
> did
> not appear to prevent weight problems in early childhood.
>
> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
> intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower weight.
>
> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
> satiety.
>
> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after drinking
> whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food options are high 
> in
> calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves a kid from eating an
> extra cookie or a second serving of mashed potatoes, he or she may end up
> eating fewer calories overall.
>
> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study is 
> that
> the researchers did not know how many calories the children were consuming
> overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>
> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>
> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, particularly 
> if
> there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. He says he hopes his
> results lead to further, more definitive studies.
>
> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to give
> low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/pediat
> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the University
> of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.
>
> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes much
> sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>
> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
> cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels 
> points
> out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat milk were
> already heavier.
>
> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were already
> overweight," Daniels says.
>
> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is that -
> whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major 
> driver
> when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have shown that
> sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-sugary-s
> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>
>
>
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 21:25:25 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:25:25 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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	<013701ce28cf$34f69680$9ee3c380$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <3D091071A63F47A19F8F68244494E7F6@DBTOA000>

Mike, you are too funny.

Also, Thanks for changing the subject line.  I appreciate it!

Joy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> MMM ... I forgot about the daily beer ration! <g>
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:02 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Oh glug only you would?
>
> Original message:
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to
>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and
>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>> treats.
>
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib!
>>> :-)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier
>>> and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never
>>> have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>> like to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are
>>>> better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is
>>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected
>>>>> me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that
>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>>>>> you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
> habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive
>>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living
>>>>>> in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven
>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me
>>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>>>>>> after
> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>> to fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>>> mo
>>>>>> bile.net
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
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>> --
>> --Dar
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 21:27:29 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
In-Reply-To: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>
References: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <EC35417646464470B9345F24DAB824EA@SandiPC>

Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year!  I 
find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the 
>> real
>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>> you
>>> cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>> admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to 
>>> worry
>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>> less
>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what
>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>> eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they 
>>> are
>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful
>>>> lot
>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>> the
>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>> belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>> the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>>> meat
>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>> turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>>>> get
>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>> general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>> mo
>>>>> bile.net
>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>> bile.net
>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Sun Mar 24 22:03:58 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:03:58 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
 FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids
Message-ID: 13957a96-8b2f-4333-b426-3333f9292a94@samobile.net

well, isn't there a theory that you have to eat fat to burn fat?
Linda.



From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 22:11:27 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:11:27 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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Um, I think it's more a matter of hope than of reality! <smirk>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:27 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year!  I
find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of

> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the 
>> real
>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>> you
>>> cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>> admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to 
>>> worry
>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>> less
>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what
>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>> eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they 
>>> are
>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful
>>>> lot
>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>> the
>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>> belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>> the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>>> meat
>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>> turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>>>> get
>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>> general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
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>>>>>> --Dar
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Mar 24 22:21:19 2013
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:21:19 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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Is that steak bacon wrapped???

Dave

At 08:44 AM 3/24/2013, you wrote:
>What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
>Mike




From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 22:24:19 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:24:19 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
	FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids
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References: 13957a96-8b2f-4333-b426-3333f9292a94@samobile.net
Message-ID: <014901ce28de$5438c360$fcaa4a20$@panix.com>

I dunno; it's an interesting idea.

Mike


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To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids

well, isn't there a theory that you have to eat fat to burn fat?
Linda.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 24 22:29:56 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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Yeah ... especially if it's a filet mignon!

Mike


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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:21 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Is that steak bacon wrapped???

Dave

At 08:44 AM 3/24/2013, you wrote:
>What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
>Mike


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 24 23:36:29 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:36:29 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP168BB96D64B5C36B50B5CACC4D60@phx.gbl>

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
contrary to popular belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits. 
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
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>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>> every sinner has a future

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 24 23:40:25 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:40:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <001b01ce27d0$5d2e9da0$178bd8e0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP139ECC0045D95F079730ADAC4D60@phx.gbl>

To each his own, smile. But yes, I would much rather exercise out of
doors than in a gym. I can't wait for spring so we can get back out on
our walking trail. And Baby loves the great outdoors, and I know he will
love getting out more, grin.

I confess I'm one of those people who enjoys the feeling I have after
exercise but it's not for everyone. Though I haven't had problems in
quite some time, I have found exercise to help with my depression and
anxiety. In the past, I have been able to treat both with exercise as
opposed to drugs. Personally, if I can find a non-drug treatment for
something, I prefer that.

But I also just feel good after a good work-out, plus the results of
exercise are nice too, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


You forget that exercise is almost always damned boring, too. The only
way I stay on a treadmill is by reading a book!

And I power-lifted in high school and still love to walk -- but walking
to get somewhere is far preferable to walking to stay in shape IMO.

And I'm one of those for whom exercise *never* made me feel better. And
I see no more reason to become addicted to endorphins than any other
drug! <grin>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:38 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Yeah, it can be difficult to find the motivation to exercise when you
don't feel great. Often exercise helps with this, but it's the einitial
getting up and doing it that's so hard to do. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:16 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


I agree with all you say.  And, the one thing my sweety has a big
problem with is exercise.  She eats reasonable portions and good healthy
food, but hard to get her off the couch.  She has lupus, which
contributes both to the diabetes and the soreness that makes exercise
difficult.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:10 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a temporary
state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to become an
entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start eating healthy
portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better for you
nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy, fresh
fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any kind
to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow for
one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can cut
back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
general.

Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding the
time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've managed
to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to work on the
toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long struggle, grin.

And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely to
drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals. I
test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood sugar,
or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just another
level to our daily life, sigh.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Did she get off of it rite away?
There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

Original message:
> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill 
> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the 
> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
> I also have burning in the chest.
> I think this is from acid.
> Glad for those who can take it.
> I played the game now game is over.

> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
>   FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 24 23:45:53 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <7DC5893D1A4E46A8B3BD6986F65D4FA3@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP20008B3D192D8ED47D665BFC4D60@phx.gbl>

Although, this then does beg the question, why is obesity so much more
prevalent today? Obviously there are many variables in play with this
issue, but is not foods high in fat especially those saturated fats a
part of the equation?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
looking 
at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in 
refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
worry 
about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer 
touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
less 
hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
is 
absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
fat--what 
have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
eating 
regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
are 
lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 24 23:49:57 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't have
ever happened.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the 
problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large 
amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
real 
food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm 
currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
diabetes, 
obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know

that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
healthier, 
and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
been 
in our food!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Sandi:
>
> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover

> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
> consequences you cite below.
>
> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like 
> to admit. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
> looking
>
> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to

> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no 
> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  
> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case

> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
> are better off eating
>
> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they 
> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> evidence in much of the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
made
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>> with
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic

>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the

>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to

>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better

>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.

>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight

>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>> healthy living in general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>> dealing and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've

>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to

>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely

>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also 
>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:04:59 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
	LinksFattier	Milk To Slimmer Kids
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And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We are
told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, no-carb
diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.

Bridgit

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LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids


I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think that
even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something that
doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the
pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true
and
(2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these the
kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts" to
admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may
*not* be totally predictive of energy use.

Mike Freeman


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Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids

Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids

by Allison Aubrey

March 20, 201312:27 PM

Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at
age 2.

David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/> 

Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at
age 2.

The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old to-do
list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole
milk to low-fat milk.

Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.

As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to
reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?

After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American
Academy of Pediatrics.

The guidance <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as
part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL
cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high
cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep
an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.

And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which
should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's
been the assumption.

So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
<http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.sh
ort?
g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the Archives
of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British Medical
Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher weight.

That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.

"We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
<http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He
and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
<http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.

But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher
body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain
weight gain in preschoolers over time.

The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents
were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two
occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years.
Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass index)
were taken by researchers.

Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.

In a 2005 study
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calcium
+and
+weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported
+weight+gain> that
skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
9-to-14-year-olds.

And a 2010 study
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age 2
was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The
researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat milk
at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early childhood.

When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower
weight.

One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
satiety.

"This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after
drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food options
are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves a kid
from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed potatoes, he
or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.

As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study is
that the researchers did not know how many calories the children were
consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.

So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?

"I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation,
particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. He
says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive studies.

But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to
give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/pe
diat
rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.

"I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes
much sense from a biological perspective," he says.

Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels
points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat milk
were already heavier.

"This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were already
overweight," Daniels says.

Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is that
- whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major
driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have
shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-suga
ry-s
oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor> 

 

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:08:12 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:08:12 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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References: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>
	<EC35417646464470B9345F24DAB824EA@SandiPC>
	<014701ce28dc$883e6630$98bb3290$@panix.com>
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Oh, it's plenty real.  You get three meals a day, so that's almost 1100 in
one year.  Then there's the hobit lifestyle, e.g. first and second
breakfast, midafternoon tea (actually a full meal), supper, and bedtime
snack.  

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Um, I think it's more a matter of hope than of reality! <smirk>

Mike


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Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:27 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year!  I
find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*

Sandi

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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of

> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! 
>> :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really 
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem 
>> with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I 
>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>> and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>> have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like to admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  
>>> Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are 
>>> better off eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give 
>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is 
>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected 
>>>> me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>> are better for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>> you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living 
>>>>> in general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me 
>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>> to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>
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From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:21:28 2013
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:21:28 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
In-Reply-To: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>
References: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=LP_N8WnNUnpJzAP9kokacRutqsyuyhfUm0z1seYM5m3HyZg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
entirely hopeless!!!

Bern

On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>> real
>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>> you
>>> cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>> admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>> worry
>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>> less
>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what
>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>> eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>> are
>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful
>>>> lot
>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>> the
>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>> belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>> the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>> meat
>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>> turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>> get
>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>> general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>> --
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From thegems at dslextreme.com  Mon Mar 25 00:33:25 2013
From: thegems at dslextreme.com (Grant E. Metcalf)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never 
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at 
age 8.
As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin, 10 
mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost 
energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an interview 
with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The 
cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme q10 
in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find quite 
a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 
54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with 
co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back 
to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant




From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 00:51:15 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:51:15 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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I'll go with the scallops and crab and shrimp but you can have the rest of
the seafood!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:21 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
entirely hopeless!!!

Bern

On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>> real
>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>> you
>>> cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>> admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>> worry
>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>> less
>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what
>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>> eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>> are
>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful
>>>> lot
>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>> the
>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>> belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>> the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>> meat
>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>> turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>> get
>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>> general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>> --
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:51:26 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Hi Grant,

Interesting you should mention this issue.  I am currently reading a couple 
of books "The Blood Sugar Solution" by Mark Hyman and "Fat Chance" by Robert 
Lustig, and last night I ran across information about statins raising blood 
sugar and reducing coenzyme Q10, and, incidentally, lowering HDL.  My HDL 
has been low since I was first put on Lipitor about seven years ago.  Funny 
how the docs mentioned the liver issue, the muscle issue, but nothing about 
its lowering CoQ10 and HDL and raising blood sugar!  Right now I'm on 40 
milligrams of simvastatin, but you can bet I'm going to talk with my doc 
about it!  Honestly, sometimes I think medications are more harmful than 
helpful!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never 
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at 
> age 8.
> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin, 
> 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost 
> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an interview 
> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The 
> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme 
> q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find 
> quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 
> 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now 
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I 
> think I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I 
> wasn't feeling that bad. Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 00:52:25 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:52:25 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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Oh yeah ... and I forgot about Winny the Pooh's "Little something" and
"Elevenses".

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:08 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Oh, it's plenty real.  You get three meals a day, so that's almost 1100 in
one year.  Then there's the hobit lifestyle, e.g. first and second
breakfast, midafternoon tea (actually a full meal), supper, and bedtime
snack.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Um, I think it's more a matter of hope than of reality! <smirk>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:27 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year!  I
find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of

> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! 
>> :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really 
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem 
>> with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I 
>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>> and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>> have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like to admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  
>>> Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are 
>>> better off eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give 
>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is 
>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected 
>>>> me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>> are better for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>> you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living 
>>>>> in general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me 
>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>> to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:53:04 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
> entirely hopeless!!!
>
> Bern
>
> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>> treats.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! 
>>> :-)
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>>> real
>>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>> consequences
>>>> you
>>>> cite below.
>>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like 
>>>> to
>>>> admit. (grin)
>>
>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>>> worry
>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>>> less
>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what
>>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>>> eating
>>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>>> are
>>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans 
>>>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>>> belief.
>>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>>> the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat
>>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>>> turkey around here.
>>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>>> get
>>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>> general.
>>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>>> fill
>>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>>>>>> mo
>>>>>> bile.net
>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:54:17 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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I've always wished I was a Hobbit!  And their eating schedule is definitely 
part of it! *smile*

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> Oh, it's plenty real.  You get three meals a day, so that's almost 1100 in
> one year.  Then there's the hobit lifestyle, e.g. first and second
> breakfast, midafternoon tea (actually a full meal), supper, and bedtime
> snack.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:11 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Um, I think it's more a matter of hope than of reality! <smirk>
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:27 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year! 
> I
> find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to
>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and
>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>> treats.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib!
>>> :-)
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier
>>> and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never
>>> have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>> like to admit. (grin)
>>
>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are
>>>> better off eating
>>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is
>>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected
>>>>> me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that
>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>>>>> you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
> habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive
>>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living
>>>>>> in general.
>>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and
>>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven
>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me
>>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>>>>>> after
> meals.
>>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>> to fill
>>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 00:56:03 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:56:03 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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No; I'd say that foods high in sugar and carbohydrate -- especially
processed stuff -- plays a large role. The industry has to do something to
make inherently tasteless stuff (with all the fat and carbs taken out)
palatable.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Although, this then does beg the question, why is obesity so much more
prevalent today? Obviously there are many variables in play with this
issue, but is not foods high in fat especially those saturated fats a
part of the equation?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
looking 
at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in 
refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
worry 
about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer 
touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
less 
hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
is 
absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
fat--what 
have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
eating 
regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
are 
lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:57:34 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:57:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
	StudyLinksFattier	Milk To Slimmer Kids
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A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny morsels of 
information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public, and 
it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't contradict 
things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our country 
today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media, work 
with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study it some 
more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those who, 
regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to go 
around! *smile*

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier 
Milk To Slimmer Kids


> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We are
> told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, no-carb
> diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think that
> even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something that
> doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the
> pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true
> and
> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these the
> kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts" to
> admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may
> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> by Allison Aubrey
>
> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>
> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at
> age 2.
>
> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>
> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk at
> age 2.
>
> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old to-do
> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole
> milk to low-fat milk.
>
> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>
> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to
> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>
> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American
> Academy of Pediatrics.
>
> The guidance <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as
> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL
> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high
> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep
> an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>
> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which
> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's
> been the assumption.
>
> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.sh
> ort?
> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the Archives
> of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British Medical
> Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher weight.
>
> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>
> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He
> and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>
> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher
> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
> DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain
> weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>
> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents
> were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two
> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years.
> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass index)
> were taken by researchers.
>
> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.
>
> In a 2005 study
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calcium
> +and
> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported
> +weight+gain> that
> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>
> And a 2010 study
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age 2
> was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The
> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat milk
> at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early childhood.
>
> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
> intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower
> weight.
>
> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
> satiety.
>
> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after
> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food options
> are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves a kid
> from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed potatoes, he
> or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>
> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study is
> that the researchers did not know how many calories the children were
> consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>
> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>
> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation,
> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. He
> says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive studies.
>
> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to
> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/pe
> diat
> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.
>
> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes
> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>
> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
> cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels
> points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat milk
> were already heavier.
>
> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were already
> overweight," Daniels says.
>
> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is that
> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major
> driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have
> shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-suga
> ry-s
> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 00:57:47 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:57:47 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
contrary to popular belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits. 
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>> every sinner has a future

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 00:58:24 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (rshelton1 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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Lobster tastes wonderful, but I've never figured out how to eat it without make a colossal mess.  Squid's good too, but it has be cooked right which is rarely the case, especially here in Texas.  The best seafoodd I've ever had was in this little dump in Halfmoon Bay CA.  Early 90's been back since and never found the place again.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:51 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> I'll go with the scallops and crab and shrimp but you can have the rest of
> the seafood!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bernadette Jacobs
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:21 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
> 
> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
> entirely hopeless!!!
> 
> Bern
> 
> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>> 
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)
>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>>> real
>>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>> 
>>> Sandi
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> Sandi:
>> 
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>>> you
>>>> cite below.
>> 
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>>> admit. (grin)
>> 
>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>> 
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>>> worry
>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>>> less
>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>> 
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what
>>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>>> eating
>> 
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>>> are
>>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> 
>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>>> the
>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>>> belief.
>> 
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>>> the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> 
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> 
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>> 
>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat
>>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>>> turkey around here.
>> 
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> 
>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>>> get
>>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>> 
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>> 
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>> general.
>> 
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>> 
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> 
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>> 
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> 
>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>> 
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>> 
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:00:31 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest, 
best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in most 
processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we consider 
food!) are just scary!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't have
> ever happened.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
> real
> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>
>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case
>
>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>> are better off eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>> evidence in much of the
>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
> made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>> belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>> with
>>> the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the
>
>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>> people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:11:06 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Not really.  It seemed to make sense in the beginning that fats, any fats, 
increased people's fatness.  But actually, over time, the fat in our diets 
has decreased from 40% to 30%, even though, at the same time, we (as a 
population) continue to gain weight.  What has risen over time is our 
consumption of carbohydrates, which have gone from about 40-45% of our diets 
to 55-60%.  And because of the huge increase in intake of processed, 
manufactured foods, mostly made from white flour, white sugar, and white 
shortening, it seems most likely to me these are the foods that are making 
us fatter.  "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig, hypothesizes the issue is 
neither fat nor carbohydrate individually, but the almost universal 
combination of fat and carbohydrate--particularly white flour and sugar. 
That's why my best advice to people who want to be healthy, with or without 
diabetes is, eat fresh, whole foods.  That doesn't mean eat a head of 
lettuce or a whole cow.  But it does mean that we should be eating foods 
that are grown and raised, not foods that are created in a factory and 
loaded with fat, sugar and salt!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Although, this then does beg the question, why is obesity so much more
> prevalent today? Obviously there are many variables in play with this
> issue, but is not foods high in fat especially those saturated fats a
> part of the equation?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
> looking
> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
> worry
> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
> less
> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
> fat--what
> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
> eating
> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
> are
> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>> awful
>> lot
>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
> of
>> the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
> made
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the
>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have
>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>> a
>>> mo
>>> bile.net
>>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
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>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
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>>
>> --
>> --Dar
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:16:46 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard, whole 
milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's the same. 
I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and 
whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a 
particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense to 
think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol we ate 
was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  Unfortunately, we 
have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you high 
cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary cholesterol 
has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay, 
cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent studies 
are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than 
monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get enough 
fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain weight.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
> But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
> high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
> also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
> lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
> of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
> beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
> contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40sa
>> mo
>> bile.net
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
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> -- 
> --Dar
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:17:56 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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Yum!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> Yeah ... especially if it's a filet mignon!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> David Andrews
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:21 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Is that steak bacon wrapped???
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:44 AM 3/24/2013, you wrote:
>>What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>>prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>>York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>
>>Mike
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:22:10 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
	LinksFattierMilk To Slimmer Kids
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Well, fat is essential to anyone's diet. People forget that fat is
included on the food pyramid, grin. Even when trying to lose weight, you
need to eat some level of fat. As Sandy has pointed out, it's what kinds
of fat you are eating and how much of it you consume.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:24 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
LinksFattierMilk To Slimmer Kids


I dunno; it's an interesting idea.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Of limestone lady
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:04 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids

well, isn't there a theory that you have to eat fat to burn fat? Linda.

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:22:25 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
	FattierMilk To Slimmer Kids
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I'm not sure I buy that theory, but on the other hand, if you eat fat you 
generally eat less, so over time you burn fat.

Sandi

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> well, isn't there a theory that you have to eat fat to burn fat?
> Linda.
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:22:56 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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Well, I think it's a great plan!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> Um, I think it's more a matter of hope than of reality! <smirk>
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:27 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year! 
> I
> find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>> treats.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! 
>>> :-)
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>>> real
>>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>> consequences
>>>> you
>>>> cite below.
>>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like 
>>>> to
>>>> admit. (grin)
>>
>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>>> worry
>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>>> less
>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what
>>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>>> eating
>>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>>> are
>>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans 
>>>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>>> belief.
>>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>>> the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat
>>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>>> turkey around here.
>>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>>> get
>>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>> general.
>>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>>> fill
>>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:23:25 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
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OMG, my hubby will appreciate this, LOL!

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:08 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


Oh, it's plenty real.  You get three meals a day, so that's almost 1100
in one year.  Then there's the hobit lifestyle, e.g. first and second
breakfast, midafternoon tea (actually a full meal), supper, and bedtime
snack.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:11 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Um, I think it's more a matter of hope than of reality! <smirk>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:27 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Sounds great to me!  Let me know how you get that many days in one year!
I find myself wanting to extend my days and my years! *smile*

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to
> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of

> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
> treats.
>
> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>
>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib!
>> :-)
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>> with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>> and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never
>> have
> been
>> in our food!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Sandi:
>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>> withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>> like to admit. (grin)
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're

>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>> Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are

>>> better off eating
>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>> for some refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is

>>>> quite healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected 
>>>> me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>> people
>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>> are better for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity 
>>>>> of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>> you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to
old
habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive
>>>>> and productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living 
>>>>> in general.
>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells me

>>>>> this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity
after
meals.
>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>> to fill
>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:25:03 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
In-Reply-To: <0C325C56CCB74D68B8A0276C3C256B87@user2868093fd9>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1536417C60C82CAEA71FB15C4D70@phx.gbl>

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never 
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds
at 
age 8.
As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin,
10 
mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost 
energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview 
with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
"The 
cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme
q10 
in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find
quite 
a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49,
HDL 
54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
with 
co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going
back 
to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:35:05 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <021EB91D2A34476285CA97762A69281D@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1194C18BF016A9C468FCCD9C4D70@phx.gbl>

Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
crap. 

And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
most 
processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
consider 
food!) are just scary!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why  
>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>have  ever happened.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really 
> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem 
> with increased diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
know
>
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
> should never have been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>> withover
>
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>> to
>
>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no 
>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>> case
>
>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>> are better off eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give 
>>> for some refried beans
> made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>> with the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>> diabetic
>
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>> the
>
>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad 
>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>> people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>> to
>
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>> better
>
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>> etc.
>
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>> weight
>
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>> I've
>
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>> to
>
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>> likely
>
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also 
>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:36:22 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:36:22 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back,
grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
contrary to popular belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent all of you! :-)

Mike


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Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

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To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits. 
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of d m gina
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> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 01:41:57 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:41:57 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or
	Skim?	StudyLinksFattier	Milk To Slimmer Kids
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	<2AE2BE593C96411A983433309AB16A0C@SandiPC>
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Hey Sandi!

You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly on the
hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for quick answers.

Mike


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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier
Milk To Slimmer Kids

A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny morsels of
information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public, and
it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't contradict
things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our country
today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media, work
with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study it some
more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those who,
regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to go
around! *smile*

Sandi

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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier
Milk To Slimmer Kids


> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We are 
> told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, no-carb 
> diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study 
> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think 
> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something 
> that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the 
> pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true 
> and
> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these 
> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts" 
> to admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may
> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links 
> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> by Allison Aubrey
>
> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>
> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk 
> at age 2.
>
> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>
> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk 
> at age 2.
>
> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old 
> to-do
> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole 
> milk to low-fat milk.
>
> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>
> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to 
> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>
> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American 
> Academy of Pediatrics.
>
> The guidance 
> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as 
> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL 
> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high 
> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep 
> an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>
> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which 
> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's 
> been the assumption.
>
> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study 
> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.
> sh
> ort?
> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the 
> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British 
> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
weight.
>
> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>
> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer 
> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He 
> and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf 
> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the 
> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>
> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher 
> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
> DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain 
> weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>
> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents 
> were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two
> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years.
> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass 
> index) were taken by researchers.
>
> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.
>
> In a 2005 study
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calci
> um
> +and
> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported 
> +weight+gain> that
> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among 
> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>
> And a 2010 study
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by 
> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at 
> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age 
> 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The 
> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat 
> milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early
childhood.
>
> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more 
> intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower 
> weight.
>
> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of 
> satiety.
>
> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after 
> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food 
> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves 
> a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed 
> potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>
> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study 
> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children 
> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>
> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>
> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, 
> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. 
> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive studies.
>
> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to 
> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels 
> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/
> pe
> diat
> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the 
> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.
>
> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes 
> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>
> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and 
> cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels 
> points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat 
> milk were already heavier.
>
> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing 
> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were 
> already overweight," Daniels says.
>
> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is 
> that
> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major 
> driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have 
> shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role 
> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-su
> ga
> ry-s
> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 01:43:29 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
> entirely hopeless!!!
>
> Bern
>
> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>> treats.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! 
>>> :-)
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>>> real
>>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>> consequences
>>>> you
>>>> cite below.
>>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like 
>>>> to
>>>> admit. (grin)
>>
>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>>> worry
>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>>> less
>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>> fat--what
>>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>>> eating
>>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>>> are
>>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans 
>>>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>>> belief.
>>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>>> the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat
>>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>>> turkey around here.
>>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>>> get
>>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>> general.
>>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>>> fill
>>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:43:43 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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I don't know that drinking skim milk makes you fat.  But drinking whole milk 
doesn't either--necessarily.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds
> at
> age 8.
> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin,
> 10
> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
> interview
> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
> "The
> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme
> q10
> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find
> quite
> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49,
> HDL
> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
> with
> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going
> back
> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
> bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 01:45:18 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:45:18 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Stattens *do* tend to reduce the risk of heart attacks but ... drum-roll ...
we don't know why. It may well have nothing to do with lowering cholesterol
at all!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:51 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Hi Grant,

Interesting you should mention this issue.  I am currently reading a couple
of books "The Blood Sugar Solution" by Mark Hyman and "Fat Chance" by Robert
Lustig, and last night I ran across information about statins raising blood
sugar and reducing coenzyme Q10, and, incidentally, lowering HDL.  My HDL
has been low since I was first put on Lipitor about seven years ago.  Funny
how the docs mentioned the liver issue, the muscle issue, but nothing about
its lowering CoQ10 and HDL and raising blood sugar!  Right now I'm on 40
milligrams of simvastatin, but you can bet I'm going to talk with my doc
about it!  Honestly, sometimes I think medications are more harmful than
helpful!

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never 
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at

> age 8.
> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin, 
> 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost 
> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an interview 
> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The

> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme 
> q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find 
> quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 
> 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now 
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I 
> think I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I 
> wasn't feeling that bad. Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:43:41 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:41 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <2A42AD9597AF4F038E15C79EC4510211@SandiPC>
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Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes out,
another comes out contradicting the first.

I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the flu
shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same interview,
and each had a completely different view with what seemed like good
scientific support as to why their recommendation was the right one. One
urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors and those with
chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it didn't decrease
anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and therefore shouldn't get
one.

I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community can't
agree and see eye-to-eye.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,
whole 
milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's the
same. 
I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and 
whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a 
particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense to

think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol we
ate 
was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  Unfortunately,
we 
have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you high 
cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
cholesterol 
has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay, 
cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
studies 
are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than 
monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
enough 
fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
weight.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.

>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
> avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence

> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:46:07 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:46:07 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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Depends on how it's made, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:43 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I 
> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out

> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster, 
> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic 
> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is 
> entirely hopeless!!!
>
> Bern
>
> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special
>> treats.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>
>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime 
>>> rib!
>>> :-)
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>> problem with increased
>> diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I 
>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>>> and
>> healthier,
>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>>> have
>> been
>>> in our food!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>> between
>> saturated
>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>> consequences
>>>> you
>>>> cite below.
>>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like
>>>> to
>>>> admit. (grin)
>>
>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking
>>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a 
>>>> day!  We're no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people 
>>>> are finding themselves much less
>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  
>>>> Mike
>> is
>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>>> are better off eating
>>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot
>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in
much 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans

>>>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
popular
>>>>> belief.
>>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected

>>>>> me to
>> represent
>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have,

>>>>> grin.
>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog
if
>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity

>>>>>> of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>>> you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to 
>>>>>> old habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and
>>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells 
>>>>>> me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>>>>>> after meals.
>>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach

>>>>>>> to fill
>>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:48:38 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk
	OrSkim?	StudyLinksFattier	Milk To Slimmer Kids
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I mentioned scientists, but not to the proper extent.  In spite of 
scientific method, scientists often believe they must have the only right 
answer, even though they haven't yet done the science.  And both scientists 
and docs tend to have strong opinions about things they've never studied.

Gotta love 'em!

Sandi

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From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? StudyLinksFattier 
Milk To Slimmer Kids


> Hey Sandi!
>
> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly on 
> the
> hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for quick 
> answers.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny morsels of
> information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public, and
> it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't contradict
> things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our country
> today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media, work
> with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study it 
> some
> more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those 
> who,
> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to go
> around! *smile*
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We are
>> told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, no-carb
>> diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think
>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something
>> that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the
>> pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true
>> and
>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these
>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts"
>> to admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may
>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> by Allison Aubrey
>>
>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk
>> at age 2.
>>
>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk
>> at age 2.
>>
>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old
>> to-do
>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole
>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>
>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>
>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to
>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>
>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American
>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>
>> The guidance
>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as
>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL
>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high
>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep
>> an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>
>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which
>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's
>> been the assumption.
>>
>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.
>> sh
>> ort?
>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British
>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
> weight.
>>
>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>
>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He
>> and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
>> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>
>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher
>> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
>> DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain
>> weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>
>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents
>> were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two
>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years.
>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>
>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.
>>
>> In a 2005 study
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calci
>> um
>> +and
>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported
>> +weight+gain> that
>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>
>> And a 2010 study
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age
>> 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The
>> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat
>> milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early
> childhood.
>>
>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
>> intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower
>> weight.
>>
>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
>> satiety.
>>
>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after
>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food
>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves
>> a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed
>> potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>
>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study
>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children
>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>
>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>>
>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation,
>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer.
>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive studies.
>>
>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to
>> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
>> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/
>> pe
>> diat
>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.
>>
>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes
>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>
>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
>> cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels
>> points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat
>> milk were already heavier.
>>
>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
>> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were
>> already overweight," Daniels says.
>>
>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is
>> that
>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major
>> driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have
>> shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
>> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-su
>> ga
>> ry-s
>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>
>>
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 01:50:20 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:50:20 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


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Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
age 8.
As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin,
10
mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an interview
with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The
cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme
q10
in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find quite
a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL
54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with
co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back
to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 01:54:03 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:54:03 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants *already*
is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that whatever it
is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse scientific
terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my food.
Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh vegetables, I
don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff and
what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like what
happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific conditions.
With the exception of noticing the differences between differently brewed
beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price
that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than domestically-raised
turkey.

But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
of misusing a word! (huge grin)

Mike


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Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back,
grin.

Bridgit

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Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


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I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

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The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
contrary to popular belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits. 
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 02:00:58 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:58 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1194C18BF016A9C468FCCD9C4D70@phx.gbl>
References: <021EB91D2A34476285CA97762A69281D@SandiPC>
	<BLU0-SMTP1194C18BF016A9C468FCCD9C4D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <017601ce28fc$98da8350$ca8f89f0$@panix.com>

Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut open
and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do -- is
to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was considered
a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out
of a healthy cow.

And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
crap. 

And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
most 
processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
consider 
food!) are just scary!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why  
>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>have  ever happened.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really 
> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem 
> with increased diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
know
>
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
> should never have been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>> withover
>
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In 
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>> to
>
>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no 
>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>> case
>
>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>> are better off eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give 
>>> for some refried beans
> made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>> with the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>> diabetic
>
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>> the
>
>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad 
>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>> people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>> to
>
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>> better
>
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>> etc.
>
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>> weight
>
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>> I've
>
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>> to
>
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>> likely
>
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also 
>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 02:04:06 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Hi, Bridgit.

And I don't have a problem with such disagreements. But you can't get *one*
of them to admit that they haven't a clue what the real answer is!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:44 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes out,
another comes out contradicting the first.

I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the flu
shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same interview,
and each had a completely different view with what seemed like good
scientific support as to why their recommendation was the right one. One
urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors and those with
chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it didn't decrease
anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and therefore shouldn't get
one.

I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community can't
agree and see eye-to-eye.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,
whole 
milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's the
same. 
I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and 
whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a 
particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense to

think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol we
ate 
was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  Unfortunately,
we 
have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you high 
cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
cholesterol 
has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay, 
cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
studies 
are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than 
monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
enough 
fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
weight.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.

>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
> avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence

> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>> --
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 02:04:06 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:04:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Two of my sons work for Whole Foods -- home of the $50 grocery bag, but
there is something to "organic" food being better.  Since there is more room
under the price curve, often suppliers and shippers are quite a bit more
careful with it.  In most cases, it has little to do with how the food is
grown, but it has everything to do with how it gets from the plant to your
plate.  If you pay extra, I'll bet you take more care in
cooking/preparation.  All sorts of interesting effects which don't lend
themselves to easy characterization.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants *already*
is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that whatever it
is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse scientific
terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my food.
Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh vegetables, I
don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff and
what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like what
happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific conditions.
With the exception of noticing the differences between differently brewed
beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price
that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than domestically-raised
turkey.

But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
of misusing a word! (huge grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; delish,
smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the cholesterol
contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should completely
cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much as
possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I also do
organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing comes down too.
This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful lot
of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of the
medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made with
real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like black
beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat back in,
you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground turkey around
here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only gained
abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I actually ate
probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain tortilla.
This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to the
lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the gym who
knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 02:20:49 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:20:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and
I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.

-----Original Message-----
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Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds
at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels
increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I
came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who
co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact
the statins reduced co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG
levels. Checking the net, I did find quite a number of discussions
regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having
to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL
wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back to no statins
for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 02:30:29 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:30:29 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very
little or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but
when we switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately
noticed a difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.

I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't
eat everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with
high sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like
the hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically
enhanced foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we
follow some crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from
others and our own personal experience, we have found eating a certain
way to work for us. But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like
the basket of Easter candy sitting on the table, grin.

And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in
moderation.

You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.

Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you
get there.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
*already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means
that whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who
misuse scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to
chemicals in my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such
things as fresh vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences
between so-called organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as
aficionados do. It's sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs
taste-test beers under scientific conditions. With the exception of
noticing the differences between differently brewed beers, they most
often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price that
stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
domestically-raised turkey.

But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the
satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back,
grin.

Bridgit

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Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
contrary to popular belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly 
when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits. 
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

>> --
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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 02:33:38 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:33:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for milk
of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a sort of
compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class kid
in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
meant.  

I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents both
had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at least so
far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of one."
Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds struggle
to understand.  

So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all, have
a great evening and a great week.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and I
danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased
and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book
entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I
did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is
fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now
supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think
I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't
feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 02:34:57 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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But all in moderation and with reason. No one here is doubting some
modern-day practices keeping food safe and free of grubs, grin. But some
of these chemicals and additives are not necessary.

I don't like to go too far one direction or another, and I try to
research both sides of an issue. Ultimately, I don't think enough
research exist on any side. There are a lot of unknowns that just need a
lot of investigation still.

And I for one am not the poster child for granola living, smile. While I
do practice some *certain* ways of living, I try to find balance. More
than anything, balance is what I find important.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:01 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis
from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still
do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt
was considered a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of
spreading tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized --
milk right out of a healthy cow.

And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
crap. 

And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
most 
processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
consider 
food!) are just scary!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>have  ever happened.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really 
> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem 
> with increased diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
know
>
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
> should never have been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> withover
>
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>> to
>
>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>> case
>
>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>> are better off eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give 
>>> for some refried beans
> made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>> with the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>> diabetic
>
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>> the
>
>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>> people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>> to
>
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>> better
>
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>> etc.
>
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>> weight
>
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>> I've
>
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>> to
>
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>> likely
>
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also 
>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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>>>>> every sinner has a future
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 02:35:28 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:35:28 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c@samobile.net

Food food food,
Asking a question on behalf of food.
What do all of you do when you are on convention.
I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for breakfast?
Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought 
just to have a meal?
Thanks,

Original message:
> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut open
> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do -- is
> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was considered
> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out
> of a healthy cow.

> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
> crap.

> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
> most
> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
> consider
> food!) are just scary!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>> have  ever happened.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>> with increased diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
> know

>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> should never have been
>> in our food!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Sandi:

>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>> withover

>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>>> consequences you cite below.

>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>>> to admit. (grin)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking

>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>> to

>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>> case

>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>> are better off eating

>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>> popular belief.

>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>> diabetic

>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>> the

>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>> people

>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>> to

>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>> better

>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>> etc.

>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>> weight

>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>> dealing and

>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>> I've

>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>> to

>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>> likely

>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>> meals.

>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>> fill

>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 02:50:34 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:50:34 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c@samobile.net
References: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c@samobile.net
Message-ID: <018d01ce2903$864d59e0$92e80da0$@panix.com>

A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long way.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Food food food,
Asking a question on behalf of food.
What do all of you do when you are on convention.
I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
breakfast?
Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought 
just to have a meal?
Thanks,

Original message:
> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
open
> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --
is
> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
considered
> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right
out
> of a healthy cow.

> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
> crap.

> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
> most
> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
> consider
> food!) are just scary!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>> have  ever happened.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>> with increased diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
> know

>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> should never have been
>> in our food!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Sandi:

>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>> withover

>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>>> consequences you cite below.

>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>>> to admit. (grin)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking

>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>> to

>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>> case

>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>> are better off eating

>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>> popular belief.

>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>> diabetic

>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>> the

>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>> people

>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>> to

>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>> better

>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>> etc.

>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>> weight

>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>> dealing and

>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>> I've

>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>> to

>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>> likely

>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>> meals.

>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>> fill

>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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>>>>> 0
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>>>>> mo
>>>>> bile.net

>>>>> --
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>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>>>> --
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 02:53:19 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:19 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Hey Robert!

Do you think Wonderbread helps strong bodies grow eight ways or twelve ways?
In the late '40's and early '50's, the ads said eight ways; then they
changed to twelve. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for milk
of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a sort of
compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class kid
in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
meant.  

I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents both
had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at least so
far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of one."
Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds struggle
to understand.  

So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all, have
a great evening and a great week.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and I
danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased
and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book
entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I
did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is
fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now
supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think
I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't
feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 02:55:58 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Up with genetic engineering! (grin) After all, all our agriculture -- yes,
even that of ten thousand years ago -- was through genetically engineered
products: the "rachis" that holds wheat kernels on the plants is too strong
to harvest easily on the original einkorn wheat of the Middle East. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very little
or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but when we
switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately noticed a
difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.

I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't eat
everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with high
sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like the
hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically enhanced
foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we follow some
crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from others and our
own personal experience, we have found eating a certain way to work for us.
But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like the basket of Easter
candy sitting on the table, grin.

And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in moderation.

You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.

Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you get
there.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
*already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in
my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences between so-called
organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's
sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under
scientific conditions. With the exception of noticing the differences
between differently brewed beers, they most often can't tell the difference.
It's the label and price that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or
barnyard-raised chickens are tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot
stringier than domestically-raised turkey.

But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
of misusing a word! (huge grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; delish,
smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the cholesterol
contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should completely
cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much as
possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I also do
organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing comes down too.
This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful lot
of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of the
medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made with
real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like black
beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat back in,
you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground turkey around
here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only gained
abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I actually ate
probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain tortilla.
This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to the
lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the gym who
knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 02:56:33 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:56:33 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 540bd2e5-d470-411c-abd5-1fa50729d5f5@samobile.net

OK that is what you do for lunch?
Are you saying breakfast as well?
Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

Original message:
> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long way.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
> breakfast?
> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,

> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.

>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>> crap.

>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
>> most
>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>> consider
>> food!) are just scary!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>> have  ever happened.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know

>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> should never have been
>>> in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover

>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to

>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>> case

>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>> are better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic

>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>> the

>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>> better

>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight

>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>> I've

>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 02:59:24 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:59:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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You know, Mike, my mom, a wise and skeptical woman, bought what was on sale
at Safeway.  She told me that Wonderbread was just a big scam.  Gotta love
Mom, gone 12 years today.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:53 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Hey Robert!

Do you think Wonderbread helps strong bodies grow eight ways or twelve ways?
In the late '40's and early '50's, the ads said eight ways; then they
changed to twelve. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for milk
of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a sort of
compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class kid
in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
meant.  

I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents both
had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at least so
far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of one."
Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds struggle
to understand.  

So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all, have
a great evening and a great week.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and I
danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased
and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book
entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I
did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is
fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now
supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think
I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't
feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 03:00:35 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Beer, it's not just for breakfast any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:57 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

OK that is what you do for lunch?
Are you saying breakfast as well?
Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

Original message:
> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long
way.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast?
> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought 
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,

> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>> had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis 
>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and 
>> still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading 
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk 
>> right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.

>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's 
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, 
>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.

>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would 
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,

>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why 
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know

>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover

>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the

>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like

>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to

>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case

>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>>> are better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they

>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic

>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and

>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to

>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>> to go to the

>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start

>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better

>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it 
>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>> your

>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight

>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding

>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've

>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. 
>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game is
over.

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From rshelton1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 03:06:18 2013
From: rshelton1 at gmail.com (Robert Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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I hear what you say, and the "green revolution" probably saved millions if
not billions of children from starving to death, but the tools of today are
far more powerful.  The genes that render crops impervious to herbicides can
and do transfer to weeds.  It's not simple at all, and our wisest don't know
what to do.  And in the mean time, research and development chases the
almighty dollar without as much as a passing thought of what it will mean to
our children's children's children.  

Oh, but relax and be merry.  This will all be an afterthought one day.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:56 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Up with genetic engineering! (grin) After all, all our agriculture -- yes,
even that of ten thousand years ago -- was through genetically engineered
products: the "rachis" that holds wheat kernels on the plants is too strong
to harvest easily on the original einkorn wheat of the Middle East. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very little
or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but when we
switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately noticed a
difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.

I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't eat
everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with high
sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like the
hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically enhanced
foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we follow some
crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from others and our
own personal experience, we have found eating a certain way to work for us.
But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like the basket of Easter
candy sitting on the table, grin.

And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in moderation.

You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.

Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you get
there.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
*already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in
my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences between so-called
organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's
sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under
scientific conditions. With the exception of noticing the differences
between differently brewed beers, they most often can't tell the difference.
It's the label and price that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or
barnyard-raised chickens are tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot
stringier than domestically-raised turkey.

But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
of misusing a word! (huge grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; delish,
smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the cholesterol
contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should completely
cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much as
possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I also do
organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing comes down too.
This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful lot
of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of the
medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made with
real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like black
beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat back in,
you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground turkey around
here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only gained
abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I actually ate
probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain tortilla.
This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to the
lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the gym who
knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over there.
I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby, 
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 03:08:58 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:08:58 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: a74e47a1-2b71-45a9-a9db-4e6db4e997bb@samobile.net

yes my brothers do that, drink beer for breakfast.
The old goats.

Original message:
> Beer, it's not just for breakfast any more.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:57 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> OK that is what you do for lunch?
> Are you saying breakfast as well?
> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

> Original message:
>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long
> way.

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast?
>> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,

>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one
>>> had to cut
>> open
>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis
>>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and
>>> still do --
>> is
>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>> considered
>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
>>> right
>> out
>>> of a healthy cow.

>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>> synthetic crap.

>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> safest,

>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have  ever happened.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know

>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been in our food!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover

>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>> the

>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like

>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>> In looking

>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>> enough to

>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case

>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>> are better off eating

>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they

>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.

>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>>>>> pregnancy, and

>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him
>>>>>> to go to the

>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it
>>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding

>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
> exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
>>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back
>>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from
>>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game is
> over.

>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 03:18:12 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:18:12 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: df7a3e14-feb1-41ec-8122-d5acf036066c@samobile.net

I think the main problem is inactivity, and screwing up our systems 
with dieting, which sends our bodies into starvation mode.
Linda.



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 03:29:42 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
In-Reply-To: <000401ce2901$28e73430$7ab59c90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP454CA149F12F6E5644DD43DC4D70@phx.gbl>

I agree about milk, grin. But like I said, it varies from person to
person just like most things do. I think these discussions and studies
are good, but at what point do we just live?

And I'm off to do a little exercise now that Baby is down for the night,
smile.

Have a wonderful week yourself.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for
milk of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not
smart enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as
a sort of compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other
middle class kid in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk)
-- whatever that meant.  

I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents
both had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at
least so far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample
size of one." Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our
wisest minds struggle to understand.  

So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all,
have a great evening and a great week.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and
I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds
at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels
increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I
came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who
co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact
the statins reduced co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG
levels. Checking the net, I did find quite a number of discussions
regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having
to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL
wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back to no statins
for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 03:33:45 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2744D3025FFDADA0DBE8A0DC4D70@phx.gbl>

It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Food food food,
Asking a question on behalf of food.
What do all of you do when you are on convention.
I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
won't take all you brought 
just to have a meal?
Thanks,

Original message:
> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
> cow.

> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
> us?

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's 
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, 
> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
> synthetic crap.

> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would 
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> safest,

> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> things we consider
> food!) are just scary!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why 
>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>> have  ever happened.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>> on earth is fructose.  I
> know

>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>> should never have been in our food!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Sandi:

>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover

>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>> the

>>> consequences you cite below.

>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like

>>> to admit. (grin)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>> looking

>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to

>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>> case

>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>> are better off eating

>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they

>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>> popular belief.

>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic

>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and

>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to

>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>> the

>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people

>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to

>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start

>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>> better

>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>> etc.

>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your

>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>> can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight

>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and

>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding

>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>> I've

>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>>> to

>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely

>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>> meals.

>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is

>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>> fill

>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>> --
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 03:34:43 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:34:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Peanut butter on a whole wheat tortilla is good too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:57 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


OK that is what you do for lunch?
Are you saying breakfast as well?
Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

Original message:
> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a 
> long way.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,

> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>> had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis 
>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and 
>> still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading 
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk 
>> right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.

>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.

>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,

>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and

>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know

>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover

>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the

>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like

>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to

>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case

>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they

>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic

>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and

>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to

>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>> to go to the

>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start

>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better

>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>> your

>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight

>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding

>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've

>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game

>>>>>>> is over.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 03:36:40 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:36:40 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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You know what I mean, and I know what you mean... I think we can meet in
the middle here, smile.

Like many things, it's all how you use it, smirk.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:56 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Up with genetic engineering! (grin) After all, all our agriculture --
yes, even that of ten thousand years ago -- was through genetically
engineered
products: the "rachis" that holds wheat kernels on the plants is too
strong to harvest easily on the original einkorn wheat of the Middle
East. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:30 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very
little or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but
when we switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately
noticed a difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.

I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't
eat everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with
high sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like
the hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically
enhanced foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we
follow some crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from
others and our own personal experience, we have found eating a certain
way to work for us. But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like
the basket of Easter candy sitting on the table, grin.

And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in
moderation.

You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.

Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you
get there.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
*already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means
that whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who
misuse scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to
chemicals in my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such
things as fresh vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences
between so-called organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as
aficionados do. It's sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs
taste-test beers under scientific conditions. With the exception of
noticing the differences between differently brewed beers, they most
often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price that
stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
domestically-raised turkey.

But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the
satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back,
grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.

And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.

Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.

And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
contrary to popular belief.

The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
the
bible: prove me now herewith!

The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
represent all of you! :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
turkey around here.

I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


yes I sure agree with you,
We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one
at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen
while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound. I was
told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad you lost allot of
your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

Original message:
> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
> for you
> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
fresh
> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
kind
> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
for
> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
cut
> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and 
> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
> general.

> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> struggle, grin.

> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just 
> another level to our daily life, sigh.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Did she get off of it rite away?
> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

> Original message:
>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had 
>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>> I also have burning in the chest.
>> I think this is from acid.
>> Glad for those who can take it.
>> I played the game now game is over.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 03:41:29 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:41:29 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: d8a05afc-ef11-41d3-b5ef-afa1c4a9fb21@samobile.net

yes I love those at home.
I hope there will be a delley where we can get something.
That would work better for me.

Original message:
> Peanut butter on a whole wheat tortilla is good too.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:57 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> OK that is what you do for lunch?
> Are you saying breakfast as well?
> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

> Original message:
>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a
>> long way.

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,

>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one
>>> had to cut
>> open
>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis
>>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and
>>> still do --
>> is
>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>> considered
>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
>>> right
>> out
>>> of a healthy cow.

>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>> us?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>> synthetic crap.

>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>> do.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> safest,

>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have  ever happened.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and

>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know

>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been in our food!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover

>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>> the

>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like

>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>> In looking

>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>> enough to

>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case

>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>>> are better off eating

>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they

>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.

>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>>>>> pregnancy, and

>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him
>>>>>> to go to the

>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding

>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back
>>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from
>>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game

>>>>>>>> is over.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 03:43:19 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 5d81497b-a3f2-4af5-959f-356bd9196e1d@samobile.net

I will share with Jim,
He knows more about this than this crazy lady does.
I have never shipped food anywhere like that,
a new experience for me.

Original message:
> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
> won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,

> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>> cow.

>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>> us?

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>> synthetic crap.

>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>> safest,

>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>> have  ever happened.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> know

>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> should never have been in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover

>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>> the

>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>> like

>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>>> looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to

>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>> case

>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>> are better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>> they

>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic

>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>> and

>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>> to

>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>> the

>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>> start

>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>> better

>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>> your

>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight

>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>> finding

>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>> I've

>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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From thegems at dslextreme.com  Mon Mar 25 04:00:43 2013
From: thegems at dslextreme.com (Grant E. Metcalf)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:00:43 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter
References: <mailman.16201.1364180013.31365.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <281248FA104545E0A652603F40F55E0A@user2868093fd9>

Speaking of peanut butter, has anybody got a good and practical solution for 
dealing with Adam's Natural crunchy? I've tried it a couple of times but get 
totally frustrated with obtaining a nice smooth blending of oil and solids. 
Consequently, I use Skippy crunchy, they don't have a natural crunchy as 
yet. And my favorite bread is sprouted barley, barley seemingly better on 
carbs for diabetics according to Mendosa's chart. Grant
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>   1. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>      Slimmer Kids (Mike Freeman)
>   2. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Mike Freeman)
>   3. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Sandi Ryan)
>   4. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>   5. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>   6. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>   7. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>      Slimmer Kids (Sandi Ryan)
>   8. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
>   9. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  10. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  11. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  12. Re: victoza (Robert Shelton)
>  13. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  14. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  15. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
>  16. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  17. Re: victoza (d m gina)
>  18. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  19. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:41:57 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
> Message-ID: <017201ce28f9$f085ee80$d191cb80$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hey Sandi!
>
> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly on 
> the
> hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for quick 
> answers.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny morsels of
> information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public, and
> it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't contradict
> things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our country
> today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media, work
> with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study it 
> some
> more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those 
> who,
> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to go
> around! *smile*
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We are
>> told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, no-carb
>> diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think
>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something
>> that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the
>> pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true
>> and
>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these
>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts"
>> to admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may
>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> by Allison Aubrey
>>
>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk
>> at age 2.
>>
>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk
>> at age 2.
>>
>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old
>> to-do
>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole
>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>
>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>
>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to
>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>
>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American
>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>
>> The guidance
>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as
>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL
>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high
>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep
>> an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>
>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which
>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's
>> been the assumption.
>>
>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.
>> sh
>> ort?
>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British
>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
> weight.
>>
>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>
>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He
>> and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
>> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>
>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher
>> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
>> DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain
>> weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>
>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents
>> were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two
>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years.
>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>
>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.
>>
>> In a 2005 study
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calci
>> um
>> +and
>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported
>> +weight+gain> that
>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>
>> And a 2010 study
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age
>> 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The
>> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat
>> milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early
> childhood.
>>
>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
>> intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower
>> weight.
>>
>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
>> satiety.
>>
>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after
>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food
>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves
>> a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed
>> potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>
>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study
>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children
>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>
>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>>
>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation,
>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer.
>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive studies.
>>
>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to
>> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
>> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/
>> pe
>> diat
>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.
>>
>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes
>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>
>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
>> cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels
>> points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat
>> milk were already heavier.
>>
>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
>> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were
>> already overweight," Daniels says.
>>
>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is
>> that
>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major
>> driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have
>> shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
>> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-su
>> ga
>> ry-s
>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:43:29 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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> Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
>> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
>> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
>> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
>> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
>> entirely hopeless!!!
>>
>> Bern
>>
>> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
>>> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
>>> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special
>>> treats.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib!
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>>>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>>>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
>>>> real
>>>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>>>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
>>> diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I 
>>>> know
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier,
>>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
>>> been
>>>> in our food!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>> saturated
>>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>>> consequences
>>>>> you
>>>>> cite below.
>>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>>>>> to
>>>>> admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>>> looking
>>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
>>>>> in
>>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
>>>>> worry
>>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>>>> less
>>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>>> Mike
>>> is
>>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>>> fat--what
>>>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>>>> eating
>>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>>>> are
>>>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>> awful
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>> represent
>>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>>> meat
>>>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>>>> turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>> habits.
>>>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>>> general.
>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby,
>>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing
>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>>>> Had
>>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>>>>> mo
>>>>>>> bile.net
>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>>>> bile.net
>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>>> om
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>>> --
>>> --Dar
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>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:43 -0500
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <634CAF1B04EB4009B8F20F358186CB75 at SandiPC>
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> I don't know that drinking skim milk makes you fat.  But drinking whole 
> milk
> doesn't either--necessarily.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
>> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
>> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Grant E. Metcalf
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>>
>>
>> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
>> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds
>> at
>> age 8.
>> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin,
>> 10
>> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
>> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
>> interview
>> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
>> "The
>> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme
>> q10
>> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find
>> quite
>> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49,
>> HDL
>> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
>> with
>> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going
>> back
>> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
>> bad.
>> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
>> Grant
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:45:18 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <017401ce28fa$68460f40$38d22dc0$@panix.com>
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> Stattens *do* tend to reduce the risk of heart attacks but ... drum-roll 
> ...
> we don't know why. It may well have nothing to do with lowering 
> cholesterol
> at all!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:51 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> Interesting you should mention this issue.  I am currently reading a 
> couple
> of books "The Blood Sugar Solution" by Mark Hyman and "Fat Chance" by 
> Robert
> Lustig, and last night I ran across information about statins raising 
> blood
> sugar and reducing coenzyme Q10, and, incidentally, lowering HDL.  My HDL
> has been low since I was first put on Lipitor about seven years ago. 
> Funny
> how the docs mentioned the liver issue, the muscle issue, but nothing 
> about
> its lowering CoQ10 and HDL and raising blood sugar!  Right now I'm on 40
> milligrams of simvastatin, but you can bet I'm going to talk with my doc
> about it!  Honestly, sometimes I think medications are more harmful than
> helpful!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
>> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
>> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds 
>> at
>
>> age 8.
>> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin,
>> 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
>> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an interview
>> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled 
>> "The
>
>> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme
>> q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find
>> quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic,
>> 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now
>> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I
>> think I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I
>> wasn't feeling that bad. Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
>> Grant
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:41 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP136153EB2B5332BCF173288C4D70 at phx.gbl>
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> Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes out,
> another comes out contradicting the first.
>
> I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the flu
> shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same interview,
> and each had a completely different view with what seemed like good
> scientific support as to why their recommendation was the right one. One
> urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors and those with
> chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it didn't decrease
> anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and therefore shouldn't get
> one.
>
> I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community can't
> agree and see eye-to-eye.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,
> whole
> milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's the
> same.
> I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and
> whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a
> particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense to
>
> think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol we
> ate
> was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  Unfortunately,
> we
> have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you high
> cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
> cholesterol
> has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay,
> cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
> studies
> are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than
> monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
> enough
> fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
> weight.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
>
>>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
>> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you.
>> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to
>> avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
>> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
>
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
>
>> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff.
>> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
>> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence
>
>> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some
>> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite
>> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the
>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have
>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:46:07 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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> Depends on how it's made, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:43 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
> Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I
>> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork out
>
>> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster,
>> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic
>> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is
>> entirely hopeless!!!
>>
>> Bern
>>
>> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to
>>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and
>>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>> d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special
>>> treats.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime
>>>> rib!
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>
>>>> problem with increased
>>> diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier
>>>> and
>>> healthier,
>>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never
>>>> have
>>> been
>>>> in our food!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link
>>>>> between
>>> saturated
>>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>>> consequences
>>>>> you
>>>>> cite below.
>>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like
>>>>> to
>>>>> admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>> In looking
>>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>> enough to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a
>>>>> day!  We're no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people
>>>>> are finding themselves much less
>>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike
>>> is
>>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>
>>>>>> awful lot
>>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in
> much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
>
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
> popular
>>>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected
>
>>>>>> me to
>>> represent
>>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>>>>> pregnancy, and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have,
>
>>>>>> grin.
>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog
> if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>
>>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that
>>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity
>
>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it
>
>>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>
>>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to
>>>>>>> old habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven
>>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells
>>>>>>> me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity
>>>>>>> after meals.
>>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>
>>>>>>>> to fill
>>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.
>
>>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back
>>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from
>>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:48:38 -0500
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim?
> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
> Message-ID: <41657CA019BA4225AF9C8F39231E8D37 at SandiPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> I mentioned scientists, but not to the proper extent.  In spite of
> scientific method, scientists often believe they must have the only right
> answer, even though they haven't yet done the science.  And both 
> scientists
> and docs tend to have strong opinions about things they've never studied.
>
> Gotta love 'em!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> Hey Sandi!
>>
>> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly on
>> the
>> hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for quick
>> answers.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
>> StudyLinksFattier
>> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny morsels 
>> of
>> information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public, and
>> it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't contradict
>> things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our country
>> today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media, work
>> with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study it
>> some
>> more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those
>> who,
>> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to go
>> around! *smile*
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
>> StudyLinksFattier
>> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We are
>>> told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, no-carb
>>> diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study
>>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>>
>>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think
>>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something
>>> that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of the
>>> pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be true
>>> and
>>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these
>>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts"
>>> to admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake may
>>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links
>>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>> by Allison Aubrey
>>>
>>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>>
>>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk
>>> at age 2.
>>>
>>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr
>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>>
>>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk
>>> at age 2.
>>>
>>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old
>>> to-do
>>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole
>>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>>
>>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>>
>>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to
>>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>>
>>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American
>>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>>
>>> The guidance
>>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as
>>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL
>>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high
>>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to keep
>>> an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>>
>>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which
>>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, that's
>>> been the assumption.
>>>
>>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study
>>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941.
>>> sh
>>> ort?
>>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British
>>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
>> weight.
>>>
>>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>>
>>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer
>>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. He
>>> and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf
>>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the
>>> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>>
>>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher
>>> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic groups.
>>> DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not restrain
>>> weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>>
>>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. Parents
>>> were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on two
>>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4 years.
>>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this direction.
>>>
>>> In a 2005 study
>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calci
>>> um
>>> +and
>>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported
>>> +weight+gain> that
>>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among
>>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>>
>>> And a 2010 study
>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by
>>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at
>>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at age
>>> 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The
>>> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat
>>> milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early
>> childhood.
>>>
>>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become more
>>> intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to lower
>>> weight.
>>>
>>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of
>>> satiety.
>>>
>>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after
>>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food
>>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk saves
>>> a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed
>>> potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>>
>>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study
>>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children
>>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>>
>>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>>>
>>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation,
>>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer.
>>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive studies.
>>>
>>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to
>>> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels
>>> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/
>>> pe
>>> diat
>>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on Nutrition.
>>>
>>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes
>>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>>
>>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat and
>>> cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And Daniels
>>> points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on low-fat
>>> milk were already heavier.
>>>
>>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing
>>> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were
>>> already overweight," Daniels says.
>>>
>>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is
>>> that
>>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a major
>>> driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies have
>>> shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role
>>> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-su
>>> ga
>>> ry-s
>>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:50:20 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <000001ce28fb$1c4c5530$54e4ff90$@gmail.com>
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>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
> kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
> age 8.
> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on atorvastatin,
> 10
> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an interview
> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The
> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme
> q10
> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find 
> quite
> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, 
> HDL
> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with
> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going 
> back
> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:54:03 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <017501ce28fb$a1650e60$e42f2b20$@panix.com>
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>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants 
> *already*
> is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that whatever 
> it
> is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse scientific
> terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my food.
> Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh vegetables, I
> don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff and
> what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like what
> happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific 
> conditions.
> With the exception of noticing the differences between differently brewed
> beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price
> that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than domestically-raised
> turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
> of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
> delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back,
> grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
> But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
> high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
> also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
> lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
> of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
> beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
> contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
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>>> every sinner has a future
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>> --
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:58 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut 
> open
> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --  
> is
> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was 
> considered
> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right 
> out
> of a healthy cow.
>
> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
> crap.
>
> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,
>
> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
> most
> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
> consider
> food!) are just scary!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>have  ever happened.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>> with increased diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
> know
>>
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> should never have been
>> in our food!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>> withover
>>
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>
>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>
>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>>>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>> to
>>
>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>> case
>>
>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>
>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>
>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>
>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>> the
>>
>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>> better
>>
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:04:06 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Hi, Bridgit.
>
> And I don't have a problem with such disagreements. But you can't get 
> *one*
> of them to admit that they haven't a clue what the real answer is!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:44 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes out,
> another comes out contradicting the first.
>
> I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the flu
> shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same interview,
> and each had a completely different view with what seemed like good
> scientific support as to why their recommendation was the right one. One
> urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors and those with
> chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it didn't decrease
> anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and therefore shouldn't get
> one.
>
> I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community can't
> agree and see eye-to-eye.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,
> whole
> milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's the
> same.
> I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and
> whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a
> particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense to
>
> think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol we
> ate
> was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  Unfortunately,
> we
> have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you high
> cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
> cholesterol
> has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay,
> cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
> studies
> are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than
> monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
> enough
> fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
> weight.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
>
>>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
>> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you.
>> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to
>> avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
>> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
>
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
>
>> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff.
>> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
>> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence
>
>> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some
>> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite
>> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the
>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have
>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>>
>>> --
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:04:06 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <000201ce28fd$08747590$195d60b0$@gmail.com>
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> Two of my sons work for Whole Foods -- home of the $50 grocery bag, but
> there is something to "organic" food being better.  Since there is more 
> room
> under the price curve, often suppliers and shippers are quite a bit more
> careful with it.  In most cases, it has little to do with how the food is
> grown, but it has everything to do with how it gets from the plant to your
> plate.  If you pay extra, I'll bet you take more care in
> cooking/preparation.  All sorts of interesting effects which don't lend
> themselves to easy characterization.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants 
> *already*
> is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that whatever 
> it
> is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse scientific
> terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my food.
> Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh vegetables, I
> don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff and
> what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like what
> happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific 
> conditions.
> With the exception of noticing the differences between differently brewed
> beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price
> that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than domestically-raised
> turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
> of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
> delish,
> smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
> But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol
> contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
> saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should completely
> cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much as
> possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I also 
> do
> organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing comes down 
> too.
> This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful 
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
> all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like black
> beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat back 
> in,
> you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground turkey around
> here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only gained
> abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I actually 
> ate
> probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla.
> This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to the
> lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the gym 
> who
> knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>> mo
>> bile.net
>
>> --
>> --Dar
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>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:20:49 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP26177E9B943CB21EF774F0BC4D70 at phx.gbl>
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> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and
> I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
> kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds
> at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
> atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels
> increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I
> came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who
> co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact
> the statins reduced co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG
> levels. Checking the net, I did find quite a number of discussions
> regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having
> to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL
> wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back to no statins
> for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:30:29 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very
> little or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but
> when we switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately
> noticed a difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.
>
> I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't
> eat everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with
> high sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like
> the hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically
> enhanced foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we
> follow some crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from
> others and our own personal experience, we have found eating a certain
> way to work for us. But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like
> the basket of Easter candy sitting on the table, grin.
>
> And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in
> moderation.
>
> You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.
>
> Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you
> get there.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means
> that whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who
> misuse scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to
> chemicals in my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such
> things as fresh vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences
> between so-called organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as
> aficionados do. It's sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs
> taste-test beers under scientific conditions. With the exception of
> noticing the differences between differently brewed beers, they most
> often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price that
> stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
> domestically-raised turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
> delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back,
> grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
> But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods
> high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much
> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I
> also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful
> lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
> of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
> beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy,
> contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:33:38 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for 
> milk
> of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
> enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a sort 
> of
> compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class kid
> in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
> meant.
>
> I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents 
> both
> had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at least 
> so
> far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of one."
> Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds struggle
> to understand.
>
> So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all, 
> have
> a great evening and a great week.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and I
> danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
> kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
> age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
> atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels 
> increased
> and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
> interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book
> entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins 
> reduced
> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I
> did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is
> fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and 
> now
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I 
> think
> I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't
> feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:34:57 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> But all in moderation and with reason. No one here is doubting some
> modern-day practices keeping food safe and free of grubs, grin. But some
> of these chemicals and additives are not necessary.
>
> I don't like to go too far one direction or another, and I try to
> research both sides of an issue. Ultimately, I don't think enough
> research exist on any side. There are a lot of unknowns that just need a
> lot of investigation still.
>
> And I for one am not the poster child for granola living, smile. While I
> do practice some *certain* ways of living, I try to find balance. More
> than anything, balance is what I find important.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:01 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis
> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still
> do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt
> was considered a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of
> spreading tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized --
> milk right out of a healthy cow.
>
> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
> crap.
>
> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,
>
> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
> most
> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
> consider
> food!) are just scary!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>have  ever happened.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>> with increased diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
> know
>>
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> should never have been
>> in our food!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>> withover
>>
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>
>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>
>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking
>>>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>> to
>>
>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>> case
>>
>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>
>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>
>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>
>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>> the
>>
>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>> better
>>
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>
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>>>>> --
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>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:35:28 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c at samobile.net
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast?
> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut 
>> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --  
>> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was 
>> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right 
>> out
>> of a healthy cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>> crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
>> most
>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>> consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> should never have been
>>> in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>> the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:50:34 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <018d01ce2903$864d59e0$92e80da0$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long 
> way.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
> breakfast?
> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>> crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
>> most
>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>> consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> should never have been
>>> in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>> the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>
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>>>>> --
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>>>>> skype: dmgina23
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:19 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Hey Robert!
>
> Do you think Wonderbread helps strong bodies grow eight ways or twelve 
> ways?
> In the late '40's and early '50's, the ads said eight ways; then they
> changed to twelve. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for 
> milk
> of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
> enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a sort 
> of
> compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class kid
> in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
> meant.
>
> I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents 
> both
> had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at least 
> so
> far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of one."
> Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds struggle
> to understand.
>
> So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all, 
> have
> a great evening and a great week.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and I
> danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
> kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
> age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
> atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels 
> increased
> and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
> interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book
> entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins 
> reduced
> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I
> did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is
> fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and 
> now
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I 
> think
> I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't
> feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 05:52:50 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:52:50 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 5d81497b-a3f2-4af5-959f-356bd9196e1d@samobile.net
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP112291C8E703684A1BD60A3C4D70@phx.gbl>

We didn't ship perishables though. You can also find a local market and
purchase stuff once there.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of d m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:43 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


I will share with Jim,
He knows more about this than this crazy lady does.
I have never shipped food anywhere like that,
a new experience for me.

Original message:
> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought

> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat 
> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most 
> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
> smile.

> Bridgit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to

> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
> Thanks,

> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola

>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
>> cut

>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
>> cow.

>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.

>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,

>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really

>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>> problem

>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> know

>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover

>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the

>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like

>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In

>>>> looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat

>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough

>>>> to

>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no

>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case

>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they

>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give

>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic

>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like

>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
>>>>> add

>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only

>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>>> and

>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to

>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the

>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>>> the

>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad

>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start

>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better

>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live

>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>> your

>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight

>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding

>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've

>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood

>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until

>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>> felt

>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>> also

>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 25 05:54:12 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter
In-Reply-To: <281248FA104545E0A652603F40F55E0A@user2868093fd9>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2027A0BAF58C529BF0F7582C4D70@phx.gbl>

Most natural peanut butters are like that. You just have to mix it a lot
before using. I've dumped entire jars into larger air-tight containers
for better mixing, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:01 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter


Speaking of peanut butter, has anybody got a good and practical solution
for 
dealing with Adam's Natural crunchy? I've tried it a couple of times but
get 
totally frustrated with obtaining a nice smooth blending of oil and
solids. 
Consequently, I use Skippy crunchy, they don't have a natural crunchy as

yet. And my favorite bread is sprouted barley, barley seemingly better
on 
carbs for diabetics according to Mendosa's chart. Grant
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>   1. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>      Slimmer Kids (Mike Freeman)
>   2. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Mike Freeman)
>   3. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Sandi Ryan)
>   4. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>   5. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>   6. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>   7. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>      Slimmer Kids (Sandi Ryan)
>   8. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
>   9. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  10. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  11. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  12. Re: victoza (Robert Shelton)
>  13. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  14. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  15. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
>  16. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  17. Re: victoza (d m gina)
>  18. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  19. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:41:57 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
> Message-ID: <017201ce28f9$f085ee80$d191cb80$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hey Sandi!
>
> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly 
> on
> the
> hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for quick 
> answers.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny 
> morsels of information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the 
> American public, and it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, 
> scientists don't contradict things because, hey, they like the 
> limelight!  The pattern in our country today is do a study, talk about

> it, get sound-bites into the media, work with manufacturers to get the

> latest thing on the shelf, then study it some more, find out it 
> doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those who,
> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to
go
> around! *smile*
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We 
>> are told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, 
>> no-carb diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study 
>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think 
>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something

>> that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of 
>> the pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be

>> true and
>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these 
>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts"

>> to admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake 
>> may
>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links 
>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> by Allison Aubrey
>>
>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk 
>> at age 2.
>>
>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr 
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk 
>> at age 2.
>>
>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old 
>> to-do
>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole 
>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>
>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>
>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to 
>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>
>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American 
>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>
>> The guidance 
>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as 
>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL 
>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high 
>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to 
>> keep an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>
>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which 
>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, 
>> that's been the assumption.
>>
>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study 
>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941
>> .
>> sh
>> ort?
>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British
>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
> weight.
>>
>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>
>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer 
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. 
>> He and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf 
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the

>> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>
>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher

>> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic 
>> groups. DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not 
>> restrain weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>
>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. 
>> Parents were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on 
>> two
>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4
years.
>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>
>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this 
>> direction.
>>
>> In a 2005 study 
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calc
>> i
>> um
>> +and
>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported 
>> +weight+gain> that
>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among 
>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>
>> And a 2010 study 
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by 
>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at 
>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at 
>> age 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The

>> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat 
>> milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early
> childhood.
>>
>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become 
>> more intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to 
>> lower weight.
>>
>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of

>> satiety.
>>
>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after 
>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food 
>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk 
>> saves a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed

>> potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>
>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study 
>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children 
>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>
>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>>
>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, 
>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. 
>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive 
>> studies.
>>
>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to

>> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels

>> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments
>> /
>> pe
>> diat
>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on
Nutrition.
>>
>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes 
>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>
>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat 
>> and cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And 
>> Daniels points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on 
>> low-fat milk were already heavier.
>>
>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing

>> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were 
>> already overweight," Daniels says.
>>
>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is 
>> that
>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a 
>> major driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies

>> have shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role 
>> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-s
>> u
>> ga
>> ry-s
>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:43:29 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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> Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I 
>> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork 
>> out on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster, 
>> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic 
>> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is 
>> entirely hopeless!!!
>>
>> Bern
>>
>> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
>>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
>>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>>> treats.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime 
>>>> rib!
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is

>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd

>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>> the problem with increased
>>> diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier,
>>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>>>> have
>>> been
>>>> in our food!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>>> between
>>> saturated
>>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>>> consequences you
>>>>> cite below.
>>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>>> In looking
>>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat
>>>>> in
>>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
to
>>>>> worry
>>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
longer
>>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves
much
>>>>> less
>>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike
>>> is
>>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an awful lot
>>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in
much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
popular
>>>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've 
>>>>>> elected me to
>>> represent
>>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>> pregnancy, and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever 
>>>>>> have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain

>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying

>>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my
dog if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>>>>>>> needs to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is 
>>>>>>> permanent. One, start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two,

>>>>>>> eat foods that are better for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. 
>>>>>>> Activity of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so

>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether 
>>>>>>> it be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>> whatever your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity 
>>>>>>> of weight, you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to

>>>>>>> old habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more

>>>>>>> constructive and
>>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>>> general.
>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby,
>>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
dealing
>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells 
>>>>>>> me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity

>>>>>>> after meals.
>>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>> well. Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this 
>>>>>>>> class of drug is almost like a chemical lapband in that it 
>>>>>>>> causes your stomach to fill
>>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had the
>>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>>> Had
>>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
the
>>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
so
>>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>>>>> bile.net
>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>>> --
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:43 -0500
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <634CAF1B04EB4009B8F20F358186CB75 at SandiPC>
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> I don't know that drinking skim milk makes you fat.  But drinking 
> whole
> milk
> doesn't either--necessarily.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
>> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
>> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>>
>>
>> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was 
>> never overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 
>> 50 pounds at age 8.
>> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin,
>> 10
>> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
>> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
>> interview
>> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
>> "The
>> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme
>> q10
>> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find
>> quite
>> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic,
49,
>> HDL
>> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
>> with
>> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm
going
>> back
>> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
>> bad.
>> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
>> Grant
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:45:18 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <017401ce28fa$68460f40$38d22dc0$@panix.com>
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> Stattens *do* tend to reduce the risk of heart attacks but ... 
> drum-roll
> ...
> we don't know why. It may well have nothing to do with lowering 
> cholesterol
> at all!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:51 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> Interesting you should mention this issue.  I am currently reading a
> couple
> of books "The Blood Sugar Solution" by Mark Hyman and "Fat Chance" by 
> Robert
> Lustig, and last night I ran across information about statins raising 
> blood
> sugar and reducing coenzyme Q10, and, incidentally, lowering HDL.  My
HDL
> has been low since I was first put on Lipitor about seven years ago. 
> Funny
> how the docs mentioned the liver issue, the muscle issue, but nothing 
> about
> its lowering CoQ10 and HDL and raising blood sugar!  Right now I'm on
40
> milligrams of simvastatin, but you can bet I'm going to talk with my
doc
> about it!  Honestly, sometimes I think medications are more harmful
than
> helpful!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
>> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was 
>> never overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 
>> 50 pounds at
>
>> age 8.
>> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on 
>> atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels 
>> increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I

>> came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who

>> co-wrote a book entitled "The
>
>> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced 
>> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the 
>> net, I did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. 
>> My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my 
>> insulin dosage and now supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that

>> bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back to no statins for 
>> myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad. Again, 
>> that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Grant
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:41 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP136153EB2B5332BCF173288C4D70 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes 
> out, another comes out contradicting the first.
>
> I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the 
> flu shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same 
> interview, and each had a completely different view with what seemed 
> like good scientific support as to why their recommendation was the 
> right one. One urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors 
> and those with chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it 
> didn't decrease anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and 
> therefore shouldn't get one.
>
> I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community 
> can't agree and see eye-to-eye.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,

> whole milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's

> the same.
> I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and
> whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a
> particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense
to
>
> think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol 
> we ate was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  
> Unfortunately, we
> have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you
high
> cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
> cholesterol
> has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay,
> cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
> studies
> are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than
> monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
> enough
> fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
> weight.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
>>frequently.
>
>>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
>> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
>> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
>> avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
>> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using 
>> real
>
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as 
>> much
>
>> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff.

>> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing

>> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> evidence
>
>> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
>> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
>> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>> with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic

>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>> I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the

>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad 
>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to

>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better

>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.

>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight

>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>> habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>> and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>> Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've

>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to

>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely

>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>> Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>> Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have

>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for those who

>>>> can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:46:07 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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> Depends on how it's made, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:43 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
> Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I 
>> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork 
>> out
>
>> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster, 
>> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic 
>> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is 
>> entirely hopeless!!!
>>
>> Bern
>>
>> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
>>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
>>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>>> treats.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime 
>>>> rib!
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is

>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd

>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>> the
>
>>>> problem with increased
>>> diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I

>>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>>>> and
>>> healthier,
>>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>>>> have
>>> been
>>>> in our food!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>>> between
>>> saturated
>>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>>> consequences you
>>>>> cite below.
>>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like to
>>>>> admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing! 
>>>>> In looking
>>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>> enough to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a 
>>>>> day!  We're no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people 
>>>>> are finding themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a 
>>>>> bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>>> Mike
>>> is
>>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an
>
>>>>>> awful lot
>>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in
> much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried 
>>>>>> beans
>
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
> popular
>>>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say

>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've 
>>>>>> elected
>
>>>>>> me to
>>> represent
>>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>> pregnancy, and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever 
>>>>>> have,
>
>>>>>> grin.
>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain

>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying

>>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I 
>>>>>> am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog
> if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad you 
>>>>>> lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>>>>>>> needs
>
>>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,

>>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. 
>>>>>>> Activity
>
>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so

>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether 
>>>>>>> it
>
>>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>> whatever
>
>>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,

>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to

>>>>>>> old habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more

>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from

>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells 
>>>>>>> me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity

>>>>>>> after meals.
>>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>> well.
>
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely
>
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug

>>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your 
>>>>>>>> stomach
>
>>>>>>>> to fill
>>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had the
>>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>> evening.
>
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over 
>>>>>>>> tomorrow.
>
>>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now 
>>>>>>>> game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:48:38 -0500
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? 
> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
> Message-ID: <41657CA019BA4225AF9C8F39231E8D37 at SandiPC>
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>
> I mentioned scientists, but not to the proper extent.  In spite of 
> scientific method, scientists often believe they must have the only 
> right answer, even though they haven't yet done the science.  And both

> scientists and docs tend to have strong opinions about things they've 
> never studied.
>
> Gotta love 'em!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> Hey Sandi!
>>
>> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly

>> on the hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for 
>> quick answers.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
>> StudyLinksFattier
>> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny 
>> morsels
>> of
>> information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public,
and
>> it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't
contradict
>> things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our
country
>> today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media,
work
>> with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study
it
>> some
>> more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to
those
>> who,
>> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility
to go
>> around! *smile*
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
>> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We 
>>> are told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, 
>>> no-carb diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study 
>>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>>
>>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think 
>>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with 
>>> something that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin 
>>> responses of the pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) 
>>> this *can't* be true and
>>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these

>>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the 
>>> "experts" to admit that people may differ and that, for some, 
>>> calorie intake may
>>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links 
>>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>> by Allison Aubrey
>>>
>>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>>
>>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk

>>> at age 2.
>>>
>>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr 
>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>>
>>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk

>>> at age 2.
>>>
>>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old 
>>> to-do
>>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole

>>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>>
>>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>>
>>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to 
>>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>>
>>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American 
>>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>>
>>> The guidance 
>>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as

>>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL

>>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high 
>>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to 
>>> keep an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>>
>>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which

>>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, 
>>> that's been the assumption.
>>>
>>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study 
>>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-30294
>>> 1.
>>> sh
>>> ort?
>>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the
British
>>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
>> weight.
>>>
>>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>>
>>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer 
>>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. 
>>> He and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf 
>>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of 
>>> the University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>>
>>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and 
>>> higher body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and 
>>> socioeconomic groups. DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat 
>>> milk did not restrain weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>>
>>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. 
>>> Parents were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on

>>> two
>>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4
years.
>>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this 
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> In a 2005 study 
>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+cal
>>> ci
>>> um
>>> +and
>>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported

>>> +weight+gain> that
>>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among 
>>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>>
>>> And a 2010 study 
>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by 
>>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at 
>>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at 
>>> age 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). 
>>> The researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to 
>>> reduced-fat milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight 
>>> problems in early
>> childhood.
>>>
>>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become 
>>> more intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to 
>>> lower weight.
>>>
>>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense 
>>> of satiety.
>>>
>>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after 
>>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food 
>>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk 
>>> saves a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of 
>>> mashed potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>>
>>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study

>>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children 
>>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>>
>>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat 
>>> milk?
>>>
>>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, 
>>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer.

>>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive 
>>> studies.
>>>
>>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation 
>>> to give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen 
>>> Daniels 
>>>
<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/
>>> pe
>>> diat
>>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on
Nutrition.
>>>
>>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes

>>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>>
>>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat 
>>> and cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And 
>>> Daniels points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on 
>>> low-fat milk were already heavier.
>>>
>>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been 
>>> choosing low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who 
>>> were already overweight," Daniels says.
>>>
>>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is 
>>> that
>>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a 
>>> major driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many 
>>> studies have shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger

>>> role 
>>>
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-su
>>> ga
>>> ry-s
>>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>>
>>>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:50:20 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <000001ce28fb$1c4c5530$54e4ff90$@gmail.com>
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>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10
> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview
> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
"The
> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme
> q10
> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find 
> quite
> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic,
49, 
> HDL
> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
with
> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going

> back
> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:54:03 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <017501ce28fb$a1650e60$e42f2b20$@panix.com>
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>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already*
> is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
whatever 
> it
> is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
scientific
> terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my
food.
> Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
vegetables, I
> don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff
and
> what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like
what
> happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific 
> conditions.
> With the exception of noticing the differences between differently
brewed
> beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and
price
> that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens
are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
domestically-raised
> turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
> delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going 
> back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
> frequently. But yes, portion control and exercise are key for 
> everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
> avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence

> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:58 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> beans -- and still do --
> is
> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was 
> considered
> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
right 
> out
> of a healthy cow.
>
> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
> us?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's 
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, 
> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
> synthetic crap.
>
> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would 
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> safest,
>
> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> things we consider
> food!) are just scary!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why 
>>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>have  ever happened.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>> on earth is fructose.  I
> know
>>
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>> the
>
>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like
>
>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>> looking
>>>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to
>>
>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>> case
>>
>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they
>
>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and
>
>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to
>
>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start
>
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>> better
>>
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your
>
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>> can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding
>
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>> --
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:04:06 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Hi, Bridgit.
>
> And I don't have a problem with such disagreements. But you can't get
> *one*
> of them to admit that they haven't a clue what the real answer is!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:44 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes 
> out, another comes out contradicting the first.
>
> I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the 
> flu shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same 
> interview, and each had a completely different view with what seemed 
> like good scientific support as to why their recommendation was the 
> right one. One urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors 
> and those with chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it 
> didn't decrease anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and 
> therefore shouldn't get one.
>
> I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community 
> can't agree and see eye-to-eye.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,

> whole milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's

> the same.
> I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and
> whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a
> particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense
to
>
> think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol 
> we ate was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  
> Unfortunately, we
> have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you
high
> cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
> cholesterol
> has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay,
> cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
> studies
> are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than
> monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
> enough
> fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
> weight.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
>>frequently.
>
>>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
>> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
>> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
>> avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
>> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using 
>> real
>
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as 
>> much
>
>> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff.

>> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing

>> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> evidence
>
>> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
>> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
>> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>> with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic

>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>> I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the

>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad 
>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to

>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better

>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.

>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight

>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>> habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>> and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>> Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've

>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to

>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely

>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>> Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>> Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have

>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for those who

>>>> can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>>
>>> --
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:04:06 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <000201ce28fd$08747590$195d60b0$@gmail.com>
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>
> Two of my sons work for Whole Foods -- home of the $50 grocery bag, 
> but there is something to "organic" food being better.  Since there is

> more room under the price curve, often suppliers and shippers are 
> quite a bit more careful with it.  In most cases, it has little to do 
> with how the food is grown, but it has everything to do with how it 
> gets from the plant to your plate.  If you pay extra, I'll bet you 
> take more care in cooking/preparation.  All sorts of interesting 
> effects which don't lend themselves to easy characterization.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already*
> is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
whatever 
> it
> is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
scientific
> terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my
food.
> Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
vegetables, I
> don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff
and
> what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like
what
> happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific 
> conditions.
> With the exception of noticing the differences between differently
brewed
> beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and
price
> that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens
are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
domestically-raised
> turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
> delish,
> smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
> frequently. But yes, portion control and exercise are key for 
> everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
> cholesterol
> contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
> saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too.
> This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla.
> This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to
the
> lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the
gym 
> who
> knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over
there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>> bile.net
>
>> --
>> --Dar
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>>   FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:20:49 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, 
> and I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose 
> levels increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks

> ago I came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny 
> Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They 
> discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme q10 in the body and 
> increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find quite a number 
> of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54,

> but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with 
> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going

> back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling 
> that bad. Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Grant
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:30:29 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very 
> little or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but

> when we switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately 
> noticed a difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.
>
> I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't

> eat everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with

> high sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like 
> the hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically 
> enhanced foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we 
> follow some crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from

> others and our own personal experience, we have found eating a certain

> way to work for us. But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. 
> Like the basket of Easter candy sitting on the table, grin.
>
> And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in 
> moderation.
>
> You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.
>
> Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how 
> you get there.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means 
> that whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who

> misuse scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to 
> chemicals in my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such 
> things as fresh vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences 
> between so-called organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store 
> as aficionados do. It's sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs 
> taste-test beers under scientific conditions. With the exception of 
> noticing the differences between differently brewed beers, they most 
> often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price that 
> stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are 
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than 
> domestically-raised turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
> delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going 
> back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
> frequently. But yes, portion control and exercise are key for 
> everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
> avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence

> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:33:38 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for
> milk
> of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
> enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a
sort 
> of
> compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class
kid
> in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
> meant.
>
> I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents
> both
> had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at
least 
> so
> far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of
one."
> Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds
struggle
> to understand.
>
> So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all,
> have
> a great evening and a great week.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, 
> and I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose 
> levels increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks

> ago I came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny 
> Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They 
> discussed the fact the statins reduced
> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the
net, I
> did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL
is
> fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage
and 
> now
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I

> think
> I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I
wasn't
> feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:34:57 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> But all in moderation and with reason. No one here is doubting some 
> modern-day practices keeping food safe and free of grubs, grin. But 
> some of these chemicals and additives are not necessary.
>
> I don't like to go too far one direction or another, and I try to 
> research both sides of an issue. Ultimately, I don't think enough 
> research exist on any side. There are a lot of unknowns that just need

> a lot of investigation still.
>
> And I for one am not the poster child for granola living, smile. While

> I do practice some *certain* ways of living, I try to find balance. 
> More than anything, balance is what I find important.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:01 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
> cow.
>
> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
> us?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's 
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, 
> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
> synthetic crap.
>
> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would 
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> safest,
>
> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> things we consider
> food!) are just scary!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why 
>>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>have  ever happened.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>> on earth is fructose.  I
> know
>>
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>> the
>
>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like
>
>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>> looking
>>>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to
>>
>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>> case
>>
>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they
>
>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and
>
>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to
>
>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start
>
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>> better
>>
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your
>
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>> can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding
>
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:35:28 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c at samobile.net
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>> had to cut open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could 
>> get Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green

>> beans -- and still do --
>> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was 
>> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
right 
>> out
>> of a healthy cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and

>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>> to go to the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game

>>>>>>> is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>>> sa
>>>>>> mo
>>>>>> bile.net
>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>
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>
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> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:50:34 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <018d01ce2903$864d59e0$92e80da0$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a 
> long
> way.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>> had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis 
>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and 
>> still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading 
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk 
>> right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and

>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>> to go to the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
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>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game

>>>>>>> is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:19 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Hey Robert!
>
> Do you think Wonderbread helps strong bodies grow eight ways or twelve
> ways?
> In the late '40's and early '50's, the ads said eight ways; then they
> changed to twelve. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for
> milk
> of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
> enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a
sort 
> of
> compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class
kid
> in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
> meant.
>
> I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents
> both
> had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at
least 
> so
> far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of
one."
> Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds
struggle
> to understand.
>
> So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all,
> have
> a great evening and a great week.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, 
> and I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose 
> levels increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks

> ago I came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny 
> Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They 
> discussed the fact the statins reduced
> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the
net, I
> did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL
is
> fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage
and 
> now
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I

> think
> I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I
wasn't
> feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 14:51:32 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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And our foods are laced with prebiotics, probiotics, and other supplements 
not proven to do anything--just thought to improve health.  That's not 
agriculture, that's marketing manufactured goods, whether they do what they 
say or not.  Hmm!  So much for truth in advertising!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I hear what you say, and the "green revolution" probably saved millions if
> not billions of children from starving to death, but the tools of today 
> are
> far more powerful.  The genes that render crops impervious to herbicides 
> can
> and do transfer to weeds.  It's not simple at all, and our wisest don't 
> know
> what to do.  And in the mean time, research and development chases the
> almighty dollar without as much as a passing thought of what it will mean 
> to
> our children's children's children.
>
> Oh, but relax and be merry.  This will all be an afterthought one day.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:56 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Up with genetic engineering! (grin) After all, all our agriculture -- yes,
> even that of ten thousand years ago -- was through genetically engineered
> products: the "rachis" that holds wheat kernels on the plants is too 
> strong
> to harvest easily on the original einkorn wheat of the Middle East. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:30 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very little
> or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but when we
> switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately noticed a
> difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.
>
> I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't eat
> everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with high
> sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like the
> hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically enhanced
> foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we follow some
> crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from others and our
> own personal experience, we have found eating a certain way to work for 
> us.
> But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like the basket of Easter
> candy sitting on the table, grin.
>
> And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in moderation.
>
> You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.
>
> Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you 
> get
> there.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
> whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
> scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals 
> in
> my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
> vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences between so-called
> organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. 
> It's
> sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under
> scientific conditions. With the exception of noticing the differences
> between differently brewed beers, they most often can't tell the 
> difference.
> It's the label and price that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or
> barnyard-raised chickens are tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot
> stringier than domestically-raised turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the satisfaction
> of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
> delish,
> smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
> But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol
> contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
> saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should completely
> cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much as
> possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I also 
> do
> organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing comes down 
> too.
> This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful 
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
> all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like black
> beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat back 
> in,
> you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground turkey around
> here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only gained
> abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I actually 
> ate
> probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla.
> This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to the
> lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the gym 
> who
> knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 14:52:17 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:52:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Those things certainly play roles in "our problem."

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I think the main problem is inactivity, and screwing up our systems with 
>dieting, which sends our bodies into starvation mode.
> Linda.
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 14:59:55 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:59:55 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of chicken, 
ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a tiny 
electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery stores 
and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a local 
restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.

If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any canned 
goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even better 
idea.

If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of making 
your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin, etc. 
from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch, or a 
grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is not 
to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and 
come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you like, 
but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and sugary 
drinks goes a long way in that direction!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
> won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>
>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>
>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>> cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>> us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>> synthetic crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>> safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>
>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>> the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>> like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>
>>>> looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>
>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>> they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>
>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>> and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>
>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>> the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>
>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>
>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>>> 0
>>>>>> sa
>>>>>> mo
>>>>>> bile.net
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 15:14:11 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:14:11 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 47a4f8fc-41d9-4c73-8d7e-ccb6d64daf1a@samobile.net

You want to be careful about bringing food to conventions though, as 
you could be biting the hand that houses you. Not many people know that 
hotels give convention rates, hoping to make up the difference on the 
food they will sell. If people start going out to other places, and 
bringing in food, than convention costs will soar.
many restaurants, especially those in hotels, do make an attempt to 
offer healthy food choices, making it up to the customer to use a 
little self restraing.
Linda.



From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 15:17:36 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter
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Stir often like Grandma did ... and keep in the frig.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2013, at 21:00, "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Speaking of peanut butter, has anybody got a good and practical solution for dealing with Adam's Natural crunchy? I've tried it a couple of times but get totally frustrated with obtaining a nice smooth blending of oil and solids. Consequently, I use Skippy crunchy, they don't have a natural crunchy as yet. And my favorite bread is sprouted barley, barley seemingly better on carbs for diabetics according to Mendosa's chart. Grant
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 22
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>>  1. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>>     Slimmer Kids (Mike Freeman)
>>  2. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Mike Freeman)
>>  3. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Sandi Ryan)
>>  4. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>>  5. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>  6. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>  7. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>>     Slimmer Kids (Sandi Ryan)
>>  8. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)



From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 18:34:46 2013
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter
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Hey Gang:

Talked with a friend of mine a couple hours ago who takes her
peanutbutter and puts it upside down with the cover on tight in the
frig overnight and she said hers mixed fine.  The only one that didn't
for her was "Smuckers."

On 3/25/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> Stir often like Grandma did ... and keep in the frig.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 24, 2013, at 21:00, "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of peanut butter, has anybody got a good and practical solution
>> for dealing with Adam's Natural crunchy? I've tried it a couple of times
>> but get totally frustrated with obtaining a nice smooth blending of oil
>> and solids. Consequently, I use Skippy crunchy, they don't have a natural
>> crunchy as yet. And my favorite bread is sprouted barley, barley seemingly
>> better on carbs for diabetics according to Mendosa's chart. Grant
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:53 PM
>> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 22
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>>>     Slimmer Kids (Mike Freeman)
>>>  2. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Mike Freeman)
>>>  3. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Sandi Ryan)
>>>  4. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>>>  5. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>>  6. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>>>  7. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>>>     Slimmer Kids (Sandi Ryan)
>>>  8. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Mar 25 18:45:18 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:45:18 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 548fd8c1-d4ab-4c79-9633-b65c85c3abb8@samobile.net

How nice you can drive over.
We will have three in our room, so we will all work together I am sure.
Thanks for all the advice.

Original message:
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of chicken,
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a tiny
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery stores
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a local
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.

> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any canned
> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even better
> idea.

> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of making
> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin, etc.
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch, or a
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is not
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you like,
> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and sugary
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!

> Sandi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
>> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
>> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
>> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
>> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
>> won't take all you brought
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,

>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>> cow.

>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>> us?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>> synthetic crap.

>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> safest,

>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have  ever happened.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know

>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been in our food!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover

>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>> the

>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like

>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>>>> looking

>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>> to

>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case

>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>> are better off eating

>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they

>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>> and

>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding

>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>>> --
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 20:05:28 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:05:28 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Dear Sandy,

Hi!  Please contact me off list so, I may show you how easy it is to change 
the subject line on your emails to this list serve.

joystigile at gmail.com

Sincerely, Joy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> And our foods are laced with prebiotics, probiotics, and other supplements 
> not proven to do anything--just thought to improve health.  That's not 
> agriculture, that's marketing manufactured goods, whether they do what 
> they say or not.  Hmm!  So much for truth in advertising!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I hear what you say, and the "green revolution" probably saved millions if
>> not billions of children from starving to death, but the tools of today 
>> are
>> far more powerful.  The genes that render crops impervious to herbicides 
>> can
>> and do transfer to weeds.  It's not simple at all, and our wisest don't 
>> know
>> what to do.  And in the mean time, research and development chases the
>> almighty dollar without as much as a passing thought of what it will mean 
>> to
>> our children's children's children.
>>
>> Oh, but relax and be merry.  This will all be an afterthought one day.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:56 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Up with genetic engineering! (grin) After all, all our agriculture --  
>> yes,
>> even that of ten thousand years ago -- was through genetically engineered
>> products: the "rachis" that holds wheat kernels on the plants is too 
>> strong
>> to harvest easily on the original einkorn wheat of the Middle East. 
>> (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:30 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very 
>> little
>> or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but when we
>> switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately noticed a
>> difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.
>>
>> I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't 
>> eat
>> everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with high
>> sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like the
>> hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically enhanced
>> foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we follow some
>> crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from others and our
>> own personal experience, we have found eating a certain way to work for 
>> us.
>> But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. Like the basket of Easter
>> candy sitting on the table, grin.
>>
>> And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in moderation.
>>
>> You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.
>>
>> Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how you 
>> get
>> there.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
>> *already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means 
>> that
>> whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
>> scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals 
>> in
>> my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
>> vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences between so-called
>> organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. 
>> It's
>> sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under
>> scientific conditions. With the exception of noticing the differences
>> between differently brewed beers, they most often can't tell the 
>> difference.
>> It's the label and price that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or
>> barnyard-raised chickens are tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot
>> stringier than domestically-raised turkey.
>>
>> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
>> satisfaction
>> of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
>> delish,
>> smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods frequently.
>> But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
>> cholesterol
>> contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
>> saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
>> completely
>> cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much as
>> possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. I also 
>> do
>> organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing comes down 
>> too.
>> This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful 
>> lot
>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of 
>> the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made 
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with 
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
>> all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like black
>> beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat back 
>> in,
>> you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground turkey around
>> here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained
>> abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I actually 
>> ate
>> probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla.
>> This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to 
>> the
>> lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the gym 
>> who
>> knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over there.
>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>>> --
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>> --
>> --Dar
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 20:08:54 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Dear Linda,

Please contact me off list so, I may show you how easy it is to change the 
subject line when you decide to change topic.

joystigile at gmail.com
Sincerely, Joy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "limestone lady" <limestonelady at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> You want to be careful about bringing food to conventions though, as you 
> could be biting the hand that houses you. Not many people know that hotels 
> give convention rates, hoping to make up the difference on the food they 
> will sell. If people start going out to other places, and bringing in 
> food, than convention costs will soar.
> many restaurants, especially those in hotels, do make an attempt to offer 
> healthy food choices, making it up to the customer to use a little self 
> restraing.
> Linda.
>
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 20:14:10 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:14:10 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Dear Gina,

Hi!  Please contact me off list so, I may show you how to change the subject 
line when you decide to change the topic.  It is very easy.

joystigile at gmail.com

Sincerely, Joy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> How nice you can drive over.
> We will have three in our room, so we will all work together I am sure.
> Thanks for all the advice.
>
> Original message:
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of 
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a 
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery 
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a 
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
>> canned
>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even 
>> better
>> idea.
>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
>> making
>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin, 
>> etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch, or 
>> a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is 
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you 
>> like,
>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and 
>> sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
>>> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
>>> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
>>> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
>>> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
>>> won't take all you brought
>>> just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,
>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>
>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>> cow.
>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>> us?
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>> synthetic crap.
>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>> safest,
>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>> things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>
>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover
>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>> like
>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>
>>>>>> looking
>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case
>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>> they
>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>
>>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>>>>> sa
>>>>>>>> mo
>>>>>>>> bile.net
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>
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>>>>> ma
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 20:26:56 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:56 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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Dear Joy: 
Please contact me off the list so that I may show you how to send off-topic messages like the one below to individuals rather than to the list. :-) trying to get people to change subject lines is a lost cause. Remember the Serenity Prayer and where the Delete Key is located! 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2013, at 13:05, "Joy Stigile" <joystigile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Sandy,
> 
> Hi!  Please contact me off list so, I may show you how easy it is to change the subject line on your emails to this list serve.
> 
> joystigile at gmail.com
> 
> Sincerely, Joy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
>> And our foods are laced with prebiotics, probiotics, and other supplements not proven to do anything--just thought to improve health.  That's not agriculture, that's marketing manufactured goods, whether they do what they say or not.  Hmm!  So much for truth in advertising!
>> 
>> Sandi
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>> I hear what you say, and the "green revolution" probably saved millions if
>>> not billions of children from starving to death, but the tools of today are
>>> far more powerful.  The genes that render crops impervious to herbicides can
>>> and do transfer to weeds.  It's not simple at all, and our wisest don't know
>>> what to do.  And in the mean time, research and development chases the
>>> almighty dollar without as much as a passing thought of what it will mean to



From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 23:04:59 2013
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:04:59 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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As for Bill and me, we do a combination of all those things.  Thing
we've done lately is to split a cab with two or three people, hit a
grocery store for all our goodies.  I buy plenty of fresh fruits and a
couple bags of salad mix and a couple bottles of dressing and we grab
a couple cases of water for the week and haul it back in the cabby.
No matter what you spend on the cab, sure beats all you'll spend for
meals at and around the hotel!  We usually try to only eat one meal
out a day.  We buy oatmeal, granola bars, cereal, and a gallon of
milk.  We bring a couple sets of utensils along with us and simply
rewash them in the sink.  As for coffee, we use the hotel coffee, (bad
as it usually is), then maybe treat ourselves to Starbucks or D-N-D,
whatever is there.  After all, I've gotta have "real" coffee!!  Bill
and I will pick up an occasional snack-pack or so and I try to pick
out the least offensive crud.  I simply test and if I need more
insulin than I would at home, I've got it there and I use it to save
my numbers.

Bern

On 3/25/13, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
> How nice you can drive over.
> We will have three in our room, so we will all work together I am sure.
> Thanks for all the advice.
>
> Original message:
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned
>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>> better
>> idea.
>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making
>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>> etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch, or
>> a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>> like,
>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>> sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
>>> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
>>> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
>>> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
>>> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
>>> won't take all you brought
>>> just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,
>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>
>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>> cow.
>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>> us?
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>> synthetic crap.
>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>> safest,
>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>> things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>
>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover
>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>> like
>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>
>>>>>> looking
>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case
>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>> they
>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>
>>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/rshelton1%
>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>> 0gmail
>>>>>>>>> .com
>
>
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>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> sa
>>>>>>>> mo
>>>>>>>> bile.net
>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 23:55:45 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:55:45 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] [Diabetes-talk Convention ideals
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Dear Bern,
My friends and I have been doing that for years.  We get breakfast and lunch 
items because it saves time, money and calories.

Joy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> As for Bill and me, we do a combination of all those things.  Thing
> we've done lately is to split a cab with two or three people, hit a
> grocery store for all our goodies.  I buy plenty of fresh fruits and a
> couple bags of salad mix and a couple bottles of dressing and we grab
> a couple cases of water for the week and haul it back in the cabby.
> No matter what you spend on the cab, sure beats all you'll spend for
> meals at and around the hotel!  We usually try to only eat one meal
> out a day.  We buy oatmeal, granola bars, cereal, and a gallon of
> milk.  We bring a couple sets of utensils along with us and simply
> rewash them in the sink.  As for coffee, we use the hotel coffee, (bad
> as it usually is), then maybe treat ourselves to Starbucks or D-N-D,
> whatever is there.  After all, I've gotta have "real" coffee!!  Bill
> and I will pick up an occasional snack-pack or so and I try to pick
> out the least offensive crud.  I simply test and if I need more
> insulin than I would at home, I've got it there and I use it to save
> my numbers.
>
> Bern
>
> On 3/25/13, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>> How nice you can drive over.
>> We will have three in our room, so we will all work together I am sure.
>> Thanks for all the advice.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>>> chicken,
>>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>>> tiny
>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>>> stores
>>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>>> local
>>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>>> canned
>>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>>> better
>>> idea.
>>
>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>>> making
>>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>>> etc.
>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch, 
>>> or
>>> a
>>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>>> not
>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>>> like,
>>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>>> sugary
>>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
>>>> and
>>>> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
>>>> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Food food food,
>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
>>>> Do
>>>> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
>>>> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
>>>> won't take all you brought
>>>> just to have a meal?
>>>> Thanks,
>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>>
>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>>
>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>>> cow.
>>
>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>>> us?
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>>> synthetic crap.
>>
>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>>> safest,
>>
>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>>> things we consider
>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>>> have  ever happened.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>
>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>
>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>> know
>>
>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>>> withover
>>
>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>>> like
>>
>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>
>>>>>>> looking
>>
>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>
>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>
>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>>> case
>>
>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>
>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>>> they
>>
>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>
>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>
>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>
>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>
>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>
>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>
>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>
>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>>> start
>>
>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>>> better
>>
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>
>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>>> your
>>
>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>
>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>>> finding
>>
>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>
>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>
>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>
>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>
>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>
>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 01:04:29 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:04:29 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 540bd2e5-d470-411c-abd5-1fa50729d5f5@samobile.net
References: 540bd2e5-d470-411c-abd5-1fa50729d5f5@samobile.net
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Yeah ... why not? Heck; I've been known to scarf down pizza for breakfast!
Yum!

Actually, though, it sounds as if it's about time for my YMMV lecture --
Your Mileage May Vary. Dar, I know you want hard-and-fast rules for what
diabetics should eat when and how much. You've received quite a few
suggestions but they should be taken as guidelines, not absolutes. Each
diabetic is different from every other diabetic -- even diabetics of the
same "type" are affected differently by different foods except that for all
of us, carbs raise blood sugar in most circumstances. For instance, I can
eat a giant peanut butter and mayo sandwich and the effect is just about
what I expect, predictable by the carb load. But I know someone else whose
bg readings would go through the roof with such a sandwich. Again, many can
drink milk without difficulty. But unless I'm careful, milk can drive my
readings far beyond what's reasonable. Different strokes and all that.

Given that caution, here's what I do. I have a jar or two of cashoos for
quick snacks or if I know I won't be able to eat a convention meal. Since
I'm on an intense insulin regimen, I only take a basal insulin at night and
give myself shots of rapid-acting at meals. I eat two humongous meals --
breakfast and dinner -- and usually just eat at the hotel. Yes, it's
expensive but that's life in the fast lane. My breakfasts are the sort that
orthodox diabetes educators would have a heart attack over -- lots of bacon,
eggs, sausage and a *few* potatos and some fruit (seldom juices as one gets
too many carbs too quickly that way). I often don't worry about lunch. If
there's a good sandwich place in the hotel, I'll eat lunch there.

Although in the past I've bought milk, bread and peanut butter, I usually
don't want to be bothered with it. But that is probably not the way you
would want to eat. So read what everyone writes and then make your own
decisions.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:57 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

OK that is what you do for lunch?
Are you saying breakfast as well?
Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

Original message:
> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long
way.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
> breakfast?
> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,

> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.

>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>> crap.

>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
>> most
>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>> consider
>> food!) are just scary!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>> have  ever happened.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>> with increased diabetes,
>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know

>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> should never have been
>>> in our food!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Sandi:

>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>> withover

>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>> looking

>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>> to

>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>> case

>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>> are better off eating

>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>> diabetic

>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>> the

>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>> people

>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>> better

>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>> weight

>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>> I've

>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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>>>>>> --
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>>>>> --
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 01:05:06 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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Yeah ... she was absolutely correct!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:59 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

You know, Mike, my mom, a wise and skeptical woman, bought what was on sale
at Safeway.  She told me that Wonderbread was just a big scam.  Gotta love
Mom, gone 12 years today.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:53 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Hey Robert!

Do you think Wonderbread helps strong bodies grow eight ways or twelve ways?
In the late '40's and early '50's, the ads said eight ways; then they
changed to twelve. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for milk
of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a sort of
compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class kid
in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
meant.  

I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents both
had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at least so
far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of one."
Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds struggle
to understand.  

So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all, have
a great evening and a great week.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, and I
danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert Shelton
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- all
kinds of exercise.


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol

On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been
underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol


As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never
overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 pounds at
age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased
and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book
entitled "The cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I
did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is
fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now
supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think
I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't
feeling that bad. 
Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Grant


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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 02:08:30 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:08:30 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FYI
Message-ID: <010101ce29c6$d0cb2240$726166c0$@panix.com>

From: acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Matulis
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:56 PM
To: acb-diabetics at acb.org
Subject: [acb-diabetics] Meter

 

Most of us do not use this meter but,  I thought I would share this in case a family member does.




J&J recalls nearly 2 million blood glucose meters worldwide


 <http://www.reuters.com/> Reuters

(Reuters) - Johnson & Johnson is recalling and replacing nearly 2 million meters used to measure blood glucose levels in diabetics due to a failure to operate properly at extremely high glucose readings, the company's LifeScan unit said on Monday.

In the United States, about 90,000 OneTouch Verio IQ meters are affected out of some 1.2 million units of that model being recalled worldwide, the company said.

At extremely high glucose readings of 1024 mg/dl and above, the units have failed to provide a warning of dangerously high blood sugar and will shut off, potentially delaying proper treatment, the company said.

LifeScan said it has notified the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and other health regulators of the voluntary recall, as well as registered users and healthcare professionals.

In addition to the Verio IQ model, J&J is also recalling about 670,000 of its OneTouch Verio Pro meters in Europe and 4,900 of its hospital-based OneTouch Verio Pro+ meters in the Middle East, Europe and the Asia/Pacific region.

No patient injuries have been reported in the United States related to the malfunction, the company said. LifeScan said there was one report of a serious adverse event outside the United States, but a link to the malfunctioning glucose meter had not been determined.

"We regret the inconvenience these actions may cause. However, we will always err on the side of caution and make a decision that is in the best interest of our patients," Michael Pfeifer, LifeScan's chief medical officer, said in a statement.

The company said its OneTouch Ultra model was not affected by the recall.

It said patients could continue to use the Verio IQ model until replacements arrive as long as they are aware that if the unit shuts down it could be indicative of dangerously high glucose levels.

(This story has been fixed to correct the headline and the first paragraph to nearly 2 million, from more than)

(Reporting by Bill Berkrot; editing by John Wallace)

Nancy Matulis

ACB Maine Secretary

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Mar 26 02:28:17 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:28:17 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 54a7dc62-7aeb-452e-89c2-8e9b8df29e51@samobile.net

Now tell me how on earth do you cook oatmeal when there is no wave in the room?
We do oatmeal in the wave at home.

Original message:
> As for Bill and me, we do a combination of all those things.  Thing
> we've done lately is to split a cab with two or three people, hit a
> grocery store for all our goodies.  I buy plenty of fresh fruits and a
> couple bags of salad mix and a couple bottles of dressing and we grab
> a couple cases of water for the week and haul it back in the cabby.
> No matter what you spend on the cab, sure beats all you'll spend for
> meals at and around the hotel!  We usually try to only eat one meal
> out a day.  We buy oatmeal, granola bars, cereal, and a gallon of
> milk.  We bring a couple sets of utensils along with us and simply
> rewash them in the sink.  As for coffee, we use the hotel coffee, (bad
> as it usually is), then maybe treat ourselves to Starbucks or D-N-D,
> whatever is there.  After all, I've gotta have "real" coffee!!  Bill
> and I will pick up an occasional snack-pack or so and I try to pick
> out the least offensive crud.  I simply test and if I need more
> insulin than I would at home, I've got it there and I use it to save
> my numbers.

> Bern

> On 3/25/13, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>> How nice you can drive over.
>> We will have three in our room, so we will all work together I am sure.
>> Thanks for all the advice.

>> Original message:
>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>>> chicken,
>>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>>> tiny
>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>>> stores
>>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>>> local
>>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.

>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>>> canned
>>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>>> better
>>> idea.

>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>>> making
>>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>>> etc.
>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch, or
>>> a
>>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>>> not
>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>>> like,
>>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>>> sugary
>>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, and
>>>> the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs to
>>>> be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, smile.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Food food food,
>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. Do
>>>> you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough until
>>>> you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to that
>>>> won't take all you brought
>>>> just to have a meal?
>>>> Thanks,

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>>> cow.

>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>>> us?

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>>> synthetic crap.

>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>>> safest,

>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>>> things we consider
>>>>> food!) are just scary!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>>> have  ever happened.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>> know

>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>>> should never have been in our food!

>>>>>> Sandi

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>>> withover

>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>>>>>> looking

>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>>> case

>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>>>> are better off eating

>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>>>> Sandi

>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>>> finding

>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Mar 26 02:38:13 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:38:13 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 0ccf84f8-b6a0-4ac6-87f2-a7aa35726439@samobile.net

I know what I can do, so wasn't worry for me, just wanted to know 
having tips on what folks do.
I don't stay in hotels often, when we do we have eaten either around 
the hotel area places we knew would be cheaper.
Or ate at the hotel.
I didn't know what you could do with just a fridge with no wave.
Then if you go to lunch with someone you sure don't want to have lots 
of left over food.

Original message:
> Yeah ... why not? Heck; I've been known to scarf down pizza for breakfast!
> Yum!

> Actually, though, it sounds as if it's about time for my YMMV lecture --
> Your Mileage May Vary. Dar, I know you want hard-and-fast rules for what
> diabetics should eat when and how much. You've received quite a few
> suggestions but they should be taken as guidelines, not absolutes. Each
> diabetic is different from every other diabetic -- even diabetics of the
> same "type" are affected differently by different foods except that for all
> of us, carbs raise blood sugar in most circumstances. For instance, I can
> eat a giant peanut butter and mayo sandwich and the effect is just about
> what I expect, predictable by the carb load. But I know someone else whose
> bg readings would go through the roof with such a sandwich. Again, many can
> drink milk without difficulty. But unless I'm careful, milk can drive my
> readings far beyond what's reasonable. Different strokes and all that.

> Given that caution, here's what I do. I have a jar or two of cashoos for
> quick snacks or if I know I won't be able to eat a convention meal. Since
> I'm on an intense insulin regimen, I only take a basal insulin at night and
> give myself shots of rapid-acting at meals. I eat two humongous meals --
> breakfast and dinner -- and usually just eat at the hotel. Yes, it's
> expensive but that's life in the fast lane. My breakfasts are the sort that
> orthodox diabetes educators would have a heart attack over -- lots of bacon,
> eggs, sausage and a *few* potatos and some fruit (seldom juices as one gets
> too many carbs too quickly that way). I often don't worry about lunch. If
> there's a good sandwich place in the hotel, I'll eat lunch there.

> Although in the past I've bought milk, bread and peanut butter, I usually
> don't want to be bothered with it. But that is probably not the way you
> would want to eat. So read what everyone writes and then make your own
> decisions.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:57 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> OK that is what you do for lunch?
> Are you saying breakfast as well?
> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

> Original message:
>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long
> way.

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast?
>> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,

>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>> open
>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
>>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --
>> is
>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>> considered
>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right
>> out
>>> of a healthy cow.

>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
>>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>>> crap.

>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
>>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
>>> most
>>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>>> consider
>>> food!) are just scary!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have  ever happened.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>>> with increased diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know

>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been
>>>> in our food!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover

>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>>> looking

>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>> to

>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case

>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>> are better off eating

>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>>> --
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 02:54:46 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:54:46 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: 0ccf84f8-b6a0-4ac6-87f2-a7aa35726439@samobile.net
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Left-over food? What's *that?* (grin)

I may make an inquiry re refrigerators at the main hotel; I don't recall
reading anything about them in the Monitor when room amenities were
described. I can live a long time on peanuts, cashoos, apples and cold
canned chili (Nalley's Jalape?o Hot)! Yee haw!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:38 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

I know what I can do, so wasn't worry for me, just wanted to know having
tips on what folks do.
I don't stay in hotels often, when we do we have eaten either around the
hotel area places we knew would be cheaper.
Or ate at the hotel.
I didn't know what you could do with just a fridge with no wave.
Then if you go to lunch with someone you sure don't want to have lots of
left over food.

Original message:
> Yeah ... why not? Heck; I've been known to scarf down pizza for breakfast!
> Yum!

> Actually, though, it sounds as if it's about time for my YMMV lecture 
> -- Your Mileage May Vary. Dar, I know you want hard-and-fast rules for 
> what diabetics should eat when and how much. You've received quite a 
> few suggestions but they should be taken as guidelines, not absolutes. 
> Each diabetic is different from every other diabetic -- even diabetics 
> of the same "type" are affected differently by different foods except 
> that for all of us, carbs raise blood sugar in most circumstances. For 
> instance, I can eat a giant peanut butter and mayo sandwich and the 
> effect is just about what I expect, predictable by the carb load. But 
> I know someone else whose bg readings would go through the roof with 
> such a sandwich. Again, many can drink milk without difficulty. But 
> unless I'm careful, milk can drive my readings far beyond what's
reasonable. Different strokes and all that.

> Given that caution, here's what I do. I have a jar or two of cashoos 
> for quick snacks or if I know I won't be able to eat a convention 
> meal. Since I'm on an intense insulin regimen, I only take a basal 
> insulin at night and give myself shots of rapid-acting at meals. I eat 
> two humongous meals -- breakfast and dinner -- and usually just eat at 
> the hotel. Yes, it's expensive but that's life in the fast lane. My 
> breakfasts are the sort that orthodox diabetes educators would have a 
> heart attack over -- lots of bacon, eggs, sausage and a *few* potatos 
> and some fruit (seldom juices as one gets too many carbs too quickly 
> that way). I often don't worry about lunch. If there's a good sandwich
place in the hotel, I'll eat lunch there.

> Although in the past I've bought milk, bread and peanut butter, I 
> usually don't want to be bothered with it. But that is probably not 
> the way you would want to eat. So read what everyone writes and then 
> make your own decisions.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:57 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> OK that is what you do for lunch?
> Are you saying breakfast as well?
> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.

> Original message:
>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a 
>> long
> way.

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of
> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
>> breakfast?
>> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought 
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,

>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>>> had to cut
>> open
>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis 
>>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and 
>>> still do --
>> is
>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>> considered
>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading 
>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk 
>>> right
>> out
>>> of a healthy cow.

>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>> it's quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in 
>>> any craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in 
>>> America, it makes you never want to eat anything processed with 
>>> additives and synthetic crap.

>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>> would like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or 
>>> laws regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a 
>>> Federal mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>> safest,

>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
>>>> why trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>> the problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, 
>>>> cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know

>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>> should never have been in our food!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover

>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>>> the

>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like

>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>>> In looking

>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>> enough to

>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>>> case

>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>> diabetics are better off eating

>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they

>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.

>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>> pregnancy, and

>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>>> to

>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>>> to go to the

>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>>>>>>> needs to

>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether 
>>>>>>> it be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>> whatever your

>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding

>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>> need to

>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this 
>>>>>>>> class of drug is

>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>>>> to fill

>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over 
>>>>>>>> tomorrow. I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self 
>>>>>>>> back again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is 
>>>>>>>> from acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now
game is over.

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From joystigile at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 03:32:00 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:32:00 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] convention food ideas
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Dear Gina,

Most big hotels have microwave ovens for your room..You need to let them 
know many months in advance and have a true need.

In the past I would bring a small electric tea pot to heat water to make 
oatmeal in my room

Joy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I know what I can do, so wasn't worry for me, just wanted to know having 
>tips on what folks do.
> I don't stay in hotels often, when we do we have eaten either around the 
> hotel area places we knew would be cheaper.
> Or ate at the hotel.
> I didn't know what you could do with just a fridge with no wave.
> Then if you go to lunch with someone you sure don't want to have lots of 
> left over food.
>
> Original message:
>> Yeah ... why not? Heck; I've been known to scarf down pizza for 
>> breakfast!
>> Yum!
>
>> Actually, though, it sounds as if it's about time for my YMMV lecture --
>> Your Mileage May Vary. Dar, I know you want hard-and-fast rules for what
>> diabetics should eat when and how much. You've received quite a few
>> suggestions but they should be taken as guidelines, not absolutes. Each
>> diabetic is different from every other diabetic -- even diabetics of the
>> same "type" are affected differently by different foods except that for 
>> all
>> of us, carbs raise blood sugar in most circumstances. For instance, I can
>> eat a giant peanut butter and mayo sandwich and the effect is just about
>> what I expect, predictable by the carb load. But I know someone else 
>> whose
>> bg readings would go through the roof with such a sandwich. Again, many 
>> can
>> drink milk without difficulty. But unless I'm careful, milk can drive my
>> readings far beyond what's reasonable. Different strokes and all that.
>
>> Given that caution, here's what I do. I have a jar or two of cashoos for
>> quick snacks or if I know I won't be able to eat a convention meal. Since
>> I'm on an intense insulin regimen, I only take a basal insulin at night 
>> and
>> give myself shots of rapid-acting at meals. I eat two humongous meals --
>> breakfast and dinner -- and usually just eat at the hotel. Yes, it's
>> expensive but that's life in the fast lane. My breakfasts are the sort 
>> that
>> orthodox diabetes educators would have a heart attack over -- lots of 
>> bacon,
>> eggs, sausage and a *few* potatos and some fruit (seldom juices as one 
>> gets
>> too many carbs too quickly that way). I often don't worry about lunch. If
>> there's a good sandwich place in the hotel, I'll eat lunch there.
>
>> Although in the past I've bought milk, bread and peanut butter, I usually
>> don't want to be bothered with it. But that is probably not the way you
>> would want to eat. So read what everyone writes and then make your own
>> decisions.
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:57 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> OK that is what you do for lunch?
>> Are you saying breakfast as well?
>> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.
>
>> Original message:
>>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long
>> way.
>
>>> Mike
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>> d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast?
>>> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
>>> just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,
>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>>> open
>>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis 
>>>> from
>>>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still 
>>>> do --
>>> is
>>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>>> considered
>>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk 
>>>> right
>>> out
>>>> of a healthy cow.
>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>>>> craze,
>>>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>>>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>>>> crap.
>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>>> restaurants
>>>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>>>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>>> safest,
>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
>>>> most
>>>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>>>> consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>>>> with increased diabetes,
>>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been
>>>>> in our food!
>
>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover
>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>>>>> looking
>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case
>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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From thegems at dslextreme.com  Tue Mar 26 03:49:53 2013
From: thegems at dslextreme.com (Grant E. Metcalf)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:49:53 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread
References: <mailman.18258.1364266507.31365.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <B665B3CDCB9B4285B41223E6CE6FBBFE@user2868093fd9>

    Mike,  I have tried that upside down trick in the past and it didn't 
work well for me. BTW, have you tasted Dave's 21 Grain Killer bread? covered 
with Adam's crunchy PNB and eaten with an orange makes a delicious diabetic 
breakfast. I will be enjoying some in 3 weeks when I visit my friend in 
Forest Grove just southwest of Portland. Such was recommended to him by his 
doctor and he got me started doing much the same several years ago. - Grant




From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 04:08:14 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:08:14 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread
In-Reply-To: <B665B3CDCB9B4285B41223E6CE6FBBFE@user2868093fd9>
References: <mailman.18258.1364266507.31365.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<B665B3CDCB9B4285B41223E6CE6FBBFE@user2868093fd9>
Message-ID: <014401ce29d7$8a2d86f0$9e8894d0$@panix.com>

Hi, Grant.

Naw; haven't tried that yet though I have heard of it. Hafta give it a go.

I think one always has to stir natural peanut butter. One of the joys of
living a natural life, I guess.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:50 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread

    Mike,  I have tried that upside down trick in the past and it didn't 
work well for me. BTW, have you tasted Dave's 21 Grain Killer bread? covered

with Adam's crunchy PNB and eaten with an orange makes a delicious diabetic 
breakfast. I will be enjoying some in 3 weeks when I visit my friend in 
Forest Grove just southwest of Portland. Such was recommended to him by his 
doctor and he got me started doing much the same several years ago. - Grant


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 06:09:11 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:09:11 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <80119D8067F1431486FD531BB074792A@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP457A8288D8D02C4B5A29604C4D00@phx.gbl>

You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
calories on actual food than a drink, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
chicken, 
ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
tiny 
electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
stores 
and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
local 
restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.

If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
canned 
goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
better 
idea.

If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
making 
your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
etc. 
from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
or a 
grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
not 
to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and

come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
like, 
but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
sugary 
drinks goes a long way in that direction!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought

> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat 
> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most 
> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
> smile.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to

> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola
>
>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
>> cut
>
>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
>> cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really
>
>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>> problem
>
>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In
>
>>>> looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat
>
>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough

>>>> to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no
>
>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give
>
>>>>> for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like
>
>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
>>>>> add
>
>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only
>
>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>>> and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the
>
>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>>> the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad
>
>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live
>
>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood
>
>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had
>
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until
>
>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>> felt
>
>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>> also
>
>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
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From jdashiel at shellworld.net  Tue Mar 26 06:38:33 2013
From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:38:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP457A8288D8D02C4B5A29604C4D00@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.01.1303260236220.60927@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>

I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's the 
problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to 
react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually the 
case.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
> canned 
> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
> better 
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
> making 
> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
> etc. 
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a 
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
> not 
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
> 
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
> like, 
> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
> sugary 
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
> > and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
> 
> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat 
> > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
> > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
> > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most 
> > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
> > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
> > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
> > smile.
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf Of d m gina
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> > Food food food,
> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
> > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
> > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
> 
> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
> >> "granola
> >
> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
> >> cut
> >
> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
> >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
> >> cow.
> >
> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
> >> us?
> >
> >> Mike
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> 
> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
> 
> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
> >> synthetic crap.
> >
> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> 
> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
> >> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
> >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
> >> do.
> >
> >> Bridgit
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> >> safest,
> >
> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
> >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> >> things we consider
> >> food!) are just scary!
> >
> >> Sandi
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
> 
> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
> >>> have  ever happened.
> >
> >>> Bridgit
> >
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
> >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
> >>> really
> >
> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
> >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
> >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
> >>> problem
> >
> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
> >>> on earth is fructose.  I
> >> know
> >
> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
> >>> should never have been in our food!
> >
> >>> Sandi
> >
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>> Sandi:
> >
> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
> >>>> withover
> >
> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
> >>>> the
> >
> >>>> consequences you cite below.
> >
> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
> >>>> like
> >
> >>>> to admit. (grin)
> >
> >>>> Mike
> >
> >
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
> >>>> In
> >
> >>>> looking
> >
> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
> >>>> fat
> >
> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
> 
> >>>> to
> >
> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
> >>>> no
> >
> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
> >
> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
> >>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
> >>>> case
> >
> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
> 
> >>>> are better off eating
> >
> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
> >>>> they
> >
> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
> >
> >>>> Sandi
> >
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
> 
> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
> >>>>> give
> >
> >>>>> for some refried beans
> >>> made
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
> >>>>> popular belief.
> >
> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
> >>>>> with the
> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
> >
> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
> >
> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
> >>>>> diabetic
> >
> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
> >
> >>>>> Mike
> >
> >
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
> >>>>> like
> >
> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
> >>>>> add
> >
> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> >>>>> ground turkey around here.
> >
> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
> >>>>> only
> >
> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
> >>>>> and
> >
> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
> >
> >>>>> Bridgit
> >
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
> >>>>> to
> >
> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
> >>>>> the
> >
> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> >>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
> >>>>> the
> >
> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
> >>>>> Glad
> >
> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
> >
> >>>>> Original message:
> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
> >>>>>> people
> >
> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
> 
> >>>>>> to
> >
> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
> >>>>>> start
> >
> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
> >>>>>> better
> >
> >>>>>> for you
> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> >>>>> fresh
> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
> >>>>>> etc.
> >
> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>> kind
> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
> >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
> >>>>>> allow
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
> >>>>>> live
> >
> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
> >>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
> >>>>>> your
> >
> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>> cut
> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
> >>>>>> weight
> >
> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
> >>>>>> healthy living in general.
> >
> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
> >>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
> >>>>>> dealing and
> >
> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
> >>>>>> finding
> >
> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
> >>>>>> I've
> >
> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
> 
> >>>>>> to
> >
> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
> >>>>>> struggle, grin.
> >
> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
> >>>>>> likely
> >
> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
> >>>>>> meals.
> >
> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
> >>>>>> blood
> >
> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
> >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
> >
> >>>>>> Bridgit
> >
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> 
> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
> >
> >>>>>> Original message:
> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
> 
> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
> >>>>>>> is
> >
> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
> 
> >>>>>>> fill
> >
> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
> >>>>>>> had
> >
> >>>>>>> the
> >
> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
> >
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> 
> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
> 
> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
> >>>>>>> until
> >
> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
> >>>>>>> felt
> >
> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
> >>>>>>> also
> >
> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
> >>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
> >
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --Dar
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> >>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
> >>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> >>>>>>> every saint has a past
> >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
> >
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> >
> >>>>>> --
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> >
> > --
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> > skype: dmgina23
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 07:10:03 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.01.1303260236220.60927@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP401ECC6D340E686188B9608C4D00@phx.gbl>

Hmmm... Very interesting. So are you saying glucose levels would be
affected because the body thinks it's getting sugar? I've heard diet
drinks can make you feel hungrier because of the sugar substitute used,
although I've never experienced this myself.

Ultimately, water is the best drink, but every now and then you want a
little flavor and not just what's in your mouth, grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:39 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's the

problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to 
react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually the

case.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for

> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and 
> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed 
> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
> big
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
> an even better
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English

> muffin, etc.
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a 
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
is
> not 
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
and
> 
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you

> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
> fries and sugary
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
> > and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
brought
> 
> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
> > lunchmeat
> > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
> > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others

> > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer.
Most 
> > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you

> > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs

> > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
> > smile.
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of d m gina
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> > Food food food,
> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
potatoes. 
> > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much

> > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
> > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
to
> 
> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
> >> "granola
> >
> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
> >> cut
> >
> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as

> >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
healthy 
> >> cow.
> >
> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
> >> us?
> >
> >> Mike
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
> >> it's
> 
> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
America,
> 
> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
> >> and
> >> synthetic crap.
> >
> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
> >> would
> 
> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
> >> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal

> >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
> >> do.
> >
> >> Bridgit
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
> >> safest,
> >
> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
> >> things
> >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> >> things we consider
> >> food!) are just scary!
> >
> >> Sandi
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
> >>> why
> 
> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
> >>> shouldn't
> >>> have  ever happened.
> >
> >>> Bridgit
> >
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat 
> >>> is
> >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
> >>> really
> >
> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
> >>> rather
> >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
> >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
> >>> problem
> >
> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
> >>> living
> >>> on earth is fructose.  I
> >> know
> >
> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
> >>> should never have been in our food!
> >
> >>> Sandi
> >
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>> Sandi:
> >
> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
> >>>> withover
> >
> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with

> >>>> the
> >
> >>>> consequences you cite below.
> >
> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
> >>>> like
> >
> >>>> to admit. (grin)
> >
> >>>> Mike
> >
> >
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
> >>>> In
> >
> >>>> looking
> >
> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
> >>>> fat
> >
> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
> >>>> enough
> 
> >>>> to
> >
> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
> >>>> no
> >
> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
fat.
> >
> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
> >>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the

> >>>> case
> >
> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
> >>>> diabetics
> 
> >>>> are better off eating
> >
> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
> >>>> they
> >
> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
> >
> >>>> Sandi
> >
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
> >>>>> an
> 
> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
> >>>>> give
> >
> >>>>> for some refried beans
> >>> made
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
> >>>>> popular belief.
> >
> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
> >>>>> say
> >>>>> with the
> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
> >
> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
> >
> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
> >>>>> diabetic
> >
> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
> >
> >>>>> Mike
> >
> >
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
> >>>>> like
> >
> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
> >>>>> add
> >
> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
> >>>>> use
> >>>>> ground turkey around here.
> >
> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
> >>>>> only
> >
> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
> >>>>> and
> >
> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
> >
> >>>>> Bridgit
> >
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
> >>>>> grain
> >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am
trying 
> >>>>> to
> >
> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
> >>>>> the
> >
> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
> >>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go
to 
> >>>>> the
> >
> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> >>>>> Glad
> >
> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
> >
> >>>>> Original message:
> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
> >>>>>> people
> >
> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
needs
> 
> >>>>>> to
> >
> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
> >>>>>> start
> >
> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
> >>>>>> better
> >
> >>>>>> for you
> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
> >>>>>> dairy,
> >>>>> fresh
> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
> >>>>>> etc.
> >
> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>> kind
> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is 
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
> >>>>>> allow
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
> >>>>>> live
> >
> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
> >>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
> >>>>>> your
> >
> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>> cut
> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
> >>>>>> weight
> >
> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just

> >>>>>> healthy living in general.
> >
> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
> >>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
from 
> >>>>>> dealing and
> >
> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
> >>>>>> finding
> >
> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
> >>>>>> I've
> >
> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
> >>>>>> need
> 
> >>>>>> to
> >
> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
> >>>>>> life-long
> >>>>>> struggle, grin.
> >
> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
> >>>>>> likely
> >
> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
> >>>>>> meals.
> >
> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
> >>>>>> blood
> >
> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
> >>>>>> exercise.
> >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
> >
> >>>>>> Bridgit
> >
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> >>>>>> On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >
> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
> >>>>>> well.
> 
> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
> >
> >>>>>> Original message:
> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
> >>>>>>> completely
> 
> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
> >>>>>>> drug
> >>>>>>> is
> >
> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
> >>>>>>> to
> 
> >>>>>>> fill
> >
> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
> >>>>>>> had
> >
> >>>>>>> the
> >
> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
> >
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> >>>>>>> On
> 
> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> >
> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
> >>>>>>> evening.
> 
> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
> >>>>>>> until
> >
> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
> >>>>>>> felt
> >
> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
> >>>>>>> also
> >
> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
> >>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
> >
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --Dar
> >>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
> >>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
> >>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> >>>>>>> every saint has a past
> >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
> >
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From jdashiel at shellworld.net  Tue Mar 26 08:37:39 2013
From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 04:37:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP401ECC6D340E686188B9608C4D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP401ECC6D340E686188B9608C4D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.01.1303260436250.64044@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>

That may be how it works, the exact mechanism is going to need to have 
diabetics drinking diet drinks hooked up to brain scans to find out for 
sure though.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

> Hmmm... Very interesting. So are you saying glucose levels would be
> affected because the body thinks it's getting sugar? I've heard diet
> drinks can make you feel hungrier because of the sugar substitute used,
> although I've never experienced this myself.
> 
> Ultimately, water is the best drink, but every now and then you want a
> little flavor and not just what's in your mouth, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jude DaShiell
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:39 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
> 
> 
> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's the
> 
> problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to 
> react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually the
> 
> case.
> 
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> 
> > You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
> > something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
> > rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
> > because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for
> 
> > diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and 
> > I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed 
> > it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
> > not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
> > rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> > 
> > Bridgit
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > 
> > 
> > Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
> > big
> > cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> > chicken, 
> > ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
> a
> > tiny 
> > electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> > stores 
> > and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> > local 
> > restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> > 
> > If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
> > canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
> > an even better
> > idea.
> > 
> > If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
> > making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English
> 
> > muffin, etc.
> > from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
> > expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> > or a 
> > grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
> is
> > not 
> > to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
> > 
> > come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
> 
> > like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
> > fries and sugary
> > drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> > 
> > Sandi
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > 
> > 
> > > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
> > > and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
> brought
> > 
> > > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
> > > lunchmeat
> > > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
> > > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
> 
> > > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer.
> Most 
> > > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
> 
> > > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
> 
> > > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
> > > smile.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > > Behalf Of d m gina
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> > > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > > Food food food,
> > > Asking a question on behalf of food.
> > > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> > > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
> > > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
> potatoes. 
> > > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> > > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
> 
> > > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
> > > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
> to
> > 
> > > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
> > >
> > > Original message:
> > >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
> > >> "granola
> > >
> > >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
> > >> cut
> > >
> > >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
> > >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> > >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> > >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
> 
> > >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
> > >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
> healthy 
> > >> cow.
> > >
> > >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
> > >> us?
> > >
> > >> Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> > >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> > >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
> > >> it's
> > 
> > >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
> > >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
> America,
> > 
> > >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
> > >> and
> > >> synthetic crap.
> > >
> > >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
> > >> would
> > 
> > >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
> > >> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
> 
> > >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> > >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> > >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
> > >> do.
> > >
> > >> Bridgit
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> > >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
> > >> safest,
> > >
> > >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
> > >> things
> > >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> > >> things we consider
> > >> food!) are just scary!
> > >
> > >> Sandi
> > >
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
> > >>> why
> > 
> > >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
> > >>> shouldn't
> > >>> have  ever happened.
> > >
> > >>> Bridgit
> > >
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> > >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat 
> > >>> is
> > >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
> > >>> really
> > >
> > >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
> > >>> rather
> > >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
> > >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
> > >>> problem
> > >
> > >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
> > >>> living
> > >>> on earth is fructose.  I
> > >> know
> > >
> > >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> > >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
> > >>> should never have been in our food!
> > >
> > >>> Sandi
> > >
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> > >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> Sandi:
> > >
> > >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
> > >>>> withover
> > >
> > >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> > >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
> 
> > >>>> the
> > >
> > >>>> consequences you cite below.
> > >
> > >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
> > >>>> like
> > >
> > >>>> to admit. (grin)
> > >
> > >>>> Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> > >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
> > >>>> In
> > >
> > >>>> looking
> > >
> > >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
> > >>>> fat
> > >
> > >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
> > >>>> enough
> > 
> > >>>> to
> > >
> > >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
> > >>>> no
> > >
> > >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
> > >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
> fat.
> > >
> > >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
> > >>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
> 
> > >>>> case
> > >
> > >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
> > >>>> diabetics
> > 
> > >>>> are better off eating
> > >
> > >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
> > >>>> they
> > >
> > >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
> > >
> > >>>> Sandi
> > >
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> > >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
> > >>>>> an
> > 
> > >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
> > >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
> > >>>>> give
> > >
> > >>>>> for some refried beans
> > >>> made
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
> > >>>>> popular belief.
> > >
> > >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
> > >>>>> say
> > >>>>> with the
> > >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
> > >
> > >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
> > >
> > >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
> > >>>>> diabetic
> > >
> > >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> > >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
> > >
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> > >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
> > >>>>> like
> > >
> > >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
> > >>>>> add
> > >
> > >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
> > >>>>> use
> > >>>>> ground turkey around here.
> > >
> > >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
> > >>>>> only
> > >
> > >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
> > >>>>> and
> > >
> > >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
> > >
> > >>>>> Bridgit
> > >
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> > >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
> > >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
> > >>>>> grain
> > >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am
> trying 
> > >>>>> to
> > >
> > >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
> > >>>>> the
> > >
> > >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
> > >>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go
> to 
> > >>>>> the
> > >
> > >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> > >>>>> Glad
> > >
> > >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
> > >
> > >>>>> Original message:
> > >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
> > >>>>>> people
> > >
> > >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
> > >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
> needs
> > 
> > >>>>>> to
> > >
> > >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
> > >>>>>> start
> > >
> > >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
> > >>>>>> better
> > >
> > >>>>>> for you
> > >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
> > >>>>>> dairy,
> > >>>>> fresh
> > >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
> > >>>>>> etc.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
> > >>>>>> any
> > >>>>> kind
> > >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is 
> > >>>>>> so
> > >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
> > >>>>>> allow
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
> > >>>>>> live
> > >
> > >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
> > >>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
> > >>>>>> your
> > >
> > >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
> > >>>>>> can
> > >>>>> cut
> > >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
> > >>>>>> weight
> > >
> > >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
> > >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
> > >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
> 
> > >>>>>> healthy living in general.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
> > >>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
> from 
> > >>>>>> dealing and
> > >
> > >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
> > >>>>>> finding
> > >
> > >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
> > >>>>>> I've
> > >
> > >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
> > >>>>>> need
> > 
> > >>>>>> to
> > >
> > >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
> > >>>>>> life-long
> > >>>>>> struggle, grin.
> > >
> > >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
> > >>>>>> likely
> > >
> > >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
> > >>>>>> meals.
> > >
> > >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
> > >>>>>> blood
> > >
> > >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
> > >>>>>> exercise.
> > >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Bridgit
> > >
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > >>>>>> On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> > >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
> > >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
> > >>>>>> well.
> > 
> > >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Original message:
> > >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
> > >>>>>>> completely
> > 
> > >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
> > >>>>>>> drug
> > >>>>>>> is
> > >
> > >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
> > >>>>>>> to
> > 
> > >>>>>>> fill
> > >
> > >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
> > >>>>>>> had
> > >
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >
> > >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
> > >
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > >>>>>>> On
> > 
> > >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
> > >>>>>>> evening.
> > 
> > >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
> > >>>>>>> until
> > >
> > >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
> > >>>>>>> felt
> > >
> > >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
> > >>>>>>> also
> > >
> > >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
> > >>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
> > >
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> --Dar
> > >>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
> > >>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
> > >>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > >>>>>>> every saint has a past
> > >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
> > >
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
> > >>>>>>> info
> > >
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
> > >
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/rshelto
> > >>> n1
> > >>> %
> > >>>>>>> 4
> > >>>>>>> 0gmail
> > >>>>>>> .com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
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> > >
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
> > >
> > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgi
> > >>>>>> na
> > >>>>>> %
> > >>>>>> 4
> > >>>>>> 0
> > >>>>>> sa
> > >>>>>> mo
> > >>>>>> bile.net
> > >
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> --Dar
> > >>>>>> skype: dmgina23
> > >>>>>>   FB: dmgina
> > >>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > >>>>>> every saint has a past
> > >>>>>> every sinner has a future
> > >
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > >>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
> > >
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpe
> > >>> te
> > >>> r
> > >>> %
> > >>>>>> 40
> > >>>>>> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgin
> > >>>>> a%
> > >>>>> 4
> > >>>>> 0
> > >>>>> s
> > >>>>> amo
> > >>>>> bile.net
> > >
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> --Dar
> > >>>>> skype: dmgina23
> > >>>>>  FB: dmgina
> > >>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > >>>>> every saint has a past
> > >>>>> every sinner has a future
> > >
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>> for
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> > >
> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpet
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> > >>>>> %40
> > >>>>> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%
> > >>>> 40
> > >>>> p
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> n
> > >>>> ix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan
> > >>>> 2%
> > >>>> 4
> > >>>> 0
> > >>>> g
> > >>>> mail.c
> > >>>> om
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>> for
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> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40p
> > > a
> > >>>> n
> > >>>> ix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>> for
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> > >
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan2
> > >>> %4
> > >>> 0
> > >>> g
> > >>> ma
> > >>> il.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >> 40
> > >> g
> > >> ma
> > >> il.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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> > >>
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> > >> %
> > >> 40
> > >> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> Diabetes-talk: 
> > >>
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> > >> n
> > >> ix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> Diabetes-talk:
> > >>
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40
> > > sa
> > > mo
> > > bile.net
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Dar
> > > skype: dmgina23
> > >  FB: dmgina
> > > www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > > every saint has a past
> > > every sinner has a future
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
> > > Diabetes-talk: 
> > >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter%
> > > 40
> > > hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
> > > Diabetes-talk:
> > >
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> > ma
> > il.com
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 
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> > shellworld.net
> > 
> > 
> 
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From deniserob at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 10:32:43 2013
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Denise Robinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:32:43 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP457A8288D8D02C4B5A29604C4D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP457A8288D8D02C4B5A29604C4D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9B51B1B2-991B-4884-8CEC-9064D12472C9@gmail.com>

Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.  The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know this....

Denise M Robinson
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
> canned 
> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
> better 
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
> making 
> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
> etc. 
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a 
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
> not 
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
> 
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
> like, 
> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
> sugary 
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
> 
>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat 
>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most 
>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
>> smile.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
> 
>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>> "granola
>> 
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
>>> cut
>> 
>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
>>> cow.
>> 
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>>> us?
>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> 
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
> 
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>>> synthetic crap.
>> 
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> 
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>>> do.
>> 
>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>> safest,
>> 
>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>> 
>>> Sandi
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
> 
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>>> have  ever happened.
>> 
>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really
>> 
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>>> problem
>> 
>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know
>> 
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>> should never have been in our food!
>> 
>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>> Sandi:
>> 
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover
>> 
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>> 
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like
>> 
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>> 
>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>>> In
>> 
>>>>> looking
>> 
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat
>> 
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
> 
>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>>> no
>> 
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>> 
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>>> case
>> 
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
> 
>>>>> are better off eating
>> 
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they
>> 
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> 
>>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
> 
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>> give
>> 
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>> popular belief.
>> 
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> 
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> 
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic
>> 
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like
>> 
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
>>>>>> add
>> 
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>> 
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only
>> 
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>>>> and
>> 
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> 
>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>>> Glad
>> 
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>> 
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
> 
>>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>>> start
>> 
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>>> better
>> 
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc.
>> 
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live
>> 
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>>> your
>> 
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight
>> 
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>> 
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>>> dealing and
>> 
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding
>> 
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>>> I've
>> 
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
> 
>>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> 
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely
>> 
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>>> meals.
>> 
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood
>> 
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> 
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> 
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> 
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
> 
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>>> is
>> 
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
> 
>>>>>>>> fill
>> 
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had
>> 
>>>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> 
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
> 
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>> until
>> 
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>>> felt
>> 
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>>> also
>> 
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 15:16:27 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:16:27 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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bridgit: 
I agree with you completely. Believe it or not, though, some people just have to have their sugar fix! Although I occasionally drink diet sodas because my wife likes them, I never buy them for myself. I would just as soon drink ice tea. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2013, at 23:09, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
> canned 
> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
> better 
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
> making 
> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,



From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 15:24:16 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:24:16 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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I shouldn't think there would be enough formaldehyde in the body resulting from drinking sodas to cause the effects alleged. Most of the research was done on rodents and, frankly, they aren't as good models for human interaction as people would like you to believe. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:32, Denise Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:

> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.  The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know this....
> 
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken, 
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>> tiny 
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores 
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local 
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>> 
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned 



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Tue Mar 26 15:33:24 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:33:24 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
Message-ID: 8a66100e-5d16-473b-9fe7-ccbdfdcaa94f@samobile.net

I also wonder how much of the anti artificial sweetener info, has been 
put out there, by the very powerful sugar lobbyist.
Linda.



From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 16:45:59 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary 
drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these days.) 
For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they want, and 
drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged and do your blood 
sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of orange juice or eating a 
plate of fries served with a sandwich because "this doesn't happen very 
often."  As diabetics, we all make choices--I certainly drink diet drinks 
when I indulge (though they have issues, too, actually)--but some people may 
fit sugary drinks into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd 
rather have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for our 
room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're 
visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the 
coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of 
sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty of 
water to drink.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken,
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
> tiny
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
> canned
> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
> better
> idea.
>
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
> making
> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
> etc.
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
> not
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
> like,
> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
> sugary
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>
>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>> smile.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
>
>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>> "granola
>>
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>> cut
>>
>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>> cow.
>>
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>> us?
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>> synthetic crap.
>>
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>> do.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> safest,
>>
>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have  ever happened.
>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>> really
>>
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>> problem
>>
>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know
>>
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover
>>
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like
>>
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>> In
>>
>>>>> looking
>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>> fat
>>
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>> no
>>
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case
>>
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>
>>>>> are better off eating
>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they
>>
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>> give
>>
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.
>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>> like
>>
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>> add
>>
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>> only
>>
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad
>>
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>
>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start
>>
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better
>>
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>> live
>>
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>> your
>>
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and
>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding
>>
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>
>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.
>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>> blood
>>
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>> is
>>
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>
>>>>>>>> fill
>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>> had
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>> until
>>
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>> felt
>>
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 16:49:00 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:49:00 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.01.1303260236220.60927@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>
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Message-ID: <0A75D9C2F5F54BE686F5A889F20C236B@SandiPC>

The problem with diet drinks is that your body prepares, when something 
sweet comes along, by cranking out insulin.  In the case of diet pop, the 
sugar doesn't come, and the insulin, in Type 2's, is set circulating in the 
blood with nothing to use it up.  The cells don't need it to help them work 
through glucose (since none came in), and this process, repeated again and 
again leads to insulin resistance--the basis of much of Type 2 diabetes.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's the
> problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to
> react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually the
> case.
>
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned
>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>> better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making
>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>> etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>> like,
>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>> sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>> > and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>>
>> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>> > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>> > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>> > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>> > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>> > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>> > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>> > smile.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf Of d m gina
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> > Food food food,
>> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>> > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>> > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
>>
>> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>> >> "granola
>> >
>> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>> >> cut
>> >
>> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>> >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>> >> cow.
>> >
>> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>> >> us?
>> >
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>
>> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>
>> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>> >> synthetic crap.
>> >
>> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>
>> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> >> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>> >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>> >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>> >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>> >> do.
>> >
>> >> Bridgit
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>> >> safest,
>> >
>> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>> >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>> >> things we consider
>> >> food!) are just scary!
>> >
>> >> Sandi
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>
>> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>> >>> have  ever happened.
>> >
>> >>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>> >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>> >>> really
>> >
>> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>> >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>> >>> problem
>> >
>> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>> >>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> >> know
>> >
>> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> >>> should never have been in our food!
>> >
>> >>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi:
>> >
>> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> >>>> withover
>> >
>> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>> >>>> the
>> >
>> >>>> consequences you cite below.
>> >
>> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>> >>>> like
>> >
>> >>>> to admit. (grin)
>> >
>> >>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>> >>>> In
>> >
>> >>>> looking
>> >
>> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>> >>>> fat
>> >
>> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>
>> >>>> to
>> >
>> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>> >>>> no
>> >
>> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>> >
>> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> >>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>> >>>> case
>> >
>> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>
>> >>>> are better off eating
>> >
>> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>> >>>> they
>> >
>> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>
>> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>> >>>>> give
>> >
>> >>>>> for some refried beans
>> >>> made
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>> >>>>> popular belief.
>> >
>> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>> >>>>> with the
>> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> >
>> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> >
>> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>> >>>>> diabetic
>> >
>> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> >
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>> >>>>> like
>> >
>> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>> >>>>> add
>> >
>> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>> >>>>> ground turkey around here.
>> >
>> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>> >>>>> only
>> >
>> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>> >>>>> and
>> >
>> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>> >>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> >>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> >>>>> Glad
>> >
>> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> >
>> >>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>> >>>>>> people
>> >
>> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>> >>>>>> start
>> >
>> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>> >>>>>> better
>> >
>> >>>>>> for you
>> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> >>>>> fresh
>> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>> >>>>>> etc.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>> >>>>>> any
>> >>>>> kind
>> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>> >>>>>> allow
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>> >>>>>> live
>> >
>> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> >>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>> >>>>>> your
>> >
>> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>> >>>>>> can
>> >>>>> cut
>> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>> >>>>>> weight
>> >
>> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>> >>>>>> healthy living in general.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>> >>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>> >>>>>> dealing and
>> >
>> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>> >>>>>> finding
>> >
>> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>> >>>>>> I've
>> >
>> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> >>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>> >>>>>> likely
>> >
>> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>> >>>>>> meals.
>> >
>> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>> >>>>>> blood
>> >
>> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>> >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>
>> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>
>> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >
>> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>
>> >>>>>>> fill
>> >
>> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>
>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>> >>>>>>> until
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>> >>>>>>> felt
>> >
>> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>> >>>>>>> also
>> >
>> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>> >>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> --Dar
>> >>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>> >>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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>> >>>>>>> every saint has a past
>> >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>> >
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 16:50:55 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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Yes.  The increased hunger from diet drinks can be an issue with some 
people, but you just have to note that for yourself.  I find that some diet 
soda, strategically drunk on a day when I feel hungry for sweets, satisfies 
that hunger.  And if you're Type 1, you wouldn't have the insulin resistance 
issue.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> Hmmm... Very interesting. So are you saying glucose levels would be
> affected because the body thinks it's getting sugar? I've heard diet
> drinks can make you feel hungrier because of the sugar substitute used,
> although I've never experienced this myself.
>
> Ultimately, water is the best drink, but every now and then you want a
> little flavor and not just what's in your mouth, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jude DaShiell
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:39 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's the
>
> problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to
> react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually the
>
> case.
>
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for
>
>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and
>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed
>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd
>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>> big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
> a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>> an even better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English
>
>> muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
> is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>
>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>> fries and sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>> > and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
> brought
>>
>> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>> > lunchmeat
>> > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>> > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>
>> > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer.
> Most
>> > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>
>> > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>
>> > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>> > smile.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf Of d m gina
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> > Food food food,
>> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
> potatoes.
>> > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>
>> > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>> > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
> to
>>
>> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>> >> "granola
>> >
>> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>> >> cut
>> >
>> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>
>> >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
> healthy
>> >> cow.
>> >
>> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>> >> us?
>> >
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>> >> it's
>>
>> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
> America,
>>
>> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>> >> and
>> >> synthetic crap.
>> >
>> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>> >> would
>>
>> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> >> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>
>> >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>> >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>> >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>> >> do.
>> >
>> >> Bridgit
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>> >> safest,
>> >
>> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
>> >> things
>> >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>> >> things we consider
>> >> food!) are just scary!
>> >
>> >> Sandi
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>> >>> why
>>
>> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>> >>> shouldn't
>> >>> have  ever happened.
>> >
>> >>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat
>> >>> is
>> >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>> >>> really
>> >
>> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>> >>> rather
>> >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>> >>> problem
>> >
>> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>> >>> living
>> >>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> >> know
>> >
>> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> >>> should never have been in our food!
>> >
>> >>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi:
>> >
>> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> >>>> withover
>> >
>> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>
>> >>>> the
>> >
>> >>>> consequences you cite below.
>> >
>> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>> >>>> like
>> >
>> >>>> to admit. (grin)
>> >
>> >>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>> >>>> In
>> >
>> >>>> looking
>> >
>> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>> >>>> fat
>> >
>> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>> >>>> enough
>>
>> >>>> to
>> >
>> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>> >>>> no
>> >
>> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
> fat.
>> >
>> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> >>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>
>> >>>> case
>> >
>> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>> >>>> diabetics
>>
>> >>>> are better off eating
>> >
>> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>> >>>> they
>> >
>> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>> >>>>> an
>>
>> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>> >>>>> give
>> >
>> >>>>> for some refried beans
>> >>> made
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>> >>>>> popular belief.
>> >
>> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>> >>>>> say
>> >>>>> with the
>> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> >
>> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> >
>> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>> >>>>> diabetic
>> >
>> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> >
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>> >>>>> like
>> >
>> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>> >>>>> add
>> >
>> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>> >>>>> use
>> >>>>> ground turkey around here.
>> >
>> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>> >>>>> only
>> >
>> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>> >>>>> and
>> >
>> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>> >>>>> grain
>> >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am
> trying
>> >>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> >>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go
> to
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> >>>>> Glad
>> >
>> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> >
>> >>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>> >>>>>> people
>> >
>> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
> needs
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>> >>>>>> start
>> >
>> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>> >>>>>> better
>> >
>> >>>>>> for you
>> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>> >>>>>> dairy,
>> >>>>> fresh
>> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>> >>>>>> etc.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>> >>>>>> any
>> >>>>> kind
>> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
>> >>>>>> so
>> >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>> >>>>>> allow
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>> >>>>>> live
>> >
>> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> >>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>> >>>>>> your
>> >
>> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>> >>>>>> can
>> >>>>> cut
>> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>> >>>>>> weight
>> >
>> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>
>> >>>>>> healthy living in general.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>> >>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
> from
>> >>>>>> dealing and
>> >
>> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>> >>>>>> finding
>> >
>> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>> >>>>>> I've
>> >
>> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>> >>>>>> need
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>> >>>>>> life-long
>> >>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>> >>>>>> likely
>> >
>> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>> >>>>>> meals.
>> >
>> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>> >>>>>> blood
>> >
>> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>> >>>>>> exercise.
>> >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>> On
>> >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>> >>>>>> well.
>>
>> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>> >>>>>>> completely
>>
>> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>> >>>>>>> drug
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >
>> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>> >>>>>>> to
>>
>> >>>>>>> fill
>> >
>> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>>> On
>>
>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>> >>>>>>> evening.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>> >>>>>>> until
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>> >>>>>>> felt
>> >
>> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>> >>>>>>> also
>> >
>> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>> >>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> --
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 16:54:42 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:54:42 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <9B51B1B2-991B-4884-8CEC-9064D12472C9@gmail.com>
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I have heard this about Aspartame (Equal) for years, but have not seen 
scientific evidence of it.  As for other sweeteners, because they are 
composed of completely different chemicals, I fail to see how this would 
happen.  And incidentally, I know of lots of research that says that 
Aspartame is okay, too.

The sweetener in most diet sodas now is Sucralose (Splenda).  For good or 
ill, it is made from sucrose, or table sugar.  And as Bridgit says, 
"Moderation in all things!"

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denise Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed. 
> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually 
> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to do 
> digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know this....
>
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned
>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>> better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making
>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>> etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>> like,
>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>> sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>>
>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>>> smile.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
>>
>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>> "granola
>>>
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>>> cut
>>>
>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>> cow.
>>>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>> us?
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>>
>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>> synthetic crap.
>>>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>>> do.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>> safest,
>>>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>> things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>> have  ever happened.
>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>>> really
>>>
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>>> problem
>>>
>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>>>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover
>>>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>>> In
>>>
>>>>>> looking
>>>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>>> fat
>>>
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>
>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>>> no
>>>
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case
>>>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>>
>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>> they
>>>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>> give
>>>
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>>> add
>>>
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>> only
>>>
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>> Glad
>>>
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>> start
>>>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better
>>>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>> live
>>>
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>> your
>>>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight
>>>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>> finding
>>>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>> blood
>>>
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>
>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> sa
>>>>>>>> mo
>>>>>>>> bile.net
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>>> --
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 17:35:17 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:35:17 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <83D8E4664605441EBA801041E6747BC3@SandiPC>
References: <BLU0-SMTP457A8288D8D02C4B5A29604C4D00@phx.gbl>
	<83D8E4664605441EBA801041E6747BC3@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <C531D3F0-6129-4506-BBA6-C818FC4B9954@panix.com>

Bottled water is often no better and no worse than tap water throughout the U.S. Also, unless you specifically buy distilled water, minerals etc. Are not eliminated by using bottled water. 
I just drink from the tap and don't worry about it. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:45, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these days.) For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they want, and drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged and do your blood sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of orange juice or eating a plate of fries served with a sandwich because "this doesn't happen very often."  As diabetics, we all make choices--I certainly drink diet drinks when I indulge (though they have issues, too, actually)--but some people may fit sugary drinks into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd rather have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for our room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty of water to drink.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
> 
> 
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 18:12:54 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:12:54 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.01.1303260436250.64044@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP264B4E0F8C558F854135040C4D00@phx.gbl>

Huh, don't think Ive ever noticed higher sugars when drinking diet
drinks, but will keep eye out now.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:38 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


That may be how it works, the exact mechanism is going to need to have 
diabetics drinking diet drinks hooked up to brain scans to find out for 
sure though.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

> Hmmm... Very interesting. So are you saying glucose levels would be 
> affected because the body thinks it's getting sugar? I've heard diet 
> drinks can make you feel hungrier because of the sugar substitute 
> used, although I've never experienced this myself.
> 
> Ultimately, water is the best drink, but every now and then you want a

> little flavor and not just what's in your mouth, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:39 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
> 
> 
> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's 
> the
> 
> problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to
> react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually
the
> 
> case.
> 
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> 
> > You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
> > something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is

> > rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
> > because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
for
> 
> > diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, 
> > and
> > I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
assumed 
> > it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
> > not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
> > rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> > 
> > Bridgit
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > 
> > 
> > Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
> > big
> > cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> > chicken, 
> > ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker
and
> a
> > tiny
> > electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> > stores 
> > and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> > local 
> > restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> > 
> > If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and 
> > any
> > canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is

> > an even better
> > idea.
> > 
> > If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle 
> > of
> > making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an
English
> 
> > muffin, etc.
> > from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
> > expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for
lunch,
> > or a 
> > grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for
me
> is
> > not
> > to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
> > 
> > come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what 
> > you
> 
> > like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
> > fries and sugary
> > drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> > 
> > Sandi
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > 
> > 
> > > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack 
> > > food, and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. 
> > > We
> brought
> > 
> > > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
> > > lunchmeat
> > > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices.
Some 
> > > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while
others
> 
> > > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer.
> Most
> > > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if 
> > > you
> 
> > > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it 
> > > needs
> 
> > > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as 
> > > well,
> > > smile.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > > Behalf Of d m gina
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
> > > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > > Food food food,
> > > Asking a question on behalf of food.
> > > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> > > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he 
> > > does threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
> potatoes.
> > > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial 
> > > for
> > > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How
much
> 
> > > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
> > > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can
go
> to
> > 
> > > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
> > >
> > > Original message:
> > >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
> > >> "granola
> > >
> > >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had 
> > >> to cut
> > >
> > >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> > >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green

> > >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> > >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late 
> > >> as
> 
> > >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
> > >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
> healthy
> > >> cow.
> > >
> > >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin 
> > >> for us?
> > >
> > >> Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> > >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> > >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
> > >> it's
> > 
> > >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any

> > >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
> America,
> > 
> > >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
> > >> and
> > >> synthetic crap.
> > >
> > >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
> > >> would
> > 
> > >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or 
> > >> laws regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a 
> > >> Federal
> 
> > >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
> > >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or
other 
> > >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very
few 
> > >> do.
> > >
> > >> Bridgit
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> > >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> > >> safest,
> > >
> > >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
> > >> things
> > >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but

> > >> things we consider
> > >> food!) are just scary!
> > >
> > >> Sandi
> > >
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
> > >>> why
> > 
> > >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
> > >>> shouldn't
> > >>> have  ever happened.
> > >
> > >>> Bridgit
> > >
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

> > >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> > >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat
> > >>> is
> > >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
> > >>> really
> > >
> > >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
> > >>> rather
> > >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
around 
> > >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
> > >>> problem
> > >
> > >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
> > >>> living
> > >>> on earth is fructose.  I
> > >> know
> > >
> > >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
> > >>> and healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, 
> > >>> which should never have been in our food!
> > >
> > >>> Sandi
> > >
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> > >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> Sandi:
> > >
> > >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
> > >>>> withover
> > >
> > >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
> > >>>> between saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy 
> > >>>> target with
> 
> > >>>> the
> > >
> > >>>> consequences you cite below.
> > >
> > >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists 
> > >>>> would like
> > >
> > >>>> to admit. (grin)
> > >
> > >>>> Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > >>>> On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> > >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same 
> > >>>> thing! In
> > >
> > >>>> looking
> > >
> > >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while 
> > >>>> the fat
> > >
> > >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
> > >>>> enough
> > 
> > >>>> to
> > >
> > >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  
> > >>>> We're no
> > >
> > >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
> > >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
> fat.
> > >
> > >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without 
> > >>>> limit! Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size 
> > >>>> and--in the
> 
> > >>>> case
> > >
> > >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
> > >>>> diabetics
> > 
> > >>>> are better off eating
> > >
> > >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," 
> > >>>> because they
> > >
> > >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
> > >
> > >>>> Sandi
> > >
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> > >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? 
> > >>>>> There's
> > >>>>> an
> > 
> > >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
> > >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd

> > >>>>> give
> > >
> > >>>>> for some refried beans
> > >>> made
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
> > >>>>> popular belief.
> > >
> > >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
> > >>>>> say
> > >>>>> with the
> > >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
> > >
> > >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
> > >
> > >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
> > >>>>> diabetic
> > >
> > >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me 
> > >>>>> to represent all of you! :-)
> > >
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > >>>>> On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> > >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different

> > >>>>> like
> > >
> > >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
> > >>>>> you add
> > >
> > >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
> > >>>>> use
> > >>>>> ground turkey around here.
> > >
> > >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I

> > >>>>> only
> > >
> > >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
> > >>>>> pregnancy, and
> > >
> > >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
> > >
> > >>>>> Bridgit
> > >
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > >>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> > >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
> > >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
> > >>>>> grain
> > >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am
> trying
> > >>>>> to
> > >
> > >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I 
> > >>>>> am the
> > >
> > >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
> > >>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want 
> > >>>>> him to go
> to
> > >>>>> the
> > >
> > >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.

> > >>>>> Glad
> > >
> > >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
> > >
> > >>>>> Original message:
> > >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I 
> > >>>>>> told people
> > >
> > >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a

> > >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
> needs
> > 
> > >>>>>> to
> > >
> > >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,

> > >>>>>> start
> > >
> > >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are

> > >>>>>> better
> > >
> > >>>>>> for you
> > >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
> > >>>>>> dairy,
> > >>>>> fresh
> > >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and 
> > >>>>>> lima, etc.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity 
> > >>>>>> of any
> > >>>>> kind
> > >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
> > >>>>>> so
> > >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do

> > >>>>>> allow
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't

> > >>>>>> live
> > >
> > >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it 
> > >>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
> > >>>>>> whatever your
> > >
> > >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
> > >>>>>> you can
> > >>>>> cut
> > >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain

> > >>>>>> weight
> > >
> > >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old

> > >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
> > >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and 
> > >>>>>> just
> 
> > >>>>>> healthy living in general.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise 
> > >>>>>> with Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day 
> > >>>>>> just
> from
> > >>>>>> dealing and
> > >
> > >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
> > >>>>>> finding
> > >
> > >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
> > >>>>>> Somehow, I've
> > >
> > >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
> > >>>>>> need
> > 
> > >>>>>> to
> > >
> > >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
> > >>>>>> life-long
> > >>>>>> struggle, grin.
> > >
> > >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm

> > >>>>>> likely
> > >
> > >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
> > >>>>>> after meals.
> > >
> > >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
> > >>>>>> blood
> > >
> > >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
> > >>>>>> exercise.
> > >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Bridgit
> > >
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > >>>>>> On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
> > >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
> > >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
> > >>>>>> well.
> > 
> > >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
> > >
> > >>>>>> Original message:
> > >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
> > >>>>>>> completely
> > 
> > >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
> > >>>>>>> drug
> > >>>>>>> is
> > >
> > >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your 
> > >>>>>>> stomach
> > >>>>>>> to
> > 
> > >>>>>>> fill
> > >
> > >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  
> > >>>>>>> We've had
> > >
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >
> > >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
> > >
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk 
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > >>>>>>> On
> > 
> > >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> > >
> > >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
> > >>>>>>> evening.
> > 
> > >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
> > >>>>>>> until
> > >
> > >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I

> > >>>>>>> felt
> > >
> > >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I

> > >>>>>>> also
> > >
> > >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad 
> > >>>>>>> for those who can take it. I played the game now game is 
> > >>>>>>> over.
> > >
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> --Dar
> > >>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
> > >>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
> > >>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > >>>>>>> every saint has a past
> > >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
> > >
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
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> > >
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
> > >
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/rshel
> > >>> to
> > >>> n1
> > >>> %
> > >>>>>>> 4
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> > >>>>>>> .com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
> > >
> > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dm
> > >>>>>> gi
> > >>>>>> na
> > >>>>>> %
> > >>>>>> 4
> > >>>>>> 0
> > >>>>>> sa
> > >>>>>> mo
> > >>>>>> bile.net
> > >
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> --Dar
> > >>>>>> skype: dmgina23
> > >>>>>>   FB: dmgina
> > >>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > >>>>>> every saint has a past
> > >>>>>> every sinner has a future
> > >
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpoll
> > >>> pe
> > >>> te
> > >>> r
> > >>> %
> > >>>>>> 40
> > >>>>>> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> a%
> > >>>>> 4
> > >>>>> 0
> > >>>>> s
> > >>>>> amo
> > >>>>> bile.net
> > >
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> --Dar
> > >>>>> skype: dmgina23
> > >>>>>  FB: dmgina
> > >>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > >>>>> every saint has a past
> > >>>>> every sinner has a future
> > >
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> > >> er
> > >>>>> %40
> > >>>>> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >>>> 40
> > >>>> p
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> n
> > >>>> ix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>> an
> > >>>> 2%
> > >>>> 4
> > >>>> 0
> > >>>> g
> > >>>> mail.c
> > >>>> om
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > > 0p
> > > a
> > >>>> n
> > >>>> ix.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjrya
> > >>> n2
> > >>> %4
> > >>> 0
> > >>> g
> > >>> ma
> > >>> il.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
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> > >> 2%
> > >> 40
> > >> g
> > >> ma
> > >> il.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> Diabetes-talk:
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> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%
> > > 40
> > > sa
> > > mo
> > > bile.net
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Dar
> > > skype: dmgina23
> > >  FB: dmgina
> > > www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > > every saint has a past
> > > every sinner has a future
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 18:16:25 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:16:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet
drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.

My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously a
problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several 12
packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They both also
complain about not losing weight, and while many factors contribute to
this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Denise Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.
The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually
contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to
do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know this....

Denise M Robinson
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for

> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and 
> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed 
> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
> big
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
> an even better
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English

> muffin, etc.
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a 
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
is
> not 
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
and
> 
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you

> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
> fries and sugary
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
brought
> 
>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most

>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
>> smile.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.

>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
to
> 
>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>> "granola
>> 
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>> cut
>> 
>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy

>>> cow.
>> 
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>> us?
>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>> it's
> 
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
America,
> 
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>> synthetic crap.
>> 
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>> would
> 
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>>> do.
>> 
>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> safest,
>> 
>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>> 
>>> Sandi
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
>>>> why
> 
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have  ever happened.
>> 
>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really
>> 
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>>> problem
>> 
>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know
>> 
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>> should never have been in our food!
>> 
>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>> Sandi:
>> 
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover
>> 
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>> 
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like
>> 
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>> 
>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>> In
>> 
>>>>> looking
>> 
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>> fat
>> 
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>> enough
> 
>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>> no
>> 
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>> 
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>>> case
>> 
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>> diabetics
> 
>>>>> are better off eating
>> 
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they
>> 
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> 
>>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an
> 
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>> give
>> 
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.
>> 
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> 
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> 
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic
>> 
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>> like
>> 
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>> add
>> 
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>> 
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>> only
>> 
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>> and
>> 
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> 
>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying

>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to

>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad
>> 
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people
>> 
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
needs
> 
>>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start
>> 
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better
>> 
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.
>> 
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>> live
>> 
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>>> your
>> 
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight
>> 
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>> 
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from

>>>>>>> dealing and
>> 
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding
>> 
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've
>> 
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>> need
> 
>>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> 
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely
>> 
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.
>> 
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>> blood
>> 
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> 
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>> well.
> 
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> 
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely
> 
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>> is
>> 
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>>>> to
> 
>>>>>>>> fill
>> 
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>> had
>> 
>>>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
> 
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>> evening.
> 
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>> until
>> 
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>> felt
>> 
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>> also
>> 
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 18:18:22 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:18:22 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <D191AA55-2488-428F-847F-53FB2C0EE497@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3192B02B6EED672C52550A7C4D00@phx.gbl>

I love ice tea, grin. Especially on a hot summer day.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:16 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


bridgit: 
I agree with you completely. Believe it or not, though, some people just
have to have their sugar fix! Although I occasionally drink diet sodas
because my wife likes them, I never buy them for myself. I would just as
soon drink ice tea. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2013, at 23:09, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for

> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and 
> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed 
> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
> big
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
> an even better
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English

> muffin,

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 18:22:54 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:22:54 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <83D8E4664605441EBA801041E6747BC3@SandiPC>
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Corn syrup seems to be in everything. When buying stuff for Baby, I
check it doesn't have corn syrup. I typically make home-made baby food,
but supplement with store-bought but don't like the stuff with corn
syrup. I always buy 100% fruit juice so it has less stuff than other
juice drinks, and we rarely buy soda except for diet ginger ale. Every
now and then my hubby craves a regular Mt. Dew, but I can usually get
him to get a diet one. I prefer either diet Sprite or diet Dr. Pepper
when drinking soda. Another reason I don't do soda much is because of
the caffeine. I usually do caffeine-free soda and teas when buying this
stuff.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:46 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary 
drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these
days.) 
For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they want, and 
drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged and do your
blood 
sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of orange juice or eating
a 
plate of fries served with a sandwich because "this doesn't happen very 
often."  As diabetics, we all make choices--I certainly drink diet
drinks 
when I indulge (though they have issues, too, actually)--but some people
may 
fit sugary drinks into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods
I'd 
rather have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for
our 
room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're 
visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the 
coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of 
sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty of

water to drink.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for

> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and 
> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed 
> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of 
> chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup 
> coffeemaker and a tiny
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
> an even better
> idea.
>
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English

> muffin, etc.
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
is
> not
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
and
>
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you

> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
> fries and sugary
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We 
>> brought
>
>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat

>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most

>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
>> smile.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.

>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go 
>> to
>
>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>> "granola
>>
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
>>> cut
>>
>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy

>>> cow.
>>
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>>> us?
>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>> it's
>
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in 
>>> America,
>
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and

>>> synthetic crap.
>>
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>> would
>
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>>> do.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>> safest,
>>
>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things

>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>>
>>> Sandi
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
>>>> why
>
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't

>>>> have  ever happened.
>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is

>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really
>>
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather

>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>>> problem
>>
>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living

>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know
>>
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover
>>
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like
>>
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing! 
>>>>> In
>>
>>>>> looking
>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat
>>
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>> enough
>
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>>> no
>>
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>>> case
>>
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>> diabetics
>
>>>>> are better off eating
>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they
>>
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an
>
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>> give
>>
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>> popular belief.
>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say

>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like
>>
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
>>>>>> add
>>
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use

>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only
>>
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain

>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying

>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to

>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>>> Glad
>>
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>>>>>>> needs
>
>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>>> start
>>
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>>> better
>>
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so

>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live
>>
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>>> your
>>
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from

>>>>>>> dealing and
>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding
>>
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>> need
>
>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long

>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>>> meals.
>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood
>>
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.

>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>> well.
>
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely
>
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug

>>>>>>>> is
>>
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> fill
>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>> evening.
>
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>> until
>>
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>>> felt
>>
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>>> also
>>
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 18:24:14 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <0A75D9C2F5F54BE686F5A889F20C236B@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2788858009EA1ACC2F9B2D1C4D00@phx.gbl>

Wow, that's crazy. I'm assuming it's not the same for type ones? Again,
I have never noticed higher sugars when drinking diet stuff, but this
really puts it all into perspective.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


The problem with diet drinks is that your body prepares, when something 
sweet comes along, by cranking out insulin.  In the case of diet pop,
the 
sugar doesn't come, and the insulin, in Type 2's, is set circulating in
the 
blood with nothing to use it up.  The cells don't need it to help them
work 
through glucose (since none came in), and this process, repeated again
and 
again leads to insulin resistance--the basis of much of Type 2 diabetes.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's 
> the problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the 
> body to react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not 
> actually the case.
>
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,

>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always 
>> assumed it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but 
>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and 
>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of

>> chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup 
>> coffeemaker and a tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any

>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
>> an even better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of

>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an 
>> English muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for
lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what 
>> you like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French

>> fries and sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack 
>> > food, and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. 
>> > We brought
>>
>> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
>> > lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out 
>> > prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every 
>> > meal, while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all 
>> > what you prefer. Most rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places 
>> > will provide one if you request it. Since I have insulin, I 
>> > typically get one since it needs to be kept in the fridge. This 
>> > means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> > Behalf Of d m gina
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> > Food food food,
>> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does

>> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and 
>> > potatoes. Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of 
>> > serial for breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with 
>> > you? How much cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you

>> > have enough until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner 
>> > cafe you can go to
>>
>> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> >> "granola
>> >
>> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to

>> >> cut
>> >
>> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late 
>> >> as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a 
>> >> healthy cow.
>> >
>> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin 
>> >> for us?
>> >
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>> >> it's
>>
>> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in 
>> >> America,
>>
>> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
>> >> and synthetic crap.
>> >
>> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>> >> would
>>
>> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or 
>> >> laws regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a 
>> >> Federal mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets 
>> >> and restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or 
>> >> other places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but 
>> >> very few do.
>> >
>> >> Bridgit
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> >> safest,
>> >
>> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
>> >> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about 
>> >> additives, but things we consider
>> >> food!) are just scary!
>> >
>> >> Sandi
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
>> >>> why
>>
>> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
>> >>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>> >
>> >>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat 
>> >>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in

>> >>> really
>> >
>> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>> >>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed

>> >>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>> >>> the problem
>> >
>> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
>> >>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> >> know
>> >
>> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and

>> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>> >>> should never have been in our food!
>> >
>> >>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi:
>> >
>> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>> >>>> withover
>> >
>> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between

>> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target 
>> >>>> with the
>> >
>> >>>> consequences you cite below.
>> >
>> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would

>> >>>> like
>> >
>> >>>> to admit. (grin)
>> >
>> >>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!

>> >>>> In
>> >
>> >>>> looking
>> >
>> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the

>> >>>> fat
>> >
>> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>> >>>> enough
>>
>> >>>> to
>> >
>> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  
>> >>>> We're no
>> >
>> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more 
>> >>>> fat.
>> >
>> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without 
>> >>>> limit! Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size 
>> >>>> and--in the case
>> >
>> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>> >>>> diabetics
>>
>> >>>> are better off eating
>> >
>> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because

>> >>>> they
>> >
>> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's

>> >>>>> an
>>
>> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>> >>>>> give
>> >
>> >>>>> for some refried beans
>> >>> made
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>> >>>>> popular belief.
>> >
>> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
>> >>>>> say with the
>> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> >
>> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> >
>> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>> >>>>> diabetic
>> >
>> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to

>> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> >
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>> >>>>> like
>> >
>> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you

>> >>>>> add
>> >
>> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
>> >>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>> >
>> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>> >>>>> only
>> >
>> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>> >>>>> pregnancy, and
>> >
>> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> >>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
>> >>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I 
>> >>>>> am trying to
>> >
>> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am

>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>> >>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want 
>> >>>>> him to go to the
>> >
>> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>> >>>>> Glad
>> >
>> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> >
>> >>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I 
>> >>>>>> told people
>> >
>> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>> >>>>>> needs
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>> >>>>>> start
>> >
>> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>> >>>>>> better
>> >
>> >>>>>> for you
>> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>> >>>>>> dairy,
>> >>>>> fresh
>> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and 
>> >>>>>> lima, etc.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity 
>> >>>>>> of any
>> >>>>> kind
>> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is 
>> >>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I 
>> >>>>>> do allow
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>> >>>>>> live
>> >
>> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it 
>> >>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>> >>>>>> whatever your
>> >
>> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>> >>>>>> you can
>> >>>>> cut
>> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>> >>>>>> weight
>> >
>> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and 
>> >>>>>> just healthy living in general.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise 
>> >>>>>> with Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day 
>> >>>>>> just from dealing and
>> >
>> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>> >>>>>> finding
>> >
>> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>> >>>>>> Somehow, I've
>> >
>> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>> >>>>>> need
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
>> >>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>> >>>>>> likely
>> >
>> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>> >>>>>> after meals.
>> >
>> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>> >>>>>> blood
>> >
>> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>> >>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> >>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>> >>>>>> well.
>>
>> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>> >>>>>>> completely
>>
>> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
>> >>>>>>> drug is
>> >
>> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach

>> >>>>>>> to
>>
>> >>>>>>> fill
>> >
>> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've

>> >>>>>>> had
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]

>> >>>>>>> On
>>
>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>> >>>>>>> evening.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>> >>>>>>> until
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>> >>>>>>> felt
>> >
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 18:32:48 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:32:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <C531D3F0-6129-4506-BBA6-C818FC4B9954@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP26628FB25D863F88D9CB735C4D00@phx.gbl>

I find the taste of tap water disgusting though. I grew up on purified
water. My parents had a Culligan machine, and we always bought bottled
water, so I'm use to the taste. Minnesota has amazing tap water though,
smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:35 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Bottled water is often no better and no worse than tap water throughout
the U.S. Also, unless you specifically buy distilled water, minerals
etc. Are not eliminated by using bottled water. 
I just drink from the tap and don't worry about it. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:45, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary

> drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these 
> days.) For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they 
> want, and drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged 
> and do your blood sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of 
> orange juice or eating a plate of fries served with a sandwich because

> "this doesn't happen very often."  As diabetics, we all make 
> choices--I certainly drink diet drinks when I indulge (though they 
> have issues, too, actually)--but some people may fit sugary drinks 
> into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd rather 
> have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for our 
> room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're 
> visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the 
> coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of 
> sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty 
> of water to drink.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" 
> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
> 
> 
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,

>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always 
>> assumed it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but 
>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and 
>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan

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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 20:08:05 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:08:05 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <C531D3F0-6129-4506-BBA6-C818FC4B9954@panix.com>
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Bottled water is someone else's tap water, filtered.  I generally don't 
drink it, but if you'd tasted the water in, for instance, Iowa City, Iowa, 
you'd understand why I always carry a bottle or two to a new place.  It lets 
me find out whether the water tastes good, and keeps me from being 
dehydrated until I can get more bottled water if the tap is awful!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> Bottled water is often no better and no worse than tap water throughout 
> the U.S. Also, unless you specifically buy distilled water, minerals etc. 
> Are not eliminated by using bottled water.
> I just drink from the tap and don't worry about it.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:45, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary 
>> drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these 
>> days.) For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they 
>> want, and drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged and 
>> do your blood sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of orange 
>> juice or eating a plate of fries served with a sandwich because "this 
>> doesn't happen very often."  As diabetics, we all make choices--I 
>> certainly drink diet drinks when I indulge (though they have issues, too, 
>> actually)--but some people may fit sugary drinks into their diets by 
>> skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd rather have.  When we took food 
>> last year, we bought bottled water for our room for two reasons:  You 
>> never know what the water in a city you're visiting will be like; and we 
>> wanted filtered water for use in the coffeemaker.  And my husband and I 
>> do limit the amount of any type of sweetened drink we have, whether diet 
>> or regular, so we wanted plenty of water to drink.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" 
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Sandi Ryan
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 20:19:52 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP240DBF57EC12C591949F1E1C4D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP240DBF57EC12C591949F1E1C4D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C641C0EF70AB4F8C9DE6A8A17EB5CA2A@SandiPC>

I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause this, but 
because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is that it 
changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, leading to more 
weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin resistance is a precursos 
to diabetes Type 2.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet
> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>
> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously a
> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several 12
> packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They both also
> complain about not losing weight, and while many factors contribute to
> this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Denise Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.
> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually
> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to
> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know this....
>
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for
>
>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and
>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed
>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd
>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>> big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
> a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>> an even better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English
>
>> muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
> is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>
>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>> fries and sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
> brought
>>
>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>>> smile.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>
>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
> to
>>
>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>> "granola
>>>
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>>> cut
>>>
>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>
>>>> cow.
>>>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>> us?
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>>> it's
>>
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
> America,
>>
>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>> synthetic crap.
>>>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>>> would
>>
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>>> do.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>> safest,
>>>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>> things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>>>>> why
>>
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>> have  ever happened.
>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>>> really
>>>
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>>> problem
>>>
>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>>>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover
>>>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>>> In
>>>
>>>>>> looking
>>>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>>> fat
>>>
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>>> enough
>>
>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>>> no
>>>
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case
>>>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>>>>>> diabetics
>>
>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>> they
>>>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>>>>>>> an
>>
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>> give
>>>
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>>> add
>>>
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>> only
>>>
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>
>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>> Glad
>>>
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
> needs
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>> start
>>>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better
>>>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>> live
>>>
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>> your
>>>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight
>>>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>> finding
>>>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>>>>>>> need
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>> blood
>>>
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>>>>>>>> well.
>>
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 20:21:30 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:21:30 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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No, I wouldn't think it would happen in Type 21's, because there's no 
insulin made in their bodies.  And it's not a problem that raises your blood 
sugar--it raises your insulin levels, leading to increased fat storage.  So 
it's a big deal for Type 2's.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> Wow, that's crazy. I'm assuming it's not the same for type ones? Again,
> I have never noticed higher sugars when drinking diet stuff, but this
> really puts it all into perspective.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:49 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> The problem with diet drinks is that your body prepares, when something
> sweet comes along, by cranking out insulin.  In the case of diet pop,
> the
> sugar doesn't come, and the insulin, in Type 2's, is set circulating in
> the
> blood with nothing to use it up.  The cells don't need it to help them
> work
> through glucose (since none came in), and this process, repeated again
> and
> again leads to insulin resistance--the basis of much of Type 2 diabetes.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's
>> the problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the
>> body to react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not
>> actually the case.
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
>>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,
>
>>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
>>> assumed it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but
>>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and
>>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>
>>> chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup
>>> coffeemaker and a tiny
>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>>> stores
>>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>>> local
>>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>
>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>
>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>>> an even better
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>
>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an
>>> English muffin, etc.
>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for
> lunch,
>>> or a
>>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
> is
>>> not
>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
>>>
>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what
>>> you like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>
>>> fries and sugary
>>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack
>>> > food, and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us.
>>> > We brought
>>>
>>> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>>> > lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out
>>> > prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every
>>> > meal, while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all
>>> > what you prefer. Most rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places
>>> > will provide one if you request it. Since I have insulin, I
>>> > typically get one since it needs to be kept in the fridge. This
>>> > means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>>> >
>>> > Bridgit
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> > Behalf Of d m gina
>>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Food food food,
>>> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>
>>> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
>>> > potatoes. Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of
>>> > serial for breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with
>>> > you? How much cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you
>
>>> > have enough until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner
>>> > cafe you can go to
>>>
>>> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Original message:
>>> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>> >> "granola
>>> >
>>> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>
>>> >> cut
>>> >
>>> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late
>>> >> as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
>>> >> healthy cow.
>>> >
>>> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin
>>> >> for us?
>>> >
>>> >> Mike
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>> >> it's
>>>
>>> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>> >> America,
>>>
>>> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>>> >> and synthetic crap.
>>> >
>>> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>> >> would
>>>
>>> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or
>>> >> laws regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a
>>> >> Federal mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets
>>> >> and restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or
>>> >> other places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but
>>> >> very few do.
>>> >
>>> >> Bridgit
>>> >
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> >> safest,
>>> >
>>> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
>>> >> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about
>>> >> additives, but things we consider
>>> >> food!) are just scary!
>>> >
>>> >> Sandi
>>> >
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>>> >>> why
>>>
>>> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>>> >>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>> >
>>> >>> Bridgit
>>> >
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat
>>> >>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>
>>> >>> really
>>> >
>>> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>> >>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>
>>> >>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that
>>> >>> the problem
>>> >
>>> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>>> >>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>> >> know
>>> >
>>> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>
>>> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>> >>> should never have been in our food!
>>> >
>>> >>> Sandi
>>> >
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>> Sandi:
>>> >
>>> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>> >>>> withover
>>> >
>>> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>
>>> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target
>>> >>>> with the
>>> >
>>> >>>> consequences you cite below.
>>> >
>>> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>
>>> >>>> like
>>> >
>>> >>>> to admit. (grin)
>>> >
>>> >>>> Mike
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>
>>> >>>> In
>>> >
>>> >>>> looking
>>> >
>>> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>
>>> >>>> fat
>>> >
>>> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>> >>>> enough
>>>
>>> >>>> to
>>> >
>>> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!
>>> >>>> We're no
>>> >
>>> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
>>> >>>> fat.
>>> >
>>> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without
>>> >>>> limit! Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size
>>> >>>> and--in the case
>>> >
>>> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>>> >>>> diabetics
>>>
>>> >>>> are better off eating
>>> >
>>> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>
>>> >>>> they
>>> >
>>> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>> >
>>> >>>> Sandi
>>> >
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>
>>> >>>>> an
>>>
>>> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>> >>>>> give
>>> >
>>> >>>>> for some refried beans
>>> >>> made
>>> >>>>> with
>>> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>> >>>>> popular belief.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>>> >>>>> say with the
>>> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>> >
>>> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>> >>>>> diabetic
>>> >
>>> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>
>>> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Mike
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>> >>>>> like
>>> >
>>> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>
>>> >>>>> add
>>> >
>>> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>>> >>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>> >>>>> only
>>> >
>>> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>> >>>>> pregnancy, and
>>> >
>>> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Bridgit
>>> >
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>>> >>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I
>>> >>>>> am trying to
>>> >
>>> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >
>>> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>> >>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want
>>> >>>>> him to go to the
>>> >
>>> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>> >>>>> Glad
>>> >
>>> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Original message:
>>> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I
>>> >>>>>> told people
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>> >>>>>> needs
>>>
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>> >>>>>> start
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>> >>>>>> better
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> for you
>>> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>> >>>>>> dairy,
>>> >>>>> fresh
>>> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and
>>> >>>>>> lima, etc.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity
>>> >>>>>> of any
>>> >>>>> kind
>>> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
>>> >>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I
>>> >>>>>> do allow
>>> >>>>> for
>>> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>> >>>>>> live
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it
>>> >>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>> >>>>>> whatever your
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>> >>>>>> you can
>>> >>>>> cut
>>> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>> >>>>>> weight
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and
>>> >>>>>> just healthy living in general.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise
>>> >>>>>> with Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day
>>> >>>>>> just from dealing and
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>> >>>>>> finding
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>> >>>>>> Somehow, I've
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>> >>>>>> need
>>>
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>>> >>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>> >>>>>> likely
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity
>>> >>>>>> after meals.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>> >>>>>> blood
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>>> >>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> Bridgit
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>>> >>>>>> well.
>>>
>>> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> Original message:
>>> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>>> >>>>>>> completely
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>>> >>>>>>> drug is
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> fill
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>
>>> >>>>>>> had
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>
>>> >>>>>>> On
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>>> >>>>>>> evening.
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>> >>>>>>> until
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>> >>>>>>> felt
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>> >>>>>>> also
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad
>>> >>>>>>> for those who can take it. I played the game now game is
>>> >>>>>>> over.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>> --Dar
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 20:26:38 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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You're sure right about corn syrup being everywhere.  The HCSF folks say 
"Well, it has only about 5% more fructose than table sugar," meaning you 
shouldn't mind.  What I've been reading lately, though is that fructose is 
the problem with both table sugar and high-fructose corn syrup.  The 
explanation I read was that glucose is absorbed into your body into the 
bloodstream and passed around to various organs (liver, muscles, etc.) with 
insulin to aid in its getting into them.  So about 12% of the glucose goes 
to the liver.  Fructose, on the other hand, is absorbed and goes directly to 
the liver--all of it.  Because fructose can't be converted to glycogen (a 
sugar storage product) by the liver, it is sent to the fat cells for 
storage--as fat.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> Corn syrup seems to be in everything. When buying stuff for Baby, I
> check it doesn't have corn syrup. I typically make home-made baby food,
> but supplement with store-bought but don't like the stuff with corn
> syrup. I always buy 100% fruit juice so it has less stuff than other
> juice drinks, and we rarely buy soda except for diet ginger ale. Every
> now and then my hubby craves a regular Mt. Dew, but I can usually get
> him to get a diet one. I prefer either diet Sprite or diet Dr. Pepper
> when drinking soda. Another reason I don't do soda much is because of
> the caffeine. I usually do caffeine-free soda and teas when buying this
> stuff.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:46 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary
> drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these
> days.)
> For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they want, and
> drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged and do your
> blood
> sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of orange juice or eating
> a
> plate of fries served with a sandwich because "this doesn't happen very
> often."  As diabetics, we all make choices--I certainly drink diet
> drinks
> when I indulge (though they have issues, too, actually)--but some people
> may
> fit sugary drinks into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods
> I'd
> rather have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for
> our
> room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're
> visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the
> coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of
> sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty of
>
> water to drink.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for
>
>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and
>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed
>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd
>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup
>> coffeemaker and a tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>> an even better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English
>
>> muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
> is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>
>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>> fries and sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>>> brought
>>
>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>
>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>>> smile.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>
>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
>>> to
>>
>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>> "granola
>>>
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>>> cut
>>>
>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>
>>>> cow.
>>>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>> us?
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>>> it's
>>
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>>> America,
>>
>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>
>>>> synthetic crap.
>>>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>>> would
>>
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>>> do.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>> safest,
>>>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>
>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>> things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>>>>> why
>>
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>
>>>>> have  ever happened.
>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>>> really
>>>
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>>> problem
>>>
>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>
>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>>>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover
>>>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>>> In
>>>
>>>>>> looking
>>>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>>> fat
>>>
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>>> enough
>>
>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>>> no
>>>
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case
>>>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>>>>>> diabetics
>>
>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>> they
>>>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>>>>>>> an
>>
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>> give
>>>
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>>> add
>>>
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>> only
>>>
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>
>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>> Glad
>>>
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>>>>>>> needs
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>> start
>>>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better
>>>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>> live
>>>
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>> your
>>>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight
>>>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>> finding
>>>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>>>>>>> need
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>> blood
>>>
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>>>>>>>> well.
>>
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 20:28:15 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:28:15 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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Talk to the doctor about your baby's water.  When I was doing infant diet 
counseling, we always told the moms to give their babies at least two cups 
of tap water per day.  The issue is fluoride, which strengthens the teeth. 
Water is bottled without it for the most part.  It's not such a big deal for 
adults, but it is for babies growing teeth!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


>I find the taste of tap water disgusting though. I grew up on purified
> water. My parents had a Culligan machine, and we always bought bottled
> water, so I'm use to the taste. Minnesota has amazing tap water though,
> smile.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:35 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Bottled water is often no better and no worse than tap water throughout
> the U.S. Also, unless you specifically buy distilled water, minerals
> etc. Are not eliminated by using bottled water.
> I just drink from the tap and don't worry about it.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:45, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other sugary
>
>> drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these
>> days.) For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they
>> want, and drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged
>> and do your blood sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of
>> orange juice or eating a plate of fries served with a sandwich because
>
>> "this doesn't happen very often."  As diabetics, we all make
>> choices--I certainly drink diet drinks when I indulge (though they
>> have issues, too, actually)--but some people may fit sugary drinks
>> into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd rather
>> have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for our
>> room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're
>> visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the
>> coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of
>> sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty
>> of water to drink.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
>>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,
>
>>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
>>> assumed it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but
>>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and
>>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 20:32:13 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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A G&T is great for that also but has some carb. 

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2013, at 11:18, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I love ice tea, grin. Especially on a hot summer day.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:16 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
> 
> 
> bridgit: 
> I agree with you completely. Believe it or not, though, some people just
> have to have their sugar fix! Although I occasionally drink diet sodas
> because my wife likes them, I never buy them for myself. I would just as
> soon drink ice tea. 
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 25, 2013, at 23:09, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for
> 
>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and 
>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed 
>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
>> big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken, 
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
> a
>> tiny 
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores 
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local 
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>> 
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any 
>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
>> an even better
>> idea.
>> 
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of 
>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English
> 
>> muffin,
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 22:51:20 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:51:20 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We do
drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a day
was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't drink any
caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to 120 oz. of
water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get back to drinking
more water in a day.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause this,
but 
because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is that it 
changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, leading to more 
weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin resistance is a
precursos 
to diabetes Type 2.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet 
> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>
> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously a

> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several 
> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They both 
> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors 
> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.

> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually 
> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to

> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know 
> this....
>
> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter 
> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is 
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>> for
>
>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and

>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed

>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
> a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery 
>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went 
>> out to a local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any

>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is 
>> an even better idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of

>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an 
>> English
>
>> muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for 
>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the 
>> trick for me
> is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what 
>> you
>
>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,

>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
> brought
>>
>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out 
>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal,

>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what 
>>> you prefer. Most
>
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you

>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs

>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
>>> smile.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and 
>>> potatoes.
>
>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much

>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
> to
>>
>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>>> "granola
>>>
>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
>>>> cut
>>>
>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as

>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a 
>>>> healthy
>
>>>> cow.
>>>
>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for

>>>> us?
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>>> it's
>>
>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
> America,
>>
>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>
>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>>> would
>>
>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws

>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal

>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>>>> do.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>>> safest,
>>>
>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about 
>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
>>>>> why
>>
>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat 
>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>>> really
>>>
>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>>> the problem
>>>
>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>>>
>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>>> withover
>>>
>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with

>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing! 
>>>>>> In
>>>
>>>>>> looking
>>>
>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>>> fat
>>>
>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>>> enough
>>
>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're

>>>>>> no
>>>
>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more 
>>>>>> fat.
>>>
>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!

>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the

>>>>>> case
>>>
>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>>> diabetics
>>
>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>>> they
>>>
>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>>> an
>>
>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>>> give
>>>
>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>
>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
>>>>>>> add
>>>
>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>>> only
>>>
>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,

>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am

>>>>>>> trying
>
>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything

>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go 
>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>>>> Glad
>>>
>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told

>>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
> needs
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>>>> start
>>>
>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>>>> better
>>>
>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,

>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of

>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is 
>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I 
>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>>> live
>>>
>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be

>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>>>> your
>>>
>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you

>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>>> weight
>>>
>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just

>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with

>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just 
>>>>>>>> from
>
>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>>> finding
>>>
>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,

>>>>>>>> I've
>>>
>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>>> need
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>
>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after

>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>>> blood
>>>
>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>>> well.
>>
>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>
>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>
>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>
>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>
>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for

>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 26 22:58:04 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:58:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <9036F935D0B6472CA0445DEEAC53562F@SandiPC>
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We buy baby drinking water with fluride in it.

-----Original Message-----Bridgit

From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:28 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Talk to the doctor about your baby's water.  When I was doing infant
diet 
counseling, we always told the moms to give their babies at least two
cups 
of tap water per day.  The issue is fluoride, which strengthens the
teeth. 
Water is bottled without it for the most part.  It's not such a big deal
for 
adults, but it is for babies growing teeth!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


>I find the taste of tap water disgusting though. I grew up on purified

>water. My parents had a Culligan machine, and we always bought bottled

>water, so I'm use to the taste. Minnesota has amazing tap water though,

>smile.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:35 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Bottled water is often no better and no worse than tap water 
> throughout the U.S. Also, unless you specifically buy distilled water,

> minerals etc. Are not eliminated by using bottled water. I just drink 
> from the tap and don't worry about it.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:45, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other 
>> sugary
>
>> drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these
>> days.) For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they 
>> want, and drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged 
>> and do your blood sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of 
>> orange juice or eating a plate of fries served with a sandwich 
>> because
>
>> "this doesn't happen very often."  As diabetics, we all make 
>> choices--I certainly drink diet drinks when I indulge (though they 
>> have issues, too, actually)--but some people may fit sugary drinks 
>> into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd rather 
>> have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for our 
>> room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're

>> visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the 
>> coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of

>> sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty

>> of water to drink.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" 
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is

>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do 
>>> this,
>
>>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always 
>>> assumed it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but

>>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and

>>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 01:19:42 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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Oh yeah, I suppose they do have that now! *smile*  My pediatric counseling 
is pretty old--way back in the early 90s!

Sandi

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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> We buy baby drinking water with fluride in it.
>
> -----Original Message-----Bridgit
>
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:28 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Talk to the doctor about your baby's water.  When I was doing infant
> diet
> counseling, we always told the moms to give their babies at least two
> cups
> of tap water per day.  The issue is fluoride, which strengthens the
> teeth.
> Water is bottled without it for the most part.  It's not such a big deal
> for
> adults, but it is for babies growing teeth!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>>I find the taste of tap water disgusting though. I grew up on purified
>
>>water. My parents had a Culligan machine, and we always bought bottled
>
>>water, so I'm use to the taste. Minnesota has amazing tap water though,
>
>>smile.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:35 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> Bottled water is often no better and no worse than tap water
>> throughout the U.S. Also, unless you specifically buy distilled water,
>
>> minerals etc. Are not eliminated by using bottled water. I just drink
>> from the tap and don't worry about it.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:45, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not only talking about soda, but also fruit juice and other
>>> sugary
>>
>>> drinks (though most are sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup these
>>> days.) For some people, eating out is a license to eat whatever they
>>> want, and drink what they want, and it's a lot easier to get snagged
>>> and do your blood sugar harm by downing a 12- or 16-ounce glass of
>>> orange juice or eating a plate of fries served with a sandwich
>>> because
>>
>>> "this doesn't happen very often."  As diabetics, we all make
>>> choices--I certainly drink diet drinks when I indulge (though they
>>> have issues, too, actually)--but some people may fit sugary drinks
>>> into their diets by skipping some of the sweeter foods I'd rather
>>> have.  When we took food last year, we bought bottled water for our
>>> room for two reasons:  You never know what the water in a city you're
>
>>> visiting will be like; and we wanted filtered water for use in the
>>> coffeemaker.  And my husband and I do limit the amount of any type of
>
>>> sweetened drink we have, whether diet or regular, so we wanted plenty
>
>>> of water to drink.
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:09 AM
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>>
>>>
>>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>
>>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
>>>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do
>>>> this,
>>
>>>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
>>>> assumed it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but
>
>>>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and
>
>>>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 01:22:25 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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Wow!  I bet you did walk around going "slosh, slosh!"  Good for you, though! 
I don't think I could give up my morning cup of coffee, even for a precious 
bundle of joy!  Actually, though, at the time they were born, I didn't drink 
much coffee.  I've always thought our second son was born six weeks early 
because, on the Sunday before he came, I drank two cups of coffee, then 
didn't sleep until Thursday night!  He was born early the next Sunday 
morning.  Who knows--but it was a long time before I drank coffee again!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We do
> drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a day
> was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't drink any
> caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to 120 oz. of
> water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get back to drinking
> more water in a day.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause this,
> but
> because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is that it
> changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, leading to more
> weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin resistance is a
> precursos
> to diabetes Type 2.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet
>> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>>
>> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously a
>
>> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several
>> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They both
>> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors
>> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.
>
>> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually
>> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to
>
>> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know
>> this....
>>
>> Denise M Robinson
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
>>> for
>>
>>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and
>
>>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed
>
>>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd
>>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>>> chicken,
>>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
>> a
>>> tiny
>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went
>>> out to a local
>>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>
>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>
>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>>> an even better idea.
>>>
>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>
>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an
>>> English
>>
>>> muffin, etc.
>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for
>>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the
>>> trick for me
>> is
>>> not
>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
>> and
>>>
>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what
>>> you
>>
>>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>
>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>> brought
>>>
>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out
>>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal,
>
>>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what
>>>> you prefer. Most
>>
>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>
>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>
>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>>>> smile.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Food food food,
>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
>>>> potatoes.
>>
>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>
>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
>> to
>>>
>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>>> "granola
>>>>
>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>>>> cut
>>>>
>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>
>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
>>>>> healthy
>>
>>>>> cow.
>>>>
>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>
>>>>> us?
>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>>>> it's
>>>
>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>> America,
>>>
>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>>
>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>>>> would
>>>
>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>
>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>
>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>>> safest,
>>>>
>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
>>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about
>>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>>>>>> why
>>>
>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat
>>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that
>>>>>> the problem
>>>>
>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>> know
>>>>
>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>>> withover
>>>>
>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>>>> In
>>>>
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>
>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>>>> fat
>>>>
>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>>>> enough
>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>
>>>>>>> no
>>>>
>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
>>>>>>> fat.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>
>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>
>>>>>>> case
>>>>
>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>>>>>>> diabetics
>>>
>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>
>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>>> they
>>>>
>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>>>>>>>> an
>>>
>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>
>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>
>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>>>> add
>>>>
>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am
>
>>>>>>>> trying
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>
>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go
>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>>> Glad
>>>>
>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>> needs
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
>>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I
>>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>
>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>>> weight
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>
>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>
>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
>>>>>>>>> from
>>
>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>>> finding
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>
>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>>> blood
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>
>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Mar 27 03:01:12 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:01:12 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <9B51B1B2-991B-4884-8CEC-9064D12472C9@gmail.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP457A8288D8D02C4B5A29604C4D00@phx.gbl>
	<9B51B1B2-991B-4884-8CEC-9064D12472C9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501ce2a97$575a3140$060e93c0$@panix.com>

I beg to differ. Check out

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

Unless you have phenolketonuria, you don't have to worry.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Denise Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:33 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks

Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.  The
by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually contribute
to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to do digging on it
as the diet companies do not want you to know this....

Denise M Robinson
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
> 
> Bridgit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big 
> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
> chicken, 
> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
> tiny 
> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
> stores 
> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
> local 
> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
> 
> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
> canned 
> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
> better 
> idea.
> 
> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
> making 
> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
> etc. 
> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
> or a 
> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
> not 
> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
> 
> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
> like, 
> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
> sugary 
> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> 
> 
>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food, 
>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
> 
>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat 
>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some 
>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others 
>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most 
>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you 
>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs 
>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well, 
>> smile.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much 
>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
> 
>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>> "granola
>> 
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to 
>>> cut
>> 
>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
>>> cow.
>> 
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>>> us?
>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
> 
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
> 
>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>>> synthetic crap.
>> 
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
> 
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>>> do.
>> 
>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>> safest,
>> 
>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>> 
>>> Sandi
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
> 
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>>> have  ever happened.
>> 
>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really
>> 
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the 
>>>> problem
>> 
>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>> know
>> 
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>> should never have been in our food!
>> 
>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>> Sandi:
>> 
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover
>> 
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>> 
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like
>> 
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>> 
>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>>> In
>> 
>>>>> looking
>> 
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat
>> 
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
> 
>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>>> no
>> 
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>> 
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>>> case
>> 
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
> 
>>>>> are better off eating
>> 
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they
>> 
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> 
>>>>> Sandi
>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
> 
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>> give
>> 
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>> popular belief.
>> 
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> 
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> 
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic
>> 
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like
>> 
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you 
>>>>>> add
>> 
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>> 
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only
>> 
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>>>> and
>> 
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> 
>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>>> Glad
>> 
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>> 
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
> 
>>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>>> start
>> 
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>>> better
>> 
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc.
>> 
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live
>> 
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>>>> your
>> 
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight
>> 
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>> 
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>>> dealing and
>> 
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding
>> 
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>>> I've
>> 
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
> 
>>>>>>> to
>> 
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> 
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely
>> 
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>>> meals.
>> 
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood
>> 
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> 
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
> 
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> 
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
> 
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>>> is
>> 
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
> 
>>>>>>>> fill
>> 
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had
>> 
>>>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> 
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> 
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
> 
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>> until
>> 
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>>> felt
>> 
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>>> also
>> 
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>> 
>>>>>>>> --
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Wed Mar 27 03:20:54 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:20:54 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
Message-ID: 0f247e4c-3ddc-4b88-ac82-e4ea56471b32@samobile.net

Thank you Mike,
I wanted to share on behalf of aspertain where I felt I would be jumped 
on, so stayed very quiet.
You know though,
We are diabetic, then it says cancer.
One just can't win can they?
I just enjoy each day as I am blessed with.

Original message:
> I beg to differ. Check out

> http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

> Unless you have phenolketonuria, you don't have to worry.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Denise Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:33 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks

> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed.  The
> by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually contribute
> to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to do digging on it
> as the diet companies do not want you to know this....

> Denise M Robinson
> Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> wrote:

>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.

>> Bridgit

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.

>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned
>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>> better
>> idea.

>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making
>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>> etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and

>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>> like,
>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>> sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought

>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>>> smile.

>>> Bridgit

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Food food food,
>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to

>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>>> Thanks,

>>> Original message:
>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>> "granola

>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>>> cut

>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>> cow.

>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>> us?

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>> synthetic crap.

>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>>> do.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>> safest,

>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>> things we consider
>>>> food!) are just scary!

>>>> Sandi

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>> have  ever happened.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>>> really

>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>>> problem

>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know

>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>> should never have been in our food!

>>>>> Sandi

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>> Sandi:

>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>> withover

>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> consequences you cite below.

>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>> like

>>>>>> to admit. (grin)

>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>>> In

>>>>>> looking

>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>>> fat

>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>>> no

>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>> case

>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>>>> are better off eating

>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>> they

>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>>>>> Sandi

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>> give

>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>> popular belief.

>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>> diabetic

>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)

>>>>>>> Mike


>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>>> add

>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.

>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>> only

>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>> Glad

>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.

>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>> better

>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>> live

>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>> weight

>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.

>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>> dealing and

>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>> finding

>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>> I've

>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>> meals.

>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>> blood

>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>>>> fill

>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>>> had

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>> until

>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>> felt

>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>> also

>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> sa
>>>>>>>> mo
>>>>>>>> bile.net

>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future

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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>> mo
>>> bile.net

>>> --
>>> --Dar
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>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future

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  FB: dmgina
www.twitter.com/dmgina
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From bainsworth65 at windstream.net  Wed Mar 27 15:20:31 2013
From: bainsworth65 at windstream.net (Bonnie Ainsworth)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:20:31 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
In-Reply-To: <auto-000102261976@mailfront4.g2host.com>
References: <00cf01ce2895$a94a9ac0$fbdfd040$@panix.com>
	<auto-000102261976@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <0B75837E58FD4B34804D4B47083085CB@OwnerPC>

I'd opt for that bacon-wrapped steak or prime rib if I could have some good 
beer with it.  *GRIN*


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)


Is that steak bacon wrapped??? 




From bainsworth65 at windstream.net  Wed Mar 27 15:23:52 2013
From: bainsworth65 at windstream.net (Bonnie Ainsworth)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread
In-Reply-To: <014401ce29d7$8a2d86f0$9e8894d0$@panix.com>
References: <mailman.18258.1364266507.31365.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><B665B3CDCB9B4285B41223E6CE6FBBFE@user2868093fd9>
	<014401ce29d7$8a2d86f0$9e8894d0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <EF6D638942B84BCEB846CFF862DD49DC@OwnerPC>

Stirring natural peanut butter is a pain, but I really think it's the best 
tasting stuff.  Mmmm!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread


Hi, Grant.

Naw; haven't tried that yet though I have heard of it. Hafta give it a go.

I think one always has to stir natural peanut butter. One of the joys of
living a natural life, I guess. 




From Blindhands at aol.com  Wed Mar 27 16:03:16 2013
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:03:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread
Message-ID: <b123.397f8a38.3e847244@aol.com>

Was there a recipe for the Peanut butter upside down bread or possibly a  
link to the recipe?
 
If it was here already can you please send it to my email address?
_Blindhands at aol.com_ (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com) 
 
many thanks,
 
Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
Blindhands at AOL.com   

 
In a message dated 3/27/2013 11:25:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bainsworth65 at windstream.net writes:

Stirring  natural peanut butter is a pain, but I really think it's the best 
tasting  stuff.  Mmmm!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike  Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'"  <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:08  PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down  bread


Hi, Grant.

Naw; haven't tried that yet though I have  heard of it. Hafta give it a go.

I think one always has to stir natural  peanut butter. One of the joys of
living a natural life, I guess.  


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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Wed Mar 27 16:13:31 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread
Message-ID: 165d664e-6d17-4e35-b7b0-ad392ea478d5@samobile.net

I knew that was going to happen! Lol!
there is no recipe for peanut butter upside down bread. There probably 
should have been a comma between the words down and bread, in the subject line.
Linda



From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Mar 27 16:47:33 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:47:33 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down bread
In-Reply-To: 165d664e-6d17-4e35-b7b0-ad392ea478d5@samobile.net
References: 165d664e-6d17-4e35-b7b0-ad392ea478d5@samobile.net
Message-ID: <6F63DE9B-52CC-4212-828D-19074D8D5373@panix.com>

I know ... but the idea was *so* great!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:13, limestone lady <limestonelady at samobile.net> wrote:

> I knew that was going to happen! Lol!
> there is no recipe for peanut butter upside down bread. There probably should have been a comma between the words down and bread, in the subject line.
> Linda
> 
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From wlewis19 at cox.net  Wed Mar 27 17:45:16 2013
From: wlewis19 at cox.net (Bill Lewis)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:45:16 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1194C18BF016A9C468FCCD9C4D70@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP1194C18BF016A9C468FCCD9C4D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D79C301688824D7D81F1220157A2CA30@BillPC>

Hello, Folks, this is Bill Lewis.  I recently read a most interesting 
article in Discover Mag which talked of a accidental finding that the 
procedure for stomach stapling also stops immediately diabetes in the 
patient without further need for diabetes meds or insulin.  They went on to 
say that additional studies are now in process to find what chemical 
elements in the body cause this remarkable association.  Stay tuned.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:35 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
crap.

And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
most
processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
consider
food!) are just scary!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>have  ever happened.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
> with increased diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
know
>
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
> should never have been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> withover
>
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>> to
>
>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>> case
>
>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>> are better off eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>> for some refried beans
> made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>> with the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>> diabetic
>
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>> the
>
>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>> people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>> to
>
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>> better
>
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>> etc.
>
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>> weight
>
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>> I've
>
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>> to
>
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>> likely
>
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
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From wlewis19 at cox.net  Wed Mar 27 17:54:07 2013
From: wlewis19 at cox.net (Bill Lewis)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:54:07 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE:  victoza)
In-Reply-To: <20130324200308.LYZO9050.eastrmfepi102.cox.net@eastrmimpi112>
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Message-ID: <B13C79C1840C4D81BB0F2C7B12B4825F@BillPC>


Now, Mike, you know your stomach can't hold all that fine food over 800 days 
or so a year without gaining a lot of weight.  So go ahead and cook up all 
those goodies and send them over to me.  We will see that it gets 
distributed to all those starving kids in Lower Slavovia. -- Bill Lewis



-----Original Message----- 
From: d m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:01 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)

Oh glug only you would?

Original message:
> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to have
> prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and sirloin, new
> York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special treats.

> Original message:
>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.

>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime rib! :-)

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the
>> problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large
>> amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the 
>> real
>> food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm
>> currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
> diabetes,
>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier,
>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
> been
>> in our food!

>> Sandi

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>> Sandi:

>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
> saturated
>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences
>>> you
>>> cite below.

>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
>>> admit. (grin)

>>> Mike


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>>> looking

>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to 
>>> worry
>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
>>> less
>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
>>> fat--what
>>> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
>>> eating

>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they 
>>> are
>>> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

>>> Sandi

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful
>>>> lot
>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of
>>>> the
>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>>>> belief.

>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>>>> the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!

>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.

>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
> represent
>>>> all of you! :-)

>>>> Mike


>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>>>> meat
>>>> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
>>>> turkey around here.

>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>>>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.

>>>> Bridgit

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>>>> get
>>>> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>> Keep up the swell work.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people

>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>>>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>> general.

>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and

>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>> struggle, grin.

>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.

>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>>>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.

>>>>> Bridgit

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza


>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill

>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the

>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.

>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 19:11:20 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:11:20 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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As my Dad always said, we're all going to die of something.  We might as 
well enjoy our time here and not worry about it so much!  That was back when 
they found aflatoxin in peanut butter.

There have long been dire claims about aspartame, but it is the most tested 
sweetener in the history of this country, and it does not do the things the 
Internet is full of!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> Thank you Mike,
> I wanted to share on behalf of aspertain where I felt I would be jumped 
> on, so stayed very quiet.
> You know though,
> We are diabetic, then it says cancer.
> One just can't win can they?
> I just enjoy each day as I am blessed with.
>
> Original message:
>> I beg to differ. Check out
>
>> http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp
>
>> Unless you have phenolketonuria, you don't have to worry.
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Denise Robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:33 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when processed. 
>> The
>> by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually 
>> contribute
>> to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have to do digging on 
>> it
>> as the diet companies do not want you to know this....
>
>> Denise M Robinson
>> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's because
>>> I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for diet
>>> drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and I guess
>>> I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed it was a
>>> given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess not... And
>>> it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd rather spend
>>> calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a big
>>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>>> chicken,
>>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and a
>>> tiny
>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>>> stores
>>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>>> local
>>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>
>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>>> canned
>>> goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is an even
>>> better
>>> idea.
>
>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>>> making
>>> your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English muffin,
>>> etc.
>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>>> or a
>>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me is
>>> not
>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions, and
>
>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>>> like,
>>> but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French fries and
>>> sugary
>>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We brought
>
>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and lunchmeat
>>>> and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>>>> people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>>>> prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer. Most
>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>>>> smile.
>
>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Food food food,
>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go to
>
>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal?
>>>> Thanks,
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>>> "granola
>
>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>>>>> cut
>
>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy
>>>>> cow.
>
>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>>>>> us?
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>
>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,
>
>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and
>>>>> synthetic crap.
>
>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>
>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>>>>> do.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>>> safest,
>
>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things
>>>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>>>> things we consider
>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>
>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>
>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>>>>>> really
>
>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
>>>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>>>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>>>>>> problem
>
>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living
>>>>>> on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>> know
>
>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>>> withover
>
>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>>>> like
>
>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>>>> In
>
>>>>>>> looking
>
>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>>>> fat
>
>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>
>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>>>>>>> no
>
>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>>>> case
>
>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>
>>>>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>>>> they
>
>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>
>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>>> give
>
>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>>> like
>
>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>>>>>>>> add
>
>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>>> only
>
>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>>> Glad
>
>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>
>>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>>> live
>
>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>>>>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>
>>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>>> blood
>
>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>
>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>
>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug
>>>>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>
>>>>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>>>>>>>>>> had
>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>>> until
>
>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>>> felt
>
>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>>> also
>
>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>
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From thegems at dslextreme.com  Wed Mar 27 21:37:56 2013
From: thegems at dslextreme.com (Grant E. Metcalf)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter upside down, bread
References: <mailman.29.1364403614.28046.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <53228718A7BF4024BE3D1CDBF5C34569@user2868093fd9>

Oops! I guess my editing skills have gone to the cats. I am wondering 
however, if I turned over the slice of bread on which I spread the peanut 
butter face down and placed it on a second slice -- might that not be called 
peanut butter upside down bread? --BYE-BYE!




From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 27 21:59:56 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <8487B89D2ACA424D83ABBE7AD5EBEF85@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2933050EFA1D39C4E43C5FC4D10@phx.gbl>

I was pretty dedicated to doing everything possible to make my pregnancy
and delivery successful. I exercised, didn't indulge, ate organic and as
healthy as possible, avoided caffeine, tested a million times a day,
adjusted pump rates as needed and so much more. And Declan was born with
complications. Not necessarily connected to me, but still, mother's
guilt and all...

He's completely recovered and healthy, but sometimes things happen
despite your best efforts.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Wow!  I bet you did walk around going "slosh, slosh!"  Good for you,
though! 
I don't think I could give up my morning cup of coffee, even for a
precious 
bundle of joy!  Actually, though, at the time they were born, I didn't
drink 
much coffee.  I've always thought our second son was born six weeks
early 
because, on the Sunday before he came, I drank two cups of coffee, then 
didn't sleep until Thursday night!  He was born early the next Sunday 
morning.  Who knows--but it was a long time before I drank coffee again!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


> If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We do

> drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a 
> day was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't 
> drink any caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to 
> 120 oz. of water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get back

> to drinking more water in a day.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause this,

> but because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is 
> that it changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, 
> leading to more weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin 
> resistance is a precursos
> to diabetes Type 2.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet 
>> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>>
>> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously 
>> a
>
>> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several 
>> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They both

>> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors 
>> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when 
>> processed.
>
>> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually 
>> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have 
>> to
>
>> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know 
>> this....
>>
>> Denise M Robinson
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is

>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>>> for
>>
>>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, 
>>> and
>
>>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always 
>>> assumed
>
>>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
>>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
>>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a 
>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches 
>>> of chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup 
>>> coffeemaker and
>> a
>>> tiny
>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery

>>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went 
>>> out to a local restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>
>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and 
>>> any
>
>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is

>>> an even better idea.
>>>
>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle 
>>> of
>
>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an 
>>> English
>>
>>> muffin, etc.
>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for 
>>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the

>>> trick for me
>> is
>>> not
>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
>> and
>>>
>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what 
>>> you
>>
>>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
>>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack 
>>>> food,
>
>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>> brought
>>>
>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
>>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out 
>>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every 
>>>> meal,
>
>>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what 
>>>> you prefer. Most
>>
>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if 
>>>> you
>
>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it 
>>>> needs
>
>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,

>>>> smile.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Food food food,
>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does

>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and 
>>>> potatoes.
>>
>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for

>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How 
>>>> much
>
>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
>> to
>>>
>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>>>> "granola
>>>>
>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to

>>>>> cut
>>>>
>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late 
>>>>> as
>
>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a 
>>>>> healthy
>>
>>>>> cow.
>>>>
>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin 
>>>>> for
>
>>>>> us?
>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>>>> it's
>>>
>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>> America,
>>>
>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
>>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>>
>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>>>> would
>>>
>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or 
>>>>> laws
>
>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a 
>>>>> Federal
>
>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other

>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few

>>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>>>> safest,
>>>>
>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
>>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about 
>>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to 
>>>>>> why
>>>
>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
>>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat 
>>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in

>>>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed

>>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>>>> the problem
>>>>
>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
>>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>> know
>>>>
>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and

>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>>>> withover
>>>>
>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between

>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target 
>>>>>>> with
>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would

>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!

>>>>>>> In
>>>>
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>
>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the

>>>>>>> fat
>>>>
>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>>>> enough
>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  
>>>>>>> We're
>
>>>>>>> no
>>>>
>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more 
>>>>>>> fat.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without 
>>>>>>> limit!
>
>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in 
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> case
>>>>
>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>>>> diabetics
>>>
>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>
>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because

>>>>>>> they
>>>>
>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's

>>>>>>>> an
>>>
>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>
>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
>>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>
>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to

>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you

>>>>>>>> add
>>>>
>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
>>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>>>> pregnancy,
>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
>>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I 
>>>>>>>> am
>
>>>>>>>> trying
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am

>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>>>>> anything
>
>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go 
>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>>>>> Glad
>>>>
>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I 
>>>>>>>>> told
>
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>> needs
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and 
>>>>>>>>> lima,
>
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity 
>>>>>>>>> of
>
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is 
>>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I 
>>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it 
>>>>>>>>> be
>
>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>>>>>> you
>
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>>>> weight
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and 
>>>>>>>>> just
>
>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise 
>>>>>>>>> with
>
>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just 
>>>>>>>>> from
>>
>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>>>> finding
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>>>> Somehow,
>
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
>>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>>>>>>>>> after
>
>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>>>> blood
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
>>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach

>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've

>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I 
>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I 
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>
>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
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From sjryan2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 22:05:19 2013
From: sjryan2 at gmail.com (Sandi Ryan)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
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Message-ID: <12A436112BB34E6EB9B3596AF357572B@SandiPC>

Yes, that is a hard lesson many people learn.  You live right, do everything 
you can to make everything good, and still things happen.  It's especially 
hard when it's happening to your child, and I understand mother's guilt, but 
you don't need to feel it!  I think you're an awesome Mom!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


>I was pretty dedicated to doing everything possible to make my pregnancy
> and delivery successful. I exercised, didn't indulge, ate organic and as
> healthy as possible, avoided caffeine, tested a million times a day,
> adjusted pump rates as needed and so much more. And Declan was born with
> complications. Not necessarily connected to me, but still, mother's
> guilt and all...
>
> He's completely recovered and healthy, but sometimes things happen
> despite your best efforts.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Wow!  I bet you did walk around going "slosh, slosh!"  Good for you,
> though!
> I don't think I could give up my morning cup of coffee, even for a
> precious
> bundle of joy!  Actually, though, at the time they were born, I didn't
> drink
> much coffee.  I've always thought our second son was born six weeks
> early
> because, on the Sunday before he came, I drank two cups of coffee, then
> didn't sleep until Thursday night!  He was born early the next Sunday
> morning.  Who knows--but it was a long time before I drank coffee again!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We do
>
>> drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a
>> day was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't
>> drink any caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to
>> 120 oz. of water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get back
>
>> to drinking more water in a day.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause this,
>
>> but because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is
>> that it changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too,
>> leading to more weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin
>> resistance is a precursos
>> to diabetes Type 2.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet
>>> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>>>
>>> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously
>>> a
>>
>>> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several
>>> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They both
>
>>> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors
>>> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>>
>>>
>>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when
>>> processed.
>>
>>> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually
>>> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have
>>> to
>>
>>> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know
>>> this....
>>>
>>> Denise M Robinson
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>
>>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,
>>>> and
>>
>>>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
>>>> assumed
>>
>>>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>>>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd
>>>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches
>>>> of chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup
>>>> coffeemaker and
>>> a
>>>> tiny
>>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>
>>>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went
>>>> out to a local restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and
>>>> any
>>
>>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>
>>>> an even better idea.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle
>>>> of
>>
>>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an
>>>> English
>>>
>>>> muffin, etc.
>>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for
>>>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the
>
>>>> trick for me
>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what
>>>> you
>>>
>>>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>>>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack
>>>>> food,
>>
>>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>>> brought
>>>>
>>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>>>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out
>>>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every
>>>>> meal,
>>
>>>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what
>>>>> you prefer. Most
>>>
>>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if
>>>>> you
>>
>>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it
>>>>> needs
>>
>>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>
>>>>> smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Food food food,
>>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>
>>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
>>>>> potatoes.
>>>
>>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>
>>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How
>>>>> much
>>
>>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>>>> "granola
>>>>>
>>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>
>>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late
>>>>>> as
>>
>>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
>>>>>> healthy
>>>
>>>>>> cow.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin
>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>> us?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>
>>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>> America,
>>>>
>>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>>>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or
>>>>>> laws
>>
>>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a
>>>>>> Federal
>>
>>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>
>>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>>>> safest,
>>>>>
>>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
>>>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about
>>>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>>>>>>> why
>>>>
>>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>>>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat
>>>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>
>>>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that
>>>>>>> the problem
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>>>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>
>>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>>>> withover
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>
>>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target
>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>
>>>>>>>> fat
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!
>>>>>>>> We're
>>
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
>>>>>>>> fat.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without
>>>>>>>> limit!
>>
>>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>>>>>>>> diabetics
>>>>
>>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>>>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>
>>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>
>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>>>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>>>>>>>> pregnancy,
>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>>>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>
>>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>>>>> Glad
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I
>>>>>>>>>> told
>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>> needs
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and
>>>>>>>>>> lima,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
>>>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I
>>>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>
>>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>>>>> weight
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>
>>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>>>> finding
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>>>>>>>>> Somehow,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>>>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>
>>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>>>> blood
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>>>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>>>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> .com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 27 23:55:59 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:55:59 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <12A436112BB34E6EB9B3596AF357572B@SandiPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP881D319D47AE727BA55611C4D10@phx.gbl>

Thanks. I try.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:05 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Yes, that is a hard lesson many people learn.  You live right, do
everything 
you can to make everything good, and still things happen.  It's
especially 
hard when it's happening to your child, and I understand mother's guilt,
but 
you don't need to feel it!  I think you're an awesome Mom!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


>I was pretty dedicated to doing everything possible to make my 
>pregnancy  and delivery successful. I exercised, didn't indulge, ate 
>organic and as  healthy as possible, avoided caffeine, tested a million

>times a day,  adjusted pump rates as needed and so much more. And 
>Declan was born with  complications. Not necessarily connected to me, 
>but still, mother's  guilt and all...
>
> He's completely recovered and healthy, but sometimes things happen 
> despite your best efforts.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Wow!  I bet you did walk around going "slosh, slosh!"  Good for you, 
> though! I don't think I could give up my morning cup of coffee, even 
> for a precious
> bundle of joy!  Actually, though, at the time they were born, I didn't
> drink
> much coffee.  I've always thought our second son was born six weeks
> early
> because, on the Sunday before he came, I drank two cups of coffee,
then
> didn't sleep until Thursday night!  He was born early the next Sunday
> morning.  Who knows--but it was a long time before I drank coffee
again!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We 
>> do
>
>> drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a 
>> day was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't 
>> drink any caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to 
>> 120 oz. of water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get 
>> back
>
>> to drinking more water in a day.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause 
>> this,
>
>> but because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is 
>> that it changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, 
>> leading to more weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin 
>> resistance is a precursos to diabetes Type 2.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet 
>>> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>>>
>>> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously

>>> a
>>
>>> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several

>>> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They 
>>> both
>
>>> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors 
>>> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>>
>>>
>>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when 
>>> processed.
>>
>>> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually 
>>> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have 
>>> to
>>
>>> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know 
>>> this....
>>>
>>> Denise M Robinson
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this 
>>>> is
>
>>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, 
>>>> and
>>
>>>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always 
>>>> assumed
>>
>>>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
>>>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
>>>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a

>>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches 
>>>> of chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup 
>>>> coffeemaker and
>>> a
>>>> tiny
>>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local 
>>>> grocery
>
>>>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went 
>>>> out to a local restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and 
>>>> any
>>
>>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge 
>>>> is
>
>>>> an even better idea.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle 
>>>> of
>>
>>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an 
>>>> English
>>>
>>>> muffin, etc.
>>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
>>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for 
>>>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure 
>>>> the
>
>>>> trick for me
>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge 
>>>> portions,
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what 
>>>> you
>>>
>>>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
>>>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack 
>>>>> food,
>>
>>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>>> brought
>>>>
>>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
>>>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out 
>>>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every 
>>>>> meal,
>>
>>>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what 
>>>>> you prefer. Most
>>>
>>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if 
>>>>> you
>>
>>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it 
>>>>> needs
>>
>>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as 
>>>>> well,
>
>>>>> smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Food food food,
>>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he 
>>>>> does
>
>>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and 
>>>>> potatoes.
>>>
>>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial 
>>>>> for
>
>>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How 
>>>>> much
>>
>>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can 
>>>>> go
>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>>>>> "granola
>>>>>
>>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had 
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>
>>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green

>>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late 
>>>>>> as
>>
>>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a 
>>>>>> healthy
>>>
>>>>>> cow.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin 
>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>> us?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>>>>> it's
>>>>
>>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any

>>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>> America,
>>>>
>>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
>>>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or 
>>>>>> laws
>>
>>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a 
>>>>>> Federal
>>
>>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or 
>>>>>> other
>
>>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very 
>>>>>> few
>
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>>>>> safest,
>>>>>
>>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
>>>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about 
>>>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to

>>>>>>> why
>>>>
>>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
>>>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat

>>>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it 
>>>>>>> in
>
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have 
>>>>>>> screwed
>
>>>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that

>>>>>>> the problem
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
>>>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which

>>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>>>>> withover
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>>>>>> between
>
>>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target 
>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists 
>>>>>>>> would
>
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same 
>>>>>>>> thing!
>
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while 
>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>> fat
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day! 
>>>>>>>> We're
>>
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more 
>>>>>>>> fat.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without 
>>>>>>>> limit!
>>
>>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in 
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>>>>> diabetics
>>>>
>>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," 
>>>>>>>> because
>
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? 
>>>>>>>>> There's
>
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd

>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
>>>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me 
>>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different

>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>>>>> you
>
>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
>>>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I

>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>>>>> pregnancy,
>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
>>>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>>
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>
>>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go

>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.

>>>>>>>>> Glad
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I 
>>>>>>>>>> told
>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a

>>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>> needs
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,

>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are

>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and 
>>>>>>>>>> lima,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is

>>>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I

>>>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't

>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it 
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>
>>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain

>>>>>>>>>> weight
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old

>>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and 
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>
>>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise 
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>>>>> finding
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>>>>> Somehow,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
>>>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm

>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>
>>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>>>>> blood
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
>>>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your 
>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  
>>>>>>>>>>> We've
>
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk 
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I

>>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I

>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From julie.kline at rochester.rr.com  Thu Mar 28 00:42:15 2013
From: julie.kline at rochester.rr.com (Julie Kline)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:42:15 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter bread, recipe
Message-ID: <001d01ce2b4d$18381d90$48a858b0$@rochester.rr.com>

Ok, so maybe the only part missing is the upside down part, unless you count
turning the bread out of the pan when you reach the last cooling stage for
it?  Well in any case, if there's a recipe out there, I'd probably be the
one to find it.  Enjoy.

 

Peanut Butter Bread

Original recipe makes 1 loaf  <javascript:void(0);> Change Servings 

Makes servings US Metric  <javascript:void(0)> Adjust Recipe (
<http://allrecipes.com/help/recipeinfo/scaling.aspx> Help) 

.         

CriscoR Original No-Stick Cooking Spray 

.         

2 cups Pillsbury BESTR All Purpose Flour 

.         

1/2 cup sugar 

.         

2 teaspoons baking powder 

.         

1 teaspoon salt 

.         

3/4 cup JIFR Creamy Peanut Butter 

.         

1 large egg, beaten 

.         

1 cup milk 

Directions

1.     Heat oven to 350 degrees F. Spray a 9x3x5-inch loaf pan with no-stick
cooking spray.

2.     Mix flour, sugar, baking powder and salt in large bowl.

3.     Cut in peanut butter with a fork. Add egg and milk; stir just enough
to moisten dry ingredients. Pour into prepared pan.

4.     Bake 60 minutes or until wooden pick inserted near center comes out
clean. Cool in pan 10 minutes. Invert and remove loaf to cooling rack.

*	PREP 10 mins 
*	COOK 1 hr 
*	READY IN 1 hr 10 mins 

Nutrition

.         Calories

.         163 kcal

.         8%

.         Carbohydrates

.         21.3 g

.         7%

.         Cholesterol

.         14 mg

.         5%

.         Fat

.         6.6 g

.         10%

.         Fiber

.         0.8 g

.         3%

.         Protein

.         5.4 g

.         11%

.         Sodium

.         273 mg

.         11%

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

 

 



From limestonelady at samobile.net  Thu Mar 28 01:13:51 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: f4c80d36-5d3e-41ab-abad-01ee8eb9ccea@samobile.net

Yes. I have a friend who has had, not the stapling, but the more severe 
surgery, and she is no longer a diabetic.
Linda.



From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Mar 28 01:36:07 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:36:07 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
In-Reply-To: f4c80d36-5d3e-41ab-abad-01ee8eb9ccea@samobile.net
References: f4c80d36-5d3e-41ab-abad-01ee8eb9ccea@samobile.net
Message-ID: <00c401ce2b54$9f68dd20$de3a9760$@panix.com>

I have many concerns about such procedures; we don't really know the
long-term effects (success or failure in remission of diabetes) from these
procedures and we *do* know that a fair number of people who've had such
procedures end up with serious complications.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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limestone lady
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:14 PM
To: wlewis19 at cox.net
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Yes. I have a friend who has had, not the stapling, but the more severe
surgery, and she is no longer a diabetic.
Linda.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Mar 28 01:42:14 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:42:14 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP881D319D47AE727BA55611C4D10@phx.gbl>
References: <12A436112BB34E6EB9B3596AF357572B@SandiPC>
	<BLU0-SMTP881D319D47AE727BA55611C4D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c701ce2b55$79cd1120$6d673360$@panix.com>

Hey! No need for guilt trips. Were your son blind, would you have a guilt
trip?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:56 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks

Thanks. I try.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:05 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Yes, that is a hard lesson many people learn.  You live right, do
everything 
you can to make everything good, and still things happen.  It's
especially 
hard when it's happening to your child, and I understand mother's guilt,
but 
you don't need to feel it!  I think you're an awesome Mom!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


>I was pretty dedicated to doing everything possible to make my 
>pregnancy  and delivery successful. I exercised, didn't indulge, ate 
>organic and as  healthy as possible, avoided caffeine, tested a million

>times a day,  adjusted pump rates as needed and so much more. And 
>Declan was born with  complications. Not necessarily connected to me, 
>but still, mother's  guilt and all...
>
> He's completely recovered and healthy, but sometimes things happen 
> despite your best efforts.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Wow!  I bet you did walk around going "slosh, slosh!"  Good for you, 
> though! I don't think I could give up my morning cup of coffee, even 
> for a precious
> bundle of joy!  Actually, though, at the time they were born, I didn't
> drink
> much coffee.  I've always thought our second son was born six weeks
> early
> because, on the Sunday before he came, I drank two cups of coffee,
then
> didn't sleep until Thursday night!  He was born early the next Sunday
> morning.  Who knows--but it was a long time before I drank coffee
again!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We 
>> do
>
>> drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a 
>> day was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't 
>> drink any caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to 
>> 120 oz. of water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get 
>> back
>
>> to drinking more water in a day.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause 
>> this,
>
>> but because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is 
>> that it changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, 
>> leading to more weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin 
>> resistance is a precursos to diabetes Type 2.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet 
>>> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>>>
>>> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously

>>> a
>>
>>> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several

>>> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They 
>>> both
>
>>> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors 
>>> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>>
>>>
>>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when 
>>> processed.
>>
>>> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually 
>>> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have 
>>> to
>>
>>> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know 
>>> this....
>>>
>>> Denise M Robinson
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of 
>>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this 
>>>> is
>
>>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's 
>>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, 
>>>> and
>>
>>>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always 
>>>> assumed
>>
>>>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess 
>>>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
>>>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a

>>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches 
>>>> of chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup 
>>>> coffeemaker and
>>> a
>>>> tiny
>>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local 
>>>> grocery
>
>>>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went 
>>>> out to a local restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and 
>>>> any
>>
>>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge 
>>>> is
>
>>>> an even better idea.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle 
>>>> of
>>
>>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an 
>>>> English
>>>
>>>> muffin, etc.
>>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly 
>>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for 
>>>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure 
>>>> the
>
>>>> trick for me
>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge 
>>>> portions,
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what 
>>>> you
>>>
>>>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French 
>>>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack 
>>>>> food,
>>
>>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>>> brought
>>>>
>>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and 
>>>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out 
>>>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every 
>>>>> meal,
>>
>>>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what 
>>>>> you prefer. Most
>>>
>>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if 
>>>>> you
>>
>>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it 
>>>>> needs
>>
>>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as 
>>>>> well,
>
>>>>> smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Food food food,
>>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he 
>>>>> does
>
>>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and 
>>>>> potatoes.
>>>
>>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial 
>>>>> for
>
>>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How 
>>>>> much
>>
>>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough 
>>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can 
>>>>> go
>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>>>>>> "granola
>>>>>
>>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had 
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>
>>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
>>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green

>>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
>>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late 
>>>>>> as
>>
>>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
>>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a 
>>>>>> healthy
>>>
>>>>>> cow.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin 
>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>> us?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, 
>>>>>> it's
>>>>
>>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any

>>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>> America,
>>>>
>>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives 
>>>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many 
>>>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or 
>>>>>> laws
>>
>>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a 
>>>>>> Federal
>>
>>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or 
>>>>>> other
>
>>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very 
>>>>>> few
>
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>>>>>> safest,
>>>>>
>>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The 
>>>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about 
>>>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to

>>>>>>> why
>>>>
>>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that 
>>>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat

>>>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it 
>>>>>>> in
>
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have 
>>>>>>> screwed
>
>>>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that

>>>>>>> the problem
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and 
>>>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which

>>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>>>>> withover
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>>>>>> between
>
>>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target 
>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists 
>>>>>>>> would
>
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same 
>>>>>>>> thing!
>
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while 
>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>> fat
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day! 
>>>>>>>> We're
>>
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more 
>>>>>>>> fat.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without 
>>>>>>>> limit!
>>
>>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in 
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, 
>>>>>>>> diabetics
>>>>
>>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," 
>>>>>>>> because
>
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? 
>>>>>>>>> There's
>
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd

>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to 
>>>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me 
>>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different

>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>>>>> you
>
>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually 
>>>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I

>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>>>>> pregnancy,
>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta 
>>>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>>
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>
>>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go

>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.

>>>>>>>>> Glad
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I 
>>>>>>>>>> told
>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a

>>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>> needs
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,

>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are

>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and 
>>>>>>>>>> lima,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is

>>>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I

>>>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't

>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it 
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>
>>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, 
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain

>>>>>>>>>> weight
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old

>>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and 
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>
>>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise 
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>>>>> finding
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>>>>> Somehow,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I 
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a 
>>>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm

>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity 
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>
>>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>>>>> blood
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of 
>>>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your 
>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  
>>>>>>>>>>> We've
>
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk 
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I

>>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I

>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
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From limestonelady at samobile.net  Thu Mar 28 01:49:29 2013
From: limestonelady at samobile.net (limestone lady)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:49:29 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
Message-ID: 28152d2c-8cec-4f49-bf68-96a9324c1cc7@samobile.net

Well, you know that obese people can go through a lot of hell, like the 
"all you have to do is push yourself away from the table" type of 
reaction, and my friend told me that rather than taking the easy way 
out, it's the hardest thing she ever did.
Our body produces a hormone called cortisol, and once you have this 
surgery, it doesn't produce it, and you have no cravings.
Doesn't it make you wonder if, there's still a lot to learn about food, 
diabetes, and why we who get these things do, and others can eat 
anything they want, with no problems?
Linda.



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 28 03:23:22 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:23:22 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter bread, recipe
In-Reply-To: <001d01ce2b4d$18381d90$48a858b0$@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP143DBD6DA0169D31C3EFF50C4D20@phx.gbl>

It wasn't an actual recipe. It was just a suggestion for all the oil
that collects at the top of peanut butter. Someone said to try turning
it on top of a piece of bread.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie Kline
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:42 PM
To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] peanut butter bread, recipe


Ok, so maybe the only part missing is the upside down part, unless you
count turning the bread out of the pan when you reach the last cooling
stage for it?  Well in any case, if there's a recipe out there, I'd
probably be the one to find it.  Enjoy.

 

Peanut Butter Bread

Original recipe makes 1 loaf  <javascript:void(0);> Change Servings 

Makes servings US Metric  <javascript:void(0)> Adjust Recipe (
<http://allrecipes.com/help/recipeinfo/scaling.aspx> Help) 

.         

CriscoR Original No-Stick Cooking Spray 

.         

2 cups Pillsbury BESTR All Purpose Flour 

.         

1/2 cup sugar 

.         

2 teaspoons baking powder 

.         

1 teaspoon salt 

.         

3/4 cup JIFR Creamy Peanut Butter 

.         

1 large egg, beaten 

.         

1 cup milk 

Directions

1.     Heat oven to 350 degrees F. Spray a 9x3x5-inch loaf pan with
no-stick
cooking spray.

2.     Mix flour, sugar, baking powder and salt in large bowl.

3.     Cut in peanut butter with a fork. Add egg and milk; stir just
enough
to moisten dry ingredients. Pour into prepared pan.

4.     Bake 60 minutes or until wooden pick inserted near center comes
out
clean. Cool in pan 10 minutes. Invert and remove loaf to cooling rack.

*	PREP 10 mins 
*	COOK 1 hr 
*	READY IN 1 hr 10 mins 

Nutrition

.         Calories

.         163 kcal

.         8%

.         Carbohydrates

.         21.3 g

.         7%

.         Cholesterol

.         14 mg

.         5%

.         Fat

.         6.6 g

.         10%

.         Fiber

.         0.8 g

.         3%

.         Protein

.         5.4 g

.         11%

.         Sodium

.         273 mg

.         11%

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

 

 

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 28 03:24:39 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:24:39 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
In-Reply-To: <00c701ce2b55$79cd1120$6d673360$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1469137B6252B0065739BCDC4D20@phx.gbl>

Well, true, but don't parents usually feel guilty over something in a
kid's lifetime?

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:42 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Hey! No need for guilt trips. Were your son blind, would you have a
guilt trip?

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:56 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks

Thanks. I try.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:05 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


Yes, that is a hard lesson many people learn.  You live right, do
everything 
you can to make everything good, and still things happen.  It's
especially 
hard when it's happening to your child, and I understand mother's guilt,
but 
you don't need to feel it!  I think you're an awesome Mom!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks


>I was pretty dedicated to doing everything possible to make my
>pregnancy  and delivery successful. I exercised, didn't indulge, ate 
>organic and as  healthy as possible, avoided caffeine, tested a million

>times a day,  adjusted pump rates as needed and so much more. And
>Declan was born with  complications. Not necessarily connected to me, 
>but still, mother's  guilt and all...
>
> He's completely recovered and healthy, but sometimes things happen
> despite your best efforts.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> Wow!  I bet you did walk around going "slosh, slosh!"  Good for you,
> though! I don't think I could give up my morning cup of coffee, even 
> for a precious
> bundle of joy!  Actually, though, at the time they were born, I didn't
> drink
> much coffee.  I've always thought our second son was born six weeks
> early
> because, on the Sunday before he came, I drank two cups of coffee,
then
> didn't sleep until Thursday night!  He was born early the next Sunday 
> morning.  Who knows--but it was a long time before I drank coffee
again!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
>> If any, it's usually a 8 oz. can a day, but often I drink water. We
>> do
>
>> drink Crystal Light though. While pregnant, they said 1 8 oz. can a
>> day was fine, or really any 8 oz. caffeinated drink, but I didn't 
>> drink any caffeine for the entire nine months. I was drinking up to 
>> 120 oz. of water a day. I felt like a fish, giggle. I need to get 
>> back
>
>> to drinking more water in a day.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>> I don't think that even a couple of diet sodas a day would cause
>> this,
>
>> but because people drink so much, it can do it.  And the problem is
>> that it changes the way your body metabolizes other foods, too, 
>> leading to more weight gain than would be expected.  And insulin 
>> resistance is a precursos to diabetes Type 2.
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>
>>
>>> I've heard of this. I have never experienced weight gain from diet
>>> drinks, but I have heard that this this is possible.
>>>
>>> My mother-in-law is addicted to diet Coke. Like where it's seriously

>>> a
>>
>>> problem. She can't go long without one, and she goes through several

>>> 12 packs in a week. My mom is similar but not quite as bad. They
>>> both
>
>>> also complain about not losing weight, and while many factors
>>> contribute to this, perhaps the diet soda is one factor.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Denise Robinson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:33 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>>>
>>>
>>> Artificial sweetners  turn to formaldehyde in the body when
>>> processed.
>>
>>> The by products in them also make you crave them. They can actually
>>> contribute to weight gain. Tons of research on it but you will have 
>>> to
>>
>>> do digging on it as the diet companies do not want you to know
>>> this....
>>>
>>> Denise M Robinson
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:09 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>>>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this 
>>>> is
>
>>>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>>>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt 
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,
>>>> and
>>
>>>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
>>>> assumed
>>
>>>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>>>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd 
>>>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a

>>>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches
>>>> of chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup 
>>>> coffeemaker and
>>> a
>>>> tiny
>>>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local
>>>> grocery
>
>>>> stores and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went
>>>> out to a local restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and
>>>> any
>>
>>>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge
>>>> is
>
>>>> an even better idea.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle
>>>> of
>>
>>>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an
>>>> English
>>>
>>>> muffin, etc.
>>>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>>>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for 
>>>> lunch, or a grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure 
>>>> the
>
>>>> trick for me
>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge
>>>> portions,
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what
>>>> you
>>>
>>>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>>>> fries and sugary drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack
>>>>> food,
>>
>>>>> and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
>>> brought
>>>>
>>>>> things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>>>>> lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out 
>>>>> prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every 
>>>>> meal,
>>
>>>>> while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what
>>>>> you prefer. Most
>>>
>>>>> rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if
>>>>> you
>>
>>>>> request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it
>>>>> needs
>>
>>>>> to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as
>>>>> well,
>
>>>>> smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Food food food,
>>>>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>>>>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>>>>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he
>>>>> does
>
>>>>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
>>>>> potatoes.
>>>
>>>>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial
>>>>> for
>
>>>>> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How
>>>>> much
>>
>>>>> cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>>>>> until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can 
>>>>> go
>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>>>>> "granola
>>>>>
>>>>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>
>>>>>> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>>>>>> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green

>>>>>> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>>>>>> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late 
>>>>>> as
>>
>>>>>> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>>>>>> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a 
>>>>>> healthy
>>>
>>>>>> cow.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin
>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>> us?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>
>>>>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any

>>>>>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>> America,
>>>>
>>>>>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>>>>>> and synthetic crap.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or
>>>>>> laws
>>
>>>>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a
>>>>>> Federal
>>
>>>>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>>>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or 
>>>>>> other
>
>>>>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very
>>>>>> few
>
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>>>>> safest,
>>>>>
>>>>>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
>>>>>> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about 
>>>>>> additives, but things we consider
>>>>>> food!) are just scary!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to

>>>>>>> why
>>>>
>>>>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>>>>>>> shouldn't have  ever happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat

>>>>>>> is the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it
>>>>>>> in
>
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>>>>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have 
>>>>>>> screwed
>
>>>>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that

>>>>>>> the problem
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>>>>>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier
>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which

>>>>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>>>>> withover
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link
>>>>>>>> between
>
>>>>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target
>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists
>>>>>>>> would
>
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same
>>>>>>>> thing!
>
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while
>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>> fat
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!
>>>>>>>> We're
>>
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more 
>>>>>>>> fat.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without
>>>>>>>> limit!
>>
>>>>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in
>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>>>>>>>> diabetics
>>>>
>>>>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods,"
>>>>>>>> because
>
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat?
>>>>>>>>> There's
>
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd

>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>>>>>>>>> say with the
>>>>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me
>>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different

>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when
>>>>>>>>> you
>
>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>>>>>>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I

>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>>>>>>>> pregnancy,
>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>>>>>>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>>
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I
>>>>>>>>> am
>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>
>>>>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go

>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.

>>>>>>>>> Glad
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I
>>>>>>>>>> told
>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a

>>>>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>> needs
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,

>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are

>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>>>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and
>>>>>>>>>> lima,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is

>>>>>>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I

>>>>>>>>>> do allow
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't

>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>
>>>>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips--
>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain

>>>>>>>>>> weight
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old

>>>>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and 
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>
>>>>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>>>>> finding
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>>>>>>>>>> Somehow,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>>>>>>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm

>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>
>>>>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>>>>> blood
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>>>>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>>>>>>>>>>> drug is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your
>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.
>>>>>>>>>>> We've
>
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I

>>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I

>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account

>>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/rshel
>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>>> 0gmail
>>>>>>>>>>> .com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account

>>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dm
>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>>>> sa
>>>>>>>>>> mo
>>>>>>>>>> bile.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>>>  FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>> info
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpoll
>>>>>>> p
>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>> r
>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>>>> 40
>>>>>>>>>> hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>> info
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmg
>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>>> amo
>>>>>>>>> bile.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>>>> info
>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollp
>>>>>> e
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> e
>>>>>> r
>>>>>>>>> %40
>>>>>>>>> hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>>>> info
>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7ui
>>>>>>>> j
>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> p
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>> ix.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>>>> info
>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjry
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>> mail.c
>>>>>>>> om
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>>> info
>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%4
>>>>> 0
>>>>> p
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>> ix.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>>> info
>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjrya
>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>> 0
>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>> ma
>>>>>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>> info
>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpet
>>>> e
>>>> r
>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>> 40
>>>>>>> hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>>>>>> info
>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> %
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> 0
>>>>>> g
>>>>>> ma
>>>>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpete
>>> r
>>>>>> %
>>>>>> 40
>>>>>> hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40p
>>> a
>>>>>> n
>>>>>> ix.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for
>>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmgina%
>>>>> 4
>>>>> 0
>>>>> s
>>>>> a
>>>>> mo
>>>>> bile.net
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpete
>>> r
>>> %
>>>>> 40
>>>>> hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan2%
>>>> 4
>>>> 0
>>>> g
>>>> ma
>>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter
>>>> %
>>>> 40
>>>> hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/deniserob%
>>>> 4
>>>> 0gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter
>>> %
>>> 40
>>> hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan2%40
>> g
>> ma
>> il.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk: 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter
>> %
>> 40
>> hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan2%40g
> ma
> il.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Diabetes-talk: 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter%
> 40
> hotmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Diabetes-talk:
>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/sjryan2%40gma
il.com
> 


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From amcclure at envisionamerica.com  Fri Mar 29 15:33:00 2013
From: amcclure at envisionamerica.com (Anna McClure)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Free i.d. mate Quest drawing
Message-ID: <008301ce2c92$b2a2e3b0$17e8ab10$@com>

En-Vision America is giving away a free i.d. mate Quest on Sunday, March
31st. Last chance to get your entries in for the drawing! 

Like "i.d. mate" on Facebook, share a link from the page, tag i.d. mate in
your status, or post a picture/video/story about i.d. mate on your wall -
each will earn an entry in the drawing. 

Enter as many times as you want! Good luck! 

 

Anna McClure

En-Vision America

 

 <https://www.facebook.com/pages/ID-Mate/128912343881298> I.D. Mate
<https://www.facebook.com/pages/ID-Mate/128912343881298> I.D. Mate on
Facebook 

 <https://www.facebook.com/ScripTalk> ScripTalk
<https://www.facebook.com/ScripTalk> ScripTalk on Facebook

 

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From mfscott at me.com  Sat Mar 30 00:49:08 2013
From: mfscott at me.com (Marshall Scott)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:49:08 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
Message-ID: <3929222B-C35E-4F75-B341-14F901B8AAC4@me.com>

Hi Folks,,

I'm a 62 year old  single man who is interested in computers, ham radio and reading who was recently diagnosed with diabetes.  I'm looking for information on the disease.  Can anyone give me mailing lists or web sites (besides the American Diabetes Association) that can give me more resources
Thanks

Marshall




From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 30 02:00:14 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <3929222B-C35E-4F75-B341-14F901B8AAC4@me.com>
References: <3929222B-C35E-4F75-B341-14F901B8AAC4@me.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01ce2cea$528f1040$f7ad30c0$@panix.com>

Welcome to our list. I'll send you off-list in word form a booklet NFB's
diabetes Action Network put out a few years ago, "Bridging the Gap: Living
with Blindness and Diabetes". Some of us in the profiles are a bit older but
the medical advice and techniques are still very-much valid.

Also, take a look at my personal page, <http://www.panix.com/~k7uij> where
there are a bunch of links to useful diabetes-related web sites. A couple of
the links may be broken (I haven't updated the page for a while) but most
still work and have great information. Also, go to <http://www.nfb.org> and
put "diabetes" in the search box. You'll get more hits than you may want to
read. The alias <http://www.VoiceOfTheDiabetic.org> has some past issues of
the "Voice of the diabetic" which we used to publish before it became too
expensive.

I'd also recommend going to the BARD site and downloading DB-64186 (I think)
which is "The first Year: Type Two Diabetes; A Guide for the
Newly-diagnosed". That's one of the best easy-to-read introductory books of
which I know; it also discusses more sophisticated aspects of controlling
diabetes than most introductory books do and it presumes you are
intelligent. You'll find a ton of other diabetes-oriented books on BARD,
Learning Ally and Bookshare also.

HTH!

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Marshall Scott
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:49 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction

Hi Folks,,

I'm a 62 year old  single man who is interested in computers, ham radio and
reading who was recently diagnosed with diabetes.  I'm looking for
information on the disease.  Can anyone give me mailing lists or web sites
(besides the American Diabetes Association) that can give me more resources
Thanks

Marshall


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From debbiewunder at centurytel.net  Sat Mar 30 13:41:20 2013
From: debbiewunder at centurytel.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
References: <3929222B-C35E-4F75-B341-14F901B8AAC4@me.com>
Message-ID: <C894BCF3F7CB461CBC810C1C2F216A2B@DEBBIECOMPUTER>

Hello Marshall, welcome to our list. My name is Debbie Wunder, and I am the 
President of the DAN of Missouri. Where do you live?

There are many people on this list with much knowledge about diabetes.

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marshall Scott" <mfscott at me.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:49 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction


> Hi Folks,,
>
> I'm a 62 year old  single man who is interested in computers, ham radio 
> and reading who was recently diagnosed with diabetes.  I'm looking for 
> information on the disease.  Can anyone give me mailing lists or web sites 
> (besides the American Diabetes Association) that can give me more 
> resources
> Thanks
>
> Marshall
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> Diabetes-talk:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/debbiewunder%40centurytel.net
> 




From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Mar 30 14:10:29 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
	Containers:	Ordering	Information
Message-ID: <000e01ce2d50$55d159a0$01740ce0$@panix.com>

From: Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue Ammeter
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
Subject: [Wcb-l] FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers: Ordering
Information

 

Walmart Expands Program to Provide Talking Prescription Containers

Need information about how to order Talking Prescription Containers for
prescription medication obtained from Walmart? You'll find everything you
need in this post. In June, 2012, Walmart became the first national pharmacy
retailer to offer Talking Prescription Containers free of charge to persons
with visual impairments. The ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is being
offered to customers across the country through Walmart mail order. In
addition to the national mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk at
33 stores around the country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is available,
as well as instructions for ordering, appear below. Read the June, 2012
Walmart press release announcing its ScripTalk initiative.

Information you need to order Talking Prescription Containers from Walmart

. To order ScripTalk talking prescription containers for use with
prescription medications obtained from Walmart, you must first contact
Walmart. For mail order, Walmart has a dedicated toll free phone line for
ScripTalk requests. The toll free number is 1-888-227-3403. You may also
contact any of the stores listed below directly for information on receiving
ScripTalk containers from those stores.

. To listen to the talking label provided by Walmart, you will need reading
device from Envision America, the company that makes ScripTalk. The device
is called the ScripTalk reader (or the ScripTalk machine or device) and is
available free of charge to Walmart pharmacy customers who are blind. After
you have contacted Walmart, you will need to contact Envision America to
order your device. Envision America has a dedicated toll-free line for
requests, and for general ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free
Envision America number is 1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)

. You only need to order the device once: it will work with any Talking
Prescription label you receive from Walmart.

. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription labels in
thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this post. As
with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart store (for the
prescription medication) and Envision America (for the ScripTalk reader).

. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's store is not
yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to request that
the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please use the Contact
form on this Website to let us know if you have made a request.

 

We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription
Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, please
use the Contact Form on this website. To contact co-counsel at Goldstein,
Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.

Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is Available

Walmart customers across the United States can order ScripTalk Talking
Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by calling
1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available at the
following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will need to
contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to obtain the ScripTalk
reader.)

Walmart #432
214 Haynes St
Talladega, Alabama 35160
Local Phone: 256-761-1819

Walmart #2113
1607 W Bethany Home Rd
Phoenix, Arizona 85015
Local Phone: 602-246-6601

Walmart #2280
600 Showers Dr
Mountain View, California 94040
Local Phone: 650-971-0878

Walmart #2598
3661 Truxel Rd
Sacramento, California 95834
Local Phone: 916-928-9673

Walmart #2751
601 Englewood Pkwy
Englewood, Colorado 80110
Local Phone: 303-789-7209

Walmart #3125
3615 W Bowles Ave
Littleton, Colorado 80123
Local Phone: 303-218-4879

Sam's Club #8120
3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
Tallahassee, Florida 32301
Local Phone: 850-671-2711

Sam's Club #8138
1175 Beville Rd
Daytona Beach, Florida 32119
Local Phone: 386-760-3078

Walmart #3235
1425 NE 163rd St
North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
Local Phone: 305-949-5451

Walmart #4520
4021 Lagniappe Way
Tallahassee, Florida 32317
Local Phone: 850-656-7211

Walmart #579
2355 US Highway 1 S
St. Augustine, Florida 32086
Local Phone: 904-794-4134

Walmart #5854
8400 Coral Way
Miami, Florida 33155
Local Phone: 305-351-9519

Walmart #3210
2760 No. Dirksen Pkwy
Springfield, Illinois 62702
Local Phone: 217-522-4054

Walmart #1580
10617 E Washington St
Indianapolis, Indiana 46229
Local Phone: 317-895-0316

Walmart #5991
3137 S Seneca St
Wichita, Kansas 67207
Local Phone: 316-361-3351

Walmart #1206
3132 College Dr
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
Local Phone: 225-952-0776

Walmart #2867
3225 Towne Center Blvd
Lansing, Michigan 48912
Local Phone: 517-487-9161

Walmart #2939
200 Marketplace Drive
Richland, Mississippi 39218
Local Phone: 601-939-2958

Walmart #391
2270 W Main St
Tupelo, Mississippi 38801
Local Phone: 662-842-9375

Walmart #1014
4000 S Bolger Rd
Independence, Missouri 64055
Local Phone: 816-478-3975

Walmart #1872
2750 Prospect Ave
Helena, Montana 59601
Local Phone: 406-443-3455

Walmart #2593
2310 E Serene Ave
Las Vegas, Nevada 89123
Local Phone: 702-270-7837

Walmart #5178
220 Enterprise Dr
Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
Local Phone: 973-361-6709

Walmart #2210
3290 Sheridan Dr
Amherst, New York 14226
Local Phone: 716-691-0738

Walmart #2058
1725 New Hope Church Rd
Raleigh, North Carolina 27609
Local Phone: 919-790-9856

Walmart #2552
4200 SE 82nd Ave
Portland, Oregon 97266
Local Phone: 503-788-0400

Walmart #2141
1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19148
Local Phone: 215-468-4230

Walmart #1183
2401 Augusta Rd
West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
Local Phone: 803-791-8114

Walmart #2625
1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
Carrollton, Texas 75006
888-227-3403
Mail Order Center

Walmart #4554
2525 W Anderson Ln
Austin, Texas 78757
Local Phone: 512-354-8904

Walmart #651
4145 Dowlen Rd
Beaumont, Texas 77706
Local Phone: 409-899-3615

Sam's Club #6686
300 W 1905 S
Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
Local Phone: 801-478-1695

Walmart #5753
6303 Richmond Hwy
Alexandria, Virginia 22306
Local Phone: 703-253-9908

Walmart #5697
7025 W. Main St
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53214
Local Phone: 414-203-0683

Walmart #2625
1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
Carrollton, Texas 75006
Phone: 972-323-4600

We welcome your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription Container
initiative. To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, please use the
Contact Form on this website. To contact co-counsel at Goldstein, Borgen,
Dardarian and Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.

 

Lainey Feingold

Law Office of Lainey Feingold

http://LFLegal.com

510.548.5062

LF at LFLegal.com

http://twitter.com/LFLegal

 

Linda Dardarian
Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian & Ho
www.gbdhlegal.com
510.763.9800
LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com

 

 

 

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From wlewis19 at cox.net  Sat Mar 30 15:06:24 2013
From: wlewis19 at cox.net (Bill Lewis)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:06:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <C894BCF3F7CB461CBC810C1C2F216A2B@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
References: <3929222B-C35E-4F75-B341-14F901B8AAC4@me.com>
	<C894BCF3F7CB461CBC810C1C2F216A2B@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
Message-ID: <F0D2FC3C8D9F475888233CC6E9BC1B5B@BillPC>


Marshall, to learn about diabetes, start with the common resources, then 
move outward, if necessary.  But begin with your regional talking book 
library.  There are dozens of books and some good magazines there.  Also, if 
you are signed up for BARD searches and downloads, they carry Diabetes 
Forecast monthly magazine.  But in my experience, I found more than I need 
to know from the TB library.

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes ten years ago and am doing fine 
because of the good info available.  --  Bill Lewis, Wichita




-----Original Message----- 
From: Debbie Wunder
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction

Hello Marshall, welcome to our list. My name is Debbie Wunder, and I am the
President of the DAN of Missouri. Where do you live?

There are many people on this list with much knowledge about diabetes.

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marshall Scott" <mfscott at me.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:49 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction


> Hi Folks,,
>
> I'm a 62 year old  single man who is interested in computers, ham radio 
> and reading who was recently diagnosed with diabetes.  I'm looking for 
> information on the disease.  Can anyone give me mailing lists or web sites 
> (besides the American Diabetes Association) that can give me more 
> resources
> Thanks
>
> Marshall
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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From everett at everettgavel.com  Sat Mar 30 19:57:07 2013
From: everett at everettgavel.com (Everett Gavel)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:57:07 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
References: <mailman.27.1364662812.22391.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <FD6358E390DA4E5AB96A449CAACABDDB@Lisa>

Hi Marshall, and all,

Hey Marshall, welcome to the list. Your e-mail 
address gives no inclination as to your location, 
so I'm just asking, might you be from Colorado? 
The reason I ask is that I looked into starting a 
Diabetes Action Network here in the past year, but 
got almost no response from anyone interested. 
Most who wished to help were not even in Colorado, 
sadly -- although I do have a few here willing to 
help. Anyway, just checking, y'know? Sooner or 
later there might be a good amount of interested 
people here, I figure. Not giving up hope yet, 
anyway. ;-)

Strive On!
Everett
In Colorado Springs, CO
everett at everettgavel.com


----- original message ----- 
From: Marshall Scott <mfscott at me.com>
Hi Folks,,
I'm a 62 year old  single man who is interested in 
computers, ham radio and reading who was recently 
diagnosed with diabetes.  I'm looking for 
information on the disease.  Can anyone give me 
mailing lists or web sites (besides the American 
Diabetes Association) that can give me more 
resources
Thanks
Marshall





From debbiewunder at centurytel.net  Sun Mar 31 02:29:17 2013
From: debbiewunder at centurytel.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
References: <3929222B-C35E-4F75-B341-14F901B8AAC4@me.com>
	<C894BCF3F7CB461CBC810C1C2F216A2B@DEBBIECOMPUTER>
	<F0D2FC3C8D9F475888233CC6E9BC1B5B@BillPC>
Message-ID: <B4C0AC6F9051476CBB00DC01F9E970A7@DEBBIECOMPUTER>

Bridging the Gap is a good recourse
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Lewis" <wlewis19 at cox.net>
To: "Debbie Wunder" <debbiewunder at centurytel.net>; "Diabetes Talk for the 
Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction


>
> Marshall, to learn about diabetes, start with the common resources, then 
> move outward, if necessary.  But begin with your regional talking book 
> library.  There are dozens of books and some good magazines there.  Also, 
> if you are signed up for BARD searches and downloads, they carry Diabetes 
> Forecast monthly magazine.  But in my experience, I found more than I need 
> to know from the TB library.
>
> I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes ten years ago and am doing fine 
> because of the good info available.  --  Bill Lewis, Wichita
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Debbie Wunder
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:41 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
>
> Hello Marshall, welcome to our list. My name is Debbie Wunder, and I am 
> the
> President of the DAN of Missouri. Where do you live?
>
> There are many people on this list with much knowledge about diabetes.
>
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marshall Scott" <mfscott at me.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:49 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Introduction
>
>
>> Hi Folks,,
>>
>> I'm a 62 year old  single man who is interested in computers, ham radio 
>> and reading who was recently diagnosed with diabetes.  I'm looking for 
>> information on the disease.  Can anyone give me mailing lists or web 
>> sites (besides the American Diabetes Association) that can give me more 
>> resources
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> Diabetes-talk:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/debbiewunder%40centurytel.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> Diabetes-talk:
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From Blindhands at aol.com  Sun Mar 31 15:39:26 2013
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
	Containers: Order...
Message-ID: <b223.487322d2.3e89b2ae@aol.com>

This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any  
prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies, except  
WalMart.
 
Does this not sound wrong?
 
Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
Blindhands at AOL.com   

 
In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k7uij at panix.com writes:


From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue Ammeter
Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:  Ordering
Information



Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers

Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers for
prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find everything you
need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the first national 
pharmacy
retailer to offer Talking  Prescription Containers free of charge to persons
with visual impairments.  The ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is 
being
offered to customers  across the country through Walmart mail order. In
addition to the national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk 
at
33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is 
available,
as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read the June, 2012
Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk initiative.

Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from Walmart

. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first contact
Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free phone line for
ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is 1-888-227-3403. You may also
contact any of the stores  listed below directly for information on 
receiving
ScripTalk containers  from those stores.

. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need reading
device from Envision America, the company  that makes ScripTalk. The device
is called the ScripTalk reader (or the  ScripTalk machine or device) and is
available free of charge to Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After
you have contacted Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to
order your device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for
requests, and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free
Envision America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)

. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any Talking
Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.

. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels in
thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this  post. As
with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart store  (for the
prescription medication) and Envision America (for the ScripTalk  reader).

. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store is not
yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to  request that
the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please use  the Contact
form on this Website to let us know if you have made a  request.



We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold, please
use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at Goldstein,
Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at  1-800-822-5000.

Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available

Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk Talking
Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at the
following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will need  to
contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to obtain the  
ScripTalk
reader.)

Walmart #432
214 Haynes St
Talladega,  Alabama 35160
Local Phone: 256-761-1819

Walmart #2113
1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
Phoenix, Arizona 85015
Local Phone:  602-246-6601

Walmart #2280
600 Showers Dr
Mountain View,  California 94040
Local Phone: 650-971-0878

Walmart #2598
3661  Truxel Rd
Sacramento, California 95834
Local Phone:  916-928-9673

Walmart #2751
601 Englewood Pkwy
Englewood, Colorado  80110
Local Phone: 303-789-7209

Walmart #3125
3615 W Bowles  Ave
Littleton, Colorado 80123
Local Phone: 303-218-4879

Sam's  Club #8120
3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
Tallahassee, Florida 32301
Local  Phone: 850-671-2711

Sam's Club #8138
1175 Beville Rd
Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
Local Phone: 386-760-3078

Walmart #3235
1425  NE 163rd St
North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
Local Phone:  305-949-5451

Walmart #4520
4021 Lagniappe Way
Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
Local Phone: 850-656-7211

Walmart #579
2355 US  Highway 1 S
St. Augustine, Florida 32086
Local Phone:  904-794-4134

Walmart #5854
8400 Coral Way
Miami, Florida  33155
Local Phone: 305-351-9519

Walmart #3210
2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
Springfield, Illinois 62702
Local Phone:  217-522-4054

Walmart #1580
10617 E Washington St
Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
Local Phone: 317-895-0316

Walmart #5991
3137 S  Seneca St
Wichita, Kansas 67207
Local Phone: 316-361-3351

Walmart  #1206
3132 College Dr
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
Local Phone:  225-952-0776

Walmart #2867
3225 Towne Center Blvd
Lansing,  Michigan 48912
Local Phone: 517-487-9161

Walmart #2939
200  Marketplace Drive
Richland, Mississippi 39218
Local Phone:  601-939-2958

Walmart #391
2270 W Main St
Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
Local Phone: 662-842-9375

Walmart #1014
4000 S Bolger  Rd
Independence, Missouri 64055
Local Phone: 816-478-3975

Walmart  #1872
2750 Prospect Ave
Helena, Montana 59601
Local Phone:  406-443-3455

Walmart #2593
2310 E Serene Ave
Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
Local Phone: 702-270-7837

Walmart #5178
220 Enterprise  Dr
Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
Local Phone: 973-361-6709

Walmart  #2210
3290 Sheridan Dr
Amherst, New York 14226
Local Phone:  716-691-0738

Walmart #2058
1725 New Hope Church Rd
Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
Local Phone: 919-790-9856

Walmart #2552
4200 SE  82nd Ave
Portland, Oregon 97266
Local Phone: 503-788-0400

Walmart  #2141
1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
Local Phone: 215-468-4230

Walmart #1183
2401 Augusta  Rd
West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
Local Phone:  803-791-8114

Walmart #2625
1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
Carrollton,  Texas 75006
888-227-3403
Mail Order Center

Walmart #4554
2525  W Anderson Ln
Austin, Texas 78757
Local Phone:  512-354-8904

Walmart #651
4145 Dowlen Rd
Beaumont, Texas  77706
Local Phone: 409-899-3615

Sam's Club #6686
300 W 1905  S
Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
Local Phone: 801-478-1695

Walmart  #5753
6303 Richmond Hwy
Alexandria, Virginia 22306
Local Phone:  703-253-9908

Walmart #5697
7025 W. Main St
Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
Local Phone: 414-203-0683

Walmart #2625
1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
Carrollton, Texas 75006
Phone: 972-323-4600

We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription Container
initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, please use the
Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at Goldstein, Borgen,
Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.



Lainey  Feingold

Law Office of Lainey  Feingold

http://LFLegal.com

510.548.5062

LF at LFLegal.com

http://twitter.com/LFLegal



Linda  Dardarian
Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
www.gbdhlegal.com
510.763.9800
LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com







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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 31 15:49:44 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:49:44 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking
	Prescription	Containers: Order...
In-Reply-To: <b223.487322d2.3e89b2ae@aol.com>
References: <b223.487322d2.3e89b2ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce2e27$5daf39d0$190dad70$@panix.com>

Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to shop at
WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat many of its
employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the few, I guess, who
is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking prescription equipment.
But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.

As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business with whom
they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't like. We'd have
to secure passage of a law to force them to do otherwise and we'd never get
it passed.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
Containers: Order...

This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any  
prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies, except  
WalMart.
 
Does this not sound wrong?
 
Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
Blindhands at AOL.com   

 
In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k7uij at panix.com writes:


From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue Ammeter
Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:  Ordering
Information



Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers

Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers for
prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find everything you
need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the first national 
pharmacy
retailer to offer Talking  Prescription Containers free of charge to persons
with visual impairments.  The ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is 
being
offered to customers  across the country through Walmart mail order. In
addition to the national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk 
at
33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is 
available,
as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read the June, 2012
Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk initiative.

Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from Walmart

. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first contact
Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free phone line for
ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is 1-888-227-3403. You may also
contact any of the stores  listed below directly for information on 
receiving
ScripTalk containers  from those stores.

. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need reading
device from Envision America, the company  that makes ScripTalk. The device
is called the ScripTalk reader (or the  ScripTalk machine or device) and is
available free of charge to Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After
you have contacted Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to
order your device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for
requests, and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free
Envision America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)

. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any Talking
Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.

. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels in
thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this  post. As
with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart store  (for the
prescription medication) and Envision America (for the ScripTalk  reader).

. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store is not
yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to  request that
the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please use  the Contact
form on this Website to let us know if you have made a  request.



We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold, please
use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at Goldstein,
Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at  1-800-822-5000.

Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available

Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk Talking
Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at the
following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will need  to
contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to obtain the  
ScripTalk
reader.)

Walmart #432
214 Haynes St
Talladega,  Alabama 35160
Local Phone: 256-761-1819

Walmart #2113
1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
Phoenix, Arizona 85015
Local Phone:  602-246-6601

Walmart #2280
600 Showers Dr
Mountain View,  California 94040
Local Phone: 650-971-0878

Walmart #2598
3661  Truxel Rd
Sacramento, California 95834
Local Phone:  916-928-9673

Walmart #2751
601 Englewood Pkwy
Englewood, Colorado  80110
Local Phone: 303-789-7209

Walmart #3125
3615 W Bowles  Ave
Littleton, Colorado 80123
Local Phone: 303-218-4879

Sam's  Club #8120
3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
Tallahassee, Florida 32301
Local  Phone: 850-671-2711

Sam's Club #8138
1175 Beville Rd
Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
Local Phone: 386-760-3078

Walmart #3235
1425  NE 163rd St
North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
Local Phone:  305-949-5451

Walmart #4520
4021 Lagniappe Way
Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
Local Phone: 850-656-7211

Walmart #579
2355 US  Highway 1 S
St. Augustine, Florida 32086
Local Phone:  904-794-4134

Walmart #5854
8400 Coral Way
Miami, Florida  33155
Local Phone: 305-351-9519

Walmart #3210
2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
Springfield, Illinois 62702
Local Phone:  217-522-4054

Walmart #1580
10617 E Washington St
Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
Local Phone: 317-895-0316

Walmart #5991
3137 S  Seneca St
Wichita, Kansas 67207
Local Phone: 316-361-3351

Walmart  #1206
3132 College Dr
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
Local Phone:  225-952-0776

Walmart #2867
3225 Towne Center Blvd
Lansing,  Michigan 48912
Local Phone: 517-487-9161

Walmart #2939
200  Marketplace Drive
Richland, Mississippi 39218
Local Phone:  601-939-2958

Walmart #391
2270 W Main St
Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
Local Phone: 662-842-9375

Walmart #1014
4000 S Bolger  Rd
Independence, Missouri 64055
Local Phone: 816-478-3975

Walmart  #1872
2750 Prospect Ave
Helena, Montana 59601
Local Phone:  406-443-3455

Walmart #2593
2310 E Serene Ave
Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
Local Phone: 702-270-7837

Walmart #5178
220 Enterprise  Dr
Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
Local Phone: 973-361-6709

Walmart  #2210
3290 Sheridan Dr
Amherst, New York 14226
Local Phone:  716-691-0738

Walmart #2058
1725 New Hope Church Rd
Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
Local Phone: 919-790-9856

Walmart #2552
4200 SE  82nd Ave
Portland, Oregon 97266
Local Phone: 503-788-0400

Walmart  #2141
1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
Local Phone: 215-468-4230

Walmart #1183
2401 Augusta  Rd
West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
Local Phone:  803-791-8114

Walmart #2625
1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
Carrollton,  Texas 75006
888-227-3403
Mail Order Center

Walmart #4554
2525  W Anderson Ln
Austin, Texas 78757
Local Phone:  512-354-8904

Walmart #651
4145 Dowlen Rd
Beaumont, Texas  77706
Local Phone: 409-899-3615

Sam's Club #6686
300 W 1905  S
Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
Local Phone: 801-478-1695

Walmart  #5753
6303 Richmond Hwy
Alexandria, Virginia 22306
Local Phone:  703-253-9908

Walmart #5697
7025 W. Main St
Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
Local Phone: 414-203-0683

Walmart #2625
1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
Carrollton, Texas 75006
Phone: 972-323-4600

We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription Container
initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, please use the
Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at Goldstein, Borgen,
Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.



Lainey  Feingold

Law Office of Lainey  Feingold

http://LFLegal.com

510.548.5062

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http://twitter.com/LFLegal



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Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
www.gbdhlegal.com
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LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com







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From n8tnv at att.net  Sun Mar 31 17:42:28 2013
From: n8tnv at att.net (COLLEEN ROTH)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:42:28 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
	Order...
Message-ID: <20130331174228.n8tnv@att.net>

Hello,
There are other pharmacies which provide the Talking Prescriptions.
You might check with Envision America to see if they can tell you of a pharmacy in your area.
I would think they would be able to do this.
Colleen Roth



----- Original Message -----
From:  Blindhands at aol.com
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers: Order...

>
>
> This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any  
> prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies, except  
> WalMart.
>  
> Does this not sound wrong?
>  
> Joyce  Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
> Blindhands at AOL.com   
> 
>  
> In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> k7uij at panix.com writes:
> 
> 
> From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue Ammeter
> Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
> To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
> Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:  Ordering
> Information
> 
> 
> 
> Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers
> 
> Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers for
> prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find everything you
> need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the first national 
> pharmacy
> retailer to offer Talking  Prescription Containers free of charge to persons
> with visual impairments.  The ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is 
> being
> offered to customers  across the country through Walmart mail order. In
> addition to the national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk 
> at
> 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is 
> available,
> as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read the June, 2012
> Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk initiative.
> 
> Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from Walmart
> 
> .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
> prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first contact
> Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free phone line for
> ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is 1-888-227-3403. You may also
> contact any of the stores  listed below directly for information on 
> receiving
> ScripTalk containers  from those stores.
> 
> .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need reading
> device from Envision America, the company  that makes ScripTalk. The device
> is called the ScripTalk reader (or the  ScripTalk machine or device) and is
> available free of charge to Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After
> you have contacted Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to
> order your device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for
> requests, and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free
> Envision America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)
> 
> .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any Talking
> Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.
> 
> .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels in
> thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this  post. As
> with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart store  (for the
> prescription medication) and Envision America (for the ScripTalk  reader).
> 
> .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store is not
> yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to  request that
> the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please use  the Contact
> form on this Website to let us know if you have made a  request.
> 
> 
> 
> We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
> Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold, please
> use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at Goldstein,
> Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at  1-800-822-5000.
> 
> Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available
> 
> Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk Talking
> Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
> 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at the
> following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will need  to
> contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to obtain the  
> ScripTalk
> reader.)
> 
> Walmart #432
> 214 Haynes St
> Talladega,  Alabama 35160
> Local Phone: 256-761-1819
> 
> Walmart #2113
> 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
> Phoenix, Arizona 85015
> Local Phone:  602-246-6601
> 
> Walmart #2280
> 600 Showers Dr
> Mountain View,  California 94040
> Local Phone: 650-971-0878
> 
> Walmart #2598
> 3661  Truxel Rd
> Sacramento, California 95834
> Local Phone:  916-928-9673
> 
> Walmart #2751
> 601 Englewood Pkwy
> Englewood, Colorado  80110
> Local Phone: 303-789-7209
> 
> Walmart #3125
> 3615 W Bowles  Ave
> Littleton, Colorado 80123
> Local Phone: 303-218-4879
> 
> Sam's  Club #8120
> 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
> Tallahassee, Florida 32301
> Local  Phone: 850-671-2711
> 
> Sam's Club #8138
> 1175 Beville Rd
> Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
> Local Phone: 386-760-3078
> 
> Walmart #3235
> 1425  NE 163rd St
> North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
> Local Phone:  305-949-5451
> 
> Walmart #4520
> 4021 Lagniappe Way
> Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
> Local Phone: 850-656-7211
> 
> Walmart #579
> 2355 US  Highway 1 S
> St. Augustine, Florida 32086
> Local Phone:  904-794-4134
> 
> Walmart #5854
> 8400 Coral Way
> Miami, Florida  33155
> Local Phone: 305-351-9519
> 
> Walmart #3210
> 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
> Springfield, Illinois 62702
> Local Phone:  217-522-4054
> 
> Walmart #1580
> 10617 E Washington St
> Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
> Local Phone: 317-895-0316
> 
> Walmart #5991
> 3137 S  Seneca St
> Wichita, Kansas 67207
> Local Phone: 316-361-3351
> 
> Walmart  #1206
> 3132 College Dr
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
> Local Phone:  225-952-0776
> 
> Walmart #2867
> 3225 Towne Center Blvd
> Lansing,  Michigan 48912
> Local Phone: 517-487-9161
> 
> Walmart #2939
> 200  Marketplace Drive
> Richland, Mississippi 39218
> Local Phone:  601-939-2958
> 
> Walmart #391
> 2270 W Main St
> Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
> Local Phone: 662-842-9375
> 
> Walmart #1014
> 4000 S Bolger  Rd
> Independence, Missouri 64055
> Local Phone: 816-478-3975
> 
> Walmart  #1872
> 2750 Prospect Ave
> Helena, Montana 59601
> Local Phone:  406-443-3455
> 
> Walmart #2593
> 2310 E Serene Ave
> Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
> Local Phone: 702-270-7837
> 
> Walmart #5178
> 220 Enterprise  Dr
> Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
> Local Phone: 973-361-6709
> 
> Walmart  #2210
> 3290 Sheridan Dr
> Amherst, New York 14226
> Local Phone:  716-691-0738
> 
> Walmart #2058
> 1725 New Hope Church Rd
> Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
> Local Phone: 919-790-9856
> 
> Walmart #2552
> 4200 SE  82nd Ave
> Portland, Oregon 97266
> Local Phone: 503-788-0400
> 
> Walmart  #2141
> 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
> Local Phone: 215-468-4230
> 
> Walmart #1183
> 2401 Augusta  Rd
> West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
> Local Phone:  803-791-8114
> 
> Walmart #2625
> 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
> Carrollton,  Texas 75006
> 888-227-3403
> Mail Order Center
> 
> Walmart #4554
> 2525  W Anderson Ln
> Austin, Texas 78757
> Local Phone:  512-354-8904
> 
> Walmart #651
> 4145 Dowlen Rd
> Beaumont, Texas  77706
> Local Phone: 409-899-3615
> 
> Sam's Club #6686
> 300 W 1905  S
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
> Local Phone: 801-478-1695
> 
> Walmart  #5753
> 6303 Richmond Hwy
> Alexandria, Virginia 22306
> Local Phone:  703-253-9908
> 
> Walmart #5697
> 7025 W. Main St
> Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
> Local Phone: 414-203-0683
> 
> Walmart #2625
> 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
> Carrollton, Texas 75006
> Phone: 972-323-4600
> 
> We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription Container
> initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, please use the
> Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at Goldstein, Borgen,
> Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.
> 
> 
> 
> Lainey  Feingold
> 
> Law Office of Lainey  Feingold
> 
> http://LFLegal.com
> 
> 510.548.5062
> 
@> LF at LFLegal.com
> 
> http://twitter.com/LFLegal
> 
> 
> 
> Linda  Dardarian
> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
> www.gbdhlegal.com
> 510.763.9800
@> LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From n8tnv at att.net  Sun Mar 31 17:46:18 2013
From: n8tnv at att.net (COLLEEN ROTH)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:46:18 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
	Order...
Message-ID: <20130331174618.n8tnv@att.net>

Hi Mike,
Well for some people Talking Prescriptions work well.
I looked at something like this at the NFB of Ohio State Convention in 2011.
Each pill was in a separate flat package with thirty little slots.
You would have to read the particular package, dig out a Pill and go to the next one.
Personally I think Prescription Pill Bottles are easier.
For those who can't read braille and feel little things that would attach to the bottle this is a good thing.
I just do not have the patience for these kind of gadgets.
I did post your announcement on ohio-talk because I think some people will use it.
Colleen Roth



----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers: Order...

>
>
> Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to shop at
> WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat many of its
> employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the few, I guess, who
> is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking prescription equipment.
> But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.
> 
> As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business with whom
> they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't like. We'd have
> to secure passage of a law to force them to do otherwise and we'd never get
> it passed.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Blindhands at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> Containers: Order...
> 
> This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any  
> prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies, except  
> WalMart.
>  
> Does this not sound wrong?
>  
> Joyce  Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
> Blindhands at AOL.com   
> 
>  
> In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> k7uij at panix.com writes:
> 
> 
> From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue Ammeter
> Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
> To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
> Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:  Ordering
> Information
> 
> 
> 
> Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers
> 
> Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers for
> prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find everything you
> need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the first national 
> pharmacy
> retailer to offer Talking  Prescription Containers free of charge to persons
> with visual impairments.  The ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is 
> being
> offered to customers  across the country through Walmart mail order. In
> addition to the national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk 
> at
> 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is 
> available,
> as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read the June, 2012
> Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk initiative.
> 
> Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from Walmart
> 
> .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
> prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first contact
> Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free phone line for
> ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is 1-888-227-3403. You may also
> contact any of the stores  listed below directly for information on 
> receiving
> ScripTalk containers  from those stores.
> 
> .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need reading
> device from Envision America, the company  that makes ScripTalk. The device
> is called the ScripTalk reader (or the  ScripTalk machine or device) and is
> available free of charge to Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After
> you have contacted Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to
> order your device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for
> requests, and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free
> Envision America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)
> 
> .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any Talking
> Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.
> 
> .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels in
> thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this  post. As
> with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart store  (for the
> prescription medication) and Envision America (for the ScripTalk  reader).
> 
> .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store is not
> yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to  request that
> the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please use  the Contact
> form on this Website to let us know if you have made a  request.
> 
> 
> 
> We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
> Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold, please
> use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at Goldstein,
> Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at  1-800-822-5000.
> 
> Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available
> 
> Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk Talking
> Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
> 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at the
> following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will need  to
> contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to obtain the  
> ScripTalk
> reader.)
> 
> Walmart #432
> 214 Haynes St
> Talladega,  Alabama 35160
> Local Phone: 256-761-1819
> 
> Walmart #2113
> 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
> Phoenix, Arizona 85015
> Local Phone:  602-246-6601
> 
> Walmart #2280
> 600 Showers Dr
> Mountain View,  California 94040
> Local Phone: 650-971-0878
> 
> Walmart #2598
> 3661  Truxel Rd
> Sacramento, California 95834
> Local Phone:  916-928-9673
> 
> Walmart #2751
> 601 Englewood Pkwy
> Englewood, Colorado  80110
> Local Phone: 303-789-7209
> 
> Walmart #3125
> 3615 W Bowles  Ave
> Littleton, Colorado 80123
> Local Phone: 303-218-4879
> 
> Sam's  Club #8120
> 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
> Tallahassee, Florida 32301
> Local  Phone: 850-671-2711
> 
> Sam's Club #8138
> 1175 Beville Rd
> Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
> Local Phone: 386-760-3078
> 
> Walmart #3235
> 1425  NE 163rd St
> North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
> Local Phone:  305-949-5451
> 
> Walmart #4520
> 4021 Lagniappe Way
> Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
> Local Phone: 850-656-7211
> 
> Walmart #579
> 2355 US  Highway 1 S
> St. Augustine, Florida 32086
> Local Phone:  904-794-4134
> 
> Walmart #5854
> 8400 Coral Way
> Miami, Florida  33155
> Local Phone: 305-351-9519
> 
> Walmart #3210
> 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
> Springfield, Illinois 62702
> Local Phone:  217-522-4054
> 
> Walmart #1580
> 10617 E Washington St
> Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
> Local Phone: 317-895-0316
> 
> Walmart #5991
> 3137 S  Seneca St
> Wichita, Kansas 67207
> Local Phone: 316-361-3351
> 
> Walmart  #1206
> 3132 College Dr
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
> Local Phone:  225-952-0776
> 
> Walmart #2867
> 3225 Towne Center Blvd
> Lansing,  Michigan 48912
> Local Phone: 517-487-9161
> 
> Walmart #2939
> 200  Marketplace Drive
> Richland, Mississippi 39218
> Local Phone:  601-939-2958
> 
> Walmart #391
> 2270 W Main St
> Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
> Local Phone: 662-842-9375
> 
> Walmart #1014
> 4000 S Bolger  Rd
> Independence, Missouri 64055
> Local Phone: 816-478-3975
> 
> Walmart  #1872
> 2750 Prospect Ave
> Helena, Montana 59601
> Local Phone:  406-443-3455
> 
> Walmart #2593
> 2310 E Serene Ave
> Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
> Local Phone: 702-270-7837
> 
> Walmart #5178
> 220 Enterprise  Dr
> Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
> Local Phone: 973-361-6709
> 
> Walmart  #2210
> 3290 Sheridan Dr
> Amherst, New York 14226
> Local Phone:  716-691-0738
> 
> Walmart #2058
> 1725 New Hope Church Rd
> Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
> Local Phone: 919-790-9856
> 
> Walmart #2552
> 4200 SE  82nd Ave
> Portland, Oregon 97266
> Local Phone: 503-788-0400
> 
> Walmart  #2141
> 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
> Local Phone: 215-468-4230
> 
> Walmart #1183
> 2401 Augusta  Rd
> West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
> Local Phone:  803-791-8114
> 
> Walmart #2625
> 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
> Carrollton,  Texas 75006
> 888-227-3403
> Mail Order Center
> 
> Walmart #4554
> 2525  W Anderson Ln
> Austin, Texas 78757
> Local Phone:  512-354-8904
> 
> Walmart #651
> 4145 Dowlen Rd
> Beaumont, Texas  77706
> Local Phone: 409-899-3615
> 
> Sam's Club #6686
> 300 W 1905  S
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
> Local Phone: 801-478-1695
> 
> Walmart  #5753
> 6303 Richmond Hwy
> Alexandria, Virginia 22306
> Local Phone:  703-253-9908
> 
> Walmart #5697
> 7025 W. Main St
> Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
> Local Phone: 414-203-0683
> 
> Walmart #2625
> 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
> Carrollton, Texas 75006
> Phone: 972-323-4600
> 
> We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription Container
> initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, please use the
> Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at Goldstein, Borgen,
> Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.
> 
> 
> 
> Lainey  Feingold
> 
> Law Office of Lainey  Feingold
> 
> http://LFLegal.com
> 
> 510.548.5062
> 
@> LF at LFLegal.com
> 
> http://twitter.com/LFLegal
> 
> 
> 
> Linda  Dardarian
> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
> www.gbdhlegal.com
> 510.763.9800
@> LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com
> 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 31 18:46:17 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:46:17 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription
	Containers:	Order...
In-Reply-To: <20130331174618.n8tnv@att.net>
References: <20130331174618.n8tnv@att.net>
Message-ID: <001e01ce2e40$07847930$168d6b90$@panix.com>

Certainly some of the pill containers are bears for everyone, blind and
sighted alike. But, with the possible exception of people with various forms
of dementia, it seems to me that with a bit of ingenuity and use of a
reader, one can label prescriptions with tape or perhaps PenFriend dots so
that one can then take medicines independently. It just takes organization
-- something that's a necessity for most blind people and something a good
many people don't have. I just think in the larger scheme of things, dealing
with prescriptions isn't or shouldn't be one of our higher priorities. But
enough people feel differently that NFB policy is to work towards some sort
of accessible prescription system and you will note that I've had EnVision
America on the DAN agenda each year.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
COLLEEN ROTH
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:46 AM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
Order...

Hi Mike,
Well for some people Talking Prescriptions work well.
I looked at something like this at the NFB of Ohio State Convention in 2011.
Each pill was in a separate flat package with thirty little slots.
You would have to read the particular package, dig out a Pill and go to the
next one.
Personally I think Prescription Pill Bottles are easier.
For those who can't read braille and feel little things that would attach to
the bottle this is a good thing.
I just do not have the patience for these kind of gadgets.
I did post your announcement on ohio-talk because I think some people will
use it.
Colleen Roth



----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
Containers: Order...

>
>
> Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to 
> shop at WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat 
> many of its employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the 
> few, I guess, who is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking
prescription equipment.
> But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.
> 
> As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business 
> with whom they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't 
> like. We'd have to secure passage of a law to force them to do 
> otherwise and we'd never get it passed.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> Containers: Order...
> 
> This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any 
> prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies, 
> except WalMart.
>  
> Does this not sound wrong?
>  
> Joyce  Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
> Blindhands at AOL.com   
> 
>  
> In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> k7uij at panix.com writes:
> 
> 
> From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue 
> Ammeter
> Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
> To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
> Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:  
> Ordering Information
> 
> 
> 
> Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers
> 
> Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers 
> for prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find 
> everything you need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the 
> first national pharmacy retailer to offer Talking  Prescription 
> Containers free of charge to persons with visual impairments.  The 
> ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is being offered to customers  
> across the country through Walmart mail order. In addition to the 
> national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk at
> 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is 
> available, as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read 
> the June, 2012 Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk 
> initiative.
> 
> Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from 
> Walmart
> 
> .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with 
> prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first 
> contact Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free 
> phone line for ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is 
> 1-888-227-3403. You may also contact any of the stores  listed below 
> directly for information on receiving ScripTalk containers  from those 
> stores.
> 
> .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need 
> reading device from Envision America, the company  that makes 
> ScripTalk. The device is called the ScripTalk reader (or the  
> ScripTalk machine or device) and is available free of charge to 
> Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After you have contacted 
> Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to order your 
> device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for requests, 
> and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free Envision 
> America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)
> 
> .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any 
> Talking Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.
> 
> .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels 
> in thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this  
> post. As with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart 
> store  (for the prescription medication) and Envision America (for the
ScripTalk  reader).
> 
> .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store 
> is not yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to  
> request that the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please 
> use  the Contact form on this Website to let us know if you have made a
request.
> 
> 
> 
> We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription 
> Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold, 
> please use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at 
> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at
1-800-822-5000.
> 
> Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available
> 
> Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk 
> Talking Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling 
> 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at 
> the following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will 
> need  to contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to 
> obtain the ScripTalk
> reader.)
> 
> Walmart #432
> 214 Haynes St
> Talladega,  Alabama 35160
> Local Phone: 256-761-1819
> 
> Walmart #2113
> 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
> Phoenix, Arizona 85015
> Local Phone:  602-246-6601
> 
> Walmart #2280
> 600 Showers Dr
> Mountain View,  California 94040
> Local Phone: 650-971-0878
> 
> Walmart #2598
> 3661  Truxel Rd
> Sacramento, California 95834
> Local Phone:  916-928-9673
> 
> Walmart #2751
> 601 Englewood Pkwy
> Englewood, Colorado  80110
> Local Phone: 303-789-7209
> 
> Walmart #3125
> 3615 W Bowles  Ave
> Littleton, Colorado 80123
> Local Phone: 303-218-4879
> 
> Sam's  Club #8120
> 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
> Tallahassee, Florida 32301
> Local  Phone: 850-671-2711
> 
> Sam's Club #8138
> 1175 Beville Rd
> Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
> Local Phone: 386-760-3078
> 
> Walmart #3235
> 1425  NE 163rd St
> North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
> Local Phone:  305-949-5451
> 
> Walmart #4520
> 4021 Lagniappe Way
> Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
> Local Phone: 850-656-7211
> 
> Walmart #579
> 2355 US  Highway 1 S
> St. Augustine, Florida 32086
> Local Phone:  904-794-4134
> 
> Walmart #5854
> 8400 Coral Way
> Miami, Florida  33155
> Local Phone: 305-351-9519
> 
> Walmart #3210
> 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
> Springfield, Illinois 62702
> Local Phone:  217-522-4054
> 
> Walmart #1580
> 10617 E Washington St
> Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
> Local Phone: 317-895-0316
> 
> Walmart #5991
> 3137 S  Seneca St
> Wichita, Kansas 67207
> Local Phone: 316-361-3351
> 
> Walmart  #1206
> 3132 College Dr
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
> Local Phone:  225-952-0776
> 
> Walmart #2867
> 3225 Towne Center Blvd
> Lansing,  Michigan 48912
> Local Phone: 517-487-9161
> 
> Walmart #2939
> 200  Marketplace Drive
> Richland, Mississippi 39218
> Local Phone:  601-939-2958
> 
> Walmart #391
> 2270 W Main St
> Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
> Local Phone: 662-842-9375
> 
> Walmart #1014
> 4000 S Bolger  Rd
> Independence, Missouri 64055
> Local Phone: 816-478-3975
> 
> Walmart  #1872
> 2750 Prospect Ave
> Helena, Montana 59601
> Local Phone:  406-443-3455
> 
> Walmart #2593
> 2310 E Serene Ave
> Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
> Local Phone: 702-270-7837
> 
> Walmart #5178
> 220 Enterprise  Dr
> Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
> Local Phone: 973-361-6709
> 
> Walmart  #2210
> 3290 Sheridan Dr
> Amherst, New York 14226
> Local Phone:  716-691-0738
> 
> Walmart #2058
> 1725 New Hope Church Rd
> Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
> Local Phone: 919-790-9856
> 
> Walmart #2552
> 4200 SE  82nd Ave
> Portland, Oregon 97266
> Local Phone: 503-788-0400
> 
> Walmart  #2141
> 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
> Local Phone: 215-468-4230
> 
> Walmart #1183
> 2401 Augusta  Rd
> West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
> Local Phone:  803-791-8114
> 
> Walmart #2625
> 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
> Carrollton,  Texas 75006
> 888-227-3403
> Mail Order Center
> 
> Walmart #4554
> 2525  W Anderson Ln
> Austin, Texas 78757
> Local Phone:  512-354-8904
> 
> Walmart #651
> 4145 Dowlen Rd
> Beaumont, Texas  77706
> Local Phone: 409-899-3615
> 
> Sam's Club #6686
> 300 W 1905  S
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
> Local Phone: 801-478-1695
> 
> Walmart  #5753
> 6303 Richmond Hwy
> Alexandria, Virginia 22306
> Local Phone:  703-253-9908
> 
> Walmart #5697
> 7025 W. Main St
> Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
> Local Phone: 414-203-0683
> 
> Walmart #2625
> 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
> Carrollton, Texas 75006
> Phone: 972-323-4600
> 
> We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription 
> Container initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, 
> please use the Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at 
> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.
> 
> 
> 
> Lainey  Feingold
> 
> Law Office of Lainey  Feingold
> 
> http://LFLegal.com
> 
> 510.548.5062
> 
@> LF at LFLegal.com
> 
> http://twitter.com/LFLegal
> 
> 
> 
> Linda  Dardarian
> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
> www.gbdhlegal.com
> 510.763.9800
@> LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Mar 31 19:30:46 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:30:46 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription
	Containers:	Order...
Message-ID: a096e23f-b4e3-4994-b036-b3db2b1dd96e@samobile.net

Mike and all,
If it wasn't for this method, I would have a devel of a time getting my 
medicines read to me.
When I was with Humana the medicine came to me from out of state.
There wasn't a way for me to write on the bottles before they came here.
Then to find someone to help me sort out the pills drove me crazy.
Now this way, I can speak to the lady on what I am asking for, where 
they put the lables on the lids of the bottles.
then it also tells me what some of the side effects are, that is good 
to know so I know what to expect.
this is threw our program here in town.
Billings for the most part is behind in everything, it is good to see 
them doing something that could help others.
for wall mart, it also was interesting that only the capital is the 
only city that has this going.
When I have asked our wall mart here in town, you would have thought I 
was causing the pleg.
Some of the folks really get mad when I ask if they have this going yet.
this has worked out well for me.

Original message:
> Certainly some of the pill containers are bears for everyone, blind and
> sighted alike. But, with the possible exception of people with various forms
> of dementia, it seems to me that with a bit of ingenuity and use of a
> reader, one can label prescriptions with tape or perhaps PenFriend dots so
> that one can then take medicines independently. It just takes organization
> -- something that's a necessity for most blind people and something a good
> many people don't have. I just think in the larger scheme of things, dealing
> with prescriptions isn't or shouldn't be one of our higher priorities. But
> enough people feel differently that NFB policy is to work towards some sort
> of accessible prescription system and you will note that I've had EnVision
> America on the DAN agenda each year.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> COLLEEN ROTH
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:46 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
> Order...

> Hi Mike,
> Well for some people Talking Prescriptions work well.
> I looked at something like this at the NFB of Ohio State Convention in 2011.
> Each pill was in a separate flat package with thirty little slots.
> You would have to read the particular package, dig out a Pill and go to the
> next one.
> Personally I think Prescription Pill Bottles are easier.
> For those who can't read braille and feel little things that would attach to
> the bottle this is a good thing.
> I just do not have the patience for these kind of gadgets.
> I did post your announcement on ohio-talk because I think some people will
> use it.
> Colleen Roth



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> Containers: Order...



>> Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to
>> shop at WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat
>> many of its employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the
>> few, I guess, who is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking
> prescription equipment.
>> But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.

>> As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business
>> with whom they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't
>> like. We'd have to secure passage of a law to force them to do
>> otherwise and we'd never get it passed.

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
>> Containers: Order...

>> This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any
>> prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies,
>> except WalMart.

>> Does this not sound wrong?

>> Joyce  Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com


>> In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> k7uij at panix.com writes:


>> From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue
>> Ammeter
>> Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
>> To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
>> Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
>> Ordering Information



>> Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers

>> Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers
>> for prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find
>> everything you need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the
>> first national pharmacy retailer to offer Talking  Prescription
>> Containers free of charge to persons with visual impairments.  The
>> ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is being offered to customers
>> across the country through Walmart mail order. In addition to the
>> national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk at
>> 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is
>> available, as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read
>> the June, 2012 Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk
>> initiative.

>> Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from
>> Walmart

>> .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
>> prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first
>> contact Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free
>> phone line for ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is
>> 1-888-227-3403. You may also contact any of the stores  listed below
>> directly for information on receiving ScripTalk containers  from those
>> stores.

>> .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need
>> reading device from Envision America, the company  that makes
>> ScripTalk. The device is called the ScripTalk reader (or the
>> ScripTalk machine or device) and is available free of charge to
>> Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After you have contacted
>> Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to order your
>> device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for requests,
>> and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free Envision
>> America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)

>> .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any
>> Talking Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.

>> .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels
>> in thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this
>> post. As with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart
>> store  (for the prescription medication) and Envision America (for the
> ScripTalk  reader).

>> .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store
>> is not yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to
>> request that the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please
>> use  the Contact form on this Website to let us know if you have made a
> request.



>> We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
>> Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold,
>> please use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at
>> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at
> 1-800-822-5000.

>> Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available

>> Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk
>> Talking Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
>> 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at
>> the following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will
>> need  to contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to
>> obtain the ScripTalk
>> reader.)

>> Walmart #432
>> 214 Haynes St
>> Talladega,  Alabama 35160
>> Local Phone: 256-761-1819

>> Walmart #2113
>> 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
>> Phoenix, Arizona 85015
>> Local Phone:  602-246-6601

>> Walmart #2280
>> 600 Showers Dr
>> Mountain View,  California 94040
>> Local Phone: 650-971-0878

>> Walmart #2598
>> 3661  Truxel Rd
>> Sacramento, California 95834
>> Local Phone:  916-928-9673

>> Walmart #2751
>> 601 Englewood Pkwy
>> Englewood, Colorado  80110
>> Local Phone: 303-789-7209

>> Walmart #3125
>> 3615 W Bowles  Ave
>> Littleton, Colorado 80123
>> Local Phone: 303-218-4879

>> Sam's  Club #8120
>> 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
>> Tallahassee, Florida 32301
>> Local  Phone: 850-671-2711

>> Sam's Club #8138
>> 1175 Beville Rd
>> Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
>> Local Phone: 386-760-3078

>> Walmart #3235
>> 1425  NE 163rd St
>> North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
>> Local Phone:  305-949-5451

>> Walmart #4520
>> 4021 Lagniappe Way
>> Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
>> Local Phone: 850-656-7211

>> Walmart #579
>> 2355 US  Highway 1 S
>> St. Augustine, Florida 32086
>> Local Phone:  904-794-4134

>> Walmart #5854
>> 8400 Coral Way
>> Miami, Florida  33155
>> Local Phone: 305-351-9519

>> Walmart #3210
>> 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
>> Springfield, Illinois 62702
>> Local Phone:  217-522-4054

>> Walmart #1580
>> 10617 E Washington St
>> Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
>> Local Phone: 317-895-0316

>> Walmart #5991
>> 3137 S  Seneca St
>> Wichita, Kansas 67207
>> Local Phone: 316-361-3351

>> Walmart  #1206
>> 3132 College Dr
>> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
>> Local Phone:  225-952-0776

>> Walmart #2867
>> 3225 Towne Center Blvd
>> Lansing,  Michigan 48912
>> Local Phone: 517-487-9161

>> Walmart #2939
>> 200  Marketplace Drive
>> Richland, Mississippi 39218
>> Local Phone:  601-939-2958

>> Walmart #391
>> 2270 W Main St
>> Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
>> Local Phone: 662-842-9375

>> Walmart #1014
>> 4000 S Bolger  Rd
>> Independence, Missouri 64055
>> Local Phone: 816-478-3975

>> Walmart  #1872
>> 2750 Prospect Ave
>> Helena, Montana 59601
>> Local Phone:  406-443-3455

>> Walmart #2593
>> 2310 E Serene Ave
>> Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
>> Local Phone: 702-270-7837

>> Walmart #5178
>> 220 Enterprise  Dr
>> Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
>> Local Phone: 973-361-6709

>> Walmart  #2210
>> 3290 Sheridan Dr
>> Amherst, New York 14226
>> Local Phone:  716-691-0738

>> Walmart #2058
>> 1725 New Hope Church Rd
>> Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
>> Local Phone: 919-790-9856

>> Walmart #2552
>> 4200 SE  82nd Ave
>> Portland, Oregon 97266
>> Local Phone: 503-788-0400

>> Walmart  #2141
>> 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
>> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
>> Local Phone: 215-468-4230

>> Walmart #1183
>> 2401 Augusta  Rd
>> West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
>> Local Phone:  803-791-8114

>> Walmart #2625
>> 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
>> Carrollton,  Texas 75006
>> 888-227-3403
>> Mail Order Center

>> Walmart #4554
>> 2525  W Anderson Ln
>> Austin, Texas 78757
>> Local Phone:  512-354-8904

>> Walmart #651
>> 4145 Dowlen Rd
>> Beaumont, Texas  77706
>> Local Phone: 409-899-3615

>> Sam's Club #6686
>> 300 W 1905  S
>> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
>> Local Phone: 801-478-1695

>> Walmart  #5753
>> 6303 Richmond Hwy
>> Alexandria, Virginia 22306
>> Local Phone:  703-253-9908

>> Walmart #5697
>> 7025 W. Main St
>> Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
>> Local Phone: 414-203-0683

>> Walmart #2625
>> 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
>> Carrollton, Texas 75006
>> Phone: 972-323-4600

>> We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription
>> Container initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold,
>> please use the Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at
>> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.



>> Lainey  Feingold

>> Law Office of Lainey  Feingold

>> http://LFLegal.com

>> 510.548.5062

> @> LF at LFLegal.com

>> http://twitter.com/LFLegal



>> Linda  Dardarian
>> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
>> www.gbdhlegal.com
>> 510.763.9800
> @> LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com







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From n8tnv at att.net  Sun Mar 31 19:46:54 2013
From: n8tnv at att.net (COLLEEN ROTH)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:46:54 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
	Order...
Message-ID: <20130331194654.n8tnv@att.net>

Hi Mike,
I think people who lose their sight later may not be used to thinking about organizing things.
Some people may not have the Pen Friend either.
The Envision America Reading device is free. The labels are provided free by the Pharmacy.

personally I like Braille labels but not everyone can use these.
I have noticed that some people seem to have trouble feeling the shapes of little dots. Setting things up alphabetically or in little slots in a box might also be helpful.
Of course many fxs have shapes or different sizes which can help unless your pharmacy changes the shape or size of a pill.
Part of helping people who lose vision is helping them with little tricks.
Isn't it great that the NFB can help xs' members and others in local communities?
Colleen Roth



----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers: Order...

>
>
> Certainly some of the pill containers are bears for everyone, blind and
> sighted alike. But, with the possible exception of people with various forms
> of dementia, it seems to me that with a bit of ingenuity and use of a
> reader, one can label prescriptions with tape or perhaps PenFriend dots so
> that one can then take medicines independently. It just takes organization
> ? something that's a necessity for most blind people and something a good
> many people don't have. I just think in the larger scheme of things, dealing
> with prescriptions isn't or shouldn't be one of our higher priorities. But
> enough people feel differently that NFB policy is to work towards some sort
> of accessible prescription system and you will note that I've had EnVision
> America on the DAN agenda each year.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> COLLEEN ROTH
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:46 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
> Order...
> 
> Hi Mike,
> Well for some people Talking Prescriptions work well.
> I looked at something like this at the NFB of Ohio State Convention in 2011.
> Each pill was in a separate flat package with thirty little slots.
> You would have to read the particular package, dig out a Pill and go to the
> next one.
> Personally I think Prescription Pill Bottles are easier.
> For those who can't read braille and feel little things that would attach to
> the bottle this is a good thing.
> I just do not have the patience for these kind of gadgets.
> I did post your announcement on ohio-talk because I think some people will
> use it.
> Colleen Roth
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> Containers: Order...
> 
> >
> >
> > Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to 
> > shop at WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat 
> > many of its employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the 
> > few, I guess, who is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking
> prescription equipment.
> > But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.
> > 
> > As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business 
> > with whom they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't 
> > like. We'd have to secure passage of a law to force them to do 
> > otherwise and we'd never get it passed.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> > Containers: Order...
> > 
> > This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any 
> > prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies, 
> > except WalMart.
> >  
> > Does this not sound wrong?
> >  
> > Joyce  Kane
> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
> > Blindhands at AOL.com   
> > 
> >  
> > In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > k7uij at panix.com writes:
> > 
> > 
> > From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue 
> > Ammeter
> > Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
> > To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
> > Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:  
> > Ordering Information
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers
> > 
> > Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers 
> > for prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find 
> > everything you need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the 
> > first national pharmacy retailer to offer Talking  Prescription 
> > Containers free of charge to persons with visual impairments.  The 
> > ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is being offered to customers  
> > across the country through Walmart mail order. In addition to the 
> > national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk at
> > 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is 
> > available, as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read 
> > the June, 2012 Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk 
> > initiative.
> > 
> > Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from 
> > Walmart
> > 
> > .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with 
> > prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first 
> > contact Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free 
> > phone line for ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is 
> > 1-888-227-3403. You may also contact any of the stores  listed below 
> > directly for information on receiving ScripTalk containers  from those 
> > stores.
> > 
> > .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need 
> > reading device from Envision America, the company  that makes 
> > ScripTalk. The device is called the ScripTalk reader (or the  
> > ScripTalk machine or device) and is available free of charge to 
> > Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After you have contacted 
> > Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to order your 
> > device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for requests, 
> > and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free Envision 
> > America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)
> > 
> > .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any 
> > Talking Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.
> > 
> > .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels 
> > in thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this  
> > post. As with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart 
> > store  (for the prescription medication) and Envision America (for the
> ScripTalk  reader).
> > 
> > .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store 
> > is not yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to  
> > request that the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please 
> > use  the Contact form on this Website to let us know if you have made a
> request.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription 
> > Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold, 
> > please use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at 
> > Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at
> 1-800-822-5000.
> > 
> > Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available
> > 
> > Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk 
> > Talking Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling 
> > 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at 
> > the following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will 
> > need  to contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to 
> > obtain the ScripTalk
> > reader.)
> > 
> > Walmart #432
> > 214 Haynes St
> > Talladega,  Alabama 35160
> > Local Phone: 256-761-1819
> > 
> > Walmart #2113
> > 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
> > Phoenix, Arizona 85015
> > Local Phone:  602-246-6601
> > 
> > Walmart #2280
> > 600 Showers Dr
> > Mountain View,  California 94040
> > Local Phone: 650-971-0878
> > 
> > Walmart #2598
> > 3661  Truxel Rd
> > Sacramento, California 95834
> > Local Phone:  916-928-9673
> > 
> > Walmart #2751
> > 601 Englewood Pkwy
> > Englewood, Colorado  80110
> > Local Phone: 303-789-7209
> > 
> > Walmart #3125
> > 3615 W Bowles  Ave
> > Littleton, Colorado 80123
> > Local Phone: 303-218-4879
> > 
> > Sam's  Club #8120
> > 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
> > Tallahassee, Florida 32301
> > Local  Phone: 850-671-2711
> > 
> > Sam's Club #8138
> > 1175 Beville Rd
> > Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
> > Local Phone: 386-760-3078
> > 
> > Walmart #3235
> > 1425  NE 163rd St
> > North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
> > Local Phone:  305-949-5451
> > 
> > Walmart #4520
> > 4021 Lagniappe Way
> > Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
> > Local Phone: 850-656-7211
> > 
> > Walmart #579
> > 2355 US  Highway 1 S
> > St. Augustine, Florida 32086
> > Local Phone:  904-794-4134
> > 
> > Walmart #5854
> > 8400 Coral Way
> > Miami, Florida  33155
> > Local Phone: 305-351-9519
> > 
> > Walmart #3210
> > 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
> > Springfield, Illinois 62702
> > Local Phone:  217-522-4054
> > 
> > Walmart #1580
> > 10617 E Washington St
> > Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
> > Local Phone: 317-895-0316
> > 
> > Walmart #5991
> > 3137 S  Seneca St
> > Wichita, Kansas 67207
> > Local Phone: 316-361-3351
> > 
> > Walmart  #1206
> > 3132 College Dr
> > Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
> > Local Phone:  225-952-0776
> > 
> > Walmart #2867
> > 3225 Towne Center Blvd
> > Lansing,  Michigan 48912
> > Local Phone: 517-487-9161
> > 
> > Walmart #2939
> > 200  Marketplace Drive
> > Richland, Mississippi 39218
> > Local Phone:  601-939-2958
> > 
> > Walmart #391
> > 2270 W Main St
> > Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
> > Local Phone: 662-842-9375
> > 
> > Walmart #1014
> > 4000 S Bolger  Rd
> > Independence, Missouri 64055
> > Local Phone: 816-478-3975
> > 
> > Walmart  #1872
> > 2750 Prospect Ave
> > Helena, Montana 59601
> > Local Phone:  406-443-3455
> > 
> > Walmart #2593
> > 2310 E Serene Ave
> > Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
> > Local Phone: 702-270-7837
> > 
> > Walmart #5178
> > 220 Enterprise  Dr
> > Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
> > Local Phone: 973-361-6709
> > 
> > Walmart  #2210
> > 3290 Sheridan Dr
> > Amherst, New York 14226
> > Local Phone:  716-691-0738
> > 
> > Walmart #2058
> > 1725 New Hope Church Rd
> > Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
> > Local Phone: 919-790-9856
> > 
> > Walmart #2552
> > 4200 SE  82nd Ave
> > Portland, Oregon 97266
> > Local Phone: 503-788-0400
> > 
> > Walmart  #2141
> > 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
> > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
> > Local Phone: 215-468-4230
> > 
> > Walmart #1183
> > 2401 Augusta  Rd
> > West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
> > Local Phone:  803-791-8114
> > 
> > Walmart #2625
> > 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
> > Carrollton,  Texas 75006
> > 888-227-3403
> > Mail Order Center
> > 
> > Walmart #4554
> > 2525  W Anderson Ln
> > Austin, Texas 78757
> > Local Phone:  512-354-8904
> > 
> > Walmart #651
> > 4145 Dowlen Rd
> > Beaumont, Texas  77706
> > Local Phone: 409-899-3615
> > 
> > Sam's Club #6686
> > 300 W 1905  S
> > Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
> > Local Phone: 801-478-1695
> > 
> > Walmart  #5753
> > 6303 Richmond Hwy
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22306
> > Local Phone:  703-253-9908
> > 
> > Walmart #5697
> > 7025 W. Main St
> > Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
> > Local Phone: 414-203-0683
> > 
> > Walmart #2625
> > 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
> > Carrollton, Texas 75006
> > Phone: 972-323-4600
> > 
> > We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription 
> > Container initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold, 
> > please use the Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at 
> > Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lainey  Feingold
> > 
> > Law Office of Lainey  Feingold
> > 
> > http://LFLegal.com
> > 
> > 510.548.5062
> > 
@> @@@> LF at LFLegal.com
> > 
> > http://twitter.com/LFLegal
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Linda  Dardarian
> > Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
> > www.gbdhlegal.com
> > 510.763.9800
@> @@@> LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Mar 31 21:31:33 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:31:33 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking
	Prescription	Containers:	Order...
In-Reply-To: a096e23f-b4e3-4994-b036-b3db2b1dd96e@samobile.net
References: a096e23f-b4e3-4994-b036-b3db2b1dd96e@samobile.net
Message-ID: <003401ce2e57$1e6b6430$5b422c90$@panix.com>

Dar:

I maintain that *every* -- yes, every -- blind person ought to have a system
in place for having things read to him/her with *no* exceptions. Why?
Because the world is predominantly composed of sighted persons. That's what
it means, after all, to be a minority. So finding reliable mechanisms to get
things read is just one of the nuisances of blindness.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:31 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
Order...

Mike and all,
If it wasn't for this method, I would have a devel of a time getting my 
medicines read to me.
When I was with Humana the medicine came to me from out of state.
There wasn't a way for me to write on the bottles before they came here.
Then to find someone to help me sort out the pills drove me crazy.
Now this way, I can speak to the lady on what I am asking for, where 
they put the lables on the lids of the bottles.
then it also tells me what some of the side effects are, that is good 
to know so I know what to expect.
this is threw our program here in town.
Billings for the most part is behind in everything, it is good to see 
them doing something that could help others.
for wall mart, it also was interesting that only the capital is the 
only city that has this going.
When I have asked our wall mart here in town, you would have thought I 
was causing the pleg.
Some of the folks really get mad when I ask if they have this going yet.
this has worked out well for me.

Original message:
> Certainly some of the pill containers are bears for everyone, blind and
> sighted alike. But, with the possible exception of people with various
forms
> of dementia, it seems to me that with a bit of ingenuity and use of a
> reader, one can label prescriptions with tape or perhaps PenFriend dots so
> that one can then take medicines independently. It just takes organization
> -- something that's a necessity for most blind people and something a good
> many people don't have. I just think in the larger scheme of things,
dealing
> with prescriptions isn't or shouldn't be one of our higher priorities. But
> enough people feel differently that NFB policy is to work towards some
sort
> of accessible prescription system and you will note that I've had EnVision
> America on the DAN agenda each year.

> Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> COLLEEN ROTH
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:46 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
> Order...

> Hi Mike,
> Well for some people Talking Prescriptions work well.
> I looked at something like this at the NFB of Ohio State Convention in
2011.
> Each pill was in a separate flat package with thirty little slots.
> You would have to read the particular package, dig out a Pill and go to
the
> next one.
> Personally I think Prescription Pill Bottles are easier.
> For those who can't read braille and feel little things that would attach
to
> the bottle this is a good thing.
> I just do not have the patience for these kind of gadgets.
> I did post your announcement on ohio-talk because I think some people will
> use it.
> Colleen Roth



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> Containers: Order...



>> Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to
>> shop at WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat
>> many of its employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the
>> few, I guess, who is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking
> prescription equipment.
>> But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.

>> As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business
>> with whom they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't
>> like. We'd have to secure passage of a law to force them to do
>> otherwise and we'd never get it passed.

>> Mike


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
>> Containers: Order...

>> This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any
>> prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies,
>> except WalMart.

>> Does this not sound wrong?

>> Joyce  Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com


>> In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> k7uij at panix.com writes:


>> From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue
>> Ammeter
>> Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
>> To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
>> Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
>> Ordering Information



>> Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers

>> Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers
>> for prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find
>> everything you need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the
>> first national pharmacy retailer to offer Talking  Prescription
>> Containers free of charge to persons with visual impairments.  The
>> ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is being offered to customers
>> across the country through Walmart mail order. In addition to the
>> national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk at
>> 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is
>> available, as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read
>> the June, 2012 Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk
>> initiative.

>> Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from
>> Walmart

>> .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
>> prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first
>> contact Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free
>> phone line for ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is
>> 1-888-227-3403. You may also contact any of the stores  listed below
>> directly for information on receiving ScripTalk containers  from those
>> stores.

>> .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need
>> reading device from Envision America, the company  that makes
>> ScripTalk. The device is called the ScripTalk reader (or the
>> ScripTalk machine or device) and is available free of charge to
>> Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After you have contacted
>> Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to order your
>> device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for requests,
>> and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free Envision
>> America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)

>> .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any
>> Talking Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.

>> .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels
>> in thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this
>> post. As with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart
>> store  (for the prescription medication) and Envision America (for the
> ScripTalk  reader).

>> .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store
>> is not yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to
>> request that the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please
>> use  the Contact form on this Website to let us know if you have made a
> request.



>> We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
>> Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold,
>> please use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at
>> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at
> 1-800-822-5000.

>> Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available

>> Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk
>> Talking Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
>> 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at
>> the following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will
>> need  to contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to
>> obtain the ScripTalk
>> reader.)

>> Walmart #432
>> 214 Haynes St
>> Talladega,  Alabama 35160
>> Local Phone: 256-761-1819

>> Walmart #2113
>> 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
>> Phoenix, Arizona 85015
>> Local Phone:  602-246-6601

>> Walmart #2280
>> 600 Showers Dr
>> Mountain View,  California 94040
>> Local Phone: 650-971-0878

>> Walmart #2598
>> 3661  Truxel Rd
>> Sacramento, California 95834
>> Local Phone:  916-928-9673

>> Walmart #2751
>> 601 Englewood Pkwy
>> Englewood, Colorado  80110
>> Local Phone: 303-789-7209

>> Walmart #3125
>> 3615 W Bowles  Ave
>> Littleton, Colorado 80123
>> Local Phone: 303-218-4879

>> Sam's  Club #8120
>> 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
>> Tallahassee, Florida 32301
>> Local  Phone: 850-671-2711

>> Sam's Club #8138
>> 1175 Beville Rd
>> Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
>> Local Phone: 386-760-3078

>> Walmart #3235
>> 1425  NE 163rd St
>> North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
>> Local Phone:  305-949-5451

>> Walmart #4520
>> 4021 Lagniappe Way
>> Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
>> Local Phone: 850-656-7211

>> Walmart #579
>> 2355 US  Highway 1 S
>> St. Augustine, Florida 32086
>> Local Phone:  904-794-4134

>> Walmart #5854
>> 8400 Coral Way
>> Miami, Florida  33155
>> Local Phone: 305-351-9519

>> Walmart #3210
>> 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
>> Springfield, Illinois 62702
>> Local Phone:  217-522-4054

>> Walmart #1580
>> 10617 E Washington St
>> Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
>> Local Phone: 317-895-0316

>> Walmart #5991
>> 3137 S  Seneca St
>> Wichita, Kansas 67207
>> Local Phone: 316-361-3351

>> Walmart  #1206
>> 3132 College Dr
>> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
>> Local Phone:  225-952-0776

>> Walmart #2867
>> 3225 Towne Center Blvd
>> Lansing,  Michigan 48912
>> Local Phone: 517-487-9161

>> Walmart #2939
>> 200  Marketplace Drive
>> Richland, Mississippi 39218
>> Local Phone:  601-939-2958

>> Walmart #391
>> 2270 W Main St
>> Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
>> Local Phone: 662-842-9375

>> Walmart #1014
>> 4000 S Bolger  Rd
>> Independence, Missouri 64055
>> Local Phone: 816-478-3975

>> Walmart  #1872
>> 2750 Prospect Ave
>> Helena, Montana 59601
>> Local Phone:  406-443-3455

>> Walmart #2593
>> 2310 E Serene Ave
>> Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
>> Local Phone: 702-270-7837

>> Walmart #5178
>> 220 Enterprise  Dr
>> Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
>> Local Phone: 973-361-6709

>> Walmart  #2210
>> 3290 Sheridan Dr
>> Amherst, New York 14226
>> Local Phone:  716-691-0738

>> Walmart #2058
>> 1725 New Hope Church Rd
>> Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
>> Local Phone: 919-790-9856

>> Walmart #2552
>> 4200 SE  82nd Ave
>> Portland, Oregon 97266
>> Local Phone: 503-788-0400

>> Walmart  #2141
>> 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
>> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
>> Local Phone: 215-468-4230

>> Walmart #1183
>> 2401 Augusta  Rd
>> West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
>> Local Phone:  803-791-8114

>> Walmart #2625
>> 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
>> Carrollton,  Texas 75006
>> 888-227-3403
>> Mail Order Center

>> Walmart #4554
>> 2525  W Anderson Ln
>> Austin, Texas 78757
>> Local Phone:  512-354-8904

>> Walmart #651
>> 4145 Dowlen Rd
>> Beaumont, Texas  77706
>> Local Phone: 409-899-3615

>> Sam's Club #6686
>> 300 W 1905  S
>> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
>> Local Phone: 801-478-1695

>> Walmart  #5753
>> 6303 Richmond Hwy
>> Alexandria, Virginia 22306
>> Local Phone:  703-253-9908

>> Walmart #5697
>> 7025 W. Main St
>> Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
>> Local Phone: 414-203-0683

>> Walmart #2625
>> 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
>> Carrollton, Texas 75006
>> Phone: 972-323-4600

>> We welcome  your feedback about the Walmart Talking Prescription
>> Container initiative.  To contact the Law Office of Lainey Feingold,
>> please use the Contact Form  on this website. To contact co-counsel at
>> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and  Ho, call toll free at 1-800-822-5000.



>> Lainey  Feingold

>> Law Office of Lainey  Feingold

>> http://LFLegal.com

>> 510.548.5062

> @> LF at LFLegal.com

>> http://twitter.com/LFLegal



>> Linda  Dardarian
>> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
>> www.gbdhlegal.com
>> 510.763.9800
> @> LDardarian at gbdhlegal.com







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From n8tnv at att.net  Sun Mar 31 22:04:41 2013
From: n8tnv at att.net (COLLEEN ROTH)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:04:41 -0400
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
	Order...
Message-ID: <20130331220441.n8tnv@att.net>

Hi Mike,
I do think it's important to have someone read material for them.
After all, there are just some things that require us to find someone to read them.
It doesn't make sense to expect that everything will be available in an Alternate Format.
I cannot imagine all of the material people get that they need to resmnd to and never know about if they do not have a reader.
Independence is achieved when we know how to be interdependent.
We all need to find a person to help with Printed Material.
I cannot even imagine what would happen if we didn't have things read to us.
How in the world do you read Medical Bills, Jury Summons, notice of some impending change to a program which does not send out materials in an alternate format, newsletters, Birthday or Get-well cards, to name a few.
Colleen Roth




----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers: Order...

>
>
> Dar:
> 
> I maintain that inine* ? yes, every ? blind person ought to have a system
> in place for having things read to hm/her with ininno* exceptions. Why?
> Because the world is predominantly composed of sighted persons. That's what
> it means, after all, to be a minority. So finding reliable mechanisms to get
> things read is just one of the nuisances of blindness.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:31 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
> Order...
> 
> Mike and all,
> If it wasn't for this method, I would have a devel of a time getting my 
> medicines read to me.
> When I was with Humana the medicine came to me from out of state.
> There wasn't a way for me to write on the bottles before they came here.
> Then to find someone to help me sort out the pills drove me crazy.
> Now this way, I can speak to the lady on what I am asking for, where 
> they put the lables on the lids of the bottles.
> then it also tells me what some of the side effects are, that is good 
> to know so I know what to expect.
> this is threw our program here in town.
> Billings for the most part is behind in everything, it is good to see 
> them doing something that could help others.
> for wall mart, it also was interesting that only the capital is the 
> only city that has this going.
> When I have asked our wall mart here in town, you would have thought I 
> was causing the pleg.
> Some of the folks really get mad when I ask if they have this going yet.
> this has worked out well for me.
> 
> Original message:
> > Certainly some of the pill containers are bears for everyone, blind and
> > sighted alike. But, with the possible exception of people with various
> forms
> > of dementia, it seems to me that with a bit of ingenuity and use of a
> > reader, one can label prescriptions with tape or perhaps PenFriend dots so
> > that one can then take medicines independently. It just takes organization
> > ? something that's a necessity for most blind people and something a good
> > many people don't have. I just think in the larger scheme of things,
> dealing
> > with prescriptions isn't or shouldn't be one of our higher priorities. But
> > enough people feel differently that NFB policy is to work towards some
> sort
> > of accessible prescription system and you will note that I've had EnVision
> > America on the DAN agenda each year.
> 
> > Mike
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > COLLEEN ROTH
> > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:46 AM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
> > Order...
> 
> > Hi Mike,
> > Well for some people Talking Prescriptions work well.
> > I looked at something like this at the NFB of Ohio State Convention in
> 2011.
> > Each pill was in a separate flat package with thirty little slots.
> > You would have to read the particular package, dig out a Pill and go to
> the
> > next one.
> > Personally I think Prescription Pill Bottles are easier.
> > For those who can't read braille and feel little things that would attach
> to
> > the bottle this is a good thing.
> > I just do not have the patience for these kind of gadgets.
> > I did post your announcement on ohio-talk because I think some people will
> > use it.
> > Colleen Roth
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:50 am
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> > Containers: Order...
> 
> 
> 
> >> Perhaps your insurance company knows something we don't? I refuse to
> >> shop at WalMart myself in that I believe it all-too-anxious to treat
> >> many of its employees in niggardly fashion. Moreover, I am one of the
> >> few, I guess, who is not absolutely convinced of the need for talking
> > prescription equipment.
> >> But NFB policy is NFB policy and I carry it out.
> 
> >> As for your specific question, insurance companies can do business
> >> with whom they like and refuse to do business with entities they don't
> >> like. We'd have to secure passage of a law to force them to do
> >> otherwise and we'd never get it passed.
> 
> >> Mike
> 
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:39 AM
> >> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FW: Walmart Talking Prescription
> >> Containers: Order...
> 
> >> This sounds really good, but my insurance company will not cover any
> >> prescriptions bought at WalMart.  They cover all other pharmacies,
> >> except WalMart.
> 
> >> Does this not sound wrong?
> 
> >> Joyce  Kane
> >> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> >> Blindhands at AOL.com
> 
> 
> >> In a message dated 3/30/2013 10:12:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> k7uij at panix.com writes:
> 
> 
> >> From:  Wcb-l [mailto:wcb-l-bounces at wcbinfo.org] On Behalf Of Sue
> >> Ammeter
> >> Sent:  Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:56 AM
> >> To: wcb-l at wcbinfo.org
> >> Subject: [Wcb-l]  FW: Walmart Talking Prescription Containers:
> >> Ordering Information
> 
> 
> 
> >> Walmart Expands Program to Provide  Talking Prescription Containers
> 
> >> Need information about how to order  Talking Prescription Containers
> >> for prescription medication obtained from  Walmart? You'll find
> >> everything you need in this post. In June, 2012,  Walmart became the
> >> first national pharmacy retailer to offer Talking  Prescription
> >> Containers free of charge to persons with visual impairments.  The
> >> ScripTalk Talking Prescription program is being offered to customers
> >> across the country through Walmart mail order. In addition to the
> >> national  mail order program, Walmart now offers ScripTalk at
> >> 33 stores around the  country. A list of stores where ScripTalk is
> >> available, as well as  instructions for ordering, appear below. Read
> >> the June, 2012 Walmart press  release announcing its ScripTalk
> >> initiative.
> 
> >> Information you need to  order Talking Prescription Containers from
> >> Walmart
> 
> >> .. To order ScripTalk  talking prescription containers for use with
> >> prescription medications  obtained from Walmart, you must first
> >> contact Walmart. For mail order,  Walmart has a dedicated toll free
> >> phone line for ScripTalk requests. The  toll free number is
> >> 1-888-227-3403. You may also contact any of the stores  listed below
> >> directly for information on receiving ScripTalk containers  from those
> >> stores.
> 
> >> .. To listen to the talking label provided by  Walmart, you will need
> >> reading device from Envision America, the company  that makes
> >> ScripTalk. The device is called the ScripTalk reader (or the
> >> ScripTalk machine or device) and is available free of charge to
> >> Walmart  pharmacy customers who are blind. After you have contacted
> >> Walmart, you  will need to contact Envision America to order your
> >> device. Envision  America has a dedicated toll-free line for requests,
> >> and for general  ScripTalk service & inquiries. The toll-free Envision
> >> America number is  1-855-773-2579 (1-855-SPEAK-RX.)
> 
> >> .. You only need to order the device  once: it will work with any
> >> Talking Prescription label you receive from  Walmart.
> 
> >> .. Walmart is currently also offering the Talking Prescription  labels
> >> in thirty three stores across the country, listed at the end of this
> >> post. As with mail order, you will need to contact both the Walmart
> >> store  (for the prescription medication) and Envision America (for the
> > ScripTalk  reader).
> 
> >> .. If you are a Walmart customer with a visual impairment who's  store
> >> is not yet offering ScripTalk, contact Walmart at 1-888-227-3403 to
> >> request that the ScripTalk containers be offered at your store. Please
> >> use  the Contact form on this Website to let us know if you have made a
> > request.
> 
> 
> 
> >> We also welcome your feedback about the Walmart  Talking Prescription
> >> Container initiative. To contact the Law Office of  Lainey Feingold,
> >> please use the Contact Form on this website. To contact  co-counsel at
> >> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian and Ho, please call toll free at
> > 1-800-822-5000.
> 
> >> Walmart Stores Where ScripTalk is  Available
> 
> >> Walmart customers across the United States can order  ScripTalk
> >> Talking Prescription Containers through Walmart mail order by  calling
> >> 1-888-227-3403. In addition, the Talking Containers are available  at
> >> the following Walmart Stores. (After contacting the store, you will
> >> need  to contact Envision America toll free at 1-855-773-2579 to
> >> obtain the ScripTalk
> >> reader.)
> 
> >> Walmart #432
> >> 214 Haynes St
> >> Talladega,  Alabama 35160
> >> Local Phone: 256-761-1819
> 
> >> Walmart #2113
> >> 1607 W  Bethany Home Rd
> >> Phoenix, Arizona 85015
> >> Local Phone:  602-246-6601
> 
> >> Walmart #2280
> >> 600 Showers Dr
> >> Mountain View,  California 94040
> >> Local Phone: 650-971-0878
> 
> >> Walmart #2598
> >> 3661  Truxel Rd
> >> Sacramento, California 95834
> >> Local Phone:  916-928-9673
> 
> >> Walmart #2751
> >> 601 Englewood Pkwy
> >> Englewood, Colorado  80110
> >> Local Phone: 303-789-7209
> 
> >> Walmart #3125
> >> 3615 W Bowles  Ave
> >> Littleton, Colorado 80123
> >> Local Phone: 303-218-4879
> 
> >> Sam's  Club #8120
> >> 3122 Dick Wilson Blvd
> >> Tallahassee, Florida 32301
> >> Local  Phone: 850-671-2711
> 
> >> Sam's Club #8138
> >> 1175 Beville Rd
> >> Daytona  Beach, Florida 32119
> >> Local Phone: 386-760-3078
> 
> >> Walmart #3235
> >> 1425  NE 163rd St
> >> North Miami Beach, Florida 33162
> >> Local Phone:  305-949-5451
> 
> >> Walmart #4520
> >> 4021 Lagniappe Way
> >> Tallahassee,  Florida 32317
> >> Local Phone: 850-656-7211
> 
> >> Walmart #579
> >> 2355 US  Highway 1 S
> >> St. Augustine, Florida 32086
> >> Local Phone:  904-794-4134
> 
> >> Walmart #5854
> >> 8400 Coral Way
> >> Miami, Florida  33155
> >> Local Phone: 305-351-9519
> 
> >> Walmart #3210
> >> 2760 No. Dirksen  Pkwy
> >> Springfield, Illinois 62702
> >> Local Phone:  217-522-4054
> 
> >> Walmart #1580
> >> 10617 E Washington St
> >> Indianapolis,  Indiana 46229
> >> Local Phone: 317-895-0316
> 
> >> Walmart #5991
> >> 3137 S  Seneca St
> >> Wichita, Kansas 67207
> >> Local Phone: 316-361-3351
> 
> >> Walmart  #1206
> >> 3132 College Dr
> >> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
> >> Local Phone:  225-952-0776
> 
> >> Walmart #2867
> >> 3225 Towne Center Blvd
> >> Lansing,  Michigan 48912
> >> Local Phone: 517-487-9161
> 
> >> Walmart #2939
> >> 200  Marketplace Drive
> >> Richland, Mississippi 39218
> >> Local Phone:  601-939-2958
> 
> >> Walmart #391
> >> 2270 W Main St
> >> Tupelo, Mississippi  38801
> >> Local Phone: 662-842-9375
> 
> >> Walmart #1014
> >> 4000 S Bolger  Rd
> >> Independence, Missouri 64055
> >> Local Phone: 816-478-3975
> 
> >> Walmart  #1872
> >> 2750 Prospect Ave
> >> Helena, Montana 59601
> >> Local Phone:  406-443-3455
> 
> >> Walmart #2593
> >> 2310 E Serene Ave
> >> Las Vegas, Nevada  89123
> >> Local Phone: 702-270-7837
> 
> >> Walmart #5178
> >> 220 Enterprise  Dr
> >> Rockaway, New Jersey 07866
> >> Local Phone: 973-361-6709
> 
> >> Walmart  #2210
> >> 3290 Sheridan Dr
> >> Amherst, New York 14226
> >> Local Phone:  716-691-0738
> 
> >> Walmart #2058
> >> 1725 New Hope Church Rd
> >> Raleigh, North  Carolina 27609
> >> Local Phone: 919-790-9856
> 
> >> Walmart #2552
> >> 4200 SE  82nd Ave
> >> Portland, Oregon 97266
> >> Local Phone: 503-788-0400
> 
> >> Walmart  #2141
> >> 1675 S Christopher Columbus Bl
> >> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  19148
> >> Local Phone: 215-468-4230
> 
> >> Walmart #1183
> >> 2401 Augusta  Rd
> >> West Columbia, South Carolina 29169
> >> Local Phone:  803-791-8114
> 
> >> Walmart #2625
> >> 1025 West Trinity Mills Rd
> >> Carrollton,  Texas 75006
> >> 888-227-3403
> >> Mail Order Center
> 
> >> Walmart #4554
> >> 2525  W Anderson Ln
> >> Austin, Texas 78757
> >> Local Phone:  512-354-8904
> 
> >> Walmart #651
> >> 4145 Dowlen Rd
> >> Beaumont, Texas  77706
> >> Local Phone: 409-899-3615
> 
> >> Sam's Club #6686
> >> 300 W 1905  S
> >> Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
> >> Local Phone: 801-478-1695
> 
> >> Walmart  #5753
> >> 6303 Richmond Hwy
> >> Alexandria, Virginia 22306
> >> Local Phone:  703-253-9908
> 
> >> Walmart #5697
> >> 7025 W. Main St
> >> Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53214
> >> Local Phone: 414-203-0683
> 
> >> Walmart #2625
> >> 1025 West Trinity  Mills Rd
> >> Carrollton, Texas 75006
> >> Phone: 972-323-4600
> 
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> >> Law Office of Lainey  Feingold
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> >> 510.548.5062
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> >> Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian &  Ho
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> >> 510.763.9800
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