From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 18:24:33 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 13:24:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
	talking glucose meter
Message-ID: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>

Hi folks. 
I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
Feb. 
I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
I take my class tomorrow morning. 
It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
glucose meter. 
What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
meter. 
I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
Anybody have any advice? 




From dwmasters15 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 19:09:26 2013
From: dwmasters15 at gmail.com (Dean Masters)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:09:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
	atalking glucose meter
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References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
Message-ID: <65D50552E35149F290EF33F804F1F8ED@MastersPC>

I would recommend the Prodidgy Voice which is totally accessible. the 
Prodidgy AutoCode just tells you the reading but does not read the memory.

I test on the sides of my fingers so it doesn't mess with the part that you 
read Braille with. I test twice a day so use one side of a finger in the 
morning and the other side in the evening. The next day I go to the next 
finger.

I don't use a Prodidgy now and don't remember what the strips were like when 
I used the Prodidgy Autocode. I use the Solus V2 talking meter which also 
reads the memory. You can feel a grrove groove at the end of this strip and 
that is where the blood goes. So after pricking my finger I squeeze it then 
lightly rub that part of the finger onto the top of the strip at the end 
where the groove is.

Years ago when you had to use more blood you had to drip a drop onto the 
strip but now you can touch the strip.

Dean


-----Original Message----- 
From: Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:24 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about 
atalking glucose meter

Hi folks.
I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
Feb.
I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
I take my class tomorrow morning.
It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
glucose meter.
What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
meter.
I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
Anybody have any advice?


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From mota1252 at samobile.net  Sun Dec  1 19:26:41 2013
From: mota1252 at samobile.net (Milton Ota)
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
 atalking glucose meter
Message-ID: a01b156e-52b8-4c67-9c5e-b09318ea6d4f@samobile.net

As for the Prodogy Voice you are able to get a memory reading.

I find the Prodogy the best and you can get the Prodogy from the 
Independence Market/National Center of the National Federation of the Blind.

The test strips are different from the Acu Check voice Mate which is no 
longer available.

As for the lancet that comes with the Prodogy voice, I prefer the 
Lancet that came with the Acu Check Voice Mate and if you check with 
your Pharmacist they might be able to get that lancet for you.

HTH

Original message:
> I would recommend the Prodidgy Voice which is totally accessible. the
> Prodidgy AutoCode just tells you the reading but does not read the memory.

> I test on the sides of my fingers so it doesn't mess with the part that you
> read Braille with. I test twice a day so use one side of a finger in the
> morning and the other side in the evening. The next day I go to the next
> finger.

> I don't use a Prodidgy now and don't remember what the strips were like when
> I used the Prodidgy Autocode. I use the Solus V2 talking meter which also
> reads the memory. You can feel a grrove groove at the end of this strip and
> that is where the blood goes. So after pricking my finger I squeeze it then
> lightly rub that part of the finger onto the top of the strip at the end
> where the groove is.

> Years ago when you had to use more blood you had to drip a drop onto the
> strip but now you can touch the strip.

> Dean


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:24 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
> atalking glucose meter

> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
> I take my class tomorrow morning.
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice?


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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  1 19:37:29 2013
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:37:29 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
 atalking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: a01b156e-52b8-4c67-9c5e-b09318ea6d4f@samobile.net
References: a01b156e-52b8-4c67-9c5e-b09318ea6d4f@samobile.net
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I use the solo v2 meter, just as good, full features as the Prodigy.

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> From: mota1252 at samobile.net
> To: dwmasters15 at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:26:41 -0500
> CC: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about atalking glucose meter
> 
> As for the Prodogy Voice you are able to get a memory reading.
> 
> I find the Prodogy the best and you can get the Prodogy from the 
> Independence Market/National Center of the National Federation of the Blind.
> 
> The test strips are different from the Acu Check voice Mate which is no 
> longer available.
> 
> As for the lancet that comes with the Prodogy voice, I prefer the 
> Lancet that came with the Acu Check Voice Mate and if you check with 
> your Pharmacist they might be able to get that lancet for you.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Original message:
> > I would recommend the Prodidgy Voice which is totally accessible. the
> > Prodidgy AutoCode just tells you the reading but does not read the memory.
> 
> > I test on the sides of my fingers so it doesn't mess with the part that you
> > read Braille with. I test twice a day so use one side of a finger in the
> > morning and the other side in the evening. The next day I go to the next
> > finger.
> 
> > I don't use a Prodidgy now and don't remember what the strips were like when
> > I used the Prodidgy Autocode. I use the Solus V2 talking meter which also
> > reads the memory. You can feel a grrove groove at the end of this strip and
> > that is where the blood goes. So after pricking my finger I squeeze it then
> > lightly rub that part of the finger onto the top of the strip at the end
> > where the groove is.
> 
> > Years ago when you had to use more blood you had to drip a drop onto the
> > strip but now you can touch the strip.
> 
> > Dean
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Star Gazer
> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:24 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
> > atalking glucose meter
> 
> > Hi folks.
> > I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
> > Feb.
> > I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
> > I take my class tomorrow morning.
> > It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
> > glucose meter.
> > What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
> > wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
> > meter.
> > I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
> > line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
> > using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
> > my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> > Anybody have any advice?
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
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From julie.kline at rochester.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 21:23:01 2013
From: julie.kline at rochester.rr.com (Julie Kline)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:23:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
	a	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
Message-ID: <009201ceeedb$83ef4e30$8bcdea90$@rochester.rr.com>

I have tried both the prodigy voice and the solo talking meters, and I like
the features and voices on both.  They are clear and easy to understand.  My
experience with testing is that honestly I haven't had any luck with either
meter.  I just can't seem to get enough blood for either meter to do an
accurate sample and I have tried everything.  After enough bad experiences
with testing, I gave up on testing myself altogether.  Like you, I don't
want to callous my fingers so much to where I can't read Braille anymore.  I
hope that someone else will have better ideas that they can offer you, but
this has just been my experience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
talking glucose meter

Hi folks. 
I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
Feb. 
I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
I take my class tomorrow morning. 
It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
glucose meter. 
What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
meter. 
I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
Anybody have any advice? 


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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 21:39:06 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:39:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
	atalking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <529b8d8a.4489e50a.06c7.177aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <529b8d8a.4489e50a.06c7.177aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003b01ceeedd$c308f3d0$491adb70$@com>

Why do you prefer the other type of lanceit? 
And,, what is a memory reading? This is all new to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 2:27 PM
To: dwmasters15 at gmail.com
Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
atalking glucose meter

As for the Prodogy Voice you are able to get a memory reading.

I find the Prodogy the best and you can get the Prodogy from the
Independence Market/National Center of the National Federation of the Blind.

The test strips are different from the Acu Check voice Mate which is no
longer available.

As for the lancet that comes with the Prodogy voice, I prefer the Lancet
that came with the Acu Check Voice Mate and if you check with your
Pharmacist they might be able to get that lancet for you.

HTH

Original message:
> I would recommend the Prodidgy Voice which is totally accessible. the 
> Prodidgy AutoCode just tells you the reading but does not read the memory.

> I test on the sides of my fingers so it doesn't mess with the part 
> that you read Braille with. I test twice a day so use one side of a 
> finger in the morning and the other side in the evening. The next day 
> I go to the next finger.

> I don't use a Prodidgy now and don't remember what the strips were 
> like when I used the Prodidgy Autocode. I use the Solus V2 talking 
> meter which also reads the memory. You can feel a grrove groove at the 
> end of this strip and that is where the blood goes. So after pricking 
> my finger I squeeze it then lightly rub that part of the finger onto 
> the top of the strip at the end where the groove is.

> Years ago when you had to use more blood you had to drip a drop onto 
> the strip but now you can touch the strip.

> Dean


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:24 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about atalking glucose meter

> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is 
> due in Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
> I take my class tomorrow morning.
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy 
> talking glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a 
> different meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out 
> how I line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am 
> not testing using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a 
> point other then my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to
work.
> Anybody have any advice?


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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 21:41:48 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:41:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
	about	a	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <009201ceeedb$83ef4e30$8bcdea90$@rochester.rr.com>
References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
	<009201ceeedb$83ef4e30$8bcdea90$@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ceeede$249c0c40$6dd424c0$@com>

Hi Julie, 
If I can ask, who tests you? 
Where on your body have you been testing, and do you have the nettle set to
the deepest setting? I'm assuming yes. 
My dad suggested I test on the part of my hand between my thumb and index
finger. 
Will that work?
Dean, I like your suggestion too. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Julie Kline
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:23 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
a talking glucose meter

I have tried both the prodigy voice and the solo talking meters, and I like
the features and voices on both.  They are clear and easy to understand.  My
experience with testing is that honestly I haven't had any luck with either
meter.  I just can't seem to get enough blood for either meter to do an
accurate sample and I have tried everything.  After enough bad experiences
with testing, I gave up on testing myself altogether.  Like you, I don't
want to callous my fingers so much to where I can't read Braille anymore.  I
hope that someone else will have better ideas that they can offer you, but
this has just been my experience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
talking glucose meter

Hi folks. 
I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
Feb. 
I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
I take my class tomorrow morning. 
It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
glucose meter. 
What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
meter. 
I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
Anybody have any advice? 


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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 21:46:08 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:46:08 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
	about	atalking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <65D50552E35149F290EF33F804F1F8ED@MastersPC>
References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
	<65D50552E35149F290EF33F804F1F8ED@MastersPC>
Message-ID: <004701ceeede$bf8d9340$3ea8b9c0$@com>

My prodidgy also uses the grooved strips. I did find that out. 
I'm not sure if it's the autocode version or the Voice version. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Dean Masters
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 2:09 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
atalking glucose meter

I would recommend the Prodidgy Voice which is totally accessible. the
Prodidgy AutoCode just tells you the reading but does not read the memory.

I test on the sides of my fingers so it doesn't mess with the part that you
read Braille with. I test twice a day so use one side of a finger in the
morning and the other side in the evening. The next day I go to the next
finger.

I don't use a Prodidgy now and don't remember what the strips were like when
I used the Prodidgy Autocode. I use the Solus V2 talking meter which also
reads the memory. You can feel a grrove groove at the end of this strip and
that is where the blood goes. So after pricking my finger I squeeze it then
lightly rub that part of the finger onto the top of the strip at the end
where the groove is.

Years ago when you had to use more blood you had to drip a drop onto the
strip but now you can touch the strip.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:24 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
atalking glucose meter

Hi folks.
I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
Feb.
I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
I take my class tomorrow morning.
It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
glucose meter.
What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
meter.
I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
Anybody have any advice?


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From mota1252 at samobile.net  Sun Dec  1 22:26:46 2013
From: mota1252 at samobile.net (Milton Ota)
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:26:46 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
 atalking glucose meter
Message-ID: 4899fea4-20bd-4be7-9384-f10d3ca28daf@samobile.net

I find that the spring in the barrol is much stronger and I can use the 
lancet up to four to five times. I don't know about the lancet that 
comes with the Prodogy voice.

On the Prodogy voice there is a large round button and when held down 
it will go into memory mode and then using the up and down keys you can 
scroll  through the memory.

If you are needing an earphone jack, there is one on the Prodogy and it 
will take a 3.5 inch plug, the size of plug found on most headphones today.

The meter uses 2 triple A batteries and they last quite long.

HTH.

Original message:
> Why do you prefer the other type of lanceit?
> And,, what is a memory reading? This is all new to me.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Milton Ota
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 2:27 PM
> To: dwmasters15 at gmail.com
> Cc: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
> atalking glucose meter

> As for the Prodogy Voice you are able to get a memory reading.

> I find the Prodogy the best and you can get the Prodogy from the
> Independence Market/National Center of the National Federation of the Blind.

> The test strips are different from the Acu Check voice Mate which is no
> longer available.

> As for the lancet that comes with the Prodogy voice, I prefer the Lancet
> that came with the Acu Check Voice Mate and if you check with your
> Pharmacist they might be able to get that lancet for you.

> HTH

> Original message:
>> I would recommend the Prodidgy Voice which is totally accessible. the
>> Prodidgy AutoCode just tells you the reading but does not read the memory.

>> I test on the sides of my fingers so it doesn't mess with the part
>> that you read Braille with. I test twice a day so use one side of a
>> finger in the morning and the other side in the evening. The next day
>> I go to the next finger.

>> I don't use a Prodidgy now and don't remember what the strips were
>> like when I used the Prodidgy Autocode. I use the Solus V2 talking
>> meter which also reads the memory. You can feel a grrove groove at the
>> end of this strip and that is where the blood goes. So after pricking
>> my finger I squeeze it then lightly rub that part of the finger onto
>> the top of the strip at the end where the groove is.

>> Years ago when you had to use more blood you had to drip a drop onto
>> the strip but now you can touch the strip.

>> Dean


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Star Gazer
>> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:24 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
>> about atalking glucose meter

>> Hi folks.
>> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
>> due in Feb.
>> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
>> I take my class tomorrow morning.
>> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
>> talking glucose meter.
>> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
>> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
>> different meter.
>> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
>> how I line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am
>> not testing using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a
>> point other then my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to
> work.
>> Anybody have any advice?


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From joystigile at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 23:54:16 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 15:54:16 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some
	questionsabout	a	talking glucose meter
References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com><009201ceeedb$83ef4e30$8bcdea90$@rochester.rr.com>
	<003c01ceeede$249c0c40$6dd424c0$@com>
Message-ID: <62C532D5E1144A118B250C906E1FC962@DBTOA000>

Hi!

I have been testing my blood using the sides of each of my fingers for all 
most 30 years and I have no calluses.  I have no problem reading Braille.

Fondly, Joy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questionsabout a 
talking glucose meter


> Hi Julie,
> If I can ask, who tests you?
> Where on your body have you been testing, and do you have the nettle set 
> to
> the deepest setting? I'm assuming yes.
> My dad suggested I test on the part of my hand between my thumb and index
> finger.
> Will that work?
> Dean, I like your suggestion too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Julie Kline
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about
> a talking glucose meter
>
> I have tried both the prodigy voice and the solo talking meters, and I 
> like
> the features and voices on both.  They are clear and easy to understand. 
> My
> experience with testing is that honestly I haven't had any luck with 
> either
> meter.  I just can't seem to get enough blood for either meter to do an
> accurate sample and I have tried everything.  After enough bad experiences
> with testing, I gave up on testing myself altogether.  Like you, I don't
> want to callous my fingers so much to where I can't read Braille anymore. 
> I
> hope that someone else will have better ideas that they can offer you, but
> this has just been my experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
> talking glucose meter
>
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
> I take my class tomorrow morning.
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other 
> then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice?
>
>
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From wsloan118 at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec  3 00:17:39 2013
From: wsloan118 at roadrunner.com (Wanda Sloan)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:17:39 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
	a	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com>
Message-ID: <000001ceefbd$13bf61d0$3b3e2570$@roadrunner.com>

Have you tried your thumb?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
talking glucose meter

Hi folks. 
I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
Feb. 
I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
I take my class tomorrow morning. 
It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
glucose meter. 
What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
meter. 
I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
Anybody have any advice? 


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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Mon Dec  2 00:24:37 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:24:37 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have
	some	questionsabout	a	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <62C532D5E1144A118B250C906E1FC962@DBTOA000>
References: <008601ceeec2$95fcec90$c1f6c5b0$@com><009201ceeedb$83ef4e30$8bcdea90$@rochester.rr.com>	<003c01ceeede$249c0c40$6dd424c0$@com>
	<62C532D5E1144A118B250C906E1FC962@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <003901ceeef4$e2a09a10$a7e1ce30$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

Hi there!
Joy, you beat me to it. I too use the sides of my fingers. Now, I do have
pretty big lumps on the sides of my fingers now but they don't get in the
way of touching anything or of reading braille. It's also much less painful
to use the sides of your fingers than the pads. The main problem using that
webbing between the thumb and first finger is that it's a rather small area
and will get beat up pretty quickly. When you have your class, someone will
probably talk with you about coming up with a system for who gets pricked
when. For me, Monday and Friday are the outside of my right hand. Tuesday
and Saturday are the outside of the fingers on my left hand. Wednesday is
the inside of the fingers on my right and Thursday, the inside of my left.
Sunday gets divided up among whoever on the inside got the least amount of
battering during the week. On each day, first test is my little finger and I
work my way through my hand as the day goes on. I don't test my thumbs
Usually diabetes education people have a variety of lancing devices around
and may let you play with them to see what works best for you. 
Just remember to be patient with yourself in the beginning. It does take
some trial and error to get your system down. And here's sending good
thoughts for a happy, healthy baby!
Veronica

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-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 3:54 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questionsabout a
talking glucose meter

Hi!

I have been testing my blood using the sides of each of my fingers for all 
most 30 years and I have no calluses.  I have no problem reading Braille.

Fondly, Joy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questionsabout a

talking glucose meter


> Hi Julie,
> If I can ask, who tests you?
> Where on your body have you been testing, and do you have the nettle set 
> to
> the deepest setting? I'm assuming yes.
> My dad suggested I test on the part of my hand between my thumb and index
> finger.
> Will that work?
> Dean, I like your suggestion too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Julie Kline
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about
> a talking glucose meter
>
> I have tried both the prodigy voice and the solo talking meters, and I 
> like
> the features and voices on both.  They are clear and easy to understand. 
> My
> experience with testing is that honestly I haven't had any luck with 
> either
> meter.  I just can't seem to get enough blood for either meter to do an
> accurate sample and I have tried everything.  After enough bad experiences
> with testing, I gave up on testing myself altogether.  Like you, I don't
> want to callous my fingers so much to where I can't read Braille anymore. 
> I
> hope that someone else will have better ideas that they can offer you, but
> this has just been my experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
> talking glucose meter
>
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
> I take my class tomorrow morning.
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other 
> then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice?
>
>
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Mon Dec  2 13:31:29 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
	a talking glucose meter
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	<000001ceefbd$13bf61d0$3b3e2570$@roadrunner.com>
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No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about a
> talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks. 
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From wsloan118 at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec  3 14:21:45 2013
From: wsloan118 at roadrunner.com (Wanda Sloan)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:21:45 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
	about	a talking glucose meter
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	<EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>
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I Normally use most of my fingers but the thumb is the first one .  Gives
good blood flow for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 8:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions about
a talking glucose meter

No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks. 
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is 
> due in Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy 
> talking glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a 
> different meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out 
> how I line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am 
> not testing using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a 
> point other then my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to
work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  2 19:03:42 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:03:42 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Mon Dec  2 21:14:33 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have
	some	questionsabout	a	talking glucose meter
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Thank you Joy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 6:54 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questionsabout a
talking glucose meter

Hi!

I have been testing my blood using the sides of each of my fingers for all
most 30 years and I have no calluses.  I have no problem reading Braille.

Fondly, Joy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questionsabout a
talking glucose meter


> Hi Julie,
> If I can ask, who tests you?
> Where on your body have you been testing, and do you have the nettle 
> set to the deepest setting? I'm assuming yes.
> My dad suggested I test on the part of my hand between my thumb and 
> index finger.
> Will that work?
> Dean, I like your suggestion too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Julie Kline
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
>
> I have tried both the prodigy voice and the solo talking meters, and I 
> like the features and voices on both.  They are clear and easy to 
> understand.
> My
> experience with testing is that honestly I haven't had any luck with 
> either meter.  I just can't seem to get enough blood for either meter 
> to do an accurate sample and I have tried everything.  After enough 
> bad experiences with testing, I gave up on testing myself altogether.  
> Like you, I don't want to callous my fingers so much to where I can't 
> read Braille anymore.
> I
> hope that someone else will have better ideas that they can offer you, 
> but this has just been my experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
>
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is 
> due in Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day.
> I take my class tomorrow morning.
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy 
> talking glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a 
> different meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out 
> how I line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am 
> not testing using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a 
> point other then my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that 
> seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice?
>
>
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Mon Dec  2 21:18:02 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:18:02 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
	abouta	talking glucose meter
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Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  3 00:32:28 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some
	questionsabouta	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1497696420A502632BD4B36C4D50@phx.gbl>

Allegedly, the Prodigy doesn't require much blood, sometimes I need more
than you would think. I think it's more the test strip than the meter
though. Also, another tip, keep your finger on the strip a little longer
even after it accepts blood just to make sure it has enough.

Not to be a downer, but the software for the meter they gave you may not
be accessible. This has been my experience thus far with software for
meters and insulin pumps (I'm on a pump). Hopefully it will work for
you, but I would check right away. Medical persons think that all
software will work since computers can be made accessible, but often,
the software for diabetes products isn't coded correctly to work with
screenreaders.

And if you want to email me off list with questions or anything, I'm
bpollpeter at hotmail.com

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some
questionsabouta talking glucose meter


Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Dec  3 20:25:39 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:25:39 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some
	questions	abouta	talking glucose meter
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References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>
	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>
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I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 20:31:45 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have
	some	questions	abouta	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>
	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Dec  3 20:32:55 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:32:55 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes
	have	some	questions	abouta	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>
	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>
Message-ID: <040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  3 20:54:15 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:54:15 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes
	havesome	questions	abouta	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP239C2CD75D07B5A2ADF0853C4D50@phx.gbl>

This is how I test as well. Hold the meter with one hand, and guide it
to the finger you pricked. And as Mike suggests, try to keep your finger
flat against the strip. And don't forget to hold your finger on the
strip a few seconds longer even after it accepts the blood.

I've used several meters through the years, and even when sighted, I
tested this way.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes havesome questions
abouta talking glucose meter


Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger
using my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via
computer; there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe
any of these protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution
on your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice
and autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip
to your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting
blood on the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want
a bead of blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice
makes perfect and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years
ago with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the
Gap". The article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different
insulins now than I was in the article. But the general advice is good
and there's an article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 15:11:34 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational
	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>
	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec  5 17:36:10 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:36:10 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking
	glucose meter
In-Reply-To: <00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>
	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>
Message-ID: <007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 17:45:53 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose
	meter
In-Reply-To: <007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>
	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> unner.com
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec  5 17:58:08 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:58:08 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>
	<00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>
Message-ID: <007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 18:20:06 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>	<00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>
	<007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01cef1e6$a0724ae0$e156e0a0$@com>

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec  5 18:26:40 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:26:40 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <00ed01cef1e6$a0724ae0$e156e0a0$@com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>	<00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>	<007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>
	<00ed01cef1e6$a0724ae0$e156e0a0$@com>
Message-ID: <007a01cef1e7$8b520230$a1f60690$@panix.com>

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 18:30:32 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:30:32 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <007a01cef1e7$8b520230$a1f60690$@panix.com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>	<00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>	<007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>	<00ed01cef1e6$a0724ae0$e156e0a0$@com>
	<007a01cef1e7$8b520230$a1f60690$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <010801cef1e8$157be1b0$4073a510$@com>

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec  5 18:46:18 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:46:18 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 19:33:59 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:33:59 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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	<008301cef1ea$49d8a860$dd89f920$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000601cef1f0$f3322d40$d99687c0$@com>

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
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Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


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Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec  5 20:09:09 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:09:09 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Just keep the bottles closed and in a dry environment, i.e., don't test in
the shower. (smirk)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec  5 20:16:41 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:16:41 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <000601cef1f0$f3322d40$d99687c0$@com>
References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>	<00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>	<007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>	<00ed01cef1e6$a0724ae0$e156e0a0$@com>	<007a01cef1e7$8b520230$a1f60690$@panix.com>	<010801cef1e8$157be1b0$4073a510$@com>	<008301cef1ea$49d8a860$dd89f920$@panix.com>
	<000601cef1f0$f3322d40$d99687c0$@com>
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One more thing: while I understand why you might be worried about this, I
think you're obsessing a bit over this. Relax. You'll get the hang of things
and it will all work out. You may be frustrated at first but the best advice
is the usual saw: practice, practice, practice and then practice, practice,
practice some more.

Also, read the booklet I sent you. There's an article by the late Ed Bryant
in there on finger-sticking techniques.

Incidentally, each bottle of strips has a "desicant", i.e., a drying agent,
in it to wick up excess moisture. I suspect that your difficulties were more
lack of practice than bad strips although bad strips are a possibility. You
can't reclaim strips; they work by chemical action, that is, the strip
reacts with the blood you to produce a small current that your meter reads.

As I say, you'll get the hang of it.

Mike Freeman

P.S. anyone else is welcome to chime in here; all the wisdom in the Universe
didn't arrive when I came on the scene. (big grin)

Happy Holidays, everyone!
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 20:21:03 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:21:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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References: <EBF2C421-BB73-49E8-A04E-CE8098275DF3@gmail.com>	<BLU0-SMTP165DB47022747505EBB593EC4EA0@phx.gbl>	<003b01ceefa3$fc51cc90$f4f565b0$@com>	<03e901cef065$d5bfe810$813fb830$@panix.com>	<014001cef066$b09fb4b0$11df1e10$@com>	<040201cef066$d95f1260$8c1d3720$@panix.com>	<00a901cef1cc$49a69780$dcf3c680$@com>	<007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>	<00cc01cef1e1$d847c1c0$88d74540$@com>	<007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>	<00ed01cef1e6$a0724ae0$e156e0a0$@com>	<007a01cef1e7$8b520230$a1f60690$@panix.com>	<010801cef1e8$157be1b0$4073a510$@com>	<008301cef1ea$49d8a860$dd89f920$@panix.com>	<000601cef1f0$f3322d40$d99687c0$@com>
	<009801cef1f5$dc397e40$94ac7ac0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <001801cef1f7$862c0110$92840330$@com>

Thank you:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:09 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Just keep the bottles closed and in a dry environment, i.e., don't test in
the shower. (smirk)

Mike


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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 20:25:26 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Thank you Mike. I'm just trying to do what's best for my baby as
effectiently as possible. Since you're not a mom, and have never been a mom,
you probably don't grasp this, at least not until any children you have are
actually born. 
They told me that one of the risks with gestational diabetes is that my baby
could get too big. I'm planning and hoping to delivery vaginally and trust
me, I don't want to attempt this with a too big baby. I also don't want my
baby to be too big without her systems being mature. If she's too big, then
she's got to come out whether or not her systems are ready. I'm trying for
her sake to keep this from happening. 
You're right though, I'll get this figured out. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:17 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

One more thing: while I understand why you might be worried about this, I
think you're obsessing a bit over this. Relax. You'll get the hang of things
and it will all work out. You may be frustrated at first but the best advice
is the usual saw: practice, practice, practice and then practice, practice,
practice some more.

Also, read the booklet I sent you. There's an article by the late Ed Bryant
in there on finger-sticking techniques.

Incidentally, each bottle of strips has a "desicant", i.e., a drying agent,
in it to wick up excess moisture. I suspect that your difficulties were more
lack of practice than bad strips although bad strips are a possibility. You
can't reclaim strips; they work by chemical action, that is, the strip
reacts with the blood you to produce a small current that your meter reads.

As I say, you'll get the hang of it.

Mike Freeman

P.S. anyone else is welcome to chime in here; all the wisdom in the Universe
didn't arrive when I came on the scene. (big grin)

Happy Holidays, everyone!
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From julie.kline at rochester.rr.com  Thu Dec  5 21:24:30 2013
From: julie.kline at rochester.rr.com (Julie Kline)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 16:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] a little humor in blood testing
Message-ID: <002d01cef200$62c0b000$28421000$@rochester.rr.com>

This is primarily to Star Gazer but could be of interest to anyone, but I
wanted to offer my recent testing experience during one night this week,
after our meal was done and dishes were put away, etc. etc., I made myself
sit down at our kitchen table with my solo meter and a paper towel and
decided I was going to give testing another go.  It was at a time in the
evening where I wasn't rushing off to be somewhere (rare for me) and not
during a morning or time of day where I had to rush off to work or someplace
else (again, extremely rare for me since we're always going).  My doctor is
mainly interested in fasting blood sugar numbers so he probably wouldn't
have cared about this test, but I figured I may as well start somewhere.  It
wasn't the 30 second test that most people seem to experience here.  As a
matter of fact, it took me probably 4 or 5 minutes, 3 different test strips,
the use of 3 fingers, and 4 sticks with the lancing device set on the
highest it would go to finally get it right where I had enough blood to make
the damn thing work.  (I wonder with the number of items I mentioned here if
they'd make a Christmas carol out of my testing debacle).  Anyway, I got
enough to finally get a reading.  It was the only time this week I ever
messed with the meter.  Prior to that, I haven't touched the meter in
several months because things took so long to do.  I guess what I wonder
from that is maybe I should practice at a time where I'm not against a
deadline, even if my doc or no one else will care about the result.  I know
when I decided to try taking up testing again, I look back on that night and
find the humor there even if it was a handful of things to coordinate.   At
any rate, if things don't go smoothly for you, you can think of my story.
good luck.

 



From jdashiel at shellworld.net  Thu Dec  5 22:38:12 2013
From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 17:38:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] a little humor in blood testing
In-Reply-To: <002d01cef200$62c0b000$28421000$@rochester.rr.com>
References: <002d01cef200$62c0b000$28421000$@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.01.1312051732540.27524@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>

It helps sometimes to run warm water over your hands just before you sit 
down to do the testing.  Generally when people eat the blood moves out 
of extremities and into the core of the body in order to digest the 
food.  Even with the solo meter, I have had my share of failed tests 
until I started getting used to doing  them and I wrote about that on 
this list.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2013, Julie Kline wrote:

> This is primarily to Star Gazer but could be of interest to anyone, but I
> wanted to offer my recent testing experience during one night this week,
> after our meal was done and dishes were put away, etc. etc., I made myself
> sit down at our kitchen table with my solo meter and a paper towel and
> decided I was going to give testing another go.  It was at a time in the
> evening where I wasn't rushing off to be somewhere (rare for me) and not
> during a morning or time of day where I had to rush off to work or someplace
> else (again, extremely rare for me since we're always going).  My doctor is
> mainly interested in fasting blood sugar numbers so he probably wouldn't
> have cared about this test, but I figured I may as well start somewhere.  It
> wasn't the 30 second test that most people seem to experience here.  As a
> matter of fact, it took me probably 4 or 5 minutes, 3 different test strips,
> the use of 3 fingers, and 4 sticks with the lancing device set on the
> highest it would go to finally get it right where I had enough blood to make
> the damn thing work.  (I wonder with the number of items I mentioned here if
> they'd make a Christmas carol out of my testing debacle).  Anyway, I got
> enough to finally get a reading.  It was the only time this week I ever
> messed with the meter.  Prior to that, I haven't touched the meter in
> several months because things took so long to do.  I guess what I wonder
> from that is maybe I should practice at a time where I'm not against a
> deadline, even if my doc or no one else will care about the result.  I know
> when I decided to try taking up testing again, I look back on that night and
> find the humor there even if it was a handful of things to coordinate.   At
> any rate, if things don't go smoothly for you, you can think of my story.
> good luck.
> 
>  
> 
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From n8tnv at att.net  Fri Dec  6 00:43:34 2013
From: n8tnv at att.net (COLLEEN ROTH)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 19:43:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] a little humor in blood testing
Message-ID: <20131206004334.n8tnv@att.net>

 Hello,
I can really relate to this.
I don't even have the luxury of getting enough blood.
I usuually allow about thirty minutes.
Forget doing this in the morning before coffee.
Colleen Roth



----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Kline <julie.kline at rochester.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Thursday, December 5, 2013 4:24 pm
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] a little humor in blood testing

>
>
> This is primarily to Star Gazer but could be of interest to anyone, but I
> wanted to offer my recent testing experience during one night this week,
> after our meal was done and dishes were put away, etc. etc., I made myself
> sit down at our kitchen table with my solo meter and a paper towel and
> decided I was going to give testing another go.  It was at a time in the
> evening where I wasn't rushing off to be somewhere (rare for me) and not
> during a morning or time of day where I had to rush off to work or someplace
> else (again, extremely rare for me since we're always going).  My doctor is
> mainly interested in fasting blood sugar numbers so he probably wouldn't
> have cared about this test, but I figured I may as well start somewhere.  It
> wasn't the 30 second test that most people seem to experience here.  As a
> matter of fact, it took me probably 4 or 5 minutes, 3 different test strips,
> the use of 3 fingers, and 4 sticks with the lancing device set on the
> highest it would go to finally get it right where I had enough blood to make
> the damn thing work.  (I wonder with the number of items I mentioned here if
> they'd make a Christmas carol out of my testing debacle).  Anyway, I got
> enough to finally get a reading.  It was the only time this week I ever
> messed with the meter.  Prior to that, I haven't touched the meter in
> several months because things took so long to do.  I guess what I wonder
> from that is maybe I should practice at a time where I'm not against a
> deadline, even if my doc or no one else will care about the result.  I know
> when I decided to try taking up testing again, I look back on that night and
> find the humor there even if it was a handful of things to coordinate.   At
> any rate, if things don't go smoothly for you, you can think of my story.
> good luck.
> 
>  
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  6 05:36:51 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 23:36:51 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talkingglucose meter
In-Reply-To: <007501cef1e0$7d93f560$78bbe020$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP170F721C75F4A7E4C663DA9C4D60@phx.gbl>

Agree with Mike, and keeping finger flat against strip really helps, or
rather keeping strip flat to finger.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:36 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk]gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talkingglucose meter


I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place
the strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the
meter times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you.
<smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger
using my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via
computer; there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe
any of these protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution
on your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice
and autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip
to your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting
blood on the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want
a bead of blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice
makes perfect and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years
ago with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the
Gap". The article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different
insulins now than I was in the article. But the general advice is good
and there's an article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  6 05:41:54 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 23:41:54 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <007901cef1e3$8eadad20$ac090760$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP157A33EC972CD9955ACA857C4D60@phx.gbl>

Yes, the only times I have problems is when I receive strips from
different manufacturers. My pharmacy seems to switch a lot, or maybe
it's Medicare, but I don't find the meter to have problems much but more
the type of strip. Things will work beautifully, then I start using a
new type of strip, and problems develop. Nothing as of yet that made
testing near impossible, but more issues with errors. I've had diabetes
long enough that my body recognizes extremes, so the odd times I get an
off reading, I usually know based on how I feel and will re-test. The
not enough blood error is a real pain in the but though.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:58 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk]gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is
*not* the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or
can't get a reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the
meter ten or twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working
temperature, i.e., haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using
it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also
got the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and
knows how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a
lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here.

I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place
the strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the
meter times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you.
<smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger
using my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via
computer; there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe
any of these protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution
on your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice
and autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip
to your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting
blood on the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want
a bead of blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice
makes perfect and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years
ago with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the
Gap". The article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different
insulins now than I was in the article. But the general advice is good
and there's an article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  6 05:49:28 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 23:49:28 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <009901cef1f6$e9da4dd0$bd8ee970$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP11469952FB6AA552AACBEEEC4D60@phx.gbl>

Maybe us type one's get the hang of testing quicker because we usually
have to test much more frequently than type two's or those with
justational diabetes. Not saying this is across the board, and I know
two's who have the technique down and type one's who do not, but in my
experience, type one's have a better technique and learn how to do it
quicker, and it makes sense that it may be due to the frequency of
testing. I'm suppose to test 6 times a day, and end up testing between 8
to 10 times, so this is different than those only required to test 4
times or less. Doesn't mean you can't get the hang of it though. It's
like anything, practice makes perfect, if sore fingers in this case,
grin.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:17 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk]gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


One more thing: while I understand why you might be worried about this,
I think you're obsessing a bit over this. Relax. You'll get the hang of
things and it will all work out. You may be frustrated at first but the
best advice is the usual saw: practice, practice, practice and then
practice, practice, practice some more.

Also, read the booklet I sent you. There's an article by the late Ed
Bryant in there on finger-sticking techniques.

Incidentally, each bottle of strips has a "desicant", i.e., a drying
agent, in it to wick up excess moisture. I suspect that your
difficulties were more lack of practice than bad strips although bad
strips are a possibility. You can't reclaim strips; they work by
chemical action, that is, the strip reacts with the blood you to produce
a small current that your meter reads.

As I say, you'll get the hang of it.

Mike Freeman

P.S. anyone else is welcome to chime in here; all the wisdom in the
Universe didn't arrive when I came on the scene. (big grin)

Happy Holidays, everyone!
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription
to get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of
strips. I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had
no confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips,
is there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in
a climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up
strips v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish.
If your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together
determine how many you usually use or should use each day and the
insurance will assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get
to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a
case of technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was
working with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips
were fine, didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get
more strips so we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory
is a good one. Is there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is
*not* the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or
can't get a reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the
meter ten or twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working
temperature, i.e., haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using
it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also
got the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and
knows how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a
lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here.

I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place
the strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the
meter times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you.
<smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger
using my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via
computer; there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe
any of these protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution
on your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice
and autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip
to your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting
blood on the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want
a bead of blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice
makes perfect and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years
ago with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the
Gap". The article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different
insulins now than I was in the article. But the general advice is good
and there's an article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
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> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  6 05:56:04 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 23:56:04 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <001c01cef1f8$2259ffb0$670dff10$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP162A1AD40C511C4FA7D0CB5C4D60@phx.gbl>

There are many here who can speak with more wisdom and experience, but
having just had a baby 15 months ago, I understand your concerns. The
best way to deal with this though is to relax, follow what your doctor
prescribes and be in communication with your doctor. Stress actually can
mess your glucose levels, and you're already pregnant, so try to relax
and be positive. Be aware and educate yourself, but don't get caught up
in the what-ifs.

Three things that helped me were frequent testing, exercise and eating
super healthy. Don't do anything without discussing it with your doctor
first, but these things helped me control blood sugars and just helped
with pregnancy in general. And oh, drink a ton of water, grin. Will help
with blood sugars as well as pregnancy in general. I drank about 120
ounces of water a day when pregnant, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:25 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk]gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


Thank you Mike. I'm just trying to do what's best for my baby as
effectiently as possible. Since you're not a mom, and have never been a
mom, you probably don't grasp this, at least not until any children you
have are actually born. 
They told me that one of the risks with gestational diabetes is that my
baby could get too big. I'm planning and hoping to delivery vaginally
and trust me, I don't want to attempt this with a too big baby. I also
don't want my baby to be too big without her systems being mature. If
she's too big, then she's got to come out whether or not her systems are
ready. I'm trying for her sake to keep this from happening. 
You're right though, I'll get this figured out. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:17 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

One more thing: while I understand why you might be worried about this,
I think you're obsessing a bit over this. Relax. You'll get the hang of
things and it will all work out. You may be frustrated at first but the
best advice is the usual saw: practice, practice, practice and then
practice, practice, practice some more.

Also, read the booklet I sent you. There's an article by the late Ed
Bryant in there on finger-sticking techniques.

Incidentally, each bottle of strips has a "desicant", i.e., a drying
agent, in it to wick up excess moisture. I suspect that your
difficulties were more lack of practice than bad strips although bad
strips are a possibility. You can't reclaim strips; they work by
chemical action, that is, the strip reacts with the blood you to produce
a small current that your meter reads.

As I say, you'll get the hang of it.

Mike Freeman

P.S. anyone else is welcome to chime in here; all the wisdom in the
Universe didn't arrive when I came on the scene. (big grin)

Happy Holidays, everyone!
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription
to get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of
strips. I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had
no confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips,
is there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in
a climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up
strips v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish.
If your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together
determine how many you usually use or should use each day and the
insurance will assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get
to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a
case of technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was
working with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips
were fine, didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get
more strips so we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory
is a good one. Is there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is
*not* the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or
can't get a reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the
meter ten or twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working
temperature, i.e., haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using
it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also
got the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and
knows how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a
lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here.

I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place
the strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the
meter times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you.
<smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Of Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger
using my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via
computer; there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe
any of these protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution
on your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice
and autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip
to your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting
blood on the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want
a bead of blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice
makes perfect and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years
ago with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the
Gap". The article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different
insulins now than I was in the article. But the general advice is good
and there's an article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
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Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From jerrymunden at carolina.rr.com  Fri Dec  6 14:31:51 2013
From: jerrymunden at carolina.rr.com (Jerry Munden)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
Message-ID: <000001cef28f$e74818b0$b5d84a10$@carolina.rr.com>

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From wsloan118 at roadrunner.com  Sat Dec  7 15:51:51 2013
From: wsloan118 at roadrunner.com (Wanda Sloan)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:51:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
In-Reply-To: <000001cef28f$e74818b0$b5d84a10$@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000001cef28f$e74818b0$b5d84a10$@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cef364$3f160550$bd420ff0$@roadrunner.com>

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL 
What do I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From jerrymunden at carolina.rr.com  Fri Dec  6 16:50:42 2013
From: jerrymunden at carolina.rr.com (Jerry Munden)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	Diabetes-talk]	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
Message-ID: <002501cef2a3$4ce218c0$e6a64a40$@carolina.rr.com>

Hi Wanda,

For any questions related to Prodigy products it would probably be best to
contact their Director of Customer Service directly, David Singletery at
704-285-6439 or davidsingletery at prodigymeter.com.

Merry Christmas!

Jerry Munden 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 10:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do
I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Dec  6 17:40:49 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:40:49 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Wanda:

Once a reading has been recorded, you cannot edit it. This is also true of
the Solo/Solus V2.

When the Prodigy Voice turns on, it always says the time. Pay attention to
what it says; I know we all end up in LaLalaland when we test sometimes but
that'll tell you if your time is off.

I keep my Prodigy Voice in a separate little pouch so it isn't as likely to
turn on accidentally.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL 
What do I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From wsloan118 at roadrunner.com  Sat Dec  7 19:53:04 2013
From: wsloan118 at roadrunner.com (Wanda Sloan)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	Diabetes-talk]	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Ok will do.

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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:51 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Cc: davidsingletery at prodigymeter.com
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some
questions abouta talking glucose meter

Hi Wanda,

For any questions related to Prodigy products it would probably be best to
contact their Director of Customer Service directly, David Singletery at
704-285-6439 or davidsingletery at prodigymeter.com.

Merry Christmas!

Jerry Munden 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 10:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do
I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From wsloan118 at roadrunner.com  Sat Dec  7 19:54:17 2013
From: wsloan118 at roadrunner.com (Wanda Sloan)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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My question is how do I fix it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Wanda:

Once a reading has been recorded, you cannot edit it. This is also true of
the Solo/Solus V2.

When the Prodigy Voice turns on, it always says the time. Pay attention to
what it says; I know we all end up in LaLalaland when we test sometimes but
that'll tell you if your time is off.

I keep my Prodigy Voice in a separate little pouch so it isn't as likely to
turn on accidentally.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do
I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Dec  6 22:21:38 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:21:38 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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You mean you haven't read the instructions to the Prodigy Voice? Shame on
you! <smile>

The SET button is the one in the middle. Hold it down for two seconds or so
until you hear the Prodigy Voice tell you it's now in Setting Mode. You step
through each thing by repeatedly pressing the Settings button. When you get
to the hour or minute you want to change, use the up- and down-arrows to
change the meter to the time you want; then keep pressing the Settings
button until it reads everything back to you and then says "Goodbye!".
You're all set.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:54 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

My question is how do I fix it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Wanda:

Once a reading has been recorded, you cannot edit it. This is also true of
the Solo/Solus V2.

When the Prodigy Voice turns on, it always says the time. Pay attention to
what it says; I know we all end up in LaLalaland when we test sometimes but
that'll tell you if your time is off.

I keep my Prodigy Voice in a separate little pouch so it isn't as likely to
turn on accidentally.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do
I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
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Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From thegems at dslextreme.com  Sat Dec  7 16:28:08 2013
From: thegems at dslextreme.com (Grant E. Metcalf)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:28:08 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Prodigy settings
References: <mailman.27.1386417606.1959.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <0F01054A4B144C31A7BBCBB9542B42D2@user2868093fd9>

Hey Mike,  Thanks for the settings reminder. I think I read that part of the 
manual years ago, however, it has been forgotten. Could you send us another 
reminder when day light time comes back in the spring? smile! - Grant




From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 22:20:38 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
Message-ID: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>

Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips? 
Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but would
like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it. 
Thank you.




From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 22:37:18 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Mike, I didn't know you carried a purse:) 
I've been keeping my meter in a case so it won't turn on in my purse. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Wanda:

Once a reading has been recorded, you cannot edit it. This is also true of
the Solo/Solus V2.

When the Prodigy Voice turns on, it always says the time. Pay attention to
what it says; I know we all end up in LaLalaland when we test sometimes but
that'll tell you if your time is off.

I keep my Prodigy Voice in a separate little pouch so it isn't as likely to
turn on accidentally.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do
I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 22:59:53 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:59:53 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>
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Hi!
I feel for the depression line with my finger nail and that is the side that 
goes in facing up.

The lancing device I use is the Soft Click.  I do not know which one you 
received with your meter.  I am sure the name is printed on the side of the 
device.

Good luck!

Fondly, Joy
(smart person?  Not always sure.)


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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice


> Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips?
> Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
> recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but 
> would
> like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it.
> Thank you.
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  8 23:06:05 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:06:05 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP13807DB19EB2F4135C5A80DC4D00@phx.gbl>

Nothing wrong with a man carrying a bag, or murse as we like to say,
grin. Makes sense to me.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 4:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk]gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


Mike, I didn't know you carried a purse:) 
I've been keeping my meter in a case so it won't turn on in my purse. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Wanda:

Once a reading has been recorded, you cannot edit it. This is also true
of the Solo/Solus V2.

When the Prodigy Voice turns on, it always says the time. Pay attention
to what it says; I know we all end up in LaLalaland when we test
sometimes but that'll tell you if your time is off.

I keep my Prodigy Voice in a separate little pouch so it isn't as likely
to turn on accidentally.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your
knowledge about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I
carry my meter in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the
setting button get pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I
thought was 8:15 am and I forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my
breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have
done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.
The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so,
than any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be
used within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept
sealed at all times except when removing a test strip. They should be
stored at room temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be
stored in direct sun light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with
your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies
from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy
strips for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total
Diabetes Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information
might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription
to get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of
strips. I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had
no confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips,
is there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in
a climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up
strips v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish.
If your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together
determine how many you usually use or should use each day and the
insurance will assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get
to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a
case of technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was
working with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips
were fine, didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get
more strips so we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory
is a good one. Is there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is
*not* the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or
can't get a reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the
meter ten or twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working
temperature, i.e., haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using
it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also
got the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and
knows how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a
lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here.

I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place
the strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the
meter times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you.
<smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger
using my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via
computer; there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe
any of these protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution
on your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice
and autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip
to your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting
blood on the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want
a bead of blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice
makes perfect and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years
ago with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the
Gap". The article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different
insulins now than I was in the article. But the general advice is good
and there's an article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the
Prodidgy happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was
perfect, and that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could
talk. I should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read
data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the
highest prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my
fingers, so I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just
poke, hold my finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of
the test strip up where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate
the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions
abouta talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb.
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter.
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter.
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work.
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Dec  9 00:22:42 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 16:22:42 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk]
	gestational	diabetes	have	some	questions	abouta	talking	glucose	meter
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Actually, the meter and paraphernalia go in a small bag inside a slightly
larger over-the-shoulder bag.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:37 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Mike, I didn't know you carried a purse:) 
I've been keeping my meter in a case so it won't turn on in my purse. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Wanda:

Once a reading has been recorded, you cannot edit it. This is also true of
the Solo/Solus V2.

When the Prodigy Voice turns on, it always says the time. Pay attention to
what it says; I know we all end up in LaLalaland when we test sometimes but
that'll tell you if your time is off.

I keep my Prodigy Voice in a separate little pouch so it isn't as likely to
turn on accidentally.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Wanda Sloan
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Jerry, congratulations on your award.  Since you opened up your knowledge
about the Prodgy, I have a problem in fixing the setting.  I carry my meter
in my purse and I guess with it moving around, the setting button get
pressed.  I awakened up this morning at what I thought was 8:15 am and I
forgot to back gtrack 2 hrs.  I fixed my breakfast at 6:20 am.  LOL What do
I do to fix this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jerry Munden
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:32 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hello Star,

The information Mike shared is correct - he has a great knowledge about
diabetes!  I worked for five years as Vice President at Prodigy Diabetes
Care.  I have also been a Type I diabetic for over 40 years and have done
over 60,000 blood sugar tests on myself with all of the major meters.   The
Prodigy test strips are very stable and are as accurate, or more so, than
any meter on the market. (This has been proven with a Duke Medical
University study)

Most all of the meter and strip companies say that the strips should be used
within 90 days after opening the vial.  The vial is to be kept sealed at all
times except when removing a test strip. They should be stored at room
temperature between 30F to 104F.  They are not to be stored in direct sun
light.

If you follow those guidelines you should have accurate testing with your
Prodigy Voice meter.   I recently started buying my diabetes supplies from a
mail order company, www.totaldiabetessupply.com, that sells Prodigy strips
for $8.89 per bottle of 50.  I do not work for Prodigy or Total Diabetes
Supply but I saw your questions and I thought this information might help.

All the best,

Jerry Munden, "Recipient of the 2011 NFB Bolotin Award"


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I know this. The strips I had came in the mail. Is there any way to make
strips happy? At the time I got the meter, I didn't have a prescription to
get more strips. Once I got the meter, CVS told me they were out of strips.
I could get more but at the time I had to make a decition, I had no
confidence that meter would work. 
So, since my new meter is coming via mail, and it will come with strips, is
there any way I can keep the strips happy if they decide to barf? 
And if no, then why are these strips sent via mail when they won't be in a
climate controlled environment? Why not include a voucher to pick up strips
v. sellingstrips with the meter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Sure. If you're buying your own strips, you can buy as many as you wish. If
your insurance is buying them, you and your doctor will together determine
how many you usually use or should use each day and the insurance will
assist in paying for the number of strips needed to get to that goal.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:31 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Could be. I didn't have an extra bottle of strips, do they even make
"extras? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:27 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Nope; just try another bottle of strips. However, I suspect it was a case of
technique not matching the meter.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Hmm, interesting. We'd had the meter in the house for awhile. 
So you're saying it may have been bad strips? When the nurse I was working
with on Monday suggested this the rep at ILaA said the strips were fine,
didn't even want to consider the possibility. We couldn't get more strips so
we have no idea if it was bad strips or what. Your theory is a good one. Is
there a way to fix bad strips?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I understand. However, you should know that in most instances, it is *not*
the meter that is at fault when one gets erroneous readings or can't get a
reading but, rather, the strips, assuming you've allowed the meter ten or
twenty minutes to settle down to a working stable working temperature, i.e.,
haven't brought it in from outdoors or are just using it in the house.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:46 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
My sister reminded me that when she tried Prodidgy autocode, she also got
the "not enough blood" message. She's a vet tech, and a good one and knows
how to get blood. She thought the error was odd. 
Yet more verification that meter or the one I happened to get was a lemon. 
I have the Prodidgy Voice on order. Waiting for that sucker to get here. 
I'll try your suggestion when it does. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:36 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I believe the timeout is either thre or five minutes. But really it
shouldn't take more than thirty seconds once you get the hang of it.

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:12 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
I'm waiting for the Prodidgy Voice meter to get here. 
So, I prick my finger, the lift the meter with my other hand and place the
strip on the finger I poked. 
I want to be sure I understand. 
I'll have a good two minutes from when I insert the strip until the meter
times out right? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Yes; you have my suggestion right.

Please ask more questions if something doesn't make sense to you. <smile>

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:32 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you Mike. 
I had the Prodidgy Autocode, I've shipped it back and have the Voice on
order. 
I'll look over your booklet. 
You're suggesting I prick my finger, then guide the meter to my finger using
my other hand? This sounds doable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I do not believe there are any meters that allow data readout via computer;
there's a data transfer protocol involved and I don't believe any of these
protocols allow on-the-fly data readout.

As for the Prodigy Voice, have you tried putting some control solution on
your finger and then touching the strip?

Incidentally, Prodigy autocode strips will work with the Prodigy Voice and
autocode strips are fairly common.

Also, I recommend that you hold your hand flat and bring the meter/strip to
your finger. Most of the time, blind persons have trouble getting blood on
the slot on the strip because the blood gets smeared; you want a bead of
blood to roll into the capillary slot on the strip. Practice makes perfect
and it may take some practice.

Under separate cover, I'm sending you a booklet NFB put out a few years ago
with articles about diabetes care as a blind person, "Bridging the Gap". The
article I wrote is a bit out-of-date in that I'm on different insulins now
than I was in the article. But the general advice is good and there's an
article on finger-sticking techniques.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:18 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

Thank you. 
What we couldn't figure out is how to get enough blood to keep the Prodidgy
happy. The nurse worked with me on it, said my technique was perfect, and
that meter still wasn't happy. 
We ran out of test strips and of course CVS didn't have more. 

They sent me home with a nontalking meter which I'd like if it could talk. I
should be able to plug it into my computer to get it to read data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter

I use the Prodigy Voice and like it. Some prefer the Solace, but I
personally haven't experienced problems with the Voice.

Having been type one diabetic for 28 years, I was use to testing blood
sugars long before I lost my sight, so I didn't struggle with testing
nonvisually. Nonetheless, some recommend setting the poker on the highest
prick option so you can feel it. I don't have much meat on my fingers, so
I've never liked doing this, but if it works, great. I just poke, hold my
finger down and squeeze a few times then line the tip of the test strip up
where I felt the poke. I hold the meter to manipulate the test strip.

Hope this helps.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions abouta
talking glucose meter


No but this is a great suggestion!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Wanda Sloan" <wsloan118 at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried your thumb?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] gestational diabetes have some questions 
> about a talking glucose meter
> 
> Hi folks.
> I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Our second baby is
due in
> Feb. 
> I will need to test my blood sugar levels several times a day. 
> I take my class tomorrow morning. 
> It was suggested by the diabetes doctors that I use the Prodidgy
talking
> glucose meter. 
> What are others experiences with this meter? I am totally blind. I am 
> wondering if this is really what I should use, or if there is a
different
> meter. 
> I've played around with testing myself, and am trying to figure out
how I
> line the test strip up with the dab of blood. Any advice? I am not
testing
> using my fingertips as I read Braille. So, I need to use a point other
then
> my index fingers. I found a spot on my hand that seems to work. 
> Anybody have any advice? 
> 
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Dec  9 00:24:20 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 16:24:20 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
In-Reply-To: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>
Message-ID: <014601cef475$01e8fb80$05baf280$@panix.com>

Actually, I don't mind the "cheapo" lancet devices. But Joy is correct: the
Softklix from Roche diagnostics is a great lancing device. Her tip on
putting the strip in is also great!

As I said yesterday, relax. Don't make a mountin out of a molehill!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:21 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips? 
Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but would
like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it. 
Thank you.


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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 20:52:43 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:52:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
In-Reply-To: <014601cef475$01e8fb80$05baf280$@panix.com>
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>
	<014601cef475$01e8fb80$05baf280$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <007001cef520$9c0fc1c0$d42f4540$@com>

Thank you Mike.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:24 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Actually, I don't mind the "cheapo" lancet devices. But Joy is correct: the
Softklix from Roche diagnostics is a great lancing device. Her tip on
putting the strip in is also great!

As I said yesterday, relax. Don't make a mountin out of a molehill!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:21 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips? 
Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but would
like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it. 
Thank you.


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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 22:35:56 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
In-Reply-To: <911240A8DD6B41E18B2705109B6097CB@DBTOA000>
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>
	<911240A8DD6B41E18B2705109B6097CB@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <00cc01cef52f$08962a10$19c27e30$@com>

Thank you. Why do you like the soft click? 
In any event, I'll remember to check the name of the lancing device when I
need to order more needles. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Hi!
I feel for the depression line with my finger nail and that is the side that
goes in facing up.

The lancing device I use is the Soft Click.  I do not know which one you
received with your meter.  I am sure the name is printed on the side of the
device.

Good luck!

Fondly, Joy
(smart person?  Not always sure.)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice


> Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips?
> Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
> recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but 
> would
> like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it.
> Thank you.
>
>
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From pickrellrebecca at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 17:41:38 2013
From: pickrellrebecca at gmail.com (Star Gazer)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
In-Reply-To: <911240A8DD6B41E18B2705109B6097CB@DBTOA000>
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>
	<911240A8DD6B41E18B2705109B6097CB@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <000001cef5cf$14f48e50$3eddaaf0$@com>

Hi Joy. 
Your depression technique works beautifully. 
The lancing device I recived just says Prodigy on it.
Now, for another question, do I place my pricked finger on what I think of
as the leading edge of the strip (the one opposite the end that goes in), or
do I place it on top of the strip very close to the leading edge. 
My husband and I are disagreeing about which edge I need to use and I think
it's a terminology problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Hi!
I feel for the depression line with my finger nail and that is the side that
goes in facing up.

The lancing device I use is the Soft Click.  I do not know which one you
received with your meter.  I am sure the name is printed on the side of the
device.

Good luck!

Fondly, Joy
(smart person?  Not always sure.)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice


> Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips?
> Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
> recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but 
> would
> like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it.
> Thank you.
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Dec 10 18:40:22 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:40:22 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
In-Reply-To: <000001cef5cf$14f48e50$3eddaaf0$@com>
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>	<911240A8DD6B41E18B2705109B6097CB@DBTOA000>
	<000001cef5cf$14f48e50$3eddaaf0$@com>
Message-ID: <001301cef5d7$49c0a9e0$dd41fda0$@panix.com>

I'm not Joy, but ... at the opposite end of the strip from where you insert
it into the meter, you may be able to feel (and your husband will be able to
see) a small knotch on the upper edge of the strip. When a bead of blood
(remember, you want a bead, not a smear) drops into this knotch, what's
called "capillary action" in which a difference in pressure between the
ambient air and that in the knotch occurs and the blood is sucked up into
the knotch and, hence, onto the area of the strip with which the blood
chemically reacts to produce and electric current which the meter uses to
give you a reading of glucose content. Incidentally, your meter is
calibrated for "plasma readings" as are almost all meters these days.

I know I keep saying this but IMO your obsessing about this. Worry less;
test more; have a soothing hot drink and enjoy the holiday season!

And you might wish to have your husband read the meter instructions and/or,
if the unit came with an audio CD, read the instructions yourself.

Incidentally, if you are puzzled why you get multiple answers to your
questions, it's that there are as many "right ways" to test as there are
testers. In other words, each person finds what works for him/her.

I'd also recommend you go on BARD and download/read Gretchen Becker's book:
"the First Year; Type II Diabetes: a guide for the Newly-diagnose". It'll
tell you more than you want to know in simple language while not presuming
you are an idiot.

And we're all here to help.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:42 AM
To: 'Joy Stigile'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Hi Joy. 
Your depression technique works beautifully. 
The lancing device I recived just says Prodigy on it.
Now, for another question, do I place my pricked finger on what I think of
as the leading edge of the strip (the one opposite the end that goes in), or
do I place it on top of the strip very close to the leading edge. 
My husband and I are disagreeing about which edge I need to use and I think
it's a terminology problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:00 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice

Hi!
I feel for the depression line with my finger nail and that is the side that
goes in facing up.

The lancing device I use is the Soft Click.  I do not know which one you
received with your meter.  I am sure the name is printed on the side of the
device.

Good luck!

Fondly, Joy
(smart person?  Not always sure.)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:20 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice


> Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips?
> Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
> recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but 
> would
> like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it.
> Thank you.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From joystigile at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 20:16:51 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
References: <005501cef463$b9ab1620$2d014260$@com>	<911240A8DD6B41E18B2705109B6097CB@DBTOA000><000001cef5cf$14f48e50$3eddaaf0$@com>
	<001301cef5d7$49c0a9e0$dd41fda0$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <5578A8E4C4FA4AA49C8499CFAE254A46@DBTOA000>

Hi!

Mike has said it better than I could have.  He is perfectly right!

Happy Holidays, Joy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice


> I'm not Joy, but ... at the opposite end of the strip from where you 
> insert
> it into the meter, you may be able to feel (and your husband will be able 
> to
> see) a small knotch on the upper edge of the strip. When a bead of blood
> (remember, you want a bead, not a smear) drops into this knotch, what's
> called "capillary action" in which a difference in pressure between the
> ambient air and that in the knotch occurs and the blood is sucked up into
> the knotch and, hence, onto the area of the strip with which the blood
> chemically reacts to produce and electric current which the meter uses to
> give you a reading of glucose content. Incidentally, your meter is
> calibrated for "plasma readings" as are almost all meters these days.
>
> I know I keep saying this but IMO your obsessing about this. Worry less;
> test more; have a soothing hot drink and enjoy the holiday season!
>
> And you might wish to have your husband read the meter instructions 
> and/or,
> if the unit came with an audio CD, read the instructions yourself.
>
> Incidentally, if you are puzzled why you get multiple answers to your
> questions, it's that there are as many "right ways" to test as there are
> testers. In other words, each person finds what works for him/her.
>
> I'd also recommend you go on BARD and download/read Gretchen Becker's 
> book:
> "the First Year; Type II Diabetes: a guide for the Newly-diagnose". It'll
> tell you more than you want to know in simple language while not presuming
> you are an idiot.
>
> And we're all here to help.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:42 AM
> To: 'Joy Stigile'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
>
> Hi Joy.
> Your depression technique works beautifully.
> The lancing device I recived just says Prodigy on it.
> Now, for another question, do I place my pricked finger on what I think of
> as the leading edge of the strip (the one opposite the end that goes in), 
> or
> do I place it on top of the strip very close to the leading edge.
> My husband and I are disagreeing about which edge I need to use and I 
> think
> it's a terminology problem.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Joy Stigile
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
>
> Hi!
> I feel for the depression line with my finger nail and that is the side 
> that
> goes in facing up.
>
> The lancing device I use is the Soft Click.  I do not know which one you
> received with your meter.  I am sure the name is printed on the side of 
> the
> device.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Fondly, Joy
> (smart person?  Not always sure.)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:20 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] loading strips in the Prodigy Voice
>
>
>> Ok, smart people, give me some tips.How do I load the glucose strips?
>> Also, the lance that came with the Prodigy Voice sucks. What do you all
>> recommend? I've been using the type that came with hthe Autocode, but
>> would
>> like to know its name so I can get more prickers for it.
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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> l.com
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Dec 10 21:36:54 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:36:54 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] You Did NOT Eat Your Way to
	Diabetes. The REAL	Causes. (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.1312101355010.5320@bayareadigital>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.1312101355010.5320@bayareadigital>
Message-ID: <002501cef5ef$f2a3e820$d7ebb860$@panix.com>

The article whose link appears below is somewhat technical. However, I think
it well worth reading.

Put another way, things are more complex than most diabetic do-gooders
(including medical personnel) want to admit.

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:57 AM
To: ACB Daibetics Mailing List
Subject: [acb-diabetics] You Did NOT Eat Your Way to Diabetes. The REAL
Causes. (fwd)

Here is a link to a really great article.  I suggest it

to all, and it contains lots of useful links, too.

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046739.php
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From wlewis19 at cox.net  Thu Dec 12 00:14:51 2013
From: wlewis19 at cox.net (Bill Lewis)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:14:51 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
In-Reply-To: <rrT61m00s2qgo5R01rT7ql>
References: <20131119231720.n8tnv@att.net><BC0F1517D63C4892A1E1B00043467D4D@SandiPC><001a01cee5a0$b3512250$19f366f0$@panix.com><EA1EE70A545040829349130325AEBB4B@SandiPC>
	<rrT61m00s2qgo5R01rT7ql>
Message-ID: <D02FB1E82E104F17BC9787825DF6C714@BillPC>


Hi Folks, Bill Lewis here.

I used to wonder why one or two medical equipment companies went to the 
trouble of putting voice into some of their products.  Then I realize they 
either got financing under research and development government grants or 
from private foundations.

Just when I was getting nervous as to why we have not heard anything about 
cuts in social security payments and medicare coverage, I have now begun 
seeing articles in the newspapers.

Starting next year we on social security will receive 1.5 percent cola 
increases, then have to pay more for the part-B section.  Then it is 
anticipated that we on social security and using medicare will be required 
to pay a $5000 prepayment for medicare coverage before it even kicks in. 
I'm hoping that the public outrage will be enough to make the Senate and 
President do a double take on their drive to completely ruin our American 
health industry.  I don't know about you folks, but I can no longer afford 
to cough up huge prepayments for medical care.  I already saw how HMO 
programs backfired.

Furthermore, next year doctors and hospitals will receive 2% less in 
reimbursements for medical services.

With such nice things to look forward to, I'm not going to hold my breath 
for innovations in diabetic-related products, until I see what comes out of 
this thing called ObamaCare orAffordable Care Act.  And to think I am 
usually optimistic about life.   Bill





-----Original Message----- 
From: Debbie Wunder
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution

Mike, in just a few short words, I often think that your attitude sets us in
the direction of failure. Sandy is correct in her approach, and we need to
move forward in a plan to change how the medical world sea's our need. There
are so many different groups of people whom could benefit by the needs of
the blind. Such groups and people with dyslexia, brain injury, and
blindness in later life. We have to collectively work on make companies have
to make their medical products accessible to all.

As Michael Hingson says"Talking with Vision" we have to be able to see the
need and believe in the possibility of changing medical equipment.

I believe this resolution is a great starting place, also a letter writing
campaigned to many of these companies demanding accessibility.

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution


> On the contrary, I am not in denial about the difficulty of this 
> situation, the length of time and hard work that will be involved, or the 
> opposition we will need to overcome.  I understand the downsides.  But to 
> err so far on the side of "reality" that we feel defeated before we start 
> will doom us to failure.  You said in your first message that this project 
> will require out-of-the-box thinking.  In my opinion, your messages 
> demonstrate just the opposite.  We can work at this with hope and an eye 
> toward helping each other, or we can go into it negatively and lose the 
> battle at the beginning. I know which approach I want to take.
>
> And I don't think Apple created Voiceover and made their products 
> accessible just because they're good that way.  I think that the small 
> population of blind people, working together and with partners, created an 
> atmosphere that demanded what we needed, and even this giant corporation 
> saw the light.  And they created a model for accessibility that can work 
> for others, which is my point.
>
> We can debate this all year.  I choose, however, to work on the issue. You 
> can work with me and the others who want to do this, or you can call me 
> names and indicate that I'm too stupid to see the obstacles.  I see them, 
> my friend.  I just choose to ignore the ones I can, jump over the smaller 
> ones, and make the grindingly difficult climb to the top of the rest. 
> Will this happen in my lifetime?  I don't know.  But if we manage to budge 
> even one corporation's mindset, or find a way to go around their mindset 
> and create accessibility in some other way, we will have accomplished 
> something.  And small accomplishments bring others into the fold.  I've 
> been a Federationist for years, too--and I know the power of working 
> together.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> With great respect, you are, too, a Pollyanna. You have a far rosier 
>> notion
>> of humanity than do I, at least when it comes to homo corporationus. You
>> believe that people can be convinced to do the right thing just because 
>> it's
>> right and moral. I, on the other hand, believe that most of humanity are
>> money-grubbing illegitimate sons and daughters and, at least when it 
>> comes
>> to spending money, cannot be depended upon to "do the right thing" but 
>> must
>> have incentives -- legal or financial -- to be inveigled into doing the
>> right thing. Long live the difference.
>>
>> Also, if we are to make progress, we must be ruthlessly honest with
>> ourselves. For instance, few people in the rosy glow of i-device
>> accessibility remember to acknowledge that before Steve Jobs jumped on 
>> the
>> accessibility bandwagon, we and Massachusetts threatened to file a 
>> lawsuit
>> whose effect would have been to halt the sales of *all* Mac computers to
>> Massachusetts schools. And since schools are a very lucrative market for
>> Apple, the company all-of-a-sudden began to pay close attention to us and 
>> to
>> ask what we expected of an accessible device. So it wasn't altruism at 
>> all,
>> not at least, in the beginning. It was good, old-fashioned self-interest 
>> and
>> money-grubbing that brought Apple to the table.
>>
>> Moreover, it's not as simple as just saying that there's voice technology
>> out there that can be used for minimal cost. FDA doesn't buy the argument
>> that the voicing technology is *not* an integral part of any medical 
>> advice
>> it will issue 510(k) approval to market. FDA maintains that each and 
>> every
>> device must be rigorously tested including the voice. It doesn't buy the
>> argument that one voice technology and its implementation which is shown,
>> for example, to render numbers accurately from a voltage input, once 
>> tested,
>> can be used on *all* technology. It will mandate testing of *each*
>> implementation.
>>
>> For example, FDA won't regulate blood glucose apps as long as they aren't
>> conveying actual measurements. But as soon as one hooks an i-device to a
>> blood glucose meter, for example, FDA will insist upon approving *both* 
>> the
>> meter *and* the implementation on the i-device. And for us, FDA will 
>> insist
>> upon testing this with VoiceOver. FDA won't take it for granted that
>> VoiceOver will correctly render what the i-device gets from the meter.
>>
>> Translation: recurring, large costs to gain approval to market *each*
>> device.
>>
>> I say this not to discourage but rather in the spirit of "know thine 
>> enemy".
>>
>> I am not convinced that *any* accessibility laws now on the books really
>> cover medical devices. However, Veronica and I are looking into the 
>> Orphan
>> Drug Act as a way of creating a financial incentive for companies to work 
>> on
>> accessible diabetes devices. And I am pondering whether it would be 
>> possible
>> to introduce legislation into Congress which would indemnify developers 
>> of
>> accessible diabetes technology against liability. I'm not sure this is a
>> good idea. However, I *am* certain that the current political climate is 
>> not
>> conducive to *any* mandates on business.
>>
>> Furthermore, the blindness market isn't nearly as large as we often 
>> delude
>> ourselves into thinking. If the NFB Independence Market sells twenty
>> thousand of anything, it's a land-office business. This is what being a
>> minority means!
>>
>> Again, this is not to say we shouldn't try. It is again in the spirit of
>> "know thine enemy".
>>
>> As the state resolutions advocate, we can enlist the help of other
>> organizations. However, my cynical side asks things like: "what's in it 
>> for
>> AARP or ADA?" We can't even get ADA to lower prices at its diabetes expos
>> for us! ADA came to do good and does damned well!
>>
>> But we'll keep plugging away. There is this -- and it's the philosophy I
>> live by: if we do nothing, we *know* what the result will be.
>>
>> So once again into the breach!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>
>> Oh, great, Colleen!  Glad to hear Ohio passed the resolution, too.
>>
>> I don't believe I'm a Pollyanna.  I don't believe everything has to be
>> accomplished through the Congress (which is definitely good), or through 
>> a
>> resolution that's all-encompassing.  I'm not sure existing laws can't be
>> used to get what we want.  I also believe that, given multiple state
>> resolutions and a national resolution specific to diabetes technology and
>> equipment, we will have more clout to take to those in charge of deciding
>> what accessibility measures are included in meters, pumps, etc. Perhaps,
>> with the Apple model of accessibility successfully getting fully 
>> accessible
>> devices into the hands of not only blind people but people with various
>> disabilities, perhaps raising the cost of each unit slightly, but not by
>> much, we can work with the companies that make the devices for diabetes
>> care.  They've always claimed cost as their main deterrent to
>> accessibility--but they don't have to reinvent the wheel each time they 
>> do
>> something.  There are now voices readily available that can be used. 
>> Also,
>> not all blind diabetics are blind because of diabetes, so the population 
>> of
>> people blind from diabetes is not the entire population for such devices.
>> Also, the population is aging, which leads to more blindness overall, 
>> which
>> increases the market.
>>
>> I do not delude myself that this will happen in a year.  But if, in 1940,
>> people had simply said "Well, this isn't going to happen for decades.
>> There's nothing we can do," nothing would have been done.  Someone has to
>> step out and advocate for accessibility.  I can't think of better people 
>> to
>> do it than the DANs and the NFB!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "COLLEEN ROTH" <n8tnv at att.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>
>>
>>> Hello Veronica,
>>> I understand where you are coming from but Resoluness are not passed 
>>> just
>>> for the sake of passing them.
>>> The next step is working to get changes implemented. In July, 2013 at 
>>> the
>>> NFB Convention a Resolution was passed which would include anything 
>>> which
>>> a sighted person can use being accessible by the blind including but not
>>> limited to appliances, Communications Devices and Medical supplies.
>>> The NFB of Ohio passed the Resolution on Diabetic Supplies at our State
>>> Convention.
>>> The Resolution passed November 3, 2013.
>>> We used the texs of the Iowa Resolution with some editing where 
>>> necessary.
>>> You will see some action being taken to get our Resolutions implemented
>>> and to make those who are less than helpful fully aware of the NFB's
>>> position on various topics.
>>> Colleen Roth
>>> At Large Chapter President
>>> NFB of Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:15 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please forgive my question but maybe it's just because I'm having a
>>>> really
>>>> difficult time of it right now. I agree these resolutions are great in 
>>>> a
>>>> way. Now the rest of the affiliate knows what we need. But then what? 
>>>> If
>>>> the
>>>> world jumped every time we passed some resolution at a convention, we'd
>>>> have
>>>> all sorts of cool things by now. So what happens with the resolutions?
>>>> How
>>>> does this turn into pressure on someone to do something? Just wondering
>>>> lest
>>>> we start congratulating ourselves too soon.
>>>> Like I said, don't mean to be a downer, really I don't. Just wondering,
>>>> that's all. Thanks.
>>>> Veronica
>>>>
>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes! 
>>>> Yes!
>>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club 
>>>> at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Jerry Hathaway; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that is truly awesome. Good work on that resolution and
>>>> congratulations.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Jerry Hathaway
>>>> <jerry.hathaway2 at frontier.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The NFB of Oregon passed a resolution
>>>> > at our state convention on November 3, 2013 Regarding Advocacy to 
>>>> > Make
>>>> Diabetes Tools and Technology Accessible to the Blind. The resolution 
>>>> is
>>>> listed below.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Resolution 2013-01  Regarding Diabetes
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Regarding Advocacy to Make Diabetes Tools and Technology Accessible 
>>>> > to
>>>> > the
>>>> Blind
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, The National Federation of the Blind has, since 1940,
>>>> > championed
>>>> the independence of the blind and worked to make the world accessible 
>>>> to
>>>> and
>>>> safe for the blind; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, to help increase the independence of blind people, the
>>>> > National
>>>> Federation of the Blind has fought to make technology, readily 
>>>> available
>>>> to
>>>> the sighted, accessible for the blind; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, according to the National Eye Institute (NEI) of the 
>>>> > National
>>>> Institutes of Health (NIH), diabetic retinopathy is the most common 
>>>> cause
>>
>>>> of
>>>> blindness, affecting 4.1 million American adults over age 40, and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, very little technology currently on the market for 
>>>> > constantly
>>>> > or
>>>> periodically monitoring blood glucose, accurately delivering insulin, 
>>>> or
>>>> performing other tasks to control diabetes is accessible to the blind,
>>>> and
>>>> insulin pens carry a disclaimer that they should not be used by the 
>>>> blind
>>>> without supervision; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, technology has been demonstrated to increase diabetes 
>>>> > control
>>>> > in
>>>> the sighted, and the same technology, made accessible to the blind 
>>>> would
>>>> improve diabetes control among blind and visually impaired diabetics, 
>>>> and
>>>> increase independence in maintaining such control; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, the need for improved accessibility of lifesaving diabetes
>>>> technology has been largely overlooked: Now, therefore,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon in
>>>> convention assembled this 3rd day of November, 2013, in the city of
>>>> Salem,
>>>> Oregon, that the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon and its
>>>> Diabetes
>>>> Action Network division work closely with companies developing pens,
>>>> pumps,
>>>> glucometers, and other lifesaving diabetes control tools and technology
>>>> to
>>>> integrate accessibility for the blind and deaf-blind into the design 
>>>> and
>>>> manufacture of such items; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the National Federation of the Blind of
>>>> > Oregon
>>>> enlist the support of the American Diabetes Association, the American
>>>> Association of Retired Persons, the American Association of Clinical
>>>> Endocrinologists, and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services to
>>>> establish and implement accessibility standards for diabetes 
>>>> technology;
>>>> and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the National Federation of the Blind of
>>>> > Oregon
>>>> urge manufacturers of technology that provides information to the blind
>>>> and
>>>> deaf-blind about diabetes management to recognize that creating
>>>> technology
>>>> useful only to the sighted creates a circumstance that discriminates
>>>> against
>>>> the blind and deaf-blind, and urge such manufacturers further to
>>>> recognize
>>>> that the blind and deaf-blind of Oregon will join with other blind and
>>>> deaf-blind people throughout the nation to take such action as may be
>>>> necessary to end this discrimination; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Diabetes Action Network of the 
>>>> > National
>>>> Federation of the blind of Oregon publicize widely the inaccessibility 
>>>> of
>>>> diabetes tools and technology as they are currently marketed, and the
>>>> unnecessary hardship their inaccessibility creates in the lives of 
>>>> blind
>>>> and
>>>> deaf-blind diabetics.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jerry
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 13 19:22:59 2013
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:22:59 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
In-Reply-To: <D02FB1E82E104F17BC9787825DF6C714@BillPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1792676FAF5E296B398232CC4DF0@phx.gbl>

Well, in checking out the website for this so-called affordable care,
not sure how it's affordable. The cheapest plan we seem to qualify for
starts around $700.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bill Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:15 PM
To: Debbie Wunder; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution



Hi Folks, Bill Lewis here.

I used to wonder why one or two medical equipment companies went to the 
trouble of putting voice into some of their products.  Then I realize
they 
either got financing under research and development government grants or

from private foundations.

Just when I was getting nervous as to why we have not heard anything
about 
cuts in social security payments and medicare coverage, I have now begun

seeing articles in the newspapers.

Starting next year we on social security will receive 1.5 percent cola 
increases, then have to pay more for the part-B section.  Then it is 
anticipated that we on social security and using medicare will be
required 
to pay a $5000 prepayment for medicare coverage before it even kicks in.

I'm hoping that the public outrage will be enough to make the Senate and

President do a double take on their drive to completely ruin our
American 
health industry.  I don't know about you folks, but I can no longer
afford 
to cough up huge prepayments for medical care.  I already saw how HMO 
programs backfired.

Furthermore, next year doctors and hospitals will receive 2% less in 
reimbursements for medical services.

With such nice things to look forward to, I'm not going to hold my
breath 
for innovations in diabetic-related products, until I see what comes out
of 
this thing called ObamaCare orAffordable Care Act.  And to think I am 
usually optimistic about life.   Bill





-----Original Message----- 
From: Debbie Wunder
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution

Mike, in just a few short words, I often think that your attitude sets
us in the direction of failure. Sandy is correct in her approach, and we
need to move forward in a plan to change how the medical world sea's our
need. There are so many different groups of people whom could benefit by
the needs of the blind. Such groups and people with dyslexia, brain
injury, and blindness in later life. We have to collectively work on
make companies have to make their medical products accessible to all.

As Michael Hingson says"Talking with Vision" we have to be able to see
the need and believe in the possibility of changing medical equipment.

I believe this resolution is a great starting place, also a letter
writing campaigned to many of these companies demanding accessibility.

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution


> On the contrary, I am not in denial about the difficulty of this
> situation, the length of time and hard work that will be involved, or
the 
> opposition we will need to overcome.  I understand the downsides.  But
to 
> err so far on the side of "reality" that we feel defeated before we
start 
> will doom us to failure.  You said in your first message that this
project 
> will require out-of-the-box thinking.  In my opinion, your messages 
> demonstrate just the opposite.  We can work at this with hope and an
eye 
> toward helping each other, or we can go into it negatively and lose
the 
> battle at the beginning. I know which approach I want to take.
>
> And I don't think Apple created Voiceover and made their products
> accessible just because they're good that way.  I think that the small

> population of blind people, working together and with partners,
created an 
> atmosphere that demanded what we needed, and even this giant
corporation 
> saw the light.  And they created a model for accessibility that can
work 
> for others, which is my point.
>
> We can debate this all year.  I choose, however, to work on the issue.

> You
> can work with me and the others who want to do this, or you can call
me 
> names and indicate that I'm too stupid to see the obstacles.  I see
them, 
> my friend.  I just choose to ignore the ones I can, jump over the
smaller 
> ones, and make the grindingly difficult climb to the top of the rest. 
> Will this happen in my lifetime?  I don't know.  But if we manage to
budge 
> even one corporation's mindset, or find a way to go around their
mindset 
> and create accessibility in some other way, we will have accomplished 
> something.  And small accomplishments bring others into the fold.
I've 
> been a Federationist for years, too--and I know the power of working 
> together.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> With great respect, you are, too, a Pollyanna. You have a far rosier
>> notion
>> of humanity than do I, at least when it comes to homo corporationus.
You
>> believe that people can be convinced to do the right thing just
because 
>> it's
>> right and moral. I, on the other hand, believe that most of humanity
are
>> money-grubbing illegitimate sons and daughters and, at least when it 
>> comes
>> to spending money, cannot be depended upon to "do the right thing"
but 
>> must
>> have incentives -- legal or financial -- to be inveigled into doing
the
>> right thing. Long live the difference.
>>
>> Also, if we are to make progress, we must be ruthlessly honest with 
>> ourselves. For instance, few people in the rosy glow of i-device 
>> accessibility remember to acknowledge that before Steve Jobs jumped 
>> on the accessibility bandwagon, we and Massachusetts threatened to 
>> file a lawsuit
>> whose effect would have been to halt the sales of *all* Mac computers
to
>> Massachusetts schools. And since schools are a very lucrative market
for
>> Apple, the company all-of-a-sudden began to pay close attention to us
and 
>> to
>> ask what we expected of an accessible device. So it wasn't altruism
at 
>> all,
>> not at least, in the beginning. It was good, old-fashioned
self-interest 
>> and
>> money-grubbing that brought Apple to the table.
>>
>> Moreover, it's not as simple as just saying that there's voice 
>> technology out there that can be used for minimal cost. FDA doesn't 
>> buy the argument that the voicing technology is *not* an integral 
>> part of any medical advice it will issue 510(k) approval to market. 
>> FDA maintains that each and every
>> device must be rigorously tested including the voice. It doesn't buy
the
>> argument that one voice technology and its implementation which is
shown,
>> for example, to render numbers accurately from a voltage input, once 
>> tested,
>> can be used on *all* technology. It will mandate testing of *each*
>> implementation.
>>
>> For example, FDA won't regulate blood glucose apps as long as they 
>> aren't conveying actual measurements. But as soon as one hooks an 
>> i-device to a blood glucose meter, for example, FDA will insist upon 
>> approving *both* the meter *and* the implementation on the i-device. 
>> And for us, FDA will insist
>> upon testing this with VoiceOver. FDA won't take it for granted that
>> VoiceOver will correctly render what the i-device gets from the
meter.
>>
>> Translation: recurring, large costs to gain approval to market *each*

>> device.
>>
>> I say this not to discourage but rather in the spirit of "know thine
>> enemy".
>>
>> I am not convinced that *any* accessibility laws now on the books 
>> really cover medical devices. However, Veronica and I are looking 
>> into the Orphan Drug Act as a way of creating a financial incentive 
>> for companies to work on
>> accessible diabetes devices. And I am pondering whether it would be 
>> possible
>> to introduce legislation into Congress which would indemnify
developers 
>> of
>> accessible diabetes technology against liability. I'm not sure this
is a
>> good idea. However, I *am* certain that the current political climate
is 
>> not
>> conducive to *any* mandates on business.
>>
>> Furthermore, the blindness market isn't nearly as large as we often
>> delude
>> ourselves into thinking. If the NFB Independence Market sells twenty
>> thousand of anything, it's a land-office business. This is what being
a
>> minority means!
>>
>> Again, this is not to say we shouldn't try. It is again in the spirit

>> of "know thine enemy".
>>
>> As the state resolutions advocate, we can enlist the help of other 
>> organizations. However, my cynical side asks things like: "what's in 
>> it for AARP or ADA?" We can't even get ADA to lower prices at its 
>> diabetes expos for us! ADA came to do good and does damned well!
>>
>> But we'll keep plugging away. There is this -- and it's the 
>> philosophy I live by: if we do nothing, we *know* what the result 
>> will be.
>>
>> So once again into the breach!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:29 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>
>> Oh, great, Colleen!  Glad to hear Ohio passed the resolution, too.
>>
>> I don't believe I'm a Pollyanna.  I don't believe everything has to 
>> be accomplished through the Congress (which is definitely good), or 
>> through a resolution that's all-encompassing.  I'm not sure existing 
>> laws can't be used to get what we want.  I also believe that, given 
>> multiple state resolutions and a national resolution specific to 
>> diabetes technology and equipment, we will have more clout to take to

>> those in charge of deciding what accessibility measures are included 
>> in meters, pumps, etc. Perhaps, with the Apple model of accessibility

>> successfully getting fully accessible
>> devices into the hands of not only blind people but people with
various
>> disabilities, perhaps raising the cost of each unit slightly, but not
by
>> much, we can work with the companies that make the devices for
diabetes
>> care.  They've always claimed cost as their main deterrent to
>> accessibility--but they don't have to reinvent the wheel each time
they 
>> do
>> something.  There are now voices readily available that can be used. 
>> Also,
>> not all blind diabetics are blind because of diabetes, so the
population 
>> of
>> people blind from diabetes is not the entire population for such
devices.
>> Also, the population is aging, which leads to more blindness overall,

>> which
>> increases the market.
>>
>> I do not delude myself that this will happen in a year.  But if, in 
>> 1940, people had simply said "Well, this isn't going to happen for 
>> decades. There's nothing we can do," nothing would have been done.  
>> Someone has to step out and advocate for accessibility.  I can't 
>> think of better people to do it than the DANs and the NFB!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "COLLEEN ROTH" <n8tnv at att.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>
>>
>>> Hello Veronica,
>>> I understand where you are coming from but Resoluness are not passed
>>> just
>>> for the sake of passing them.
>>> The next step is working to get changes implemented. In July, 2013
at 
>>> the
>>> NFB Convention a Resolution was passed which would include anything 
>>> which
>>> a sighted person can use being accessible by the blind including but
not
>>> limited to appliances, Communications Devices and Medical supplies.
>>> The NFB of Ohio passed the Resolution on Diabetic Supplies at our
State
>>> Convention.
>>> The Resolution passed November 3, 2013.
>>> We used the texs of the Iowa Resolution with some editing where 
>>> necessary.
>>> You will see some action being taken to get our Resolutions
implemented
>>> and to make those who are less than helpful fully aware of the NFB's
>>> position on various topics.
>>> Colleen Roth
>>> At Large Chapter President
>>> NFB of Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:15 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please forgive my question but maybe it's just because I'm having a

>>>> really difficult time of it right now. I agree these resolutions 
>>>> are great in a
>>>> way. Now the rest of the affiliate knows what we need. But then
what? 
>>>> If
>>>> the
>>>> world jumped every time we passed some resolution at a convention,
we'd
>>>> have
>>>> all sorts of cool things by now. So what happens with the
resolutions?
>>>> How
>>>> does this turn into pressure on someone to do something? Just
wondering
>>>> lest
>>>> we start congratulating ourselves too soon.
>>>> Like I said, don't mean to be a downer, really I don't. Just
wondering,
>>>> that's all. Thanks.
>>>> Veronica
>>>>
>>>> Watch the video as The Guide Dog Glee Club sings "Rehab!" Yes! Yes!
>>>> Yes!
>>>> http://youtu.be/JvakJ5lk6Us
>>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee
Club 
>>>> at:
>>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Jerry Hathaway; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Diabetes resolution
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that is truly awesome. Good work on that resolution and 
>>>> congratulations.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Jerry Hathaway 
>>>> <jerry.hathaway2 at frontier.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The NFB of Oregon passed a resolution
>>>> > at our state convention on November 3, 2013 Regarding Advocacy to
>>>> > Make
>>>> Diabetes Tools and Technology Accessible to the Blind. The 
>>>> resolution
>>>> is
>>>> listed below.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Resolution 2013-01  Regarding Diabetes
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Regarding Advocacy to Make Diabetes Tools and Technology 
>>>> > Accessible
>>>> > to
>>>> > the
>>>> Blind
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, The National Federation of the Blind has, since 1940, 
>>>> > championed
>>>> the independence of the blind and worked to make the world 
>>>> accessible
>>>> to
>>>> and
>>>> safe for the blind; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, to help increase the independence of blind people, the 
>>>> > National
>>>> Federation of the Blind has fought to make technology, readily
>>>> available
>>>> to
>>>> the sighted, accessible for the blind; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, according to the National Eye Institute (NEI) of the
>>>> > National
>>>> Institutes of Health (NIH), diabetic retinopathy is the most common
>>>> cause
>>
>>>> of
>>>> blindness, affecting 4.1 million American adults over age 40, and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, very little technology currently on the market for
>>>> > constantly
>>>> > or
>>>> periodically monitoring blood glucose, accurately delivering 
>>>> insulin,
>>>> or
>>>> performing other tasks to control diabetes is accessible to the
blind,
>>>> and
>>>> insulin pens carry a disclaimer that they should not be used by the

>>>> blind
>>>> without supervision; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, technology has been demonstrated to increase diabetes
>>>> > control
>>>> > in
>>>> the sighted, and the same technology, made accessible to the blind
>>>> would
>>>> improve diabetes control among blind and visually impaired
diabetics, 
>>>> and
>>>> increase independence in maintaining such control; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > WHEREAS, the need for improved accessibility of lifesaving 
>>>> > diabetes
>>>> technology has been largely overlooked: Now, therefore,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon 
>>>> > in
>>>> convention assembled this 3rd day of November, 2013, in the city of

>>>> Salem, Oregon, that the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon 
>>>> and its Diabetes
>>>> Action Network division work closely with companies developing
pens,
>>>> pumps,
>>>> glucometers, and other lifesaving diabetes control tools and
technology
>>>> to
>>>> integrate accessibility for the blind and deaf-blind into the
design 
>>>> and
>>>> manufacture of such items; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the National Federation of the Blind 
>>>> > of Oregon
>>>> enlist the support of the American Diabetes Association, the 
>>>> American Association of Retired Persons, the American Association 
>>>> of Clinical Endocrinologists, and the Center for Medicare and 
>>>> Medicaid Services to establish and implement accessibility 
>>>> standards for diabetes technology; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the National Federation of the Blind 
>>>> > of Oregon
>>>> urge manufacturers of technology that provides information to the 
>>>> blind and deaf-blind about diabetes management to recognize that 
>>>> creating technology
>>>> useful only to the sighted creates a circumstance that
discriminates
>>>> against
>>>> the blind and deaf-blind, and urge such manufacturers further to
>>>> recognize
>>>> that the blind and deaf-blind of Oregon will join with other blind
and
>>>> deaf-blind people throughout the nation to take such action as may
be
>>>> necessary to end this discrimination; and
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Diabetes Action Network of the
>>>> > National
>>>> Federation of the blind of Oregon publicize widely the 
>>>> inaccessibility
>>>> of
>>>> diabetes tools and technology as they are currently marketed, and
the
>>>> unnecessary hardship their inaccessibility creates in the lives of 
>>>> blind
>>>> and
>>>> deaf-blind diabetics.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jerry
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Dec 18 23:48:07 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:48:07 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines
In-Reply-To: <C3ABAF8C-D9A0-4441-9ABD-85FE3BBDD102@yahoo.com>
References: <C3ABAF8C-D9A0-4441-9ABD-85FE3BBDD102@yahoo.com>
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From: acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Matulis
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:41 PM
To: acb-diabetics at acb.org
Subject: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines

 


New Blood Pressure Guidelines Raise the Bar for Taking Medications


Published: December 18, 2013 12:41 PM
By Dennis Thompson  HealthDay Reporter


Photos


 <http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6634600.1387388472!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg> 

Fewer people should take medicine to control their high blood pressure, a new set of guidelines recommends.

Adults aged 60 or older should only take blood pressure medication if their blood pressure exceeds 150/90, which sets a higher bar for treatment than the current guideline of 140/90, according to the report, published online Dec. 18 in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The expert panel that crafted the guidelines also recommends that diabetes and kidney patients younger than 60 be treated at the same point as everyone else that age, when their blood pressure exceeds 140/90. Until now, people with those chronic conditions have been prescribed medication when their blood pressure reading topped 130/80.

  _____  





  _____  

Blood pressure is the force exerted on the inner walls of blood vessels as the heart pumps blood to all parts of the body. The upper reading, known as the systolic pressure, measures that force as the heart contracts and pushes blood out of its chambers. The lower reading, known as diastolic pressure, measures that force as the heart relaxes between contractions. Adult blood pressure is considered normal at 120/80.

The recommendations are based on clinical evidence showing that stricter guidelines provided no additional benefit to patients, explained guidelines author Dr. Paul James, head of the department of family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine.

"We really couldn't see additional health benefits by driving blood pressure lower than 150 in people over 60 [years of age]," James explained. "It was very clear that 150 was the best number."

The American Heart Association (AHA) and the American College of Cardiology (ACC) did not review the new guidelines, but the AHA has expressed reservations about the panel's conclusions.

"We are concerned that relaxing the recommendations may expose more persons to the problem of inadequately controlled blood pressure," said AHA president-elect Dr. Elliott Antman, a cardiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School in Boston.

In November, the AHA and ACC released their own joint set of treatment guidelines for high blood pressure, as well as new guidelines for the treatment of high cholesterol that could greatly expand the number of people taking cholesterol-lowering statins.

About one in three adults in the United States has high blood pressure, according to the U.S. National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute.

The institute formed the Eighth Joint National Committee, or JNC 8, in 2008 to update the last set of high blood pressure treatment guidelines, which were issued in 2003.

In June 2013, the institute announced that it would no longer participate in the development of any clinical guidelines, including the blood pressure guidelines nearing completion.

However, the announcement came after the institute had reviewed the preliminary JNC 8 findings. The JNC 8 decided to forge ahead and finish the guidelines.

The recommendation to start seniors on medication at a higher blood pressure reading is based both on evidence of the medical benefit as well as concern over potential drug interactions and high drug costs, James said.

"The elderly are more likely to have other diseases that require medication. It's not uncommon for me to see people who are on 10 different medications for various illnesses," he said. "If we don't see evidence of improved health benefits, then the question becomes why add those additional medicines?"

The definition of high blood pressure -- anything above 140/90 -- remains the same under the new guidelines, James said. Lifestyle changes should be used to treat people who have high blood pressure readings that fall below the level where medicine is needed, he explained.

The panel also recommended a "toolbox" of four different blood pressure medications that doctors could use treat patients -- diuretics, calcium channel blockers, angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors, or angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs).

"It gives options for physicians to begin treatment, and all classes have generic versions available," James said. "This is a slight difference from JNC 7, where they preferred the diuretic class as the preferred first choice. We didn't see significant differences between the four classes at improving health outcomes."

James emphasized that these are treatment guidelines for doctors. "Patients should not read these guidelines and take themselves off medications," he said. "These are recommendations that are intended for physicians who are highly trained professionals and will adapt them to individual patients' needs."

The JNC 8 reached its conclusions after reviewing more than 30 years of clinical studies. However, the AHA is concerned that those studies could not have assessed the full damage of long-term high blood pressure.

"The adverse effects of high blood pressure on a person's health may take many, many years to develop, longer than the follow-up period of many of the trials included in the evidence review," Antman said.

Epidemiologic evidence has shown that a lower blood pressure is associated with lower rates of strokes, heart failure and death, he added.

The guidelines issued by the AHA and the ACC call for lifestyle changes to treat people with a systolic pressure of 140 to 159 and a diastolic pressure of 90 to 99. Blood pressure levels greater than those should be treated by a combination of medication and lifestyle changes. Treatment would continue as long as the person had blood pressure higher than 140/90.

Even though the JNC 8 guidelines were not reviewed by the AHA or the ACC, the expert panel has provided enough transparency that its recommendations should be taken seriously, said Dr. Harold Sox, of the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.

"They laid the evidence out in a really crystal clear way, and were really careful to make recommendations you could trace back to the evidence without asking, 'How did they come up with that?'" Sox said.

"Even though they didn't send the guidelines to AHA and ACC, their documentation of the review process was so thorough that I, for one, was convinced they couldn't have learned anything more than what was learned in the initial review process," Sox added.

Dr. Curtis Rimmerman, a staff cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, said he will weigh the new recommendations in his future treatment decisions.

"I'm going to have to go along with what I think are responsible people doing responsible acts," he said. "I don't think it's going to change my practice very much, but I want to digest this information further. In some patients, I may relax some of my blood pressure goals, particularly among more elderly patients who are taking many medications."

 

Nancy Matulis

ACB Maine Secretary

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Thu Dec 19 00:20:03 2013
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:20:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines
Message-ID: 78ee35d6-acbe-454b-b6a5-237c6f896ecc@samobile.net

Ug that sure would save on the cost of some of that medicine. Good heavens.

Original message:
> From: acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org 
> [mailto:acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Matulis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:41 PM
> To: acb-diabetics at acb.org
> Subject: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines




> New Blood Pressure Guidelines Raise the Bar for Taking Medications


> Published: December 18, 2013 12:41 PM
> By Dennis Thompson  HealthDay Reporter


> Photos


>  
> <http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6634600.1387388472!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg>

> Fewer people should take medicine to control their high blood pressure, 
> a new set of guidelines recommends.

> Adults aged 60 or older should only take blood pressure medication if 
> their blood pressure exceeds 150/90, which sets a higher bar for 
> treatment than the current guideline of 140/90, according to the 
> report, published online Dec. 18 in the Journal of the American Medical 
> Association.

> The expert panel that crafted the guidelines also recommends that 
> diabetes and kidney patients younger than 60 be treated at the same 
> point as everyone else that age, when their blood pressure exceeds 
> 140/90. Until now, people with those chronic conditions have been 
> prescribed medication when their blood pressure reading topped 130/80.

>   _____





>   _____

> Blood pressure is the force exerted on the inner walls of blood vessels 
> as the heart pumps blood to all parts of the body. The upper reading, 
> known as the systolic pressure, measures that force as the heart 
> contracts and pushes blood out of its chambers. The lower reading, 
> known as diastolic pressure, measures that force as the heart relaxes 
> between contractions. Adult blood pressure is considered normal at 120/80.

> The recommendations are based on clinical evidence showing that 
> stricter guidelines provided no additional benefit to patients, 
> explained guidelines author Dr. Paul James, head of the department of 
> family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine.

> "We really couldn't see additional health benefits by driving blood 
> pressure lower than 150 in people over 60 [years of age]," James 
> explained. "It was very clear that 150 was the best number."

> The American Heart Association (AHA) and the American College of 
> Cardiology (ACC) did not review the new guidelines, but the AHA has 
> expressed reservations about the panel's conclusions.

> "We are concerned that relaxing the recommendations may expose more 
> persons to the problem of inadequately controlled blood pressure," said 
> AHA president-elect Dr. Elliott Antman, a cardiologist at Brigham and 
> Women's Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School in Boston.

> In November, the AHA and ACC released their own joint set of treatment 
> guidelines for high blood pressure, as well as new guidelines for the 
> treatment of high cholesterol that could greatly expand the number of 
> people taking cholesterol-lowering statins.

> About one in three adults in the United States has high blood pressure, 
> according to the U.S. National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute.

> The institute formed the Eighth Joint National Committee, or JNC 8, in 
> 2008 to update the last set of high blood pressure treatment 
> guidelines, which were issued in 2003.

> In June 2013, the institute announced that it would no longer 
> participate in the development of any clinical guidelines, including 
> the blood pressure guidelines nearing completion.

> However, the announcement came after the institute had reviewed the 
> preliminary JNC 8 findings. The JNC 8 decided to forge ahead and finish 
> the guidelines.

> The recommendation to start seniors on medication at a higher blood 
> pressure reading is based both on evidence of the medical benefit as 
> well as concern over potential drug interactions and high drug costs, 
> James said.

> "The elderly are more likely to have other diseases that require 
> medication. It's not uncommon for me to see people who are on 10 
> different medications for various illnesses," he said. "If we don't see 
> evidence of improved health benefits, then the question becomes why add 
> those additional medicines?"

> The definition of high blood pressure -- anything above 140/90 -- 
> remains the same under the new guidelines, James said. Lifestyle 
> changes should be used to treat people who have high blood pressure 
> readings that fall below the level where medicine is needed, he explained.

> The panel also recommended a "toolbox" of four different blood pressure 
> medications that doctors could use treat patients -- diuretics, calcium 
> channel blockers, angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors, or 
> angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs).

> "It gives options for physicians to begin treatment, and all classes 
> have generic versions available," James said. "This is a slight 
> difference from JNC 7, where they preferred the diuretic class as the 
> preferred first choice. We didn't see significant differences between 
> the four classes at improving health outcomes."

> James emphasized that these are treatment guidelines for doctors. 
> "Patients should not read these guidelines and take themselves off 
> medications," he said. "These are recommendations that are intended for 
> physicians who are highly trained professionals and will adapt them to 
> individual patients' needs."

> The JNC 8 reached its conclusions after reviewing more than 30 years of 
> clinical studies. However, the AHA is concerned that those studies 
> could not have assessed the full damage of long-term high blood pressure.

> "The adverse effects of high blood pressure on a person's health may 
> take many, many years to develop, longer than the follow-up period of 
> many of the trials included in the evidence review," Antman said.

> Epidemiologic evidence has shown that a lower blood pressure is 
> associated with lower rates of strokes, heart failure and death, he added.

> The guidelines issued by the AHA and the ACC call for lifestyle changes 
> to treat people with a systolic pressure of 140 to 159 and a diastolic 
> pressure of 90 to 99. Blood pressure levels greater than those should 
> be treated by a combination of medication and lifestyle changes. 
> Treatment would continue as long as the person had blood pressure 
> higher than 140/90.

> Even though the JNC 8 guidelines were not reviewed by the AHA or the 
> ACC, the expert panel has provided enough transparency that its 
> recommendations should be taken seriously, said Dr. Harold Sox, of the 
> Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.

> "They laid the evidence out in a really crystal clear way, and were 
> really careful to make recommendations you could trace back to the 
> evidence without asking, 'How did they come up with that?'" Sox said.

> "Even though they didn't send the guidelines to AHA and ACC, their 
> documentation of the review process was so thorough that I, for one, 
> was convinced they couldn't have learned anything more than what was 
> learned in the initial review process," Sox added.

> Dr. Curtis Rimmerman, a staff cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic in 
> Ohio, said he will weigh the new recommendations in his future 
> treatment decisions.

> "I'm going to have to go along with what I think are responsible people 
> doing responsible acts," he said. "I don't think it's going to change 
> my practice very much, but I want to digest this information further. 
> In some patients, I may relax some of my blood pressure goals, 
> particularly among more elderly patients who are taking many medications."



> Nancy Matulis

> ACB Maine Secretary

> Sent from my iPad
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From fidano at comcast.net  Thu Dec 19 02:06:48 2013
From: fidano at comcast.net (Tamera)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:06:48 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines
In-Reply-To: 78ee35d6-acbe-454b-b6a5-237c6f896ecc@samobile.net
References: 78ee35d6-acbe-454b-b6a5-237c6f896ecc@samobile.net
Message-ID: <000101cefc5e$fa325110$ee96f330$@comcast.net>

Yep, cause their going to getcha now with the new statin guidelines!

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:20 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines

Ug that sure would save on the cost of some of that medicine. Good heavens.

Original message:
> From: acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org 
> [mailto:acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Matulis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:41 PM
> To: acb-diabetics at acb.org
> Subject: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines




> New Blood Pressure Guidelines Raise the Bar for Taking Medications


> Published: December 18, 2013 12:41 PM
> By Dennis Thompson  HealthDay Reporter


> Photos


>  
>
<http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6634600.1387388472!/httpImage/image.jp
g_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg>

> Fewer people should take medicine to control their high blood pressure, 
> a new set of guidelines recommends.

> Adults aged 60 or older should only take blood pressure medication if 
> their blood pressure exceeds 150/90, which sets a higher bar for 
> treatment than the current guideline of 140/90, according to the 
> report, published online Dec. 18 in the Journal of the American Medical 
> Association.

> The expert panel that crafted the guidelines also recommends that 
> diabetes and kidney patients younger than 60 be treated at the same 
> point as everyone else that age, when their blood pressure exceeds 
> 140/90. Until now, people with those chronic conditions have been 
> prescribed medication when their blood pressure reading topped 130/80.

>   _____





>   _____

> Blood pressure is the force exerted on the inner walls of blood vessels 
> as the heart pumps blood to all parts of the body. The upper reading, 
> known as the systolic pressure, measures that force as the heart 
> contracts and pushes blood out of its chambers. The lower reading, 
> known as diastolic pressure, measures that force as the heart relaxes 
> between contractions. Adult blood pressure is considered normal at 120/80.

> The recommendations are based on clinical evidence showing that 
> stricter guidelines provided no additional benefit to patients, 
> explained guidelines author Dr. Paul James, head of the department of 
> family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine.

> "We really couldn't see additional health benefits by driving blood 
> pressure lower than 150 in people over 60 [years of age]," James 
> explained. "It was very clear that 150 was the best number."

> The American Heart Association (AHA) and the American College of 
> Cardiology (ACC) did not review the new guidelines, but the AHA has 
> expressed reservations about the panel's conclusions.

> "We are concerned that relaxing the recommendations may expose more 
> persons to the problem of inadequately controlled blood pressure," said 
> AHA president-elect Dr. Elliott Antman, a cardiologist at Brigham and 
> Women's Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School in Boston.

> In November, the AHA and ACC released their own joint set of treatment 
> guidelines for high blood pressure, as well as new guidelines for the 
> treatment of high cholesterol that could greatly expand the number of 
> people taking cholesterol-lowering statins.

> About one in three adults in the United States has high blood pressure, 
> according to the U.S. National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute.

> The institute formed the Eighth Joint National Committee, or JNC 8, in 
> 2008 to update the last set of high blood pressure treatment 
> guidelines, which were issued in 2003.

> In June 2013, the institute announced that it would no longer 
> participate in the development of any clinical guidelines, including 
> the blood pressure guidelines nearing completion.

> However, the announcement came after the institute had reviewed the 
> preliminary JNC 8 findings. The JNC 8 decided to forge ahead and finish 
> the guidelines.

> The recommendation to start seniors on medication at a higher blood 
> pressure reading is based both on evidence of the medical benefit as 
> well as concern over potential drug interactions and high drug costs, 
> James said.

> "The elderly are more likely to have other diseases that require 
> medication. It's not uncommon for me to see people who are on 10 
> different medications for various illnesses," he said. "If we don't see 
> evidence of improved health benefits, then the question becomes why add 
> those additional medicines?"

> The definition of high blood pressure -- anything above 140/90 -- 
> remains the same under the new guidelines, James said. Lifestyle 
> changes should be used to treat people who have high blood pressure 
> readings that fall below the level where medicine is needed, he explained.

> The panel also recommended a "toolbox" of four different blood pressure 
> medications that doctors could use treat patients -- diuretics, calcium 
> channel blockers, angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors, or 
> angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs).

> "It gives options for physicians to begin treatment, and all classes 
> have generic versions available," James said. "This is a slight 
> difference from JNC 7, where they preferred the diuretic class as the 
> preferred first choice. We didn't see significant differences between 
> the four classes at improving health outcomes."

> James emphasized that these are treatment guidelines for doctors. 
> "Patients should not read these guidelines and take themselves off 
> medications," he said. "These are recommendations that are intended for 
> physicians who are highly trained professionals and will adapt them to 
> individual patients' needs."

> The JNC 8 reached its conclusions after reviewing more than 30 years of 
> clinical studies. However, the AHA is concerned that those studies 
> could not have assessed the full damage of long-term high blood pressure.

> "The adverse effects of high blood pressure on a person's health may 
> take many, many years to develop, longer than the follow-up period of 
> many of the trials included in the evidence review," Antman said.

> Epidemiologic evidence has shown that a lower blood pressure is 
> associated with lower rates of strokes, heart failure and death, he added.

> The guidelines issued by the AHA and the ACC call for lifestyle changes 
> to treat people with a systolic pressure of 140 to 159 and a diastolic 
> pressure of 90 to 99. Blood pressure levels greater than those should 
> be treated by a combination of medication and lifestyle changes. 
> Treatment would continue as long as the person had blood pressure 
> higher than 140/90.

> Even though the JNC 8 guidelines were not reviewed by the AHA or the 
> ACC, the expert panel has provided enough transparency that its 
> recommendations should be taken seriously, said Dr. Harold Sox, of the 
> Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.

> "They laid the evidence out in a really crystal clear way, and were 
> really careful to make recommendations you could trace back to the 
> evidence without asking, 'How did they come up with that?'" Sox said.

> "Even though they didn't send the guidelines to AHA and ACC, their 
> documentation of the review process was so thorough that I, for one, 
> was convinced they couldn't have learned anything more than what was 
> learned in the initial review process," Sox added.

> Dr. Curtis Rimmerman, a staff cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic in 
> Ohio, said he will weigh the new recommendations in his future 
> treatment decisions.

> "I'm going to have to go along with what I think are responsible people 
> doing responsible acts," he said. "I don't think it's going to change 
> my practice very much, but I want to digest this information further. 
> In some patients, I may relax some of my blood pressure goals, 
> particularly among more elderly patients who are taking many medications."



> Nancy Matulis

> ACB Maine Secretary

> Sent from my iPad
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Dec 19 02:42:21 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:42:21 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines
In-Reply-To: <000101cefc5e$fa325110$ee96f330$@comcast.net>
References: 78ee35d6-acbe-454b-b6a5-237c6f896ecc@samobile.net
	<000101cefc5e$fa325110$ee96f330$@comcast.net>
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I think there's enough resistance that those won't fly. There's a fair
amount of evidence that the study was flawed.

Mike


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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Tamera
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:07 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines

Yep, cause their going to getcha now with the new statin guidelines!

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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:20 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines

Ug that sure would save on the cost of some of that medicine. Good heavens.

Original message:
> From: acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org 
> [mailto:acb-diabetics-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Matulis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:41 PM
> To: acb-diabetics at acb.org
> Subject: [acb-diabetics] New BP guidelines




> New Blood Pressure Guidelines Raise the Bar for Taking Medications


> Published: December 18, 2013 12:41 PM
> By Dennis Thompson  HealthDay Reporter


> Photos


>  
>
<http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6634600.1387388472!/httpImage/image.jp
g_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg>

> Fewer people should take medicine to control their high blood pressure, 
> a new set of guidelines recommends.

> Adults aged 60 or older should only take blood pressure medication if 
> their blood pressure exceeds 150/90, which sets a higher bar for 
> treatment than the current guideline of 140/90, according to the 
> report, published online Dec. 18 in the Journal of the American Medical 
> Association.

> The expert panel that crafted the guidelines also recommends that 
> diabetes and kidney patients younger than 60 be treated at the same 
> point as everyone else that age, when their blood pressure exceeds 
> 140/90. Until now, people with those chronic conditions have been 
> prescribed medication when their blood pressure reading topped 130/80.

>   _____





>   _____

> Blood pressure is the force exerted on the inner walls of blood vessels 
> as the heart pumps blood to all parts of the body. The upper reading, 
> known as the systolic pressure, measures that force as the heart 
> contracts and pushes blood out of its chambers. The lower reading, 
> known as diastolic pressure, measures that force as the heart relaxes 
> between contractions. Adult blood pressure is considered normal at 120/80.

> The recommendations are based on clinical evidence showing that 
> stricter guidelines provided no additional benefit to patients, 
> explained guidelines author Dr. Paul James, head of the department of 
> family medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine.

> "We really couldn't see additional health benefits by driving blood 
> pressure lower than 150 in people over 60 [years of age]," James 
> explained. "It was very clear that 150 was the best number."

> The American Heart Association (AHA) and the American College of 
> Cardiology (ACC) did not review the new guidelines, but the AHA has 
> expressed reservations about the panel's conclusions.

> "We are concerned that relaxing the recommendations may expose more 
> persons to the problem of inadequately controlled blood pressure," said 
> AHA president-elect Dr. Elliott Antman, a cardiologist at Brigham and 
> Women's Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School in Boston.

> In November, the AHA and ACC released their own joint set of treatment 
> guidelines for high blood pressure, as well as new guidelines for the 
> treatment of high cholesterol that could greatly expand the number of 
> people taking cholesterol-lowering statins.

> About one in three adults in the United States has high blood pressure, 
> according to the U.S. National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute.

> The institute formed the Eighth Joint National Committee, or JNC 8, in 
> 2008 to update the last set of high blood pressure treatment 
> guidelines, which were issued in 2003.

> In June 2013, the institute announced that it would no longer 
> participate in the development of any clinical guidelines, including 
> the blood pressure guidelines nearing completion.

> However, the announcement came after the institute had reviewed the 
> preliminary JNC 8 findings. The JNC 8 decided to forge ahead and finish 
> the guidelines.

> The recommendation to start seniors on medication at a higher blood 
> pressure reading is based both on evidence of the medical benefit as 
> well as concern over potential drug interactions and high drug costs, 
> James said.

> "The elderly are more likely to have other diseases that require 
> medication. It's not uncommon for me to see people who are on 10 
> different medications for various illnesses," he said. "If we don't see 
> evidence of improved health benefits, then the question becomes why add 
> those additional medicines?"

> The definition of high blood pressure -- anything above 140/90 -- 
> remains the same under the new guidelines, James said. Lifestyle 
> changes should be used to treat people who have high blood pressure 
> readings that fall below the level where medicine is needed, he explained.

> The panel also recommended a "toolbox" of four different blood pressure 
> medications that doctors could use treat patients -- diuretics, calcium 
> channel blockers, angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors, or 
> angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs).

> "It gives options for physicians to begin treatment, and all classes 
> have generic versions available," James said. "This is a slight 
> difference from JNC 7, where they preferred the diuretic class as the 
> preferred first choice. We didn't see significant differences between 
> the four classes at improving health outcomes."

> James emphasized that these are treatment guidelines for doctors. 
> "Patients should not read these guidelines and take themselves off 
> medications," he said. "These are recommendations that are intended for 
> physicians who are highly trained professionals and will adapt them to 
> individual patients' needs."

> The JNC 8 reached its conclusions after reviewing more than 30 years of 
> clinical studies. However, the AHA is concerned that those studies 
> could not have assessed the full damage of long-term high blood pressure.

> "The adverse effects of high blood pressure on a person's health may 
> take many, many years to develop, longer than the follow-up period of 
> many of the trials included in the evidence review," Antman said.

> Epidemiologic evidence has shown that a lower blood pressure is 
> associated with lower rates of strokes, heart failure and death, he added.

> The guidelines issued by the AHA and the ACC call for lifestyle changes 
> to treat people with a systolic pressure of 140 to 159 and a diastolic 
> pressure of 90 to 99. Blood pressure levels greater than those should 
> be treated by a combination of medication and lifestyle changes. 
> Treatment would continue as long as the person had blood pressure 
> higher than 140/90.

> Even though the JNC 8 guidelines were not reviewed by the AHA or the 
> ACC, the expert panel has provided enough transparency that its 
> recommendations should be taken seriously, said Dr. Harold Sox, of the 
> Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.

> "They laid the evidence out in a really crystal clear way, and were 
> really careful to make recommendations you could trace back to the 
> evidence without asking, 'How did they come up with that?'" Sox said.

> "Even though they didn't send the guidelines to AHA and ACC, their 
> documentation of the review process was so thorough that I, for one, 
> was convinced they couldn't have learned anything more than what was 
> learned in the initial review process," Sox added.

> Dr. Curtis Rimmerman, a staff cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic in 
> Ohio, said he will weigh the new recommendations in his future 
> treatment decisions.

> "I'm going to have to go along with what I think are responsible people 
> doing responsible acts," he said. "I don't think it's going to change 
> my practice very much, but I want to digest this information further. 
> In some patients, I may relax some of my blood pressure goals, 
> particularly among more elderly patients who are taking many medications."



> Nancy Matulis

> ACB Maine Secretary

> Sent from my iPad
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 19 21:44:06 2013
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:44:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease
Message-ID: <BLU169-W23E1F8C9E1D3046884320BA1C50@phx.gbl>

Because I lost my vision to Diabetes and have kidney disease. A Transplant is a treatment it isn't a cure, I am posting this article to the list, so for those that do not know what to look for you should be asking your physician to run these tests if they are not doing so, and ask for the results of these test, not that they are normal but the actual numbers, and keep track of them for your own.
I didn't know this, and when I went to my doctor after going on disability for my eyes, to my new doctor, since my old one moved to another state, said to me when she gave me the bad news about my kidneys, didn't my other doctor ever treat or check for kidney disease prior to this. I said no.
That was back in 2001. Today I know better, and I try to educate those about this disease. So here is the article.
Kidney disease is a stealth illness. It may often be silent for many years?until it has reached an advanced stage.
When you get a checkup, it's important to make sure your health care provider includes tests of your kidney function, experts say. This is especially true if you have some of the conditions that can increase your risk for kidney disease, such as high blood pressure and diabetes.
Two simple blood tests, blood-urea-nitrogen and serum creatinine level, and a regular urine analysis can help determine if your kidneys are functioning normally.
If you have diabetes but no known kidney disease, your health care provider can order an additional test called microalbumin screening. This test can pick up signs of early kidney problems before any of the other "kidney function tests" become abnormal. For patients with diabetes, the microalbumin test should be done once a year, according to the American Diabetes Association.When high blood pressure or diabetes is detected and controlled with treatment, the risk of kidney disease and other complications is greatly reduced.
Many people don't realize how important their kidneys are to their good health. In addition to filtering wastes from your blood, the kidneys do several other key jobs to keep your body functioning smoothly:
They produce a hormone that helps your body make red blood cells. This prevents anemia or a low blood count.They make hormones that help to regulate blood pressure.They keep your bones strong by making an activated form of vitamin D.
Cheryl Echevarria 

Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com

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From joystigile at gmail.com  Fri Dec 20 06:41:08 2013
From: joystigile at gmail.com (Joy Stigile)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:41:08 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease
References: <BLU169-W23E1F8C9E1D3046884320BA1C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BC6CF4AA5E0046BE8B520EEB25865F8A@DBTOA000>

Thanks Cheryl, I will ask my Doctor next time for my results.  I
 do have this test done each year but, I have never taken down the results 
to keep tract of.

Warmly, Joy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease


Because I lost my vision to Diabetes and have kidney disease. A Transplant 
is a treatment it isn't a cure, I am posting this article to the list, so 
for those that do not know what to look for you should be asking your 
physician to run these tests if they are not doing so, and ask for the 
results of these test, not that they are normal but the actual numbers, and 
keep track of them for your own.
I didn't know this, and when I went to my doctor after going on disability 
for my eyes, to my new doctor, since my old one moved to another state, said 
to me when she gave me the bad news about my kidneys, didn't my other doctor 
ever treat or check for kidney disease prior to this. I said no.
That was back in 2001. Today I know better, and I try to educate those about 
this disease. So here is the article.
Kidney disease is a stealth illness. It may often be silent for many 
years?until it has reached an advanced stage.
When you get a checkup, it's important to make sure your health care 
provider includes tests of your kidney function, experts say. This is 
especially true if you have some of the conditions that can increase your 
risk for kidney disease, such as high blood pressure and diabetes.
Two simple blood tests, blood-urea-nitrogen and serum creatinine level, and 
a regular urine analysis can help determine if your kidneys are functioning 
normally.
If you have diabetes but no known kidney disease, your health care provider 
can order an additional test called microalbumin screening. This test can 
pick up signs of early kidney problems before any of the other "kidney 
function tests" become abnormal. For patients with diabetes, the 
microalbumin test should be done once a year, according to the American 
Diabetes Association.When high blood pressure or diabetes is detected and 
controlled with treatment, the risk of kidney disease and other 
complications is greatly reduced.
Many people don't realize how important their kidneys are to their good 
health. In addition to filtering wastes from your blood, the kidneys do 
several other key jobs to keep your body functioning smoothly:
They produce a hormone that helps your body make red blood cells. This 
prevents anemia or a low blood count.They make hormones that help to 
regulate blood pressure.They keep your bones strong by making an activated 
form of vitamin D.
Cheryl Echevarria

Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in 
Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, 
Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com

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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Dec 20 15:36:49 2013
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:36:49 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease
In-Reply-To: <BC6CF4AA5E0046BE8B520EEB25865F8A@DBTOA000>
References: <BLU169-W23E1F8C9E1D3046884320BA1C50@phx.gbl>
	<BC6CF4AA5E0046BE8B520EEB25865F8A@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <001b01cefd99$4d0af370$e720da50$@panix.com>

Mine (together with doctor comments) are displayed electronically on the
Vancouver Clinic's web site.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:41 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease

Thanks Cheryl, I will ask my Doctor next time for my results.  I
 do have this test done each year but, I have never taken down the results 
to keep tract of.

Warmly, Joy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease


Because I lost my vision to Diabetes and have kidney disease. A Transplant 
is a treatment it isn't a cure, I am posting this article to the list, so 
for those that do not know what to look for you should be asking your 
physician to run these tests if they are not doing so, and ask for the 
results of these test, not that they are normal but the actual numbers, and 
keep track of them for your own.
I didn't know this, and when I went to my doctor after going on disability 
for my eyes, to my new doctor, since my old one moved to another state, said

to me when she gave me the bad news about my kidneys, didn't my other doctor

ever treat or check for kidney disease prior to this. I said no.
That was back in 2001. Today I know better, and I try to educate those about

this disease. So here is the article.
Kidney disease is a stealth illness. It may often be silent for many 
years-until it has reached an advanced stage.
When you get a checkup, it's important to make sure your health care 
provider includes tests of your kidney function, experts say. This is 
especially true if you have some of the conditions that can increase your 
risk for kidney disease, such as high blood pressure and diabetes.
Two simple blood tests, blood-urea-nitrogen and serum creatinine level, and 
a regular urine analysis can help determine if your kidneys are functioning 
normally.
If you have diabetes but no known kidney disease, your health care provider 
can order an additional test called microalbumin screening. This test can 
pick up signs of early kidney problems before any of the other "kidney 
function tests" become abnormal. For patients with diabetes, the 
microalbumin test should be done once a year, according to the American 
Diabetes Association.When high blood pressure or diabetes is detected and 
controlled with treatment, the risk of kidney disease and other 
complications is greatly reduced.
Many people don't realize how important their kidneys are to their good 
health. In addition to filtering wastes from your blood, the kidneys do 
several other key jobs to keep your body functioning smoothly:
They produce a hormone that helps your body make red blood cells. This 
prevents anemia or a low blood count.They make hormones that help to 
regulate blood pressure.They keep your bones strong by making an activated 
form of vitamin D.
Cheryl Echevarria

Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in 
Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, 
Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com

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From veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com  Fri Dec 20 20:12:47 2013
From: veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com (Veronica Elsea)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:12:47 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease
In-Reply-To: <001b01cefd99$4d0af370$e720da50$@panix.com>
References: <BLU169-W23E1F8C9E1D3046884320BA1C50@phx.gbl>	<BC6CF4AA5E0046BE8B520EEB25865F8A@DBTOA000>
	<001b01cefd99$4d0af370$e720da50$@panix.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cefdbf$da1393a0$8e3abae0$@laurelcreekmusic.com>

I'm fortunate enough to see my results online as well. I can also easily
compare the results with previous tests.
I hadn't known about the connection with production of Vitamin D though.
That was quite interesting. Thanks.
Veronica

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Make the humans and dogs on your list really happy by giving them music from
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????????????????Veronica Elsea, Owner
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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:37 AM
To: 'Joy Stigile'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease

Mine (together with doctor comments) are displayed electronically on the
Vancouver Clinic's web site.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joy Stigile
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:41 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease

Thanks Cheryl, I will ask my Doctor next time for my results.  I
 do have this test done each year but, I have never taken down the results 
to keep tract of.

Warmly, Joy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] The Warning Signs of Kidney Disease


Because I lost my vision to Diabetes and have kidney disease. A Transplant 
is a treatment it isn't a cure, I am posting this article to the list, so 
for those that do not know what to look for you should be asking your 
physician to run these tests if they are not doing so, and ask for the 
results of these test, not that they are normal but the actual numbers, and 
keep track of them for your own.
I didn't know this, and when I went to my doctor after going on disability 
for my eyes, to my new doctor, since my old one moved to another state, said

to me when she gave me the bad news about my kidneys, didn't my other doctor

ever treat or check for kidney disease prior to this. I said no.
That was back in 2001. Today I know better, and I try to educate those about

this disease. So here is the article.
Kidney disease is a stealth illness. It may often be silent for many 
years-until it has reached an advanced stage.
When you get a checkup, it's important to make sure your health care 
provider includes tests of your kidney function, experts say. This is 
especially true if you have some of the conditions that can increase your 
risk for kidney disease, such as high blood pressure and diabetes.
Two simple blood tests, blood-urea-nitrogen and serum creatinine level, and 
a regular urine analysis can help determine if your kidneys are functioning 
normally.
If you have diabetes but no known kidney disease, your health care provider 
can order an additional test called microalbumin screening. This test can 
pick up signs of early kidney problems before any of the other "kidney 
function tests" become abnormal. For patients with diabetes, the 
microalbumin test should be done once a year, according to the American 
Diabetes Association.When high blood pressure or diabetes is detected and 
controlled with treatment, the risk of kidney disease and other 
complications is greatly reduced.
Many people don't realize how important their kidneys are to their good 
health. In addition to filtering wastes from your blood, the kidneys do 
several other key jobs to keep your body functioning smoothly:
They produce a hormone that helps your body make red blood cells. This 
prevents anemia or a low blood count.They make hormones that help to 
regulate blood pressure.They keep your bones strong by making an activated 
form of vitamin D.
Cheryl Echevarria

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec 25 13:55:27 2013
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 07:55:27 -0600
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