From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Feb  1 00:27:24 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:27:24 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve
Message-ID: <D73C5778991546B4988E6E7DE395F56B@owner96190708e>

Greetings!

I've looked at http://www.InsulinCaseShop.com and there are many 
fascinating and useful cases and devices there. But virtually *none* of 
them have decent descriptions allowing one to figure out what the cases 
look like, what supplies they will accommodate and the like.

GRRR!!

Mike Freeman 




From dmgina at qwest.net  Sun Feb  1 02:25:10 2009
From: dmgina at qwest.net (dmgina)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:25:10 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve
References: <D73C5778991546B4988E6E7DE395F56B@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <E82450F48F5E4CB3B03ACCF31E90F076@DG28KX51>

I find that lots of times looking for cases.
I hope you find what you are looking for.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve


> Greetings!
>
> I've looked at http://www.InsulinCaseShop.com and there are many
> fascinating and useful cases and devices there. But virtually *none* of
> them have decent descriptions allowing one to figure out what the cases
> look like, what supplies they will accommodate and the like.
>
> GRRR!!
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Feb  1 03:03:34 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:03:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve
In-Reply-To: <D73C5778991546B4988E6E7DE395F56B@owner96190708e>
References: <D73C5778991546B4988E6E7DE395F56B@owner96190708e>
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Hi Mike, 
What screen reader are you using? I am using JAWS 10 and was able to view
the description of every item I looked at. Once I clicked the link to go to
the individual product page, I found a clickable item with the text of
"description." I found this by doing a search for the text string of "desc."
Once I clicked that with the virtual cursor, I was able to then down arrow
to the actual descriptive text for the item. Each time I found very useful
info on the cases etc. that I viewed.

Hope this helps,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:27 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve

Greetings!

I've looked at http://www.InsulinCaseShop.com and there are many fascinating
and useful cases and devices there. But virtually *none* of them have decent
descriptions allowing one to figure out what the cases look like, what
supplies they will accommodate and the like.

GRRR!!

Mike Freeman 


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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Feb  1 03:37:55 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:37:55 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve
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	<8EFCA79AD16F4263832D5A2016B0AF61@SuperMaddox>
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Hi, Dave. I was actually using a Braille Sense Plus, equivalent to a 
PDA.

Thanks.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve


Hi Mike,
What screen reader are you using? I am using JAWS 10 and was able to 
view
the description of every item I looked at. Once I clicked the link to go 
to
the individual product page, I found a clickable item with the text of
"description." I found this by doing a search for the text string of 
"desc."
Once I clicked that with the virtual cursor, I was able to then down 
arrow
to the actual descriptive text for the item. Each time I found very 
useful
info on the cases etc. that I viewed.

Hope this helps,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:27 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A Minor Peeve

Greetings!

I've looked at http://www.InsulinCaseShop.com and there are many 
fascinating
and useful cases and devices there. But virtually *none* of them have 
decent
descriptions allowing one to figure out what the cases look like, what
supplies they will accommodate and the like.

GRRR!!

Mike Freeman


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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  1 14:47:33 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 08:47:33 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
References: <001001c9831d$3c571500$b5053f00$@net><001901c983b0$7e469f10$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7><3EC66F03B3CC473EB6B09CF86502768C@FACDONNA><BAY131-DS427890BE489B3F35D3684A1C70@phx.gbl>
	<20090131184632.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c9847c$04d68ab0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

so do i Mike and in 42 years of diabetes my feet are just fine. however ,for 
Christmas this past year my daughters bought me some diabetic socks and they 
are very nice and comfortable.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks


> My solution to the problem is not to worry about it. I get my feet checked 
> at each three-month doctor's visit and I have good pulses and nerve 
> reactions in both feet and ankles so I just wear what I like and what's 
> comfortable. Which means that I break half the "diabetic foot rules" a 
> good bit of the time.
>
> Flipflops forever! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Donna Miller" <dmiller64 at tx.rr.com>, "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" 
> <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:00
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>
>>
>>
>> medicare pays for shoes 1 time a year and there was a great vendor at the
>> convention this year who I got shoes from.  They were great.
>>
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Donna Miller" <dmiller64 at tx.rr.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>>
>>
>> > Medicare covers a lot of my stuff like shoes and socks and stuff like
>> > that. Believe me, shes are expensive and they want me to get new shoes
>> > every year.
>> > Donna Miller
>> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >   From: catdancing
>> >   To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >   Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:30 AM
>> >   Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>> >
>> >
>> >   question? where do ya get all the money to afford all this necessary
>> >   diabetic stuff???
>> >   Debbie
>> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >   From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
>> >   To: "Diabetes Talk" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:56 PM
>> >   Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>> >
>> >
>> >   > Hi Folks,
>> >   >
>> >   >                The following title "Shoes and Socks" was carried in
>> > the
>> >   > Voice years back, and may supply you with information you could 
>> > use.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > Regards,
>> >   >
>> >   > Ed Bryant
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > Shoes and Socks
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > Proper footwear is especially critical to prevention of diabetic 
>> > foot
>> >   > problems.  Here are some tips on selecting the safest shoes and 
>> > socks:
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > .              Shoe fit - select shoes that fit from day one; don't
>> > expect
>> >   > them to "stretch." There should be plenty of room for toes.  Buy 
>> > shoes
>> >   > late
>> >   > in the day, when your feet enlarge somewhat.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > .              Shoe materials - avoid plastic and vinyl 
>> > ("man-made")
>> > shoe
>> >   > materials.  Select leather shoes or the modern running or walking
>> > shoes.
>> >   > Shoe materials must "breathe" to ventilate your feet.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > .              Shoe style - never wear shoes with open toes or 
>> > heels.
>> >   > Don't
>> >   > wear sandals, especially those with thongs between the toes.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > .              Shoe Inspection - Make sure shoes have no torn 
>> > linings.
>> >   > Your
>> >   > doctor or podiatrist should inspect new shoes to confirm proper 
>> > fit.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > .              Limit shoe wearing - don't wear shoes more than five
>> > hours
>> >   > at
>> >   > a time, then change to another pair.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > .              Hosiery - always wear socks or stockings.  Avoid 
>> > socks
>> > with
>> >   > seams, or those made of all-synthetic materials.  Cotton is best.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > You can wear wool socks in winter if they are non-irritating. 
>> > Change
>> >   > socks
>> >   > daily, and inspect them before and after wearing them.  Don't wear 
>> > any
>> >   > socks
>> >   > with holes or mended areas that can irritate skin.
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   >
>> >   > _______________________________________________
>> >   > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> >   > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >   > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> >   > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>> > for
>> >   > Diabetes-talk:
>> >   >
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
>> >
>> >
>> >   _______________________________________________
>> >   Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> >   Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> >   To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > Diabetes-talk:
>> >
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmiller64%40tx.rr.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> >
>>
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>
>


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From dmgina at qwest.net  Sun Feb  1 15:36:25 2009
From: dmgina at qwest.net (dmgina)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 08:36:25 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
References: <001001c9831d$3c571500$b5053f00$@net><001901c983b0$7e469f10$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7><3EC66F03B3CC473EB6B09CF86502768C@FACDONNA><BAY131-DS427890BE489B3F35D3684A1C70@phx.gbl><20090131184632.k7uij@panix.com>
	<00c001c9847c$04d68ab0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <C30081E94A964D0597119560B7C4473C@DG28KX51>

Good for you,
I am pleased you like them.
Hope they hold up well.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks


> so do i Mike and in 42 years of diabetes my feet are just fine. however 
> ,for Christmas this past year my daughters bought me some diabetic socks 
> and they are very nice and comfortable.
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>
>
>> My solution to the problem is not to worry about it. I get my feet 
>> checked at each three-month doctor's visit and I have good pulses and 
>> nerve reactions in both feet and ankles so I just wear what I like and 
>> what's comfortable. Which means that I break half the "diabetic foot 
>> rules" a good bit of the time.
>>
>> Flipflops forever! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Donna Miller" <dmiller64 at tx.rr.com>, "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" 
>> <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 10:33:00
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> medicare pays for shoes 1 time a year and there was a great vendor at 
>>> the
>>> convention this year who I got shoes from.  They were great.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Donna Miller" <dmiller64 at tx.rr.com>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>>>
>>>
>>> > Medicare covers a lot of my stuff like shoes and socks and stuff like
>>> > that. Believe me, shes are expensive and they want me to get new shoes
>>> > every year.
>>> > Donna Miller
>>> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >   From: catdancing
>>> >   To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> >   Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:30 AM
>>> >   Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   question? where do ya get all the money to afford all this necessary
>>> >   diabetic stuff???
>>> >   Debbie
>>> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >   From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
>>> >   To: "Diabetes Talk" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:56 PM
>>> >   Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   > Hi Folks,
>>> >   >
>>> >   >                The following title "Shoes and Socks" was carried 
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> >   > Voice years back, and may supply you with information you could 
>>> > use.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > Regards,
>>> >   >
>>> >   > Ed Bryant
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > Shoes and Socks
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > Proper footwear is especially critical to prevention of diabetic 
>>> > foot
>>> >   > problems.  Here are some tips on selecting the safest shoes and 
>>> > socks:
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > .              Shoe fit - select shoes that fit from day one; 
>>> > don't
>>> > expect
>>> >   > them to "stretch." There should be plenty of room for toes.  Buy 
>>> > shoes
>>> >   > late
>>> >   > in the day, when your feet enlarge somewhat.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > .              Shoe materials - avoid plastic and vinyl 
>>> > ("man-made")
>>> > shoe
>>> >   > materials.  Select leather shoes or the modern running or walking
>>> > shoes.
>>> >   > Shoe materials must "breathe" to ventilate your feet.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > .              Shoe style - never wear shoes with open toes or 
>>> > heels.
>>> >   > Don't
>>> >   > wear sandals, especially those with thongs between the toes.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > .              Shoe Inspection - Make sure shoes have no torn 
>>> > linings.
>>> >   > Your
>>> >   > doctor or podiatrist should inspect new shoes to confirm proper 
>>> > fit.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > .              Limit shoe wearing - don't wear shoes more than 
>>> > five
>>> > hours
>>> >   > at
>>> >   > a time, then change to another pair.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > .              Hosiery - always wear socks or stockings.  Avoid 
>>> > socks
>>> > with
>>> >   > seams, or those made of all-synthetic materials.  Cotton is best.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > You can wear wool socks in winter if they are non-irritating. 
>>> > Change
>>> >   > socks
>>> >   > daily, and inspect them before and after wearing them.  Don't wear 
>>> > any
>>> >   > socks
>>> >   > with holes or mended areas that can irritate skin.
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   >
>>> >   > _______________________________________________
>>> >   > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> >   > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >   > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> >   > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> > for
>>> >   > Diabetes-talk:
>>> >   >
>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   _______________________________________________
>>> >   Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> >   Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >   http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> >   To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> > for
>>> > Diabetes-talk:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/dmiller64%40tx.rr.com
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>>> > Diabetes-talk:
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>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Feb  3 14:48:05 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:48:05 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] National Federation of the Blind and Onkyo
 Corporation Promote Braille Literacy
Message-ID: <auto-000086593425@mailfront2.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Christopher S. Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



National Federation of the Blind and
Onkyo Corporation Promote Braille Literacy



Braille Essay Contest will Encourage Braille Usage Among the Blind





Baltimore, Maryland (February 3, 2009): The 
National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the 
oldest and largest organization of blind people 
in the United States, will administer the Onkyo 
Braille Literacy Essay Contest in the U.S. on 
behalf of the North American-Caribbean Region of 
the World Blind Union.  The essay contest, 
sponsored by Onkyo Corporation, a Japanese 
consumer electronics manufacturer, and the 
Braille Mainichi, part of the Mainichi Newspaper 
Company in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>Japan, was created to promote Braille literacy 
and to encourage the sharing of social and 
cultural information among blind and visually 
impaired persons.  Blind or visually impaired 
persons in the United States or Canada are eligible to apply.



  The essays must be written in Braille and must 
pertain either to how the individual gains 
knowledge or independence through Braille or to 
an individual concept about world peace from the 
viewpoint of persons with disabilities.  There 
will be two groups of competitors: a junior 
category for persons up to age twenty-five and a 
senior category for persons over age 
twenty-six.  Four cash prizes will be awarded at the end of the contest.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: ?We are very 
pleased to be a part of this important contest. 
There can be no doubt that the ability to read 
and write Braille competently and efficiently is 
the key to education, employment, and success for 
the blind.  Despite the undisputed value of 
Braille, however, only about 10 percent of blind 
children in the United States are learning 
it.  This contest will not only be a fun way for 
blind and visually-impaired persons to 
demonstrate the impact Braille has had on their 
lives but will also raise awareness of the 
importance of Braille literacy in every day applications.?



Administering the Onkyo Braille Literacy Essay 
Contest in the United States is a facet of the 
National Federation of the Blind?s ?Braille 
Readers are Leaders? campaign, a national 
initiative to promote the importance of reading 
and writing Braille for blind children and 
adults.  The Braille Readers are Leaders campaign 
kicked off in July of 2008 with the unveiling of 
the design of a commemorative coin to be minted 
in 2009 in recognition of the two-hundredth 
anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille 
(1809?1852), the inventor of the reading and 
writing code for the blind that bears his name.



The contest begins on February 1, 2009, and ends 
on April 30, 2009.  All entries must be received by April 30.



For more information about the Onkyo Braille 
Literacy Essay Contest, including application 
information, please contact Trisha Tatam by phone 
at (410) 659-9314, ext. 2510 or by e-mail at 
<mailto:ttatam at nfb.org>ttatam at nfb.org. For more 
about the National Federation of the Blind?s 
Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, please 
visit <http://www.braille.org/>www.braille.org.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind


With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people?s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the 
blind led by the blind.  Please visit our Web 
site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.





From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb  3 19:47:32 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:47:32 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks
In-Reply-To: <001901c983b0$7e469f10$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <001001c9831d$3c571500$b5053f00$@net>
	<001901c983b0$7e469f10$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <003b01c98638$414ee5b0$c3ecb110$@net>

Hi Debbie,
	I try to pick and choose which diabetic items I will purchase.  Some
are very expensive, so I try to stay away from those, but if I think they
are good enough, I spend the money.
	I guess when talking about sweet treats, you could say eat in
moderation, and when purchasing diabetic goods, spend in moderation. 

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:31 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks

question? where do ya get all the money to afford all this necessary 
diabetic stuff???
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:56 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Shoes and Socks


> Hi Folks,
>
>                The following title "Shoes and Socks" was carried in the
> Voice years back, and may supply you with information you could use.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Bryant
>
>
>
>
>
> Shoes and Socks
>
>
>
> Proper footwear is especially critical to prevention of diabetic foot
> problems.  Here are some tips on selecting the safest shoes and socks:
>
>
>
> .              Shoe fit - select shoes that fit from day one; don't expect
> them to "stretch." There should be plenty of room for toes.  Buy shoes 
> late
> in the day, when your feet enlarge somewhat.
>
>
>
> .              Shoe materials - avoid plastic and vinyl ("man-made") shoe
> materials.  Select leather shoes or the modern running or walking shoes.
> Shoe materials must "breathe" to ventilate your feet.
>
>
>
> .              Shoe style - never wear shoes with open toes or heels. 
> Don't
> wear sandals, especially those with thongs between the toes.
>
>
>
> .              Shoe Inspection - Make sure shoes have no torn linings. 
> Your
> doctor or podiatrist should inspect new shoes to confirm proper fit.
>
>
>
> .              Limit shoe wearing - don't wear shoes more than five hours 
> at
> a time, then change to another pair.
>
>
>
> .              Hosiery - always wear socks or stockings.  Avoid socks with
> seams, or those made of all-synthetic materials.  Cotton is best.
>
>
>
>
>
> You can wear wool socks in winter if they are non-irritating.  Change 
> socks
> daily, and inspect them before and after wearing them.  Don't wear any 
> socks
> with holes or mended areas that can irritate skin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Feb  7 22:34:44 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:34:44 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
Message-ID: <20090207223444.13518.93538@biff.serotek.com>

Hi folks,
this is my new email address, I hope you will collect it and keep me on 
your thoughts from time to time.
Now I was reading on the news line, about something I never thought of.
Using a U 3
 drive to keep all of your information on.
Then keeping it on a key chain.
I have a paper that I carry around, but that will mess up in time.
they said to put this in word, because all computers have some kind of word.
Then put information on a bracelet that you have a u 3 drive.
this would hold all medicines and any medical information that would 
help you out.
do any of you do this?
thanks,

-- 
--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From Blindhands at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 22:36:20 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:36:20 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
Message-ID: <cac.49d6e539.36bf66e4@aol.com>

That is a great idea.
 
Joyce
**************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)


From Blindhands at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 22:38:59 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:38:59 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>

I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  many 
folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be a 
loss to the blind and sighted community.
 
Joyce Kane 
**************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)


From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  8 00:14:07 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:14:07 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
References: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c98982$29aeb8c0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
please let me know
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


>I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  many
> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be 
> a
> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>
> Joyce Kane
> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sun Feb  8 02:11:16 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:11:16 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <001201c98982$29aeb8c0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
	<001201c98982$29aeb8c0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <20090208021116.k7uij@panix.com>

The publishing costs were spiraling out of control. I will give a more detailed explanation when I have more time (I'm at the National Center and will be at the Washington Seminar). I may have time tomorrow afternoon to write a longer message.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind

----- Original Message -----
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, Feb 7, 2009 16:35:59
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

>
>
> what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
> please let me know
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> 
> 
> >I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  many
> > folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be 
> > a
> > loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininGreat Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> > net/clkbb2115311322.330701242e)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Feb  8 03:19:09 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:19:09 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <20090208031909.13518.44537@biff.serotek.com>

I will keep reading,
why is this magazine stopping?
thanks,

-- 
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every sinner has a future

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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  8 04:23:48 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:23:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
References: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS2D3C52BEC079A5588E86EA1BF0@phx.gbl>

what are you talking about, did I miss something no more voice WHAT!
Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So 
> many
> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be 
> a
> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>
> Joyce Kane
> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> Diabetes-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
> 



From Blindhands at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 21:25:24 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:25:24 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <c22.550b31c4.36c0a7c4@aol.com>

Please listen to the February Presidential Release.  It is at the very  end 
of the release.
 
Joyce Kane  
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
bemailfooterNO62)


From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 00:17:46 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:17:46 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
References: <c22.550b31c4.36c0a7c4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c98a4b$d6a13840$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

where would u get the Feburary Presidental Release?
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> Please listen to the February Presidential Release.  It is at the very 
> end
> of the release.
>
> Joyce Kane
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
> bemailfooterNO62)
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  9 00:35:25 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:35:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <c22.550b31c4.36c0a7c4@aol.com>
	<002d01c98a4b$d6a13840$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <c22.550b31c4.36c0a7c4@aol.com>
	<002d01c98a4b$d6a13840$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS79066A752570C437808A0A1BC0@phx.gbl>

if you do not go to chapter meetings you can got to NFB.org

Here is the link

http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Presidential_Releases.asp

to to title 2009 and go to the february release.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> where would u get the Feburary Presidental Release?
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>
> > Please listen to the February Presidential Release.  It is at the very
> > end
> > of the release.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> > easy
> > steps!
> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
> > bemailfooterNO62)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
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> 



From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb  9 01:23:06 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:23:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <002d01c98a4b$d6a13840$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <c22.550b31c4.36c0a7c4@aol.com>
	<002d01c98a4b$d6a13840$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <20090209012306.k7uij@panix.com>

Go to http://www.nfb.org and put the word "releases" in the search box at the top of the page. The first search result is a link to the presidential releases.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, Feb 8, 2009 19:28:32
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

>
>
> where would u get the Feburary Presidental Release?
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> 
> 
> > Please listen to the February Presidential Release.  It is at the very 
> > end
> > of the release.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininA Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> > easy
> > steps!
> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
> > bemailfooterNO62)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net 
> 
> 
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From bandbjacobs at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 03:17:28 2009
From: bandbjacobs at verizon.net (The Jacobs' Family)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Voice."
References: <mailman.21.1234116002.24125.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <002c01c98a64$f03be6b0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>

I understand that we need to cut back.  Cutting back everywhere.  However, 
one thing I will never understand is why we really needed a staff of five 
editors for this magazine anyway when we've had just one editor for the last 
20-some years.  The "Braille Monitor" only has one editor and she does a 
fine job too and has done so for many, many years!!She's a very dear, 
intelligent, and wonderful Christian woman to boot!!Can't get much better 
than Barbara Pierce folks!!

Bern
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4


> Send Diabetes-talk mailing list submissions to
> diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>
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>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
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>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Diabetes-talk digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. U 3 drive (d m gina)
>   2. Re: U 3 drive (Blindhands at aol.com)
>   3. Voice (Blindhands at aol.com)
>   4. Re: Voice (catdancing)
>   5. Re: Voice (Mike Freeman)
>   6. Re: Voice (d m gina)
>   7. Re: Voice (cheryl echevarria)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:34:44 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090207223444.13518.93538 at biff.serotek.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Hi folks,
> this is my new email address, I hope you will collect it and keep me on
> your thoughts from time to time.
> Now I was reading on the news line, about something I never thought of.
> Using a U 3
> drive to keep all of your information on.
> Then keeping it on a key chain.
> I have a paper that I carry around, but that will mess up in time.
> they said to put this in word, because all computers have some kind of 
> word.
> Then put information on a bracelet that you have a u 3 drive.
> this would hold all medicines and any medical information that would
> help you out.
> do any of you do this?
> thanks,
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:36:20 EST
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <cac.49d6e539.36bf66e4 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> That is a great idea.
>
> Joyce
> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:38:59 EST
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So 
> many
> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be 
> a
> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>
> Joyce Kane
> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:14:07 -0600
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001201c98982$29aeb8c0$0202a8c0 at VALUED664B84C7>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
> please let me know
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>
>>I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So 
>>many
>> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will 
>> be
>> a
>> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
>> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:11:16 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090208021116.k7uij at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> The publishing costs were spiraling out of control. I will give a more 
> detailed explanation when I have more time (I'm at the National Center and 
> will be at the Washington Seminar). I may have time tomorrow afternoon to 
> write a longer message.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, Feb 7, 2009 16:35:59
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>>
>>
>> what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
>> please let me know
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>>
>>
>> >I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So 
>> >many
>> > folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will 
>> > be
>> > a
>> > loss to the blind and sighted community.
>> >
>> > Joyce Kane
>> > ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininGreat Deals on 
>> > Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
>> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
>> > net/clkbb2115311322.330701242e)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > Diabetes-talk:
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> Diabetes-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:19:09 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090208031909.13518.44537 at biff.serotek.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> I will keep reading,
> why is this magazine stopping?
> thanks,
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:23:48 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS2D3C52BEC079A5588E86EA1BF0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> what are you talking about, did I miss something no more voice WHAT!
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:38 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>
>> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
>> many
>> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will 
>> be
>> a
>> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
>> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>
>
> End of Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
> ******************************************** 




From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Feb  9 03:36:33 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <20090209033633.14763.41583@biff.serotek.com>

Mike,
I was asking Jim if by chance we could down load this and read it on 
our voice sense.
One of the places you can get books?
thanks,

-- 
--Dar
every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  9 10:04:08 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:04:08 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Voice."
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1234116002.24125.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<002c01c98a64$f03be6b0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>
References: <mailman.21.1234116002.24125.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<002c01c98a64$f03be6b0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS12303750EB9CD8799947AA1BC0@phx.gbl>

That is the braille monitor,

Ed Bryant was the editor and now it is elizabeth lunt.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] "Voice."


> I understand that we need to cut back.  Cutting back everywhere.  However,
> one thing I will never understand is why we really needed a staff of five
> editors for this magazine anyway when we've had just one editor for the 
> last
> 20-some years.  The "Braille Monitor" only has one editor and she does a
> fine job too and has done so for many, many years!!She's a very dear,
> intelligent, and wonderful Christian woman to boot!!Can't get much better
> than Barbara Pierce folks!!
>
> Bern
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:00 PM
> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
>
>
> > Send Diabetes-talk mailing list submissions to
> > diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > diabetes-talk-owner at nfbnet.org
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Diabetes-talk digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. U 3 drive (d m gina)
> >   2. Re: U 3 drive (Blindhands at aol.com)
> >   3. Voice (Blindhands at aol.com)
> >   4. Re: Voice (catdancing)
> >   5. Re: Voice (Mike Freeman)
> >   6. Re: Voice (d m gina)
> >   7. Re: Voice (cheryl echevarria)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:34:44 -0500
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Message-ID: <20090207223444.13518.93538 at biff.serotek.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > this is my new email address, I hope you will collect it and keep me on
> > your thoughts from time to time.
> > Now I was reading on the news line, about something I never thought of.
> > Using a U 3
> > drive to keep all of your information on.
> > Then keeping it on a key chain.
> > I have a paper that I carry around, but that will mess up in time.
> > they said to put this in word, because all computers have some kind of
> > word.
> > Then put information on a bracelet that you have a u 3 drive.
> > this would hold all medicines and any medical information that would
> > help you out.
> > do any of you do this?
> > thanks,
> >
> > -- 
> > --Dar
> > every saint has a past
> > every sinner has a future
> >
> > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:36:20 EST
> > From: Blindhands at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Message-ID: <cac.49d6e539.36bf66e4 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > That is a great idea.
> >
> > Joyce
> > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> > net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:38:59 EST
> > From: Blindhands at aol.com
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Message-ID: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
> > many
> > folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will 
> > be
> > a
> > loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> > net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:14:07 -0600
> > From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> > To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <001201c98982$29aeb8c0$0202a8c0 at VALUED664B84C7>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
> > please let me know
> > Debbie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> > To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> >
> >>I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
> >>many
> >> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will
> >> be
> >> a
> >> loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >>
> >> Joyce Kane
> >> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> >> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> Diabetes-talk:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:11:16 -0800
> > From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Message-ID: <20090208021116.k7uij at panix.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > The publishing costs were spiraling out of control. I will give a more
> > detailed explanation when I have more time (I'm at the National Center 
> > and
> > will be at the Washington Seminar). I may have time tomorrow afternoon 
> > to
> > write a longer message.
> >
> > Mike Freeman, President
> > Diabetes Action Network
> > National Federation of the Blind
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Saturday, Feb 7, 2009 16:35:59
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
> >> please let me know
> >> Debbie
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> >> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
> >> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >>
> >>
> >> >I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
> >> >many
> >> > folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It 
> >> > will
> >> > be
> >> > a
> >> > loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >> >
> >> > Joyce Kane
> >> > ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininGreat Deals 
> >> > on
> >> > Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> >> > net/clkbb2115311322.330701242e)
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> > Diabetes-talk:
> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> Diabetes-talk:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:19:09 -0500
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Message-ID: <20090208031909.13518.44537 at biff.serotek.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> >
> > I will keep reading,
> > why is this magazine stopping?
> > thanks,
> >
> > -- 
> > --Dar
> > every saint has a past
> > every sinner has a future
> >
> > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:23:48 -0500
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> > To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Message-ID: <BAY131-DS2D3C52BEC079A5588E86EA1BF0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > what are you talking about, did I miss something no more voice WHAT!
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> > To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:38 PM
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> >
> >> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
> >> many
> >> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will
> >> be
> >> a
> >> loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >>
> >> Joyce Kane
> >> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.
> >> net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> Diabetes-talk:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >
> >
> > End of Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
> > ********************************************
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> Diabetes-talk:
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> 



From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb  9 11:39:26 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:39:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <20090209033633.14763.41583@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090209033633.14763.41583@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090209113926.k7uij@panix.com>

Dar:

Absolutely! That's how I got it.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, Feb 8, 2009 22:57:02
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

>
>
> Mike,
> I was asking Jim if by chance we could down load this and read it on 
> our voice sense.
> One of the places you can get books?
> thanks,
> 
> -- 
> -comDar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
> 
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Diabetes-talk:
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Mon Feb  9 13:44:53 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <20090209012306.k7uij@panix.com>
References: <c22.550b31c4.36c0a7c4@aol.com><002d01c98a4b$d6a13840$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
	<20090209012306.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <2B35DF6898FE4C86BF4C9B053973B272@DianePC>

Mike,
Did you get the e-mail I sent to you and Ed and Dr. Maurer about doing the 
Voice electronically?
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> Go to http://www.nfb.org and put the word "releases" in the search box at 
> the top of the page. The first search result is a link to the presidential 
> releases.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, Feb 8, 2009 19:28:32
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>>
>>
>> where would u get the Feburary Presidental Release?
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>>
>>
>> > Please listen to the February Presidential Release.  It is at the very
>> > end
>> > of the release.
>> >
>> > Joyce Kane
>> > ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininA Good Credit 
>> > Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
>> > easy
>> > steps!
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Feb  9 15:47:51 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:47:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <20090209154751.12928.69095@biff.serotek.com>

Can you get this from the NLS books?
I have a set up there.
Or do you go to book share?
those are the two places I have set up.
Thanks,

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Feb  9 15:54:04 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <20090209155404.12928.64050@biff.serotek.com>

this is where you can down load, or read the reason why this is being stopped
Confused Dar.
I will check this out.
Of course I would want to down load it on my voice sense not the computer.
So I will have to learn how to do this when it comes to the computer first.

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From Blindhands at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 17:07:30 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:07:30 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <cf9.4ed337cb.36c1bcd2@aol.com>

I may be wrong, but I think you can listen to it without downloading it to  
your computer.  
 
Mike, is that correct?
 
Joyce
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From Blindhands at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 18:17:27 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:17:27 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
Message-ID: <cb7.492e4917.36c1cd37@aol.com>

Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up  there 
throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least  consider 
another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
 
NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of  Representative  
members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" our 
opinion and thoughts on this?
 
The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we are  
encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
 
I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do we  
need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are some  of 
the reasons that caused the price  to soar.  
 
I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been  
concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this  publication and the 
NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is over 
three hundred thousand .
 
 Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  will 
there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ? 
 
Joyce 
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  9 22:27:14 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:27:14 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
In-Reply-To: <cb7.492e4917.36c1cd37@aol.com>
References: <cb7.492e4917.36c1cd37@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS5F02D1AD3BDA057DF0C87A1BC0@phx.gbl>

We need to do something to keep it going, and mostly they are going out to 
the doctors and providers.

Do we need that many copies to be sent?

So we cut back for awhile. what abou the places that we do delivery to or 
circulate, can we charge a fee.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up 
> there
> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least 
> consider
> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>
> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
> Representative
> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" 
> our
> opinion and thoughts on this?
>
> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we 
> are
> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>
> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do we
> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are some 
> of
> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>
> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this 
> publication and the
> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is 
> over
> three hundred thousand .
>
>  Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  will
> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>
> Joyce
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
> bemailfooterNO62)
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From boo.lunt at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 22:49:18 2009
From: boo.lunt at verizon.net (Elizabeth Lunt )
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:49:18 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
In-Reply-To: <cb7.492e4917.36c1cd37@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KET00JM6M270426@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

Hello All,
I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the Diabetic
has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is coming
from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs were
controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. However, it
simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation for
Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very
popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high. Gathering
the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, and
writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time, as
well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for accessible
diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded into the
duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We
did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited or no
vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr. Maurer
made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding the
project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on this
publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
All the best,
Elizabeth Lunt
Editor, Voice of the Diabetic

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?

Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up  there 
throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
consider 
another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
 
NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of  Representative

members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" our 
opinion and thoughts on this?
 
The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we are

encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
 
I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do we  
need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are some
of 
the reasons that caused the price  to soar.  
 
I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been  
concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this  publication
and the 
NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is
over 
three hundred thousand .
 
 Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  will 
there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ? 
 
Joyce 
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=htt
p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
bemailfooterNO62)
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From clevelandann at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 23:02:28 2009
From: clevelandann at sbcglobal.net (Ann Williams)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Voice."
In-Reply-To: <002c01c98a64$f03be6b0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>
References: <002c01c98a64$f03be6b0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>
Message-ID: <4990B604.5010500@sbcglobal.net>

Bern wrote:

"...One thing I will never understand is why we really needed a staff of five 
editors for this magazine anyway when we've had just one editor for the last 
20-some years." 

Bern, for about a year I have been listed as a "contributing editor."   This does not mean that I have been paid staff.  I have written for the Voice since 2002 because I think it has been a great publication that met a real need, different from any other diabetes publication.  I was never paid anything for my work on the Voice.  Listing me as a "Contributing Editor" was a lovely gesture from the NFB  to acknowledge my work, and I was glad to accept the acknowledgment.

I am also very sad about the Voice not being published.  Both Ed Bryant and Elizabeth Lunt made very substantial contributions as editors, and Eileen Rivera Ley worked diligently to keep it going.  I believe it was the costs of publication and the economic downturn that caused its demise.

Ann Williams, PhD, RN, CDE




From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Feb  9 23:27:43 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] "Voice."
Message-ID: <20090209232743.12928.5492@biff.serotek.com>

Ann,
I want to thank you for doing such a swell job with articles.
I didn't read them all, but what I did read I enjoyed the whole magazine.
there is so much information that I can't keep up with it all.
Nor remember it all either.
But that was ok, my health is much better doing the things I can 
remember, and most of all take good care of myself.
thanks again.

-- 
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From invite+plfohdi1 at facebookmail.com  Mon Feb  9 23:45:40 2009
From: invite+plfohdi1 at facebookmail.com (Daniel Strube)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:45:40 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Check out my Facebook profile
Message-ID: <7d1cf349cf73c620e6556a79cb22c0c1@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Diabetes-talk,

I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile.

Thanks,
Daniel

To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below:
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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 03:58:28 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
References: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
Message-ID: <51E8516CD31F42D4B207A23C79AF3FBA@SuperMaddox>

Hi Joyce and all,
I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of copies
being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were reading
the Voice. 

It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB now
that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes to
fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these cutbacks
impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not mean
the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
NFB. 

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  many
folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be a
loss to the blind and sighted community.
 
Joyce Kane
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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 04:09:20 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:09:20 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
In-Reply-To: <20090207223444.13518.93538@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090207223444.13518.93538@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <14C898992DEC47E9918C1DE26174A90D@SuperMaddox>

Hello Dar,
I'm not sure this is the best way to keep your medical records. Suppose that
you have to call 911 for one reason or another. It is highly unlikely that
the paramedics that come to our house to administer any medical aid will be
able to access the thumb drive. Furthermore, if you should need to be taken
to the hospital via an ambulance, it is also highly unlikely that the
ambulance attendants will have the technology that is required to access the
thumb drive. 

Recently, I had to be taken to the hospital due to severe dehydration, a
blood sugar reading that was off the scale and a critically high potassium
level. It was all due to my having both an upper respiratory infection and
then the flu. I had not been eating and drinking like I normally would and
that led me down the dangerous path of becoming dehydrated. I'm still not
quite sure why my blood sugar shot so high as my readings were normal during
the days before this all happened.

As it turned out, I had diabetic keto-acidosis and that along with
everything else caused me to be in the critical care unit of our local
hospital. Due to all of this stuff going  on, my heart was not beating
normally, in large part due to the high potassium level, my blood pressure
had gotten dangerously low (due to the dehydration  among other things), and
I felt as worse as I have ever have in my life. I have never had diabetic
keto acidosis in 34 years of being a diabetic, so, did not know what to
expect.

Anyway, during the entire time the paramedics were at our house, they did
not have the ability of taking down any of the medications I take on a
regular basis using any other means than old fashioned pen and paper. I even
found that I had to repeat everything again when I arrived in the emergency
room even though I could barely talk due to being so dehydrated. It would
have been cool if they had the technology to take a thumb drive, plug it
into a computer and just take the info right off of it. But in reality,,
they did not. So I think that until we reach such a time where this is the
norm, you might as well as stick to the old fashioned way of using pen and
paper, or in our case, printer and paper,  and keeping your medical info on
the fridge where it can be accessed quickly. 


JMHO,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:35 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive

Hi folks,
this is my new email address, I hope you will collect it and keep me on your
thoughts from time to time.
Now I was reading on the news line, about something I never thought of.
Using a U 3
 drive to keep all of your information on.
Then keeping it on a key chain.
I have a paper that I carry around, but that will mess up in time.
they said to put this in word, because all computers have some kind of word.
Then put information on a bracelet that you have a u 3 drive.
this would hold all medicines and any medical information that would help
you out.
do any of you do this?
thanks,

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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 04:10:57 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <20090208021116.k7uij@panix.com>
References: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com><001201c98982$29aeb8c0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
	<20090208021116.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <74FD99CA28CA43E6B4BF85AE56EC45F4@SuperMaddox>

Thanks Mike, inquiring minds really want to know. My chapter has several
diabetics who I know read the Voice. So, this will be useful info going
forward.

Dave


Dave
 

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:11 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

The publishing costs were spiraling out of control. I will give a more
detailed explanation when I have more time (I'm at the National Center and
will be at the Washington Seminar). I may have time tomorrow afternoon to
write a longer message.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind

----- Original Message -----
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, Feb 7, 2009 16:35:59
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

>
>
> what happened to Voice of the Diabetic?
> please let me know
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> 
> 
> >I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  
> >many  folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  
> >It will  be  a  loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininGreat Deals on
Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> >
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=htt
p://ad.doubleclick.
> > net/clkbb2115311322.330701242e)
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Feb 10 04:32:57 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:32:57 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <51E8516CD31F42D4B207A23C79AF3FBA@SuperMaddox>
References: <c35.50ccd4c9.36bf6783@aol.com>
	<51E8516CD31F42D4B207A23C79AF3FBA@SuperMaddox>
Message-ID: <20090210043257.k7uij@panix.com>

David et also:

I really don't want to get into this on-list. But the circulation figures are in dispute. Dr. Maurer is not convinced we were getting maximum bang for our bucks.

I'd say you should write to him with your concerns. You may write to:

OfficeOfThePresident at nfb.org

I'm certain he'll answer.

Insofar as it is in my power, NFB will still be there for all of us.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, Feb 9, 2009 23:17:24
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

>
>
> Hi Joyce and all,
> I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of copies
> being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were reading
> the Voice. 
> 
> It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB now
> that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes to
> fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these cutbacks
> impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
> message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not mean
> the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
> NFB. 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> 
> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  many
> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be a
> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>  
> Joyce Kane
> ininininininininininininininininininininininininininininGreat Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Feb 10 05:03:01 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:03:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
Message-ID: <20090210050301.30572.42128@biff.serotek.com>

Hi there,
I read about this in the I thought August
Or it could have been later.
I thought it was a wonderful idea.
I don't have information on my fridge at all.
Just a case where I take my medicine from.
Except for the meter and the pin.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I am so sorry you were so sick.
issue.

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From joyce.m.porter at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 09:51:58 2009
From: joyce.m.porter at verizon.net (Joyce Porter)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:51:58 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <51E8516CD31F42D4B207A23C79AF3FBA@SuperMaddox>
Message-ID: <0KEU003Y3GMH43I3@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

I couldn't agree more.  I believe other cuts could have been made and the
"Voice" could have been left alone.  I'm afraid our support system is
beginning to collapse.  At work our diabetes educator has recommended the
"Voice to her patients.  I sure hate to tell her that it is gone.
Joyce


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Anspach
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

Hi Joyce and all,
I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of copies
being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were reading
the Voice. 

It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB now
that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes to
fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these cutbacks
impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not mean
the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
NFB. 

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So  many
folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be a
loss to the blind and sighted community.
 
Joyce Kane
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Feb 10 16:12:37 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:12:37 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <20090210161237.15377.82409@biff.serotek.com>

Hi there,
If we can still down load to read, I am unsure of why there is a problem.
You would think that the hospitals and other agencies would get this on 
their own for the patients.
That it is for the blind to down load.
I understand that many persons might not have computers,
but wondering if the libraries would have a version of the magazine.
Just some thoughts.

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From Blindhands at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 16:26:08 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:26:08 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice a done deal
Message-ID: <c15.339fff4b.36c304a0@aol.com>

>From what I have been told by the editor of the Voice the final issue of  the 
Voice was the December issue.  DAN will continue being a division of  the NFB.
 
Mike does not feel that this should be discussed on the list, but I don't  
know where else to discuss this.
 
Joyce
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From etscrivani at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 16:15:28 2009
From: etscrivani at verizon.net (Eileen Scrivani)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
In-Reply-To: <0KEU003Y3GMH43I3@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KEU003Y3GMH43I3@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <0BF5EA160174483383DA29F7F0B4F5FD@eileenPC>

Why can't the voice of the Diabetic be produced in a down-loadable format 
that would save on both printing & paper costs in addition to the costs for 
audio dubbing/recording equipment and cassettes?  If a master copy was made 
available on a web site & with today's technology, both text & audio 
versions could be easily down-loaded to computers.  From there they could be 
read with the use of screen reading software, magnification software, or 
simply copied onto a CD and played on a boom box.  Who doesn't own a CD 
Player these days?  Also with NLS moving to the digital down-loadable 
talking books format blind people will be equipped with players that would 
allow them to read these files.

I think there is some good & useful info that comes from the voice.  It 
would be a shame if a newly blinded diabetic could not get the information 
they need.  Doctor's certainly don't know the blindness aspect of diabetes 
well.  In fact, in December, I was at my Doc's and they were asking me what 
the options are for talking/accessible meters!

By the way, out of noseyocity, what percentage of the NFB membership is the 
diabetic population?  I would think pretty high?  Just guessing, but am 
interested to know.

Eileen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Porter" <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


>I couldn't agree more.  I believe other cuts could have been made and the
> "Voice" could have been left alone.  I'm afraid our support system is
> beginning to collapse.  At work our diabetes educator has recommended the
> "Voice to her patients.  I sure hate to tell her that it is gone.
> Joyce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Anspach
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
> Hi Joyce and all,
> I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of copies
> being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were 
> reading
> the Voice.
>
> It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB 
> now
> that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes to
> fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these cutbacks
> impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
> message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not 
> mean
> the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
> NFB.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So 
> many
> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be 
> a
> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>
> Joyce Kane
> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=htt
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 10 17:11:25 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:11:25 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
References: <0KET00JM6M270426@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <001901c98ba6$d5d0e940$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to the 
disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. The 
Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because it is 
helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit from it.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Hello All,
> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the Diabetic
> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is coming
> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs were
> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. However, it
> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation for
> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very
> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high. 
> Gathering
> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, and
> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time, as
> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for accessible
> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded into 
> the
> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. 
> We
> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited or 
> no
> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr. 
> Maurer
> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding the
> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on this
> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
> All the best,
> Elizabeth Lunt
> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up 
> there
> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
> consider
> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>
> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
> Representative
>
> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" 
> our
> opinion and thoughts on this?
>
> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we 
> are
>
> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>
> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do we
> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are some
> of
> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>
> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this 
> publication
> and the
> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is
> over
> three hundred thousand .
>
> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  will
> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>
> Joyce
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> easy
> steps!
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From etscrivani at verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 18:10:23 2009
From: etscrivani at verizon.net (Eileen Scrivani)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:10:23 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
In-Reply-To: <001901c98ba6$d5d0e940$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <0KET00JM6M270426@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<001901c98ba6$d5d0e940$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <8254B5D41BA5499EB9C272514A1F7BE3@eileenPC>

Debbie:

This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are blind 
are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a 
subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other 
medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a subscription 
fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are blind 
and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go to 
medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I think 
not.

And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?  Isn't 
the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has changed 
somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the blind/vi 
community to trying to attract sighted readers?

Eileen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to the 
> disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. The 
> Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because it 
> is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit from 
> it.
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Hello All,
>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the 
>> Diabetic
>> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is coming
>> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs were
>> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. However, 
>> it
>> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation 
>> for
>> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was 
>> very
>> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high. 
>> Gathering
>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, and
>> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time, as
>> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for accessible
>> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
>> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
>> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded into 
>> the
>> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. 
>> We
>> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited or 
>> no
>> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr. 
>> Maurer
>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding the
>> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on this
>> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
>> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>> All the best,
>> Elizabeth Lunt
>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up 
>> there
>> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
>> consider
>> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>>
>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
>> Representative
>>
>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" 
>> our
>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>
>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we 
>> are
>>
>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>
>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do we
>> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are 
>> some
>> of
>> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>
>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
>> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this 
>> publication
>> and the
>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is
>> over
>> three hundred thousand .
>>
>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  will
>> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>
>> Joyce
>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
>> easy
>> steps!
>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=htt
>> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
>> bemailfooterNO62)
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From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb 10 21:18:15 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:18:15 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive
In-Reply-To: <20090207223444.13518.93538@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090207223444.13518.93538@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <003901c98bc5$169a02e0$43ce08a0$@net>

Hi Dar, 
	THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA!

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:35 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] U 3 drive

Hi folks,
this is my new email address, I hope you will collect it and keep me on 
your thoughts from time to time.
Now I was reading on the news line, about something I never thought of.
Using a U 3
 drive to keep all of your information on.
Then keeping it on a key chain.
I have a paper that I carry around, but that will mess up in time.
they said to put this in word, because all computers have some kind of word.
Then put information on a bracelet that you have a u 3 drive.
this would hold all medicines and any medical information that would 
help you out.
do any of you do this?
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From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb 10 22:01:46 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:01:46 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
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Hi Eileen,
	I would not think it overly difficult to download the Voice from a
website...  Also, the NFB might consider doing the Voice on audiocassette at
the normal speed of 1 and 7/8 IPS.  It would be extremely more cost
effective to produce and anyone sighted or blind could read (listen) to the
Voice.   
	There may be folks while driving their vehicles to work or wherever
would be enlightened by listening to the Voice.
	I suggest you send your inquiries to Dr. Marc Maurer at
OfficeOfThePresident at nfb.org.

Regards,
Ed Bryant
-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:15 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

Why can't the voice of the Diabetic be produced in a down-loadable format 
that would save on both printing & paper costs in addition to the costs for 
audio dubbing/recording equipment and cassettes?  If a master copy was made 
available on a web site & with today's technology, both text & audio 
versions could be easily down-loaded to computers.  From there they could be

read with the use of screen reading software, magnification software, or 
simply copied onto a CD and played on a boom box.  Who doesn't own a CD 
Player these days?  Also with NLS moving to the digital down-loadable 
talking books format blind people will be equipped with players that would 
allow them to read these files.

I think there is some good & useful info that comes from the voice.  It 
would be a shame if a newly blinded diabetic could not get the information 
they need.  Doctor's certainly don't know the blindness aspect of diabetes 
well.  In fact, in December, I was at my Doc's and they were asking me what 
the options are for talking/accessible meters!

By the way, out of noseyocity, what percentage of the NFB membership is the 
diabetic population?  I would think pretty high?  Just guessing, but am 
interested to know.

Eileen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Porter" <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


>I couldn't agree more.  I believe other cuts could have been made and the
> "Voice" could have been left alone.  I'm afraid our support system is
> beginning to collapse.  At work our diabetes educator has recommended the
> "Voice to her patients.  I sure hate to tell her that it is gone.
> Joyce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Anspach
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
> Hi Joyce and all,
> I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of copies
> being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were 
> reading
> the Voice.
>
> It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB 
> now
> that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes to
> fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these cutbacks
> impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
> message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not 
> mean
> the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
> NFB.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So 
> many
> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will  be

> a
> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>
> Joyce Kane
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 22:33:49 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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I found out about DAN through the voice at my dialysis center, and that is 
how I found out about the NFB, if they want more members, you have to have 
it out there.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Debbie:
>
> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are blind
> are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a
> subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other
> medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a subscription
> fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are blind
> and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go to
> medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I think
> not.
>
> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?  Isn't
> the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has changed
> somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the blind/vi
> community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>
> Eileen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
> > this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to the
> > disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. The
> > Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because 
> > it
> > is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit from
> > it.
> > Debbie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
> >> Diabetic
> >> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is coming
> >> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs were
> >> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. However,
> >> it
> >> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation
> >> for
> >> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was
> >> very
> >> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
> >> Gathering
> >> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, 
> >> and
> >> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time, 
> >> as
> >> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for 
> >> accessible
> >> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
> >> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
> >> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded into
> >> the
> >> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let 
> >> go.
> >> We
> >> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
> >> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited 
> >> or
> >> no
> >> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
> >> Maurer
> >> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding 
> >> the
> >> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
> >> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on 
> >> this
> >> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
> >> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
> >> All the best,
> >> Elizabeth Lunt
> >> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> Blindhands at aol.com
> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
> >> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>
> >> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
> >> there
> >> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
> >> consider
> >> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
> >>
> >> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
> >> Representative
> >>
> >> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice"
> >> our
> >> opinion and thoughts on this?
> >>
> >> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we
> >> are
> >>
> >> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
> >>
> >> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do 
> >> we
> >> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are
> >> some
> >> of
> >> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
> >>
> >> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
> >> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
> >> publication
> >> and the
> >> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
> >> is
> >> over
> >> three hundred thousand .
> >>
> >> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and 
> >> will
> >> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> >> easy
> >> steps!
> >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=htt
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> >> bemailfooterNO62)
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> >>
> >>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Feb 10 22:44:48 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:44:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
Message-ID: <20090210224448.15520.82236@biff.serotek.com>

I have learned so much from what I have read, I just wish I could 
remember it all.
But this would be one magazine I would read by my voice sense or computer.
I do hope the magazine keeps growing.
No matter if we don't get the print version.

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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 10 23:45:42 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:45:42 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Eileen
All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of 
anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the voice 
in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
oh well!
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Debbie:
>
> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are blind 
> are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a 
> subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other 
> medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a subscription 
> fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are blind 
> and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go to 
> medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I think 
> not.
>
> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?  Isn't 
> the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has changed 
> somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the blind/vi 
> community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>
> Eileen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to the 
>> disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. The 
>> Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because it 
>> is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit from 
>> it.
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the 
>>> Diabetic
>>> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is coming
>>> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs were
>>> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. However, 
>>> it
>>> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation 
>>> for
>>> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was 
>>> very
>>> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high. 
>>> Gathering
>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, 
>>> and
>>> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time, 
>>> as
>>> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for 
>>> accessible
>>> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
>>> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
>>> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded into 
>>> the
>>> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let 
>>> go. We
>>> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited or 
>>> no
>>> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr. 
>>> Maurer
>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding the
>>> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on 
>>> this
>>> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
>>> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>> All the best,
>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up 
>>> there
>>> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
>>> consider
>>> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>>>
>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
>>> Representative
>>>
>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" 
>>> our
>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we 
>>> are
>>>
>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>>
>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do 
>>> we
>>> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are 
>>> some
>>> of
>>> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>>
>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
>>> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this 
>>> publication
>>> and the
>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is
>>> over
>>> three hundred thousand .
>>>
>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  will
>>> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
>>> easy
>>> steps!
>>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=htt
>>> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
>>> bemailfooterNO62)
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/editor%40nfb.
>>> org
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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From etscrivani at verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 00:01:33 2009
From: etscrivani at verizon.net (Eileen Scrivani)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Sheryl:

I'm not saying to not send it to medical professionals, just that I think 
it's fair to have them pay for the subscription.  More than likely, they can 
even write it off as either a business expense or charitable contribution. 
And then to, if it was in a down-loadable version they could print it out or 
copy onto CD for those patients who would find it helpful.  I only raised 
the question because the negative amount quoted was so huge, and I am 
wondering how it got so out of control!

Eileen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


>I found out about DAN through the voice at my dialysis center, and that is 
>how I found out about the NFB, if they want more members, you have to have 
>it out there.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Debbie:
>>
>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are blind
>> are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a
>> subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other
>> medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a subscription
>> fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are blind
>> and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go to
>> medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I think
>> not.
>>
>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?  Isn't
>> the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has changed
>> somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the blind/vi
>> community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>> > this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to 
>> > the
>> > disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. 
>> > The
>> > Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because 
>> > it
>> > is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit from
>> > it.
>> > Debbie
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello All,
>> >> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>> >> Diabetic
>> >> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is 
>> >> coming
>> >> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs 
>> >> were
>> >> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. 
>> >> However,
>> >> it
>> >> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation
>> >> for
>> >> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was
>> >> very
>> >> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>> >> Gathering
>> >> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, 
>> >> and
>> >> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time, 
>> >> as
>> >> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for 
>> >> accessible
>> >> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
>> >> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
>> >> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded 
>> >> into
>> >> the
>> >> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let 
>> >> go.
>> >> We
>> >> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>> >> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited 
>> >> or
>> >> no
>> >> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>> >> Maurer
>> >> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding 
>> >> the
>> >> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>> >> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on 
>> >> this
>> >> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
>> >> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Elizabeth Lunt
>> >> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >> Blindhands at aol.com
>> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>> >> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>
>> >> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
>> >> there
>> >> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
>> >> consider
>> >> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>> >>
>> >> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>> >> Representative
>> >>
>> >> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to 
>> >> "Voice"
>> >> our
>> >> opinion and thoughts on this?
>> >>
>> >> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why 
>> >> we
>> >> are
>> >>
>> >> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>> >>
>> >> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do 
>> >> we
>> >> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are
>> >> some
>> >> of
>> >> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>> >>
>> >> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
>> >> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
>> >> publication
>> >> and the
>> >> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
>> >> is
>> >> over
>> >> three hundred thousand .
>> >>
>> >> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and 
>> >> will
>> >> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>> >>
>> >> Joyce
>> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
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From etscrivani at verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 00:06:34 2009
From: etscrivani at verizon.net (Eileen Scrivani)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:06:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] [SPAM] Re:  Voice
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Hey Ed:

Yes, thanks.  I will send my thoughts to Mark.  Personally, I much rather 
have materials in either a .Txt format or an MP3 type file that I can listen 
to on any number of small & portable devices.  I also like the ability to 
navigate some files quickly and get right to those items that most interest 
me.  Thanks.

Eileen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> Hi Eileen,
> I would not think it overly difficult to download the Voice from a
> website...  Also, the NFB might consider doing the Voice on audiocassette 
> at
> the normal speed of 1 and 7/8 IPS.  It would be extremely more cost
> effective to produce and anyone sighted or blind could read (listen) to 
> the
> Voice.
> There may be folks while driving their vehicles to work or wherever
> would be enlightened by listening to the Voice.
> I suggest you send your inquiries to Dr. Marc Maurer at
> OfficeOfThePresident at nfb.org.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Bryant
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:15 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
> Why can't the voice of the Diabetic be produced in a down-loadable format
> that would save on both printing & paper costs in addition to the costs 
> for
> audio dubbing/recording equipment and cassettes?  If a master copy was 
> made
> available on a web site & with today's technology, both text & audio
> versions could be easily down-loaded to computers.  From there they could 
> be
>
> read with the use of screen reading software, magnification software, or
> simply copied onto a CD and played on a boom box.  Who doesn't own a CD
> Player these days?  Also with NLS moving to the digital down-loadable
> talking books format blind people will be equipped with players that would
> allow them to read these files.
>
> I think there is some good & useful info that comes from the voice.  It
> would be a shame if a newly blinded diabetic could not get the information
> they need.  Doctor's certainly don't know the blindness aspect of diabetes
> well.  In fact, in December, I was at my Doc's and they were asking me 
> what
> the options are for talking/accessible meters!
>
> By the way, out of noseyocity, what percentage of the NFB membership is 
> the
> diabetic population?  I would think pretty high?  Just guessing, but am
> interested to know.
>
> Eileen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joyce Porter" <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>
>>I couldn't agree more.  I believe other cuts could have been made and the
>> "Voice" could have been left alone.  I'm afraid our support system is
>> beginning to collapse.  At work our diabetes educator has recommended the
>> "Voice to her patients.  I sure hate to tell her that it is gone.
>> Joyce
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Anspach
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>>
>> Hi Joyce and all,
>> I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of 
>> copies
>> being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were
>> reading
>> the Voice.
>>
>> It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB
>> now
>> that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes to
>> fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these 
>> cutbacks
>> impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
>> message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not
>> mean
>> the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
>> NFB.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blindhands at aol.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>>
>> I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
>> many
>> folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will 
>> be
>
>> a
>> loss to the blind and sighted community.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 02:34:24 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Hi Debbie,
My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was surprised to
find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida had copies of the
Voice. They were very pleased with the publication and at the time, made
sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or, was needing any info
regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice. 

So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession not
wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them a few
extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be towards the
medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all why you feel as
you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why. 

I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been very
happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just make a buck.
Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The folks
that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin pump, are much
the same. Sure they are always discussing the new capabilities of the pump,
but they take the time to listen to my concerns and are not out just for the
all mighty dollar. In fact, they will be meeting with me at my next doctor's
appointment to help me determine if I need to change basal rates and so
forth to get my A1C back to the level it was before I ended up in the
hospital.

I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical profession
into one category simply based on your experiences with a few unscrupulous
companies or doctors. I think there are far more people in the field that
are truly concerned with the health of their patients instead of being out
there just to make as much money as possible. For example, I think Anne
Williams, who posts to this list on a regular basis, is a shining example of
what I'm trying to say about the good people in the medical field. She truly
cares about the patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here
on this list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.

I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep in
mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your diabetes.  It
has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital and
helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a positive
attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as being made up of
good people, for anything. .

Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?

Eileen
All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the voice
in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
oh well!
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Debbie:
>
> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are 
> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for 
> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & 
> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a 
> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to 
> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a 
> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's give 
> away services for free?  I think not.
>
> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?  
> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus 
> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information 
> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>
> Eileen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to 
>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the 
>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being 
>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field 
>> is making a huge profit from it.
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the 
>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this 
>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and 
>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from 
>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and 
>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is 
>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among 
>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>> Gathering
>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education 
>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff 
>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as 
>>> pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a 
>>> decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which 
>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some 
>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing staff 
>>> at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the best we 
>>> could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring information about 
>>> both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited or no vision. 
>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>> Maurer
>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding 
>>> the project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on 
>>> this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, 
>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>> All the best,
>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up 
>>> there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at 
>>> least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  
>>> publication.
>>>
>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
>>> Representative
>>>
>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" 
>>> our
>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why 
>>> we are
>>>
>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>>
>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but 
>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure 
>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>>
>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been 
>>> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this 
>>> publication and the
>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is
>>> over
>>> three hundred thousand .
>>>
>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and  
>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 
>>> 2 easy steps!
>>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?r
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From jstigile at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 11 02:36:48 2009
From: jstigile at sbcglobal.net (joy)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:36:48 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
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Dear All,
The "The Voice of the Diabetic" has been available for almost 2 years on the
NFB web site.  It was widely advertised on this list for people to take
advantage of this.  But, very few did.

At my Dr.'s office's they usually have magazine's that the office staff
leave in the waiting room, like "People", "Time", and "Ladies Home Journal".
My Dr. does not subscribe to any magazines because he has a budget  to
consider also.

When I became treasurer of DAN in 2003 the cost of publishing "The Voice"
was over $350,000 a year.  Many people tried to get advertising to help
cover some of the costs.  Please remember that almost everything we
purchased this week has gone up close to 30% in the last 2 years.
Joy Stigile, DAN Treasurer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> Why can't the voice of the Diabetic be produced in a down-loadable format
> that would save on both printing & paper costs in addition to the costs
for
> audio dubbing/recording equipment and cassettes?  If a master copy was
made
> available on a web site & with today's technology, both text & audio
> versions could be easily down-loaded to computers.  From there they could
be
> read with the use of screen reading software, magnification software, or
> simply copied onto a CD and played on a boom box.  Who doesn't own a CD
> Player these days?  Also with NLS moving to the digital down-loadable
> talking books format blind people will be equipped with players that would
> allow them to read these files.
>
> I think there is some good & useful info that comes from the voice.  It
> would be a shame if a newly blinded diabetic could not get the information
> they need.  Doctor's certainly don't know the blindness aspect of diabetes
> well.  In fact, in December, I was at my Doc's and they were asking me
what
> the options are for talking/accessible meters!
>
> By the way, out of noseyocity, what percentage of the NFB membership is
the
> diabetic population?  I would think pretty high?  Just guessing, but am
> interested to know.
>
> Eileen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joyce Porter" <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>
> >I couldn't agree more.  I believe other cuts could have been made and the
> > "Voice" could have been left alone.  I'm afraid our support system is
> > beginning to collapse.  At work our diabetes educator has recommended
the
> > "Voice to her patients.  I sure hate to tell her that it is gone.
> > Joyce
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Anspach
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 PM
> > To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> > Hi Joyce and all,
> > I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of
copies
> > being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were
> > reading
> > the Voice.
> >
> > It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB
> > now
> > that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes
to
> > fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these
cutbacks
> > impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
> > message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not
> > mean
> > the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
> > NFB.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Blindhands at aol.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> > I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
> > many
> > folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will
be
> > a
> > loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> >
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> > p://ad.doubleclick.
> > net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
> > _______________________________________________
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> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
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> >
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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 02:46:26 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:46:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Hi Eileen and all,
I think that asking the medical professionals who receive the Voice to pay a
moderate subscription fee is definitely a good idea. If the circulation of
the Voice was truly at approximately 300,000, then charging even $10 per
year would bring in an extraordinary amount of money to help offset any
costs associated with the production of the Voice. If you do the math, you
would end up with $3,000,000! I would think this would far outweigh any
costs associated with the production of the Voice. Heck, you could even
charge a mere $5.00 per year for a subscription for the Voice and still
bring in over a million dollars. I also agree with you Eileen in that the
medical professionals who receive the Voice could simply write off the
subscription cost as a business expense. In fact, I would even be willing to
pay $5 or $10 a year to get the Voice. It's simply worth it to me as the
Voice was always full of great information.

I think that the decision to just cancel the Voice without any thought into
means to help offset production costs was not fair to this great
publication. 

I'm sure there was more to it than what we now know. But it sure would be
nice if we could  get an exact reason as to why the Voice was cancelled so
abruptly. With diabetes being one of the leading causes of blindness in the
United States, you would think that the NFB would be leading the way in
getting information out to those diabetics who have recently lost their
sight with the production of the Voice.

Furthermore, why couldn't the Voice be made available on news line? Perhaps
it is already on there and I'm just not aware of it. But why not put it out
there on news line if it is not already there to save money?

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:02 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?

Sheryl:

I'm not saying to not send it to medical professionals, just that I think
it's fair to have them pay for the subscription.  More than likely, they can
even write it off as either a business expense or charitable contribution. 
And then to, if it was in a down-loadable version they could print it out or
copy onto CD for those patients who would find it helpful.  I only raised
the question because the negative amount quoted was so huge, and I am
wondering how it got so out of control!

Eileen

----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


>I found out about DAN through the voice at my dialysis center, and that is 
>how I found out about the NFB, if they want more members, you have to have 
>it out there.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Debbie:
>>
>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are blind
>> are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a
>> subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other
>> medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a subscription
>> fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are blind
>> and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go to
>> medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I think
>> not.
>>
>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?  Isn't
>> the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has changed
>> somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the blind/vi
>> community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>> > this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to 
>> > the
>> > disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. 
>> > The
>> > Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because 
>> > it
>> > is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit from
>> > it.
>> > Debbie
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello All,
>> >> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>> >> Diabetic
>> >> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is 
>> >> coming
>> >> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs 
>> >> were
>> >> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. 
>> >> However,
>> >> it
>> >> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our circulation
>> >> for
>> >> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was
>> >> very
>> >> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>> >> Gathering
>> >> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, 
>> >> and
>> >> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' time,

>> >> as
>> >> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for 
>> >> accessible
>> >> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
>> >> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
>> >> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded 
>> >> into
>> >> the
>> >> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let 
>> >> go.
>> >> We
>> >> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>> >> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited 
>> >> or
>> >> no
>> >> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>> >> Maurer
>> >> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding 
>> >> the
>> >> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>> >> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on 
>> >> this
>> >> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
>> >> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Elizabeth Lunt
>> >> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >> Blindhands at aol.com
>> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>> >> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>
>> >> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
>> >> there
>> >> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
>> >> consider
>> >> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>> >>
>> >> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>> >> Representative
>> >>
>> >> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to 
>> >> "Voice"
>> >> our
>> >> opinion and thoughts on this?
>> >>
>> >> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why 
>> >> we
>> >> are
>> >>
>> >> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>> >>
>> >> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do

>> >> we
>> >> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are
>> >> some
>> >> of
>> >> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>> >>
>> >> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
>> >> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
>> >> publication
>> >> and the
>> >> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
>> >> is
>> >> over
>> >> three hundred thousand .
>> >>
>> >> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and 
>> >> will
>> >> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>> >>
>> >> Joyce
>> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
>> >> easy
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From boo.lunt at verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 03:13:17 2009
From: boo.lunt at verizon.net (Elizabeth Lunt )
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
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Subscriptions to Voice of the Diabetic have always been free. The
circulation model was that support came from ad sales and grants/funding
from the NFB as well as other organizations who offer education grants. 

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joy
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:37 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice

Dear All,
The "The Voice of the Diabetic" has been available for almost 2 years on the
NFB web site.  It was widely advertised on this list for people to take
advantage of this.  But, very few did.

At my Dr.'s office's they usually have magazine's that the office staff
leave in the waiting room, like "People", "Time", and "Ladies Home Journal".
My Dr. does not subscribe to any magazines because he has a budget  to
consider also.

When I became treasurer of DAN in 2003 the cost of publishing "The Voice"
was over $350,000 a year.  Many people tried to get advertising to help
cover some of the costs.  Please remember that almost everything we
purchased this week has gone up close to 30% in the last 2 years.
Joy Stigile, DAN Treasurer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


> Why can't the voice of the Diabetic be produced in a down-loadable format
> that would save on both printing & paper costs in addition to the costs
for
> audio dubbing/recording equipment and cassettes?  If a master copy was
made
> available on a web site & with today's technology, both text & audio
> versions could be easily down-loaded to computers.  From there they could
be
> read with the use of screen reading software, magnification software, or
> simply copied onto a CD and played on a boom box.  Who doesn't own a CD
> Player these days?  Also with NLS moving to the digital down-loadable
> talking books format blind people will be equipped with players that would
> allow them to read these files.
>
> I think there is some good & useful info that comes from the voice.  It
> would be a shame if a newly blinded diabetic could not get the information
> they need.  Doctor's certainly don't know the blindness aspect of diabetes
> well.  In fact, in December, I was at my Doc's and they were asking me
what
> the options are for talking/accessible meters!
>
> By the way, out of noseyocity, what percentage of the NFB membership is
the
> diabetic population?  I would think pretty high?  Just guessing, but am
> interested to know.
>
> Eileen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joyce Porter" <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
>
>
> >I couldn't agree more.  I believe other cuts could have been made and the
> > "Voice" could have been left alone.  I'm afraid our support system is
> > beginning to collapse.  At work our diabetes educator has recommended
the
> > "Voice to her patients.  I sure hate to tell her that it is gone.
> > Joyce
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Anspach
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:58 PM
> > To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> > Hi Joyce and all,
> > I couldn't agree more. It was quite apparent by the large number of
copies
> > being circulated that many, many in the diabetes area or field were
> > reading
> > the Voice.
> >
> > It now makes me wonder how much support I can expect to get from the NFB
> > now
> > that this happened. Will the NFB be there to help us all when it comes
to
> > fight for an accessible insulin pump, for example? How will these
cutbacks
> > impact the DAN as an affiliate in the future? After reading Elizabeth's
> > message, it really makes me wonder. I sincerely hope that this does not
> > mean
> > the end of the DAN and the support we as blind diabetics get through the
> > NFB.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Blindhands at aol.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:39 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
> >
> > I feel so bad that there will be no more "Voice of the Diabetic".  So
> > many
> > folks have enjoyed and learned so much from this publication.  It will
be
> > a
> > loss to the blind and sighted community.
> >
> > Joyce Kane
> > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499.
> >
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> > p://ad.doubleclick.
> > net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
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> >
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 11 14:33:21 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:33:21 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42 years 
i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a thing to 
help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do to 
live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very crooked 
to me.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Hi Debbie,
> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was surprised 
> to
> find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida had copies of the
> Voice. They were very pleased with the publication and at the time, made
> sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or, was needing any info
> regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>
> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession not
> wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them a few
> extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be towards the
> medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all why you feel as
> you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
>
> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been very
> happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just make a 
> buck.
> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The 
> folks
> that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin pump, are much
> the same. Sure they are always discussing the new capabilities of the 
> pump,
> but they take the time to listen to my concerns and are not out just for 
> the
> all mighty dollar. In fact, they will be meeting with me at my next 
> doctor's
> appointment to help me determine if I need to change basal rates and so
> forth to get my A1C back to the level it was before I ended up in the
> hospital.
>
> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical profession
> into one category simply based on your experiences with a few unscrupulous
> companies or doctors. I think there are far more people in the field that
> are truly concerned with the health of their patients instead of being out
> there just to make as much money as possible. For example, I think Anne
> Williams, who posts to this list on a regular basis, is a shining example 
> of
> what I'm trying to say about the good people in the medical field. She 
> truly
> cares about the patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts 
> here
> on this list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>
> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep in
> mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your diabetes. 
> It
> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital and
> helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a positive
> attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as being made up of
> good people, for anything. .
>
> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
> Eileen
> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the voice
> in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
> oh well!
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Debbie:
>>
>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for
>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's &
>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's give
>> away services for free?  I think not.
>>
>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus
>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information
>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to
>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field
>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>>> Debbie
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and
>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from
>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and
>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is
>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>>> Gathering
>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff
>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as
>>>> pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a
>>>> decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which
>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some
>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing staff
>>>> at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the best we
>>>> could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring information about
>>>> both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited or no vision.
>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>>> Maurer
>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding
>>>> the project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on
>>>> this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to,
>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>>
>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
>>>> there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at
>>>> least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic
>>>> publication.
>>>>
>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>>>> Representative
>>>>
>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice"
>>>> our
>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>>>
>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why
>>>> we are
>>>>
>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but
>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure
>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>>>
>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
>>>> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
>>>> publication and the
>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
>>>> is
>>>> over
>>>> three hundred thousand .
>>>>
>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>>>
>>>> Joyce
>>>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just
>>>> 2 easy steps!
>>>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?r
>>>> edir=htt
>>>> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%2
>>>> 6bcd=fe
>>>> bemailfooterNO62)
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 11 14:36:41 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:36:41 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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that sounds like a good idea Ellian but then again would take time and i'm 
not so sure the medical field would bother to take the time
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Sheryl:
>
> I'm not saying to not send it to medical professionals, just that I think 
> it's fair to have them pay for the subscription.  More than likely, they 
> can even write it off as either a business expense or charitable 
> contribution. And then to, if it was in a down-loadable version they could 
> print it out or copy onto CD for those patients who would find it helpful. 
> I only raised the question because the negative amount quoted was so huge, 
> and I am wondering how it got so out of control!
>
> Eileen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>>I found out about DAN through the voice at my dialysis center, and that is 
>>how I found out about the NFB, if they want more members, you have to have 
>>it out there.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> Debbie:
>>>
>>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are 
>>> blind
>>> are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a
>>> subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other
>>> medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a subscription
>>> fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are 
>>> blind
>>> and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go to
>>> medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I 
>>> think
>>> not.
>>>
>>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures? 
>>> Isn't
>>> the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has 
>>> changed
>>> somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the 
>>> blind/vi
>>> community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>>
>>> > this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to 
>>> > the
>>> > disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease. 
>>> > The
>>> > Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is because 
>>> > it
>>> > is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit 
>>> > from
>>> > it.
>>> > Debbie
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hello All,
>>> >> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>>> >> Diabetic
>>> >> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is 
>>> >> coming
>>> >> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs 
>>> >> were
>>> >> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships. 
>>> >> However,
>>> >> it
>>> >> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our 
>>> >> circulation
>>> >> for
>>> >> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was
>>> >> very
>>> >> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>> >> Gathering
>>> >> the information, selling advertisements and getting education grants, 
>>> >> and
>>> >> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members' 
>>> >> time, as
>>> >> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for 
>>> >> accessible
>>> >> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the entire
>>> >> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of the
>>> >> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded 
>>> >> into
>>> >> the
>>> >> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let 
>>> >> go.
>>> >> We
>>> >> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>>> >> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited 
>>> >> or
>>> >> no
>>> >> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>> >> Maurer
>>> >> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is folding 
>>> >> the
>>> >> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
>>> >> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working on 
>>> >> this
>>> >> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
>>> >> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>> >> All the best,
>>> >> Elizabeth Lunt
>>> >> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> >> Blindhands at aol.com
>>> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>> >> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >>
>>> >> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
>>> >> there
>>> >> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
>>> >> consider
>>> >> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>>> >>
>>> >> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>>> >> Representative
>>> >>
>>> >> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to 
>>> >> "Voice"
>>> >> our
>>> >> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>> >>
>>> >> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why 
>>> >> we
>>> >> are
>>> >>
>>> >> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but 
>>> >> do we
>>> >> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are
>>> >> some
>>> >> of
>>> >> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
>>> >> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
>>> >> publication
>>> >> and the
>>> >> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
>>> >> is
>>> >> over
>>> >> three hundred thousand .
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and 
>>> >> will
>>> >> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>> >>
>>> >> Joyce
>>> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 
>>> >> 2
>>> >> easy
>>> >> steps!
>>> >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=htt
>>> >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
>>> >> bemailfooterNO62)
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 22:52:51 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:52:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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well what about paying a free for it, I realize it is expensive to produce. 
if we have over 300,000 in circulation, if we charged $1 per person per year 
or at least $1.50
Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> that sounds like a good idea Ellian but then again would take time and i'm
> not so sure the medical field would bother to take the time
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
> > Sheryl:
> >
> > I'm not saying to not send it to medical professionals, just that I 
> > think
> > it's fair to have them pay for the subscription.  More than likely, they
> > can even write it off as either a business expense or charitable
> > contribution. And then to, if it was in a down-loadable version they 
> > could
> > print it out or copy onto CD for those patients who would find it 
> > helpful.
> > I only raised the question because the negative amount quoted was so 
> > huge,
> > and I am wondering how it got so out of control!
> >
> > Eileen
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >
> >
> >>I found out about DAN through the voice at my dialysis center, and that 
> >>is
> >>how I found out about the NFB, if they want more members, you have to 
> >>have
> >>it out there.
> >>
> >> Cheryl Echevarria
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> >> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Debbie:
> >>>
> >>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
> >>> blind
> >>> are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for a
> >>> subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & other
> >>> medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a 
> >>> subscription
> >>> fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to people who are
> >>> blind
> >>> and may not be able to cover the cost of a subscription & how many go 
> >>> to
> >>> medical professionals?  Do doctor's give away services for free?  I
> >>> think
> >>> not.
> >>>
> >>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
> >>> Isn't
> >>> the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus has
> >>> changed
> >>> somewhere along the line from presenting good information to the
> >>> blind/vi
> >>> community to trying to attract sighted readers?
> >>>
> >>> Eileen
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to
> >>> > the
> >>> > disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the disease.
> >>> > The
> >>> > Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being eliminated is 
> >>> > because
> >>> > it
> >>> > is helpful and no one in the medical field is making a huge profit
> >>> > from
> >>> > it.
> >>> > Debbie
> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> > From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
> >>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
> >>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Hello All,
> >>> >> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
> >>> >> Diabetic
> >>> >> has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this information is
> >>> >> coming
> >>> >> from. Even with the much-improved design and full color, the costs
> >>> >> were
> >>> >> controlled, and money was coming in from ads and sponsorships.
> >>> >> However,
> >>> >> it
> >>> >> simply costs a lot to print and ship so many copies -- our
> >>> >> circulation
> >>> >> for
> >>> >> Voice of the Diabetic is over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It 
> >>> >> was
> >>> >> very
> >>> >> popular among readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
> >>> >> Gathering
> >>> >> the information, selling advertisements and getting education 
> >>> >> grants,
> >>> >> and
> >>> >> writing and editing the publication accounted for staff members'
> >>> >> time, as
> >>> >> well as other diabetes advocacy activities such as pushing for
> >>> >> accessible
> >>> >> diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made a decision to cut the 
> >>> >> entire
> >>> >> Diabetes Initiatives project, which included publishing Voice of 
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> Diabetic. He has said that some diabetes activities will be folded
> >>> >> into
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> duties of existing staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been 
> >>> >> let
> >>> >> go.
> >>> >> We
> >>> >> did the best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
> >>> >> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with 
> >>> >> limited
> >>> >> or
> >>> >> no
> >>> >> vision. There will not be another issue of the magazine, because 
> >>> >> Dr.
> >>> >> Maurer
> >>> >> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is 
> >>> >> folding
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> project now, before another would have gone out in the spring.
> >>> >> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working 
> >>> >> on
> >>> >> this
> >>> >> publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, before
> >>> >> continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
> >>> >> All the best,
> >>> >> Elizabeth Lunt
> >>> >> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> >> Blindhands at aol.com
> >>> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
> >>> >> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks 
> >>> >> up
> >>> >> there
> >>> >> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
> >>> >> consider
> >>> >> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
> >>> >> Representative
> >>> >>
> >>> >> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to
> >>> >> "Voice"
> >>> >> our
> >>> >> opinion and thoughts on this?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is 
> >>> >> why
> >>> >> we
> >>> >> are
> >>> >>
> >>> >> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but
> >>> >> do we
> >>> >> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those 
> >>> >> are
> >>> >> some
> >>> >> of
> >>> >> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has 
> >>> >> been
> >>> >> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
> >>> >> publication
> >>> >> and the
> >>> >> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this 
> >>> >> publication
> >>> >> is
> >>> >> over
> >>> >> three hundred thousand .
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
> >>> >> will
> >>> >> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Joyce
> >>> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in 
> >>> >> just
> >>> >> 2
> >>> >> easy
> >>> >> steps!
> >>> >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=htt
> >>> >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
> >>> >> bemailfooterNO62)
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >>> >> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> >>> >> for
> >>> >> Diabetes-talk:
> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/editor%40nfb.
> >>> >> org
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >>> >> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> >>> >> for
> >>> >> Diabetes-talk:
> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> >>> > for
> >>> > Diabetes-talk:
> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/etscrivani%40verizon.net
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> Diabetes-talk:
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> >> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> Diabetes-talk:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/etscrivani%40verizon.net
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/catdancing%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> Diabetes-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
> 



From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu Feb 12 02:57:11 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:57:11 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] KNFB Reader Mobile to be featured on this week's
 Tek Talk Training Monday February 16, 2009
Message-ID: <auto-000085457522@mailfront1.g2host.com>



  The Accessible News Wire

 > During this week's Tek Talk event, Jim Gashel, Vice President of Business
 > Development for knfb Reading Technology, Inc. and Michael Hingson,
 > Director
 > of National Sales for the National Federation of the Blind KNFB 
Reader Mobile program will
 > demonstrate
 > their superior Mobile Reader product line for the blind and learning
 > disabled - featuring the first cell phone that reads and translates.
 >
 > The knfb Reader Mobile is a major advancement in print access for the
 > blind.
 > The software, delivered on a multifunction cell phone, allows the user to
 > snap pictures of any printed material and have it read aloud immediately.
 > The first of its kind, the pocket-sized device allows individuals to have
 > print analyzed and read aloud in real time and in real life situations.
 >
 > The latest version is now able to read in a variety of languages including
 > French, German, Dutch, Belgian Dutch, Italian, and Castilian.
 > Additionally,
 > the software is able to translate between languages, displaying and
 > reading
 > aloud translated text.
 >
 > Contact: Jim Gashel
 > Email: <mailto:jim at knfbreader.com>jim at knfbreader.com
 > Direct Line: 443-854-0854
 > Contact: Michael Hingson
 > Email:  <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
 > 888-965-9191
 >
 > Date:  Monday, February 16, 2009.
 >
 > Time:  5:00 p.m. Pacific, 6:00 p.m. Mountain, 7:00 p.m. Central, 8:00 p.m.
 > Eastern and elsewhere in the world Tuesday 1:00 GMT.
 >
 > Where:  Tek Talk Conference Room at:
 >
 > 
<http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2>http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2
 >
 >
 > Or, alternatively,
 >
 > <http://www.accessibleworld.org>http://www.accessibleworld.org 
names on the sign-in screen.
 >
 > All Tek Talk training events are recorded so if you are unable to
 > participate live at the above times then you may download the presentation
 > or podcast from the Tek Talk archives on our website at
 > <http://www.accessibleworld.org>http://www.accessibleworld.org 
<http://www.accessibleworld.org/> .
 >
 > All online interactive programs require no password, are free of charge,
 > and
 > open to anyone worldwide having an Internet connection, a computer,
 > speakers, and a sound card. Those with microphones can interact audibly
 > with
 > the presenters and others in the virtual audience.
 >
 > If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online
 > conferencing
 > software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to
 > download
 > and then run. A link to the software is available on every entry screen to
 > the Accessible World online rooms.
 >
 > Sign up information for all Accessible World News Wires and discussion
 > lists
 > are also available at our website: 
<http://www.accessibleworld.org>http://www.accessibleworld.org
 >
 > Media Contacts:
 > Robert Acosta, Chair, Planning Committee
 > 818-998-0044
 > Email: <mailto:boacosta at pacbell.net>boacosta at pacbell.net
 > <http://us.mc836.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boacosta at pacbell.net>
 > Web: 
<http://www.helpinghands4theblind.com>http://www.helpinghands4theblind.com
 >
 > George Buys
 > CEO. Talking Communities
 > Email: 
<mailto:buys at talkingcommunities.com>buys at talkingcommunities.com 
<mailto:buys at talkingcommunities.com>
 >
 > The Accessible World, a division of Vision Worldwide, Inc. a 501(c)(3)
 > not-for-profit organization, seeks to educate the general public, the
 > disabled community and the professionals who serve them by providing
 > highly relevant information about new products, services, and training
 > opportunities designed specifically to eliminate geographic and access
 > barriers that adversely affect them.
 >



The Michael Hingson Group
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>
http://michaelhingson.com/images/knfbReader-michael_hingson.jpg

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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 14 00:56:18 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the top 36
	for season 8 of american idol
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS2AEA9E3442F92E2C86BEDA1B90@phx.gbl>

His name is Scott MacIntyre and is from Scottsdale, AZ.

And he is blind.  Sings great, plays the piano.  I like him. my daughter 
says he is cute to, not gorgeous but cute.

Anyway, I usually don't watch Idol myself, but he talks about overcoming 
issues being visually impaired and I am sure he will inspirationaly for 
other blind people to go for there dreams.

If you can let us try and support him, listen to idol, and make the choice 
for yourself.

Cheryl Echevarria 




From batcave1941 at q.com  Sat Feb 14 03:18:46 2009
From: batcave1941 at q.com (darlene)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe  here
Message-ID: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl>

hello  folks,
          
where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don?t  know

thank you,jacky742

From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 14 21:35:25 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:35:25 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetis read this
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            A Possible Cure for Diabetes Ignored by Big Pharma 




            Twelve years ago, Professor Irving Weissman discovered a treatment that could have saved the lives of thousands of women with advanced breast cancer. Pharmaceutical companies weren't interested in developing the therapy at the time.

            Though interest in his methods are finally being ignited, Weissman regrets the wasted time. In a set of lectures, Weissman repeatedly expressed frustration that while many of his discoveries in the field of stem cell research seemed to hold remarkable potential for life-saving treatments, commercial or regulatory hurdles have prevented his scientific findings from benefiting patients.

            One example is Weissman's research on type I diabetes, in which he demonstrated the ability to fully cure type I diabetes in mice using stem cells. But even though his experiments avoided political controversy by using adult stem cells, which do not come from embryos, Weissman ran into a road block when pharmaceutical companies refused to sponsor clinical trials.

            Weissman believes that the pharmaceutical companies put profit over principle, preferring to keep diabetes sufferers dependent on costly insulin than to cure them once and for all.



            Sources:

              Columbia Spectator January 23, 2009





                    Dr. Mercola's Comments:  



            Type 1 diabetes, or insulin dependent diabetes, is a really sad chronic condition. This is in stark contrast to type 2, which is caused by insulin resistance and faulty leptin signaling, due to inappropriate diet and lack of exercise - an entirely preventable, and nearly 100 percent reversible condition through lifestyle modifications.

            Type 1 diabetics, however, do not produce insulin and must therefore inject insulin several times a day. The disease tends to progress rather quickly and therefore needs to be diagnosed early, as it can result in serious long-term complications including blindness, kidney failure, heart disease and stroke. 

            Tragically those with type 1 diabetes can have the healthiest lifestyle possible yet still suffer many diseases, as current technology is a poor substitute for a fully functioning pancreas. The sad thing about type 1 diabetes is that it now appears nearly completely preventable.  New research suggests if a pregnant woman has optimal vitamin D levels during her pregnancy and then maintains them in her baby once delivered, this should radically reduce if not virtually eliminate type 1 diabetes. 

            Obviously finding out this information after a person has had their pancreatic islet cells destroyed and is insulin dependent doesn't help much, but the good news is that within your lifetime we will have developed the ability to safely replace these cells, most likely with similar approaches to the one described in the article above. 

            If this sounds farfetched, you should know that Dr. Weissman is not the only scientist to lay claim to the power of stem cells to cure type 1 diabetes. 

            In 2007 the British Times Online reported on the first clinical evidence for the efficacy of Hematopoietic stem cells (stem cells derived from bone marrow) in type 1 diabetes.   

            The Brazilian study, published in Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), found that treatment-related toxicity was low, with zero mortality. All but two of the volunteers (93 percent) in the trial did not require daily insulin injections for up to three years after the end of their treatment, as the therapy allowed their bodies to start producing the hormone naturally again. 

            The main drawback with the particular therapy used in that study, from my standpoint, is that drugs were used to first suppress the patients' immune system before receiving transfusions of stem cells drawn from their own blood. Suppression of your immune system could lead to all types of health problems - after all, your immune system is your primary line of defense - however, the theory of using stem cells to reactivate natural insulin production is an intriguing and hopeful one.

            Does Big Pharma Want to Find a Cure for Diabetes?

            It certainly would not make financial sense, and I think it's fairly safe to say that pharmaceutical companies are in business these days to make money - not to actually cure disease. So, when Dr. Weissman implies that he was unable to entice pharmaceutical sponsors because they prefer to keep diabetes sufferers dependent on costly insulin, he's probably not far off.

            There are numerous examples of well-educated, innovative doctors and scientists who have created alternative medical treatments that far supersede conventional drug treatments, and yet they are more frequently than not shunned, persecuted, or even prosecuted for their efforts. 

            At least Dr. Weissman did not suffer a fate similar to any of these doctors:  

              a.. Gaston Naessens - Dr. Naessens cancer treatment is based on the theory that cancer is caused by a friendly microorganism called somatids ("little bodies") -- which are present in all cells -- that becomes unfriendly. His formula, 714X, provides nitrogen to the cancer cells, thus causing this microorganism to cease excreting their toxic compounds, and mobilize your immune system to kill the cancer cells. He was subsequently put on trial for his cancer discoveries. 
              b..  Stanislaw Burzynski -- Dr. Burzynski, founder of the Houston-based Burzynski Institute, treats cancer patients with substances called antineoplastons. He was indicted by a grand jury in 1995 for his use of antineoplastons- his second trial that year. He was acquitted.  
              c.. Ryke Geerd Hamer - Dr. Hamer's "German New Medicine" (GNM), operates under the premise that every disease originates from an unexpected shock experience, and that all disease can be cured by resolving these underlying emotional traumas. Despite a 95 percent success rate, Dr. Hamer has spent time in prison for refusing to disavow his medical findings and stop treating his patients with his unorthodox techniques, and is currently living in exile, seeking asylum from persecution. 
            Adult Stem Cell Treatments are the Wave of the Future

            I believe therapies using adult stem cells - as opposed to embryonic stem cells which are at the heart of the stem cell controversy - is and will continue to be a major, exciting part of the future of medicine. 

            There's little risk of rejection when using your own adult stem cells, so you're less likely to need dangerous immunosuppressive drugs. And besides certain ethical issues and regulatory barriers to embryonic stem cell therapy, adult stem cells may hold several technical advantages. For one, they may be more viable.  

            It's a little known fact that only about 30 percent of conceptions advance to term. In other words, about 70 percent of embryos may be so defective that they naturally abort. 

            In addition to eventually helping restore internal organs, immune systems and more, adult stem cell therapies also hold the promise of restoring old skin and bald scalps. I am personally beta testing a new product for regrowing hair that has adult stem cell factors (primarily peptides, no DNA)  and have been favorably impressed with the results to date.   

            One major player in the field is The Maximum Life Foundation. They have discovered an emerging technology that could fine tune stem cell treatments and make every adult stem cell therapy in the world much more safe and effective. 

            As you age, your stem cells diminish in quality and quantity, so just when you require strong stem cells the most, you're becoming deficient. Hence your organs and tissues eventually wear out and need to be restored or replaced. 

            Cells become randomly damaged or mutated over time, but a small percentage may incur relatively little damage-or may escape damage altogether. So some of your stem cells may be as pristine as those that you enjoyed as a teenager, or even as an infant. 

            The technology discovered by The Maximum Life Foundation  identifies, isolates, and amplifies those "pristine" stem cells from your own population for therapies. This selection process could supercharge stem cell treatments by using these "best of breed" cells instead of old cells. 

            Stem Cell Treatments Have Been Proven to Work 

            As a bridge to human therapies, a San Diego company has already given us a peek into the future with their horse and dog treatments. Vet-Stem provides a quick-turnaround laboratory service that lets veterinarians to use regenerative cells in animals.  

            The veterinarian simply collects a small fat sample from the patient and ships it overnight to the Vet-Stem laboratory. Then, Vet-Stem processes the sample, concentrates the cells which are shipped in ready-to-inject syringes. Finally, the veterinarian injects the cells directly into the injured site. 

            With more than 3,000 horses treated and multiple studies demonstrating the success and safety of their regenerative medicine, Vet-Stem currently helps horses and dogs with fractures, joint disease, or tendon or ligament injuries return to their full level of ability. 

            Just imagine what the prospects for aged humans might be if similar treatments used pristine human stem cells. Type 1 diabetes wouldn't be the only chronic disease that could be effectively wiped out.

            However, despite Dr. Weissman's negative experiences in trying to bring his findings to the fore, it's not completely out of the question yet. In an accompanying editorial in JAMA titled "Cellular therapy for type 1 diabetes: has the time come?" Dr Jay Skyler of the Diabetes Research Institute at the University of Miami, wrote: 

              "Research in this field is likely to explode in the next few years and should include randomized controlled trials, as well as mechanistic studies."




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                        It is overly simplistic to say that big pharma only cares about making a profit. Their primary goal is to keep the public sick, weak, fearful, dependent and ignorant. Profit is secondary. As J. Edgar Hoover said, "The individual is handicapped when he confronts a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." And he was part of it! Big pharma is owned by the same families that own the banks, the political system, the media and more. Their goal right now is to kill about five billion people in order to make the human herd easier to manage. They already own the world so they don't need more money. The profits they make are just a cover story for their real agenda. Did you know that the top guys at the National Institute for Health and the Center for Disease Control are all military intelligence officers? Their job is to kill people, not make them healthy. Listen to free MP3 downloads at http://drop.io/Summerbird Most of the files are interviews from the Alex Jones radio show with numerous people on various subjects including the elite plan to kill most of us. 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              Here is your support 'libertyvalance': http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              Somewhere along the way of time and history it probably should've been known it would come to this. Start preparing for the future resistance then (like the Terminator future minus the machines and plasma guns), when and if the time should come. I was at Target the other day, and saw a book by Kevin Trudeau. He works in natural cures too, and he says the exact same. Pharma and the federal government is doing everything in its power to stop natural medicine, that they use Gestapo tactics too. People disappear, are kept quiet, with their research seized in raids at gunpoint. And to think about what he says, it makes sense that they have an interest to hide the real cures and keep people sick in an endless cycle of sickness. Their goal, or at least one of them, is to keep people sick but alive for as long as possible so they can keep their business going. Say there was a herbal plant, found in the Amazon, whose tea could cure cancer. If the world knew of this plant, there's no money to be made. Phama wouldn't make money off their cancer drugs, their line of cancer vaccines (like Gardasil). There would be no need for the Ameican Cancer Association, or chemo, or cancer doctors. If there was no sickness, Phama and medicinal practices have no need to exist. 


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                        Posted On Jan 28, 2009 
                        Drug companies are about their bottom line. It's all about the money not about saving lives or curing disease.

                        I've just come through (almost) an unnecessary medical procedure. Prescribed drugs caused side effects that more medication was prescribed for....which caused more side effects. When I could barely walk I decided to take back responsibility for my health.

                        My research led me to this site, among others, who are telling it like it is. I'll be writing about my personal experience and will post it here.



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                              Posted On Jan 28, 2009 
                              It sad but to common of a story.



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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        some folks are going to think LibertValence is OTT, however when you look at the real Big Picture, he is on the side of correct! When they can dump tons of food into the ocean, rather than allow a 3rd world country very close by to have it for the cost of the extra fuel to ship it a little further? when safe natural alternatives are banned from sale.VIT B6 is the latest! than the ass#oles at MERK folks! when the FDA is staffed by exgovt military,financiers etc and has a revolving door. so they swap positions regularly, when vaccinations are pushed on the populace, when they can force people to take drugs they neither want or in truth need.When they are in close buddy buddy chats with the financiers, they control the food and home products we can access. well Big Brother and social control is it! and yes, i have heard a few others say exactly the same thing about needing to kill off /allow to die through neglect? a large percentage of the worlds populace. Sad thing is so many other countries are linked and following USA and their lousy methods. Either through knowing choice or by the leverage 'Free trade" and the compacts signed years back, that had some nasty hidden facets. Codex, the oslo agreements etc are all a whole lot uglier than many of us realise. Hussein and all the other Nutters at least are upfront and open about their plans, the real bastards are the ones that deny harm, say it is for our own good, or that of our country, and proceed to more damage than is recognised until it is too late. The medical/vacc plans in the new Bailout are VERY dodgy. and it has been passed without any time to allow full consideration, under the guise of financial emergency. read it and worry! 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        In 2005 I had a stroke and developed diabetes, I'm a disabled vet and it took them several months before they decided that I needed a glucose meter, they also made a appointment to see my primary care physician, I had started using my daughters meter and did a lot of research on diabetes, I found out that the Chinese treat it with Royal Jelly, so I had been taking 2 120mg caps 3 times a day for some time, when I was given the order that I was to start using insulin i refused, and asked why I would want to destroy my liver if there was a natural treatment that would do the same thing,I've been on the treatment eversince, but at a much reduced level, yes a good diet, and I can even have candy from time to time, just my story about the natural alternative 


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                        Posted On Jan 28, 2009 
                        Wow. Thanks again Dr. Mercola for keeping real science alive instead of pseudoscience. 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              I love when Mercola is posting about HFCS, vaccines, mercury, Monsanto, and those types of things. The problem with this post is that a cure for diabetes has existed since the 1920s that never gets mentioned. Dr Max Gerson was curing cancer, diabetes, and any other known disease with the Gerson Therapy. It is primarily eating a raw organic diet, vegetable juices and coffee enemas. One of my best friends cured his own cancer with the Gerson Therapy. I cured my own diabetic condition with the Gerson Therapy, so did my wife. That's not all it cured either. My wife had severe PMDD, but that is gone now as well. I had a pressure in my stomach for nearly a decade, but that is gone now as well. Like Charlotte Gerson says, "you can't have one part of the body cure itself and another part still have a disease, when the body heals it heals". It all comes down to proper nutrition and detoxification. Simple. 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              Steve Sega, I believe you cured you TYPE TWO diabetes. I believe Dr. Mercola is referring to TYPE ONE. If this site is going to start focusing on conspiracy theories and blaming those who are suffering....UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW. 


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                        Posted On Jan 28, 2009 
                        I know many of you think drug companies are evil, then why do you EXPECT them to fund some stem cell research, even if it may be promising.

                        Its a business, if it has marketability, then I'm sure private investors would be intersted, and also government grants.

                        I don't see why the pharma's should be expected to fund anything just if it may be the perceived benifit of humanity.



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                              Posted On Jan 28, 2009 
                              You are absolutely correct Squarepusher.  What's amazing is not that the drug companies are bottom-line oriented, but that people actually expect these companies to make them healthy, when healthy people are the last thing they want.

                              The fact they have abandoned the antibiotic business, leaving it to small, poorly funded companies, should be all the evidence needed to know that curing disease is the last thing they are about.

                              Most people still don't grasp our society has degraded to the point that it's normal American behavior to sacrifice the health and very lives of thousands of people so one can live in a bigger house.  But that's where we are.  The drug companies are just a vivid example of how evil our society has become, due to the nature of their business.  But just look at the financial industry, auto industry, agribusiness, energy, physicians - none of them have any problem at all sacrificing the greater good of their fellow citizens to make a few extra bucks.





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                              Posted On Jan 29, 2009 
                              Some things should be above profit; however, we learn in 'school' that profit is king and that is the way of the world, never realizing that THAT way of the world was created by some, and the few benefit.

                              Pharma labs have the facilities, that is why they are approached.  You are right, though, they shouldn't be involved anyway, because everything they touch gets tainted and used against us or is shut down because there is no profit, just like the many free energy devices that we know of--and every other industry.  If you look at the players, they are all the same group. 

                              Private investors is not needed, but citizens that care about others is needed.  Not everything--outside the illusion, of course--should have to generate a profit.  I would like to see many healthy people, as I would like to be and cannot understand the sickness these individuals that operate these companies have.  I must be better than you; I must be more healthy than you; I must have more than you... for what?  They are misguided and, I would say, have been trained to be hateful and cruel. 

                              If you don't believe me, then do some serious research into who started the ADA, AMA, big Pharma, forced schooling etc., and you will see the same names mentioned.  I have a paper, can't find it now, that stated that the largest 200 corps in the world had just over 250 different board members--talk about inbreed thought.  



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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              that is how capitalizm ends. we have arrived at the end of it, now it turns into fascizm and war on the citizens. them against us. socializm now feels like a breath of fresh air. I know what i am talking about, have lived 20 years under socializm 


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                        Posted On Jan 29, 2009 
                        What sickens me most about this world of illusion is the manipulation and deceit by those in power.  Billy Boy Gates gives how many millions to drug pusher pharma to create vaccines to 'cure' people (not actually cure them, of course)?  Warren Buffet put Billy in charge of $30B for charity... okay, figure this:

                        If a lab costs $400M to set up, then you set aside $1B for operating expenses--money will be gaining interest, but if not, it wouldn't matter--you could supply many diabetics, including myself, with a cure, or at least a temporary cure (meaning if you had to do it every few years, okay).

                        Scam and sorry SOBs rule the world.  Seriously, look at the Billionaires in this world, their money coming from us in large part, and see what they have done.  BG is touted as a Philanthropist, but it is time to step up and help people outside the round table they sit at.  It is their responsibility of life?  No.  But don't say you are interested in helping whey all your interest is in funding your partners genetic research firm for pharma and the like.  Do something!

                        We all know, or at least those that research, that Stanford is home of Eugenics, so do you really believe they would try to raise funds?  Some may, perhaps, but in large, I would say no, they wouldn't try to get funding for a non-profit lab curing people.



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                              Posted On Jan 29, 2009 
                              Don't let Mr Gates philanthropy fool you.  He owns tons of stock in the pharmaceutical companies and makes  quite a bit of money because of vaccines. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        when i read this article I cried. My mom has had type 1 diabetes since she was a kid and she does not know what its like to live a normal life. She always has to check her blood sugar and take her insulin shots. Sometimes her sugars are low and she has to eat something even tho she feels like crud and the very smell of food is even detestable. There are no telling how many times I have walked into the house and found her on the floor JUST IN TIME to save her life. When I call her house and she doesn't answer her phone my heart pounds out of my chest. There are no words to describe how I feel for everyone out there that is effected by this disease. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        My 9 yr old daughter has been a Type 1 diabetic since she was 5 years old. We have high hopes for stem-cell research, but realise that pharmaceutical companies will not have an invested interest in finding or funding this sort of cure.Having said that, the types of insulin treatment available for diabetics today is vastly different from that of 10 or 20 years ago - no boiling up stainless steel syringes etc. There are two excellent websites I can recommend for diabetics in addition to Dr. Mercola - Dr. Richard Bernstein www.diabetes-book.com and www.dsolve.com 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        Do I detect a hint of disdain for type II diabetics in Mercola's comments? Probably, all judgment aside, we are deserving of a go with stem cells as well. 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              A la mer, it's not a question of judgment. Stem cell therapy would be pointless for Type 2 diabetics since their pancreas still functions normally; the problem is at the cellular level. The application of stem cells could benefit the Type 1 diabetic, whose pancreas has lost the ability to make insulin. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        What about the recent documentary "Raw for 30 days?" 6 diabetics cure themselves by eating raw vegan food for 30 days at a treatment center run by Gabriel Cousens at the Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center. Check it out at http://www.Rawfor30days.com Not sure why Dr.Mercola hasn't mentioned this?? I love & respect ya Doc so I believe there must be a reason. 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              The reason is that a number of you are confusing type I and type II diabetes. Type II is almost completely preventable and curable by lifestyle/nutrition choices, Nothing is more effective, Type I Diabetics, totally different, no cure, just substituting injections for the insulin that isn't there. A true cure would be a modern medical miracle. Blogs are interesting, but definitely not an intellectual forum. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        "The sad thing about type 1 diabetes is that it now appears nearly completely preventable. New research suggests if a pregnant woman has optimal vitamin D levels during her pregnancy and then maintains them in her baby once delivered, this should radically reduce if not virtually eliminate type 1 diabetes." "nearly completely" These are mutually exclusive?? If you're going to claim type 1 diabetes is completely preventable, please report the scientific studies that back this up about the pregnant mother not having enough vitamin D!!! This is of upmost importance to all the mothers of people having type 1 diabetes or those that would like to prevent this. How irresponsible! 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              Results documented in THE CHINA STUDY by T. Colin Campbell, page 187 ff, point to some infants' reaction to cow's milk early in life as a possible cause of Type 1 diabetes. A child weaned too soon onto cow's milk may produce undigested proteins so similar to pancreas cells that the immune system confounds the two and attacks the pancreas as if it were a foreign invader. His evidence is very persuasive. He also shows that while Type ! diabetes is indeed incurable, a plant-based diet can dramatically reduce the need for insulin. The China Study is possibly the most comprehensive long-term nutritional study ever conducted. 


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                              Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                              THANK YOU!!!!!! 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        "Ryke Geerd Hamer - Dr. Hamer's "German New Medicine" (GNM), operates under the premise that every disease originates from an unexpected shock experience, and that all disease can be cured by resolving these underlying emotional traumas. Despite a 95 percent success rate, Dr. Hamer has spent time in prison for refusing to disavow his medical findings and stop treating his patients with his unorthodox techniques, and is currently living in exile, seeking asylum from persecution." I've felt this all along. In 1974, Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Barry Ashbee was struck in the eye with a puck during their semi-final play-off round against the New York Rangers. He was blinded in one eye and retired. Three years later, he was diagnosed with leukemia, and died three weeks later. The Flyers retired his jersey, have an award in his name. Each year they have a carnival for cancer research in his name. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        Excellent comments. I especially appreciate your insights on adult stem cells, a potential problem with them as a patient advances in age, and someone finding a solution. I have known for some time that adult stem cells have been successful in clinical development, whereas embryonic stem cells have not been. The key sticking point with most people is their mistaken belief that adult stem cells are not even pluripotent, much less totipotent. In fact, adult stem cells *are* pluripotent and some investigators have found ways to *make* them totipotent. That aside, it's good to keep those tips coming on prevention. I believe that a time will shortly come in which we all will be placed on waitlists for conventional treatment. The best thing we can do, therefore, is to obviate it. They're learning that lesson right now in the UK and elsewhere in the Commonwealth, and our fellow countrymen will have to learn it here, too. And we're the ones to educate them. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        I am a Type 1 diabetic and have been for 17 years. I am now on an insulin pump. Obviously this article and some of the comments that follow are intriguing to me. Does anyone or Dr. Mercola, if you are reading this, know of ANYONE who is doing these treatments? I am utterly tired of being diabetic. I ate raw foods for years, and while it was all good, the only thing it did was lower my needs for insulin. And while that is good, that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a CURE. I still eat raw foods but not exclusively. 


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                        Posted On Feb 14, 2009 
                        In 2006 two researchers in Toronto ( Dr. Hans Dosch and Dr. Michael Salter) theorized that faulty pancreatic pain neurons were to blame for Type 1 Diabetes. www.naturalnews.com/021345.html in part: "Dosch had observed in previous research that islet cells in diabetics were surrounded by an "enormous" number of pain nerves that signaled the brain that the pancreatic tissue was damaged.To test their theory, Dosch and Salter injected capsaicin into mice that had Type 1 diabetes, to kill the animals' pancreatic pain nerves. The researchers said they were stunned to discover that the injected mice's islet cells began producing insulin normally almost immediately. "I couldn't believe it," Salter said. "Mice with diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes anymore." Dosch and Salter discovered on further research that the pancreatic nerve cells were a vital part of the functioning of islet cells, by secreting neuropeptides that tell the islets to release insulin. The nerves weren't secreting enough neuropeptides, causing a "vicious cycle" of stress on the islets. The researchers then injected the neuropeptide -- dubbed "substance P" -- into the pancreases of the diabetic mice. The mice's islet inflammation rapidly cleared up, and the animals' diabetes disappeared. According to Dosch and Salter, some mice have remained "cured" for up to four months with a single injection." How can this kind of information along with the stem cell treatment be blatantly ignored? Where and to whom do we turn for help? I am thoroughly saddened by the corrupt parasites who would rather pocket a fortune from the suffering of those with Type 1 diabetes than see the cure. 


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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Feb 15 00:46:03 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:46:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Hi Debbie,
Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do you want
them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide you as you
live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for you, test
your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, it is
totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work that is
necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot do that
for you. 

I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or medical
team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that will cure
you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are definitely in
for a huge disappointment.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?

i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42 years
i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a thing to
help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do to
live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very crooked
to me.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Hi Debbie,
> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was 
> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida 
> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the publication 
> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or, 
> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>
> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession 
> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them 
> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be 
> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all 
> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
>
> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been 
> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just 
> make a buck.
> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The 
> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin 
> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new 
> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my 
> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, they 
> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me 
> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my A1C 
> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
>
> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical 
> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with a 
> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more 
> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of their 
> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as 
> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this list 
> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say 
> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about the 
> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on this 
> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>
> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep 
> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
diabetes.
> It
> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital 
> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a 
> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as 
> being made up of good people, for anything. .
>
> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
> Eileen
> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of 
> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the 
> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
> oh well!
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Debbie:
>>
>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are 
>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for 
>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's & 
>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a 
>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to 
>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a 
>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's 
>> give away services for free?  I think not.
>>
>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus 
>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information 
>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to 
>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the 
>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being 
>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field 
>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>>> Debbie
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the 
>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this 
>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and 
>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from 
>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and 
>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is 
>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among 
>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>>> Gathering
>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education 
>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff 
>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such 
>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made 
>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which 
>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some 
>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing 
>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the 
>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring 
>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited
or no vision.
>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>>> Maurer
>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is 
>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in the
spring.
>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working 
>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to, 
>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>>
>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks 
>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them 
>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the 
>>>> Diabetic publication.
>>>>
>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
>>>> Representative
>>>>
>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice"
>>>> our
>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>>>
>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is 
>>>> why we are
>>>>
>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but 
>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure 
>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>>>
>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has 
>>>> been concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for 
>>>> this publication and the
>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
>>>> is
>>>> over
>>>> three hundred thousand .
>>>>
>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and 
>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>>>
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Sun Feb 15 01:00:55 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:00:55 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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And Deb,
You have to do the work.  The Dr. can't test and count your carbs for you.
The suggestions Dr's make to us come from what they have learned about 
Diabetes.
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Hi Debbie,
> Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do you 
> want
> them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide you as 
> you
> live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for you, 
> test
> your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, it is
> totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work that is
> necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot do that
> for you.
>
> I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or 
> medical
> team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that will 
> cure
> you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are definitely 
> in
> for a huge disappointment.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
> i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42 
> years
> i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a thing 
> to
> help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do to
> live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very crooked
> to me.
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Hi Debbie,
>> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was
>> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida
>> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the publication
>> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or,
>> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>>
>> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession
>> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them
>> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be
>> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all
>> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
>>
>> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been
>> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just
>> make a buck.
>> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The
>> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin
>> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new
>> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my
>> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, they
>> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me
>> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my A1C
>> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
>>
>> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical
>> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with a
>> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more
>> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of their
>> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as
>> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this list
>> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say
>> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about the
>> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on this
>> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>>
>> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep
>> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
> diabetes.
>> It
>> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital
>> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a
>> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as
>> being made up of good people, for anything. .
>>
>> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>> Eileen
>> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
>> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
>> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the
>> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
>> oh well!
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> Debbie:
>>>
>>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
>>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for
>>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's &
>>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
>>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
>>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
>>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's
>>> give away services for free?  I think not.
>>>
>>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
>>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus
>>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information
>>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to
>>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
>>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
>>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field
>>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>>>> Debbie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
>>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and
>>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from
>>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and
>>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is
>>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
>>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>>>> Gathering
>>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
>>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff
>>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such
>>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made
>>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which
>>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some
>>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing
>>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the
>>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited
> or no vision.
>>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>>>> Maurer
>>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is
>>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in the
> spring.
>>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working
>>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to,
>>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks
>>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them
>>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the
>>>>> Diabetic publication.
>>>>>
>>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>>>>> Representative
>>>>>
>>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to 
>>>>> "Voice"
>>>>> our
>>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>>>>
>>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is
>>>>> why we are
>>>>>
>>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but
>>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure
>>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has
>>>>> been concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for
>>>>> this publication and the
>>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication
>>>>> is
>>>>> over
>>>>> three hundred thousand .
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
>>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joyce
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From paujor at fuse.net  Sun Feb 15 02:43:24 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
In-Reply-To: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl>
References: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002c01c98f17$2c6005c0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>

I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am totally
blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.  This
group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the voice, I
hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.  

I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 3
months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me for
using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to apply
blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't beep
to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings its
good-bye song, and shuts off.  
There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
else to do.  Any suggestions?  
Thanks in advance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here

hello  folks,
          
where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
know

thank you,jacky742
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Feb 15 02:51:58 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:51:58 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
Message-ID: <20090215025158.23363.86732@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Paul,
Welcome to the list,
I don't think Mike will shut the list down.
He will be creamated if he does loll.
I would ask for a new meter.
Because the prodigy that I am using, works quite well.
You get the information you are asking for.
Yes it takes time to learn how to do the strip.
And there are times when we get wrong readings as well.
But more than not we are doing well with the machine.
There are many places to get this machine,
so many can share where to get it.
Again welcome.

-- 
--Dar
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From kcc86 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 04:49:38 2009
From: kcc86 at hotmail.com (K C)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:49:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
References: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl>
	<002c01c98f17$2c6005c0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
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Hi, Paul and welcome to the group!  smiles.  My name is Kijuana.  I am also 
newly diagnosed as of October 31 of 2008.  I'm still trying to deal with my 
diagnoses so if you'd like to talk with someone new to this I'd be 
interested.

Now to the Autocode..  The Autocode is more for people with low vision than 
it is for totally blind people.  My state rehab services got me one and then 
people on this list suggested the Prodigy voice.  For one thing there is a 
very small, but detectable slot on the edge of the strips for your blood. 
Secondly the voice has a button on the front that will tell you your blood 
sugar reading as many times as you need to hear it.  And when you get enough 
blood onto the test strip the machine says, "Now testing."

Again, I welcome you to the group and hope you find the same level of 
support I have.  There's a lot to learn, and it can be really overwhelming, 
but it really does get easier.  Take care.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:43 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


>I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am 
>totally
> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.  This
> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the voice, 
> I
> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>
> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 3
> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me 
> for
> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to 
> apply
> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't 
> beep
> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings its
> good-bye song, and shuts off.
> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
> else to do.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>
> hello  folks,
>
> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare 
> pay
> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>
> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
> know
>
> thank you,jacky742
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 12:21:27 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
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Message-ID: <BAY131-DS24DF8238E178DD0D058D2A1B60@phx.gbl>

Paul, I am Cheryl.  I am an Medical Insurance Specialist I can help a lot in 
this matter. Please write me off list and let me know you problems.

Cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com


Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


> Paul,
> Welcome to the list,
> I don't think Mike will shut the list down.
> He will be creamated if he does loll.
> I would ask for a new meter.
> Because the prodigy that I am using, works quite well.
> You get the information you are asking for.
> Yes it takes time to learn how to do the strip.
> And there are times when we get wrong readings as well.
> But more than not we are doing well with the machine.
> There are many places to get this machine,
> so many can share where to get it.
> Again welcome.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 12:25:32 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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It is your diabetes not the doctors. I have kidney disease where I had to be 
on dialysis for 4 years and I had my transplant in 05 it is not the doctors 
responsibility to do anything I have to decide on back then whether to do 
dialysis or die is all my decisions.  They are doctors they cannot hold a 
gun to your head to be complient you have to do that.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> And Deb,
> You have to do the work.  The Dr. can't test and count your carbs for you.
> The suggestions Dr's make to us come from what they have learned about
> Diabetes.
> Di
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
> > Hi Debbie,
> > Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do you
> > want
> > them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide you as
> > you
> > live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for you,
> > test
> > your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, it is
> > totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work that 
> > is
> > necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot do 
> > that
> > for you.
> >
> > I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or
> > medical
> > team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that will
> > cure
> > you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are definitely
> > in
> > for a huge disappointment.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >
> > i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42
> > years
> > i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a 
> > thing
> > to
> > help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do 
> > to
> > live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very 
> > crooked
> > to me.
> > Debbie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >
> >
> >> Hi Debbie,
> >> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was
> >> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida
> >> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the publication
> >> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or,
> >> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
> >>
> >> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession
> >> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them
> >> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be
> >> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all
> >> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
> >>
> >> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been
> >> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just
> >> make a buck.
> >> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The
> >> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin
> >> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new
> >> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my
> >> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, they
> >> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me
> >> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my A1C
> >> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
> >>
> >> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical
> >> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with a
> >> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more
> >> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of their
> >> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as
> >> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this list
> >> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say
> >> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about the
> >> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on this
> >> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
> >>
> >> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep
> >> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
> > diabetes.
> >> It
> >> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital
> >> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a
> >> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as
> >> being made up of good people, for anything. .
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>
> >> Eileen
> >> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
> >> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
> >> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the
> >> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
> >> oh well!
> >> Debbie
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> >> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Debbie:
> >>>
> >>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
> >>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for
> >>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's &
> >>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
> >>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
> >>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
> >>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's
> >>> give away services for free?  I think not.
> >>>
> >>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
> >>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus
> >>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information
> >>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
> >>>
> >>> Eileen
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to
> >>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
> >>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
> >>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field
> >>>> is making a huge profit from it.
> >>>> Debbie
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
> >>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
> >>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and
> >>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from
> >>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and
> >>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is
> >>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
> >>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
> >>>>> Gathering
> >>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
> >>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff
> >>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such
> >>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made
> >>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which
> >>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some
> >>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing
> >>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the
> >>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
> >>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with 
> >>>>> limited
> > or no vision.
> >>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
> >>>>> Maurer
> >>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is
> >>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in the
> > spring.
> >>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working
> >>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to,
> >>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
> >>>>> All the best,
> >>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
> >>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks
> >>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them
> >>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the
> >>>>> Diabetic publication.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
> >>>>> Representative
> >>>>>
> >>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to
> >>>>> "Voice"
> >>>>> our
> >>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is
> >>>>> why we are
> >>>>>
> >>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but
> >>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure
> >>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has
> >>>>> been concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for
> >>>>> this publication and the
> >>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this 
> >>>>> publication
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> over
> >>>>> three hundred thousand .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
> >>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joyce
> >>>>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >>>>> org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
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> >>>>> a
> >>>>> ncing%40sbcglobal.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
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> >>>> vani%40verizon.net
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/danspac
> >> h%40ta
> >> mpabay.rr.com
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> ing%40sbcglobal.net
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 12:26:31 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
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Change the batteries.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K C" <kcc86 at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


> Hi, Paul and welcome to the group!  smiles.  My name is Kijuana.  I am 
> also
> newly diagnosed as of October 31 of 2008.  I'm still trying to deal with 
> my
> diagnoses so if you'd like to talk with someone new to this I'd be
> interested.
>
> Now to the Autocode..  The Autocode is more for people with low vision 
> than
> it is for totally blind people.  My state rehab services got me one and 
> then
> people on this list suggested the Prodigy voice.  For one thing there is a
> very small, but detectable slot on the edge of the strips for your blood.
> Secondly the voice has a button on the front that will tell you your blood
> sugar reading as many times as you need to hear it.  And when you get 
> enough
> blood onto the test strip the machine says, "Now testing."
>
> Again, I welcome you to the group and hope you find the same level of
> support I have.  There's a lot to learn, and it can be really 
> overwhelming,
> but it really does get easier.  Take care.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:43 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
>
> >I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
> >totally
> > blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication. 
> > This
> > group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
> > voice,
> > I
> > hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
> >
> > I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
> > rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 
> > 3
> > months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
> > issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me
> > for
> > using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to
> > apply
> > blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't
> > beep
> > to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
> > its
> > good-bye song, and shuts off.
> > There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
> > else to do.  Any suggestions?
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
> >
> > hello  folks,
> >
> > where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare
> > pay
> > for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
> >
> > is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
> > know
> >
> > thank you,jacky742
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/paujor%40fuse
> > .net
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> > 02/12/09
> > 18:46:00
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
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From paujor at fuse.net  Sun Feb 15 14:08:37 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
In-Reply-To: <BAY131-DS733A59468E5DBE5D4F7F8A1B60@phx.gbl>
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I did.
Thanks anyway.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:27 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction

Change the batteries.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K C" <kcc86 at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


> Hi, Paul and welcome to the group!  smiles.  My name is Kijuana.  I am 
> also
> newly diagnosed as of October 31 of 2008.  I'm still trying to deal with 
> my
> diagnoses so if you'd like to talk with someone new to this I'd be
> interested.
>
> Now to the Autocode..  The Autocode is more for people with low vision 
> than
> it is for totally blind people.  My state rehab services got me one and 
> then
> people on this list suggested the Prodigy voice.  For one thing there is a
> very small, but detectable slot on the edge of the strips for your blood.
> Secondly the voice has a button on the front that will tell you your blood
> sugar reading as many times as you need to hear it.  And when you get 
> enough
> blood onto the test strip the machine says, "Now testing."
>
> Again, I welcome you to the group and hope you find the same level of
> support I have.  There's a lot to learn, and it can be really 
> overwhelming,
> but it really does get easier.  Take care.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:43 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
>
> >I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
> >totally
> > blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication. 
> > This
> > group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
> > voice,
> > I
> > hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
> >
> > I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
> > rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 
> > 3
> > months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
> > issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me
> > for
> > using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to
> > apply
> > blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't
> > beep
> > to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
> > its
> > good-bye song, and shuts off.
> > There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
> > else to do.  Any suggestions?
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
> >
> > hello  folks,
> >
> > where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare
> > pay
> > for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
> >
> > is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
> > know
> >
> > thank you,jacky742
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 15 14:42:01 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:42:01 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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u r right about that doctors can't do anything about it diabetes that is. 
Including find a cure cause all they do is fail at it cause that's all they 
have ever done. i don't buy the "can't" i believe it's "won't" too much 
money in it for them
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> It is your diabetes not the doctors. I have kidney disease where I had to 
> be on dialysis for 4 years and I had my transplant in 05 it is not the 
> doctors responsibility to do anything I have to decide on back then 
> whether to do dialysis or die is all my decisions.  They are doctors they 
> cannot hold a gun to your head to be complient you have to do that.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> And Deb,
>> You have to do the work.  The Dr. can't test and count your carbs for 
>> you.
>> The suggestions Dr's make to us come from what they have learned about
>> Diabetes.
>> Di
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>> > Hi Debbie,
>> > Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do you
>> > want
>> > them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide you as
>> > you
>> > live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for you,
>> > test
>> > your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, it is
>> > totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work that 
>> > is
>> > necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot do 
>> > that
>> > for you.
>> >
>> > I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or
>> > medical
>> > team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that will
>> > cure
>> > you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are 
>> > definitely
>> > in
>> > for a huge disappointment.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
>> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >
>> > i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42
>> > years
>> > i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a 
>> > thing
>> > to
>> > help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do 
>> > to
>> > live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very 
>> > crooked
>> > to me.
>> > Debbie
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Debbie,
>> >> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was
>> >> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida
>> >> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the publication
>> >> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or,
>> >> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>> >>
>> >> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession
>> >> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them
>> >> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be
>> >> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all
>> >> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
>> >>
>> >> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been
>> >> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just
>> >> make a buck.
>> >> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The
>> >> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin
>> >> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new
>> >> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my
>> >> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, they
>> >> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me
>> >> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my A1C
>> >> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
>> >>
>> >> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical
>> >> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with a
>> >> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more
>> >> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of their
>> >> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as
>> >> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this list
>> >> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say
>> >> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about the
>> >> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on this
>> >> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>> >>
>> >> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep
>> >> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
>> > diabetes.
>> >> It
>> >> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital
>> >> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a
>> >> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as
>> >> being made up of good people, for anything. .
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>
>> >> Eileen
>> >> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
>> >> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
>> >> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the
>> >> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
>> >> oh well!
>> >> Debbie
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Debbie:
>> >>>
>> >>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
>> >>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for
>> >>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's &
>> >>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
>> >>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
>> >>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
>> >>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's
>> >>> give away services for free?  I think not.
>> >>>
>> >>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
>> >>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus
>> >>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information
>> >>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>> >>>
>> >>> Eileen
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to
>> >>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
>> >>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
>> >>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field
>> >>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>> >>>> Debbie
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>> >>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
>> >>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and
>> >>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from
>> >>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and
>> >>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is
>> >>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
>> >>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>> >>>>> Gathering
>> >>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
>> >>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff
>> >>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such
>> >>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made
>> >>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which
>> >>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some
>> >>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing
>> >>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the
>> >>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>> >>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with 
>> >>>>> limited
>> > or no vision.
>> >>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>> >>>>> Maurer
>> >>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is
>> >>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in the
>> > spring.
>> >>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working
>> >>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to,
>> >>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>> >>>>> All the best,
>> >>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>> >>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks
>> >>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them
>> >>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the
>> >>>>> Diabetic publication.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>> >>>>> Representative
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to
>> >>>>> "Voice"
>> >>>>> our
>> >>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is
>> >>>>> why we are
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but
>> >>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure
>> >>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has
>> >>>>> been concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for
>> >>>>> this publication and the
>> >>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this 
>> >>>>> publication
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> over
>> >>>>> three hundred thousand .
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
>> >>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Joyce
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Sun Feb 15 17:59:01 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:59:01 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Holy cow Debbie!
Do you know how far research has come?
When I was first diagnosed, there were not meters...I had to do a urine 
strip dip!
There are many diabetics that came before me that never even had that.
A lot of people believe the way you do about the money thing when it comes 
to cancer, but it is so complicated, it will take a while to find a cure.
Mass General is finally doing human studies on diabetes, after many years of 
looking how it affects mice.
There really is progress being made.
The Hippocratic Oath does not allow doctors to say "can't" or "won't".
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


>u r right about that doctors can't do anything about it diabetes that is. 
>Including find a cure cause all they do is fail at it cause that's all they 
>have ever done. i don't buy the "can't" i believe it's "won't" too much 
>money in it for them
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> It is your diabetes not the doctors. I have kidney disease where I had to 
>> be on dialysis for 4 years and I had my transplant in 05 it is not the 
>> doctors responsibility to do anything I have to decide on back then 
>> whether to do dialysis or die is all my decisions.  They are doctors they 
>> cannot hold a gun to your head to be complient you have to do that.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> And Deb,
>>> You have to do the work.  The Dr. can't test and count your carbs for 
>>> you.
>>> The suggestions Dr's make to us come from what they have learned about
>>> Diabetes.
>>> Di
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi Debbie,
>>> > Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do you
>>> > want
>>> > them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide you 
>>> > as
>>> > you
>>> > live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for 
>>> > you,
>>> > test
>>> > your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, it 
>>> > is
>>> > totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work 
>>> > that is
>>> > necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot do 
>>> > that
>>> > for you.
>>> >
>>> > I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or
>>> > medical
>>> > team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that will
>>> > cure
>>> > you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are 
>>> > definitely
>>> > in
>>> > for a huge disappointment.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
>>> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >
>>> > i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42
>>> > years
>>> > i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a 
>>> > thing
>>> > to
>>> > help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do 
>>> > to
>>> > live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very 
>>> > crooked
>>> > to me.
>>> > Debbie
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
>>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Debbie,
>>> >> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was
>>> >> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida
>>> >> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the publication
>>> >> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or,
>>> >> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>>> >>
>>> >> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession
>>> >> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make 
>>> >> them
>>> >> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be
>>> >> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us 
>>> >> all
>>> >> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been
>>> >> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just
>>> >> make a buck.
>>> >> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. 
>>> >> The
>>> >> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin
>>> >> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new
>>> >> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my
>>> >> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, 
>>> >> they
>>> >> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me
>>> >> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my A1C
>>> >> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
>>> >>
>>> >> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical
>>> >> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with a
>>> >> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more
>>> >> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of their
>>> >> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as
>>> >> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this list
>>> >> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say
>>> >> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about the
>>> >> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on this
>>> >> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>>> >>
>>> >> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep
>>> >> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
>>> > diabetes.
>>> >> It
>>> >> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital
>>> >> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a
>>> >> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as
>>> >> being made up of good people, for anything. .
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
>>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >>
>>> >> Eileen
>>> >> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
>>> >> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
>>> >> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the
>>> >> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
>>> >> oh well!
>>> >> Debbie
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>> >> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Debbie:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
>>> >>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay 
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's &
>>> >>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
>>> >>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
>>> >>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
>>> >>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's
>>> >>> give away services for free?  I think not.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
>>> >>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus
>>> >>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good 
>>> >>> information
>>> >>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Eileen
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>>> >>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related 
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
>>> >>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
>>> >>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field
>>> >>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>>> >>>> Debbie
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello All,
>>> >>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>>> >>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
>>> >>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and
>>> >>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in 
>>> >>>>> from
>>> >>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and
>>> >>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic 
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
>>> >>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>> >>>>> Gathering
>>> >>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
>>> >>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for 
>>> >>>>> staff
>>> >>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such
>>> >>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made
>>> >>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which
>>> >>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some
>>> >>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing
>>> >>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the
>>> >>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>>> >>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with 
>>> >>>>> limited
>>> > or no vision.
>>> >>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>> >>>>> Maurer
>>> >>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is
>>> >>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in the
>>> > spring.
>>> >>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working
>>> >>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try 
>>> >>>>> to,
>>> >>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>> >>>>> All the best,
>>> >>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>> >>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks
>>> >>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have 
>>> >>>>> them
>>> >>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the
>>> >>>>> Diabetic publication.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>>> >>>>> Representative
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to
>>> >>>>> "Voice"
>>> >>>>> our
>>> >>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is
>>> >>>>> why we are
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, 
>>> >>>>> but
>>> >>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure
>>> >>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has
>>> >>>>> been concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for
>>> >>>>> this publication and the
>>> >>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this 
>>> >>>>> publication
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> over
>>> >>>>> three hundred thousand .
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
>>> >>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that 
>>> >>>>> ?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Joyce
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>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 15 19:20:03 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:20:03 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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what expect is "the cure" the medical field has promised for the past 41 
years. or is that just more of what they  "can't" do? they just don't want 
to read the info i posted to the Type 1 diabetics.

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> Hi Debbie,
> Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do you 
> want
> them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide you as 
> you
> live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for you, 
> test
> your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, it is
> totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work that is
> necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot do that
> for you.
>
> I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or 
> medical
> team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that will 
> cure
> you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are definitely 
> in
> for a huge disappointment.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
> i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 42 
> years
> i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a thing 
> to
> help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to do to
> live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very crooked
> to me.
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> Hi Debbie,
>> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was
>> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in Florida
>> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the publication
>> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, or,
>> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>>
>> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical profession
>> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make them
>> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be
>> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us all
>> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons why.
>>
>> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been
>> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to just
>> make a buck.
>> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. The
>> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin
>> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new
>> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my
>> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, they
>> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me
>> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my A1C
>> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
>>
>> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical
>> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with a
>> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more
>> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of their
>> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as
>> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this list
>> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say
>> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about the
>> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on this
>> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>>
>> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to keep
>> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
> diabetes.
>> It
>> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the hospital
>> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a
>> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as
>> being made up of good people, for anything. .
>>
>> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>> Eileen
>> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off of
>> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with it.
>> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have the
>> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
>> oh well!
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>>> Debbie:
>>>
>>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who are
>>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay for
>>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's &
>>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
>>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
>>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
>>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's
>>> give away services for free?  I think not.
>>>
>>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color pictures?
>>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the focus
>>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good information
>>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>
>>>
>>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything related to
>>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
>>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
>>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical field
>>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>>>> Debbie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of the
>>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
>>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design and
>>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in from
>>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print and
>>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the Diabetic is
>>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
>>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>>>>> Gathering
>>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
>>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for staff
>>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities such
>>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has made
>>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, which
>>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that some
>>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing
>>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did the
>>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with limited
> or no vision.
>>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>>>>> Maurer
>>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is
>>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in the
> spring.
>>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed working
>>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try to,
>>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks
>>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them
>>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the
>>>>> Diabetic publication.
>>>>>
>>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>>>>> Representative
>>>>>
>>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to 
>>>>> "Voice"
>>>>> our
>>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>>>>>
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A Possible Cure for Diabetes Ignored by Big Pharma 


Twelve years ago, Professor Irving Weissman discovered a treatment that could have saved the lives of thousands of women with advanced breast cancer. Pharmaceutical companies weren't interested in developing the therapy at the time.
Though interest in his methods are finally being ignited, Weissman regrets the wasted time. In a set of lectures, Weissman repeatedly expressed frustration that while many of his discoveries in the field of stem cell research seemed to hold remarkable potential for life-saving treatments, commercial or regulatory hurdles have prevented his scientific findings from benefiting patients.
One example is Weissman's research on type I diabetes, in which he demonstrated the ability to fully cure type I diabetes in mice using stem cells. But even though his experiments avoided political controversy by using adult stem cells, which do not come from embryos, Weissman ran into a road block when pharmaceutical companies refused to sponsor clinical trials.
Weissman believes that the pharmaceutical companies put profit over principle, preferring to keep diabetes sufferers dependent on costly insulin than to cure them once and for all.

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Type 1 diabetes, or insulin dependent diabetes, is a really sad chronic condition. This is in stark contrast to type 2, which is caused by insulin resistance and faulty leptin signaling, due to inappropriate diet and lack of exercise - an entirely preventable, and nearly 100 percent reversible condition through lifestyle modifications.
Type 1 diabetics, however, do not produce insulin and must therefore inject insulin several times a day. The disease tends to progress rather quickly and therefore needs to be diagnosed early, as it can result in serious long-term complications including blindness, kidney failure, heart disease and stroke. 
Tragically those with type 1 diabetes can have the healthiest lifestyle possible yet still suffer many diseases, as current technology is a poor substitute for a fully functioning pancreas. The sad thing about type 1 diabetes is that it now appears nearly completely preventable.? New research suggests if a pregnant woman has optimal vitamin D levels during her pregnancy and then maintains them in her baby once delivered, this should radically reduce if not virtually eliminate type 1 diabetes.?
Obviously finding out this information after a person has had their pancreatic islet cells destroyed and is insulin dependent doesn't help much, but the good news is that within your lifetime we will have developed the ability to safely replace these cells, most likely with similar approaches to the one described in the article above.?
If this sounds farfetched, you should know that Dr. Weissman is not the only scientist to lay claim to the power of stem cells to cure type 1 diabetes. 
In 2007 the British Times Online reported on the first clinical evidence for the efficacy of Hematopoietic stem cells (stem cells derived from bone marrow) in type 1 diabetes.???
The Brazilian study, published in Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), found that treatment-related toxicity was low, with zero mortality. All but two of the volunteers (93 percent) in the trial did not require daily insulin injections for up to three years after the end of their treatment, as the therapy allowed their bodies to start producing the hormone naturally again.?
The main drawback with the particular therapy used in that study, from my standpoint, is that drugs were used to first suppress the patients' immune system before receiving transfusions of stem cells drawn from their own blood. Suppression of your immune system could lead to all types of health problems - after all, your immune system is your primary line of defense - however, the theory of using stem cells to reactivate natural insulin production is an intriguing and hopeful one.
Does Big Pharma Want to Find a Cure for Diabetes?
It certainly would not make financial sense, and I think it's fairly safe to say that pharmaceutical companies are in business these days to make money - not to actually cure disease. So, when Dr. Weissman implies that he was unable to entice pharmaceutical sponsors because they prefer to keep diabetes sufferers dependent on costly insulin, he's probably not far off.
There are numerous examples of well-educated, innovative doctors and scientists who have created alternative medical treatments that far supersede conventional drug treatments, and yet they are more frequently than not shunned, persecuted, or even prosecuted for their efforts. 
At least Dr. Weissman did not suffer a fate similar to any of these doctors:??
Gaston Naessens - Dr. Naessens cancer treatment is based on the theory that cancer is caused by a friendly microorganism called somatids ("little bodies") -- which are present in all cells -- that becomes unfriendly. His formula, 714X, provides nitrogen to the cancer cells, thus causing this microorganism to cease excreting their toxic compounds, and mobilize your immune system to kill the cancer cells. He was subsequently put on trial for his cancer discoveries. 
?Stanislaw?Burzynski -- Dr. Burzynski, founder of the Houston-based Burzynski Institute, treats cancer patients with substances called antineoplastons. He was indicted by a grand jury in 1995 for his use of antineoplastons- his second trial that year. He was acquitted.? 
Ryke Geerd Hamer - Dr. Hamer's "German New Medicine" (GNM), operates under the premise that every disease originates from an unexpected shock experience, and that all disease can be cured by resolving these underlying emotional traumas. Despite a 95 percent success rate, Dr. Hamer has spent time in prison for refusing to disavow his medical findings and stop treating his patients with his unorthodox techniques, and is currently living in exile, seeking asylum from persecution.?
Adult Stem Cell Treatments are the Wave of the Future
I believe therapies using adult stem cells - as opposed to embryonic stem cells which are at the heart of the stem cell controversy - is and will continue to be a major, exciting part of the future of medicine. 
There's little risk of rejection when using your own adult stem cells, so you're less likely to need dangerous immunosuppressive drugs. And besides certain ethical issues and regulatory barriers to embryonic stem cell therapy, adult stem cells may hold several technical advantages. For one, they may be more viable.??
It's a little known fact that only about 30 percent of conceptions advance to term. In other words, about 70 percent of embryos may be so defective that they naturally abort.?
In addition to eventually helping restore internal organs, immune systems and more, adult stem cell therapies also hold the promise of restoring old skin and bald scalps. I am personally beta testing a new product for regrowing hair that has adult stem cell factors (primarily peptides, no DNA) ?and have been favorably impressed with the results to date.?? 

One major player in the field is The Maximum Life Foundation. They have discovered an emerging technology that could fine tune stem cell treatments and make every adult stem cell therapy in the world much more safe and effective. 
As you age, your stem cells diminish in quality and quantity, so just when you require strong stem cells the most, you're becoming deficient. Hence your organs and tissues eventually wear out and need to be restored or replaced. 
Cells become randomly damaged or mutated over time, but a small percentage may incur relatively little damage-or may escape damage altogether. So some of your stem cells may be as pristine as those that you enjoyed as a teenager, or even as an infant. 
The technology discovered by The Maximum Life Foundation??identifies, isolates, and amplifies those "pristine" stem cells from your own population for therapies. This selection process could supercharge stem cell treatments by using these "best of breed" cells instead of old cells. 
Stem Cell Treatments Have Been Proven to Work?
As a bridge to human therapies, a San Diego company has already given us a peek into the future with their horse and dog treatments. Vet-Stem provides a quick-turnaround laboratory service that lets veterinarians to use regenerative cells in animals.??
The veterinarian simply collects a small fat sample from the patient and ships it overnight to the Vet-Stem laboratory. Then, Vet-Stem processes the sample, concentrates the cells which are shipped in ready-to-inject syringes. Finally, the veterinarian injects the cells directly into the injured site.?
With more than 3,000 horses treated and multiple studies demonstrating the success and safety of their regenerative medicine, Vet-Stem currently helps horses and dogs with fractures, joint disease, or tendon or ligament injuries return to their full level of ability.?
Just imagine what the prospects for aged humans might be if similar treatments used pristine human stem cells. Type 1 diabetes wouldn't be the only chronic disease that could be effectively wiped out.
However, despite Dr. Weissman's negative experiences in trying to bring his findings to the fore, it's not completely out of the question yet. In an accompanying editorial in JAMA titled "Cellular therapy for type 1 diabetes: has the time come?" Dr Jay Skyler of the Diabetes Research Institute at the University of Miami, wrote: 
"Research in this field is likely to explode in the next few years and should include randomized controlled trials, as well as mechanistic studies."

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It is overly simplistic to say that big pharma only cares about making a profit. Their primary goal is to keep the public sick, weak, fearful, dependent and ignorant. Profit is secondary. As J. Edgar Hoover said, "The individual is handicapped when he confronts a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." And he was part of it! Big pharma is owned by the same families that own the banks, the political system, the media and more. Their goal right now is to kill about five billion people in order to make the human herd easier to manage. They already own the world so they don't need more money. The profits they make are just a cover story for their real agenda. Did you know that the top guys at the National Institute for Health and the Center for Disease Control are all military intelligence officers? Their job is to kill people, not make them healthy. Listen to free MP3 downloads at http://drop.io/Summerbird Most of the files are interviews from the Alex Jones radio show with numerous people on various subjects including the elite plan to kill most of us. 



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Here is your support 'libertyvalance': http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/history_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm 




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Somewhere along the way of time and history it probably should've been known it would come to this. Start preparing for the future resistance then (like the Terminator future minus the machines and plasma guns), when and if the time should come. I was at Target the other day, and saw a book by Kevin Trudeau. He works in natural cures too, and he says the exact same. Pharma and the federal government is doing everything in its power to stop natural medicine, that they use Gestapo tactics too. People disappear, are kept quiet, with their research seized in raids at gunpoint. And to think about what he says, it makes sense that they have an interest to hide the real cures and keep people sick in an endless cycle of sickness. Their goal, or at least one of them, is to keep people sick but alive for as long as possible so they can keep their business going. Say there was a herbal plant, found in the Amazon, whose tea could cure cancer. If the world knew of this plant, there's no money to be made. Phama wouldn't make money off their cancer drugs, their line of cancer vaccines (like Gardasil). There would be no need for the Ameican Cancer Association, or chemo, or cancer doctors. If there was no sickness, Phama and medicinal practices have no need to exist. 




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Another cure that has been left unnoticed can be found here: http://www.treat-cancer.nl/ 




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Drug companies are about their bottom line. It's all about the money not about saving lives or curing disease.

I've just come through (almost) an unnecessary medical procedure. Prescribed drugs caused side effects that more medication was prescribed for....which caused more side effects. When I could barely walk I decided to take back responsibility for my health.

My research led me to this site, among others, who are telling it like it is. I'll be writing about my personal experience and will post it here.




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It sad but to common of a story.





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some folks are going to think LibertValence is OTT, however when you look at the real Big Picture, he is on the side of correct! When they can dump tons of food into the ocean, rather than allow a 3rd world country very close by to have it for the cost of the extra fuel to ship it a little further? when safe natural alternatives are banned from sale.VIT B6 is the latest! than the ass#oles at MERK folks! when the FDA is staffed by exgovt military,financiers etc and has a revolving door. so they swap positions regularly, when vaccinations are pushed on the populace, when they can force people to take drugs they neither want or in truth need.When they are in close buddy buddy chats with the financiers, they control the food and home products we can access. well Big Brother and social control is it! and yes, i have heard a few others say exactly the same thing about needing to kill off /allow to die through neglect? a large percentage of the worlds populace. Sad thing is so many other countries are linked and following USA and their lousy methods. Either through knowing choice or by the leverage 'Free trade" and the compacts signed years back, that had some nasty hidden facets. Codex, the oslo agreements etc are all a whole lot uglier than many of us realise. Hussein and all the other Nutters at least are upfront and open about their plans, the real bastards are the ones that deny harm, say it is for our own good, or that of our country, and proceed to more damage than is recognised until it is too late. The medical/vacc plans in the new Bailout are VERY dodgy. and it has been passed without any time to allow full consideration, under the guise of financial emergency. read it and worry! 



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In 2005 I had a stroke and developed diabetes, I'm a disabled vet and it took them several months before they decided that I needed a glucose meter, they also made a appointment to see my primary care physician, I had started using my daughters meter and did a lot of research on diabetes, I found out that the Chinese treat it with Royal Jelly, so I had been taking 2 120mg caps 3 times a day for some time, when I was given the order that I was to start using insulin i refused, and asked why I would want to destroy my liver if there was a natural treatment that would do the same thing,I've been on the treatment eversince, but at a much reduced level, yes a good diet, and I can even have candy from time to time, just my story about the natural alternative 



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What is Royal Jelly and how does it help? Did you eat it plain? Please give more details, 




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Oh, my, as a nurse I am quite interested in your information regarding the Royal Jelly for diabetes. I do work in the medical field BUT I also, look for natural ways of treating health issues or ways of reducing one's risk for health problems!! This is a great site. Thanks!!!! 




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I'd like to know what your A1C was at the beginning and what it is now. How severe was your diabetes? 




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I hear about Royal Jelly all the time in tv commercials here in Japan! It's used mostly as a supplement for beautiful skin and feeing young and healthy. It's actually sold by pretty big companies here, so it seems to be a big money maker. And the capsules have many more times the power than the Royal Jelly you are taking. One company I found is 650 mg caps 2 times a day, another company reccomends a total of 1800mg a day, but mostly aimed at women 40 and above for healthy skin and overall health. 




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Wow. Thanks again Dr. Mercola for keeping real science alive instead of pseudoscience. 



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I love when Mercola is posting about HFCS, vaccines, mercury, Monsanto, and those types of things. The problem with this post is that a cure for diabetes has existed since the 1920s that never gets mentioned. Dr Max Gerson was curing cancer, diabetes, and any other known disease with the Gerson Therapy. It is primarily eating a raw organic diet, vegetable juices and coffee enemas. One of my best friends cured his own cancer with the Gerson Therapy. I cured my own diabetic condition with the Gerson Therapy, so did my wife. That's not all it cured either. My wife had severe PMDD, but that is gone now as well. I had a pressure in my stomach for nearly a decade, but that is gone now as well. Like Charlotte Gerson says, "you can't have one part of the body cure itself and another part still have a disease, when the body heals it heals". It all comes down to proper nutrition and detoxification. Simple. 




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Steve Sega, I believe you cured you TYPE TWO diabetes. I believe Dr. Mercola is referring to TYPE ONE. If this site is going to start focusing on conspiracy theories and blaming those who are suffering....UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW. 




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I know many of you think drug companies are evil, then why do you EXPECT them to fund some stem cell research, even if it may be promising.

Its a business, if it has marketability, then I'm sure private investors would be intersted, and also government grants.

I don't see why the pharma's should be expected to fund anything just if it may be the perceived benifit of humanity.




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You are absolutely correct Squarepusher.? What's amazing is not that the drug companies are bottom-line oriented, but that people actually expect these companies to make them healthy, when healthy people are the last thing they want.

The fact they have abandoned the antibiotic business, leaving it to small, poorly funded companies, should be all the evidence needed to know that curing disease is the last thing they are about.

Most people still don't grasp our society has degraded to the point that it's normal American behavior to sacrifice the health and very lives of thousands of people so one can live in a bigger house.? But that's where we are.? The drug companies are just a vivid example of how evil our society has become, due to the nature of their business.? But just look at the financial industry, auto industry, agribusiness, energy, physicians - none of them have any problem at all sacrificing the greater good of their fellow citizens to make a few extra bucks.







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Some things should be above profit; however, we learn in 'school' that profit is king and that is the way of the world, never realizing that THAT way of the world was created by some, and the few benefit.

Pharma labs have the facilities, that is why they are approached.? You are right, though, they shouldn't be involved anyway, because everything they touch gets tainted and used against us or is shut down because there is no profit, just like the many free energy devices that we know of--and every other industry.? If you look at the players, they are all the same group. 

Private investors is not needed, but citizens that care about others is needed.? Not everything--outside the illusion, of course--should have to generate a profit.? I would like to see many healthy people, as I would like to be and cannot understand the sickness these individuals that operate these companies have.? I must be better than you; I must be more healthy than you; I must have more than you... for what?? They are misguided and, I would say, have been trained to be hateful and cruel. 

If you don't believe me, then do some serious research into who started the ADA, AMA, big Pharma, forced schooling etc., and you will see the same names mentioned.? I have a paper, can't find it now, that stated that the largest 200 corps in the world had just over 250 different board members--talk about inbreed thought.? 





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that is how capitalizm ends. we have arrived at the end of it, now it turns into fascizm and war on the citizens. them against us. socializm now feels like a breath of fresh air. I know what i am talking about, have lived 20 years under socializm 




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It is true, I do not believe that big pharma's should be coerced into funding research for "natural" medicine. But, wouldn't it be a huge gesture of good will on their part to do so? Raw, natural, whole foods, etc., are not patentable, therefore big pharma never takes an interest in them. I wish there was some small company out there who would take an interest in producing high quality, natural medicines (like bio-identical hormones for women). In my mind, a small business who was more interested in promoting human health than big profits would probably make big profits anyway. Just my 3 cents (inflation). Personally, I think (as a former paralegal, now disabled) that big pharma and medical doctors have a conflict of interest when it comes to continuing education seminars...that are sponsored by big pharma and required for license renewal for MDs. Natural medicine articles reporting on natural medicine studies are routinely rejected by industry journals (JAMA for example). Such reports would have a detrimental effect on big pharma's bottom line, and we wouldn't want to risk the ire of our biggest journal advertisers (tongue in cheek). It makes me sick and mad all at the same time. Shoot! Now the secret is out, I have no respect for big pharma's or for their bottom line. 




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What sickens me most about this world of illusion is the manipulation and deceit by those in power.? Billy Boy Gates gives how many millions to drug pusher pharma to create vaccines to 'cure' people (not actually cure them, of course)?? Warren Buffet put Billy in charge of $30B for charity... okay, figure this:

If a lab costs $400M to set up, then you set aside $1B for operating expenses--money will be gaining interest, but if not, it wouldn't matter--you could supply many diabetics, including myself, with a cure, or at least a temporary cure (meaning if you had to do it every few years, okay).

Scam and sorry SOBs rule the world.? Seriously, look at the Billionaires in this world, their money coming from us in large part, and see what they have done.? BG is touted as a Philanthropist, but it is time to step up and help people outside the round table they sit at.? It is their responsibility of life?? No.? But don't say you are interested in helping whey all your interest is in funding your partners genetic research firm for pharma and the like.? Do something!

We all know, or at least those that research, that Stanford is home of Eugenics, so do you really believe they would try to raise funds?? Some may, perhaps, but in large, I would say no, they wouldn't try to get funding for a non-profit lab curing people.




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Don't let Mr Gates philanthropy fool you.? He owns tons of?stock in the pharmaceutical companies and makes??quite a bit of money because of vaccines. 




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when i read this article I cried. My mom has had type 1 diabetes since she was a kid and she does not know what its like to live a normal life. She always has to check her blood sugar and take her insulin shots. Sometimes her sugars are low and she has to eat something even tho she feels like crud and the very smell of food is even detestable. There are no telling how many times I have walked into the house and found her on the floor JUST IN TIME to save her life. When I call her house and she doesn't answer her phone my heart pounds out of my chest. There are no words to describe how I feel for everyone out there that is effected by this disease. 



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My 9 yr old daughter has been a Type 1 diabetic since she was 5 years old. We have high hopes for stem-cell research, but realise that pharmaceutical companies will not have an invested interest in finding or funding this sort of cure.Having said that, the types of insulin treatment available for diabetics today is vastly different from that of 10 or 20 years ago - no boiling up stainless steel syringes etc. There are two excellent websites I can recommend for diabetics in addition to Dr. Mercola - Dr. Richard Bernstein www.diabetes-book.com and www.dsolve.com 



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Suggestion: google David Mendosa's diabetes site - he is another that may help. 




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Do I detect a hint of disdain for type II diabetics in Mercola's comments? Probably, all judgment aside, we are deserving of a go with stem cells as well. 



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A la mer, it's not a question of judgment. Stem cell therapy would be pointless for Type 2 diabetics since their pancreas still functions normally; the problem is at the cellular level. The application of stem cells could benefit the Type 1 diabetic, whose pancreas has lost the ability to make insulin. 




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What about the recent documentary "Raw for 30 days?" 6 diabetics cure themselves by eating raw vegan food for 30 days at a treatment center run by Gabriel Cousens at the Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center. Check it out at http://www.Rawfor30days.com Not sure why Dr.Mercola hasn't mentioned this?? I love & respect ya Doc so I believe there must be a reason. 



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The reason is that a number of you are confusing type I and type II diabetes. Type II is almost completely preventable and curable by lifestyle/nutrition choices, Nothing is more effective, Type I Diabetics, totally different, no cure, just substituting injections for the insulin that isn't there. A true cure would be a modern medical miracle. Blogs are interesting, but definitely not an intellectual forum. 




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"The sad thing about type 1 diabetes is that it now appears nearly completely preventable. New research suggests if a pregnant woman has optimal vitamin D levels during her pregnancy and then maintains them in her baby once delivered, this should radically reduce if not virtually eliminate type 1 diabetes." "nearly completely" These are mutually exclusive?? If you're going to claim type 1 diabetes is completely preventable, please report the scientific studies that back this up about the pregnant mother not having enough vitamin D!!! This is of upmost importance to all the mothers of people having type 1 diabetes or those that would like to prevent this. How irresponsible! 



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Results documented in THE CHINA STUDY by T. Colin Campbell, page 187 ff, point to some infants' reaction to cow's milk early in life as a possible cause of Type 1 diabetes. A child weaned too soon onto cow's milk may produce undigested proteins so similar to pancreas cells that the immune system confounds the two and attacks the pancreas as if it were a foreign invader. His evidence is very persuasive. He also shows that while Type ! diabetes is indeed incurable, a plant-based diet can dramatically reduce the need for insulin. The China Study is possibly the most comprehensive long-term nutritional study ever conducted. 




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THANK YOU!!!!!! 




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I'm part of an international type 1 support group. I know moms of type 1 kids who breastfed (or bottle fed - soy or otherwise) their kids here in the U.S. not weaned too soon onto cow's milk. ("nearly completely preventable", right) 




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"Ryke Geerd Hamer - Dr. Hamer's "German New Medicine" (GNM), operates under the premise that every disease originates from an unexpected shock experience, and that all disease can be cured by resolving these underlying emotional traumas. Despite a 95 percent success rate, Dr. Hamer has spent time in prison for refusing to disavow his medical findings and stop treating his patients with his unorthodox techniques, and is currently living in exile, seeking asylum from persecution." I've felt this all along. In 1974, Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Barry Ashbee was struck in the eye with a puck during their semi-final play-off round against the New York Rangers. He was blinded in one eye and retired. Three years later, he was diagnosed with leukemia, and died three weeks later. The Flyers retired his jersey, have an award in his name. Each year they have a carnival for cancer research in his name. 



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Excellent comments. I especially appreciate your insights on adult stem cells, a potential problem with them as a patient advances in age, and someone finding a solution. I have known for some time that adult stem cells have been successful in clinical development, whereas embryonic stem cells have not been. The key sticking point with most people is their mistaken belief that adult stem cells are not even pluripotent, much less totipotent. In fact, adult stem cells *are* pluripotent and some investigators have found ways to *make* them totipotent. That aside, it's good to keep those tips coming on prevention. I believe that a time will shortly come in which we all will be placed on waitlists for conventional treatment. The best thing we can do, therefore, is to obviate it. They're learning that lesson right now in the UK and elsewhere in the Commonwealth, and our fellow countrymen will have to learn it here, too. And we're the ones to educate them. 



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I am a Type 1 diabetic and have been for 17 years. I am now on an insulin pump. Obviously this article and some of the comments that follow are intriguing to me. Does anyone or Dr. Mercola, if you are reading this, know of ANYONE who is doing these treatments? I am utterly tired of being diabetic. I ate raw foods for years, and while it was all good, the only thing it did was lower my needs for insulin. And while that is good, that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a CURE. I still eat raw foods but not exclusively. 



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In 2006 two researchers in Toronto ( Dr. Hans Dosch and Dr. Michael Salter) theorized that faulty pancreatic pain neurons were to blame for Type 1 Diabetes. www.naturalnews.com/021345.html in part: "Dosch had observed in previous research that islet cells in diabetics were surrounded by an "enormous" number of pain nerves that signaled the brain that the pancreatic tissue was damaged.To test their theory, Dosch and Salter injected capsaicin into mice that had Type 1 diabetes, to kill the animals' pancreatic pain nerves. The researchers said they were stunned to discover that the injected mice's islet cells began producing insulin normally almost immediately. "I couldn't believe it," Salter said. "Mice with diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes anymore." Dosch and Salter discovered on further research that the pancreatic nerve cells were a vital part of the functioning of islet cells, by secreting neuropeptides that tell the islets to release insulin. The nerves weren't secreting enough neuropeptides, causing a "vicious cycle" of stress on the islets. The researchers then injected the neuropeptide -- dubbed "substance P" -- into the pancreases of the diabetic mice. The mice's islet inflammation rapidly cleared up, and the animals' diabetes disappeared. According to Dosch and Salter, some mice have remained "cured" for up to four months with a single injection." How can this kind of information along with the stem cell treatment be blatantly ignored? Where and to whom do we turn for help? I am thoroughly saddened by the corrupt parasites who would rather pocket a fortune from the suffering of those with Type 1 diabetes than see the cure. 



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There is a natural cure. See http://www.treeoflife.nu/diabetes 



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I found this documentary on reversing diabetes through food and lifestyle very interesting. It follows six people through the 30 day program. http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=689 



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This is why I love Dr. Mercola, because it's more about doing things efficiently and not just getting rich off of someone elses pain. 



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If you want to hear a good talk about the "Cure Conspiracy" go to http://breakthroughcoaching.tv/preview/ and watch tab #3, Carlon Colker, M.D., then go see a reputable chiropractor to add another component to truly help your body to cure diseases. You can also google chiropractic and blood pressure to see another study done by medical doctors at Chicago School of Medicine teaming up with chiropractors that significantly lowered blood pressures. It made the news about a day. 



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There is a cure for Type II Diabetes, and it doesn't involve changing lifestyles or exercise. I learned it from a medical researcher, and it's the reason that many children are now getting "age onset diabetes" when they are toddlers. It's because our world has been "processed". Our wheat flour and sugar used to have plenty of chromium, and other minerals and vitamins, which have been milled out of them since the early 1900's, contrary to FDA regulations, which were upheld by the supreme court, and not enforced since then. So, it's more than big pharma who are out to "get" us, big food is also to blame. I've lost my aunts and my beloved Tibetan teacher because of this age onset diabetes, and it was also getting me down. And, my roommate was diagnosed with it 4 years ago, yet, his fasting blood sugar just a month ago, showed no sign of diabetes. If you have been diagnosed with Type II diabetes, then begin immediately to take a food based chromium. The two brands I know are Innate Response and New Chapter (you can get this one at the healthfood store). Take it 5 or 6 times a day, one with each meal, one with your snack, and one on arising, and one on sleeping (to build up your reserves). You see, after several generations of moms deficient in this mineral, the children born in the last 10 years, many of them, are deficient in chromium, and they run out by the time they are toddlers. The only reason exercise helps Type II's is that it gets the glucose out of the blood (so your body doesn't keep ringing the insulin alarm), it burns it for fuel. But, the real life saver is getting the chromium to carry the glucose into the cell so that ATP can be made. That's why diabetics are so tired, they aren't making ATP. 



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I am very interestedin all information on diabetes. Whether type 1 or type 11. Plus very interested in stem cell treatments. I saw the other week on the news how a woman needed a esphosphegus transplant so the doctors took her own stemcells and grew skin arountf the rpeacement before transplanting it into ther. It worked and she does not have to take rejection drugs. This is very promising. So I know that at least someone doing research on adult stem cell and using it in the medical field. I do agreee that raw food or natural cures are the way to go. However I have a real problem with even buying vitamins or all the natural cures in health food stores. Do you not think that the producers of these things are not also getting rich?? The amount of vitmins being sold on todays market. Even to having to buy "food based chromium" and take it 4 or 5 times a day . That costs money that many cannot afford. Just like all the products on Dr. Mercola's website. Sound very good. But I can't afford to buy them. So again my health is all based on money????Based on someone getting rich ! I want to know of "real food based cures". For instance what food have natural chromium in them. What food interact with one another for real bennifits. No one should have to put out thousands of dollars a month extra on top of their grocery bill in order to be healthy. Not to "health food stores" or the producers of vitamins or anyone else. If someone is truly interested in a person's health, then they will share information without money being involved into buy something "for the cure",, natural or not. 




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along with chromium, virtually all diabetes are deficient in vanadium (vandyl sulfate) google this too. 




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Savannahrose, a free way to get chromium is to eat burdock or dandelion roots that you dig up yourself. Kelp and stinging nettle leaves are very high in chromium. Burdock and dandelion also help stabilize blood sugar levels. Even before the economy went down the tubes, I've tried to influence people I know to eat their weeds. Very few do (unless they're eating at my house), but maybe when they actually run out of money for food, the wild edibles will be more popular. 



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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 23:08:03 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:08:03 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
In-Reply-To: <000601c98fa9$d220a6d0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <000601c98fa9$d220a6d0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS63E16CF1F2540765FBC27A1B60@phx.gbl>

there is nothing here.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this


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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 00:55:46 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:55:46 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
References: <20090209033633.14763.41583@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <642FABC7880C4BB2B9495DDA13F3ED78@owner96190708e>

Dar:

Yes, you can.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


Mike,
I was asking Jim if by chance we could down load this and read it on
our voice sense.
One of the places you can get books?
thanks,

-- 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 01:05:14 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:05:14 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
References: <20090209154751.12928.69095@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <D1B08C04E2534B09BFA09A392C5FFB34@owner96190708e>

Nope; niether of these is the NFB site.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


Can you get this from the NLS books?
I have a set up there.
Or do you go to book share?
those are the two places I have set up.
Thanks,

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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 01:07:55 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:07:55 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Voice
References: <cf9.4ed337cb.36c1bcd2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <74A2E6CF178641B8AEB1ABC224830BC2@owner96190708e>

Not on the Voice Sense.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Voice


I may be wrong, but I think you can listen to it without downloading it 
to
your computer.

Mike, is that correct?

Joyce
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 01:08:56 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:08:56 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
References: <cb7.492e4917.36c1cd37@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E4B977433AC646818177291510A0C7F8@owner96190708e>

There will be a notice sent to Voice subscribers.
M
ike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up 
there
throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least 
consider
another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.

NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of 
Representative
members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice" 
our
opinion and thoughts on this?

The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we 
are
encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.

I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do 
we
need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are 
some  of
the reasons that caused the price  to soar.

I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this 
publication and the
NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is 
over
three hundred thousand .

 Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and 
will
there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?

Joyce
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
easy
steps!
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 16 01:48:51 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:48:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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	<E4B977433AC646818177291510A0C7F8@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS16C226C8AFCAC412A72CDA1B70@phx.gbl>

I did e-mail Dr. Maurer but no response.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> There will be a notice sent to Voice subscribers.
> M
> ike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:17 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
> there
> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
> consider
> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>
> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
> Representative
> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to "Voice"
> our
> opinion and thoughts on this?
>
> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why we
> are
> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>
> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do
> we
> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are
> some  of
> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>
> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
> publication and the
> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication is
> over
> three hundred thousand .
>
>  Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
> will
> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>
> Joyce
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 06:01:57 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:01:57 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
References: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl>
	<002c01c98f17$2c6005c0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <6CD2493A5B7B4B50876B17B786D4193C@owner96190708e>

Paul:

Welcome to the list.

I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists 
NFB operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a 
networking device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who 
are diabetic in particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.

It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the 
meter up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain 
the strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're 
getting the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue. 
But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error 
message.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am 
totally
blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication. 
This
group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
voice, I
hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.

I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 
3
months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me 
for
using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to 
apply
blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't 
beep
to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
its
good-bye song, and shuts off.
There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
else to do.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here

hello  folks,

where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare 
pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
know

thank you,jacky742
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 06:03:06 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:03:06 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the top
	36for season 8 of american idol
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Er, um, is he diabetic? If not, we're skirting off-topicness! (big grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "cherylandmaxx" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:56 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the top 
36for season 8 of american idol


His name is Scott MacIntyre and is from Scottsdale, AZ.

And he is blind.  Sings great, plays the piano.  I like him. my daughter
says he is cute to, not gorgeous but cute.

Anyway, I usually don't watch Idol myself, but he talks about overcoming
issues being visually impaired and I am sure he will inspirationaly for
other blind people to go for there dreams.

If you can let us try and support him, listen to idol, and make the 
choice
for yourself.

Cheryl Echevarria


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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 06:08:35 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:08:35 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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Please everyone.

It is apparent that no one will change Debbie's mind. Let's cease and 
desist.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


u r right about that doctors can't do anything about it diabetes that 
is.
Including find a cure cause all they do is fail at it cause that's all 
they
have ever done. i don't buy the "can't" i believe it's "won't" too much
money in it for them
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> It is your diabetes not the doctors. I have kidney disease where I had 
> to
> be on dialysis for 4 years and I had my transplant in 05 it is not the
> doctors responsibility to do anything I have to decide on back then
> whether to do dialysis or die is all my decisions.  They are doctors 
> they
> cannot hold a gun to your head to be complient you have to do that.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
>> And Deb,
>> You have to do the work.  The Dr. can't test and count your carbs for
>> you.
>> The suggestions Dr's make to us come from what they have learned 
>> about
>> Diabetes.
>> Di
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>>
>>
>> > Hi Debbie,
>> > Isn't that what a doctor is supposed to do? What kind of things do 
>> > you
>> > want
>> > them to do for you? All a doctor can do is to try and help guide 
>> > you as
>> > you
>> > live with your disease. The doctor cannot take an insulin shot for 
>> > you,
>> > test
>> > your blood sugar, keep you from over-eating and more. In the end, 
>> > it is
>> > totally up to you as to whether or not you want to put in the work 
>> > that
>> > is
>> > necessary to keep your diabetes in good control. The doctor cannot 
>> > do
>> > that
>> > for you.
>> >
>> > I guess I'm just not sure what you expect out of your doctor and/or
>> > medical
>> > team. Are you expecting them to perform some kind of miracle that 
>> > will
>> > cure
>> > you of your diabetes? If that is truly the case, then you are
>> > definitely
>> > in
>> > for a huge disappointment.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM
>> > To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >
>> > i guess you could say i am not a "medicaly friendly" person in the 
>> > 42
>> > years
>> > i've had diabetes never once has anyone in the medical field done a
>> > thing
>> > to
>> > help with this disease all they have done is tell me what i need to 
>> > do
>> > to
>> > live wit it. i pay them but i do all the work that just seems very
>> > crooked
>> > to me.
>> > Debbie
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
>> > To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:34 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Debbie,
>> >> My experience with the Voice has been just the opposite.  I was
>> >> surprised to find that the Joslin center here in our area in 
>> >> Florida
>> >> had copies of the Voice. They were very pleased with the 
>> >> publication
>> >> and at the time, made sure that anyone  who was newly diagnosed, 
>> >> or,
>> >> was needing any info regarding diabetes took a look at the Voice.
>> >>
>> >> So, I have to disagree with you in regard to the medical 
>> >> profession
>> >> not wanting to have anything to do with something that won't make 
>> >> them
>> >> a few extra dollars. I'm still amazed at how bitter you seem to be
>> >> towards the medical profession as a whole. I know you have told us 
>> >> all
>> >> why you feel as you do, but I have forgotten the exact reasons 
>> >> why.
>> >>
>> >> I have found several wonderful doctors here in Largo and have been
>> >> very happy with their level of care.  They are in no way out to 
>> >> just
>> >> make a buck.
>> >> Instead, they show compassion and truly care about their patients. 
>> >> The
>> >> folks that I have worked with at Minimed, the maker of my insulin
>> >> pump, are much the same. Sure they are always discussing the new
>> >> capabilities of the pump, but they take the time to listen to my
>> >> concerns and are not out just for the all mighty dollar. In fact, 
>> >> they
>> >> will be meeting with me at my next doctor's appointment to help me
>> >> determine if I need to change basal rates and so forth to get my 
>> >> A1C
>> >> back to the level it was before I ended up in the hospital.
>> >>
>> >> I just don't think it's fair to lump all people in the medical
>> >> profession into one category simply based on your experiences with 
>> >> a
>> >> few unscrupulous companies or doctors. I think there are far more
>> >> people in the field that are truly concerned with the health of 
>> >> their
>> >> patients instead of being out there just to make as much money as
>> >> possible. For example, I think Anne Williams, who posts to this 
>> >> list
>> >> on a regular basis, is a shining example of what I'm trying to say
>> >> about the good people in the medical field. She truly cares about 
>> >> the
>> >> patients she sees and it shows by the message she posts here on 
>> >> this
>> >> list and in the articles she has written for the Voice.
>> >>
>> >> I know I won't be able to sway your opinion, but I always try to 
>> >> keep
>> >> in mind that a positive attitude goes a long way in managing your
>> > diabetes.
>> >> It
>> >> has worked for me over the years and has kept me out of the 
>> >> hospital
>> >> and helped me manage my diabetes successfully and I won't trade a
>> >> positive attitude, or view of the medical profession as a whole as
>> >> being made up of good people, for anything. .
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for reading my rather lengthy post,
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:46 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>
>> >> Eileen
>> >> All i am saying is that if the medical field can't make money off 
>> >> of
>> >> anything that concerns diabetes they will have nothing to do with 
>> >> it.
>> >> i once asked a doctor i saw here anemdo if he would like to have 
>> >> the
>> >> voice in his office.his response "i see no need for it?
>> >> oh well!
>> >> Debbie
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> >> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:10 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Debbie:
>> >>>
>> >>> This raises a few more questions.  I understand that people who 
>> >>> are
>> >>> blind are on limited incomes and may not be able to afford to pay 
>> >>> for
>> >>> a subscription to the Voice, but what about Doctor's, hospital's 
>> >>> &
>> >>> other medical professionals?  Certainly, they can afford to pay a
>> >>> subscription fee.  Out of the circulation numbers, how many go to
>> >>> people who are blind and may not be able to cover the cost of a
>> >>> subscription & how many go to medical professionals?  Do doctor's
>> >>> give away services for free?  I think not.
>> >>>
>> >>> And, why increase the cost of the publication with color 
>> >>> pictures?
>> >>> Isn't the mag primarily for those who are blind?  Perhaps the 
>> >>> focus
>> >>> has changed somewhere along the line from presenting good 
>> >>> information
>> >>> to the blind/vi community to trying to attract sighted readers?
>> >>>
>> >>> Eileen
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:11 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> this just seems to figure as far as diabetes and anything 
>> >>>> related to
>> >>>> the disease that doesn't bring in a lot of money to support the
>> >>>> disease. The Voice is a great magazine the reason it is being
>> >>>> eliminated is because it is helpful and no one in the medical 
>> >>>> field
>> >>>> is making a huge profit from it.
>> >>>> Debbie
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Lunt " <boo.lunt at verizon.net>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:49 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>> I feel I must finally write in here. The cost of the Voice of 
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Diabetic has not "skyrocketed" and I'm not sure where this
>> >>>>> information is coming from. Even with the much-improved design 
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> full color, the costs were controlled, and money was coming in 
>> >>>>> from
>> >>>>> ads and sponsorships. However, it simply costs a lot to print 
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> ship so many copies -- our circulation for Voice of the 
>> >>>>> Diabetic is
>> >>>>> over 300 thousand copies per quarter. It was very popular among
>> >>>>> readers and diabetes educators and demand was high.
>> >>>>> Gathering
>> >>>>> the information, selling advertisements and getting education
>> >>>>> grants, and writing and editing the publication accounted for 
>> >>>>> staff
>> >>>>> members' time, as well as other diabetes advocacy activities 
>> >>>>> such
>> >>>>> as pushing for accessible diabetes technology. Dr. Maurer has 
>> >>>>> made
>> >>>>> a decision to cut the entire Diabetes Initiatives project, 
>> >>>>> which
>> >>>>> included publishing Voice of the Diabetic. He has said that 
>> >>>>> some
>> >>>>> diabetes activities will be folded into the duties of existing
>> >>>>> staff at the NFB, but the rest of us have been let go. We did 
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> best we could to present up-to-date, helpful and inspiring
>> >>>>> information about both diabetes and coping with diabetes with
>> >>>>> limited
>> > or no vision.
>> >>>>> There will not be another issue of the magazine, because Dr.
>> >>>>> Maurer
>> >>>>> made his decision after the Winter issue went out, and he is
>> >>>>> folding the project now, before another would have gone out in 
>> >>>>> the
>> > spring.
>> >>>>> Thank you for your support over the years. I have enjoyed 
>> >>>>> working
>> >>>>> on this publication. I hope you will get the full story, or try 
>> >>>>> to,
>> >>>>> before continuing this conversation with NFB leadership.
>> >>>>> All the best,
>> >>>>> Elizabeth Lunt
>> >>>>> Editor, Voice of the Diabetic
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> Blindhands at aol.com
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:17 PM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It 
>> >>>>> ranks
>> >>>>> up there throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have 
>> >>>>> them
>> >>>>> at least consider another  way of continuing the Voice of the
>> >>>>> Diabetic publication.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
>> >>>>> Representative
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to
>> >>>>> "Voice"
>> >>>>> our
>> >>>>> opinion and thoughts on this?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that 
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> why we are
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, 
>> >>>>> but
>> >>>>> do we need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am 
>> >>>>> sure
>> >>>>> those are some of the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has
>> >>>>> been concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for
>> >>>>> this publication and the
>> >>>>> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this
>> >>>>> publication
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> over
>> >>>>> three hundred thousand .
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice 
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> will there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like 
>> >>>>> that ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Joyce
>> >>>>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
>> >>>>> just
>> >>>>> 2 easy steps!
>> >>>>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?
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>> >>>>> edir=htt
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>> >>>>> 2
>> >>>>> 6bcd=fe
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 06:11:17 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:11:17 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
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Debbie:

No message is coming thru. I didn't see a text attachment either.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:12 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this


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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 06:16:30 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:16:30 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
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It takes him a while.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


I did e-mail Dr. Maurer but no response.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?


> There will be a notice sent to Voice subscribers.
> M
> ike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:17 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
>
>
> Diabetes is the number 1 cause of blindness in the USA.  It ranks up
> there
> throughout the world.  What can we do to stop or have them at least
> consider
> another  way of continuing the Voice of the Diabetic  publication.
>
> NFB is always asking us to contact our Senators and House of
> Representative
> members, how about calling or emailing our President of NFB  to 
> "Voice"
> our
> opinion and thoughts on this?
>
> The blind depend on word of mouth to learn about things, that is why 
> we
> are
> encouraged to talk about NFB to everyone blind and sighted.
>
> I understand that the cost of the publication has sky rocketed, but do
> we
> need color photos and the new look of the Voice?  I am sure those are
> some  of
> the reasons that caused the price  to soar.
>
> I am disappointed with this decision.  I do know that there has been
> concerns in the past years about the  money going  out for this
> publication and the
> NFB covering the  cost.          the circulation of  this publication 
> is
> over
> three hundred thousand .
>
>  Mike, do you know if there will be a notice put into the Voice and
> will
> there be a final Voice sent out or is it just over like that ?
>
> Joyce
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
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From ransdady2k at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 07:22:28 2009
From: ransdady2k at yahoo.com (Ransford Dadzie)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:22:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] we are suffering......
Message-ID: <470807.78392.qm@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi my name is Ransford and am 19.... i have lived with diabetes for 9years.... the cost of insulin is too expensive in Ghana West Africa.. the world diabetic union should help...


      

From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Mon Feb 16 13:48:46 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the
	top36for season 8 of american idol
In-Reply-To: <935AAB62A86D47AA99834386966A827D@owner96190708e>
References: <BAY131-DS2AEA9E3442F92E2C86BEDA1B90@phx.gbl>
	<935AAB62A86D47AA99834386966A827D@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <FE9844BDD47E4C039ECEA0701ED72BDF@DianePC>

Mike,
I feel it is important that we realize he is blind!
di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the 
top36for season 8 of american idol


> Er, um, is he diabetic? If not, we're skirting off-topicness! (big grin)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "cherylandmaxx" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:56 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the top
> 36for season 8 of american idol
>
>
> His name is Scott MacIntyre and is from Scottsdale, AZ.
>
> And he is blind.  Sings great, plays the piano.  I like him. my daughter
> says he is cute to, not gorgeous but cute.
>
> Anyway, I usually don't watch Idol myself, but he talks about overcoming
> issues being visually impaired and I am sure he will inspirationaly for
> other blind people to go for there dreams.
>
> If you can let us try and support him, listen to idol, and make the
> choice
> for yourself.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 16 13:54:26 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:54:26 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story won't come
	through
References: <000601c98fa9$d220a6d0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
	<C7F6B4B264C6407BB0C0A257DE0E4F04@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <004601c9903e$15e8a4f0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

Sorry about that the story wouldn't go through some kind of applicatopn 
error.
It is a story about how 12 years ago a man discovered how to cure type 1 
diabetes with adult stem cellls and Big Pharma completely ignore the 
discovery
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this


> Debbie:
>
> No message is coming thru. I didn't see a text attachment either.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:12 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
>
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 16 14:01:58 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:01:58 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetic interesting story
Message-ID: <000801c9903f$23311b50$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

here is the link to the story about type 1 diabetes
Debbie


http://www.diabetesforums.com/forum/diabetes/35674-possible-cure-diabetes-found.html

From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 15:22:18 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:22:18 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to
	thetop36for season 8 of american idol
References: <BAY131-DS2AEA9E3442F92E2C86BEDA1B90@phx.gbl><935AAB62A86D47AA99834386966A827D@owner96190708e>
	<FE9844BDD47E4C039ECEA0701ED72BDF@DianePC>
Message-ID: <D9F298CE691A4A09A9E9445F3401240B@owner96190708e>

Diane:

In a humorous vein: so what if he's blind? And I should have thought a 
blind person would have had more inteligence than to subject himself to 
Simon's badgering! (grin)

On a more philosophical note, if we *truly* believe that we, the blind, 
are simply normal people who cannot see an that the real problems of 
blindness are social, not physical, then we should acord the blind no 
more honor for getting on American Idle, climbing Mount Everest or 
becoming Governor of New York than we would anyone else. In other words, 
I contend that our adulation of blind figures who have executed 
so-called "firsts" says more about *us* than it does about *them!*

Just an alternative viewpoint! (grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to 
thetop36for season 8 of american idol


Mike,
I feel it is important that we realize he is blind!
di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the
top36for season 8 of american idol


> Er, um, is he diabetic? If not, we're skirting off-topicness! (big 
> grin)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "cherylandmaxx" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:56 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] A visually impaired person makes it to the 
> top
> 36for season 8 of american idol
>
>
> His name is Scott MacIntyre and is from Scottsdale, AZ.
>
> And he is blind.  Sings great, plays the piano.  I like him. my 
> daughter
> says he is cute to, not gorgeous but cute.
>
> Anyway, I usually don't watch Idol myself, but he talks about 
> overcoming
> issues being visually impaired and I am sure he will inspirationaly 
> for
> other blind people to go for there dreams.
>
> If you can let us try and support him, listen to idol, and make the
> choice
> for yourself.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
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From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Mon Feb 16 15:25:09 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:25:09 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and more
Message-ID: <1995C741CC504D938A44892C3005A22E@Albert>

Hi All,
I have just purchased the Prodigy Voice from the Federations' Independence Market and am looking forward to upgrading my meter. As a result, I have some questions for the list. 

1. Are the test strips easily findable at local drugstores, such as Walgreens?

2. Since I am replacing my old original Prodigy meter (I think it was one of the original talking meters) with this new one should I keep the older meter as backup?

3. I still have my original meter (an Acu-Check VoiceMate that I am no longer using. What is the best way of disposing of it?

Thanks for the help!

Yours in Federationism
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
    252-757-3023

From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 16:07:08 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:07:08 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story won't
	comethrough
References: <000601c98fa9$d220a6d0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7><C7F6B4B264C6407BB0C0A257DE0E4F04@owner96190708e>
	<004601c9903e$15e8a4f0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <B8628567F0AE452D822C80291B858657@owner96190708e>

I'd take this with more than a few grains of salt! To be sure, there are 
mavericks in the science community (Denise Faustman is one) whose work 
has more trouble garnering research dollars than so-called mainstram 
projects. But this has more to do with the natural trends in science to 
adhere to accepted norms in thinking than it does to any supposed 
conspiracy by Big Pharma to suppress valid research.

Also, often stories of supposed breakthroughs actually turn out not to 
be so revolutionary and end up being mostly hype to generate publicity 
and research dollars for particular colleges and universities than they 
are absolute breakthroughs. Read Dr. Billl Quick's share-posts sometime; 
they're eye-openers.

Re Ms. Faustman: actually, I think her research actually now is getting 
some $$$ so if her thesis pans out, we'll know soon.

The one quarrel I have with medical research is that it is not accepted 
practice to have the sort of no-holds-barred criticism and often 
attempts to replicate that is the norm in, say, physics or chemistry.

Cold fusion anyone?

Mike Freeman

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From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story won't 
comethrough


Sorry about that the story wouldn't go through some kind of applicatopn
error.
It is a story about how 12 years ago a man discovered how to cure type 1
diabetes with adult stem cellls and Big Pharma completely ignore the
discovery
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this


> Debbie:
>
> No message is coming thru. I didn't see a text attachment either.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:12 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
>
>
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From vgc732 at optonline.net  Mon Feb 16 17:30:17 2009
From: vgc732 at optonline.net (Vincent Chaney)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:30:17 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
References: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl>
	<002c01c98f17$2c6005c0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<6CD2493A5B7B4B50876B17B786D4193C@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <EB8175F54F5F436C8571467BAA2F6562@Vincent>

Paul,

Welcome also...

The Advanced Diabetic Solutions company, 
http://www.advanceddiabeticsolutions.net/.
joined us in New Jersey at our state convention last year and have men's 
http://www.advanceddiabeticsolutions.net/mens-diabetic-footwear and women's 
footwear http://www.advanceddiabeticsolutions.net/womens-diabetic-footwear

Concerning your meter, you have unfortunately gotten a non fully accessible 
meter. In my opinion, many medical professionals have accidentally been miss 
lead to advise a visually impaired diabetic to the Prodigy Autocode. For 
today, even should someone speak Spanish and is blind, the Prodigy Voice is 
better as it is an accessible blood glucose testing machine. If you might 
have any opportunity to switch to the Prodigy Voice it would work better for 
you.

Vincent Chaney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


Paul:

Welcome to the list.

I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists
NFB operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a
networking device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who
are diabetic in particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.

It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the
meter up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain
the strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're
getting the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
message.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
totally
blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
This
group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the
voice, I
hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.

I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about
3
months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me
for
using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to
apply
blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't
beep
to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings
its
good-bye song, and shuts off.
There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
else to do.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here

hello  folks,

where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare
pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
know

thank you,jacky742
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From k7uij at panix.com  Mon Feb 16 18:28:00 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:28:00 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and
	more
References: <1995C741CC504D938A44892C3005A22E@Albert>
Message-ID: <B78CEAE9762E4B92BC7C1B8E06A359AA@owner96190708e>

Al:

(1) You probably won't find the Voice strips in a local drugstore. If 
you do, lucky you! One place from which to purchase them is Home Care 
Supply of America at (800) 333-1412. You'll also get to hear a lovely TX 
accent! (grin) You can also purchase Voice strips from Advanced Diabetes 
Supply at (800) 730-9887 although there was a SNAFU with Voice strips 
recently (dunno whether it was DDI's problem or Advanced Diabetes 
Supply's problem) and so I'd probably start with Home Care Supply of 
America although I'm not sure they work the insurance companies as well 
as Advanced Diabetes Supply does.

(2) I'd keep the Autocode you have as a backup; Voice strips will work 
in it (but not vice versa).

(3) I have *two* AccuCheck VoiceMates (both a bit flaky) sitting around. 
I suppose you could take them to an electronics disposal place but I 
haven't gotten around to this myself.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and 
more


Hi All,
I have just purchased the Prodigy Voice from the Federations' 
Independence Market and am looking forward to upgrading my meter. As a 
result, I have some questions for the list.

1. Are the test strips easily findable at local drugstores, such as 
Walgreens?

2. Since I am replacing my old original Prodigy meter (I think it was 
one of the original talking meters) with this new one should I keep the 
older meter as backup?

3. I still have my original meter (an Acu-Check VoiceMate that I am no 
longer using. What is the best way of disposing of it?

Thanks for the help!

Yours in Federationism
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
    252-757-3023
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 16 18:36:09 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:36:09 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story
	won'tcomethrough
References: <000601c98fa9$d220a6d0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7><C7F6B4B264C6407BB0C0A257DE0E4F04@owner96190708e><004601c9903e$15e8a4f0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
	<B8628567F0AE452D822C80291B858657@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <001a01c99065$712708d0$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

i guess it doesn't matter  to those of u who were blind from diabetes more 
than 12 years ago or those of u who had kidney failure from diabetes 12 
years ago but not all of us did. so who ever stopped this  advancement 
toward a cure for type 1 diabetes has left the rest of us with these 
complications from this fine disease for no good reason.
i spoke with a journalist a few years back who also stated that a cure had 
been found and ignored. this is not right some of us today would not have 
the complications we have today from this disease (diabetes) if this man 
could of completed his research and finished his clinical trials. i sure 
don't enjoy being visually impaired and living with kidney problems from a 
disease i didn't diseerve in the first place. i guess the rest of u do.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story 
won'tcomethrough


> I'd take this with more than a few grains of salt! To be sure, there are
> mavericks in the science community (Denise Faustman is one) whose work
> has more trouble garnering research dollars than so-called mainstram
> projects. But this has more to do with the natural trends in science to
> adhere to accepted norms in thinking than it does to any supposed
> conspiracy by Big Pharma to suppress valid research.
>
> Also, often stories of supposed breakthroughs actually turn out not to
> be so revolutionary and end up being mostly hype to generate publicity
> and research dollars for particular colleges and universities than they
> are absolute breakthroughs. Read Dr. Billl Quick's share-posts sometime;
> they're eye-openers.
>
> Re Ms. Faustman: actually, I think her research actually now is getting
> some $$$ so if her thesis pans out, we'll know soon.
>
> The one quarrel I have with medical research is that it is not accepted
> practice to have the sort of no-holds-barred criticism and often
> attempts to replicate that is the norm in, say, physics or chemistry.
>
> Cold fusion anyone?
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story won't
> comethrough
>
>
> Sorry about that the story wouldn't go through some kind of applicatopn
> error.
> It is a story about how 12 years ago a man discovered how to cure type 1
> diabetes with adult stem cellls and Big Pharma completely ignore the
> discovery
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
>
>
>> Debbie:
>>
>> No message is coming thru. I didn't see a text attachment either.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:12 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
>>
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Feb 16 18:43:22 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:22 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Talking Glucose Meters
Message-ID: <auto-000088845617@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following:
Dave


Ladies and Gentlemen:

My name is Bernadette M. Jacobs.  I am a member of the National 
Federation of the Blind, (NFB), and have been for many, many 
years.  The NFB believes that
blind people have a right to use accessible glucose monitoring 
meters.   If you or someone you know has been denied the right to an 
accessible meter, the
NFB should be notified.

I am currently working as a "Consultant" with Diagnostic Devices, 
INC., (DDI), makers of the "New Prodigy Voice," the very newest of 
the Talking Glucose
Monitoring Systems for the Blind/Visually Impaired diabetic.

As everyone here that we are addressing is well aware, independent 
monitoring of one's blood sugars is vital and of utmost importance in 
our diabetes management!!!
"A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH!!!"

We of the NFB are well aware that there are many, many blind/visually 
impaired diabetic patients who not only do not have meters they can 
independently
use, but they are unable to receive such a meter because many 
insurance companies, brokers, and managed care facilities do not have 
these meters either
on their formularies, or simply do not consider us "In Network."

DDI, and NFB are currently working together with insurance companies 
and other managed care facilities in an effort to make things happen 
so that the "New
Prodigy Voice" is available to anyone and everyone who needs a 
talking meter which he/she can use completely independently  After 
all, Independence is
what we're all about!!

For those of you who need a talking glucose monitoring system and 
need more options available to you, I would cordially, as well as 
personally invite anyone
to contact me or Charlie Brown off list at:

You may contact Charlie Brown at
cbrown at actionfund.org
  or by calling  him at 410 659 9314, ext. 2206.  You may reach me as follows:

Bernadette M. Jacobs

1501 Langford Road

Gwynn Oak, MD 21207-4958

Home Phone: 410-455-5311.

Email:
bandbjacobs at verizon.net

For anyone who doesn't have computer access, I am a Grade Two Braille 
reader.  Also for those with Limited Long Distance, you can call me 
and I'll simply
offer to call you back to help you.

Cordially,

Bernadette M. Jacobs  




From RichardFXSwee at aol.com  Mon Feb 16 21:06:58 2009
From: RichardFXSwee at aol.com (RichardFXSwee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:06:58 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this story
	won'tcomethrough
Message-ID: <c2f.4bf1d4c6.36cb2f72@aol.com>

Its not the job of big pharma to come up with the cure to diabetes. If this  
doctor's research had merit, why didn't he try to get federal government 
support  for the research? Perhaps they did and found no merit in the research. 
There are  lots of funding sources in the fed gov't and universities.
When I became diabetic 40 years ago, the docs said a cure was just around  
the corner. Its a very large corner!
Rich 
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 16 22:59:06 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:59:06 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this storywon'tcomethrough
References: <c2f.4bf1d4c6.36cb2f72@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001301c9908a$2ca90210$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

big pharma didn't come up with the cure the man wanted them to do clinical 
trials
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RichardFXSwee at aol.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this 
storywon'tcomethrough


> Its not the job of big pharma to come up with the cure to diabetes. If 
> this
> doctor's research had merit, why didn't he try to get federal government
> support  for the research? Perhaps they did and found no merit in the 
> research.
> There are  lots of funding sources in the fed gov't and universities.
> When I became diabetic 40 years ago, the docs said a cure was just around
> the corner. Its a very large corner!
> Rich
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
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From clevelandann at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 16 23:02:48 2009
From: clevelandann at sbcglobal.net (Ann Williams)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:02:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] What can we do?
In-Reply-To: <8254B5D41BA5499EB9C272514A1F7BE3@eileenPC>
References: <8254B5D41BA5499EB9C272514A1F7BE3@eileenPC>
Message-ID: <4999F098.3080401@sbcglobal.net>

A while ago, Eileen Scrivani wrote:

"I understand that people who are blind are on limited incomes and may 
not be able to afford to pay for a subscription to the Voice, but what 
about Doctor's, hospital's & other medical professionals? Certainly, 
they can afford to pay a subscription fee."  There sere several 
follow-up posts affirming that several people on this list thought this 
was a good idea.

 From my perspective as a health professional, I don't think this is a 
workable way to raise money for The Voice of the Diabetic.  Let me 
explain why.  The copies that go to hospitals and doctors' offices are 
not used for their own reading.  They are for the professionals to give 
to their patients.  This is the norm in diabetes patient publications.  
All the diabetes publications intended for patients make free copies 
available for professionals to give away, either by sending copies to 
them, or, increasingly, by sending a card good for a free copy for 
professionals to give away.  So professionals are unlikely to pay for 
subscriptions to give to their patients.

It's true that many professionals could benefit from reading the Voice 
to learn how their patients actually do the things they recommend.  When 
I teach other professionals, I often recommend that they read patient 
publications for exactly that reason.

However, in the day of a busy diabetes educator or physician, reading 
time is at a premium, and lots of professionals find it hard to find 
time for even the reading of professional journals that is necessary to 
keep up in one's field.  Reading a patient publication ends up low on 
many professional priority lists.  So even though they can afford a 
subscription for themselves, they would probably not pay for something 
they are not even sure to have time to read.

I do hope that there is a way the Voice can survive somehow, but I think 
that paid subscriptions for professionals is not going to be it.

Ann Williams, PhD, RN, CDE




From daved at lightwave.net  Tue Feb 17 00:25:01 2009
From: daved at lightwave.net (Daved Daly)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:25:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this storywon'tcomethrough
In-Reply-To: <001301c9908a$2ca90210$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <c2f.4bf1d4c6.36cb2f72@aol.com>
	<001301c9908a$2ca90210$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <cfbf63f60902161625s1341375dk1fc779142810032b@mail.gmail.com>

I think it'd be better if we just dropped this whole discussion... this
really doesn't need to be the place to debate this.

Most people clearly see the information posted as pseudoscience and useless
conspiracy theory.  Nobody will likely change your opinion on what you think
of it.  But, it has a much bigger tendency of getting nasty quickly.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM, catdancing <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> big pharma didn't come up with the cure the man wanted them to do clinical
> trials
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <RichardFXSwee at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] type 1 diabetics read this
> storywon'tcomethrough
>
>
>  Its not the job of big pharma to come up with the cure to diabetes. If
>> this
>> doctor's research had merit, why didn't he try to get federal government
>> support  for the research? Perhaps they did and found no merit in the
>> research.
>> There are  lots of funding sources in the fed gov't and universities.
>> When I became diabetic 40 years ago, the docs said a cure was just around
>> the corner. Its a very large corner!
>> Rich
>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
>> easy
>> steps!
>> (
>> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe
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From krivonak at comcast.net  Tue Feb 17 02:14:34 2009
From: krivonak at comcast.net (Buzz Krivonak)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:14:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
In-Reply-To: <6CD2493A5B7B4B50876B17B786D4193C@owner96190708e>
References: <COL115-DS151D3928042CB49FD13641AFB90@phx.gbl><002c01c98f17$2c6005c0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<6CD2493A5B7B4B50876B17B786D4193C@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <010201c990a5$7a6b8480$6401a8c0@ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>


Hi Paul & Paula,

  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real find. I
monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and blind due
to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with it
too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe they
will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
changing the battery didn't help.

Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training him to
use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how to
operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test strip, the
Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It would
just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips, and
the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered that one
side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the strip,
and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test strips
in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and I did
not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip with
the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.  

Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, so you
can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between each
side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the strip.   

We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was inserted
correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to apply
blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and eventually
the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was a
visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually figured out
that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there was a
visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't remember. 
So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error codes,
and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and took the
reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down, and
gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much blood
on the strip when I take a reading.

I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind person
to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes are
displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to be
helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
switch to the Voice soon.

Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters on
the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link late
last year:
http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm

Hope these help, and good luck!

Regards,
  Buzz

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction

Paul:

Welcome to the list.

I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists NFB
operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a networking
device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are diabetic in
particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.

It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the meter
up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're getting
the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue. 
But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
message.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am 
totally
blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication. 
This
group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
voice, I
hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.

I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 
3
months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me 
for
using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to 
apply
blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't 
beep
to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
its
good-bye song, and shuts off.
There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
else to do.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here

hello  folks,

where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare 
pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
know

thank you,jacky742
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From vgc732 at optonline.net  Tue Feb 17 06:31:49 2009
From: vgc732 at optonline.net (Vincent Chaney)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:31:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters
	and	more
References: <1995C741CC504D938A44892C3005A22E@Albert>
	<B78CEAE9762E4B92BC7C1B8E06A359AA@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <2F13F2D153BF4ECAB56FE30D8E320CD2@Vincent>

Al,

I have kept my old meters as back-up in the event I should have any problems 
with my fairly new Prodigy Voice I received in November. The Prodigy Voice 
has not had any issue, though I may have tested a number of times extra as I 
am from New Jersey, with diabetes for 46 plus years and do not bleed easily 
over the winter and have multi-tested to validate a result.

To add the company I have received my "Prodigy Voice Test Strips" from to 
our group messages, "Advanced Diabetic Solutions" and who were happy to join 
us this past November when we began our Diabetes Division of the National 
Federation of the Blind of New Jersey. This is the company from Atlanta, Ga 
that has a similar name to the one Mike has given from California. For any 
state who invite exhibitors to their state convention, I would highly 
recommend "Advanced Diabetic Solutions", 
http://www.advanceddiabeticsolutions.net/
as they worked very well with us and our 35 members who started our 
division. Their toll free number is 888-377-6382. Tina Rockwell, Ext. 13 is 
whom our group from New Jersey call. Jordan Benis, along with Tina, brought 
the Prodigy Voice to NJ and allowed us to test ourselves with their single 
use lancets to understand how easy this machine was to use.

Vincent Chaney, President
Diabetes Division of the National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and 
more


Al:

(1) You probably won't find the Voice strips in a local drugstore. If
you do, lucky you! One place from which to purchase them is Home Care
Supply of America at (800) 333-1412. You'll also get to hear a lovely TX
accent! (grin) You can also purchase Voice strips from Advanced Diabetes
Supply at (800) 730-9887 although there was a SNAFU with Voice strips
recently (dunno whether it was DDI's problem or Advanced Diabetes
Supply's problem) and so I'd probably start with Home Care Supply of
America although I'm not sure they work the insurance companies as well
as Advanced Diabetes Supply does.

(2) I'd keep the Autocode you have as a backup; Voice strips will work
in it (but not vice versa).

(3) I have *two* AccuCheck VoiceMates (both a bit flaky) sitting around.
I suppose you could take them to an electronics disposal place but I
haven't gotten around to this myself.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and
more


Hi All,
I have just purchased the Prodigy Voice from the Federations'
Independence Market and am looking forward to upgrading my meter. As a
result, I have some questions for the list.

1. Are the test strips easily findable at local drugstores, such as
Walgreens?

2. Since I am replacing my old original Prodigy meter (I think it was
one of the original talking meters) with this new one should I keep the
older meter as backup?

3. I still have my original meter (an Acu-Check VoiceMate that I am no
longer using. What is the best way of disposing of it?

Thanks for the help!

Yours in Federationism
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
    252-757-3023
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From batcave1941 at q.com  Wed Feb 18 02:33:53 2009
From: batcave1941 at q.com (darlene)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] why ???????????????????????????????
Message-ID: <COL115-DS70E10F5BA27B4D15EDD59AFB50@phx.gbl>

why  do  I  get  6  emails??   same  thing ???

cant  get  any  answers  to  my   questions??  chat  room?? 

or I don?t  know  how  to  work  this  site///
ready  to  delete''

From dmgina at samobile.net  Wed Feb 18 02:42:50 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:42:50 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] why ???????????????????????????????
Message-ID: <20090218024250.18153.59580@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Hi Darlene,
this is Dar here,
I don't know why you are getting six messages of the same message.
some times the computers just have problems that can't be explained.
I don't know what program you are using.
I hope the matter gets solved.
Some times this list is quite active, and other times folks are busy 
with other matters to write in.
I hope you stay, and know we will try to reply to messages when we can.
there is much I don't know, but I even would try to write.
Thanks for asking questions,
this is the only way to learn.

-- 
--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Feb 18 11:39:52 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:39:52 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] why ???????????????????????????????
In-Reply-To: <COL115-DS70E10F5BA27B4D15EDD59AFB50@phx.gbl>
References: <COL115-DS70E10F5BA27B4D15EDD59AFB50@phx.gbl>
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Are you saying you get six copies of each and every message posted here?

OSometimes a message is sent to more than one list, and if you ar3e 
subscribed to multiple lists, you will get multiple copies.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 08:33 PM 2/17/2009, you wrote:
>why  do  I  get  6  emails??   same  thing ???
>
>cant  get  any  answers  to  my   questions??  chat  room??
>
>or I don't  know  how  to  work  this  site///
>ready  to  delete''
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From paujor at fuse.net  Wed Feb 18 11:51:37 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
In-Reply-To: <010201c990a5$7a6b8480$6401a8c0@ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
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	<010201c990a5$7a6b8480$6401a8c0@ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
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Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to scan
it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill note.  
This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at Prodigy on
Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of their
instructions for the voice.  
Anything I hear is much appreciated. 

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


Hi Paul & Paula,

  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real find. I
monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and blind due
to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with it
too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe they
will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
changing the battery didn't help.

Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training him to
use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how to
operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test strip, the
Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It would
just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips, and
the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered that one
side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the strip,
and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test strips
in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and I did
not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip with
the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.  

Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, so you
can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between each
side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the strip.   

We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was inserted
correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to apply
blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and eventually
the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was a
visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually figured out
that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there was a
visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't remember. 
So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error codes,
and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and took the
reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down, and
gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much blood
on the strip when I take a reading.

I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind person
to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes are
displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to be
helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
switch to the Voice soon.

Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters on
the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link late
last year:
http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm

Hope these help, and good luck!

Regards,
  Buzz

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction

Paul:

Welcome to the list.

I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists NFB
operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a networking
device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are diabetic in
particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.

It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the meter
up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're getting
the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue. 
But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
message.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am 
totally
blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication. 
This
group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
voice, I
hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.

I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about 
3
months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me 
for
using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to 
apply
blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't 
beep
to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
its
good-bye song, and shuts off.
There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
else to do.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here

hello  folks,

where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare 
pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
know

thank you,jacky742
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From krivonak at comcast.net  Wed Feb 18 13:05:34 2009
From: krivonak at comcast.net (Buzz Krivonak)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:05:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] why ???????????????????????????????
In-Reply-To: <auto-000089171724@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <COL115-DS70E10F5BA27B4D15EDD59AFB50@phx.gbl>
	<auto-000089171724@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <016a01c991c9$964a1020$6401a8c0@ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>


David,

  just FYI -- I only get one of each message  

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:40 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] why ???????????????????????????????

Are you saying you get six copies of each and every message posted here?

OSometimes a message is sent to more than one list, and if you ar3e
subscribed to multiple lists, you will get multiple copies.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 08:33 PM 2/17/2009, you wrote:
>why  do  I  get  6  emails??   same  thing ???
>
>cant  get  any  answers  to  my   questions??  chat  room??
>
>or I don't  know  how  to  work  this  site/// ready  to  delete''
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>%40visi.com
>
>
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From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Wed Feb 18 14:15:31 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:15:31 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters
	andmore
References: <1995C741CC504D938A44892C3005A22E@Albert>
	<B78CEAE9762E4B92BC7C1B8E06A359AA@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <3669B887AF4E4DA6852BAA222C094EB0@Albert>

Thanks Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters 
andmore


> Al:
>
> (1) You probably won't find the Voice strips in a local drugstore. If
> you do, lucky you! One place from which to purchase them is Home Care
> Supply of America at (800) 333-1412. You'll also get to hear a lovely TX
> accent! (grin) You can also purchase Voice strips from Advanced Diabetes
> Supply at (800) 730-9887 although there was a SNAFU with Voice strips
> recently (dunno whether it was DDI's problem or Advanced Diabetes
> Supply's problem) and so I'd probably start with Home Care Supply of
> America although I'm not sure they work the insurance companies as well
> as Advanced Diabetes Supply does.
>
> (2) I'd keep the Autocode you have as a backup; Voice strips will work
> in it (but not vice versa).
>
> (3) I have *two* AccuCheck VoiceMates (both a bit flaky) sitting around.
> I suppose you could take them to an electronics disposal place but I
> haven't gotten around to this myself.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:25 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and
> more
>
>
> Hi All,
> I have just purchased the Prodigy Voice from the Federations'
> Independence Market and am looking forward to upgrading my meter. As a
> result, I have some questions for the list.
>
> 1. Are the test strips easily findable at local drugstores, such as
> Walgreens?
>
> 2. Since I am replacing my old original Prodigy meter (I think it was
> one of the original talking meters) with this new one should I keep the
> older meter as backup?
>
> 3. I still have my original meter (an Acu-Check VoiceMate that I am no
> longer using. What is the best way of disposing of it?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Yours in Federationism
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
>    252-757-3023
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From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Wed Feb 18 14:16:14 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:16:14 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old
	metersand	more
References: <1995C741CC504D938A44892C3005A22E@Albert><B78CEAE9762E4B92BC7C1B8E06A359AA@owner96190708e>
	<2F13F2D153BF4ECAB56FE30D8E320CD2@Vincent>
Message-ID: <3250E752B69944F3B6233DA934EEC582@Albert>

Thanks Vincent
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vincent Chaney" <vgc732 at optonline.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old metersand 
more


> Al,
>
> I have kept my old meters as back-up in the event I should have any 
> problems
> with my fairly new Prodigy Voice I received in November. The Prodigy Voice
> has not had any issue, though I may have tested a number of times extra as 
> I
> am from New Jersey, with diabetes for 46 plus years and do not bleed 
> easily
> over the winter and have multi-tested to validate a result.
>
> To add the company I have received my "Prodigy Voice Test Strips" from to
> our group messages, "Advanced Diabetic Solutions" and who were happy to 
> join
> us this past November when we began our Diabetes Division of the National
> Federation of the Blind of New Jersey. This is the company from Atlanta, 
> Ga
> that has a similar name to the one Mike has given from California. For any
> state who invite exhibitors to their state convention, I would highly
> recommend "Advanced Diabetic Solutions",
> http://www.advanceddiabeticsolutions.net/
> as they worked very well with us and our 35 members who started our
> division. Their toll free number is 888-377-6382. Tina Rockwell, Ext. 13 
> is
> whom our group from New Jersey call. Jordan Benis, along with Tina, 
> brought
> the Prodigy Voice to NJ and allowed us to test ourselves with their single
> use lancets to understand how easy this machine was to use.
>
> Vincent Chaney, President
> Diabetes Division of the National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and
> more
>
>
> Al:
>
> (1) You probably won't find the Voice strips in a local drugstore. If
> you do, lucky you! One place from which to purchase them is Home Care
> Supply of America at (800) 333-1412. You'll also get to hear a lovely TX
> accent! (grin) You can also purchase Voice strips from Advanced Diabetes
> Supply at (800) 730-9887 although there was a SNAFU with Voice strips
> recently (dunno whether it was DDI's problem or Advanced Diabetes
> Supply's problem) and so I'd probably start with Home Care Supply of
> America although I'm not sure they work the insurance companies as well
> as Advanced Diabetes Supply does.
>
> (2) I'd keep the Autocode you have as a backup; Voice strips will work
> in it (but not vice versa).
>
> (3) I have *two* AccuCheck VoiceMates (both a bit flaky) sitting around.
> I suppose you could take them to an electronics disposal place but I
> haven't gotten around to this myself.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:25 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Questions regarding discarding old meters and
> more
>
>
> Hi All,
> I have just purchased the Prodigy Voice from the Federations'
> Independence Market and am looking forward to upgrading my meter. As a
> result, I have some questions for the list.
>
> 1. Are the test strips easily findable at local drugstores, such as
> Walgreens?
>
> 2. Since I am replacing my old original Prodigy meter (I think it was
> one of the original talking meters) with this new one should I keep the
> older meter as backup?
>
> 3. I still have my original meter (an Acu-Check VoiceMate that I am no
> longer using. What is the best way of disposing of it?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Yours in Federationism
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
>    252-757-3023
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 18 14:24:22 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:24:22 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
	MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
Message-ID: <003a01c991d4$99053780$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rebecca Lee 
To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....





'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.' 
-- Oscar Wilde


-----Original Message-----
From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
To: pch155 at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....



      Suppose its worth a shot....


      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net> wrote:

        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob" <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig" <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>, "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>, "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll" <shirlstoll at charter.net>
        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM


I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.

> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:39:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA
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From daved at lightwave.net  Wed Feb 18 17:46:21 2009
From: daved at lightwave.net (Daved Daly)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:46:21 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
	GOOD MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
In-Reply-To: <003a01c991d4$99053780$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <003a01c991d4$99053780$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <cfbf63f60902180946pc4e5e1cr93ecda74246c76ee@mail.gmail.com>

One of the oldest, most recognizable internet urban myths ever.

In other news.. if you forward this to 43 billion people... the NFB will
cure your blindness.  I swear, I read it online.  It must be true.  Even my
cat received a check for $29,912.421,123.12  which is like pennies to these
megacorporations, and a lawyer and a Joe the Plumber said it was true also.


From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 19 01:44:56 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com>

Greetings, everyone!

I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me at k7uij at panix.com.

Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.

I look forward to the discussion.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind



From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 19 01:45:00 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
Message-ID: <20090219014500.k7uij@panix.com>

Greetings, all.

For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of the American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen Becker, I often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest editorial is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I wholeheartedly endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.

In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that, when five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a particular item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total carb count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now appears that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by anaerobic bacteria! FASCINATING!

And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy Voice is favorably mentioned and accurately described.

I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes even edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).

Mike Freeman



From Blindhands at aol.com  Thu Feb 19 01:55:45 2009
From: Blindhands at aol.com (Blindhands at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
Message-ID: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621@aol.com>

What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What  research 
is being done today and how can it help us.
 
These are topics I would be interested in.
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Thu Feb 19 03:12:10 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
Message-ID: <20090219031210.7483.82513@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Oh me,
What on earth are Dan dues?
I don't understand.
Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the meetings.

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From krivonak at comcast.net  Thu Feb 19 03:11:57 2009
From: krivonak at comcast.net (Buzz Krivonak)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
In-Reply-To: <001b01c991bf$413fc890$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
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Paul,

   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call Prodigy. 

Regards,
  Buzz 

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula Jordan
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction

Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to scan
it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill note.  
This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at Prodigy on
Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of their
instructions for the voice.  
Anything I hear is much appreciated. 

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


Hi Paul & Paula,

  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real find. I
monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and blind due
to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with it
too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe they
will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
changing the battery didn't help.

Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training him to
use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how to
operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test strip, the
Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It would
just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips, and
the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered that one
side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the strip,
and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test strips
in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and I did
not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip with
the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.  

Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, so you
can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between each
side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the strip.   

We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was inserted
correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to apply
blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and eventually
the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was a
visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually figured out
that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there was a
visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't remember. 
So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error codes,
and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and took the
reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down, and
gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much blood
on the strip when I take a reading.

I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind person
to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes are
displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to be
helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
switch to the Voice soon.

Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters on
the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link late
last year:
http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm

Hope these help, and good luck!

Regards,
  Buzz

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction

Paul:

Welcome to the list.

I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists NFB
operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a networking
device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are diabetic in
particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.

It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the meter
up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're getting
the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue. 
But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
message.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction


I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am totally
blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication. 
This
group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the voice, I
hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.

I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about
3
months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me for
using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to apply
blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't beep
to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings its
good-bye song, and shuts off.
There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
else to do.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here

hello  folks,

where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare 
pay
for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?

is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
know

thank you,jacky742
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From spuron73 at jestiles.com  Thu Feb 19 03:29:41 2009
From: spuron73 at jestiles.com (Jacques E. Stiles)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
Message-ID: <499CD225.40203@jestiles.com>

 Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for 
this!   JES/D  :-) :-)

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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 19 03:42:04 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
	GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
References: <003a01c991d4$99053780$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A@owner96190708e>

This is off-topic for this list.

And it is a hoax.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON 
GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rebecca Lee
To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING 
AMERICA TODAY.....





'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
-- Oscar Wilde


-----Original Message-----
From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
To: pch155 at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING 
AMERICA TODAY.....



      Suppose its worth a shot....


      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net> 
wrote:

        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD 
MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob" 
<rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and 
Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig" <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>, 
"Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>, 
"Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll" 
<shirlstoll at charter.net>
        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM


I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 19 04:18:24 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
References: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8A74DE9E477445CAA16EBE4E7DC3AC3D@owner96190708e>

Thanks!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What 
research
is being done today and how can it help us.

These are topics I would be interested in.
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 09:59:35 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
In-Reply-To: <20090219031210.7483.82513@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
References: <20090219031210.7483.82513@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS236014993D99AD1A9A660A1B20@phx.gbl>

there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is $15 if I 
am not mistaken, but using this list is free.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


> Oh me,
> What on earth are Dan dues?
> I don't understand.
> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the 
> meetings.
>
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 19 15:03:00 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <005001c992a3$2a4c7c70$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

the cure for type 1 diabetes
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN 
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for 
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and 
> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you 
> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, 
> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, 
> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that 
> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate 
> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may 
> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one 
> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent 
> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Thu Feb 19 15:54:00 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
Message-ID: <20090219155400.18198.87007@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Mike,
to add and subtract just never works for me.
I just don't get the understanding of it.
If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop everything.
I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can do.
Going to the store is a night dream.
People see what they see, and that is that.
I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if 
they have to read to much.
so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
As well as making salads.
then doing what I do for each meal.
I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in town 
that most folks get.
I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as good 
as they are.

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From ebryant at socket.net  Thu Feb 19 19:46:20 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with
	Diabetes
Message-ID: <007501c992ca$bcb69060$3623b120$@net>

Hi Folks,

                The following message is about HealthiFeet Foot Cream.  I
have not tried this product, so I do not how good it is, but I will let you
know after I have tested it.  

 

Regards,

Ed Bryant

 

From: Simon Ashdown [mailto:sashdown at tendercorp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:47 PM
To: ebryant at socket.net
Subject: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes

 

Hi Ed, 

 

Pls let me know if you need additional info on or samples of HealthiFeet. 

 

Best regards, 

 

--Simon Ashdown, Tender Corp.

 

 

TENDER CORP.?S HEALTHIFEET? PROVIDES CONSUMERS WITH SUSTAINED RELIEF FROM
FOOT DISCOMFORT

OVER THE COUNTER MOISTURIZING CREAM IDEAL FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES,
NEUROPATHY OR JUST PLAIN COLD FEET 

 

LITTLETON, N.H. (February 19th, 2009) ? Tender Corp., a leading manufacturer
of over-the-counter topical cream and first aid products designed to enhance
consumers? quality of life, today announced the release of HealthiFeet?. 

 

A topical moisturizing cream clinically proven to relieve foot discomfort,
HealthiFeet? contains L-Arginine, a naturally occurring amino acid which the
body uses to regulate circulation. The L-Arginine in HealthiFeet? is
transported through the skin transdermally by a patented delivery system,
restoring normal temperatures to cold feet and keeping them warm and
healthy. Developed by SST Inc., the patented penetrating formula of
HealthiFeet? naturally absorbs through your skin, exactly where you need it.

 

?Our feet mirror our overall health,? says Tender president Jennifer Cusick.
?Conditions such as nerve and circulatory disorders,? she continued, ?often
show their first symptoms in the feet. With three out of four Americans
experiencing serious foot problems at some point in their lives, proper foot
care becomes critical to maintaining a healthy, balanced lifestyle. Regular
use of HealthiFeet Foot Cream is essential to maintaining healthy feet.?

 

Proper foot care is especially important for people with neuropathy or
diabetes. Poor circulation in the feet of diabetics results in 82,000 foot
amputations each year1.  However, comprehensive foot care programs have been
shown to reduce amputations by 50%.2 

 

When used as directed, the podiatrist-recommended HealthiFeet? has been
clinically proven to increase blood flow by 33% - 35% and foot temperature
by five to eight degrees.3 As such, HealthiFeet? also provides a much-needed
solution for people who suffer with everyday cold feet. 

 

HOW TO APPLY HEALTHIFEET?

 

Simply rub HealthiFeet? Foot Cream into the feet for five minutes, liberally
covering the entire foot, top and bottom. Warmth can be experienced in less
than ten minutes and last for several hours. The warmth will occur gradually
and is an indication that HealthiFeet? is working to restore normal
temperatures to your feet. Apply the cream twice per day, morning and
evening, for seven days. After seven days, apply once per day to maintain
soft, healthy feet. 

 

HealthiFeet? comes in 1.8 OZ (MSRP$9.99) and 4 OZ (MSRP$19.99) tubes.
HealthiFeet? will be available nationally at Wal-Mart beginning in March
2009. 

 

About Tender Corporation

Tender Corporation is a privately owned and operated business located in the
heart of the White Mountains in Littleton, NH. The company maintains offices
and distribution centers in Barrie, Ontario; Rotterdam, Holland; Newbury,
England; and Oakland, California. Currently, its products are distributed
worldwide in over 40 countries. Founded in 1975, the firm manufactures and
markets the world-famous insect bite treatment, After Bite? -- The Itch
Eraser?, a full line of well-known insect repellents, first-aid (treatments,
sunburn and windburn products, as well as activity-specific first aid kits
and survival gear through its outdoor division Adventure? Medical Kits. 

More recently, Tender has established exclusive partnerships with Z-Medica?
(maker of the hemostatic product QuikClot?) and Strategic Science
Technologies, LLC (maker of the foot moisturizing cream HealthiFeet?) to
distribute their products through food, drug and mass retail channels. The
company also maintains a contract packaging division, which produces OTC
products for a variety of clients. Many of Tender?s products are packaged in
innovative ways that make them extremely convenient to use as well as
environmentally responsible. Partial proceeds from the sale of the company?s
products go to Tender Corporation?s Environmental Scholarship Fund. Complete
product information is available on the company's web site:
www.tendercorp.com <http://www.tendercorp.com/> 

 

 



 

 

1 American Diabetes Association 

2National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases ?Ten
Agencies Launch National Campaign to Reduce Amputation Rate?

3Diabetes Care, Volume 27, Number 1: 284-285, 2004

 

Twitter: HealthiFeet

Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/HealthiFeet/41360911271?ref=ts

 

 

 

 

Simon Ashdown

Director of Public Relations

Tender Corp. & Adventure Medical Kits

T: 905.763.7137 M: 416.560.9016

E: sashdown at tendercorp.com

www.tendercorp.com & www.adventuremedicalkits.com

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From ebryant at socket.net  Thu Feb 19 19:52:55 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:55 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
In-Reply-To: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com>
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net>

Hi Mike,
	It would be nice to have a good speaker discuss podiatry issues or
renal issues.  

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:45 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker

Greetings, everyone!

I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN
Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and who
plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you like
to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, February 23
if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please don't
hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the keynote
speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your input on
the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me at
k7uij at panix.com.

Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one o'clock
to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent payment
of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.

I look forward to the discussion.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind

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From ebryant at socket.net  Thu Feb 19 20:49:51 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Welcome
Message-ID: <000a01c992d3$9c7f6840$d57e38c0$@net>

Hi Paul,

                It is nice having you on our list, and I think you will be
enlightened.  We work together to help each other, and try to answer all
questions regarding diabetes and blindness.  

Again, welcome aboard.

 

Best regards,

Ed Bryant



From JWilson at nfb.org  Thu Feb 19 22:24:43 2009
From: JWilson at nfb.org (Wilson,
	Joanne)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:24:43 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog policy
 does not discriminate
Message-ID: <auto-000089497528@mailfront2.g2host.com>


----------
From: Brammer, Robert [AG] [mailto:rbrammer at ag.state.ia.us]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:53 PM
To: Brammer, Robert [AG]
Subject: Atty. Gen. release: Jury finds IA Dept. 
for Blind's guide dog policy does not discriminate

To News Editors.   From Bob Brammer (Iowa 
Attorney General?s Office ? 515-281-6699.)
Please find a release pasted below.  This will be 
posted soon at 
<http://www.iowaattorneygeneral.org/>www.IowaAttorneyGeneral.org 
.  A jury entered a verdict Wednesday in this 
case in Polk County District Court.
Best regards,  Bram
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

For immediate release ? Thursday, February 19, 2009.
Contact Bob Brammer ? 515-281-6699

Jury finds Iowa Department for the Blind?s
Guide Dog Policy Does Not Discriminate

             Des Moines.  A Polk County jury has 
rejected a Des Moines woman?s claim that the 
State of Iowa Department for the Blind 
discriminated against her by refusing her request 
to use a guide dog while she attended the 
Department?s orientation and adjustment training program.

             The Department for the Blind 
orientation and training program is a 
comprehensive program that utilizes a totally 
non-visual approach to teaching blindness 
skills.  Students with partial vision are 
required to wear eyeshades to prevent reliance 
upon any visual cues during training.  Department 
policies prohibit the use of any visual aids 
within the orientation and training program, 
including guide dogs.  The Department has no 
objection to guide dogs in other situations.

             Stephanie Dohmen, who is legally 
blind, attended the program for several months 
beginning in September 2000 and sought to 
re-enter the program in June 2002 accompanied by her guide dog.

             Dohmen claimed in her lawsuit that 
the Department?s policy violated her rights under 
the Iowa Civil Rights Act and under federal laws 
that prohibit discrimination on the basis of disability.

             After a six-day trial, the 
eight-person jury rejected Dohmen?s claims in a verdict entered Wednesday.


             The Department for the Blind, which 
was represented in the trial by the Iowa Attorney 
General?s Office, argued that a totally 
non-visual approach ? and training without 
assistance of a guide-dog or other visual aids ? 
is the most effective approach for 
visually-impaired persons who are learning skills 
and techniques for dealing with blindness.

             The Department places no limitations 
upon the use of guide dogs in other settings, 
including in the Department for the Blind 
building in downtown Des Moines.   For example, 
Karen Keninger, the Director of the Department, 
uses a guide dog, and the dog accompanied 
Keninger during her testimony at the trial.

             The orientation program typically 
includes about six months of full-time training 
in various problem-solving skills, such as 
cane-travel on public streets, using Braille, 
using computers, and dealing with many other situations.

             The Department for the Blind?s 
orientation and adjustment program was 
established in 1959 and is considered by many to 
be one of the most effective in the country.

             During the trial, the State 
Department for the Blind presented testimony from 
Joanne Wilson and Frederic K. Schroeder, each a 
former Commissioner of the U.S. Rehabilitation 
Services Administration, which oversees programs 
for the blind around the country.

             ?Iowa?s orientation program 
profoundly changes lives,? said Wilson, who also 
is Executive Director of the National Federation 
of the Blind.  ?It works.  It?s a cutting-edge 
program and a model for other states.?  Wilson is 
a Webster City native and ISU graduate who went 
through the Iowa Department for the Blind?s orientation program herself.

             Schroeder said:  ?To me the central 
point is that individuals have a choice in the 
type of training they take.  While programs must 
and should make reasonable accommodations, they 
cannot be required to alter the fundamentals of the program.?

- 30 -





From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Feb 20 00:23:45 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:23:45 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People
	with	Diabetes
Message-ID: <20090220002345.10278.73721@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

I am confused on the prices of this cream.
Also would this be able to be paid for with your insurance?
Or because it is over the counter you must pay it yourself?
Is four ounces larger than eight ounces?

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From bandbjacobs at verizon.net  Fri Feb 20 03:07:58 2009
From: bandbjacobs at verizon.net (The Jacobs' Family)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:07:58 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
References: <mailman.81.1235066407.3954.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <001901c99308$6ef289e0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>

Hi Mike and Friends:  Is there any hope left for the insurance field or 
what???  Especially for anyone on Medicare???  It's all so bass 
ackwards!!!I'd like to see that covered at some point...and possibly they 
can present it with some hope particularly for diabetics???  Outside of 
moving to Canada???  I was told by someone who lives there that everyone is 
covered.  I might be willing to pay higher taxes if we could get some "REAL" 
healthcare out of it.

Bern
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>   1. DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   2. January Diabetes Forecast Articles (Mike Freeman)
>   3. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Blindhands at aol.com)
>   4. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>   5. Re: introduction (Buzz Krivonak)
>   6. Proposal to Obama (Jacques E. Stiles)
>   7. Re: Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOODMORNING
>      AMERICA TODAY..... (Mike Freeman)
>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (cheryl echevarria)
>  10. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (catdancing)
>  11. Re: January Diabetes Forecast Articles (d m gina)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij at panix.com>
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> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN 
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for 
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and 
> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you 
> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, 
> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, 
> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that 
> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate 
> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may 
> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one 
> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent 
> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090219014500.k7uij at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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> Greetings, all.
>
> For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the 
> January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of the 
> American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen Becker, I 
> often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest editorial 
> is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I wholeheartedly 
> endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.
>
> In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that, when 
> five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a particular 
> item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total carb 
> count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the 
> fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now appears 
> that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by anaerobic 
> bacteria! FASCINATING!
>
> And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy Voice is 
> favorably mentioned and accurately described.
>
> I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of 
> "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes even 
> edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621 at aol.com>
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> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What 
> research
> is being done today and how can it help us.
>
> These are topics I would be interested in.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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> Oh me,
> What on earth are Dan dues?
> I don't understand.
> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the 
> meetings.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
> From: "Buzz Krivonak" <krivonak at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <018601c9923f$d877e1e0$6401a8c0 at ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
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>
> Paul,
>
>   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call Prodigy.
>
> Regards,
>  Buzz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula Jordan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
> Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to scan
> it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill note.
> This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at Prodigy 
> on
> Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of their
> instructions for the voice.
> Anything I hear is much appreciated.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
>
> Hi Paul & Paula,
>
>  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real find. I
> monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and blind 
> due
> to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with it
> too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe they
> will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
> changing the battery didn't help.
>
> Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training him 
> to
> use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how to
> operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test strip, 
> the
> Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
> count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It would
> just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips, and
> the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered that 
> one
> side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the 
> strip,
> and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test 
> strips
> in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and I 
> did
> not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip 
> with
> the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.
>
> Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, so 
> you
> can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between each
> side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the strip.
>
> We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was 
> inserted
> correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to 
> apply
> blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and 
> eventually
> the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was a
> visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually figured 
> out
> that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there was 
> a
> visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't remember.
> So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error 
> codes,
> and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and took 
> the
> reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down, and
> gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much 
> blood
> on the strip when I take a reading.
>
> I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind 
> person
> to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes are
> displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to be
> helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
> switch to the Voice soon.
>
> Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters on
> the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link late
> last year:
> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm
>
> Hope these help, and good luck!
>
> Regards,
>  Buzz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
> Paul:
>
> Welcome to the list.
>
> I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists NFB
> operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a 
> networking
> device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are diabetic 
> in
> particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.
>
> It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the meter
> up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
> strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're getting
> the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
> But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
> message.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
>
> I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am 
> totally
> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
> This
> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the voice, 
> I
> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>
> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about
> 3
> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me 
> for
> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to 
> apply
> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't 
> beep
> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings its
> good-bye song, and shuts off.
> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
> else to do.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>
> hello  folks,
>
> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare
> pay
> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>
> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
> know
>
> thank you,jacky742
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
> From: "Jacques E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
> To: "A - J.E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
> Message-ID: <499CD225.40203 at jestiles.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for
> this!   JES/D  :-) :-)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS
> ON GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> This is off-topic for this list.
>
> And it is a hoax.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
> GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Rebecca Lee
> To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
> AMERICA TODAY.....
>
>
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>
>
> 'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
> -- Oscar Wilde
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
> To: pch155 at aol.com
> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
> Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
> AMERICA TODAY.....
>
>
>
>      Suppose its worth a shot....
>
>
>      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
> MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob"
> <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and
> Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig" <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>,
> "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>,
> "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll"
> <shirlstoll at charter.net>
>        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM
>
>
> I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.
>
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>> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
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> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
> research
> is being done today and how can it help us.
>
> These are topics I would be interested in.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is $15 if 
> I
> am not mistaken, but using this list is free.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
>> Oh me,
>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>> I don't understand.
>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>> meetings.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> the cure for type 1 diabetes
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
>> Greetings, everyone!
>>
>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN
>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and
>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you
>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion,
>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that
>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate
>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you 
>> may
>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>
>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and 
>> consequent
>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>
>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>
>> Mike Freeman, President
>> Diabetes Action Network
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>
> Mike,
> to add and subtract just never works for me.
> I just don't get the understanding of it.
> If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop 
> everything.
> I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can do.
> Going to the store is a night dream.
> People see what they see, and that is that.
> I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if
> they have to read to much.
> so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
> As well as making salads.
> then doing what I do for each meal.
> I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in town
> that most folks get.
> I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as good
> as they are.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Feb 20 04:29:50 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:29:50 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
References: <20090219031210.7483.82513@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <C3B77CAEBF414A428807F94B8BC77A18@owner96190708e>

The Diabetes Action Network, like every other division within NFB has, 
or ought to have, annual dues.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


Oh me,
What on earth are Dan dues?
I don't understand.
Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the 
meetings.

-- 
--Dar
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Feb 20 05:13:11 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:13:11 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
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Thanks.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


Hi Mike,
It would be nice to have a good speaker discuss podiatry issues or
renal issues.

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:45 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker

Greetings, everyone!

I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's 
DAN
Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and 
who
plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you 
like
to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, 
February 23
if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please don't
hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the keynote
speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your input 
on
the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me at
k7uij at panix.com.

Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one 
o'clock
to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent 
payment
of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.

I look forward to the discussion.

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind

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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Feb 20 05:34:29 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:34:29 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
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Bern:

I've thought this might be a good topic if I can find the right speaker.

I think there may actually be some hope on this although I suspect a 
solution that would satisfy you would mean a national health care 
program but that's only an opinion. Whatever happens, it certainly seems 
as though people are beginning to worry more about the problem.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker


Hi Mike and Friends:  Is there any hope left for the insurance field or
what???  Especially for anyone on Medicare???  It's all so bass
ackwards!!!I'd like to see that covered at some point...and possibly 
they
can present it with some hope particularly for diabetics???  Outside of
moving to Canada???  I was told by someone who lives there that everyone 
is
covered.  I might be willing to pay higher taxes if we could get some 
"REAL"
healthcare out of it.

Bern
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>   1. DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   2. January Diabetes Forecast Articles (Mike Freeman)
>   3. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Blindhands at aol.com)
>   4. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>   5. Re: introduction (Buzz Krivonak)
>   6. Proposal to Obama (Jacques E. Stiles)
>   7. Re: Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOODMORNING
>      AMERICA TODAY..... (Mike Freeman)
>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (cheryl echevarria)
>  10. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (catdancing)
>  11. Re: January Diabetes Forecast Articles (d m gina)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's 
> DAN
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question 
> for
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention 
> and
> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would 
> you
> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion,
> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees 
> that
> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would 
> appreciate
> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you 
> may
> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and 
> consequent
> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090219014500.k7uij at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Greetings, all.
>
> For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the
> January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of 
> the
> American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen Becker, 
> I
> often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest 
> editorial
> is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I 
> wholeheartedly
> endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.
>
> In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that, 
> when
> five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a 
> particular
> item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total 
> carb
> count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the
> fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now appears
> that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by 
> anaerobic
> bacteria! FASCINATING!
>
> And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy 
> Voice is
> favorably mentioned and accurately described.
>
> I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of
> "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes 
> even
> edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
> research
> is being done today and how can it help us.
>
> These are topics I would be interested in.
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090219031210.7483.82513 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Oh me,
> What on earth are Dan dues?
> I don't understand.
> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
> meetings.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
> From: "Buzz Krivonak" <krivonak at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <018601c9923f$d877e1e0$6401a8c0 at ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Paul,
>
>   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call 
> Prodigy.
>
> Regards,
>  Buzz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula 
> Jordan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
> Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to 
> scan
> it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill 
> note.
> This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at 
> Prodigy
> on
> Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of their
> instructions for the voice.
> Anything I hear is much appreciated.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
>
> Hi Paul & Paula,
>
>  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real 
> find. I
> monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and 
> blind
> due
> to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with 
> it
> too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe 
> they
> will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
> changing the battery didn't help.
>
> Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training 
> him
> to
> use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how 
> to
> operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test 
> strip,
> the
> Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
> count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It 
> would
> just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips, 
> and
> the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered 
> that
> one
> side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the
> strip,
> and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test
> strips
> in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and 
> I
> did
> not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip
> with
> the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.
>
> Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, 
> so
> you
> can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between 
> each
> side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the 
> strip.
>
> We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was
> inserted
> correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to
> apply
> blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and
> eventually
> the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was 
> a
> visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually 
> figured
> out
> that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there 
> was
> a
> visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't 
> remember.
> So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error
> codes,
> and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and 
> took
> the
> reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down, 
> and
> gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much
> blood
> on the strip when I take a reading.
>
> I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind
> person
> to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes 
> are
> displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to 
> be
> helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
> switch to the Voice soon.
>
> Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters 
> on
> the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link 
> late
> last year:
> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm
>
> Hope these help, and good luck!
>
> Regards,
>  Buzz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
> Paul:
>
> Welcome to the list.
>
> I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists 
> NFB
> operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a
> networking
> device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are 
> diabetic
> in
> particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.
>
> It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the 
> meter
> up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
> strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're 
> getting
> the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
> But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
> message.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>
>
> I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
> totally
> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
> This
> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
> voice,
> I
> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>
> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was 
> given,
> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for 
> about
> 3
> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks 
> me
> for
> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to
> apply
> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it 
> doesn't
> beep
> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
> its
> good-bye song, and shuts off.
> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or 
> what
> else to do.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>
> hello  folks,
>
> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose 
> Medicare
> pay
> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>
> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so 
> don't
> know
>
> thank you,jacky742
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
> From: "Jacques E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
> To: "A - J.E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
> Message-ID: <499CD225.40203 at jestiles.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for
> this!   JES/D  :-) :-)
>
> -- 
>
> -----------
> Take your time going, but hurry up every little chance you get on the 
> way
> back.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS
> ON GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> This is off-topic for this list.
>
> And it is a hoax.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
> GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Rebecca Lee
> To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
> AMERICA TODAY.....
>
>
>
>
>
> 'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
> -- Oscar Wilde
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
> To: pch155 at aol.com
> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
> Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
> AMERICA TODAY.....
>
>
>
>      Suppose its worth a shot....
>
>
>      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
> MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob"
> <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and
> Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig" 
> <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>,
> "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>,
> "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll"
> <shirlstoll at charter.net>
>        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM
>
>
> I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.
>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:39:24 -0800 (PST)
>> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA
> TODAY.....
>> To: undisclosed recipient <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>
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>> Well?.call me crazy, but here goes??????.
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>> Subject: RE: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA
> TODAY.....
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>>
>> Here is that microsoft thing I was telling you about, see what you
>> think.
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>> Ok guys, my lawyer's paralegal sent this one to me and if it
> doesn't work, they are aware that we all will be coming to visit them
> for a
> law suit for false advertisement! J
>>
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>> THIS TOOK TWO PAGES OF THE TUESDAY20USA TODAY - IT IS FOR REAL
>>
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>> To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages,
>>
>> But this is from my friend Pearlas Sandborn and she really is
>>
>> an attorney.
>>
>>
>> If she says that this will work - It will work. After all,What have
>>
>> you got to lose?
>>
>>
>> SORRY EVERYBODY.. JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!! I'm an
>>
>> attorney, And I know the law. This thing is for real. Rest assured
>>
>
>
>> AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for
>>
>> fear of facing a multimillion-dollar class action suit similar to the
>> one
>>
>> filed by PepsiCo against General Electric not too long a go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Friends: Please do not take this for a junk letter.
>>
>> Bill Gates sharing his fortune. If you ignore this, You will repent
>>
>> later .
>>
>>
>>
>> Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet companies
>>
>> and in an effort to make sure that Internet Explorer remains the
>>
>> most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail
>>
>> beta test.
>>
>>
>>
>> When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will
>>
>> track it (If you are a Microsoft Windows user) For a two weeks
>>
>> time period.
>>
>>
>>
>> For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay
>>
>> you $245.00 For every person that you sent it to that forwards it on,
>>
>> Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that
>> receives
>>
>> it, You will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will 
>> contact
>>
>> you for your address and then send you a check.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards. Charles S Bailey Genera l Manager Field Oper ations
>>
>> 1-800-842-2332 Ext.. 1085 or 9
> 04-1085 or RNX 292-1085
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks af ter receiving this
>>
>> e-mail and for warding it on. Microsoft contacted me for my address a
>> nd
>>
>> within days, I received a check for $24, 800.00 . You need to respond
>>
>> before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this, Bill 
>> gates
>> is
> the
>>
>> man.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many
>>
>> people as possible. You are bound to get at least $10, 000.00
>>
>> We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without
>>
>> getting a little something for our time.. My brother's girlfriend got
> in
>>
>> on this a few months ago. When I went to visit him for the Baylor/UT
>>
>> game, she showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4, 324.44 and
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>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail.
> See how it works.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <8A74DE9E477445CAA16EBE4E7DC3AC3D at owner96190708e>
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> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
> research
> is being done today and how can it help us.
>
> These are topics I would be interested in.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS236014993D99AD1A9A660A1B20 at phx.gbl>
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> there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is $15 
> if
> I
> am not mistaken, but using this list is free.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
>> Oh me,
>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>> I don't understand.
>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>> meetings.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> the cure for type 1 diabetes
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
>> Greetings, everyone!
>>
>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's 
>> DAN
>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question 
>> for
>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention 
>> and
>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would 
>> you
>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this 
>> discussion,
>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees 
>> that
>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would 
>> appreciate
>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or 
>> you
>> may
>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>
>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>> consequent
>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>
>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>
>> Mike Freeman, President
>> Diabetes Action Network
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090219155400.18198.87007 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Mike,
> to add and subtract just never works for me.
> I just don't get the understanding of it.
> If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop
> everything.
> I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can 
> do.
> Going to the store is a night dream.
> People see what they see, and that is that.
> I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if
> they have to read to much.
> so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
> As well as making salads.
> then doing what I do for each meal.
> I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in town
> that most folks get.
> I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as 
> good
> as they are.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
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From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Fri Feb 20 09:44:01 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net>
	<09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>

Hi List
I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to 
post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have been 
able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent 
product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy 
people!
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023




From paujor at fuse.net  Fri Feb 20 13:09:25 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
Message-ID: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>

As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been diagnosed
as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues, 

Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with whether
or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
she hasn't said anything about this.  

When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my hands
on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."  

The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and, I
don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
have sighted help, 

They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not knowing
what to do. 

Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places to
contact for this type of help. 

Thanks in advance.  

 

Paul



From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Feb 20 14:04:38 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:04:38 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e>
	<88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
Message-ID: <D1DB1413B8FA4A7096BC674ADB98A51F@owner96190708e>

Good show, old man!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice


Hi List
I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to
post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have 
been
able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
people!
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023


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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Feb 20 15:55:24 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:55:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
Message-ID: <20090220155524.24899.71846@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

My diabetic coordinator is the one who spoke with me on how to watch carbs.
She said she could do this, but I would have to speak with the 
dietitian on behalf of watching other matters.
But the most part was how many carbs you are allowed to have per meal.
I am allowed forty five carbs.
they go on your weight and how tall you are.
this is what I am told in Montana.
please ask for a diabetic coordinator to help you out.
Yes my husband and I are both blind
We don't have the sighted help either.
Bug them nag them and do what you need to do.
Don't let them get away with this.
I hope this helps.

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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Feb 20 16:42:48 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
Message-ID: <20090220164248.835.44515@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Is this something you are asking for this list to have dues?
Is this something you will ask for at convention?
Just wanted to ask?
Can you do this when you are just doing emails?
I also am on nagdu where I haven't paid dues but am allowed to read 
what they are doing?

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From ebryant at socket.net  Fri Feb 20 19:20:25 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for
	People	with	Diabetes
In-Reply-To: <20090220002345.10278.73721@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
References: <20090220002345.10278.73721@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <001501c99390$484d50d0$d8e7f270$@net>

Dar,
	The post said in part "HealthiFeetT comes in 1.8 OZ (MSRP$9.99) and
4 OZ (MSRP$19.99) tubes." The 1.8 ounce tube is slightly less than one half
of the tube which contains 4 ounces.  I hope this answers your question.

Regards,
Ed Bryant

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From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:24 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with
Diabetes

I am confused on the prices of this cream.
Also would this be able to be paid for with your insurance?
Or because it is over the counter you must pay it yourself?
Is four ounces larger than eight ounces?

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From ebryant at socket.net  Fri Feb 20 20:20:42 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:20:42 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
References: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <001c01c99398$b46f60c0$1d4e2240$@net>

Hi Paul,
	You should definitely have a food plan as we should all strive to
keep our diabetes in check.  Apparently, the CDE you went to does not
understand blindness, and does not realize that blindness is not synonymous
with inability.
	My wife and I are totally blind and sometimes I face issues in which
sighted health professionals don't understand I can do pretty much anything
concerning my diabetes without sight.  
	So, please let me know where you live, and I will let you know if I
know any health professionals in your area.  Also, the Mayo Clinic in
Rochester, Minnesota publishes "Your Diabetes Diet: Exchange Lists."  This
publication is in frames, so you may not be able to read it, but you can
find it at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-diet/DA00077.  
	Incidentally, I have had diabetes for about 50 years and I find it
to be a nuisance, but a condition that can be managed.  
	Also, if you would like me to telephone you, please, send your phone
number and where you live in a private email, I will call.  

Best Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula Jordan
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:09 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question

As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been diagnosed
as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues, 

Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with whether
or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
she hasn't said anything about this.  

When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my hands
on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."  

The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and, I
don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
have sighted help, 

They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not knowing
what to do. 

Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places to
contact for this type of help. 

Thanks in advance.  

 

Paul

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From clevelandann at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 20:31:33 2009
From: clevelandann at sbcglobal.net (Ann Williams)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:31:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention
Message-ID: <510318.9302.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





If
you are attending the 2009 NFB Convention and you have had diabetes for more
than one year, you are invited to participate in a research study about the
accuracy of dosing with an insulin pen after receiving detailed
instructions.? For this study, I need to
recruit 40 blind people with diabetes and 40 sighted people with diabetes.

The
study will involve the following steps:

Before
     the convention, I will call you and ask you several questions to make sure
     you meet the requirements of the study.At
     the convention, you will need to sign an informed consent form.You
     will be given an appointment time to come to the study room.? All blind people in this study will listen
     to a recording of audio instructions in the use of an insulin pen, and
     sighted people in this study will look at visual instructions.? Everyone will have a chance to handle a
     pen and pen supplies, and may take as much time with the instructions,
     pens, and supplies as they wish, until they feel confident that they know
     how to use the pen.? Each
     person will be asked deliver ten specific doses of insulin into an
     injection ball ? a rubber ball commonly used to teach insulin injections.A
     research assistant will weigh the injection ball immediately before and
     immediately after delivery of the insulin, to find out exactly how much
     insulin was delivered.? The
     assistant will keep a record of all doses delivered.

Please note:?
If you participate in this study, you will not inject insulin into
yourself.? You will only learn how to use
a pen and inject doses into an injection ball. 

You
will receive no direct benefits for participating in the study.

As
a way of thanking you for your time and participation in the feasibility study,
you will receive a $10 gift certificate for WalMart after you complete steps
1-5 outlined above.? If you do not
complete steps 1-5, you will not receive the gift card.

You
may decide that you do not want to participate in this study for any reason at
all, and you do not need to explain your reason.? This would not affect you negatively in any
way.? In particular, your decision would
not affect your relationship with the NFB, with Case Western Reserve
University, or with the researcher, Ann Williams.

Are
you willing to participate in this study??
Or do you have further questions about this study?? If so, please contact the researcher:

Ann S. Williams,
PhD, RN, CDE

Email: ann.s.williams at case.edu 

Case Western
Reserve University

Cleveland,
Ohio? 44106

Phone:? 216-368-1704

?



From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Feb 21 03:41:12 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:41:12 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief
	for	People	with	Diabetes
Message-ID: <20090221034112.10206.48043@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

I am more confused as before.
Why is a four ounce tube $19 and the eiht ounce $9.99.
It seems to me that it should be turned around.
Since I am confused,
I probably wouldn't buy it.
thanks for trying.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Feb 21 04:23:50 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:23:50 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
References: <20090220164248.835.44515@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <128993ACD24C475DA7A6A7BCE7CDE8DD@owner96190708e>

Those who come to convention and who wish to join DAN would pay. Those 
not going to convention but who wish to join DAN would send dues to its 
Treasurer, Joy Stigile. You wouldn't have to pay dues if you just wish 
to participate on Diabetes-Talk. WE (NFB) have never charged for access 
to our lists and I doubt we ever will. But most divisions of NFB collect 
dues to transact their business and I believe that DAN should also, 
particularly in these days of economic down-turn.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


Is this something you are asking for this list to have dues?
Is this something you will ask for at convention?
Just wanted to ask?
Can you do this when you are just doing emails?
I also am on nagdu where I haven't paid dues but am allowed to read
what they are doing?

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--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From dmiller64 at tx.rr.com  Sat Feb 21 08:18:13 2009
From: dmiller64 at tx.rr.com (Donna Miller)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:18:13 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers
	Relieffor	People	with	Diabetes
References: <20090221034112.10206.48043@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <AE53449B1D3948D6A17511B7E94D9E17@FACDONNA>

I've got some foot cream that I use that has an Antibiotic that works really well.

I had a rash of some kind on my left foot and was able to get rid of it using this cream.


Donna Miller
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d m gina 
  To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relieffor People with Diabetes


  I am more confused as before.
  Why is a four ounce tube $19 and the eiht ounce $9.99.
  It seems to me that it should be turned around.
  Since I am confused,
  I probably wouldn't buy it.
  thanks for trying.

  -- 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Feb 21 17:18:26 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:18:26 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
Message-ID: <20090221171826.21413.74819@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

I understand what you are saying.
One of the things that gets me going to the conventions, you need money 
for food for getting to and from air port, for hotel and then and then 
and then.
I just don't know how everyone can come up with this every year.
Oh me.
all in my dreams.
then after a week it is all over.
I would love to meet people,
but to think I spent so much for one week is over whelming.
Just my thoughts.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Feb 21 17:34:56 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:34:56 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
References: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <7313F3AC0B72454B8F7D1AD10F5980C7@owner96190708e>

Paul:

What an outrage! I realize that my words may seem injudicious to legal 
eagles but I am moved to wonder how that CDE can claim that credential 
and sleep with a clean conscience at night having treated you so 
cavalierly. Your CDE should have arranged for you to work with a 
dietitian specializing in meal planning for diabetics so that said 
dietitian and you together could work out a meal plan that you both 
could live with and that would assist in your diabetes care.

In a word, Type 2 diabetes (which I presume you have) is a disorder 
wherein your body either makes insufficient insulin or does not use well 
the insulin that *is* made in order to get glucose (a simple sugar) from 
the blood into your body's cells so that they can have energy to do 
their thing. Ultimately, it's more complex than this but that's the 
essence. The nutrition category that raises one's blood glucose the most 
in general is that of carbohydrates so that one must balance how much, 
when and what one eats with how much energy one expends (as in exercise) 
and how much, if any, medication one takes to keep one's blood glucose 
at a near-normal level or as close to is as your doctor thinks you can 
handle. You therefore need an eating plan.

If you click on http://www.eatright.org you can find a dietitian in your 
area, hopefully one who specializes in dealing with diabetic 
meal-planning. If you go to my home page, that is, 
http://www.panix.com/~k7uij. you'll find links to a number of very 
useful resources that will tell you everything you could ever want or 
need to know about diabetes and then some.

One of the links is to Gary Scheiner's site, Integrated Diabetes 
Services, that actually can consult with you on all aspects of diabetes 
care including, I suspect, meal-planning, either on-line or over the 
telephone, for a fee, of course.

Which brings me to my next question: what, if any, health insurance do 
you have? I know that mine, Regence BlueCross, has advocate nurses who 
would assist me in gaining any help I needed if I asked them. Most 
mainline health insurance providers have something of the sort.

I can't believe your CDE seems as paralyzed re blindness as you make her 
(I presume it's a her) out to be! Although medical privacy probably 
precludes me talking about your specific case with the CDE, perhaps I 
can intervene to offer the resources of NFB and the Diabetes Action 
Network to enlighten her a bit on blindness. Also (although I can't 
guarantee this), we may have a DAN member in your area who can help you 
with a bit of local advocacy.

If you write me privately at my email address,

k7uij at panix.com

with your telephone number, I'd be glad to call you and talk with you at 
length about diabetes, diabetes care, the universe and everything.

Ed Bryant is also a fount of information.

You have a right to expect the same level of diabetes care as would 
anyone else who is sighted. In fact, it's vital; diabetes is one of 
those diseases that is controllable and said control is largely in the 
hands of the patient. But not controlling diabetes can lead to some 
rather unpleasant consequences in the long run.

If you are a subscriber to the NLS talking book program, may I recommend 
Gretchen Becker's book: "The First Year; Type Two Diabetes: A Guide for 
the Newly-diagnosed". If you are a subscriber to the digital talking 
book download pilot, you can download it along with a plethora of other 
good books on diabetes including the guides of the Joslin Diabetes 
Center and the American Diabetes Association (these are available on 
cassette, too, I should imagine, but I grabbed them from the digital 
download site).

Rest assured that you're not alone; what you're going through happened 
to all of us at one point except that you're getting the "helpless blind 
person" syndrome thrown in. We'll work through this together if you wish 
and assist you to advocate for yourself and to get the good diabetes 
care and advice you need. With it, you can live a normal, healthy life 
and, under almost all circumstances, diabetes, like blindness, can be 
reduced to the level of an infernal nuisance!

We're with you.

Warmly,

Mike Freeman, President
Diabetes Action Network
National Federation of the Blind

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:09 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question


As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been 
diagnosed
as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues,

Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with 
whether
or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, 
but
she hasn't said anything about this.

When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my 
hands
on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."

The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and, 
I
don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I 
don't
have sighted help,

They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not 
knowing
what to do.

Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places 
to
contact for this type of help.

Thanks in advance.



Paul

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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat Feb 21 18:07:29 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:07:29 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
References: <20090221171826.21413.74819@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <3FEC4C3FEF2E4E7F87F4A7711459B1A9@owner96190708e>

Dar:

I certainly hear you. And conventions are becoming more expensive by the 
year although hotels are hurting at the moment so perhaps they'll wake 
up a bit and figure they need customers (though obviously not 
impecunious ones). So please don't misinterpret what I say below as a 
lack of understanding or empathy.

But to some extent, where there's a will, there's a way. Although 
neither you nor I are as young as we once were, I can remember the days 
when we slept four or more to a room (I slept on the floor at one 
Washington Seminar) and one can live a long time on protein bars, peanut 
butter sandwiches, string cheese, some fruit -- you get the idea. Some 
folks find convention so inspiring or worthwhile that they make what 
would seem to others ludicrous sacrifices to attend.

And some folks save a bit each month -- even if only a bit -- to help. 
And they participate enough in their state NFB affiliate and local NFB 
chapters such that they are noticed and can get help to attend 
conventions if the affiliate has the wherewithal.

Only you know your circumstances and can judge what you can do and what 
not. And certainly it's not as easy to attend conventions now hotels are 
frowning more and more about bringing in food (as the Presidential Suite 
used to do). But it continues to surprise me how many people whom I 
thought could never manage it seem to get to the conventions. But this 
economy may well bring down the numbers a bit.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker


I understand what you are saying.
One of the things that gets me going to the conventions, you need money
for food for getting to and from air port, for hotel and then and then
and then.
I just don't know how everyone can come up with this every year.
Oh me.
all in my dreams.
then after a week it is all over.
I would love to meet people,
but to think I spent so much for one week is over whelming.
Just my thoughts.

-- 
--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From clevelandann at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 21 18:37:49 2009
From: clevelandann at sbcglobal.net (Ann Williams)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:37:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
References: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <49A049FD.3060307@sbcglobal.net>

Paul asked: " My next issue has to do with whether
or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
she hasn't said anything about this."

Yes!  You should have a food plan designed to meet your particular 
medical needs.  Furthermore, your meal plan should take into account 
your food preferences and your cultural background, if it affects what 
you eat and don't eat.  This is in all professional standards of 
diabetes care, which can be found on the web site of the American 
Diabetes Association at:
http://professional.diabetes.org/CPR_search.aspx

Paul also said, "The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted 
caregivers, and, I
don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
have sighted help, they throw up their hands in astonishment, and 
quickly fade away not knowing
what to do."

This is not acceptable, either legally or ethically.  Under the American 
with Disabilities Act, a CDE must provide reasonable accommodations to 
make sure that you can benefit from diabetes education services.  
Furthermore, the American Association of Diabetes Educators (AADE) has a 
very strong Position Statement about diabetes education for people with 
disabilities.  It states in no uncertain terms that diabetes educators 
must provide the same quality of care to people with disabilities as 
they do to people with no current disability.  An older position 
statement was published in 2002, and an update is due to be published 
this coming week or next.  AADE's Position Statements are available at:
http://www.diabeteseducator.org/About/position/position_statements.html
Scroll down to find the one about disabilities.

Now, to give your CDE the benefit of the doubt, I have to add that 
during their basic education, very few health care professionals have 
adequate preparation for working with blind people effectively.  (It's 
not right, but that is the way it is.)  So maybe your CDE needs some 
help knowing what she should do to serve you well.  You can tell her 
that AADE has a Disabilities Specialty Practice Group, with members who 
have experience working with people who have all kinds of disabilities.  
She can contact the Chair of that group (who happens to be me this year) 
to get hooked up with another CDE who can help coach her on appropriate 
ways to work with you and any other blind people who come to see her.

Ann Williams, PhD, RN, CDE



From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 21 19:43:05 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<7313F3AC0B72454B8F7D1AD10F5980C7@owner96190708e>
References: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<7313F3AC0B72454B8F7D1AD10F5980C7@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS52FC952B6863133411A42A1B00@phx.gbl>

Paul if you have questions pertaining to your insurance please post it, I am 
sure that everyone would love to hear how it is done, I can help or I can 
help off line.  Again, I am a Medical Insurance Specialist,

All I need to know if which one you have.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question


> Paul:
>
> What an outrage! I realize that my words may seem injudicious to legal
> eagles but I am moved to wonder how that CDE can claim that credential
> and sleep with a clean conscience at night having treated you so
> cavalierly. Your CDE should have arranged for you to work with a
> dietitian specializing in meal planning for diabetics so that said
> dietitian and you together could work out a meal plan that you both
> could live with and that would assist in your diabetes care.
>
> In a word, Type 2 diabetes (which I presume you have) is a disorder
> wherein your body either makes insufficient insulin or does not use well
> the insulin that *is* made in order to get glucose (a simple sugar) from
> the blood into your body's cells so that they can have energy to do
> their thing. Ultimately, it's more complex than this but that's the
> essence. The nutrition category that raises one's blood glucose the most
> in general is that of carbohydrates so that one must balance how much,
> when and what one eats with how much energy one expends (as in exercise)
> and how much, if any, medication one takes to keep one's blood glucose
> at a near-normal level or as close to is as your doctor thinks you can
> handle. You therefore need an eating plan.
>
> If you click on http://www.eatright.org you can find a dietitian in your
> area, hopefully one who specializes in dealing with diabetic
> meal-planning. If you go to my home page, that is,
> http://www.panix.com/~k7uij. you'll find links to a number of very
> useful resources that will tell you everything you could ever want or
> need to know about diabetes and then some.
>
> One of the links is to Gary Scheiner's site, Integrated Diabetes
> Services, that actually can consult with you on all aspects of diabetes
> care including, I suspect, meal-planning, either on-line or over the
> telephone, for a fee, of course.
>
> Which brings me to my next question: what, if any, health insurance do
> you have? I know that mine, Regence BlueCross, has advocate nurses who
> would assist me in gaining any help I needed if I asked them. Most
> mainline health insurance providers have something of the sort.
>
> I can't believe your CDE seems as paralyzed re blindness as you make her
> (I presume it's a her) out to be! Although medical privacy probably
> precludes me talking about your specific case with the CDE, perhaps I
> can intervene to offer the resources of NFB and the Diabetes Action
> Network to enlighten her a bit on blindness. Also (although I can't
> guarantee this), we may have a DAN member in your area who can help you
> with a bit of local advocacy.
>
> If you write me privately at my email address,
>
> k7uij at panix.com
>
> with your telephone number, I'd be glad to call you and talk with you at
> length about diabetes, diabetes care, the universe and everything.
>
> Ed Bryant is also a fount of information.
>
> You have a right to expect the same level of diabetes care as would
> anyone else who is sighted. In fact, it's vital; diabetes is one of
> those diseases that is controllable and said control is largely in the
> hands of the patient. But not controlling diabetes can lead to some
> rather unpleasant consequences in the long run.
>
> If you are a subscriber to the NLS talking book program, may I recommend
> Gretchen Becker's book: "The First Year; Type Two Diabetes: A Guide for
> the Newly-diagnosed". If you are a subscriber to the digital talking
> book download pilot, you can download it along with a plethora of other
> good books on diabetes including the guides of the Joslin Diabetes
> Center and the American Diabetes Association (these are available on
> cassette, too, I should imagine, but I grabbed them from the digital
> download site).
>
> Rest assured that you're not alone; what you're going through happened
> to all of us at one point except that you're getting the "helpless blind
> person" syndrome thrown in. We'll work through this together if you wish
> and assist you to advocate for yourself and to get the good diabetes
> care and advice you need. With it, you can live a normal, healthy life
> and, under almost all circumstances, diabetes, like blindness, can be
> reduced to the level of an infernal nuisance!
>
> We're with you.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:09 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
>
>
> As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been
> diagnosed
> as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues,
>
> Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with
> whether
> or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde,
> but
> she hasn't said anything about this.
>
> When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my
> hands
> on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."
>
> The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and,
> I
> don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I
> don't
> have sighted help,
>
> They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not
> knowing
> what to do.
>
> Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places
> to
> contact for this type of help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
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From daniel7047 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 21 20:06:36 2009
From: daniel7047 at yahoo.com (daniel strube)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:06:36 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] hello
Message-ID: <67EB68278A19424CA989592444D0A8E5@thirdcfa816237>

I realize that is kind of off topic but not really.  I am participating in a fund raising even and am asking for help it is to raise money to find a cure for neurofibromatosis.  this can cause diabetes so it does apply to the group.  I have this issue. for me it caused diabetes, congential glacoma, scholiosis.  the fund raising event is a 25k race/walk. may 9, 2009.  I am asking anyone who can donate any kind of money  no starting amount any is appreciated to help.  I am going to complete the whole 25 k.  please visit my page at
http://www.firstgiving.com/danielstrube
for those of you who have some sight in the group you'll see two pictures of me one of me prior to having my surgery to have the fibroma tumors removed and one of me current.  please feel free to write me off list with any questions.  thanks in advance and for all who do help I will be sure to let you know how things end going.  I have a personal goal of $5,000 and am off to a good start.  thanks

help us riase mone to find a cure for nf
http://www.firstgiving.com/danielstrube



From dmgina at samobile.net  Sat Feb 21 21:09:51 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:09:51 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
Message-ID: <20090221210951.14189.50307@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Gosh I am pleased that so many can go.
Where this is a vacation for all.
Now I just need to get the medicines down to mild roars and maybe some 
day I can get to a state convention.

I just learned that starting in May there is a straight threw flight to 
California.
Maybe some day they will have a convention there.
Then I could take a flight to the convention with out spending a whole 
day flying.
I didn't know as a diabetic I could have a bar for meals and be safe.
See so much I need to learn.
I have a fear of God traveling and something happening to me.
I don't know why, but I do, so I don't go far either.
I admire all of you who are willing to take the challenge.

-- 
--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 21 22:00:10 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<49A049FD.3060307@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<49A049FD.3060307@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS6634A107233D251E3683BA1B00@phx.gbl>

I get that as well, also each diabetic as Ann says is that each person is 
different the metabolism maybe faster or slower, you might other issues such 
as cholesterol or high blood pressure each person is an individual and 
definitely should meet with a dietician, I have found in the past the drs 
such give you a cookie cutter diet plan and have no idea what they are 
talking about, from Medicare to all insurances you are covered by a CDB as 
well as a dietician.

Especially medicare, they have a part of there plan that is just for 
diabetics.

Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question


> Paul asked: " My next issue has to do with whether
> or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
> she hasn't said anything about this."
>
> Yes!  You should have a food plan designed to meet your particular
> medical needs.  Furthermore, your meal plan should take into account
> your food preferences and your cultural background, if it affects what
> you eat and don't eat.  This is in all professional standards of
> diabetes care, which can be found on the web site of the American
> Diabetes Association at:
> http://professional.diabetes.org/CPR_search.aspx
>
> Paul also said, "The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted
> caregivers, and, I
> don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
> have sighted help, they throw up their hands in astonishment, and
> quickly fade away not knowing
> what to do."
>
> This is not acceptable, either legally or ethically.  Under the American
> with Disabilities Act, a CDE must provide reasonable accommodations to
> make sure that you can benefit from diabetes education services.
> Furthermore, the American Association of Diabetes Educators (AADE) has a
> very strong Position Statement about diabetes education for people with
> disabilities.  It states in no uncertain terms that diabetes educators
> must provide the same quality of care to people with disabilities as
> they do to people with no current disability.  An older position
> statement was published in 2002, and an update is due to be published
> this coming week or next.  AADE's Position Statements are available at:
> http://www.diabeteseducator.org/About/position/position_statements.html
> Scroll down to find the one about disabilities.
>
> Now, to give your CDE the benefit of the doubt, I have to add that
> during their basic education, very few health care professionals have
> adequate preparation for working with blind people effectively.  (It's
> not right, but that is the way it is.)  So maybe your CDE needs some
> help knowing what she should do to serve you well.  You can tell her
> that AADE has a Disabilities Specialty Practice Group, with members who
> have experience working with people who have all kinds of disabilities.
> She can contact the Chair of that group (who happens to be me this year)
> to get hooked up with another CDE who can help coach her on appropriate
> ways to work with you and any other blind people who come to see her.
>
> Ann Williams, PhD, RN, CDE
>
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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Feb 22 01:45:49 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:45:49 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers
	Relieffor	People	with	Diabetes
In-Reply-To: <20090221034112.10206.48043@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
References: <20090221034112.10206.48043@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <9AAF6649DFAD4F1DA6FF241B9118D8D2@SuperMaddox>

Hello Dar,
There is really nothing to be confused about unless you just misread the
message containing the pricing info. There are 2 sizes: 
HealthiFeetT comes in 1.8 OZ (MSRP$9.99) and 4 OZ (MSRP$19.99) tubes. 

1.8 ounces is a little less than half of the 4 ounce size. Therefore, you
get more for your money if you buy the 4 ounce size. Take a look at the
following...
If you purchase 2 of the smaller tubes, 1.8 ounces, at $9.99 each, the total
is  $19.98. This means that you would get only 3.6 ounces. If you were to
purchase one of the larger tubes, 4 ounces, then you would get nearly half
an ounce more for the same cost, $19.99.

Hope this helps,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:41 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relieffor People with
Diabetes

I am more confused as before.
Why is a four ounce tube $19 and the eiht ounce $9.99.
It seems to me that it should be turned around.
Since I am confused,
I probably wouldn't buy it.
thanks for trying.

--
--Dar
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Feb 22 03:54:01 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:54:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
Message-ID: <20090222035401.25589.33536@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

I just got my Humana gold card.
I am told that many doctors don't like the card.
if this is true, then why do they give it out.
I will call on Monday and see if my set of doctors like it or not.
Before I try to get an appointment.
Hope that makes since.

-- 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Feb 22 04:12:07 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream
	Offers	Relieffor	People	with	Diabetes
Message-ID: <20090222041207.25546.13018@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Yes it does.
Because for me eight is larger than four.
But I never did understand things like that until I could get my pretty 
hands on both tubes.
thanks for catching on to the problem I was having.

-- 
--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From carmen88 at comcast.net  Sun Feb 22 14:49:09 2009
From: carmen88 at comcast.net (Carmen Dennis)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <20090222035401.25589.33536@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
References: <20090222035401.25589.33536@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <49A165E5.8010605@comcast.net>

We've all had Humana for several years now in our family and have had 
problems. Now we are on the program that doesn't cost us anything and 
we do have to stick with a certain group of doctors. Sometimes that 
bothers me.

d m gina wrote:
> I just got my Humana gold card.
> I am told that many doctors don't like the card.
> if this is true, then why do they give it out.
> I will call on Monday and see if my set of doctors like it or not.
> Before I try to get an appointment.
> Hope that makes since.
> 

-- 
  Carmen Dennis,
    NFBI Secretary,  Chicago Chapter Treasurer




From leanne at uddle.com  Sun Feb 22 17:37:31 2009
From: leanne at uddle.com (LeAnne Mayne)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:37:31 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <49A165E5.8010605@comcast.net>
References: <20090222035401.25589.33536@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
	<20090222035401.25589.33536@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20090222113731.00f5cb50@uddle.com>

At 08:49 AM 2/22/2009 -0600, Carmen & Gina wrote:
We've all had Humana for several years 
I just got my Humana gold card.

Like Camen I've had Humana for years.  I wish i could afford something
better but can't. I don;don't like my primary care dr, some of my drug
prices really hurt my wallet and there is sometimes so much paperwork I
have to be so careful.  I'm still paying off some  hospital bills from 06
because drs didn't follow through but I pay what I can each month and will
get it done.

  LeAnne Mayne     KB9ZEF      leanne at uddle.com
    Listen  to:   LIFE  THE  UNIVERSE  &
                          EVERYTHING  w/Blair Alper           
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Sun Feb 22 22:42:06 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:42:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
Message-ID: <20090222224206.29979.21384@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Ok when you are speaking of paying for medicines, are you going threw 
their program?
If I understand the paper work read to me, you go threw their program 
and are on Jenereic medicines the prices are lower.
this is why I switched.
I so hope we will be able to make it.
I felt it wasn't working out well with Sterling.

-- 
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every sinner has a future

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From leanne at uddle.com  Mon Feb 23 00:19:55 2009
From: leanne at uddle.com (LeAnne Mayne)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:19:55 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <20090222224206.29979.21384@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20090222181955.00f5cb50@uddle.com>

At 05:42 PM 2/22/2009 -0500, you wrote:
Ok when you are speaking of paying for medicines, are you going threw their
program?
If I understand the paper work read to me, you go threw their program 
and are on Generic medicines the prices are lower.

Yes generics are lower and I use 2 bottles of insulin a month so get 2 for
$30. My eye drops and metfoermin are $5 each but one eye drop I use,
xalatan is not generic but I don't pay the full $80, through Medicare part
d and hmuana I pay $50. For primary care dr is $0, specialists are $30 or
$35 I forget which this year.
LeAnne Mayne

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From bandbjacobs at verizon.net  Mon Feb 23 02:37:42 2009
From: bandbjacobs at verizon.net (The Jacobs' Family)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Is the any hope for the Insurance Field?
References: <mailman.66.1235152804.20834.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <005501c9955f$b40359c0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>

Hey Mike!!!  You hit the nail "RIGHT" on the head!!!  National Health 
Care!!!  I really believe it's going to resort to that!!!  That's what 
Canada has.  And my friend Ruth says, "At least everyone is covered that 
way.  If you'll pardon the vernacular, she said, "Yah, you guys have got it 
real shitty over there!"  At least we're all covered here."  She's a 
kidney/pancreas transplant patient and she said everything was covered.  She 
didn't have to pay a dime or lift a finger to do it.
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To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17


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>   1. FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes (Ed Bryant)
>   2. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Ed Bryant)
>   3. Welcome (Ed Bryant)
>   4. Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog policy does not
>      discriminate (Wilson, Joanne)
>   5. Re: FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes
>      (d m gina)
>   6. DAN Seminar Guest Speaker (The Jacobs' Family)
>   7. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Guest Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>  10. Got my new Prodigy Voice (Albert Sanchez)
>  11. question (Paul & Paula Jordan)
>  12. Re: Got my new Prodigy Voice (Mike Freeman)
>  13. Re: question (d m gina)
>  14. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:46:20 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with
> Diabetes
> To: "Diabetes Talk" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <007501c992ca$bcb69060$3623b120$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>                The following message is about HealthiFeet Foot Cream.  I
> have not tried this product, so I do not how good it is, but I will let 
> you
> know after I have tested it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Bryant
>
>
>
> From: Simon Ashdown [mailto:sashdown at tendercorp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:47 PM
> To: ebryant at socket.net
> Subject: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes
>
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
>
>
> Pls let me know if you need additional info on or samples of HealthiFeet.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> --Simon Ashdown, Tender Corp.
>
>
>
>
>
> TENDER CORP.?S HEALTHIFEET? PROVIDES CONSUMERS WITH SUSTAINED RELIEF FROM
> FOOT DISCOMFORT
>
> OVER THE COUNTER MOISTURIZING CREAM IDEAL FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES,
> NEUROPATHY OR JUST PLAIN COLD FEET
>
>
>
> LITTLETON, N.H. (February 19th, 2009) ? Tender Corp., a leading 
> manufacturer
> of over-the-counter topical cream and first aid products designed to 
> enhance
> consumers? quality of life, today announced the release of HealthiFeet?.
>
>
>
> A topical moisturizing cream clinically proven to relieve foot discomfort,
> HealthiFeet? contains L-Arginine, a naturally occurring amino acid which 
> the
> body uses to regulate circulation. The L-Arginine in HealthiFeet? is
> transported through the skin transdermally by a patented delivery system,
> restoring normal temperatures to cold feet and keeping them warm and
> healthy. Developed by SST Inc., the patented penetrating formula of
> HealthiFeet? naturally absorbs through your skin, exactly where you need 
> it.
>
>
>
> ?Our feet mirror our overall health,? says Tender president Jennifer 
> Cusick.
> ?Conditions such as nerve and circulatory disorders,? she continued, 
> ?often
> show their first symptoms in the feet. With three out of four Americans
> experiencing serious foot problems at some point in their lives, proper 
> foot
> care becomes critical to maintaining a healthy, balanced lifestyle. 
> Regular
> use of HealthiFeet Foot Cream is essential to maintaining healthy feet.?
>
>
>
> Proper foot care is especially important for people with neuropathy or
> diabetes. Poor circulation in the feet of diabetics results in 82,000 foot
> amputations each year1.  However, comprehensive foot care programs have 
> been
> shown to reduce amputations by 50%.2
>
>
>
> When used as directed, the podiatrist-recommended HealthiFeet? has been
> clinically proven to increase blood flow by 33% - 35% and foot temperature
> by five to eight degrees.3 As such, HealthiFeet? also provides a 
> much-needed
> solution for people who suffer with everyday cold feet.
>
>
>
> HOW TO APPLY HEALTHIFEET?
>
>
>
> Simply rub HealthiFeet? Foot Cream into the feet for five minutes, 
> liberally
> covering the entire foot, top and bottom. Warmth can be experienced in 
> less
> than ten minutes and last for several hours. The warmth will occur 
> gradually
> and is an indication that HealthiFeet? is working to restore normal
> temperatures to your feet. Apply the cream twice per day, morning and
> evening, for seven days. After seven days, apply once per day to maintain
> soft, healthy feet.
>
>
>
> HealthiFeet? comes in 1.8 OZ (MSRP$9.99) and 4 OZ (MSRP$19.99) tubes.
> HealthiFeet? will be available nationally at Wal-Mart beginning in March
> 2009.
>
>
>
> About Tender Corporation
>
> Tender Corporation is a privately owned and operated business located in 
> the
> heart of the White Mountains in Littleton, NH. The company maintains 
> offices
> and distribution centers in Barrie, Ontario; Rotterdam, Holland; Newbury,
> England; and Oakland, California. Currently, its products are distributed
> worldwide in over 40 countries. Founded in 1975, the firm manufactures and
> markets the world-famous insect bite treatment, After Bite? -- The Itch
> Eraser?, a full line of well-known insect repellents, first-aid 
> (treatments,
> sunburn and windburn products, as well as activity-specific first aid kits
> and survival gear through its outdoor division Adventure? Medical Kits.
>
> More recently, Tender has established exclusive partnerships with 
> Z-Medica?
> (maker of the hemostatic product QuikClot?) and Strategic Science
> Technologies, LLC (maker of the foot moisturizing cream HealthiFeet?) to
> distribute their products through food, drug and mass retail channels. The
> company also maintains a contract packaging division, which produces OTC
> products for a variety of clients. Many of Tender?s products are packaged 
> in
> innovative ways that make them extremely convenient to use as well as
> environmentally responsible. Partial proceeds from the sale of the 
> company?s
> products go to Tender Corporation?s Environmental Scholarship Fund. 
> Complete
> product information is available on the company's web site:
> www.tendercorp.com <http://www.tendercorp.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1 American Diabetes Association
>
> 2National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases ?Ten
> Agencies Launch National Campaign to Reduce Amputation Rate?
>
> 3Diabetes Care, Volume 27, Number 1: 284-285, 2004
>
>
>
> Twitter: HealthiFeet
>
> Facebook:
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/HealthiFeet/41360911271?ref=ts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Simon Ashdown
>
> Director of Public Relations
>
> Tender Corp. & Adventure Medical Kits
>
> T: 905.763.7137 M: 416.560.9016
>
> E: sashdown at tendercorp.com
>
> www.tendercorp.com & www.adventuremedicalkits.com
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:55 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Mike,
> It would be nice to have a good speaker discuss podiatry issues or
> renal issues.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Bryant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and 
> who
> plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you like
> to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, February 
> 23
> if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please don't
> hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the keynote
> speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your input on
> the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me at
> k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one 
> o'clock
> to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent payment
> of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:49:51 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Welcome
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000a01c992d3$9c7f6840$d57e38c0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>                It is nice having you on our list, and I think you will be
> enlightened.  We work together to help each other, and try to answer all
> questions regarding diabetes and blindness.
>
> Again, welcome aboard.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ed Bryant
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:24:43 -0600
> From: "Wilson, Joanne" <JWilson at nfb.org> (by way of David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
> policy does not discriminate
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <auto-000089497528 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>
> ----------
> From: Brammer, Robert [AG] [mailto:rbrammer at ag.state.ia.us]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: Brammer, Robert [AG]
> Subject: Atty. Gen. release: Jury finds IA Dept.
> for Blind's guide dog policy does not discriminate
>
> To News Editors.   From Bob Brammer (Iowa
> Attorney General?s Office ? 515-281-6699.)
> Please find a release pasted below.  This will be
> posted soon at
> <http://www.iowaattorneygeneral.org/>www.IowaAttorneyGeneral.org
> .  A jury entered a verdict Wednesday in this
> case in Polk County District Court.
> Best regards,  Bram
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> For immediate release ? Thursday, February 19, 2009.
> Contact Bob Brammer ? 515-281-6699
>
> Jury finds Iowa Department for the Blind?s
> Guide Dog Policy Does Not Discriminate
>
>             Des Moines.  A Polk County jury has
> rejected a Des Moines woman?s claim that the
> State of Iowa Department for the Blind
> discriminated against her by refusing her request
> to use a guide dog while she attended the
> Department?s orientation and adjustment training program.
>
>             The Department for the Blind
> orientation and training program is a
> comprehensive program that utilizes a totally
> non-visual approach to teaching blindness
> skills.  Students with partial vision are
> required to wear eyeshades to prevent reliance
> upon any visual cues during training.  Department
> policies prohibit the use of any visual aids
> within the orientation and training program,
> including guide dogs.  The Department has no
> objection to guide dogs in other situations.
>
>             Stephanie Dohmen, who is legally
> blind, attended the program for several months
> beginning in September 2000 and sought to
> re-enter the program in June 2002 accompanied by her guide dog.
>
>             Dohmen claimed in her lawsuit that
> the Department?s policy violated her rights under
> the Iowa Civil Rights Act and under federal laws
> that prohibit discrimination on the basis of disability.
>
>             After a six-day trial, the
> eight-person jury rejected Dohmen?s claims in a verdict entered Wednesday.
>
>
>             The Department for the Blind, which
> was represented in the trial by the Iowa Attorney
> General?s Office, argued that a totally
> non-visual approach ? and training without
> assistance of a guide-dog or other visual aids ?
> is the most effective approach for
> visually-impaired persons who are learning skills
> and techniques for dealing with blindness.
>
>             The Department places no limitations
> upon the use of guide dogs in other settings,
> including in the Department for the Blind
> building in downtown Des Moines.   For example,
> Karen Keninger, the Director of the Department,
> uses a guide dog, and the dog accompanied
> Keninger during her testimony at the trial.
>
>             The orientation program typically
> includes about six months of full-time training
> in various problem-solving skills, such as
> cane-travel on public streets, using Braille,
> using computers, and dealing with many other situations.
>
>             The Department for the Blind?s
> orientation and adjustment program was
> established in 1959 and is considered by many to
> be one of the most effective in the country.
>
>             During the trial, the State
> Department for the Blind presented testimony from
> Joanne Wilson and Frederic K. Schroeder, each a
> former Commissioner of the U.S. Rehabilitation
> Services Administration, which oversees programs
> for the blind around the country.
>
>             ?Iowa?s orientation program
> profoundly changes lives,? said Wilson, who also
> is Executive Director of the National Federation
> of the Blind.  ?It works.  It?s a cutting-edge
> program and a model for other states.?  Wilson is
> a Webster City native and ISU graduate who went
> through the Iowa Department for the Blind?s orientation program herself.
>
>             Schroeder said:  ?To me the central
> point is that individuals have a choice in the
> type of training they take.  While programs must
> and should make reasonable accommodations, they
> cannot be required to alter the fundamentals of the program.?
>
> - 30 -
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:23:45 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People
> with Diabetes
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090220002345.10278.73721 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> I am confused on the prices of this cream.
> Also would this be able to be paid for with your insurance?
> Or because it is over the counter you must pay it yourself?
> Is four ounces larger than eight ounces?
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:07:58 -0500
> From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001901c99308$6ef289e0$0201a8c0 at HOMENETWORK>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi Mike and Friends:  Is there any hope left for the insurance field or
> what???  Especially for anyone on Medicare???  It's all so bass
> ackwards!!!I'd like to see that covered at some point...and possibly they
> can present it with some hope particularly for diabetics???  Outside of
> moving to Canada???  I was told by someone who lives there that everyone 
> is
> covered.  I might be willing to pay higher taxes if we could get some 
> "REAL"
> healthcare out of it.
>
> Bern
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:00 PM
> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
>
>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   2. January Diabetes Forecast Articles (Mike Freeman)
>>   3. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Blindhands at aol.com)
>>   4. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>>   5. Re: introduction (Buzz Krivonak)
>>   6. Proposal to Obama (Jacques E. Stiles)
>>   7. Re: Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOODMORNING
>>      AMERICA TODAY..... (Mike Freeman)
>>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (cheryl echevarria)
>>  10. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (catdancing)
>>  11. Re: January Diabetes Forecast Articles (d m gina)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Greetings, everyone!
>>
>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's DAN
>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and
>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you
>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion,
>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that
>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate
>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you 
>> may
>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>
>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and 
>> consequent
>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>
>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>
>> Mike Freeman, President
>> Diabetes Action Network
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014500.k7uij at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Greetings, all.
>>
>> For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the
>> January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of the
>> American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen Becker, I
>> often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest editorial
>> is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I wholeheartedly
>> endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.
>>
>> In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that, 
>> when
>> five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a particular
>> item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total carb
>> count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the
>> fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now appears
>> that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by 
>> anaerobic
>> bacteria! FASCINATING!
>>
>> And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy Voice 
>> is
>> favorably mentioned and accurately described.
>>
>> I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of
>> "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes even
>> edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
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>> steps!
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>> %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219031210.7483.82513 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Oh me,
>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>> I don't understand.
>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>> meetings.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
>> From: "Buzz Krivonak" <krivonak at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <018601c9923f$d877e1e0$6401a8c0 at ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call Prodigy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula 
>> Jordan
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to scan
>> it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill 
>> note.
>> This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at Prodigy
>> on
>> Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of their
>> instructions for the voice.
>> Anything I hear is much appreciated.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul & Paula,
>>
>>  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real find. 
>> I
>> monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and blind
>> due
>> to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with it
>> too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe they
>> will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
>> changing the battery didn't help.
>>
>> Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training him
>> to
>> use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how to
>> operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test strip,
>> the
>> Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
>> count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It would
>> just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips, 
>> and
>> the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered that
>> one
>> side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the
>> strip,
>> and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test
>> strips
>> in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and I
>> did
>> not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip
>> with
>> the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, so
>> you
>> can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between 
>> each
>> side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the strip.
>>
>> We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was
>> inserted
>> correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to
>> apply
>> blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and
>> eventually
>> the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was a
>> visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually figured
>> out
>> that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there was
>> a
>> visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't 
>> remember.
>> So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error
>> codes,
>> and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and took
>> the
>> reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down, 
>> and
>> gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much
>> blood
>> on the strip when I take a reading.
>>
>> I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind
>> person
>> to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes are
>> displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to be
>> helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
>> switch to the Voice soon.
>>
>> Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters on
>> the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link 
>> late
>> last year:
>> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm
>>
>> Hope these help, and good luck!
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>> Welcome to the list.
>>
>> I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists NFB
>> operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a
>> networking
>> device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are diabetic
>> in
>> particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.
>>
>> It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the 
>> meter
>> up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
>> strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're 
>> getting
>> the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
>> But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
>> message.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
>> totally
>> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
>> This
>> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the 
>> voice,
>> I
>> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>>
>> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was given,
>> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for about
>> 3
>> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
>> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks me
>> for
>> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to
>> apply
>> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it doesn't
>> beep
>> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings 
>> its
>> good-bye song, and shuts off.
>> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or what
>> else to do.  Any suggestions?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>>
>> hello  folks,
>>
>> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose Medicare
>> pay
>> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>>
>> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so don't
>> know
>>
>> thank you,jacky742
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
>> From: "Jacques E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
>> To: "A - J.E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Message-ID: <499CD225.40203 at jestiles.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for
>> this!   JES/D  :-) :-)
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -----------
>> Take your time going, but hurry up every little chance you get on the way
>> back.
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS
>> ON GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> This is off-topic for this list.
>>
>> And it is a hoax.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
>> GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Rebecca Lee
>> To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
>> -- Oscar Wilde
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
>> To: pch155 at aol.com
>> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
>> Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>      Suppose its worth a shot....
>>
>>
>>      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>>        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
>> MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob"
>> <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and
>> Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig" <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>,
>> "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>,
>> "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll"
>> <shirlstoll at charter.net>
>>        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM
>>
>>
>> I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:39:24 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>> To: undisclosed recipient <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Well?.call me crazy, but here goes??????.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Subject: RE: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is that microsoft thing I was telling you about, see what you
>>> think.
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>>> Ok guys, my lawyer's paralegal sent this one to me and if it
>> doesn't work, they are aware that we all will be coming to visit them
>> for a
>> law suit for false advertisement! J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THIS TOOK TWO PAGES OF THE TUESDAY20USA TODAY - IT IS FOR REAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages,
>>>
>>> But this is from my friend Pearlas Sandborn and she really is
>>>
>>> an attorney.
>>>
>>>
>>> If she says that this will work - It will work. After all,What have
>>>
>>> you got to lose?
>>>
>>>
>>> SORRY EVERYBODY.. JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!! I'm an
>>>
>>> attorney, And I know the law. This thing is for real. Rest assured
>>>
>>
>>
>>> AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for
>>>
>>> fear of facing a multimillion-dollar class action suit similar to the
>>> one
>>>
>>> filed by PepsiCo against General Electric not too long a go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Friends: Please do not take this for a junk letter.
>>>
>>> Bill Gates sharing his fortune. If you ignore this, You will repent
>>>
>>> later .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet companies
>>>
>>> and in an effort to make sure that Internet Explorer remains the
>>>
>>> most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail
>>>
>>> beta test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will
>>>
>>> track it (If you are a Microsoft Windows user) For a two weeks
>>>
>>> time period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay
>>>
>>> you $245.00 For every person that you sent it to that forwards it on,
>>>
>>> Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that
>>> receives
>>>
>>> it, You will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact
>>>
>>> you for your address and then send you a check.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards. Charles S Bailey Genera l Manager Field Oper ations
>>>
>>> 1-800-842-2332 Ext.. 1085 or 9
>> 04-1085 or RNX 292-1085
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks af ter receiving this
>>>
>>> e-mail and for warding it on. Microsoft contacted me for my address a
>>> nd
>>>
>>> within days, I received a check for $24, 800.00 . You need to respond
>>>
>>> before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this, Bill gates
>>> is
>> the
>>>
>>> man.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many
>>>
>>> people as possible. You are bound to get at least $10, 000.00
>>>
>>> We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without
>>>
>>> getting a little something for our time.. My brother's girlfriend got
>> in
>>>
>>> on this a few months ago. When I went to visit him for the Baylor/UT
>>>
>>> game, she showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4, 324.44 and
>>>
>>> was stamped 'Paid I n Full'.
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>>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail.
>> See how it works.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail. See how it works.
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <8A74DE9E477445CAA16EBE4E7DC3AC3D at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS236014993D99AD1A9A660A1B20 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is $15 if
>> I
>> am not mistaken, but using this list is free.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Oh me,
>>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>>> I don't understand.
>>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
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>>> every sinner has a future
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <005001c992a3$2a4c7c70$0202a8c0 at VALUED664B84C7>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> the cure for type 1 diabetes
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Greetings, everyone!
>>>
>>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's 
>>> DAN
>>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
>>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and
>>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would 
>>> you
>>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion,
>>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees 
>>> that
>>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate
>>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you
>>> may
>>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>>> consequent
>>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>>
>>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman, President
>>> Diabetes Action Network
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219155400.18198.87007 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Mike,
>> to add and subtract just never works for me.
>> I just don't get the understanding of it.
>> If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop
>> everything.
>> I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can do.
>> Going to the store is a night dream.
>> People see what they see, and that is that.
>> I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if
>> they have to read to much.
>> so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
>> As well as making salads.
>> then doing what I do for each meal.
>> I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in town
>> that most folks get.
>> I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as good
>> as they are.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>> End of Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:29:50 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <C3B77CAEBF414A428807F94B8BC77A18 at owner96190708e>
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> The Diabetes Action Network, like every other division within NFB has,
> or ought to have, annual dues.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> Oh me,
> What on earth are Dan dues?
> I don't understand.
> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
> meetings.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:13:11 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> It would be nice to have a good speaker discuss podiatry issues or
> renal issues.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Bryant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's
> DAN
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question for
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention and
> who
> plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you
> like
> to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
> February 23
> if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please don't
> hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the keynote
> speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your input
> on
> the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me at
> k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
> o'clock
> to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent
> payment
> of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:34:29 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Bern:
>
> I've thought this might be a good topic if I can find the right speaker.
>
> I think there may actually be some hope on this although I suspect a
> solution that would satisfy you would mean a national health care
> program but that's only an opinion. Whatever happens, it certainly seems
> as though people are beginning to worry more about the problem.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:07 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
>
>
> Hi Mike and Friends:  Is there any hope left for the insurance field or
> what???  Especially for anyone on Medicare???  It's all so bass
> ackwards!!!I'd like to see that covered at some point...and possibly
> they
> can present it with some hope particularly for diabetics???  Outside of
> moving to Canada???  I was told by someone who lives there that everyone
> is
> covered.  I might be willing to pay higher taxes if we could get some
> "REAL"
> healthcare out of it.
>
> Bern
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> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:00 PM
> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
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>>   1. DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   2. January Diabetes Forecast Articles (Mike Freeman)
>>   3. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Blindhands at aol.com)
>>   4. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>>   5. Re: introduction (Buzz Krivonak)
>>   6. Proposal to Obama (Jacques E. Stiles)
>>   7. Re: Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOODMORNING
>>      AMERICA TODAY..... (Mike Freeman)
>>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (cheryl echevarria)
>>  10. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (catdancing)
>>  11. Re: January Diabetes Forecast Articles (d m gina)
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Greetings, everyone!
>>
>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's
>> DAN
>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question
>> for
>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention
>> and
>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would
>> you
>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this discussion,
>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees
>> that
>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would
>> appreciate
>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you
>> may
>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>
>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>> consequent
>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>
>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>
>> Mike Freeman, President
>> Diabetes Action Network
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014500.k7uij at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Greetings, all.
>>
>> For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the
>> January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of
>> the
>> American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen Becker,
>> I
>> often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest
>> editorial
>> is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I
>> wholeheartedly
>> endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.
>>
>> In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that,
>> when
>> five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a
>> particular
>> item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total
>> carb
>> count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the
>> fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now appears
>> that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by
>> anaerobic
>> bacteria! FASCINATING!
>>
>> And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy
>> Voice is
>> favorably mentioned and accurately described.
>>
>> I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of
>> "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes
>> even
>> edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219031210.7483.82513 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Oh me,
>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>> I don't understand.
>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>> meetings.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
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>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
>> From: "Buzz Krivonak" <krivonak at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <018601c9923f$d877e1e0$6401a8c0 at ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call
>> Prodigy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula
>> Jordan
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to
>> scan
>> it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill
>> note.
>> This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at
>> Prodigy
>> on
>> Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of their
>> instructions for the voice.
>> Anything I hear is much appreciated.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul & Paula,
>>
>>  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real
>> find. I
>> monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and
>> blind
>> due
>> to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with
>> it
>> too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe
>> they
>> will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially if
>> changing the battery didn't help.
>>
>> Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training
>> him
>> to
>> use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me how
>> to
>> operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test
>> strip,
>> the
>> Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
>> count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It
>> would
>> just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several strips,
>> and
>> the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered
>> that
>> one
>> side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the
>> strip,
>> and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test
>> strips
>> in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, and
>> I
>> did
>> not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the strip
>> with
>> the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised,
>> so
>> you
>> can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between
>> each
>> side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the
>> strip.
>>
>> We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was
>> inserted
>> correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to
>> apply
>> blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and
>> eventually
>> the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there was
>> a
>> visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually
>> figured
>> out
>> that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there
>> was
>> a
>> visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't
>> remember.
>> So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error
>> codes,
>> and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and
>> took
>> the
>> reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the count-down,
>> and
>> gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too much
>> blood
>> on the strip when I take a reading.
>>
>> I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind
>> person
>> to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes
>> are
>> displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to
>> be
>> helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell will
>> switch to the Voice soon.
>>
>> Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy meters
>> on
>> the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link
>> late
>> last year:
>> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm
>>
>> Hope these help, and good luck!
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>> Welcome to the list.
>>
>> I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists
>> NFB
>> operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a
>> networking
>> device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are
>> diabetic
>> in
>> particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.
>>
>> It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the
>> meter
>> up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain the
>> strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're
>> getting
>> the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
>> But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
>> message.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
>> totally
>> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
>> This
>> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the
>> voice,
>> I
>> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>>
>> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was
>> given,
>> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for
>> about
>> 3
>> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running into
>> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks
>> me
>> for
>> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says to
>> apply
>> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it
>> doesn't
>> beep
>> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it sings
>> its
>> good-bye song, and shuts off.
>> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or
>> what
>> else to do.  Any suggestions?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>>
>> hello  folks,
>>
>> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose
>> Medicare
>> pay
>> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>>
>> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so
>> don't
>> know
>>
>> thank you,jacky742
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
>> From: "Jacques E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
>> To: "A - J.E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Message-ID: <499CD225.40203 at jestiles.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for
>> this!   JES/D  :-) :-)
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -----------
>> Take your time going, but hurry up every little chance you get on the
>> way
>> back.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS
>> ON GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> This is off-topic for this list.
>>
>> And it is a hoax.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
>> GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Rebecca Lee
>> To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
>> -- Oscar Wilde
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
>> To: pch155 at aol.com
>> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
>> Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>      Suppose its worth a shot....
>>
>>
>>      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>>        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
>> MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob"
>> <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and
>> Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig"
>> <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>,
>> "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>,
>> "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll"
>> <shirlstoll at charter.net>
>>        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM
>>
>>
>> I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:39:24 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>> To: undisclosed recipient <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>>
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>>> Well?.call me crazy, but here goes??????.
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>>> Subject: RE: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is that microsoft thing I was telling you about, see what you
>>> think.
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>>> Ok guys, my lawyer's paralegal sent this one to me and if it
>> doesn't work, they are aware that we all will be coming to visit them
>> for a
>> law suit for false advertisement! J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THIS TOOK TWO PAGES OF THE TUESDAY20USA TODAY - IT IS FOR REAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages,
>>>
>>> But this is from my friend Pearlas Sandborn and she really is
>>>
>>> an attorney.
>>>
>>>
>>> If she says that this will work - It will work. After all,What have
>>>
>>> you got to lose?
>>>
>>>
>>> SORRY EVERYBODY.. JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!! I'm an
>>>
>>> attorney, And I know the law. This thing is for real. Rest assured
>>>
>>
>>
>>> AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for
>>>
>>> fear of facing a multimillion-dollar class action suit similar to the
>>> one
>>>
>>> filed by PepsiCo against General Electric not too long a go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Friends: Please do not take this for a junk letter.
>>>
>>> Bill Gates sharing his fortune. If you ignore this, You will repent
>>>
>>> later .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet companies
>>>
>>> and in an effort to make sure that Internet Explorer remains the
>>>
>>> most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail
>>>
>>> beta test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will
>>>
>>> track it (If you are a Microsoft Windows user) For a two weeks
>>>
>>> time period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay
>>>
>>> you $245.00 For every person that you sent it to that forwards it on,
>>>
>>> Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that
>>> receives
>>>
>>> it, You will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will
>>> contact
>>>
>>> you for your address and then send you a check.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards. Charles S Bailey Genera l Manager Field Oper ations
>>>
>>> 1-800-842-2332 Ext.. 1085 or 9
>> 04-1085 or RNX 292-1085
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks af ter receiving this
>>>
>>> e-mail and for warding it on. Microsoft contacted me for my address a
>>> nd
>>>
>>> within days, I received a check for $24, 800.00 . You need to respond
>>>
>>> before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this, Bill
>>> gates
>>> is
>> the
>>>
>>> man.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many
>>>
>>> people as possible. You are bound to get at least $10, 000.00
>>>
>>> We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without
>>>
>>> getting a little something for our time.. My brother's girlfriend got
>> in
>>>
>>> on this a few months ago. When I went to visit him for the Baylor/UT
>>>
>>> game, she showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4, 324.44 and
>>>
>>> was stamped 'Paid I n Full'.
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>>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail.
>> See how it works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail. See how it works.
>>> The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential. If
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>>>
>>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail. See how it works.
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <8A74DE9E477445CAA16EBE4E7DC3AC3D at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS236014993D99AD1A9A660A1B20 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is $15
>> if
>> I
>> am not mistaken, but using this list is free.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Oh me,
>>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>>> I don't understand.
>>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <005001c992a3$2a4c7c70$0202a8c0 at VALUED664B84C7>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> the cure for type 1 diabetes
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Greetings, everyone!
>>>
>>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's
>>> DAN
>>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question
>>> for
>>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention
>>> and
>>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would
>>> you
>>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this
>>> discussion,
>>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees
>>> that
>>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would
>>> appreciate
>>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or
>>> you
>>> may
>>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>>> consequent
>>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>>
>>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman, President
>>> Diabetes Action Network
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219155400.18198.87007 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Mike,
>> to add and subtract just never works for me.
>> I just don't get the understanding of it.
>> If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop
>> everything.
>> I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can
>> do.
>> Going to the store is a night dream.
>> People see what they see, and that is that.
>> I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if
>> they have to read to much.
>> so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
>> As well as making salads.
>> then doing what I do for each meal.
>> I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in town
>> that most folks get.
>> I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as
>> good
>> as they are.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:44:01 -0500
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB at Albert>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have 
> been
> able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:09:25 -0500
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0 at PaulJordan>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been 
> diagnosed
> as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues,
>
> Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with whether
> or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
> she hasn't said anything about this.
>
> When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my 
> hands
> on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."
>
> The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and, I
> don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
> have sighted help,
>
> They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not 
> knowing
> what to do.
>
> Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places to
> contact for this type of help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:04:38 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <D1DB1413B8FA4A7096BC674ADB98A51F at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good show, old man!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>
>
> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have
> been
> able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:55:24 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090220155524.24899.71846 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> My diabetic coordinator is the one who spoke with me on how to watch 
> carbs.
> She said she could do this, but I would have to speak with the
> dietitian on behalf of watching other matters.
> But the most part was how many carbs you are allowed to have per meal.
> I am allowed forty five carbs.
> they go on your weight and how tall you are.
> this is what I am told in Montana.
> please ask for a diabetic coordinator to help you out.
> Yes my husband and I are both blind
> We don't have the sighted help either.
> Bug them nag them and do what you need to do.
> Don't let them get away with this.
> I hope this helps.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:42:48 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090220164248.835.44515 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Is this something you are asking for this list to have dues?
> Is this something you will ask for at convention?
> Just wanted to ask?
> Can you do this when you are just doing emails?
> I also am on nagdu where I haven't paid dues but am allowed to read
> what they are doing?
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Mon Feb 23 02:38:34 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
Message-ID: <20090223023834.20284.45337@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

I sure can see how that would add up.
I have the one that I think I will have to pay full price for.
But it sure seems cheaper than I was paying threw Sterling.
wishing you the best, and thanks so much for writing.

-- 
--Dar
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every sinner has a future

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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 23 15:13:30 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:13:30 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] body lotion
Message-ID: <002201c995c9$4a97fe90$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>

A while back Ed Brynt mentioned some kind of body lotion that was supposed to be good for diabetic skin. I went to my doc in early Feb and asked him to write a script for it. (can't remember the name) but the doc said he had never heard of it and the pharmacy here said they don't carry it. I really wanted to try this stuff but have no clue where to get it.
Does anyone know?
Debbie

From bandbjacobs at verizon.net  Mon Feb 23 15:33:48 2009
From: bandbjacobs at verizon.net (The Jacobs' Family)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Question
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Good Morning Paul:

A "food plan is absolutely paramount!!!

Are you a print or Braille reader?  I didn't remember if you were totally 
blind or what.  We do have "Diabetic Food Exchange" lists at the National 
Center which are extremely helpful.  It's a list of foods with their fat 
content, food value, carbs, and the like and it will tell you how you can 
substitute some foods with others and can be used as a Carb-Counting 
instrument.  Works pretty well.  You might want to call the center.  I know 
those lists are in Print and Braille, but I don't remember if they're on 
cassette or not.  You can call: 410-659-9314 and get the "Independence 
Market" at 2216 for more information.

Have a great day everybody!!

Bern
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>   1. Re: FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes
>      (Ed Bryant)
>   2. Re: question (Ed Bryant)
>   3. Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention (Ann Williams)
>   4. Re: FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes
>      (d m gina)
>   5. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   6. Re: FW: Foot Cream Offers Relieffor People with Diabetes
>      (Donna Miller)
>   7. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>   8. Re: question (Mike Freeman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:20:25 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People
> with Diabetes
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Dar,
> The post said in part "HealthiFeetT comes in 1.8 OZ (MSRP$9.99) and
> 4 OZ (MSRP$19.99) tubes." The 1.8 ounce tube is slightly less than one 
> half
> of the tube which contains 4 ounces.  I hope this answers your question.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Bryant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:24 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with
> Diabetes
>
> I am confused on the prices of this cream.
> Also would this be able to be paid for with your insurance?
> Or because it is over the counter you must pay it yourself?
> Is four ounces larger than eight ounces?
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:20:42 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi Paul,
> You should definitely have a food plan as we should all strive to
> keep our diabetes in check.  Apparently, the CDE you went to does not
> understand blindness, and does not realize that blindness is not 
> synonymous
> with inability.
> My wife and I are totally blind and sometimes I face issues in which
> sighted health professionals don't understand I can do pretty much 
> anything
> concerning my diabetes without sight.
> So, please let me know where you live, and I will let you know if I
> know any health professionals in your area.  Also, the Mayo Clinic in
> Rochester, Minnesota publishes "Your Diabetes Diet: Exchange Lists."  This
> publication is in frames, so you may not be able to read it, but you can
> find it at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-diet/DA00077.
> Incidentally, I have had diabetes for about 50 years and I find it
> to be a nuisance, but a condition that can be managed.
> Also, if you would like me to telephone you, please, send your phone
> number and where you live in a private email, I will call.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ed Bryant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula Jordan
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
>
> As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been 
> diagnosed
> as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues,
>
> Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with whether
> or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
> she hasn't said anything about this.
>
> When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my 
> hands
> on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."
>
> The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and, I
> don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
> have sighted help,
>
> They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not 
> knowing
> what to do.
>
> Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places to
> contact for this type of help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:31:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ann Williams <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>
> If
> you are attending the 2009 NFB Convention and you have had diabetes for 
> more
> than one year, you are invited to participate in a research study about 
> the
> accuracy of dosing with an insulin pen after receiving detailed
> instructions.? For this study, I need to
> recruit 40 blind people with diabetes and 40 sighted people with diabetes.
>
> The
> study will involve the following steps:
>
> Before
>     the convention, I will call you and ask you several questions to make 
> sure
>     you meet the requirements of the study.At
>     the convention, you will need to sign an informed consent form.You
>     will be given an appointment time to come to the study room.? All 
> blind people in this study will listen
>     to a recording of audio instructions in the use of an insulin pen, and
>     sighted people in this study will look at visual instructions.? 
> Everyone will have a chance to handle a
>     pen and pen supplies, and may take as much time with the instructions,
>     pens, and supplies as they wish, until they feel confident that they 
> know
>     how to use the pen.? Each
>     person will be asked deliver ten specific doses of insulin into an
>     injection ball ? a rubber ball commonly used to teach insulin 
> injections.A
>     research assistant will weigh the injection ball immediately before 
> and
>     immediately after delivery of the insulin, to find out exactly how 
> much
>     insulin was delivered.? The
>     assistant will keep a record of all doses delivered.
>
> Please note:?
> If you participate in this study, you will not inject insulin into
> yourself.? You will only learn how to use
> a pen and inject doses into an injection ball.
>
> You
> will receive no direct benefits for participating in the study.
>
> As
> a way of thanking you for your time and participation in the feasibility 
> study,
> you will receive a $10 gift certificate for WalMart after you complete 
> steps
> 1-5 outlined above.? If you do not
> complete steps 1-5, you will not receive the gift card.
>
> You
> may decide that you do not want to participate in this study for any 
> reason at
> all, and you do not need to explain your reason.? This would not affect 
> you negatively in any
> way.? In particular, your decision would
> not affect your relationship with the NFB, with Case Western Reserve
> University, or with the researcher, Ann Williams.
>
> Are
> you willing to participate in this study??
> Or do you have further questions about this study?? If so, please contact 
> the researcher:
>
> Ann S. Williams,
> PhD, RN, CDE
>
> Email: ann.s.williams at case.edu
>
> Case Western
> Reserve University
>
> Cleveland,
> Ohio? 44106
>
> Phone:? 216-368-1704
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:41:12 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People
> with Diabetes
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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> I am more confused as before.
> Why is a four ounce tube $19 and the eiht ounce $9.99.
> It seems to me that it should be turned around.
> Since I am confused,
> I probably wouldn't buy it.
> thanks for trying.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:23:50 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Those who come to convention and who wish to join DAN would pay. Those
> not going to convention but who wish to join DAN would send dues to its
> Treasurer, Joy Stigile. You wouldn't have to pay dues if you just wish
> to participate on Diabetes-Talk. WE (NFB) have never charged for access
> to our lists and I doubt we ever will. But most divisions of NFB collect
> dues to transact their business and I believe that DAN should also,
> particularly in these days of economic down-turn.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> Is this something you are asking for this list to have dues?
> Is this something you will ask for at convention?
> Just wanted to ask?
> Can you do this when you are just doing emails?
> I also am on nagdu where I haven't paid dues but am allowed to read
> what they are doing?
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:18:13 -0600
> From: "Donna Miller" <dmiller64 at tx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relieffor People
> with Diabetes
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <AE53449B1D3948D6A17511B7E94D9E17 at FACDONNA>
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> I've got some foot cream that I use that has an Antibiotic that works 
> really well.
>
> I had a rash of some kind on my left foot and was able to get rid of it 
> using this cream.
>
>
> Donna Miller
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: d m gina
>  To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relieffor People with 
> Diabetes
>
>
>  I am more confused as before.
>  Why is a four ounce tube $19 and the eiht ounce $9.99.
>  It seems to me that it should be turned around.
>  Since I am confused,
>  I probably wouldn't buy it.
>  thanks for trying.
>
>  -- 
>  --Dar
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:18:26 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>
> I understand what you are saying.
> One of the things that gets me going to the conventions, you need money
> for food for getting to and from air port, for hotel and then and then
> and then.
> I just don't know how everyone can come up with this every year.
> Oh me.
> all in my dreams.
> then after a week it is all over.
> I would love to meet people,
> but to think I spent so much for one week is over whelming.
> Just my thoughts.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:34:56 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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>
> Paul:
>
> What an outrage! I realize that my words may seem injudicious to legal
> eagles but I am moved to wonder how that CDE can claim that credential
> and sleep with a clean conscience at night having treated you so
> cavalierly. Your CDE should have arranged for you to work with a
> dietitian specializing in meal planning for diabetics so that said
> dietitian and you together could work out a meal plan that you both
> could live with and that would assist in your diabetes care.
>
> In a word, Type 2 diabetes (which I presume you have) is a disorder
> wherein your body either makes insufficient insulin or does not use well
> the insulin that *is* made in order to get glucose (a simple sugar) from
> the blood into your body's cells so that they can have energy to do
> their thing. Ultimately, it's more complex than this but that's the
> essence. The nutrition category that raises one's blood glucose the most
> in general is that of carbohydrates so that one must balance how much,
> when and what one eats with how much energy one expends (as in exercise)
> and how much, if any, medication one takes to keep one's blood glucose
> at a near-normal level or as close to is as your doctor thinks you can
> handle. You therefore need an eating plan.
>
> If you click on http://www.eatright.org you can find a dietitian in your
> area, hopefully one who specializes in dealing with diabetic
> meal-planning. If you go to my home page, that is,
> http://www.panix.com/~k7uij. you'll find links to a number of very
> useful resources that will tell you everything you could ever want or
> need to know about diabetes and then some.
>
> One of the links is to Gary Scheiner's site, Integrated Diabetes
> Services, that actually can consult with you on all aspects of diabetes
> care including, I suspect, meal-planning, either on-line or over the
> telephone, for a fee, of course.
>
> Which brings me to my next question: what, if any, health insurance do
> you have? I know that mine, Regence BlueCross, has advocate nurses who
> would assist me in gaining any help I needed if I asked them. Most
> mainline health insurance providers have something of the sort.
>
> I can't believe your CDE seems as paralyzed re blindness as you make her
> (I presume it's a her) out to be! Although medical privacy probably
> precludes me talking about your specific case with the CDE, perhaps I
> can intervene to offer the resources of NFB and the Diabetes Action
> Network to enlighten her a bit on blindness. Also (although I can't
> guarantee this), we may have a DAN member in your area who can help you
> with a bit of local advocacy.
>
> If you write me privately at my email address,
>
> k7uij at panix.com
>
> with your telephone number, I'd be glad to call you and talk with you at
> length about diabetes, diabetes care, the universe and everything.
>
> Ed Bryant is also a fount of information.
>
> You have a right to expect the same level of diabetes care as would
> anyone else who is sighted. In fact, it's vital; diabetes is one of
> those diseases that is controllable and said control is largely in the
> hands of the patient. But not controlling diabetes can lead to some
> rather unpleasant consequences in the long run.
>
> If you are a subscriber to the NLS talking book program, may I recommend
> Gretchen Becker's book: "The First Year; Type Two Diabetes: A Guide for
> the Newly-diagnosed". If you are a subscriber to the digital talking
> book download pilot, you can download it along with a plethora of other
> good books on diabetes including the guides of the Joslin Diabetes
> Center and the American Diabetes Association (these are available on
> cassette, too, I should imagine, but I grabbed them from the digital
> download site).
>
> Rest assured that you're not alone; what you're going through happened
> to all of us at one point except that you're getting the "helpless blind
> person" syndrome thrown in. We'll work through this together if you wish
> and assist you to advocate for yourself and to get the good diabetes
> care and advice you need. With it, you can live a normal, healthy life
> and, under almost all circumstances, diabetes, like blindness, can be
> reduced to the level of an infernal nuisance!
>
> We're with you.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:09 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
>
>
> As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been
> diagnosed
> as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues,
>
> Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with
> whether
> or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde,
> but
> she hasn't said anything about this.
>
> When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my
> hands
> on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."
>
> The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, and,
> I
> don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I
> don't
> have sighted help,
>
> They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not
> knowing
> what to do.
>
> Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places
> to
> contact for this type of help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 23 15:38:06 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:38:06 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention
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i am not going to the convention but insulin pens are much much nicer and 
easier to use that the bottled insulin and syringes i use them daily. i have 
for years.
Debbie
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From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention






If
you are attending the 2009 NFB Convention and you have had diabetes for more
than one year, you are invited to participate in a research study about the
accuracy of dosing with an insulin pen after receiving detailed
instructions. For this study, I need to
recruit 40 blind people with diabetes and 40 sighted people with diabetes.

The
study will involve the following steps:

Before
     the convention, I will call you and ask you several questions to make 
sure
     you meet the requirements of the study.At
     the convention, you will need to sign an informed consent form.You
     will be given an appointment time to come to the study room. All blind 
people in this study will listen
     to a recording of audio instructions in the use of an insulin pen, and
     sighted people in this study will look at visual instructions. Everyone 
will have a chance to handle a
     pen and pen supplies, and may take as much time with the instructions,
     pens, and supplies as they wish, until they feel confident that they 
know
     how to use the pen. Each
     person will be asked deliver ten specific doses of insulin into an
     injection ball ? a rubber ball commonly used to teach insulin 
injections.A
     research assistant will weigh the injection ball immediately before and
     immediately after delivery of the insulin, to find out exactly how much
     insulin was delivered. The
     assistant will keep a record of all doses delivered.

Please note:
If you participate in this study, you will not inject insulin into
yourself. You will only learn how to use
a pen and inject doses into an injection ball.

You
will receive no direct benefits for participating in the study.

As
a way of thanking you for your time and participation in the feasibility 
study,
you will receive a $10 gift certificate for WalMart after you complete steps
1-5 outlined above. If you do not
complete steps 1-5, you will not receive the gift card.

You
may decide that you do not want to participate in this study for any reason 
at
all, and you do not need to explain your reason. This would not affect you 
negatively in any
way. In particular, your decision would
not affect your relationship with the NFB, with Case Western Reserve
University, or with the researcher, Ann Williams.

Are
you willing to participate in this study?
Or do you have further questions about this study? If so, please contact the 
researcher:

Ann S. Williams,
PhD, RN, CDE

Email: ann.s.williams at case.edu

Case Western
Reserve University

Cleveland,
Ohio 44106

Phone: 216-368-1704



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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 19:33:21 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:33:21 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
Message-ID: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan>

Hi,
This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which sites other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?

I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of sheer frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any thoughts?
 
In Christ,
Alan



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 up. Psalms 5:3
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From paujor at fuse.net  Tue Feb 24 00:50:40 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
In-Reply-To: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan>
References: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan>
Message-ID: <005f01c99619$ea9398a0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>

Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.  
If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.  This
was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
bleeder.  
The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on your
self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.  
If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.  

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.

Hi,
This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which sites
other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?

I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of sheer
frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
thoughts?
 
In Christ,
Alan



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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 24 01:35:23 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:35:23 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan>
	<005f01c99619$ea9398a0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan>

Paul,
If only it were the meter that's the problem.  It's my darned body.  Getting a blood draw is like the proverbial water from the proverbial turnip. 


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 06:50
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.  
> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.  This
> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
> bleeder.  
> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on your
> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.  
> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.  
> 
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> Hi,
> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which sites
> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
> 
> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of sheer
> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
> thoughts?
> 
> In Christ,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> +-+-+-
> 
>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I
> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look 
> up. Psalms 5:3
> ~~~
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Feb 24 02:01:40 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:01:40 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
Message-ID: <20090224020140.2308.78806@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

alan,
I also have problems from time to time getting readings from my 
fingers, even when my hands are warm from the hot water.
I haven't tried other areas.
I will keep reading to see what folks say.

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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Feb 24 04:35:24 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:35:24 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Is the any hope for the Insurance Field?
References: <mailman.66.1235152804.20834.diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<005501c9955f$b40359c0$0201a8c0@HOMENETWORK>
Message-ID: <3B868A0C02A342D9BE599980563B76BE@owner96190708e>

Actually, how good the health care in Canada is varies by province. For 
my own part, I'm not looking forward to national health care in that I'm 
perfectly happy with my fee-for-service system. But some rationalization 
of the U.S. health care system is almost inevitable, if only because 
businesses are becoming fed up with the escalating costs.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Is the any hope for the Insurance Field?


Hey Mike!!!  You hit the nail "RIGHT" on the head!!!  National Health
Care!!!  I really believe it's going to resort to that!!!  That's what
Canada has.  And my friend Ruth says, "At least everyone is covered that
way.  If you'll pardon the vernacular, she said, "Yah, you guys have got 
it
real shitty over there!"  At least we're all covered here."  She's a
kidney/pancreas transplant patient and she said everything was covered. 
She
didn't have to pay a dime or lift a finger to do it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17


> Send Diabetes-talk mailing list submissions to
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>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes (Ed Bryant)
>   2. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Ed Bryant)
>   3. Welcome (Ed Bryant)
>   4. Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog policy does not
>      discriminate (Wilson, Joanne)
>   5. Re: FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes
>      (d m gina)
>   6. DAN Seminar Guest Speaker (The Jacobs' Family)
>   7. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Guest Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>  10. Got my new Prodigy Voice (Albert Sanchez)
>  11. question (Paul & Paula Jordan)
>  12. Re: Got my new Prodigy Voice (Mike Freeman)
>  13. Re: question (d m gina)
>  14. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:46:20 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with
> Diabetes
> To: "Diabetes Talk" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <007501c992ca$bcb69060$3623b120$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>                The following message is about HealthiFeet Foot Cream. 
> I
> have not tried this product, so I do not how good it is, but I will 
> let
> you
> know after I have tested it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Bryant
>
>
>
> From: Simon Ashdown [mailto:sashdown at tendercorp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:47 PM
> To: ebryant at socket.net
> Subject: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with Diabetes
>
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
>
>
> Pls let me know if you need additional info on or samples of 
> HealthiFeet.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> --Simon Ashdown, Tender Corp.
>
>
>
>
>
> TENDER CORP.?S HEALTHIFEET? PROVIDES CONSUMERS WITH SUSTAINED RELIEF 
> FROM
> FOOT DISCOMFORT
>
> OVER THE COUNTER MOISTURIZING CREAM IDEAL FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES,
> NEUROPATHY OR JUST PLAIN COLD FEET
>
>
>
> LITTLETON, N.H. (February 19th, 2009) ? Tender Corp., a leading
> manufacturer
> of over-the-counter topical cream and first aid products designed to
> enhance
> consumers? quality of life, today announced the release of 
> HealthiFeet?.
>
>
>
> A topical moisturizing cream clinically proven to relieve foot 
> discomfort,
> HealthiFeet? contains L-Arginine, a naturally occurring amino acid 
> which
> the
> body uses to regulate circulation. The L-Arginine in HealthiFeet? is
> transported through the skin transdermally by a patented delivery 
> system,
> restoring normal temperatures to cold feet and keeping them warm and
> healthy. Developed by SST Inc., the patented penetrating formula of
> HealthiFeet? naturally absorbs through your skin, exactly where you 
> need
> it.
>
>
>
> ?Our feet mirror our overall health,? says Tender president Jennifer
> Cusick.
> ?Conditions such as nerve and circulatory disorders,? she continued,
> ?often
> show their first symptoms in the feet. With three out of four 
> Americans
> experiencing serious foot problems at some point in their lives, 
> proper
> foot
> care becomes critical to maintaining a healthy, balanced lifestyle.
> Regular
> use of HealthiFeet Foot Cream is essential to maintaining healthy 
> feet.?
>
>
>
> Proper foot care is especially important for people with neuropathy or
> diabetes. Poor circulation in the feet of diabetics results in 82,000 
> foot
> amputations each year1.  However, comprehensive foot care programs 
> have
> been
> shown to reduce amputations by 50%.2
>
>
>
> When used as directed, the podiatrist-recommended HealthiFeet? has 
> been
> clinically proven to increase blood flow by 33% - 35% and foot 
> temperature
> by five to eight degrees.3 As such, HealthiFeet? also provides a
> much-needed
> solution for people who suffer with everyday cold feet.
>
>
>
> HOW TO APPLY HEALTHIFEET?
>
>
>
> Simply rub HealthiFeet? Foot Cream into the feet for five minutes,
> liberally
> covering the entire foot, top and bottom. Warmth can be experienced in
> less
> than ten minutes and last for several hours. The warmth will occur
> gradually
> and is an indication that HealthiFeet? is working to restore normal
> temperatures to your feet. Apply the cream twice per day, morning and
> evening, for seven days. After seven days, apply once per day to 
> maintain
> soft, healthy feet.
>
>
>
> HealthiFeet? comes in 1.8 OZ (MSRP$9.99) and 4 OZ (MSRP$19.99) tubes.
> HealthiFeet? will be available nationally at Wal-Mart beginning in 
> March
> 2009.
>
>
>
> About Tender Corporation
>
> Tender Corporation is a privately owned and operated business located 
> in
> the
> heart of the White Mountains in Littleton, NH. The company maintains
> offices
> and distribution centers in Barrie, Ontario; Rotterdam, Holland; 
> Newbury,
> England; and Oakland, California. Currently, its products are 
> distributed
> worldwide in over 40 countries. Founded in 1975, the firm manufactures 
> and
> markets the world-famous insect bite treatment, After Bite? -- The 
> Itch
> Eraser?, a full line of well-known insect repellents, first-aid
> (treatments,
> sunburn and windburn products, as well as activity-specific first aid 
> kits
> and survival gear through its outdoor division Adventure? Medical 
> Kits.
>
> More recently, Tender has established exclusive partnerships with
> Z-Medica?
> (maker of the hemostatic product QuikClot?) and Strategic Science
> Technologies, LLC (maker of the foot moisturizing cream HealthiFeet?) 
> to
> distribute their products through food, drug and mass retail channels. 
> The
> company also maintains a contract packaging division, which produces 
> OTC
> products for a variety of clients. Many of Tender?s products are 
> packaged
> in
> innovative ways that make them extremely convenient to use as well as
> environmentally responsible. Partial proceeds from the sale of the
> company?s
> products go to Tender Corporation?s Environmental Scholarship Fund.
> Complete
> product information is available on the company's web site:
> www.tendercorp.com <http://www.tendercorp.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1 American Diabetes Association
>
> 2National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases ?Ten
> Agencies Launch National Campaign to Reduce Amputation Rate?
>
> 3Diabetes Care, Volume 27, Number 1: 284-285, 2004
>
>
>
> Twitter: HealthiFeet
>
> Facebook:
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/HealthiFeet/41360911271?ref=ts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Simon Ashdown
>
> Director of Public Relations
>
> Tender Corp. & Adventure Medical Kits
>
> T: 905.763.7137 M: 416.560.9016
>
> E: sashdown at tendercorp.com
>
> www.tendercorp.com & www.adventuremedicalkits.com
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:55 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Mike,
> It would be nice to have a good speaker discuss podiatry issues or
> renal issues.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Bryant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's 
> DAN
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question 
> for
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention 
> and
> who
> plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you 
> like
> to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday, 
> February
> 23
> if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please 
> don't
> hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the 
> keynote
> speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your 
> input on
> the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me 
> at
> k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
> o'clock
> to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent 
> payment
> of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:49:51 -0600
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Welcome
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000a01c992d3$9c7f6840$d57e38c0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>                It is nice having you on our list, and I think you will 
> be
> enlightened.  We work together to help each other, and try to answer 
> all
> questions regarding diabetes and blindness.
>
> Again, welcome aboard.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ed Bryant
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:24:43 -0600
> From: "Wilson, Joanne" <JWilson at nfb.org> (by way of David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
> policy does not discriminate
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <auto-000089497528 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>
> ----------
> From: Brammer, Robert [AG] [mailto:rbrammer at ag.state.ia.us]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: Brammer, Robert [AG]
> Subject: Atty. Gen. release: Jury finds IA Dept.
> for Blind's guide dog policy does not discriminate
>
> To News Editors.   From Bob Brammer (Iowa
> Attorney General?s Office ? 515-281-6699.)
> Please find a release pasted below.  This will be
> posted soon at
> <http://www.iowaattorneygeneral.org/>www.IowaAttorneyGeneral.org
> .  A jury entered a verdict Wednesday in this
> case in Polk County District Court.
> Best regards,  Bram
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> For immediate release ? Thursday, February 19, 2009.
> Contact Bob Brammer ? 515-281-6699
>
> Jury finds Iowa Department for the Blind?s
> Guide Dog Policy Does Not Discriminate
>
>             Des Moines.  A Polk County jury has
> rejected a Des Moines woman?s claim that the
> State of Iowa Department for the Blind
> discriminated against her by refusing her request
> to use a guide dog while she attended the
> Department?s orientation and adjustment training program.
>
>             The Department for the Blind
> orientation and training program is a
> comprehensive program that utilizes a totally
> non-visual approach to teaching blindness
> skills.  Students with partial vision are
> required to wear eyeshades to prevent reliance
> upon any visual cues during training.  Department
> policies prohibit the use of any visual aids
> within the orientation and training program,
> including guide dogs.  The Department has no
> objection to guide dogs in other situations.
>
>             Stephanie Dohmen, who is legally
> blind, attended the program for several months
> beginning in September 2000 and sought to
> re-enter the program in June 2002 accompanied by her guide dog.
>
>             Dohmen claimed in her lawsuit that
> the Department?s policy violated her rights under
> the Iowa Civil Rights Act and under federal laws
> that prohibit discrimination on the basis of disability.
>
>             After a six-day trial, the
> eight-person jury rejected Dohmen?s claims in a verdict entered 
> Wednesday.
>
>
>             The Department for the Blind, which
> was represented in the trial by the Iowa Attorney
> General?s Office, argued that a totally
> non-visual approach ? and training without
> assistance of a guide-dog or other visual aids ?
> is the most effective approach for
> visually-impaired persons who are learning skills
> and techniques for dealing with blindness.
>
>             The Department places no limitations
> upon the use of guide dogs in other settings,
> including in the Department for the Blind
> building in downtown Des Moines.   For example,
> Karen Keninger, the Director of the Department,
> uses a guide dog, and the dog accompanied
> Keninger during her testimony at the trial.
>
>             The orientation program typically
> includes about six months of full-time training
> in various problem-solving skills, such as
> cane-travel on public streets, using Braille,
> using computers, and dealing with many other situations.
>
>             The Department for the Blind?s
> orientation and adjustment program was
> established in 1959 and is considered by many to
> be one of the most effective in the country.
>
>             During the trial, the State
> Department for the Blind presented testimony from
> Joanne Wilson and Frederic K. Schroeder, each a
> former Commissioner of the U.S. Rehabilitation
> Services Administration, which oversees programs
> for the blind around the country.
>
>             ?Iowa?s orientation program
> profoundly changes lives,? said Wilson, who also
> is Executive Director of the National Federation
> of the Blind.  ?It works.  It?s a cutting-edge
> program and a model for other states.?  Wilson is
> a Webster City native and ISU graduate who went
> through the Iowa Department for the Blind?s orientation program 
> herself.
>
>             Schroeder said:  ?To me the central
> point is that individuals have a choice in the
> type of training they take.  While programs must
> and should make reasonable accommodations, they
> cannot be required to alter the fundamentals of the program.?
>
> - 30 -
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:23:45 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People
> with Diabetes
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090220002345.10278.73721 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> I am confused on the prices of this cream.
> Also would this be able to be paid for with your insurance?
> Or because it is over the counter you must pay it yourself?
> Is four ounces larger than eight ounces?
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:07:58 -0500
> From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi Mike and Friends:  Is there any hope left for the insurance field 
> or
> what???  Especially for anyone on Medicare???  It's all so bass
> ackwards!!!I'd like to see that covered at some point...and possibly 
> they
> can present it with some hope particularly for diabetics???  Outside 
> of
> moving to Canada???  I was told by someone who lives there that 
> everyone
> is
> covered.  I might be willing to pay higher taxes if we could get some
> "REAL"
> healthcare out of it.
>
> Bern
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> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
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>>   1. DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   2. January Diabetes Forecast Articles (Mike Freeman)
>>   3. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Blindhands at aol.com)
>>   4. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>>   5. Re: introduction (Buzz Krivonak)
>>   6. Proposal to Obama (Jacques E. Stiles)
>>   7. Re: Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOODMORNING
>>      AMERICA TODAY..... (Mike Freeman)
>>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (cheryl echevarria)
>>  10. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (catdancing)
>>  11. Re: January Diabetes Forecast Articles (d m gina)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij at panix.com>
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>> Greetings, everyone!
>>
>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's 
>> DAN
>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question 
>> for
>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention 
>> and
>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would 
>> you
>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this 
>> discussion,
>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees 
>> that
>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would 
>> appreciate
>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or 
>> you
>> may
>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>
>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>> consequent
>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>
>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>
>> Mike Freeman, President
>> Diabetes Action Network
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> Greetings, all.
>>
>> For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the
>> January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of 
>> the
>> American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen 
>> Becker, I
>> often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest 
>> editorial
>> is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I 
>> wholeheartedly
>> endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.
>>
>> In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that,
>> when
>> five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a 
>> particular
>> item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total 
>> carb
>> count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the
>> fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now 
>> appears
>> that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by
>> anaerobic
>> bacteria! FASCINATING!
>>
>> And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy 
>> Voice
>> is
>> favorably mentioned and accurately described.
>>
>> I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of
>> "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes 
>> even
>> edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> Oh me,
>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>> I don't understand.
>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>> meetings.
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
>> From: "Buzz Krivonak" <krivonak at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call 
>> Prodigy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula
>> Jordan
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to 
>> scan
>> it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill
>> note.
>> This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at 
>> Prodigy
>> on
>> Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of 
>> their
>> instructions for the voice.
>> Anything I hear is much appreciated.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul & Paula,
>>
>>  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real 
>> find.
>> I
>> monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and 
>> blind
>> due
>> to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with 
>> it
>> too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe 
>> they
>> will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially 
>> if
>> changing the battery didn't help.
>>
>> Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training 
>> him
>> to
>> use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me 
>> how to
>> operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test 
>> strip,
>> the
>> Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
>> count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It 
>> would
>> just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several 
>> strips,
>> and
>> the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered 
>> that
>> one
>> side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the
>> strip,
>> and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test
>> strips
>> in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, 
>> and I
>> did
>> not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the 
>> strip
>> with
>> the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised, 
>> so
>> you
>> can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between
>> each
>> side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the 
>> strip.
>>
>> We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was
>> inserted
>> correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to
>> apply
>> blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and
>> eventually
>> the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there 
>> was a
>> visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually 
>> figured
>> out
>> that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there 
>> was
>> a
>> visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't
>> remember.
>> So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error
>> codes,
>> and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and 
>> took
>> the
>> reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the 
>> count-down,
>> and
>> gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too 
>> much
>> blood
>> on the strip when I take a reading.
>>
>> I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind
>> person
>> to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes 
>> are
>> displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to 
>> be
>> helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell 
>> will
>> switch to the Voice soon.
>>
>> Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy 
>> meters on
>> the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link
>> late
>> last year:
>> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm
>>
>> Hope these help, and good luck!
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>> Welcome to the list.
>>
>> I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists 
>> NFB
>> operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a
>> networking
>> device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are 
>> diabetic
>> in
>> particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.
>>
>> It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the
>> meter
>> up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain 
>> the
>> strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're
>> getting
>> the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
>> But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
>> message.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
>> totally
>> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
>> This
>> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the
>> voice,
>> I
>> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>>
>> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was 
>> given,
>> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for 
>> about
>> 3
>> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running 
>> into
>> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks 
>> me
>> for
>> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says 
>> to
>> apply
>> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it 
>> doesn't
>> beep
>> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it 
>> sings
>> its
>> good-bye song, and shuts off.
>> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or 
>> what
>> else to do.  Any suggestions?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>>
>> hello  folks,
>>
>> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose 
>> Medicare
>> pay
>> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>>
>> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so 
>> don't
>> know
>>
>> thank you,jacky742
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
>> From: "Jacques E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
>> To: "A - J.E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Message-ID: <499CD225.40203 at jestiles.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for
>> this!   JES/D  :-) :-)
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -----------
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>> way
>> back.
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS
>> ON GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> This is off-topic for this list.
>>
>> And it is a hoax.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
>> GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Rebecca Lee
>> To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
>> -- Oscar Wilde
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
>> To: pch155 at aol.com
>> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
>> Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD 
>> MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>      Suppose its worth a shot....
>>
>>
>>      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>>        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
>> MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob"
>> <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and
>> Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig" 
>> <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>,
>> "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>,
>> "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll"
>> <shirlstoll at charter.net>
>>        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM
>>
>>
>> I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:39:24 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>> To: undisclosed recipient <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Well?.call me crazy, but here goes??????.
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>>> Subject: RE: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is that microsoft thing I was telling you about, see what you
>>> think.
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>>> Ok guys, my lawyer's paralegal sent this one to me and if it
>> doesn't work, they are aware that we all will be coming to visit them
>> for a
>> law suit for false advertisement! J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THIS TOOK TWO PAGES OF THE TUESDAY20USA TODAY - IT IS FOR REAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages,
>>>
>>> But this is from my friend Pearlas Sandborn and she really is
>>>
>>> an attorney.
>>>
>>>
>>> If she says that this will work - It will work. After all,What have
>>>
>>> you got to lose?
>>>
>>>
>>> SORRY EVERYBODY.. JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!! I'm an
>>>
>>> attorney, And I know the law. This thing is for real. Rest assured
>>>
>>
>>
>>> AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for
>>>
>>> fear of facing a multimillion-dollar class action suit similar to 
>>> the
>>> one
>>>
>>> filed by PepsiCo against General Electric not too long a go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Friends: Please do not take this for a junk letter.
>>>
>>> Bill Gates sharing his fortune. If you ignore this, You will repent
>>>
>>> later .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet companies
>>>
>>> and in an effort to make sure that Internet Explorer remains the
>>>
>>> most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail
>>>
>>> beta test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will
>>>
>>> track it (If you are a Microsoft Windows user) For a two weeks
>>>
>>> time period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay
>>>
>>> you $245.00 For every person that you sent it to that forwards it 
>>> on,
>>>
>>> Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that
>>> receives
>>>
>>> it, You will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will 
>>> contact
>>>
>>> you for your address and then send you a check.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards. Charles S Bailey Genera l Manager Field Oper ations
>>>
>>> 1-800-842-2332 Ext.. 1085 or 9
>> 04-1085 or RNX 292-1085
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks af ter receiving this
>>>
>>> e-mail and for warding it on. Microsoft contacted me for my address 
>>> a
>>> nd
>>>
>>> within days, I received a check for $24, 800.00 . You need to 
>>> respond
>>>
>>> before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this, Bill 
>>> gates
>>> is
>> the
>>>
>>> man.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many
>>>
>>> people as possible. You are bound to get at least $10, 000.00
>>>
>>> We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without
>>>
>>> getting a little something for our time.. My brother's girlfriend 
>>> got
>> in
>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <8A74DE9E477445CAA16EBE4E7DC3AC3D at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS236014993D99AD1A9A660A1B20 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>> there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is 
>> $15 if
>> I
>> am not mistaken, but using this list is free.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Oh me,
>>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>>> I don't understand.
>>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <005001c992a3$2a4c7c70$0202a8c0 at VALUED664B84C7>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> the cure for type 1 diabetes
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Greetings, everyone!
>>>
>>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this 
>>> year's
>>> DAN
>>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question 
>>> for
>>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention 
>>> and
>>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic 
>>> would
>>> you
>>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by 
>>> Monday,
>>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this 
>>> discussion,
>>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees
>>> that
>>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would 
>>> appreciate
>>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or 
>>> you
>>> may
>>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>>> consequent
>>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>>
>>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman, President
>>> Diabetes Action Network
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219155400.18198.87007 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Mike,
>> to add and subtract just never works for me.
>> I just don't get the understanding of it.
>> If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop
>> everything.
>> I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can 
>> do.
>> Going to the store is a night dream.
>> People see what they see, and that is that.
>> I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if
>> they have to read to much.
>> so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
>> As well as making salads.
>> then doing what I do for each meal.
>> I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in 
>> town
>> that most folks get.
>> I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as 
>> good
>> as they are.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:29:50 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <C3B77CAEBF414A428807F94B8BC77A18 at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The Diabetes Action Network, like every other division within NFB has,
> or ought to have, annual dues.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> Oh me,
> What on earth are Dan dues?
> I don't understand.
> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
> meetings.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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> every sinner has a future
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:13:11 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41 at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Bryant" <ebryant at socket.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> It would be nice to have a good speaker discuss podiatry issues or
> renal issues.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Bryant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>
> Greetings, everyone!
>
> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's
> DAN
> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question 
> for
> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention 
> and
> who
> plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would you
> like
> to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
> February 23
> if possible though if you come in late on this discussion, please 
> don't
> hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees that the 
> keynote
> speaker will cover your preferred topic but would appreciate your 
> input
> on
> the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or you may write me 
> at
> k7uij at panix.com.
>
> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
> o'clock
> to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and consequent
> payment
> of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>
> I look forward to the discussion.
>
> Mike Freeman, President
> Diabetes Action Network
> National Federation of the Blind
>
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> ket.net
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>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:34:29 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <7229F86A5F3B47FF9EE820FD02922014 at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Bern:
>
> I've thought this might be a good topic if I can find the right 
> speaker.
>
> I think there may actually be some hope on this although I suspect a
> solution that would satisfy you would mean a national health care
> program but that's only an opinion. Whatever happens, it certainly 
> seems
> as though people are beginning to worry more about the problem.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Jacobs' Family" <bandbjacobs at verizon.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:07 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Guest Speaker
>
>
> Hi Mike and Friends:  Is there any hope left for the insurance field 
> or
> what???  Especially for anyone on Medicare???  It's all so bass
> ackwards!!!I'd like to see that covered at some point...and possibly
> they
> can present it with some hope particularly for diabetics???  Outside 
> of
> moving to Canada???  I was told by someone who lives there that 
> everyone
> is
> covered.  I might be willing to pay higher taxes if we could get some
> "REAL"
> healthcare out of it.
>
> Bern
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <diabetes-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:00 PM
> Subject: Diabetes-talk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   2. January Diabetes Forecast Articles (Mike Freeman)
>>   3. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Blindhands at aol.com)
>>   4. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (d m gina)
>>   5. Re: introduction (Buzz Krivonak)
>>   6. Proposal to Obama (Jacques E. Stiles)
>>   7. Re: Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOODMORNING
>>      AMERICA TODAY..... (Mike Freeman)
>>   8. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (Mike Freeman)
>>   9. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (cheryl echevarria)
>>  10. Re: DAN Seminar Speaker (catdancing)
>>  11. Re: January Diabetes Forecast Articles (d m gina)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:56 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014456.k7uij at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Greetings, everyone!
>>
>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this year's
>> DAN
>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question
>> for
>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention
>> and
>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic would
>> you
>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by Monday,
>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this 
>> discussion,
>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees
>> that
>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would
>> appreciate
>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or 
>> you
>> may
>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>
>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>> consequent
>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>
>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>
>> Mike Freeman, President
>> Diabetes Action Network
>> National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:00 -0800
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219014500.k7uij at panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Greetings, all.
>>
>> For those who can download NLS digital talking books, check out the
>> January, 2009 issue of "Diabetes Forecast", the monthly magazine of
>> the
>> American Diabetes Association. While, like the author Gretchen 
>> Becker,
>> I
>> often find the magazine almost too cheerful, this month's guest
>> editorial
>> is superb. It outlines a strategy for diabetes control I
>> wholeheartedly
>> endorse -- one emphasizing moderation and eschewing extremes.
>>
>> In another article, we learn that the latest research indicates that,
>> when
>> five or more grams of fiber are part of the carb count for a
>> particular
>> item, rather than subtracting the whole fiber amount from the total
>> carb
>> count to get the effective carb count, one should subtract *half* the
>> fiber carb count from the total to get the net carbs as it now 
>> appears
>> that some of the fiber is turned into glucose within the body by
>> anaerobic
>> bacteria! FASCINATING!
>>
>> And in the "Resources" section, under glucose meters, the Prodigy
>> Voice is
>> favorably mentioned and accurately described.
>>
>> I'm not done reading the mag yet but so far, it and all the issues of
>> "Diabetes Forecast" this past fall have been great and the recipes
>> even
>> edible (sometimes I wonder where ADA gets its dietitians!).
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:45 EST
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <c04.56520c8a.36ce1621 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 
>> 2
>> easy
>> steps!
>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID
>> %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:12:10 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219031210.7483.82513 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Oh me,
>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>> I don't understand.
>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>> meetings.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:11:57 -0500
>> From: "Buzz Krivonak" <krivonak at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <018601c9923f$d877e1e0$6401a8c0 at ibm6bfhxr0g9s6>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>   Sounds like you're on top of this; and I probably need to call
>> Prodigy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula
>> Jordan
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Hi, one of the things I did with the audocode's documentation was to
>> scan
>> it, and produce a refreshable Braille copy I could keep in my braill
>> note.
>> This has worked very well.  Also, when I talked with the folks at
>> Prodigy
>> on
>> Friday, they advised me that they already have Braille copies of 
>> their
>> instructions for the voice.
>> Anything I hear is much appreciated.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buzz Krivonak
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul & Paula,
>>
>>  I'm fairly new to this forum as well, and agree that it is a real
>> find. I
>> monitor it to help my brother-in-law, Russell, who is diabetic and
>> blind
>> due
>> to retinopathy. He also has an Autocode, and I had some problems with
>> it
>> too.  They don't sound exactly the same as your problems, but maybe
>> they
>> will help you figure out what's wrong in your situation, especially 
>> if
>> changing the battery didn't help.
>>
>> Russell had an RN successfully taking his blood glucose and training
>> him
>> to
>> use the Autocode before I used it, and he explained verbally to me 
>> how
>> to
>> operate it for him.  Well, the first few times I inserted a test
>> strip,
>> the
>> Autocode gave me the welcome, but not the temperature, and would not
>> count-down, or do a reading when we applied blood to the strip.  It
>> would
>> just power off after a few minutes.  I tried this with several 
>> strips,
>> and
>> the results were the same. I read the documentation, and discovered
>> that
>> one
>> side of each strip has a visual blood drop icon in the middle of the
>> strip,
>> and this needs to be facing the front of the Autocode.  All the test
>> strips
>> in the vial had been facing with the blood drop mark away from me, 
>> and
>> I
>> did
>> not think to flip the strip over initially.  When I inserted the 
>> strip
>> with
>> the blood mark facing me, we got a successful reading.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the blood drop mark is only visual, and is not raised,
>> so
>> you
>> can't feel it.  However, you can actually feel the difference between
>> each
>> side of the strip by feeling the metal leads at the bottom of the
>> strip.
>>
>> We've also had a situation similar to yours in which the strip was
>> inserted
>> correctly, and the Autocode gave room temperature and instructions to
>> apply
>> blood. When we applied blood to the strip,  nothing happened, and
>> eventually
>> the meter gave the good-bye message and shutdown.  I believe there 
>> was
>> a
>> visual error code, but there was no audio message. We eventually
>> figured
>> out
>> that there was too much blood on the test strip; so most likely there
>> was
>> a
>> visual code that I looked up in the documentation - I just don't
>> remember.
>> So I think Mike's suggestion to have a sighted person check for error
>> codes,
>> and look it up is right on the money. We put in another strip, and
>> took
>> the
>> reading with a smaller blood sample, and the meter did the 
>> count-down,
>> and
>> gave a reading.  So now I always try to make sure there isn't too 
>> much
>> blood
>> on the strip when I take a reading.
>>
>> I have to agree that the Autocode seems difficult for a totally blind
>> person
>> to use, despite marking it with nail polish. Some of the error codes
>> are
>> displayed only visually, with no audio. I found the documentation to
>> be
>> helpful, but again it's in printed form only.  Hopefully, Russell 
>> will
>> switch to the Voice soon.
>>
>> Finally - not sure if you've seen the tips on using the Prodigy 
>> meters
>> on
>> the NFB website, but it's  worth reading. I think Mike sent this link
>> late
>> last year:
>> http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod_23_1/vodwin0806.htm
>>
>> Hope these help, and good luck!
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Buzz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>> Welcome to the list.
>>
>> I assure you that the list is not going away. It is one of many lists
>> NFB
>> operates and, in truth, is functioning just as it should -- as a
>> networking
>> device for blind diabetics in general and members of NFB who are
>> diabetic
>> in
>> particular. I'm glad you find it helpful.
>>
>> It can't hurt to put new batteries in, have a sighted person set the
>> meter
>> up and see if that helps. Also (dumb as this sounds), make certain 
>> the
>> strips are going into the Autocode right-side-up. But since you're
>> getting
>> the initial musical salutation, I expect that isn't the issue.
>> But I'd have a sighted person check to see if you're getting an error
>> message.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:43 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] introduction
>>
>>
>> I am paul, and a newly diagnosed diabetic for about 3 months, and am
>> totally
>> blind, which for the record is not a diabetes related complication.
>> This
>> group has been a real find for me, and if there are issues with the
>> voice,
>> I
>> hope we aren't possibly going to lose the list as well.
>>
>> I have an issue with a prodigy talking audocode meter which I was
>> given,
>> rather than the prodigy voice.  I have been working with this for
>> about
>> 3
>> months, and now that the batteries are aging, I think I'm running 
>> into
>> issues.  First, when I insert a strip, it plays its music, and thanks
>> me
>> for
>> using prodigy, then tells me the current room temperature, and says 
>> to
>> apply
>> blood into the strip.  I do this, and often nothing happens, it
>> doesn't
>> beep
>> to indicate it has enough blood to test, and after 3 minutes, it 
>> sings
>> its
>> good-bye song, and shuts off.
>> There are no audible cues to tell me if low battery is an issue, or
>> what
>> else to do.  Any suggestions?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darlene
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] newbe here
>>
>> hello  folks,
>>
>> where can I find an    order book  for  shoes, socks etc. dose
>> Medicare
>> pay
>> for them also ?  how  do  I  go about  it ?
>>
>> is there   a chat room at  this  site for  support? newbe  here so
>> don't
>> know
>>
>> thank you,jacky742
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:41 -0700
>> From: "Jacques E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Proposal to Obama
>> To: "A - J.E. Stiles" <spuron73 at jestiles.com>
>> Message-ID: <499CD225.40203 at jestiles.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Common sense. (But I heard common sense was dead.)   I'd vote for
>> this!   JES/D  :-) :-)
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -----------
>> Take your time going, but hurry up every little chance you get on the
>> way
>> back.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:04 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS
>> ON GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <7C2588EE39B84CCA8A266FF6687D326A at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> This is off-topic for this list.
>>
>> And it is a hoax.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:24 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON
>> GOODMORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Rebecca Lee
>> To: cwestbrook1111 at yahoo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 'People will forgive you of anything, but your success.'
>> -- Oscar Wilde
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christine <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>
>> To: pch155 at aol.com
>> Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 6:03 pm
>> Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD 
>> MORNING
>> AMERICA TODAY.....
>>
>>
>>
>>      Suppose its worth a shot....
>>
>>
>>      --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>        From: Teresa Johnson <teresamjohnson at charter.net>
>>        Subject: Fwd: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD
>> MORNING AMERICA TODAY.....
>>        To: "Alex Giuka" <warlord853 at yahoo.com>, "Bob"
>> <rlj678navy at yahoo.com>, "Christine" <dayscatwoman at yahoo.com>, "Al and
>> Jean" <aconkle1 at columbus.rr.com>, "Connie koenig"
>> <cmazk1955 at yahoo.com>,
>> "Julie" <juliegiuka at charter.net>, "Phil" <marzprt at misn.com>,
>> "Ritamheart: aol.com" <Ritamheart at aol.com>, "Shirley Stoll"
>> <shirlstoll at charter.net>
>>        Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:23 PM
>>
>>
>> I truly hope this is not a scam.  I dare not forward it.
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:39:24 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: gail mueller <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: FW: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>> To: undisclosed recipient <gmueller52004 at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Well?.call me crazy, but here goes??????.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: PLLLLEEEAAASSSSEEE REEEAAADD! IT WAS ON GOOD MORNING
>>> AMERICA
>> TODAY.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is that microsoft thing I was telling you about, see what you
>>> think.
>>>
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>>> Ok guys, my lawyer's paralegal sent this one to me and if it
>> doesn't work, they are aware that we all will be coming to visit them
>> for a
>> law suit for false advertisement! J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THIS TOOK TWO PAGES OF THE TUESDAY20USA TODAY - IT IS FOR REAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages,
>>>
>>> But this is from my friend Pearlas Sandborn and she really is
>>>
>>> an attorney.
>>>
>>>
>>> If she says that this will work - It will work. After all,What have
>>>
>>> you got to lose?
>>>
>>>
>>> SORRY EVERYBODY.. JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!! I'm an
>>>
>>> attorney, And I know the law. This thing is for real. Rest assured
>>>
>>
>>
>>> AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for
>>>
>>> fear of facing a multimillion-dollar class action suit similar to 
>>> the
>>> one
>>>
>>> filed by PepsiCo against General Electric not too long a go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Friends: Please do not take this for a junk letter.
>>>
>>> Bill Gates sharing his fortune. If you ignore this, You will repent
>>>
>>> later .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet companies
>>>
>>> and in an effort to make sure that Internet Explorer remains the
>>>
>>> most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail
>>>
>>> beta test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will
>>>
>>> track it (If you are a Microsoft Windows user) For a two weeks
>>>
>>> time period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay
>>>
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>>> on,
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> 1-800-842-2332 Ext.. 1085 or 9
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks af ter receiving this
>>>
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>>> a
>>> nd
>>>
>>> within days, I received a check for $24, 800.00 . You need to 
>>> respond
>>>
>>> before the beta testing is over. If anyone can afford this, Bill
>>> gates
>>> is
>> the
>>>
>>> man.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many
>>>
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>>>
>>> We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without
>>>
>>> getting a little something for our time.. My brother's girlfriend 
>>> got
>> in
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> Windows Live(tm) Hotmail?...more than just e-mail.
>> See how it works.
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:18:24 -0800
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <8A74DE9E477445CAA16EBE4E7DC3AC3D at owner96190708e>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>> What type of stem research is being worked on for diabetes?  What
>> research
>> is being done today and how can it help us.
>>
>> These are topics I would be interested in.
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:35 -0500
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS236014993D99AD1A9A660A1B20 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> there are dues if you belong to DAN you pay yearly I believe it is 
>> $15
>> if
>> I
>> am not mistaken, but using this list is free.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Oh me,
>>> What on earth are Dan dues?
>>> I don't understand.
>>> Maybe some day everyone can get to Colorado where I can come to the
>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
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>>> every sinner has a future
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:00 -0600
>> From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <005001c992a3$2a4c7c70$0202a8c0 at VALUED664B84C7>
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>>
>> the cure for type 1 diabetes
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:44 PM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
>>
>>
>>> Greetings, everyone!
>>>
>>> I'm currently arranging for a main or keynote speaker for this 
>>> year's
>>> DAN
>>> Seminar at the NFB national convention in Detroit. I have a question
>>> for
>>> those who are planning to go or considering going to the convention
>>> and
>>> who plan to attend the DAN Seminar: what diabetes-related topic 
>>> would
>>> you
>>> like to see covered by a keynote speaker? I'd like answers by 
>>> Monday,
>>> February 23 if possible though if you come in late on this
>>> discussion,
>>> please don't hesitate to venture your opinions. I make no guarantees
>>> that
>>> the keynote speaker will cover your preferred topic but would
>>> appreciate
>>> your input on the matter. You may post your ansers on this list or
>>> you
>>> may
>>> write me at k7uij at panix.com.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the seminar will take place on Sunday, July 5 from one
>>> o'clock to four o'clock in the afternoon with registration (and
>>> consequent
>>> payment of DAN dues) beginning at 12:30 p.m.
>>>
>>> I look forward to the discussion.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman, President
>>> Diabetes Action Network
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] January Diabetes Forecast Articles
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <20090219155400.18198.87007 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Mike,
>> to add and subtract just never works for me.
>> I just don't get the understanding of it.
>> If I started that, I would just forget the whole thing and stop
>> everything.
>> I just do what the carbs are for each meal and that is the best I can
>> do.
>> Going to the store is a night dream.
>> People see what they see, and that is that.
>> I try just to get a loaf of bread, and folks just about tip over if
>> they have to read to much.
>> so I do fruits cut up easier for me to handle.
>> As well as making salads.
>> then doing what I do for each meal.
>> I know  it sounds crazy, but I just don't get the support here in 
>> town
>> that most folks get.
>> I must be doing something rite though, or my sugars wouldn't be as
>> good
>> as they are.
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:44:01 -0500
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB at Albert>
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>
> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted 
> to
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I 
> have
> been
> able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:09:25 -0500
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0 at PaulJordan>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> As I mentioned in my intro to the group a few days ago, I've been
> diagnosed
> as diabetic for almost 3 months, and have had meter issues,
>
> Which I think are being fixed today.  My next issue has to do with 
> whether
> or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, 
> but
> she hasn't said anything about this.
>
> When I was first diagnosed, I began to read everything I could get my
> hands
> on, and, now I feel almost like a "duck out of water."
>
> The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted caregivers, 
> and, I
> don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I 
> don't
> have sighted help,
>
> They throw up their hands in astonishment, and quickly fade away not
> knowing
> what to do.
>
> Is the lack of a food plan a real concern, and if so, are there places 
> to
> contact for this type of help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:04:38 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <D1DB1413B8FA4A7096BC674ADB98A51F at owner96190708e>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good show, old man!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>
>
> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted 
> to
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I 
> have
> been
> able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:55:24 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090220155524.24899.71846 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> My diabetic coordinator is the one who spoke with me on how to watch
> carbs.
> She said she could do this, but I would have to speak with the
> dietitian on behalf of watching other matters.
> But the most part was how many carbs you are allowed to have per meal.
> I am allowed forty five carbs.
> they go on your weight and how tall you are.
> this is what I am told in Montana.
> please ask for a diabetic coordinator to help you out.
> Yes my husband and I are both blind
> We don't have the sighted help either.
> Bug them nag them and do what you need to do.
> Don't let them get away with this.
> I hope this helps.
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:42:48 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] DAN Seminar Speaker
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090220164248.835.44515 at p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Is this something you are asking for this list to have dues?
> Is this something you will ask for at convention?
> Just wanted to ask?
> Can you do this when you are just doing emails?
> I also am on nagdu where I haven't paid dues but am allowed to read
> what they are doing?
>
> -- 
> --Dar
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
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>
>
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From clevelandann at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 24 04:50:59 2009
From: clevelandann at sbcglobal.net (Ann Williams)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
In-Reply-To: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan>
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Alan,

Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough blood 
from his or her fingers.

Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood out 
of their fingers:

   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands. 
      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get the
      blood down into your hand.
   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like a
      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger, just
      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if you
      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly snugly,
      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your thumb.
   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band off
      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.

I hope this helps.

Ann Williams, RN, CDE



From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Feb 24 05:15:28 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:15:28 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan>
	<005f01c99619$ea9398a0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <5A0B4D29333B49A79A037966BC5CADAF@owner96190708e>

The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate 
site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to 
find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.

Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do 
finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I 
*prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru any 
calluses that may have built up.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test. 
This
was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
bleeder.
The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on 
your
self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.

Hi,
This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which 
sites
other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?

I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of 
sheer
frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
thoughts?

In Christ,
Alan



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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 24 05:26:13 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan>
	<49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan>

Ann,
I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.  My only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking.  Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too much.

BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that true?


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Alan,
> 
> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough blood 
> from his or her fingers.
> 
> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood out 
> of their fingers:
> 
>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands. 
>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get the
>      blood down into your hand.
>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like a
>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger, just
>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if you
>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly snugly,
>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your thumb.
>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band off
>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
> 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Tue Feb 24 05:59:46 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:59:46 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw:  Returning member with questions.
Message-ID: <62065B5738DF4ABBBCF3E1444017BC4D@owner96190708e>

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


Allen:

I realize you may not wish to hear it but ...

I have never known a blind person who was successfully and consistently
able to use alternate-site testing. It is too difficult to determine
where the blood spot is for the same reason that many find alternate
site testing desirable: fewer nerve endings.

I realize many may take this wrong but I think I can get away with it
with you: suck it up and stick your fingers. (grin) You'll get better 
results
and if your bg is rapidly fluctuating, the readings will be more
accurate into the bargain!

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: <Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


Hi,
This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
sites other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?

I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
sheer frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?
Any thoughts?

In Christ,
Alan



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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 24 06:20:56 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:56 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw:  Returning member with questions.
References: <62065B5738DF4ABBBCF3E1444017BC4D@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <DB281E03248A43C4885666F30294816C@Alan>

Mike,
My problem is that what you described about alternate sites applies to me and fingers.  There is no accuracy or consistency...in fact, there is bordering on no results whatsoever.  A friend even suggested the ear lobe.  I will do just about anything at this point.  The finger sticking just seems so futile. As much as I believe in independence, I often wonder if having someone do the testing for me wouldn't be a solution...for better or worse.

I mean, deep down, I know the answer...I am just frustrated with my lack of results.

Sorry for the rambling vent...I'll go back to my corner now. LOL!





In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: Returning member with questions.


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
> Allen:
> 
> I realize you may not wish to hear it but ...
> 
> I have never known a blind person who was successfully and consistently
> able to use alternate-site testing. It is too difficult to determine
> where the blood spot is for the same reason that many find alternate
> site testing desirable: fewer nerve endings.
> 
> I realize many may take this wrong but I think I can get away with it
> with you: suck it up and stick your fingers. (grin) You'll get better 
> results
> and if your bg is rapidly fluctuating, the readings will be more
> accurate into the bargain!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: <Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
> Hi,
> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
> sites other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
> 
> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
> sheer frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?
> Any thoughts?
> 
> In Christ,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> +-+-+-
> 
>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
> I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
> up. Psalms 5:3
> ~~~
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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 24 06:31:55 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:31:55 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan><005f01c99619$ea9398a0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
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The sting isn't the issue.  It's actually tolerable.  It's my seeming inability to get any blood at all.


In Christ,
Alan



+-+-+-

   The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an 
 habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. 
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~~~
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate 
> site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to 
> find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.
> 
> Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do 
> finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I 
> *prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru any 
> calluses that may have built up.
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test. 
> This
> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
> bleeder.
> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on 
> your
> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> Hi,
> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which 
> sites
> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
> 
> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of 
> sheer
> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
> thoughts?
> 
> In Christ,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> +-+-+-
> 
>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will 
> I
> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
> up. Psalms 5:3
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
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From etscrivani at verizon.net  Tue Feb 24 16:01:06 2009
From: etscrivani at verizon.net (Eileen Scrivani)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
In-Reply-To: <E482C8D3778549ECBF939B5A9376D058@Alan>
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	<5A0B4D29333B49A79A037966BC5CADAF@owner96190708e>
	<E482C8D3778549ECBF939B5A9376D058@Alan>
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Hi Alan:

Once, during a session with my diabetic educator, she said I could stick 
anywhere along the fingers, not just on the fingertip.  I suppose that could 
be considered alternate site testing.  Anyway, I've tried it, but it too can 
be difficult to determine just where the puncture was done. Still, a little 
more manageable than other locations.  I have one thought, and although its 
one more pain in the but step to take, what about keeping a roll of tape 
near by, and before you actually stick yourself, put a small piece of tape 
near to where you want to stick.  Then, make the puncture just next to the 
tape.   Maybe this will give you a tactile indication of where abouts the 
drop of blood should be on your finger.

My husband, although not a diabetic once wanted to try a glucose test.  He 
has extremely work toughened hands/fingers.  I could not get a drop of blood 
out of him.  Could it be rough skin?  Have you tried putting moisturizer on 
your hands on a regular basis to keep the skin softer and easier to work 
with for testing?  Just thinking out loud.

HTH.

Eileen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> The sting isn't the issue.  It's actually tolerable.  It's my seeming 
> inability to get any blood at all.
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is 
> my God, and I will prepare him an
> habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
> Exodus 15:2
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
>> The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate
>> site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to
>> find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.
>>
>> Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do
>> finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I
>> *prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru any
>> calluses that may have built up.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
>> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
>> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.
>> This
>> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
>> bleeder.
>> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on
>> your
>> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
>> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
>> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
>> sites
>> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
>>
>> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
>> sheer
>> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
>> thoughts?
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
>> I
>> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
>> up. Psalms 5:3
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>> _______________________________________________
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From catdancing at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 24 16:37:46 2009
From: catdancing at sbcglobal.net (catdancing)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:37:46 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
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i know exactly what u r saying. what i had to do is use one hand for a while 
then switch and use the other till the first hand got all healed up it seems 
to work allright.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> The sting isn't the issue.  It's actually tolerable.  It's my seeming 
> inability to get any blood at all.
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is 
> my God, and I will prepare him an
> habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
> Exodus 15:2
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
>> The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate
>> site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to
>> find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.
>>
>> Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do
>> finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I
>> *prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru any
>> calluses that may have built up.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
>> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
>> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.
>> This
>> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
>> bleeder.
>> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on
>> your
>> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
>> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
>> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
>> sites
>> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
>>
>> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
>> sheer
>> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
>> thoughts?
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
>> I
>> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
>> up. Psalms 5:3
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Tue Feb 24 16:53:58 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
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You might also need to adjust the length on your lancet device to get blood. 
On my pinky I can use a 4, but on the other fingers, I need a 5 to get any 
blood.
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "catdancing" <catdancing at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


>i know exactly what u r saying. what i had to do is use one hand for a 
>while then switch and use the other till the first hand got all healed up 
>it seems to work allright.
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
>> The sting isn't the issue.  It's actually tolerable.  It's my seeming 
>> inability to get any blood at all.
>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is 
>> my God, and I will prepare him an
>> habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
>> Exodus 15:2
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>>> The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate
>>> site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to
>>> find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.
>>>
>>> Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do
>>> finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I
>>> *prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru any
>>> calluses that may have built up.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
>>> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
>>> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.
>>> This
>>> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
>>> bleeder.
>>> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on
>>> your
>>> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
>>> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
>>> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
>>> sites
>>> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
>>>
>>> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
>>> sheer
>>> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> In Christ,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +-+-+-
>>>
>>>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
>>> I
>>> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
>>> up. Psalms 5:3
>>> ~~~
>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> .net
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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 24 18:19:53 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
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Eileen,
These are great suggestions.  Thank you.  I will definitely keep that all in mind.


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:01
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Hi Alan:
> 
> Once, during a session with my diabetic educator, she said I could stick 
> anywhere along the fingers, not just on the fingertip.  I suppose that could 
> be considered alternate site testing.  Anyway, I've tried it, but it too can 
> be difficult to determine just where the puncture was done. Still, a little 
> more manageable than other locations.  I have one thought, and although its 
> one more pain in the but step to take, what about keeping a roll of tape 
> near by, and before you actually stick yourself, put a small piece of tape 
> near to where you want to stick.  Then, make the puncture just next to the 
> tape.   Maybe this will give you a tactile indication of where abouts the 
> drop of blood should be on your finger.
> 
> My husband, although not a diabetic once wanted to try a glucose test.  He 
> has extremely work toughened hands/fingers.  I could not get a drop of blood 
> out of him.  Could it be rough skin?  Have you tried putting moisturizer on 
> your hands on a regular basis to keep the skin softer and easier to work 
> with for testing?  Just thinking out loud.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
>> The sting isn't the issue.  It's actually tolerable.  It's my seeming 
>> inability to get any blood at all.
>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is 
>> my God, and I will prepare him an
>> habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
>> Exodus 15:2
>> ~~~
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>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>>> The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate
>>> site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to
>>> find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.
>>>
>>> Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do
>>> finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I
>>> *prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru any
>>> calluses that may have built up.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
>>> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
>>> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.
>>> This
>>> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a good
>>> bleeder.
>>> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on
>>> your
>>> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
>>> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
>>> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
>>> sites
>>> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
>>>
>>> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
>>> sheer
>>> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> In Christ,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +-+-+-
>>>
>>>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
>>> I
>>> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
>>> up. Psalms 5:3
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From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb 24 20:04:16 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:04:16 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention
In-Reply-To: <510318.9302.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Dear Dr. Williams,
	I definitely would like to be involved in the Insulin Pen Study.
Thank you for your hard work in this matter.

Best Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ann Williams
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:32 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Insulin pen study at the NFB Convention





If
you are attending the 2009 NFB Convention and you have had diabetes for more
than one year, you are invited to participate in a research study about the
accuracy of dosing with an insulin pen after receiving detailed
instructions.? For this study, I need to
recruit 40 blind people with diabetes and 40 sighted people with diabetes.

The
study will involve the following steps:

Before
     the convention, I will call you and ask you several questions to make
sure
     you meet the requirements of the study.At
     the convention, you will need to sign an informed consent form.You
     will be given an appointment time to come to the study room.? All blind
people in this study will listen
     to a recording of audio instructions in the use of an insulin pen, and
     sighted people in this study will look at visual instructions.?
Everyone will have a chance to handle a
     pen and pen supplies, and may take as much time with the instructions,
     pens, and supplies as they wish, until they feel confident that they
know
     how to use the pen.? Each
     person will be asked deliver ten specific doses of insulin into an
     injection ball ? a rubber ball commonly used to teach insulin
injections.A
     research assistant will weigh the injection ball immediately before and
     immediately after delivery of the insulin, to find out exactly how much
     insulin was delivered.? The
     assistant will keep a record of all doses delivered.

Please note:?
If you participate in this study, you will not inject insulin into
yourself.? You will only learn how to use
a pen and inject doses into an injection ball. 

You
will receive no direct benefits for participating in the study.

As
a way of thanking you for your time and participation in the feasibility
study,
you will receive a $10 gift certificate for WalMart after you complete steps
1-5 outlined above.? If you do not
complete steps 1-5, you will not receive the gift card.

You
may decide that you do not want to participate in this study for any reason
at
all, and you do not need to explain your reason.? This would not affect you
negatively in any
way.? In particular, your decision would
not affect your relationship with the NFB, with Case Western Reserve
University, or with the researcher, Ann Williams.

Are
you willing to participate in this study??
Or do you have further questions about this study?? If so, please contact
the researcher:

Ann S. Williams,
PhD, RN, CDE

Email: ann.s.williams at case.edu 

Case Western
Reserve University

Cleveland,
Ohio? 44106

Phone:? 216-368-1704

?

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From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb 24 20:07:39 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:07:39 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers
	Relief	for	People	with	Diabetes
In-Reply-To: <20090221034112.10206.48043@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
References: <20090221034112.10206.48043@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <000101c996bb$8b91aac0$a2b50040$@net>

Hi Dar,
	You got the message a little mixed up.  It is not an 8 ounce tube,
but it is a 1.8 ounce tube.  
	I hope this helps with your concerns...

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:41 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream Offers Relief for People with
Diabetes

I am more confused as before.
Why is a four ounce tube $19 and the eiht ounce $9.99.
It seems to me that it should be turned around.
Since I am confused,
I probably wouldn't buy it.
thanks for trying.

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From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb 24 20:27:20 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:27:20 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] question
In-Reply-To: <49A049FD.3060307@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000c01c9935c$745dd2f0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
	<49A049FD.3060307@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000301c996be$4b78cb50$e26a61f0$@net>

Hi Paul,
   Ann Williams reply to you is very good and correct.  I can assure you she
is a diabetes professional.  I have worked with Ann for several years and
she always does everything possible to help the individuals with diabetes. 
	I am a member of the American Association of Diabetes Educators and
their Disabilities Specialty Practice Group which Ann mentioned.  
	If you would like, please send me your phone number privately, and I
will call you, so we can discuss any questions you have.  It would also help
to know where you are from which would help determine what time I telephone
you.  

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ann Williams
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:38 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] question

Paul asked: " My next issue has to do with whether
or not I should have a food plan.  I have met for 4 times with a cde, but
she hasn't said anything about this."

Yes!  You should have a food plan designed to meet your particular 
medical needs.  Furthermore, your meal plan should take into account 
your food preferences and your cultural background, if it affects what 
you eat and don't eat.  This is in all professional standards of 
diabetes care, which can be found on the web site of the American 
Diabetes Association at:
http://professional.diabetes.org/CPR_search.aspx

Paul also said, "The view seems to be that all blind people have sighted 
caregivers, and, I
don't have any idea where this comes from.  When I tell them that I don't
have sighted help, they throw up their hands in astonishment, and 
quickly fade away not knowing
what to do."

This is not acceptable, either legally or ethically.  Under the American 
with Disabilities Act, a CDE must provide reasonable accommodations to 
make sure that you can benefit from diabetes education services.  
Furthermore, the American Association of Diabetes Educators (AADE) has a 
very strong Position Statement about diabetes education for people with 
disabilities.  It states in no uncertain terms that diabetes educators 
must provide the same quality of care to people with disabilities as 
they do to people with no current disability.  An older position 
statement was published in 2002, and an update is due to be published 
this coming week or next.  AADE's Position Statements are available at:
http://www.diabeteseducator.org/About/position/position_statements.html
Scroll down to find the one about disabilities.

Now, to give your CDE the benefit of the doubt, I have to add that 
during their basic education, very few health care professionals have 
adequate preparation for working with blind people effectively.  (It's 
not right, but that is the way it is.)  So maybe your CDE needs some 
help knowing what she should do to serve you well.  You can tell her 
that AADE has a Disabilities Specialty Practice Group, with members who 
have experience working with people who have all kinds of disabilities.  
She can contact the Chair of that group (who happens to be me this year) 
to get hooked up with another CDE who can help coach her on appropriate 
ways to work with you and any other blind people who come to see her.

Ann Williams, PhD, RN, CDE

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From ebryant at socket.net  Tue Feb 24 20:51:19 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:51:19 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] body lotion
In-Reply-To: <002201c995c9$4a97fe90$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
References: <002201c995c9$4a97fe90$0202a8c0@VALUED664B84C7>
Message-ID: <000401c996c1$a5209400$ef61bc00$@net>

Hi Debbie,
   The body lotion I mentioned was MEDLINE REMEDY SKIN CREAM.  I had to
contact several pharmacies until I found one that carried the body cream.
If you cannot find it after searching, I will gladly help you order you a
container.
	Please let me know if I can be of help.  

Regards,
Ed Bryant 

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of catdancing
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:14 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] body lotion

A while back Ed Brynt mentioned some kind of body lotion that was supposed
to be good for diabetic skin. I went to my doc in early Feb and asked him to
write a script for it. (can't remember the name) but the doc said he had
never heard of it and the pharmacy here said they don't carry it. I really
wanted to try this stuff but have no clue where to get it.
Does anyone know?
Debbie
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Tue Feb 24 22:36:33 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot Cream
	Offers	Relief	for	People	with	Diabetes
Message-ID: <20090224223633.22861.48701@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

thanks,
Donna says I can get some from Avon.
when I get extra money I will do just that.

thanks,

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From dmiller64 at tx.rr.com  Tue Feb 24 23:46:19 2009
From: dmiller64 at tx.rr.com (Donna Miller)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:46:19 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot
	CreamOffers	Relief	for	People	with	Diabetes
References: <20090224223633.22861.48701@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
Message-ID: <D7A87EE6009E46508C49CD97207947F1@DONNA>

Avon has some foot products that seem to be pretty good. It took care of a 
foot problem I had and I'm pleased.
--If you ever see a turtle on a fence post, remember he didn't get there by 
himself.

Donna Miller and Leader Dog Abe

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From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot CreamOffers Relief for People with 
Diabetes


> thanks,
> Donna says I can get some from Avon.
> when I get extra money I will do just that.
>
> thanks,
>
> -- 
> --Dar
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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 00:26:37 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:26:37 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] FW:
	FootCreamOffers	Relief	for	People	with	Diabetes
References: <20090224223633.22861.48701@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>
	<D7A87EE6009E46508C49CD97207947F1@DONNA>
Message-ID: <062E6125FAD4454A84975690837FDC2F@Alan>

Would that be skin so soft?  I ask because I recently became an Avon rep...and I swear by skin so soft. *GRIN*


In Christ,
Alan



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From: "Donna Miller" <dmiller64 at tx.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 05:46
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: FootCreamOffers Relief for People with Diabetes


> Avon has some foot products that seem to be pretty good. It took care of a 
> foot problem I had and I'm pleased.
> --If you ever see a turtle on a fence post, remember he didn't get there by 
> himself.
> 
> Donna Miller and Leader Dog Abe
> 
> dmiller64 at tx.rr.com
> 
> ddm2651 at hotmail.com
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] FW: Foot CreamOffers Relief for People with 
> Diabetes
> 
> 
>> thanks,
>> Donna says I can get some from Avon.
>> when I get extra money I will do just that.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> -- 
>> --Dar
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From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Feb 25 03:29:02 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:29:02 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw:  Returning member with questions.
References: <62065B5738DF4ABBBCF3E1444017BC4D@owner96190708e>
	<DB281E03248A43C4885666F30294816C@Alan>
Message-ID: <C5CD54293AB94E03869EB88F93B8ED75@owner96190708e>

Hi, Alan.

Have you put "fingersticking" into the search box on the NFB site and 
read Ed's fine article? And also the one last fall by Tom Ley?

Ann's advice also makes sense. But I suspect that the real problem is 
that you just haven't developed a technique that works consistently for 
you yet. About the only real answer is practice, practice and then 
practice and practice some more.

I obviously wouldn't object if you had someone (presumably sighted) do 
your checks; only you can decide what this means in terms of your 
independence. But rest assured that every last one of us found testing 
frustrating as Hades at first; I know I did. But it really does get 
better.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: Returning member with questions.


Mike,
My problem is that what you described about alternate sites applies to 
me and fingers.  There is no accuracy or consistency...in fact, there is 
bordering on no results whatsoever.  A friend even suggested the ear 
lobe.  I will do just about anything at this point.  The finger sticking 
just seems so futile. As much as I believe in independence, I often 
wonder if having someone do the testing for me wouldn't be a 
solution...for better or worse.

I mean, deep down, I know the answer...I am just frustrated with my lack 
of results.

Sorry for the rambling vent...I'll go back to my corner now. LOL!





In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: Returning member with questions.


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
> Allen:
>
> I realize you may not wish to hear it but ...
>
> I have never known a blind person who was successfully and 
> consistently
> able to use alternate-site testing. It is too difficult to determine
> where the blood spot is for the same reason that many find alternate
> site testing desirable: fewer nerve endings.
>
> I realize many may take this wrong but I think I can get away with it
> with you: suck it up and stick your fingers. (grin) You'll get better
> results
> and if your bg is rapidly fluctuating, the readings will be more
> accurate into the bargain!
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: <Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
> Hi,
> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
> sites other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
>
> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
> sheer frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough 
> water?
> Any thoughts?
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
> I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
> up. Psalms 5:3
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From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Feb 25 03:31:06 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net>
	<AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan>
Message-ID: <5EE029F25A394080BEF60CDC38D3B975@owner96190708e>

Yes, some lancets are thicker than others.

Let me ask you this: have you really and truly spent five minutes with 
your hands under warm-to-hot water? I have Raynaud's Syndrome so am very 
familiar with not getting enough blood to the extremeties. But a bit of 
patience and a lot of hot water often helps.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


Ann,
I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.  My 
only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking. 
Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too much.

BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that true?


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Alan,
>
> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough 
> blood
> from his or her fingers.
>
> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood out
> of their fingers:
>
>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands.
>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get 
> the
>      blood down into your hand.
>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like 
> a
>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger, 
> just
>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if 
> you
>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly 
> snugly,
>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your 
> thumb.
>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band off
>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Feb 25 03:31:57 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:31:57 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <40C6D8CD58534110BC00657CB84AD0E2@Alan><005f01c99619$ea9398a0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan><5A0B4D29333B49A79A037966BC5CADAF@owner96190708e>
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Perhaps you need to work a bit with a CDE who can watch your technique?

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


The sting isn't the issue.  It's actually tolerable.  It's my seeming 
inability to get any blood at all.


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> The real problem here is the flip-side of the advantage of alternate
> site testing: fewer nerves. So it's correspondingly more difficult to
> find exactly where the spot of blood is on the alternate site.
>
> Better in my estimation to just put up with the sting and do
> finger-sticks; the readings are more accurate anyway. Moreover, I
> *prefer* a bit of a sting in that I know the lancet has punched thru 
> any
> calluses that may have built up.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
> Which of the prodigy meters are you using?  That has been a lot of my
> problem with the audocode, and, I agree that it's very frustrating.
> If it is the audocode, you might have someone who sees watch you test.
> This
> was a big help to me, because I was assured that I continue to be a 
> good
> bleeder.
> The main thing I would encourage you to do is not to get too down on
> your
> self-confidence to deal with, and keep after it.
> If you've been gone a while, welcome back, and best of luck.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:33 PM
> To: Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
> Hi,
> This is for Prodigy meter users who do alternate site testing.  Which
> sites
> other than the fingers seem to give you the best results?
>
> I am still having great difficulty getting samples, to the point of
> sheer
> frustration. I wonder if, perhaps I am not drinking enough water?  Any
> thoughts?
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will
> I
> direct my prayer unto thee, and will look
> up. Psalms 5:3
> ~~~
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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 04:34:51 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:34:51 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net><AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan>
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Message-ID: <02EC942443DC4F37869E1901AA93C977@Alan>

Ooh, no, not five minutes...and not by my own choice...it was never suggested I do a full five minutes...I will keep that in mind. 

Does amount of water intake make any appreciable difference?


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 09:31
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Yes, some lancets are thicker than others.
> 
> Let me ask you this: have you really and truly spent five minutes with 
> your hands under warm-to-hot water? I have Raynaud's Syndrome so am very 
> familiar with not getting enough blood to the extremeties. But a bit of 
> patience and a lot of hot water often helps.
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
> Ann,
> I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.  My 
> only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking. 
> Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too much.
> 
> BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that true?
> 
> 
> In Christ,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> +-+-+-
> 
>   There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ 
> Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh,
> but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
>> Alan,
>>
>> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough 
>> blood
>> from his or her fingers.
>>
>> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood out
>> of their fingers:
>>
>>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands.
>>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
>>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
>>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get 
>> the
>>      blood down into your hand.
>>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
>>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like 
>> a
>>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger, 
>> just
>>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if 
>> you
>>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly 
>> snugly,
>>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your 
>> thumb.
>>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
>>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band off
>>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From k7uij at panix.com  Wed Feb 25 04:56:25 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:56:25 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net><AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan><5EE029F25A394080BEF60CDC38D3B975@owner96190708e>
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No but I thought it might get your hands a bit warmer.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


Ooh, no, not five minutes...and not by my own choice...it was never 
suggested I do a full five minutes...I will keep that in mind.

Does amount of water intake make any appreciable difference?


In Christ,
Alan



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and he in God.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 09:31
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Yes, some lancets are thicker than others.
>
> Let me ask you this: have you really and truly spent five minutes with
> your hands under warm-to-hot water? I have Raynaud's Syndrome so am 
> very
> familiar with not getting enough blood to the extremeties. But a bit 
> of
> patience and a lot of hot water often helps.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
> Ann,
> I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.  My
> only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking.
> Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too much.
>
> BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that 
> true?
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ
> Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh,
> but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough
>> blood
>> from his or her fingers.
>>
>> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood 
>> out
>> of their fingers:
>>
>>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands.
>>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
>>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
>>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get
>> the
>>      blood down into your hand.
>>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
>>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like
>> a
>>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger,
>> just
>>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if
>> you
>>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly
>> snugly,
>>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your
>> thumb.
>>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
>>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band 
>> off
>>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
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From awheeler at neb.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 11:10:08 2009
From: awheeler at neb.rr.com (Alan Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:10:08 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net><AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan><5EE029F25A394080BEF60CDC38D3B975@owner96190708e><02EC942443DC4F37869E1901AA93C977@Alan>
	<F54AACF74DBE4898993575D9C5D58F76@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <B5EA3F129F92461C8CFE133969697E76@Alan>

No, I meant drinking water.  I was wondering to myself lately if, maybe, I wasn't drinking enough water, and so, maybe, my blood was too thick?

Isn't it great the ideas we untrained medical amateurs come up with? 


In Christ,
Alan



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:56
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> No but I thought it might get your hands a bit warmer.
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
> Ooh, no, not five minutes...and not by my own choice...it was never 
> suggested I do a full five minutes...I will keep that in mind.
> 
> Does amount of water intake make any appreciable difference?
> 
> 
> In Christ,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> +-+-+-
> 
>   Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, 
> and he in God.
> 1 John 4:15
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 09:31
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
> 
> 
>> Yes, some lancets are thicker than others.
>>
>> Let me ask you this: have you really and truly spent five minutes with
>> your hands under warm-to-hot water? I have Raynaud's Syndrome so am 
>> very
>> familiar with not getting enough blood to the extremeties. But a bit 
>> of
>> patience and a lot of hot water often helps.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>> Ann,
>> I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.  My
>> only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking.
>> Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too much.
>>
>> BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that 
>> true?
>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ
>> Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh,
>> but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough
>>> blood
>>> from his or her fingers.
>>>
>>> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood 
>>> out
>>> of their fingers:
>>>
>>>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands.
>>>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
>>>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>>>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
>>>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get
>>> the
>>>      blood down into your hand.
>>>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
>>>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like
>>> a
>>>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger,
>>> just
>>>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if
>>> you
>>>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>>>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly
>>> snugly,
>>>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your
>>> thumb.
>>>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>>>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
>>>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band 
>>> off
>>>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diabetes-talk mailing list
>>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Wed Feb 25 15:20:38 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:20:38 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible bug
	in system
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e>
	<88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
Message-ID: <F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>

Hi List

In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new 
Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to update 
you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to see if 
your meter does the same as mine.

After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided to 
cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them to my 
Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average 
function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual readings 
the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the "AM" 
or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four 
times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. Then 
on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM and 
ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the previous 
two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and eleven 
AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM and 
ten-thirty AM.

I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to 
them and their representative thanked me for the information and indicated 
that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in 
question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to work 
exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.

My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible bug 
in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?

Yours,
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice


> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to 
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have 
> been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent 
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy 
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
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From jon at northcoastmed.com  Wed Feb 25 20:05:54 2009
From: jon at northcoastmed.com (Jon Carey)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:05:54 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net>
	<AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan>
Message-ID: <782795F31839C04C98CB72E583264C6161CDDC@admailsvr.northcoastmed.local>

Alan,

Yes, Lancets do vary in size. The standard lancet is 28G and can be as
small as 33G  

When Gauge is the sizing metric, a larger number is smaller in diameter.



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-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alan Wheeler
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.

Ann,
I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.  My
only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking.
Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too much.

BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that true?


In Christ,
Alan



+-+-+-

   There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ
Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh,  
but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
~~~
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IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
Skype: redwheel1

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> Alan,
> 
> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough
blood 
> from his or her fingers.
> 
> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood out

> of their fingers:
> 
>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands. 
>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good idea.
>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were shaking
>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get
the
>      blood down into your hand.
>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is better
>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, like
a
>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger,
just
>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if
you
>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly
snugly,
>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your
thumb.
>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop of
>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band off
>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
Diabetes-talk:
>
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 26 00:08:24 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible
	bugin system
In-Reply-To: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
	<F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
	<F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS564BBD89DD8270C007054A1AD0@phx.gbl>

ddi will send you the software to plug into you meter and upload all your 
readings.
Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible 
bugin system


> Hi List
>
> In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new
> Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to update
> you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to see 
> if
> your meter does the same as mine.
>
> After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided to
> cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them to 
> my
> Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average
> function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual 
> readings
> the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the "AM"
> or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four
> times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. 
> Then
> on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM 
> and
> ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the previous
> two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and eleven
> AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM and
> ten-thirty AM.
>
> I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to
> them and their representative thanked me for the information and indicated
> that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
> question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to work
> exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.
>
> My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible bug
> in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?
>
> Yours,
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>
>
> > Hi List
> > I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to
> > post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have
> > been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> > product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> > people!
> > Albert Sanchez
> > Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> > 215 John Avenue
> > Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> > 252-757-3023
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
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> >
>
>
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From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 26 00:09:28 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible
	bugin system
In-Reply-To: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
	<F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
	<F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS56D93BD9EDC541C91B110A1AD0@phx.gbl>

I have had no problems, have you program you meter correctly.

I know stupid question.
Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible 
bugin system


> Hi List
>
> In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new
> Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to update
> you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to see 
> if
> your meter does the same as mine.
>
> After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided to
> cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them to 
> my
> Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average
> function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual 
> readings
> the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the "AM"
> or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four
> times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. 
> Then
> on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM 
> and
> ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the previous
> two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and eleven
> AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM and
> ten-thirty AM.
>
> I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to
> them and their representative thanked me for the information and indicated
> that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
> question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to work
> exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.
>
> My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible bug
> in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?
>
> Yours,
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>
>
> > Hi List
> > I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to
> > post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have
> > been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> > product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> > people!
> > Albert Sanchez
> > Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> > 215 John Avenue
> > Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> > 252-757-3023
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/albertsanchez%40suddenlink.net
> >
>
>
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From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Thu Feb 26 01:14:01 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:14:01 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
	possiblebugin system
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert><F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
	<BAY131-DS56D93BD9EDC541C91B110A1AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AD2D1962D5C54F7198571C8E1B0A9979@Albert>

yup
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found 
possiblebugin system


>I have had no problems, have you program you meter correctly.
>
> I know stupid question.
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible 
> bugin system
>
>
>> Hi List
>>
>> In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new
>> Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to 
>> update
>> you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to see 
>> if
>> your meter does the same as mine.
>>
>> After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided 
>> to
>> cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them to 
>> my
>> Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average
>> function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual 
>> readings
>> the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the 
>> "AM"
>> or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four
>> times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. 
>> Then
>> on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM 
>> and
>> ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the 
>> previous
>> two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and 
>> eleven
>> AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM and
>> ten-thirty AM.
>>
>> I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to
>> them and their representative thanked me for the information and 
>> indicated
>> that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
>> question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to 
>> work
>> exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.
>>
>> My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible 
>> bug
>> in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Albert Sanchez
>> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
>> 215 John Avenue
>> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
>> 252-757-3023
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>>
>>
>> > Hi List
>> > I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted 
>> > to
>> > post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have
>> > been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
>> > product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
>> > people!
>> > Albert Sanchez
>> > Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
>> > 215 John Avenue
>> > Greenville, NC 27858-4113
>> > 252-757-3023
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > Diabetes-talk:
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/albertsanchez%40suddenlink.net
>> >
>>
>>
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu Feb 26 02:24:19 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:24:19 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Announcing the New KnfbReader Mobile Sales Program
Message-ID: <auto-000090457911@mailfront2.g2host.com>


Announcing the New KnfbReader Mobile Sales Program

National Federation of the Blind Sales Initiative


Fellow Federationists and Friends:

On last month's presidential release Dr. Maurer 
announced the launch of a new program through 
which the NFB would be selling the KnfbReader 
Mobile.  I am excited to announce that the 
National Federation of the Blind KnfbReader 
Mobile sales program is now under way.  Beginning 
at the Washington Seminar the KnfbReader Mobile 
became available under this program.  All 
attendees of Washington Seminar had an 
opportunity to see the reader and to purchase 
it.  We got off to a good start at the seminar 
with several sales and a lot of demo time.

As you may have heard, the price for the Reader 
has dropped significantly over the past few 
months.  The price for the Reader software is now $995.

By the time you receive this announcement all 
readers will be shipping with a new and improved 
version of the KnfbReader Mobile software.  This 
latest edition of the program offers many fabulous improvements including:
?        significantly better character recognition,
?        a new and improved user interface,
?        language translation with the purchase 
of an extra language package, and
?        Support for the new Nokia 6220 Classic cell phone.

Add the cost of the cell phone for $350, thus 
making the cost for the complete KnfbReader 
Mobile $1,345 and you have the most affordable 
and portable reading system available on the market.

Under our sales program we will also be offering 
both Talks and MobileSpeak screen readers for the 
KnfbReader Mobile.  With either Talks or 
MobileSpeak, all of the standard functions of the 
cell phones used in the KnfbReader Mobile system 
become fully accessible to blind people.  We are 
excited to be able to offer not only the Reader 
but several ways to make the rest of the cell 
phone?s functions talk.  The price for either 
Talks or MobileSpeak is $295.  This means that 
for $1,640 you can have the latest and most 
advanced reading system available on the market 
today, as well as a fully accessible cell phone.

After you have purchased your new reader, the 
support team and I will be ready to give you all 
the technical assistance and encouragement you 
need.  We're always ready to answer any questions.

You can purchase your KnfbReader Mobile with 
MasterCard or VISA or by check.  Please contact 
me with any questions you may have at (888) 965-9191.

There?s even more great news to share:  The 
purchase of your KnfbReader Mobile can be 
financed under the NFB Technology Loan 
Program.  If you wish to finance your purchase 
under this program, the interest rate for your 
loan will be 3 percent (the best rate in 
town!).  To learn more about the loan program and 
to download an application, or to learn anything 
else about the NFB sales effort and the 
KnfbReader Mobile visit the special KnfbReader 
Mobile Web page at 
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com.

Finally, I'm pleased to tell you that I will be 
looking for some people to help sell the 
KnfbReader Mobile.  If you're looking for extra 
income or something that can turn into a 
full-time job and if you believe that you can 
sell this product, please call me.  I can be 
reached at (888) 965-9191 any time from 8:00 AM 
to 5:30 PM Pacific Time.  If you need to leave a 
voicemail, rest assured that I will call you back 
as soon as possible.  You also may reach me at 
<mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>mailto:info at michaelhingson.com.

I look forward to hearing from you and to helping 
you with your purchase of a KnfbReader Mobile as 
well as to supporting you as you learn to use 
your new device.  I believe that this is a very 
exciting program that promises to be fruitful for 
the NFB.  We all helped make the KnfbReader 
Mobile a reality.  Because of the unwavering 
commitment of the National Federation of the 
Blind and Ray Kurzweil, the dream of a 
pocket-sized reading machine has now come to 
life.  We have the opportunity to make this 
revolutionary technology available to blind 
people everywhere.  I look forward to your help 
in making the KnfbReader Mobile the most 
widely-used product among blind people in the United States.

Best wishes for your success,

Mike Hingson


The Michael Hingson Group
      ?Speaking with Vision?
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>
http://michaelhingson.com/images/knfbReader-michael_hingson.jpg

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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 02:54:48 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
	possiblebugin system
In-Reply-To: <BAY131-DS564BBD89DD8270C007054A1AD0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert><F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
	<BAY131-DS564BBD89DD8270C007054A1AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FD6E5F2B29C14F0C91887E9CCB0ECA5A@SuperMaddox>

Hello everyone,
You can also download the diabetes management software free from the DDI web
site. The url is:
http://www.prodigymeter.com/prodigy_management_software.php 
As far as I know, the software is not accessible using either JAWS or Window
Eyes. However, I am going to see if it can be scripted using JAWS, so, we'll
see what happens.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:08 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
possiblebugin system

ddi will send you the software to plug into you meter and upload all your
readings.
Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible 
bugin system


> Hi List
>
> In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new
> Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to update
> you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to see 
> if
> your meter does the same as mine.
>
> After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided to
> cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them to 
> my
> Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average
> function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual 
> readings
> the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the "AM"
> or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four
> times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. 
> Then
> on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM 
> and
> ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the previous
> two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and eleven
> AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM and
> ten-thirty AM.
>
> I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to
> them and their representative thanked me for the information and indicated
> that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
> question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to work
> exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.
>
> My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible bug
> in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?
>
> Yours,
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>
>
> > Hi List
> > I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to
> > post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have
> > been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> > product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> > people!
> > Albert Sanchez
> > Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> > 215 John Avenue
> > Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> > 252-757-3023
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Diabetes-talk:
> >
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%40suddenlink.net
> >
>
>
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> 

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From danspach at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 03:01:52 2009
From: danspach at tampabay.rr.com (David Anspach)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible
	bugin system
In-Reply-To: <F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert>
	<F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
Message-ID: <660A56A0B76B4C659756D28578E2A17A@SuperMaddox>

Hello Albert,
I have been using a Prodigy Voice meter since last August and have never
seen this issue with it. My unit has always registered the correct time and
ate when reviewing my readings.

Dave
 

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible
bugin system

Hi List

In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new
Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to update
you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to see if
your meter does the same as mine.

After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided to
cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them to my
Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average
function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual readings
the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the "AM" 
or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four
times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. Then
on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM and
ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the previous
two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and eleven
AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM and
ten-thirty AM.

I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to
them and their representative thanked me for the information and indicated
that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to work
exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.

My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible bug
in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?

Yours,
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice


> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted to 
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I have 
> been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent 
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy 
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> Diabetes-talk:
>
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%40suddenlink.net
> 


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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 26 04:26:23 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:26:23 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net><AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan><5EE029F25A394080BEF60CDC38D3B975@owner96190708e><02EC942443DC4F37869E1901AA93C977@Alan><F54AACF74DBE4898993575D9C5D58F76@owner96190708e>
	<B5EA3F129F92461C8CFE133969697E76@Alan>
Message-ID: <8924A050C1F947EF8154909E6EFBDF4F@owner96190708e>

If you're not thirsty, don't worry about it! Unlesss you are in DKA (and 
you'd know it if you were, believe me!), your body will tell you when 
you need to drink more -- unles you are totally absent-minded like me --  
I remember in college thinking: ya know; seems to me I decided I was 
thirsty two hours ago! Wonder if I did anything about it? (har)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


No, I meant drinking water.  I was wondering to myself lately if, maybe, 
I wasn't drinking enough water, and so, maybe, my blood was too thick?

Isn't it great the ideas we untrained medical amateurs come up with?


In Christ,
Alan



+-+-+-

   for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of 
yourselves; it is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8
~~~
awheeler at neb.rr.com
IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
Skype: redwheel1

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:56
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> No but I thought it might get your hands a bit warmer.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
> Ooh, no, not five minutes...and not by my own choice...it was never
> suggested I do a full five minutes...I will keep that in mind.
>
> Does amount of water intake make any appreciable difference?
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him,
> and he in God.
> 1 John 4:15
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 09:31
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
>> Yes, some lancets are thicker than others.
>>
>> Let me ask you this: have you really and truly spent five minutes 
>> with
>> your hands under warm-to-hot water? I have Raynaud's Syndrome so am
>> very
>> familiar with not getting enough blood to the extremeties. But a bit
>> of
>> patience and a lot of hot water often helps.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>> Ann,
>> I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands. 
>> My
>> only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking.
>> Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too 
>> much.
>>
>> BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that
>> true?
>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ
>> Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh,
>> but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough
>>> blood
>>> from his or her fingers.
>>>
>>> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood
>>> out
>>> of their fingers:
>>>
>>>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands.
>>>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good 
>>> idea.
>>>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>>>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were 
>>> shaking
>>>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get
>>> the
>>>      blood down into your hand.
>>>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is 
>>> better
>>>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger, 
>>> like
>>> a
>>>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger,
>>> just
>>>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if
>>> you
>>>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>>>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly
>>> snugly,
>>>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your
>>> thumb.
>>>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>>>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop 
>>> of
>>>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band
>>> off
>>>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
>>>
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From keysjd at comcast.net  Thu Feb 26 04:40:32 2009
From: keysjd at comcast.net (Dan)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:40:32 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
	possiblebugin system
In-Reply-To: <FD6E5F2B29C14F0C91887E9CCB0ECA5A@SuperMaddox>
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert><F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
	<BAY131-DS564BBD89DD8270C007054A1AD0@phx.gbl>
	<FD6E5F2B29C14F0C91887E9CCB0ECA5A@SuperMaddox>
Message-ID: <DB403F58-1A74-4CD2-9299-F9E4519F264E@comcast.net>

Hello,
I'd also like to see the Prodigy software made available for Mac OS X  
and Linux systems as well. After all, more and more blind people are  
moving to the accessible out of the box Macintosh.


Dan

keysjd at comcast.net




On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:54 PM, David Anspach wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> You can also download the diabetes management software free from the  
> DDI web
> site. The url is:
> http://www.prodigymeter.com/prodigy_management_software.php
> As far as I know, the software is not accessible using either JAWS  
> or Window
> Eyes. However, I am going to see if it can be scripted using JAWS,  
> so, we'll
> see what happens.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl  
> echevarria
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:08 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
> possiblebugin system
>
> ddi will send you the software to plug into you meter and upload all  
> your
> readings.
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found  
> possible
> bugin system
>
>
>> Hi List
>>
>> In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a  
>> new
>> Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to  
>> update
>> you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you  
>> to see
>> if
>> your meter does the same as mine.
>>
>> After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I  
>> decided to
>> cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide  
>> them to
>> my
>> Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day  
>> average
>> function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual
>> readings
>> the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but  
>> the "AM"
>> or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read  
>> four
>> times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven  
>> PM.
>> Then
>> on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five- 
>> fifteen PM
>> and
>> ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the  
>> previous
>> two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and  
>> eleven
>> AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen  
>> AM and
>> ten-thirty AM.
>>
>> I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my  
>> findings to
>> them and their representative thanked me for the information and  
>> indicated
>> that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
>> question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems  
>> to work
>> exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.
>>
>> My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this  
>> possible bug
>> in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Albert Sanchez
>> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
>> 215 John Avenue
>> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
>> 252-757-3023
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>>
>>
>>> Hi List
>>> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and  
>>> wanted to
>>> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I  
>>> have
>>> been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
>>> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job  
>>> prodigy
>>> people!
>>> Albert Sanchez
>>> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
>>> 215 John Avenue
>>> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
>>> 252-757-3023
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> for
>>> Diabetes-talk:
>>>
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> %40suddenlink.net
>>>
>>
>>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 26 04:41:25 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:41:25 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
	possiblebugin system
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert><F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
	<BAY131-DS564BBD89DD8270C007054A1AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <821A04C8C091418A9CEFDE7A12032F00@owner96190708e>

I don't think the software is accessible, though.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found 
possiblebugin system


ddi will send you the software to plug into you meter and upload all 
your
readings.
Cheryl Echevarria


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible
bugin system


> Hi List
>
> In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a 
> new
> Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to 
> update
> you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to 
> see
> if
> your meter does the same as mine.
>
> After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I 
> decided to
> cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them 
> to
> my
> Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day 
> average
> function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual
> readings
> the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the 
> "AM"
> or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read 
> four
> times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM.
> Then
> on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen 
> PM
> and
> ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the 
> previous
> two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and 
> eleven
> AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM 
> and
> ten-thirty AM.
>
> I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings 
> to
> them and their representative thanked me for the information and 
> indicated
> that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
> question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to 
> work
> exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.
>
> My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible 
> bug
> in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?
>
> Yours,
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice
>
>
> > Hi List
> > I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and 
> > wanted to
> > post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I 
> > have
> > been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> > product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job 
> > prodigy
> > people!
> > Albert Sanchez
> > Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> > 215 John Avenue
> > Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> > 252-757-3023
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> > for
> > Diabetes-talk:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/albertsanchez%40suddenlink.net
> >
>
>
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From k7uij at panix.com  Thu Feb 26 04:43:24 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:43:24 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found
	possiblebugin system
References: <20090219014456.k7uij@panix.com><007b01c992cb$a8816b00$f9844100$@net><09C49FB4C6B249A78D520AB88123DF41@owner96190708e><88743FC4EE2B4B9FB918E862A5E38EBB@Albert><F3CD7E9E421440C5AC91BA14675BF5E7@Albert>
	<660A56A0B76B4C659756D28578E2A17A@SuperMaddox>
Message-ID: <912CB86C10384876BD9F24355BA9DEAC@owner96190708e>

Perhaps there's a bug in the new firmware?

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Anspach" <danspach at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found 
possiblebugin system


Hello Albert,
I have been using a Prodigy Voice meter since last August and have never
seen this issue with it. My unit has always registered the correct time 
and
ate when reviewing my readings.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice and found possible
bugin system

Hi List

In an earlier post I reported to you that I had recently acquired a new
Prodigy Voice glucometer. Now, almost a week later, I would like to 
update
you on my findings and let you know what I have found, and ask you to 
see if
your meter does the same as mine.

After taking four readings a day, for four days in succession I decided 
to
cycle through, and write down my readings so that I could provide them 
to my
Doctor since I can't download the data to my computer. The 7-day average
function seemed to work correctly, but, when I read the individual 
readings
the meter showed the date and time of each reading correctly, but the 
"AM"
or "PM" was wrong. Let me give you an example. Lets say that I read four
times on February 22 2009 at five AM, nine AM, four PM, and eleven PM. 
Then
on February 23, 2009 I read at six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen PM 
and
ten-thirty PM. When I cycle through those eight readings from the 
previous
two days I would get: for Feb. 22nd, five AM, nine AM, four AM, and 
eleven
AM. For Feb. 23 I would get six AM, eleven-thirty AM, five-fifteen AM 
and
ten-thirty AM.

I subsequently contacted the Prodigy people and explained my findings to
them and their representative thanked me for the information and 
indicated
that they would send me a new meter, asking me to return the meter in
question. I have since received the replacement meter and it seems to 
work
exactly as the first one, showing the "AM" "PM" incorrectly.

My question to the list is this: has anyone else noticed this possible 
bug
in the system, or have I simply gotten two bad meters?

Yours,
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Sanchez" <albertsanchez at suddenlink.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:44 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Got my new Prodigy Voice


> Hi List
> I received my Prodigy Voice glucometer yesterday afternoon and wanted 
> to
> post my reaction to this new (for me at least), product. So far, I 
> have
> been able to get good readings on the first try. What an excellent
> product--small, easy to use, and! fully! accessible! Nice Job prodigy
> people!
> Albert Sanchez
> Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
> 215 John Avenue
> Greenville, NC 27858-4113
> 252-757-3023
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diabetes-talk mailing list
> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Diabetes-talk:
>
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%40suddenlink.net
>


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From jerry.hathaway2 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 26 20:25:44 2009
From: jerry.hathaway2 at verizon.net (Jerry Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:25:44 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] big discount on the NFBO Cruise
Message-ID: <791EF34ED8304951912053A811240077@jerryhpbz26o6n>

NFBO Cruise News

 

Because of Norwegian's promotions that are being offered right now, I was able to re-negotiate our group cruise rates.  Norwegian discounted all the cabin categories and gave us an even bigger discount on the inside rooms!  Here are the new rates:

 

Inside Cabin * = $434 + tax per person (This is $220 per person less than before!)

Ocean View Cabin = $774 + tax per person

Balcony Cabin = $1,134 + tax per person

 

* I am still offering a discount of $20 off per person for the first 5 inside cabins booked by March 1, 2009!  That will give you a rate of only $414 + tax per person for these 5 cabins, but it needs to be booked by March 1, 2009!

 

Also, for whoever books by March 13th, an on-board credit of up to $75 will be offered.  For those who are interested in having 3 or 4 people in a cabin, the 3rd and 4th person rates are only $99 + tax per person on ANY category!!!  This special rate on the 3rd & 4th person will also expire March 13, 2009.

 

I wanted to also let you know that dog liter boxes are also available to have in the cabin, upon request, for those who are bringing their sight dogs.  The cruise line is limited on their supply and should be reserved as soon as possible, but these boxes would be really nice to have in the cabin to avoid having to go to a different deck for the relief sight.  I recommend booking a balcony cabin if someone were planning on having their dogs with them --- the rooms are bigger, and then there would be plenty of room for the liter box.  The cruise line would then empty the boxes on a daily basis.

 

Another bit of information I wanted to point out, I have started a list of "single" travelers that would like to go if matched up with a roommate.  So far I have one female and one male looking for a roommate. 

 

Help get the word out --- these are fantastic rates to a destination that normally does not come down in price!  Even with these incredible prices, the NFBO will still receive $100 per cabin booked and will receive a bonus donation for every 8th cabin booked.  Remember, only $275 per person is all that is needed to reserve a cabin; and all but $25 per person is refunded if canceled prior to June 5, 2009 (the final due date).

 

Thanks, again!

 

Kim Howell

Travelfax

503-743-3915 or 800-480-7405

 


From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 27 01:02:28 2009
From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY131-DS59D0B123EE8D20A2060C9A1AA0@phx.gbl>

Hi all I didn't want you to think that this was a spam so I didn't put this 
in subject.

Since this is going out to so many people I also didn't put the o/t in 
subject line sorry friends.

The NFB of NY, that is the National Federation of the Blind of NY is hold a 
fundraiser.

If you like Texas Holdem Poker or even if you don't this is a night of fun 
for $20.

And yes there are cash prizes also.

It is being held on Allinplay.com, this is a poker site for everyone but the 
best thing about this site is that it is accessible to the blind community. 
You don't have to become a member of the site at all.

below is the link to the information.  You can pay either through paypal or 
you can pay by, or you can send checks to

>From Carl Jacobsen, President of the NFB of NY State, "A person doesn't need 
an account with paypal to pay us via the internet.  However, if they would 
rather pay in the usual way, (that is a check) they can send it to the 
office mailbox. The address is:
 NFB of New York State
PO Box 09-0363 Brooklyn, NY 11209
If they are going to use that method, they need to be sure that we have the
check by March 20."

Please also if you are paying by check, you must also give your e-mail 
address so that way you will receive an e-mail from Allinplay.com how to 
sign in on the day of the tournament.

Here is the link:

http://nfbny.org/nyc_hold_em_tournimnt.htm

It is a lot of fun.

If you have any questions please e-mail me at cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com


Cheryl Echevarria
National Federation of the Blind of Greater Long Island
Treasurer 




From paujor at fuse.net  Fri Feb 27 02:41:10 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:41:10 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy voice
Message-ID: <007201c99884$d9bd32d0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>

Well, what do you know.  I got my new prodigy voice meter today.  Please
understand that I am big time technologicly challenged, and as luck and
fortune would have it, 

I set it up all by myself.  This is really big stuff!!!  Tonight, I  tested
with it for the first time, and wonder of wonders, it did exactly what it is
supposed to do.  

I'll let you know if any other problems crop up, but for now, I'm really
pleased.  

 

Paul



From leanne at uddle.com  Fri Feb 27 03:05:47 2009
From: leanne at uddle.com (LeAnne Mayne)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:05:47 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy
 voice
In-Reply-To: <007201c99884$d9bd32d0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20090226210547.00ee13c8@uddle.com>

Hopefully it'll only get better and easier.
LeAnne Mayne

  LeAnne Mayne     KB9ZEF      leanne at uddle.com
    Listen  to:   LIFE  THE  UNIVERSE  &
                          EVERYTHING  w/Blair Alper           
     Sundays 7pm CST HTTP://cband.info/rfd2.m3u  
                                                     
                                                          



From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Feb 27 04:18:28 2009
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:18:28 -0800
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy
	voice
In-Reply-To: <007201c99884$d9bd32d0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
References: <007201c99884$d9bd32d0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <20090227041828.k7uij@panix.com>

Good for you!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Bl'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Thursday, Feb 26, 2009 18:48:32
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy voice

>
>
> Well, what do you know.  I got my new prodigy voice meter today.  Please
> understand that I am big time technologicly challenged, and as luck and
> fortune would have it, 
> 
> I set it up all by myself.  This is really big stuff!!!  Tonight, I  tested
> with it for the first time, and wonder of wonders, it did exactly what it is
> supposed to do.  
> 
> I'll let you know if any other problems crop up, but for now, I'm really
> pleased.  
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
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From dmgina at samobile.net  Fri Feb 27 04:54:00 2009
From: dmgina at samobile.net (d m gina)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:54:00 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy
	voice
Message-ID: <20090227045400.7004.77298@p2025330.pubip.peer1.net>

Say that is wonderful.
Good for you.
The problem I have with my meter is this,
when it says numbers that sound alike, it is hard to know what number is tru.
fifty is hard for me to understand and there are others the same way.
I with they would say the numbers a bit more clearly.

-- 
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From ebryant at socket.net  Fri Feb 27 19:06:01 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:06:01 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy
	voice
In-Reply-To: <007201c99884$d9bd32d0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
References: <007201c99884$d9bd32d0$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <001301c9990e$6e3811d0$4aa83570$@net>

Hi Paul,
	THAT'S GREAT NEWS!

Regards,
Ed Bryant

-----Original Message-----
From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul & Paula Jordan
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:41 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] what do you know!!! I finally got my prodigy voice

Well, what do you know.  I got my new prodigy voice meter today.  Please
understand that I am big time technologicly challenged, and as luck and
fortune would have it, 

I set it up all by myself.  This is really big stuff!!!  Tonight, I  tested
with it for the first time, and wonder of wonders, it did exactly what it is
supposed to do.  

I'll let you know if any other problems crop up, but for now, I'm really
pleased.  

 

Paul

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From KBowman at nfb.org  Fri Feb 27 20:52:32 2009
From: KBowman at nfb.org (Bowman,
	Kristi)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:52:32 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Assisting the March for Independence in Detroit
Message-ID: <auto-000090801705@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Greetings:

Do you have a friend, business associate, old 
high school buddy, or family member in the 
Detroit metro area? If you do, please let me know 
about them. As we approach our national 
convention in Detroit, we are again working to 
make our annual March for Independence ? A Walk 
for Opportunity an extraordinary success. One of 
the ways we have found to be very effective is to 
seek the support of local political, community, 
civic, and corporate leaders. Our Michigan 
affiliate is already working hard to do this. 
Noor Allain, Kristi Bowman, and myself are also 
spending time in Detroit. We are still developing 
the route, we are still seeking community leaders 
to serve as co-chairs for the event, we are 
looking for imaginative ideas to make the event 
empowering and distinctive, and we are seeking 
financial sponsors. So search your memories. If 
you have an uncle who is a marketing director, a 
cousin who works for traffic engineering, a 
friend of a friend who is the president of the 
downtown Lions Club, and so on and so forth. 
Please let me know. No idea is too silly. Some 
won't work out, but I'd rather have them. Send me 
an e-mail please or call my office at (866) 
543-6808. We will be in Detroit next week, 
working with our Michigan affiliate leadership, 
the Chamber of Commerce, the Convention and 
Visitors Bureau, and others. Thank you and stay imagining.

At Your Service,

Kevan Worley
CEO,Worley Enterprises
kevanworley at blindmerchants.org

(866) 543-6808




From ebryant at socket.net  Fri Feb 27 20:52:56 2009
From: ebryant at socket.net (Ed Bryant)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:52:56 -0600
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Healthy Home Cooking
Message-ID: <000001c9991d$5e3ac160$1ab04420$@net>

Hi Folks,

                The following article ?Healthy Home Cooking? appeared in the
Voice in 2004, and was well received.  We carried this column in the Voice
in every issue, so I thought you might enjoy reading it.  

 

Regards,

Ed Bryant

 

 

HEALTHY HOME COOKING

 

by JoAnna M. Lund

 

(This article appeared in the Voice of the Diabetic, Volume 19, Number
1,Winter 2004, published by the Diabetes Action Network of the National
Federation of the Blind.)

 

Hi, I?m JoAnna Lund and I specialize in creating what I fondly call ?common
folk? healthy recipes, intended for people with diabetes, heart/cholesterol
concerns and anyone following just about any reputable eating plan.  Best of
all, everyone sitting at the table (even if they don?t have any health
concerns) will love my creations because they taste so good! You may have
enjoyed some of my recipes in the Recipe Corner of this fine publication or
in my many cookbooks, including The Diabetic?s Healthy Exchanges Cookbook or
The Diabetic?s Dessert Cookbook. 

 Each visit, during the coming year, I will be sharing several easy cooking
tips to help you revise your own family favorites into healthier versions.
I?ll also be revising one or two of your family favorites ? that is if you
send them to me!  While space won?t permit sharing the original recipe, I?ll
compare my revised version to the original in nutrients.  Also, I promise
not to share your name or city, only your initials and state. So you don?t
have to worry that your letters and notes to me will be made public.  

In my cooking tips and recipes, I will be naming brands ? that is, what I
consider to be those products that deliver the most flavor for the least
amount of fats, sugars, sodium and cost that are easily available in my
small town!  If I don?t call for a specific brand, then any will do.  I
don?t have a relationship with these manufacturers and the brands are only
intended as suggestions.  If you choose to use another brand, that?s fine
with me.  Just remember that the final nutritional analysis could be
different, especially if I call for Blue Bunny sugar- & fat-free ice cream
and you use Ben & Jerry?s Premium instead!!!




First, though, let?s start with some easy cooking tips to help you keep your
new year?s resolution to cook and eat healthier in 2004.

First, winter is normally a time to enjoy many casserole and soup dishes.
How about an ultra-easy mix that?s ideal for substituting for canned creamed
soups?   To make JO?s Dry Casserole Soup Mix, all you need to do is combine
2 cups Carnation Nonfat Dry Milk Powder, 1 cup cornstarch, ?-cup dry
bouillon (your choice of flavor), 5 teaspoons dry onion flakes, 1 tablespoon
dry thyme, 1 tablespoon dry basil and 1 tablespoon black pepper.   Store
this in a covered container in a cool place.  Anytime you want to use this
instead of a (10 ?-ounce) can of purchased cream soup, all you have to do is
combine 1/3 cup of soup mixture and 1 cup of water.  You?ll save both money
and salt! 

Second, to make your own sugar-and fat-free lemon yogurt, simply combine one
small tub of Crystal Light Lemonade Mix and a 32-ounce container of plain
non-fat yogurt.  Mix well and store in the yogurt container.  Use in any
recipe that calls for lemon yogurt OR scoop ?-cup of it into a dessert dish
and enjoy!  It only counts as 1 Fat Free Milk and there?s NO added sugar!

Third, you can make diet salad dressings taste more like the ?real thing? by
adding a small amount of fat-free mayonnaise and a pinch of sugar substitute
to the diet dressing.  Here?s a good starting point:  Stir 1 teaspoon
fat-free mayo and ? teaspoon Splenda Granular into 2 tablespoons of
purchased fat-free salad dressing.  Drizzle this over your salad of choice
and your taste buds will appreciate it from the very first bite!




Fourth, if you?d like to bake cookies or desserts like your mother did, but
haven?t because her recipes called for sweetened condensed milk, I have a
sugar-free version that will work just fine.  In a 2-cup glass measuring
cup, combine ?-cup water and 1 1/3 cups Carnation Nonfat Dry Milk Powder
until it makes a smooth paste.  Cover and microwave on HIGH (100% power) for
45 to 60 seconds or just until mixture is very hot but not to the boiling
point.  Stir in ?-cup Splenda Granular.  Cover and refrigerate for at least
two hours before using.  This will keep for two weeks in your refrigerator.
Use in any recipe that calls for sweetened condensed milk. It makes the
equivalent of one (12-fluid-ounce) can of commercial brand. 

Fifth, if you want to use a recipe that calls for ?-cup of chopped nuts or
less and you are reluctant to use it because you don?t want to bother
getting the food processor, blender or nut chopper out (because you don?t
want to take them apart later to wash them), then I have an ultra easy
solution for you.  Simply use Grandma?s Food Processor ? a biscuit cutter!
Put the nuts in a small sturdy plastic bowl (even a Cool Whip container
works great) and chop away with the biscuit cutter.  When you are through
chopping to the consistency you want, all you have to do is toss the biscuit
cutter into the sink and it practically washes itself!

Sixth, if a recipe calls for fat-free cream cheese, do NOT ever use an
electric mixer to soften it!   Fat-free cream cheese is made with water and
if you stir it too vigorously, you will release the water and whatever
you?re making will end up a soupy mess.  Instead, put the fat-free cream
cheese (either tubs or bricks) in a large bowl, get out a sturdy plastic
mixing spoon and stir for 30 to 45 seconds ? 30 for the tubs and 45 for the
bricks.  Now, add whatever other ingredients the recipe calls for.   Your
finished product will look as good as it tastes.  If you?ve purchased
fat-free cream cheese in the past and used an electric mixer, then blamed
the cream cheese for turning soupy, now you know it wasn?t the cheese, it
was the cook that caused the problem!  

 

Now for our recipe makeovers.  




JR of TX sent me a cheesecake to ?lighten up? because she has diabetes and
her husband has high cholesterol. They both wanted to be able to enjoy their
favorite dessert without guilt.   By the time I was through, my version was
less than half the calories but still had all the flavor!

Cherries Ahoy Cheesecake

 

Ingredients:

2 (8-ounce) packages Philadelphia fat-free cream cheese

1 (4-serving) package JELL-O sugar-free instant vanilla pudding mix

2/3 cup Carnation Nonfat Dry Milk Powder

1 cup water

1 cup Cool Whip Lite

1 (6-ounce) Keebler chocolate pie crust

1 (20-ounce) can Lucky Leaf No Sugar Added Cherry Pie Filling

1 teaspoon almond extract

2 tablespoons slivered almonds

1 tablespoon mini chocolate chips

 

 

 

Instructions:

In a large bowl, stir cream cheese with a sturdy spoon until soft.  Add dry
pudding mix, dry milk powder, and water.  Mix well using a wire whisk.
Blend in ?-cup Cool Whip Lite.   Spread mixture into pie crust.  Refrigerate
while preparing topping.  In a medium bowl, combine cherry pie filling and
almond extract.  Evenly spoon pie filling mixture over set  filling.  Drop
remaining Cool Whip Lite by tablespoonful to form eight mounds.  Evenly
sprinkle almonds and chocolate chips over top.  Refrigerate for at least 30
minutes.  Cut into eight servings.

 

Each serving equals:




238 Calories, 7 gm fat, 12 gm protein, 33 gm carbo., 575 mg sodium, 2 gm
fiber; Diabetic Exchanges:  1 Starch/Carbo., 1 Fruit, 1 Meat, 1 Fat

Let?s Compare: The original recipe was 538 calories, 31gm fat, and 54 gm
carbohydrate.  Quite a difference.   Now you can enjoy without guilt!

SM of OK sent me a main dish recipe to revise.  He says he does the cooking
in his family and he likes his recipes easy and filling.   Well, they don?t
get much easier than this and my husband Cliff said it was a very filling
meal.  That?s two for two!!

 

Hamburger Hot Dish

 

Ingredients:

16 ounces ground extra-lean sirloin beef or turkey breast

1 (10 ?-ounce) can Healthy Request Tomato Soup

1 ? cups frozen whole-kernel corn, thawed

1 ? cups frozen green beans, thawed

1 cup diced cooked potatoes

? cup shredded Kraft reduced-fat Cheddar cheese

 

Instructions:

Preheat oven to 350 degrees.  Spray an 8-by-12-inch baking dish with
butter-flavored cooking spray.  In a large skillet sprayed with
butter-flavored cooking spray, brown meat.  Stir in tomato soup.  Add corn,
green beans and potatoes.   Mix well to combine.  Spread mixture into
prepared baking dish.  Evenly sprinkle Cheddar cheese over top.  Bake for 25
to 30 minutes.  Divide into six servings.  Freezes well.

 

Each serving equals:




238 calories, 6 gm fat, 20 gm protein, 26 gm carbo., 324 mg sodium, 2 gm
fiber; Diabetic Exchanges:  2 Meat, 1 Starch, ? Vegetable

Let?s Compare:  The original recipe was 364 calories, 18gm fat, and 28gm
carbo.  That?s a savings of well over 100 calories and 12 grams of fat.
Perfect for all those meat & potato guys who thought they couldn?t enjoy
dishes like this anymore! 

I hope you enjoyed our time together in the kitchen.  Remember, if you?d
like me to revise one of your family favorites so that it?s healthier, send
your request to: JoAnna Lund, c/o Voice of the Diabetic, 1412 I-70 Drive SW,
Suite C, Columbia, MO 65203.  Also, be sure to visit my website at
www.healthyexchanges.com for more ?common folk? healthy recipes to try.
See you next time!

 

 

 

 

 



From paujor at fuse.net  Sat Feb 28 11:48:57 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] better late than never
Message-ID: <001201c9999a$8a247c30$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>

Hi guys, Last weekend, there were several comments made about the prodigy
voice's memory.  I believe the issue was that when reviewing the memory,
sometimes it said that tests were performed in the evening rather than in
the morning, when they actually were p.m. as opposed to a.m. 

Yesterday, when I went to show my new meter to my cde, we discovered that it
did th;e same thing. Just so you know, the correct info is displayed on the
visual screen, even though the audible display lies!!! 

Hope this is helpful.  

 

Paul



From albertsanchez at suddenlink.net  Sat Feb 28 15:33:15 2009
From: albertsanchez at suddenlink.net (Albert Sanchez)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:33:15 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] better late than never
References: <001201c9999a$8a247c30$fdc8a8c0@PaulJordan>
Message-ID: <EA20C94388A54FC18D1268439F97A657@Albert>

Paul
Thanks for the information on your Prodigy Voice not reporting the proper 
"AM" or "PM" designator while cycling through your memory entries. I am the 
person who originally brought this issue to the list and have now seen this 
with two meters. What I did not report in my earlier post is that this is 
happening with the newest version of the Prodigy Voice. The older "Voice" 
has a button to eject the strip while the newest "Voice" has no "eject" 
button.
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul & Paula Jordan" <paujor at fuse.net>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:48 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] better late than never


> Hi guys, Last weekend, there were several comments made about the prodigy
> voice's memory.  I believe the issue was that when reviewing the memory,
> sometimes it said that tests were performed in the evening rather than in
> the morning, when they actually were p.m. as opposed to a.m.
>
> Yesterday, when I went to show my new meter to my cde, we discovered that 
> it
> did th;e same thing. Just so you know, the correct info is displayed on 
> the
> visual screen, even though the audible display lies!!!
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Sat Feb 28 16:38:53 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:38:53 -0700
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
In-Reply-To: <8924A050C1F947EF8154909E6EFBDF4F@owner96190708e>
References: <D6F90DCAB04847B6A9F66FD592767545@Alan><49A37CB3.5060507@sbcglobal.net><AA9A86FC6C9747709D88C3D93DF1CA29@Alan><5EE029F25A394080BEF60CDC38D3B975@owner96190708e><02EC942443DC4F37869E1901AA93C977@Alan><F54AACF74DBE4898993575D9C5D58F76@owner96190708e><B5EA3F129F92461C8CFE133969697E76@Alan>
	<8924A050C1F947EF8154909E6EFBDF4F@owner96190708e>
Message-ID: <D7DE884A2DB54AC88ECDA90FFE6CFBFE@DianePC>

Please remember how important it is to stay well-hydrated with water!!!  It 
help everything work better, and we all want to keep all of our organs!
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.


> If you're not thirsty, don't worry about it! Unlesss you are in DKA (and
> you'd know it if you were, believe me!), your body will tell you when
> you need to drink more -- unles you are totally absent-minded like me --
> I remember in college thinking: ya know; seems to me I decided I was
> thirsty two hours ago! Wonder if I did anything about it? (har)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
> No, I meant drinking water.  I was wondering to myself lately if, maybe,
> I wasn't drinking enough water, and so, maybe, my blood was too thick?
>
> Isn't it great the ideas we untrained medical amateurs come up with?
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of
> yourselves; it is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8
> ~~~
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:56
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>
>
>> No but I thought it might get your hands a bit warmer.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>> Ooh, no, not five minutes...and not by my own choice...it was never
>> suggested I do a full five minutes...I will keep that in mind.
>>
>> Does amount of water intake make any appreciable difference?
>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him,
>> and he in God.
>> 1 John 4:15
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 09:31
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>
>>
>>> Yes, some lancets are thicker than others.
>>>
>>> Let me ask you this: have you really and truly spent five minutes
>>> with
>>> your hands under warm-to-hot water? I have Raynaud's Syndrome so am
>>> very
>>> familiar with not getting enough blood to the extremeties. But a bit
>>> of
>>> patience and a lot of hot water often helps.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ann,
>>> I've tried everything you suggested, right up to the rubber bands.
>>> My
>>> only thought is I must be picking a poor place to do the sticking.
>>> Then, again, that could be fine, too.  I second guess myself too
>>> much.
>>>
>>> BTW, someone said something about lancets varying in size, is that
>>> true?
>>>
>>>
>>> In Christ,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +-+-+-
>>>
>>>   There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ
>>> Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh,
>>> but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
>>> ~~~
>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ann Williams" <clevelandann at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:50
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Returning member with questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alan,
>>>>
>>>> Alas!  It is not unusual or someone to have trouble getting enough
>>>> blood
>>>> from his or her fingers.
>>>>
>>>> Here are several things I have seen people use to get enough blood
>>>> out
>>>> of their fingers:
>>>>
>>>>   1. You already mentioned the first one, starting with warm hands.
>>>>      You mentioned warming your hands in water, which is a good
>>>> idea.
>>>>   2. Set your lancer to poke you as deeply as you can stand.
>>>>   3. Shake down the hand you're going to poke, as if you were
>>>> shaking
>>>>      down an old-fashioned mercury thermometer.  The idea is to get
>>>> the
>>>>      blood down into your hand.
>>>>   4. Before you poke your finger, take a rubber band (thick is
>>>> better
>>>>      than thin), and wrap a double thickness around your finger,
>>>> like
>>>> a
>>>>      small tourniquet.  Do not loop it over the top of the finger,
>>>> just
>>>>      use the double thickness as if it was one piece.  That way, if
>>>> you
>>>>      need to take it off after you lance, to get more blood flowing,
>>>>      you won't wipe off your blood drop. You can wrap it fairly
>>>> snugly,
>>>>      but not so tight it's painful. You can hold it down with your
>>>> thumb.
>>>>   5. When you can feel the blood engorging the fingertip, lance the
>>>>      side of the finger.  Many people will get a fairly large drop
>>>> of
>>>>      blood easily this way. But if you don't, take the rubber band
>>>> off
>>>>      now, and squeeze the finger from the base to the tip.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Ann Williams, RN, CDE
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From paujor at fuse.net  Sat Feb 28 19:52:33 2009
From: paujor at fuse.net (Paul & Paula Jordan)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:52:33 -0500
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] better late than never
In-Reply-To: <EA20C94388A54FC18D1268439F97A657@Albert>
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Hey, you're right on the money; I found in reviewing my owners manual to the
Voice that it did refer to a button that ejected the test strip.  As you
say, 
At least with mine, which is a new one, that doesn't exist.  Thanks for the
info.  

Paul

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[mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sanchez
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:33 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] better late than never

Paul
Thanks for the information on your Prodigy Voice not reporting the proper 
"AM" or "PM" designator while cycling through your memory entries. I am the 
person who originally brought this issue to the list and have now seen this 
with two meters. What I did not report in my earlier post is that this is 
happening with the newest version of the Prodigy Voice. The older "Voice" 
has a button to eject the strip while the newest "Voice" has no "eject" 
button.
Albert Sanchez
Al's Piano Tuning & Repair
215 John Avenue
Greenville, NC 27858-4113
252-757-3023
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To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:48 AM
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] better late than never


> Hi guys, Last weekend, there were several comments made about the prodigy
> voice's memory.  I believe the issue was that when reviewing the memory,
> sometimes it said that tests were performed in the evening rather than in
> the morning, when they actually were p.m. as opposed to a.m.
>
> Yesterday, when I went to show my new meter to my cde, we discovered that 
> it
> did th;e same thing. Just so you know, the correct info is displayed on 
> the
> visual screen, even though the audible display lies!!!
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
> Paul
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