[Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
Aziza
acwaterreader09 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 12 18:56:02 CST 2008
Joseph, I think your on the right track... To ponder this too seriously
would drive us all crazy. Besides, it's just to good of a joking matter to
pass up right?
I mean, who ever heard of a sound proof bathroom... That's a little creepy.
Anything could happen in a locked sound proof bathroom... And, what if the
doors open while this "anything" is taking place unbenounced to the ocupant
or ocupants?
Abby
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> 1. Technological toilets: This is not for real! Or is it?
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> 2. (Mike Freeman)
> 3. Re: technological toilet, this is for real! (T. Joseph Carter)
> 4. Re: technological toilet, this is for real! (T. Joseph Carter)
> 5. Re: technological toilet, this is for real! (T. Joseph Carter)
> 6. Re: technological toilet, this is for real! (Constance Canode)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:49:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: Eric Calhoun <eric at pmpmail.com>
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Technological toilets: This is not for real! Or is
> it?
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>
> That's something that _I hope _never happens.
>
> Eric
> -
>
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:25:05 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
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> I suspect the time limit is to prevent illicit activity such as "public"
> sexual encounters or drug activity. As I say, it may not be as idiotic
> as one might think -- just inordinately expensive and convoluted.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jennifer Aberdeen
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
>
>
> What if you're blind and for whatever reason, you take more than
> fifteen
> minutes? The door just opens for everyone to see! What idiocy!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Rhoads" <jrhoads284 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
>
>
> > OH...my....goodness......not only does it sound inaccessible, but
> creepy.
> > I
> > cannot even believe people put that much work into designing a
> toylet....
> >
> > Jamie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet Blind-Talk Mailing List"
> > <BlindTlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:38 AM
> > Subject: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> >
> >
> > Okay, just another device that's going to be user unfriendly to the
> blind.
> >
> > Sherri
> > Subject: Technology?
> >
> > FACILITIES REVIEW. Greetings, Earthlings.
> > Your New Restroom Is Ready.. NY Times Metropolitan Desk2008-01-11
> > By MICHAEL WILSON. When New York City's open-armed embrace
> > of tourists finally extends beyond the boundaries of Earth to
> creatures
> > from
> > outer
> > space, these visitors will find themselves right at home in Madison
> Square
> > Park's
> > sleek, shiny new public toilet.
> > Indeed, the toilet calls to mind not a port-o-let, but rather the
> sort of
> > room one
> > imagines adjoined the personal quarters of Capt. James T. Kirk on
> the
> > Starship Enterprise.
> > It is a 25-cent journey to the future -- and, almost secondarily, a
> not
> > unpleasant
> > restroom.
> > The restroom was unveiled on Thursday, the first of 20 planned for
> the
> > city
> > after
> > more than 30 years of false starts and frustrations. It faces
> Madison
> > Avenue
> > just
> > north of 23rd Street, and at first glance looks like a bus stop
> shelter.
> > There are two architectural flourishes, both on the roof: a small
> pyramid
> > of
> > glass,
> > like a little model of the Louvre, and an anachronistic metal
> stovepipe,
> > reminiscent
> > of a cozy shanty or an old outhouse with a crescent moon carved into
> the
> > door.
> > But no one goes to a bathroom to look at it. When the green light
> marked
> > 'vacant'
> > is lit, 25 cents -- coins only, no bills -- starts the visit.
> > What follows is possibly the longest and most awkward 20 to 30
> seconds of
> > a
> > person's
> > day. The door slips open like an elevator, but then it stays open,
> to
> > accomm odate
> > those who need extra time getting in. Meanwhile, men and women in
> suits
> > walk
> > past.
> > It is very difficult to look inconspicuous in a bathroom on a
> sidewalk in
> > New York
> > with the door open. There is just nothing to do but stand there. And
> the
> > delay will
> > not please those who are in distress.
> > Finally, the door closes, and the first surprise is the quiet. The
> walls
> > are
> > padded
> > to dampen street noise, leaving just the hum of a little fan
> overhead.
> > Six little lights and the skylight in the pyramid cast a neutral
> glow over
> > the user's
> > home for the next 15 minutes, the maximum time limit.
> > This toilet, which cost more than $100,000, is very spacious, large
> enough
> > to accommodate
> > a wheelchair. One cannot touch the side walls with arms
> outstretched.
> > The floor is rubber and, more strikingly, very wet, but not in a
> > bus-station-men's-room
> > way. There is an antiseptic, fresh smell to the place.
> > Sadly, these little surprises are forgotten with the first look at
> the
> > toilet itself,
> > an imposing, metal, cold-looking receptacle in the corner. There is
> no
> > little stall
> > around it, and so it looks exposed, like the facilities available in
> many
> > prisons.
> > It, too, is quite damp, for perfectly good reasons explained later,
> but
> > the
> > image
> > first evokes a dungeon or a scene from one of the 'Saw' pictures.
> > There is no seat to raise or lower, just the wide rim of the bowl,
> with
> > covers made
> > of tissue available in a dispenser to the side. Sitting down is a
> leap of
> > faith,
> > like falling backwards into a stranger's arms at a corporate
> team-building
> > retreat.
> > Turns out, it is cold. But once settled, the visitor finds the seat
> the
> > perfect place
> > to take in the room's other amenities.
> > There seem to be as many buttons as on Captain Kirk's bridge. Red
> buttons,
> > blue buttons,
> > yellow buttons, black and green buttons. The red ones near the door
> and
> > toilet call
> > the company for help in an emergency. The yellow calls for
> 'assistance,'
> > presumably
> > something less dire than an emergency, but nonetheless, a situation.
> Blue
> > flushes.
> > Black dispenses toilet paper. One will quickly familiarize oneself
> with
> > that
> > button,
> > because the designers have deigned a little 16-inch strip the
> standard
> > helping of
> > paper. A word to the wise: There is a maximum of just three
> helpings.
> > Another tip:
> > Do not tarry. A grim yellow light turns on when there are just three
> > minutes
> > remaining,
> > and after that, the door will open.
> > The sink is across the room. The big shocker here is the soap
> dispenser,
> > which actually
> > emits not a little squirt of soap, but a jet of warm water, with the
> soap
> > already
> > mixed in. Everything is motion-activated. No knobs anywhere. The
> warm-air
> > hand dryer
> > seems somewhat slow and weak, especially with that yellow light
> blinking
> > by
> > the door.
> > Assuming one finishes before the 15 minutes are up, the big green
> button
> > opens the
> > door. The horns and sirens and chatter of the city return,
> jarringly.
> > When the visitor steps out, the door shuts again, but the 'occupied'
> light
> > stays
> > lit. Strange hisses and spraying sounds come from within -- did
> someone
> > slip
> > past?
> > No, actually, the room is cleaning itself. A robotic arm swings out
> over
> > the
> > toilet
> > bowl and hits it with disinfectant, while similar jets spray across
> the
> > sink
> > and
> > the floor. Then, dryers fan hot air over everything, but like the
> hand
> > dryer, they
> > seem to need more juice.
> > This is all taken at the designer's word, for it is impossible to
> see. The
> > cleanup
> > cannot happen with someone in the room, with sensors below the floor
> to
> > detect any
> > weight.
> > After 90 seconds of cleaning, the green light outside comes back on.
> Next?
> > . PHOTO: Three officials, Janette Sadik-Khan, Adrian Benepe, center,
> and
> > Daniel L.
> > Doctoroff, consider the city's new toilet. There's no seat to raise,
> just
> > the bowl's
> > wide rim, with covers of tissues to use. (PHOTOGRAPH BY G. PAUL
> > BURNETT/THE
> > NEW YORK
> > TIMES) .
> > Sherri
> >
> > sbrun at cfl.rr.com
> >
> > TO DONATE YOUR USED CELL PHONE AND CHANGE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BLIND
> IN
> > CENTRAL FLORIDA go to:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Whether we succeed or fail in what we do is not the essential thing.
> >
> > What is important is the heart with which we live our lives.
> >
> >
> >
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> I suspect the time limit is to prevent illicit activity such as "public"
> sexual encounters or drug activity. As I say, it may not be as idiotic as
> one might think -- just inordinately expensive and convoluted.
> ?
> Mike
> ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> mailto:freespirit328 at gmail.com Jennifer Aberdeen
> To:
> mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
> Sent:
> Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:57 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> What if you're blind and for whatever reason, you take more than fifteen
> minutes? The door just opens for everyone to see! What idiocy!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Rhoads" < mailto:jrhoads284 at gmail.com jrhoads284 at gmail.com
>>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
>> OH...my....goodness......not only does it sound inaccessible, but creepy.
>> I
>> cannot even believe people put that much work into designing a toylet....
>>
>> Jamie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sherri" < mailto:flmom2006 at gmail.com flmom2006 at gmail.com
>>
>> To: "Multiple recipients of NFBnet Blind-Talk Mailing List"
>> < mailto:BlindTlk at nfbnet.org BlindTlk at nfbnet.org
>>; < mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:38 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
>>
>>
>> Okay, just another device that's going to be user unfriendly to the
>> blind.
>>
>> Sherri
>> Subject: Technology?
>>
>> FACILITIES REVIEW. Greetings, Earthlings.
>> Your New Restroom Is Ready.. NY Times Metropolitan Desk2008-01-11
>> By MICHAEL WILSON. When New York City's open-armed embrace
>> of tourists finally extends beyond the boundaries of Earth to creatures
>> from
>> outer
>> space, these visitors will find themselves right at home in Madison
>> Square
>> Park's
>> sleek, shiny new public toilet.
>> Indeed, the toilet calls to mind not a port-o-let, but rather the sort of
>> room one
>> imagines adjoined the personal quarters of Capt. James T. Kirk on the
>> Starship Enterprise.
>> It is a 25-cent journey to the future -- and, almost secondarily, a not
>> unpleasant
>> restroom.
>> The restroom was unveiled on Thursday, the first of 20 planned for the
>> city
>> after
>> more than 30 years of false starts and frustrations. It faces Madison
>> Avenue
>> just
>> north of 23rd Street, and at first glance looks like a bus stop shelter.
>> There are two architectural flourishes, both on the roof: a small pyramid
>> of
>> glass,
>> like a little model of the Louvre, and an anachronistic metal stovepipe,
>> reminiscent
>> of a cozy shanty or an old outhouse with a crescent moon carved into the
>> door.
>> But no one goes to a bathroom to look at it. When the green light marked
>> 'vacant'
>> is lit, 25 cents -- coins only, no bills -- starts the visit.
>> What follows is possibly the longest and most awkward 20 to 30 seconds of
>> a
>> person's
>> day. The door slips open like an elevator, but then it stays open, to
>> accomm??? odate
>> those who need extra time getting in. Meanwhile, men and women in suits
>> walk
>> past.
>> It is very difficult to look inconspicuous in a bathroom on a sidewalk in
>> New York
>> with the door open. There is just nothing to do but stand there. And the
>> delay will
>> not please those who are in distress.
>> Finally, the door closes, and the first surprise is the quiet. The walls
>> are
>> padded
>> to dampen street noise, leaving just the hum of a little fan overhead.
>> Six little lights and the skylight in the pyramid cast a neutral glow
>> over
>> the user's
>> home for the next 15 minutes, the maximum time limit.
>> This toilet, which cost more than $100,000, is very spacious, large
>> enough
>> to accommodate
>> a wheelchair. One cannot touch the side walls with arms outstretched.
>> The floor is rubber and, more strikingly, very wet, but not in a
>> bus-station-men's-room
>> way. There is an antiseptic, fresh smell to the place.
>> Sadly, these little surprises are forgotten with the first look at the
>> toilet itself,
>> an imposing, metal, cold-looking receptacle in the corner. There is no
>> little stall
>> around it, and so it looks exposed, like the facilities available in many
>> prisons.
>> It, too, is quite damp, for perfectly good reasons explained later, but
>> the
>> image
>> first evokes a dungeon or a scene from one of the 'Saw' pictures.
>> There is no seat to raise or lower, just the wide rim of the bowl, with
>> covers made
>> of tissue available in a dispenser to the side. Sitting down is a leap of
>> faith,
>> like falling backwards into a stranger's arms at a corporate
>> team-building
>> retreat.
>> Turns out, it is cold. But once settled, the visitor finds the seat the
>> perfect place
>> to take in the room's other amenities.
>> There seem to be as many buttons as on Captain Kirk's bridge. Red
>> buttons,
>> blue buttons,
>> yellow buttons, black and green buttons. The red ones near the door and
>> toilet call
>> the company for help in an emergency. The yellow calls for 'assistance,'
>> presumably
>> something less dire than an emergency, but nonetheless, a situation. Blue
>> flushes.
>> Black dispenses toilet paper. One will quickly familiarize oneself with
>> that
>> button,
>> because the designers have deigned a little 16-inch strip the standard
>> helping of
>> paper. A word to the wise: There is a maximum of just three helpings.
>> Another tip:
>> Do not tarry. A grim yellow light turns on when there are just three
>> minutes
>> remaining,
>> and after that, the door will open.
>> The sink is across the room. The big shocker here is the soap dispenser,
>> which actually
>> emits not a little squirt of soap, but a jet of warm water, with the soap
>> already
>> mixed in. Everything is motion-activated. No knobs anywhere. The warm-air
>> hand dryer
>> seems somewhat slow and weak, especially with that yellow light blinking
>> by
>> the door.
>> Assuming one finishes before the 15 minutes are up, the big green button
>> opens the
>> door. The horns and sirens and chatter of the city return, jarringly.
>> When the visitor steps out, the door shuts again, but the 'occupied'
>> light
>> stays
>> lit. Strange hisses and spraying sounds come from within -- did someone
>> slip
>> past?
>> No, actually, the room is cleaning itself. A robotic arm swings out over
>> the
>> toilet
>> bowl and hits it with disinfectant, while similar jets spray across the
>> sink
>> and
>> the floor. Then, dryers fan hot air over everything, but like the hand
>> dryer, they
>> seem to need more juice.
>> This is all taken at the designer's word, for it is impossible to see.
>> The
>> cleanup
>> cannot happen with someone in the room, with sensors below the floor to
>> detect any
>> weight.
>> After 90 seconds of cleaning, the green light outside comes back on.
>> Next?
>> . PHOTO: Three officials, Janette Sadik-Khan, Adrian Benepe, center, and
>> Daniel L.
>> Doctoroff, consider the city's new toilet. There's no seat to raise, just
>> the bowl's
>> wide rim, with covers of tissues to use. (PHOTOGRAPH BY G. PAUL
>> BURNETT/THE
>> NEW YORK
>> TIMES) .
>> Sherri
>>
>> mailto:sbrun at cfl.rr.com sbrun at cfl.rr.com
>>
>> TO DONATE YOUR USED CELL PHONE AND CHANGE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BLIND IN
>> CENTRAL FLORIDA go to:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Whether we succeed or fail in what we do is not the essential thing.
>>
>> What is important is the heart with which we live our lives.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:46:57 -0800
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20080112224657.GC17826 at bluecherry.net>
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> It sounds user unfriendly to the sighted too. *big grin*
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 10:38:05AM -0500, Sherri wrote:
>> Okay, just another device that's going to be user unfriendly to the
>> blind.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:53:20 -0800
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <20080112225320.GD17826 at bluecherry.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> And who determined that four squares of TP are sufficient, and in three
> installments anyway? *laugh*
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 02:58:32PM -0500, Kirk Harmon wrote:
>> However Mike, the question is, after touching ourselves, do we then touch
>> the buttons or after? LOL!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
>>
>>
>> > Waaaaait a minute here. Let's curb our indignation for a moment and use
>> > our noodles. What is one of the greatest complaints many (especially
>> > females) have about public restrooms? Lack of cleanliness. So
>> > everything
>> > is disinfected (whether this really works is, perhaps, another story).
>> > And we don't want people touching anything (except, of course,
>> > ourselves) so there's an incentive to have pushbuttons. And automatic
>> > doors are a consequence of those with mobility impairments asking for
>> > accessibility. Yes, the thing will probably be a pain for us, the
>> > blind.
>> > And yes, it probably costs more than it ought. But there *is*
>> > rationality behind many of the features.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:55:32 -0800
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <20080112225532.GE17826 at bluecherry.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> At least it doesn't eject you into the street with your pants down. Not
> that this would be all that unusual in New York City, by all accounts.
>
> I am having a very hard time taking this thing seriously.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote:
>> What if you're blind and for whatever reason, you take more than fifteen
>> minutes? The door just opens for everyone to see! What idiocy!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:05:08 -0600
> From: Constance Canode <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080112180433.021eae78 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> That is my question as well. Better carry some tissues in your
> pocket or purse. Oh my, this is so ridiculous.
>
> Connie Canode
> At 04:53 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote:
>>And who determined that four squares of TP are sufficient, and in three
>>installments anyway? *laugh*
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 02:58:32PM -0500, Kirk Harmon wrote:
>> > However Mike, the question is, after touching ourselves, do we then
>> > touch
>> > the buttons or after? LOL!
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] technological toilet, this is for real!
>> >
>> >
>> > > Waaaaait a minute here. Let's curb our indignation for a moment and
>> > > use
>> > > our noodles. What is one of the greatest complaints many (especially
>> > > females) have about public restrooms? Lack of cleanliness. So
>> > > everything
>> > > is disinfected (whether this really works is, perhaps, another
>> > > story).
>> > > And we don't want people touching anything (except, of course,
>> > > ourselves) so there's an incentive to have pushbuttons. And automatic
>> > > doors are a consequence of those with mobility impairments asking for
>> > > accessibility. Yes, the thing will probably be a pain for us, the
>> > > blind.
>> > > And yes, it probably costs more than it ought. But there *is*
>> > > rationality behind many of the features.
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