[Blindtlk] Looking into canes
Sean Moore
linkstarwind at cox.net
Sun Jan 6 12:40:39 CST 2008
Hey List,
I have a few research questions about some canes, I'm looking into buying. What is a good straight cane to buy out of these:
RainShine Canes
Iowa Cane
Nabaska Canes
Ooh and is there any different bwteen these models, are these models heavier, stronger, etc when going against a NFB Fiberglass or carbon fiber straight cane?
Yours,
Sean Moore
I adopted the philosophy: You can take my white cane,
when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWebSite
(Steve Jacobson)
2. Re: Fwd: Amazon press releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb
Site (David Evans)
3. Re: Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
(dewey bradley)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:41:09 -0600
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon
pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWebSite
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Again, the fact is that businesses already have to live within the scope of the law in many areas. They generally depend
upon the public to be successful and therefore they are obliged to follow laws and even guidelines. Sometimes some
thing that there are too many laws governing businesses and others feel there are not enough. As blind people, we
can't expect that the world will stand still for us. There will be changes in web page design and in software in general.
Being a small group, we are probably going to often find that we are excluded for a while from this or that new
technology. However, if we can get business to at least think about us as they design new technologies, the period
during which we are excluded will be less. If businesses think of us, at least in the backs of their minds, then they will be
able to move ahead and bring us along. What we are sometimes facing right now are situations when we were not
thought of at all. Moving from the point where we are not considered to one where we are considered requires a little
pushing sometimes, but this is really not anything that is new for businesses. I could give you a sizable list of things I
have to do on my job in the private sector to comply with government requirements that have nothing to do with being
blind but have to do with fairness in reporting sales and tracking of medical products. I happen to think these
requirements are very good, even though I get tired of the red tape sometimes. The hope is, and I believe it is not
unreasonable, that if we get into the thinking of web developers and businesses, that the cost of making software and
web sites accessible to us will be very small and bring other benefits with it as well. I think we need to sometimes be
patient with businesses, but we really don't need to feel sorry for them.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:47:28 -0800, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>I can see your point. I wouldn't want some one telling me how to run my
>business either!
>Thank you,
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of dewey bradley
>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:22 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon
>pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWebSite
>that's fine, I guess I took what you said wrong as well.
>All I was trying to say is that if I had a business, I wouldn't want people
>telling me how to run It.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at dc4pc.net>
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb
>Site
>>I wasn't trying to be mean about it. You have just as much right to
>>your opinion. That is what I was trying to say. Guess I didn't express
>>it very well.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of dewey bradley
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:56 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
>> releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>> I'm not afrade of what people think, I was just trying to say It in a
>> nice way, un like you!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at dc4pc.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release
>> ConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>>
>>> If you are afraid of what people are going to say about your
>>> message, why post it!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of dewey bradley
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>> I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers here.
>>> I do agree that the web needs to be accessible, but don't you think
>>> that peple will look at this is some one sooing private companys?
>>> It's just like the target lawsuit. what would you guys think if you
>>> had a websight, and someone was trying to tell you how to run your
>> business?
>>> It's not like we don't have a choice, the government is a different
>>> story, but with them, they have to do It.
>>> If a company don't want my business, I just take It elswhere.
>>> Why doesn't the NFB fokis on things like makeing transit companys
>>> comply with the ADA, instead of suing businesses?
>>> It's not like these companys make us give them our money.
>>> that's just my view, sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <nfb-announce at nfbnet.org>; <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>;
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>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; <blparent at nfbnet.org>;
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>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:16 PM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>> Accessibility ofWeb Site
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>>Amazon.com Accessibility to be Completed June 30, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind and online retailer Amazon,
>>>>>Inc., have announced that work to make Amazon.com fully accessible
>>>>>to blind computer users is to be completed by June 30, 2008. In
>>>>>March of 2007, Amazon entered into a technology development
>>>>>agreement with the National Federation of the Blind pursuant to
>>>>>which Amazon was to attempt to make Amazon.com fully accessible by
>December 31, 2007.
>>>>>Because of the complexity of the task, it was recognized that this
>>>>>was an ambitious goal and that problems might be encountered;
>>>>>accordingly, the agreement provided that Amazon could have a
>>>>>six-month extension, if necessary, to complete work on making its
>>>>>Web site fully accessible to blind computer users. Amazon's Web
>>>>>site has improved; nonetheless, Amazon recognizes that it is not yet
>>>>>fully accessible. Amazon has indicated that it will complete the
>>>>>task within
>> the extended period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>>said: "Full and equal access to the Internet is critical in order
>>>>>for the blind to participate fully in today's society. While
>>>>>Amazon.com is not yet fully accessible, we are pleased with the
>>>>>progress that has been made and we believe that the company remains
>>>>>committed to making the site fully accessible. We will continue to
>>>>>work with Amazon.com to ensure that the blind can shop for books,
>>>>>music, movies, and the myriad other products available at this
>>>>>leading online retailer with the same ease and convenience as all
>>>>>other
>> shoppers."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>># # #
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:03:41 -0500
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
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Dear All,
I have kept quiet about this issue up to now, but here is what I have to
say.
Access is fundamental to any service, job or business we need or thing we
have to do.
The law says that any business doing business with the Public must be
accessible.
If we did not have this law in effect, we would still have segregation going
on in this Country where a person , just because they are different than the
people running the place, count bar their entry, use and the benefit of that
service or business.
This is not fair and it is not American.
What if you could go into a store, but you were the only person not allowed
to enter a special deals back room, where you could get special deals.
Imagine if you were barred from doing what everyone else could do just
because you were different.
I have fought to protect these rights for the same people that don't want to
let me in just because I am different? No way. I would drive a darn tank
through their store and out the other side first.
We are just fighting for our rights to access a service that is offered to
the Public and the last time I looked, I was one of them.
If anyone wants to start a picket line, call me.
Down with Target and their stock.
Shop at Wall-Mart
David Evans, NFBF
----- Original Message -----
From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
> I'm not afrade of what people think, I was just trying to say It in a nice
> way, un like you!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at dc4pc.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release
> ConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>
>
>> If you are afraid of what people are going to say about your message,
>> why
>> post it!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of dewey bradley
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>> I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers here.
>> I do agree that the web needs to be accessible, but don't you think that
>> peple will look at this is some one sooing private companys?
>> It's just like the target lawsuit. what would you guys think if you had
>> a
>> websight, and someone was trying to tell you how to run your business?
>> It's not like we don't have a choice, the government is a different
>> story,
>> but with them, they have to do It.
>> If a company don't want my business, I just take It elswhere.
>> Why doesn't the NFB fokis on things like makeing transit companys comply
>> with the ADA, instead of suing businesses?
>> It's not like these companys make us give them our money.
>> that's just my view, sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>> <nfb-announce at nfbnet.org>;
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>;
>> <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>; <nosb at nfbnet.org>;
>> <promotion-technology at nfbnet.org>;
>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; <blparent at nfbnet.org>;
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>; <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:16 PM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning Accessibility
>> ofWeb
>> Site
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>Amazon.com Accessibility to be Completed June 30, 2008
>>>>
>>>>The National Federation of the Blind and online retailer Amazon, Inc.,
>>>>have announced that work to make Amazon.com fully accessible to blind
>>>>computer users is to be completed by June 30, 2008. In March of 2007,
>>>>Amazon entered into a technology development agreement with the
>>>>National Federation of the Blind pursuant to which Amazon was to
>>>>attempt to make Amazon.com fully accessible by December 31, 2007.
>>>>Because of the complexity of the task, it was recognized that this was
>>>>an ambitious goal and that problems might be encountered; accordingly,
>>>>the agreement provided that Amazon could have a six-month extension,
>>>>if necessary, to complete work on making its Web site fully accessible
>>>>to blind computer users. Amazon's Web site has improved; nonetheless,
>>>>Amazon recognizes that it is not yet fully accessible. Amazon has
>>>>indicated that it will complete the task within the extended period.
>>>>
>>>>Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>said: "Full and equal access to the Internet is critical in order for
>>>>the blind to participate fully in today's society. While Amazon.com
>>>>is not yet fully accessible, we are pleased with the progress that has
>>>>been made and we believe that the company remains committed to making
>>>>the site fully accessible. We will continue to work with Amazon.com
>>>>to ensure that the blind can shop for books, music, movies, and the
>>>>myriad other products available at this leading online retailer with
>>>>the same ease and convenience as all other shoppers."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>># # #
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>
>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:10:20 -0600
From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon
pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
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You're entitled to your opinion and I have mine.
of course I know that I'm right and I'm shore you think you are.
everyone has good points though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb
Site
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have kept quiet about this issue up to now, but here is what I have to
> say.
> Access is fundamental to any service, job or business we need or thing we
> have to do.
> The law says that any business doing business with the Public must be
> accessible.
> If we did not have this law in effect, we would still have segregation
> going
> on in this Country where a person , just because they are different than
> the
> people running the place, count bar their entry, use and the benefit of
> that
> service or business.
> This is not fair and it is not American.
> What if you could go into a store, but you were the only person not
> allowed
> to enter a special deals back room, where you could get special deals.
> Imagine if you were barred from doing what everyone else could do just
> because you were different.
> I have fought to protect these rights for the same people that don't want
> to
> let me in just because I am different? No way. I would drive a darn tank
> through their store and out the other side first.
> We are just fighting for our rights to access a service that is offered
> to
> the Public and the last time I looked, I was one of them.
> If anyone wants to start a picket line, call me.
>
> Down with Target and their stock.
> Shop at Wall-Mart
> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dewey bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
> releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>
>
>> I'm not afrade of what people think, I was just trying to say It in a
>> nice
>> way, un like you!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at dc4pc.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release
>> ConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>>
>>> If you are afraid of what people are going to say about your message,
>>> why
>>> post it!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of dewey bradley
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>> I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers here.
>>> I do agree that the web needs to be accessible, but don't you think that
>>> peple will look at this is some one sooing private companys?
>>> It's just like the target lawsuit. what would you guys think if you had
>>> a
>>> websight, and someone was trying to tell you how to run your business?
>>> It's not like we don't have a choice, the government is a different
>>> story,
>>> but with them, they have to do It.
>>> If a company don't want my business, I just take It elswhere.
>>> Why doesn't the NFB fokis on things like makeing transit companys comply
>>> with the ADA, instead of suing businesses?
>>> It's not like these companys make us give them our money.
>>> that's just my view, sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <nfb-announce at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>; <nosb at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <promotion-technology at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>; <blparent at nfbnet.org>;
>>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>; <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:16 PM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning Accessibility
>>> ofWeb
>>> Site
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>>Amazon.com Accessibility to be Completed June 30, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind and online retailer Amazon, Inc.,
>>>>>have announced that work to make Amazon.com fully accessible to blind
>>>>>computer users is to be completed by June 30, 2008. In March of 2007,
>>>>>Amazon entered into a technology development agreement with the
>>>>>National Federation of the Blind pursuant to which Amazon was to
>>>>>attempt to make Amazon.com fully accessible by December 31, 2007.
>>>>>Because of the complexity of the task, it was recognized that this was
>>>>>an ambitious goal and that problems might be encountered; accordingly,
>>>>>the agreement provided that Amazon could have a six-month extension,
>>>>>if necessary, to complete work on making its Web site fully accessible
>>>>>to blind computer users. Amazon's Web site has improved; nonetheless,
>>>>>Amazon recognizes that it is not yet fully accessible. Amazon has
>>>>>indicated that it will complete the task within the extended period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>>said: "Full and equal access to the Internet is critical in order for
>>>>>the blind to participate fully in today's society. While Amazon.com
>>>>>is not yet fully accessible, we are pleased with the progress that has
>>>>>been made and we believe that the company remains committed to making
>>>>>the site fully accessible. We will continue to work with Amazon.com
>>>>>to ensure that the blind can shop for books, music, movies, and the
>>>>>myriad other products available at this leading online retailer with
>>>>>the same ease and convenience as all other shoppers."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>># # #
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk
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Hey List,
I have a few research questions about some canes, I'm looking into buying. What is a good straight cane to buy out of these:
RainShine Canes
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Nabaska Canes
Ooh and is there any different bwteen these models, are these models heavier, stronger, etc when going against a NFB Fiberglass or carbon fiber straight cane?
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWebSite
(Steve Jacobson)
2. Re: Fwd: Amazon press releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb
Site (David Evans)
3. Re: Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
(dewey bradley)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:41:09 -0600
From: "Steve Jacobson" < mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com steve.jacobson at visi.com
>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon
pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWebSite
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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Again, the fact is that businesses already have to live within the scope of the law in many areas. They generally depend
upon the public to be successful and therefore they are obliged to follow laws and even guidelines. Sometimes some
thing that there are too many laws governing businesses and others feel there are not enough. As blind people, we
can't expect that the world will stand still for us. There will be changes in web page design and in software in general.
Being a small group, we are probably going to often find that we are excluded for a while from this or that new
technology. However, if we can get business to at least think about us as they design new technologies, the period
during which we are excluded will be less. If businesses think of us, at least in the backs of their minds, then they will be
able to move ahead and bring us along. What we are sometimes facing right now are situations when we were not
thought of at all. Moving from the point where we are not considered to one where we are considered requires a little
pushing sometimes, but this is really not anything that is new for businesses. I could give you a sizable list of things I
have to do on my job in the private sector to comply with government requirements that have nothing to do with being
blind but have to do with fairness in reporting sales and tracking of medical products. I happen to think these
requirements are very good, even though I get tired of the red tape sometimes. The hope is, and I believe it is not
unreasonable, that if we get into the thinking of web developers and businesses, that the cost of making software and
web sites accessible to us will be very small and bring other benefits with it as well. I think we need to sometimes be
patient with businesses, but we really don't need to feel sorry for them.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:47:28 -0800, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>I can see your point. I wouldn't want some one telling me how to run my
>business either!
>Thank you,
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of dewey bradley
>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:22 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon
>pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWebSite
>that's fine, I guess I took what you said wrong as well.
>All I was trying to say is that if I had a business, I wouldn't want people
>telling me how to run It.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gloria Whipple" < mailto:fairyfoot at dc4pc.net fairyfoot at dc4pc.net
>
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
>Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb
>Site
>>I wasn't trying to be mean about it. You have just as much right to
>>your opinion. That is what I was trying to say. Guess I didn't express
>>it very well.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of dewey bradley
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:56 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
>> releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>> I'm not afrade of what people think, I was just trying to say It in a
>> nice way, un like you!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gloria Whipple" < mailto:fairyfoot at dc4pc.net fairyfoot at dc4pc.net
>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release
>> ConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>>
>>> If you are afraid of what people are going to say about your
>>> message, why post it!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of dewey bradley
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>> I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers here.
>>> I do agree that the web needs to be accessible, but don't you think
>>> that peple will look at this is some one sooing private companys?
>>> It's just like the target lawsuit. what would you guys think if you
>>> had a websight, and someone was trying to tell you how to run your
>> business?
>>> It's not like we don't have a choice, the government is a different
>>> story, but with them, they have to do It.
>>> If a company don't want my business, I just take It elswhere.
>>> Why doesn't the NFB fokis on things like makeing transit companys
>>> comply with the ADA, instead of suing businesses?
>>> It's not like these companys make us give them our money.
>>> that's just my view, sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
>>> To: < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>;
>>> < mailto:nfb-announce at nfbnet.org nfb-announce at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>;
>>> < mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-web at nfbnet.org nfb-web at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>;
>>> < mailto:nosb at nfbnet.org nosb at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:promotion-technology at nfbnet.org promotion-technology at nfbnet.org
>;
>>> < mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:blparent at nfbnet.org blparent at nfbnet.org
>;
>>> < mailto:blindkid at nfbnet.org blindkid at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>;
>>> < mailto:nfb-science at nfbnet.org nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:16 PM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>> Accessibility ofWeb Site
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>>Amazon.com Accessibility to be Completed June 30, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind and online retailer Amazon,
>>>>>Inc., have announced that work to make Amazon.com fully accessible
>>>>>to blind computer users is to be completed by June 30, 2008. In
>>>>>March of 2007, Amazon entered into a technology development
>>>>>agreement with the National Federation of the Blind pursuant to
>>>>>which Amazon was to attempt to make Amazon.com fully accessible by
>December 31, 2007.
>>>>>Because of the complexity of the task, it was recognized that this
>>>>>was an ambitious goal and that problems might be encountered;
>>>>>accordingly, the agreement provided that Amazon could have a
>>>>>six-month extension, if necessary, to complete work on making its
>>>>>Web site fully accessible to blind computer users. Amazon's Web
>>>>>site has improved; nonetheless, Amazon recognizes that it is not yet
>>>>>fully accessible. Amazon has indicated that it will complete the
>>>>>task within
>> the extended period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>>said: "Full and equal access to the Internet is critical in order
>>>>>for the blind to participate fully in today's society. While
>>>>>Amazon.com is not yet fully accessible, we are pleased with the
>>>>>progress that has been made and we believe that the company remains
>>>>>committed to making the site fully accessible. We will continue to
>>>>>work with Amazon.com to ensure that the blind can shop for books,
>>>>>music, movies, and the myriad other products available at this
>>>>>leading online retailer with the same ease and convenience as all
>>>>>other
>> shoppers."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>># # #
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:03:41 -0500
From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net drevans at bellsouth.net
>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
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Dear All,
I have kept quiet about this issue up to now, but here is what I have to
say.
Access is fundamental to any service, job or business we need or thing we
have to do.
The law says that any business doing business with the Public must be
accessible.
If we did not have this law in effect, we would still have segregation going
on in this Country where a person , just because they are different than the
people running the place, count bar their entry, use and the benefit of that
service or business.
This is not fair and it is not American.
What if you could go into a store, but you were the only person not allowed
to enter a special deals back room, where you could get special deals.
Imagine if you were barred from doing what everyone else could do just
because you were different.
I have fought to protect these rights for the same people that don't want to
let me in just because I am different? No way. I would drive a darn tank
through their store and out the other side first.
We are just fighting for our rights to access a service that is offered to
the Public and the last time I looked, I was one of them.
If anyone wants to start a picket line, call me.
Down with Target and their stock.
Shop at Wall-Mart
David Evans, NFBF
----- Original Message -----
From: "dewey bradley" < mailto:dewey.bradley at att.net dewey.bradley at att.net
>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
> I'm not afrade of what people think, I was just trying to say It in a nice
> way, un like you!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Whipple" < mailto:fairyfoot at dc4pc.net fairyfoot at dc4pc.net
>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release
> ConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>
>
>> If you are afraid of what people are going to say about your message,
>> why
>> post it!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of dewey bradley
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>> I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers here.
>> I do agree that the web needs to be accessible, but don't you think that
>> peple will look at this is some one sooing private companys?
>> It's just like the target lawsuit. what would you guys think if you had
>> a
>> websight, and someone was trying to tell you how to run your business?
>> It's not like we don't have a choice, the government is a different
>> story,
>> but with them, they have to do It.
>> If a company don't want my business, I just take It elswhere.
>> Why doesn't the NFB fokis on things like makeing transit companys comply
>> with the ADA, instead of suing businesses?
>> It's not like these companys make us give them our money.
>> that's just my view, sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
>> To: < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>;
>> < mailto:nfb-announce at nfbnet.org nfb-announce at nfbnet.org
>;
>> < mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-web at nfbnet.org nfb-web at nfbnet.org
>;
>> < mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nosb at nfbnet.org nosb at nfbnet.org
>;
>> < mailto:promotion-technology at nfbnet.org promotion-technology at nfbnet.org
>;
>> < mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:gui-talk at nfbnet.org gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:blparent at nfbnet.org blparent at nfbnet.org
>;
>> < mailto:blindkid at nfbnet.org blindkid at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>; < mailto:nfb-science at nfbnet.org nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:16 PM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning Accessibility
>> ofWeb
>> Site
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>Amazon.com Accessibility to be Completed June 30, 2008
>>>>
>>>>The National Federation of the Blind and online retailer Amazon, Inc.,
>>>>have announced that work to make Amazon.com fully accessible to blind
>>>>computer users is to be completed by June 30, 2008. In March of 2007,
>>>>Amazon entered into a technology development agreement with the
>>>>National Federation of the Blind pursuant to which Amazon was to
>>>>attempt to make Amazon.com fully accessible by December 31, 2007.
>>>>Because of the complexity of the task, it was recognized that this was
>>>>an ambitious goal and that problems might be encountered; accordingly,
>>>>the agreement provided that Amazon could have a six-month extension,
>>>>if necessary, to complete work on making its Web site fully accessible
>>>>to blind computer users. Amazon's Web site has improved; nonetheless,
>>>>Amazon recognizes that it is not yet fully accessible. Amazon has
>>>>indicated that it will complete the task within the extended period.
>>>>
>>>>Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>said: "Full and equal access to the Internet is critical in order for
>>>>the blind to participate fully in today's society. While Amazon.com
>>>>is not yet fully accessible, we are pleased with the progress that has
>>>>been made and we believe that the company remains committed to making
>>>>the site fully accessible. We will continue to work with Amazon.com
>>>>to ensure that the blind can shop for books, music, movies, and the
>>>>myriad other products available at this leading online retailer with
>>>>the same ease and convenience as all other shoppers."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>># # #
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:10:20 -0600
From: "dewey bradley" < mailto:dewey.bradley at att.net dewey.bradley at att.net
>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon
pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
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You're entitled to your opinion and I have mine.
of course I know that I'm right and I'm shore you think you are.
everyone has good points though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Evans" < mailto:drevans at bellsouth.net drevans at bellsouth.net
>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb
Site
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have kept quiet about this issue up to now, but here is what I have to
> say.
> Access is fundamental to any service, job or business we need or thing we
> have to do.
> The law says that any business doing business with the Public must be
> accessible.
> If we did not have this law in effect, we would still have segregation
> going
> on in this Country where a person , just because they are different than
> the
> people running the place, count bar their entry, use and the benefit of
> that
> service or business.
> This is not fair and it is not American.
> What if you could go into a store, but you were the only person not
> allowed
> to enter a special deals back room, where you could get special deals.
> Imagine if you were barred from doing what everyone else could do just
> because you were different.
> I have fought to protect these rights for the same people that don't want
> to
> let me in just because I am different? No way. I would drive a darn tank
> through their store and out the other side first.
> We are just fighting for our rights to access a service that is offered
> to
> the Public and the last time I looked, I was one of them.
> If anyone wants to start a picket line, call me.
>
> Down with Target and their stock.
> Shop at Wall-Mart
> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dewey bradley" < mailto:dewey.bradley at att.net dewey.bradley at att.net
>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press
> releaseConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>
>
>> I'm not afrade of what people think, I was just trying to say It in a
>> nice
>> way, un like you!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gloria Whipple" < mailto:fairyfoot at dc4pc.net fairyfoot at dc4pc.net
>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release
>> ConcerningAccessibilityofWeb Site
>>
>>
>>> If you are afraid of what people are going to say about your message,
>>> why
>>> post it!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of dewey bradley
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>> I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers here.
>>> I do agree that the web needs to be accessible, but don't you think that
>>> peple will look at this is some one sooing private companys?
>>> It's just like the target lawsuit. what would you guys think if you had
>>> a
>>> websight, and someone was trying to tell you how to run your business?
>>> It's not like we don't have a choice, the government is a different
>>> story,
>>> but with them, they have to do It.
>>> If a company don't want my business, I just take It elswhere.
>>> Why doesn't the NFB fokis on things like makeing transit companys comply
>>> with the ADA, instead of suing businesses?
>>> It's not like these companys make us give them our money.
>>> that's just my view, sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" < mailto:dandrews at visi.com dandrews at visi.com
>
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>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:16 PM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning Accessibility
>>> ofWeb
>>> Site
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>>Amazon.com Accessibility to be Completed June 30, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind and online retailer Amazon, Inc.,
>>>>>have announced that work to make Amazon.com fully accessible to blind
>>>>>computer users is to be completed by June 30, 2008. In March of 2007,
>>>>>Amazon entered into a technology development agreement with the
>>>>>National Federation of the Blind pursuant to which Amazon was to
>>>>>attempt to make Amazon.com fully accessible by December 31, 2007.
>>>>>Because of the complexity of the task, it was recognized that this was
>>>>>an ambitious goal and that problems might be encountered; accordingly,
>>>>>the agreement provided that Amazon could have a six-month extension,
>>>>>if necessary, to complete work on making its Web site fully accessible
>>>>>to blind computer users. Amazon's Web site has improved; nonetheless,
>>>>>Amazon recognizes that it is not yet fully accessible. Amazon has
>>>>>indicated that it will complete the task within the extended period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>>said: "Full and equal access to the Internet is critical in order for
>>>>>the blind to participate fully in today's society. While Amazon.com
>>>>>is not yet fully accessible, we are pleased with the progress that has
>>>>>been made and we believe that the company remains committed to making
>>>>>the site fully accessible. We will continue to work with Amazon.com
>>>>>to ensure that the blind can shop for books, music, movies, and the
>>>>>myriad other products available at this leading online retailer with
>>>>>the same ease and convenience as all other shoppers."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>># # #
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>>
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