[Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10
Thomas j Vos
optasiaministry at juno.com
Tue Apr 8 07:01:51 CDT 2008
I don't think there is a way of getting a cheap copy of JAWS unless
someone buys it for you.
Getting the software is easy, but you have to authorize it online before
it can be used without the interuption of running out of demo mode.
Perhaps there will be some assistance from your department for the blind.
Blessings,
Tom
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> From: "Sean Moore" <linkstarwind at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Air travel tips/ JAWS
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> Hmm more helpful stuff. Cool thanks again.
>
> Ooh any one know where I can get a cheaper copy of JAWS for Window
> Vista? I've been using Minute Demo and its driving me I can't use
> te PC well and ZoomText and NVDA isn't cutting it any more for me
> lately.
>
> Yours,
> Sean Moore
>
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> 1. Re: Subject: Re: Air travel tips (Julie J.)
> 2. Re: Subject: Re: Air travel tips (T. Joseph Carter)
> 3. Re: Subject: Re: Air travel tips (Julie J.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:50:54 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
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> You are very welcome! My best advice is to figure out what help
> you want,
> if any, and ask for what you want very specifically. If you need
> directions
> then ask specific questions like, "what gate is this?" or "could
> you tell me
> if United flight 1234 is still scheduled to leave gate 14 at
> 1:30?" You
> will get the information/help you want with minimal problems. If
> you feel
> that what you need is for an employee to assist you then ask for
> that.
> But don't feel like you have to do what everyone else does or that
> there is
> just one way to manage the situation effectively. Do what is
> right for you.
>
> Here's my understanding about the airline rules in regard to
> canes. If I am
> incorrect here please someone clarify. thanks!
> At the security checkpoint, they will need to scan your cane, but
> you should
> immediately get it back. You should not have to go anywhere
> without your
> cane.
> Once on the plane your cane should remain with you, out of the way
> of the
> aisle.
>
> Like someone else suggested, having all the information you can
> in an
> accessible format ahead of time is a very good idea.
>
> If you are flying into DFW airport once you get off the plane, you
> just go
> straight ahead to pick up your bags from the carousel. then
> continue
> further straight ahead to the exit doors. There are a variety of
> shuttles
> and cabs at the curb. the hotel where the convention is held has
> a shuttle
> that costs something like $20. I have no idea how much a cab is,
> but I
> would venture a guess that it is more than $20. If you are flying
> in on the
> 28th you are likely to find many, many other blind people at the
> airport
> also headed to the convention.
>
> I hope to see you there!
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Moore" <linkstarwind at cox.net>
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:40 AM
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
>
>
> Yes its my first flying, on my own 'as a blind person', before I
> used the
> cane. Really I want as much tips as I can get, to know how to
> handle stuff.
> I've heard to may 'horror story' about airtravel from my friends
> who fly
> alot.
>
> Oh any tips on how to deal with my mom? She keeps saying "Oh get
> help TO and
> FROM the plane, you know you can't find a taxi when you et the to
> front."
> Etc.
>
> Again thanks
> Julie and all.
>
> Yours,
> Sean Moore
>
> Contact information
> Cell: (478) 258-4103
> E-Mail: linkstarwind at cox.net
>
> WebSite: Http://BaltoX1.bravehost.com
>
> Messengers
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> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:44:25 -0700
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <20080407154425.GA26911 at bluecherry.net>
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>
> Julie,
>
> Regarding canes.. The rules combine in odd ways. They need to
> x-ray a
> rigid cane (but not necessarily a folding or telescopic cane),
> they cannot
> pass anything back to you outside the checkpoint, and you cannot
> be
> expected to go anywhere without your cane.
>
> One of these things has got to give. If your cane crosses the
> checkpoint
> without you, either you must get through the checkpoint without it
> or they
> must send it past the checkpoint the other direction. I simply
> will not
> accept being manhandled like a piece of luggage, so the cane must
> be
> returned to me before I cross the checkpoint. I generally must
> explain
> this to them every time I'm at the airport--politely of course.
>
> I unfortunately cannot attend convention this year. I have three
> six-week
> summer courses happening at the same time. It just cannot be
> reasonably
> done. The person who decided to cram 11 week courses into 6
> should be
> shot IMO. The need to take these courses over the summer at the
> only
> times they are offered took me out of the running for an NFB
> scholarship
> for the second year in a row. *frown* Of course this is only an
> irritant
> because I've got just enough ego to believe I would've been likely
> to
> actually win one, and because I enjoyed the 2006 convention.
> *grin*
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:50:54AM -0500, Julie J. wrote:
> > You are very welcome! My best advice is to figure out what help
> you want,
> > if any, and ask for what you want very specifically. If you
> need directions
> > then ask specific questions like, "what gate is this?" or "could
> you tell me
> > if United flight 1234 is still scheduled to leave gate 14 at
> 1:30?" You
> > will get the information/help you want with minimal problems. If
> you feel
> > that what you need is for an employee to assist you then ask
> for that.
> > But don't feel like you have to do what everyone else does or
> that there is
> > just one way to manage the situation effectively. Do what is
> right for you.
> >
> > Here's my understanding about the airline rules in regard to
> canes. If I am
> > incorrect here please someone clarify. thanks!
> > At the security checkpoint, they will need to scan your cane,
> but you should
> > immediately get it back. You should not have to go anywhere
> without your
> > cane.
> > Once on the plane your cane should remain with you, out of the
> way of the
> > aisle.
> >
> > Like someone else suggested, having all the information you can
> in an
> > accessible format ahead of time is a very good idea.
> >
> > If you are flying into DFW airport once you get off the plane,
> you just go
> > straight ahead to pick up your bags from the carousel. then
> continue
> > further straight ahead to the exit doors. There are a variety
> of shuttles
> > and cabs at the curb. the hotel where the convention is held
> has a shuttle
> > that costs something like $20. I have no idea how much a cab
> is, but I
> > would venture a guess that it is more than $20. If you are
> flying in on the
> > 28th you are likely to find many, many other blind people at the
> airport
> > also headed to the convention.
> >
> > I hope to see you there!
> >
> > Julie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:11:13 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Hmmm...Well, why does that not surprise me? LOL
>
> My experience with my rigid cane has been that they run it
> through the
> conveyor belt thing, where your purse, shoes and other junk goes,
> and then
> they hand it back to me. I proceed through metal detector with
> cane in
> hand. So I guess they are violating their rule about passing
> things
> backwards through security.
>
> I have this thing about being separated from my cane and this
> experience I
> have had through security has been fine by me. they need to
> ensure that
> passengers are not smuggling stuff they shouldn't on the plane.
> I'm not
> delusional enough to think that a blind person is exempt from
> illegal
> activity or that terrorist couldn't fake being blind in order to
> get illegal
> stuff on the plane.
>
> Overall I've had mainly very good experiences flying. There have
> been a
> couple of times things didn't go so well, but I straightened that
> out and
> learned from my mistakes. *smile*
>
> Have fun with summer classes. I took a few of those and you are
> right,
> whoever thought that sitting in class for 3 to 4 hours per day and
> then
> going home to do a couple more hours of study/homework is a good
> idea has
> some serious issues. LOL
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
>
>
> > Julie,
> >
> > Regarding canes.. The rules combine in odd ways. They need to
> x-ray a
> > rigid cane (but not necessarily a folding or telescopic cane),
> they cannot
> > pass anything back to you outside the checkpoint, and you cannot
> be
> > expected to go anywhere without your cane.
> >
> > One of these things has got to give. If your cane crosses the
> checkpoint
> > without you, either you must get through the checkpoint without
> it or they
> > must send it past the checkpoint the other direction. I simply
> will not
> > accept being manhandled like a piece of luggage, so the cane
> must be
> > returned to me before I cross the checkpoint. I generally must
> explain
> > this to them every time I'm at the airport--politely of course.
> >
> > I unfortunately cannot attend convention this year. I have
> three six-week
> > summer courses happening at the same time. It just cannot be
> reasonably
> > done. The person who decided to cram 11 week courses into 6
> should be
> > shot IMO. The need to take these courses over the summer at the
> only
> > times they are offered took me out of the running for an NFB
> scholarship
> > for the second year in a row. *frown* Of course this is only
> an irritant
> > because I've got just enough ego to believe I would've been
> likely to
> > actually win one, and because I enjoyed the 2006 convention.
> *grin*
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:50:54AM -0500, Julie J. wrote:
> >> You are very welcome! My best advice is to figure out what
> help you
> >> want,
> >> if any, and ask for what you want very specifically. If you
> need
> >> directions
> >> then ask specific questions like, "what gate is this?" or
> "could you tell
> >> me
> >> if United flight 1234 is still scheduled to leave gate 14 at
> 1:30?" You
> >> will get the information/help you want with minimal problems.
> If you feel
> >> that what you need is for an employee to assist you then ask
> for that.
> >> But don't feel like you have to do what everyone else does or
> that there
> >> is
> >> just one way to manage the situation effectively. Do what is
> right for
> >> you.
> >>
> >> Here's my understanding about the airline rules in regard to
> canes. If I
> >> am
> >> incorrect here please someone clarify. thanks!
> >> At the security checkpoint, they will need to scan your cane,
> but you
> >> should
> >> immediately get it back. You should not have to go anywhere
> without
> >> your
> >> cane.
> >> Once on the plane your cane should remain with you, out of the
> way of the
> >> aisle.
> >>
> >> Like someone else suggested, having all the information you
> can in an
> >> accessible format ahead of time is a very good idea.
> >>
> >> If you are flying into DFW airport once you get off the plane,
> you just
> >> go
> >> straight ahead to pick up your bags from the carousel. then
> continue
> >> further straight ahead to the exit doors. There are a variety
> of
> >> shuttles
> >> and cabs at the curb. the hotel where the convention is held
> has a
> >> shuttle
> >> that costs something like $20. I have no idea how much a cab
> is, but I
> >> would venture a guess that it is more than $20. If you are
> flying in on
> >> the
> >> 28th you are likely to find many, many other blind people at
> the airport
> >> also headed to the convention.
> >>
> >> I hope to see you there!
> >>
> >> Julie
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> Hmm more helpful stuff. Cool thanks again.
> ?
> Ooh any one know where I can get a cheaper copy of JAWS for Window
> Vista? I've been using? Minute Demo and its driving me I can't use
> te PC well and ZoomText and NVDA isn't cutting it any more for me
> lately.
> ?
> Yours,
> Sean Moore
> ?
> Contact information
> Cell: (478) 258-4103
> E-Mail: mailto:linkstarwind at cox.net linkstarwind at cox.net
> ?
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> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:50:54 -0500
> From: "Julie J." < mailto:jlcrane at alltel.net jlcrane at alltel.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re:? Air travel tips
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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> You are very welcome!? My best advice is to figure out what help you
> want,
> if any, and ask for what you want very specifically.? If you need
> directions
> then ask specific questions like, "what gate is this?" or "could you
> tell me
> if United flight 1234 is still scheduled to leave gate 14 at 1:30?"?
> You
> will get the information/help you want with minimal problems. If you
> feel
> that what you need is for an employee to assist you? then ask for
> that.
> But don't feel like you have to do what everyone else does or that
> there is
> just one way to manage the situation effectively.? Do what is right
> for you.
> Here's my understanding about the airline rules in regard to canes.?
> If I am
> incorrect here please someone clarify.? thanks!
> At the security checkpoint, they will need to scan your cane, but
> you should
> immediately get it back.?? You should not have to go anywhere
> without your
> cane.
> Once on the plane your cane should remain with you, out of the way
> of the
> aisle.
> Like someone else suggested, having all the information? you can in
> an
> accessible format ahead of time? is a very good idea.
> If you are flying into DFW airport once you get off the plane, you
> just go
> straight ahead to pick up your bags from the carousel.? then
> continue
> further straight ahead to the exit doors.? There are a variety of
> shuttles
> and cabs at the curb.? the hotel where the convention is held has a
> shuttle
> that costs something like $20.? I have no idea how much a cab is,
> but I
> would venture a guess that it is more than $20.? If you are flying
> in on the
> 28th you are likely to find many, many other blind people at the
> airport
> also headed to the convention.
> I hope to see you there!
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Moore" < mailto:linkstarwind at cox.net
> linkstarwind at cox.net
> >
> To: < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:40 AM
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
> Yes its my first flying, on my own 'as a blind person', before I
> used the
> cane. Really I want as much tips as I can get, to know how to handle
> stuff.
> I've heard to may 'horror story' about airtravel from my friends who
> fly
> alot.
> Oh any tips on how to deal with my mom? She keeps saying "Oh get
> help TO and
> FROM the plane, you know you can't find a taxi when you et the to
> front."
> Etc.
> Again thanks
> Julie and all.
> Yours,
> Sean Moore
> Contact information
> Cell: (478) 258-4103
> E-Mail: mailto:linkstarwind at cox.net linkstarwind at cox.net
> WebSite: http://BaltoX1.bravehost.com Http://BaltoX1.bravehost.com
> Messengers
> AIM: BaltoX1
> Yahoo: Ginsenshi2001
> MSN: mailto:linkstarwind at cox.net linkstarwind at cox.net
> Skype: Ginsenshi
> MySpaceIM: mailto:linkstarwind at cox.net linkstarwind at cox.net
> [Ginsenshi]
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> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:44:25 -0700
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" < mailto:tjosephcarter at gmail.com
> tjosephcarter at gmail.com
> >
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re:? Air travel tips
> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >
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> Julie,
> Regarding canes..? The rules combine in odd ways.? They need to
> x-ray a
> rigid cane (but not necessarily a folding or telescopic cane), they
> cannot
> pass anything back to you outside the checkpoint, and you cannot be
> expected to go anywhere without your cane.
> One of these things has got to give.? If your cane crosses the
> checkpoint
> without you, either you must get through the checkpoint without it
> or they
> must send it past the checkpoint the other direction.? I simply will
> not
> accept being manhandled like a piece of luggage, so the cane must
> be
> returned to me before I cross the checkpoint.? I generally must
> explain
> this to them every time I'm at the airport--politely of course.
> I unfortunately cannot attend convention this year.? I have three
> six-week
> summer courses happening at the same time.? It just cannot be
> reasonably
> done.? The person who decided to cram 11 week courses into 6 should
> be
> shot IMO.? The need to take these courses over the summer at the
> only
> times they are offered took me out of the running for an NFB
> scholarship
> for the second year in a row.? *frown*? Of course this is only an
> irritant
> because I've got just enough ego to believe I would've been likely
> to
> actually win one, and because I enjoyed the 2006 convention.?
> *grin*
> Joseph
> On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:50:54AM -0500, Julie J. wrote:
> > You are very welcome!? My best advice is to figure out what help
> you want,
> > if any, and ask for what you want very specifically.? If you need
> directions
> > then ask specific questions like, "what gate is this?" or "could
> you tell me
> > if United flight 1234 is still scheduled to leave gate 14 at
> 1:30?"? You
> > will get the information/help you want with minimal problems. If
> you feel
> > that what you need is for an employee to assist you? then ask for
> that.
> > But don't feel like you have to do what everyone else does or that
> there is
> > just one way to manage the situation effectively.? Do what is
> right for you.
> >
> > Here's my understanding about the airline rules in regard to
> canes.? If I am
> > incorrect here please someone clarify.? thanks!
> > At the security checkpoint, they will need to scan your cane, but
> you should
> > immediately get it back.?? You should not have to go anywhere
> without your
> > cane.
> > Once on the plane your cane should remain with you, out of the way
> of the
> > aisle.
> >
> > Like someone else suggested, having all the information? you can
> in an
> > accessible format ahead of time? is a very good idea.
> >
> > If you are flying into DFW airport once you get off the plane, you
> just go
> > straight ahead to pick up your bags from the carousel.? then
> continue
> > further straight ahead to the exit doors.? There are a variety of
> shuttles
> > and cabs at the curb.? the hotel where the convention is held has
> a shuttle
> > that costs something like $20.? I have no idea how much a cab is,
> but I
> > would venture a guess that it is more than $20.? If you are flying
> in on the
> > 28th you are likely to find many, many other blind people at the
> airport
> > also headed to the convention.
> >
> > I hope to see you there!
> >
> > Julie
> ------------------------------
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:11:13 -0500
> From: "Julie J." < mailto:jlcrane at alltel.net jlcrane at alltel.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re:? Air travel tips
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >
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> 005501c898ca$008ff7f0$01fea8c0 at your07cc84feb2
> >
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> Hmmm...Well, why does that not surprise me?? LOL
> My experience with my rigid cane? has been that they run it through
> the
> conveyor belt thing, where your purse, shoes and other junk goes,
> and then
> they hand it back to me.? I proceed through metal detector with cane
> in
> hand.? So I guess they are violating their rule about passing
> things
> backwards through security.
> I have this thing about being separated from my cane and? this
> experience I
> have had through security has been fine by me.? they need to? ensure
> that
> passengers are not smuggling stuff they shouldn't on the plane.? I'm
> not
> delusional enough to think that a blind person is exempt from
> illegal
> activity or that terrorist couldn't fake being blind in order to get
> illegal
> stuff on the plane.
> Overall I've had mainly very good experiences flying.? There have
> been a
> couple of times things didn't go so well, but I straightened that
> out and
> learned from my mistakes.?? *smile*
> Have fun with summer classes.? I took a few of those and you are
> right,
> whoever thought that sitting in class for 3 to 4 hours per day and
> then
> going home to do a couple more hours of study/homework is a good
> idea has
> some serious issues. LOL
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" < mailto:tjosephcarter at gmail.com
> tjosephcarter at gmail.com
> >
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" < mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Subject: Re: Air travel tips
> > Julie,
> >
> > Regarding canes..? The rules combine in odd ways.? They need to
> x-ray a
> > rigid cane (but not necessarily a folding or telescopic cane), they
> cannot
> > pass anything back to you outside the checkpoint, and you cannot
> be
> > expected to go anywhere without your cane.
> >
> > One of these things has got to give.? If your cane crosses the
> checkpoint
> > without you, either you must get through the checkpoint without it
> or they
> > must send it past the checkpoint the other direction.? I simply
> will not
> > accept being manhandled like a piece of luggage, so the cane must
> be
> > returned to me before I cross the checkpoint.? I generally must
> explain
> > this to them every time I'm at the airport--politely of course.
> >
> > I unfortunately cannot attend convention this year.? I have three
> six-week
> > summer courses happening at the same time.? It just cannot be
> reasonably
> > done.? The person who decided to cram 11 week courses into 6
> should be
> > shot IMO.? The need to take these courses over the summer at the
> only
> > times they are offered took me out of the running for an NFB
> scholarship
> > for the second year in a row.? *frown*? Of course this is only an
> irritant
> > because I've got just enough ego to believe I would've been likely
> to
> > actually win one, and because I enjoyed the 2006 convention.?
> *grin*
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:50:54AM -0500, Julie J. wrote:
> >> You are very welcome!? My best advice is to figure out what help
> you
> >> want,
> >> if any, and ask for what you want very specifically.? If you
> need
> >> directions
> >> then ask specific questions like, "what gate is this?" or "could
> you tell
> >> me
> >> if United flight 1234 is still scheduled to leave gate 14 at
> 1:30?"? You
> >> will get the information/help you want with minimal problems. If
> you feel
> >> that what you need is for an employee to assist you? then ask for
> that.
> >> But don't feel like you have to do what everyone else does or
> that there
> >> is
> >> just one way to manage the situation effectively.? Do what is
> right for
> >> you.
> >>
> >> Here's my understanding about the airline rules in regard to
> canes.? If I
> >> am
> >> incorrect here please someone clarify.? thanks!
> >> At the security checkpoint, they will need to scan your cane, but
> you
> >> should
> >> immediately get it back.?? You should not have to go anywhere
> without
> >> your
> >> cane.
> >> Once on the plane your cane should remain with you, out of the
> way of the
> >> aisle.
> >>
> >> Like someone else suggested, having all the information? you can
> in an
> >> accessible format ahead of time? is a very good idea.
> >>
> >> If you are flying into DFW airport once you get off the plane,
> you just
> >> go
> >> straight ahead to pick up your bags from the carousel.? then
> continue
> >> further straight ahead to the exit doors.? There are a variety
> of
> >> shuttles
> >> and cabs at the curb.? the hotel where the convention is held has
> a
> >> shuttle
> >> that costs something like $20.? I have no idea how much a cab is,
> but I
> >> would venture a guess that it is more than $20.? If you are
> flying in on
> >> the
> >> 28th you are likely to find many, many other blind people at the
> airport
> >> also headed to the convention.
> >>
> >> I hope to see you there!
> >>
> >> Julie
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