[Blindtlk] FNC Alert

Thu Nov 30 05:27:32 CST 2006

I caught that in the resolution text you posted and it all began to make
sense.  If it seems like I'm flip-flopping folks, bear in mind I had a sucky
morning yesterday, and my mood may have colored my responses. *SMILE*

As I said elsewhere, sleep does wonders, and I'm getting things today that I
didn't yesterday.

Alan Wheeler
awheeler at neb.rr.com or alan_wheeler at neb.rr.com
redwheel1 on skype
http://alan-wheeler.blogspot.com/
"Tell the people the truth and the country will be free"
  --Abraham Lincoln

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:19 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FNC Alert

Allen:

The suit was filed alleging Section 504 violations. If, on apeal, the suit
is dismissed, it could simply be a dismissal of the specific contentions. 
However, a judge or panel of judges could rule that Section 504 has been
construed too broadly so that, for example, the rules determining what
constitutes discriminatory treatment in Federally-funded programs could be
tightened or the standards to prove discriminatory treatment could be
tightened as we have repeatedly seen with respect to the ADA. And all this
would have occurred inadvertently and we would end up with a "cure" worse
than the "disease". Lawsuits are very definitely not always the best option,
especially in a case such as this which, I am almost certain, will be lost
on appeal.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FNC Alert

Mike,
I admit to being confused.  How will this compromise 504 and ADA rights?
Just curious.

Alan Wheeler
awheeler at neb.rr.com or alan_wheeler at neb.rr.com
redwheel1 on skype
http://alan-wheeler.blogspot.com/
"Tell the people the truth and the country will be free"
  --Abraham Lincoln

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:36 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FNC Alert

Dave:

I agree with the nature of your -- and our -- problem.

But I do think it's worth fighting for two reasons: first, it won't solve
the problem in that I believe tactile features could more easily be
counterfeited than the present currency is and so we'd *still* have to check
currency with a money identifier or sighted person. Hence, much time, money
and effort would have been spent to stand still. Second, with more and more
transactions being done via debit or credit card, are we to then demand that
all credit card slips and receipts be embossed in braille? That's where an
application of logic similar to that propounded in this currency suit will
lead. The road of "if the sighted have it; we should have it" is a
never-ending one in that it won't end until we are sighted.

Finally (I guess I should have said "three reasons"), I believe this could
end up with a blacklash in the courts that could jeopardize some of our
legitimate 504 and ADA victories. It will be another case of ACB shooting
the hybernating bear with an arrow!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] FNC Alert

A couple of things occur to me as I read this thread. Back in the day,
we had a national board member who was well regarded in the organization
named E. U. Parker. Many years at convention, E. U. would put up a
resolution about Braille money. Each year it wouldn't get any support,
and he'd withdraw it. Then, we resisted it, I believe, because it was
"something special" for blind people. Most countries didn't do anything
special about their money, and we were the norm, bills the same size
etc.

Move forward thirty years, and we, the U.S. are the hold outs. The world
has changed, and everyone else is making money different, not for blind
people, but for everyone else. The fact that it helps blind folks is
only a serendipitous benefit. So, here's the question. Is it worth
fighting? I believe that we are seeing a rock rolling down hill, and
it's going to happen eventually.

Finally, I believe that our real problem isn't the size, shape, color
and texture of money. I just think that I need to collect a large enough
sample of world money to be able to study it at length during my long,
luxurious retirement. Please send samples for my collection.

        Dave Hyde, Professional Development Coordinator
Wisconsin Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1700 W. State Street
Janesville, WI  53546
telephone:  608.758.6152;
Toll-Free: 866.284.1106 Extension 34
Cell"  608.751.0960
Email:  david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us

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