[Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

Wed Nov 29 19:05:40 CST 2006

Admittedly, Ray, it was mostly sighted persons who messed up -- even more 
with the Susan B. Anthony dollar. But both were thicker and so I never had 
any problem.

Agreed on the cashiers' problem. (grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:38 PM
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I didn't confuse them with quarters at all.  How can they be so confused
when for one thing, the dollar coin is larger than a quarter and for
another, the edges of the coin are smooth unlike a  quarter.  Mike, the
reason cashiers cannot make change anymore is because their mommies and
daddies didn't teach them either how to tell apart their money or to count.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:29 PM
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I should think that a simple difference in length wouldn't be enough.
Remember how many people confused Sakajaweea dollars with quarters?

And I get tired of cashiers who can't even *make* change!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:14 PM
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Okay, pardon the pun here, but I do see both sides of the coin.  I just get
tired of having to ask the quick-e-mart cashier "Um, is this a five or a
ten, and are these singles?" Know what I mean?  If a five dollar bill is 2
inches longer than a single, and a 10 dollar bill an inch longer than that,
and so on, is there really something all that wrong with that idea?

I wouldn't, as a result expect braille statements/receipts, either.  I don't
necessarily think it's the only logical conclusion that can be drawn.

As for the counterfeiting issue, is there really *THAT* much counterfeiting
as to make it one of the main reasons to discount this idea?

I understand the vendors/ATM manufacturers point of view, but it would have
to be seen as an accomodation, and again, I don't see how it conflicts with
ADA/504, but then again, I don't know/understand a lot of the details of
this kind of thing, and their may be ramifications involved that I couldn't
comprehend until they were spelled out in detail.

So, as much as anything, I am simultaneously stating that I am thinking out
loud *AND* admitting I may be ignorant of the more subtle nuances of the
effects on the ADA, etc. *SMILE*

So, I'm not just trying to argue...just trying to get to the root of things
I admit I may not comprehend.

Alan Wheeler
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http://alan-wheeler.blogspot.com/
"Tell the people the truth and the country will be free"
  --Abraham Lincoln

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

Diane:

No, I am not elated. Computers are a great boon. But they're also colossal
time-wasters and,for some of us, have made some aspects of our lives *less*
independent than they were when we used readers. But computers are a fact of
life. And it is also a fact of life that we're *always* going to need some
help. All we're arguing about is the nature of that help.

I grant you that there is cheating in the world. I doubt, however, that
having so-called "accessible" currency would make much difference in this. I
think I've been cheated maybe three times in fifty years and one of these
was probably my fault. I don't think that statistic would change much with
altered currency.

Moreover, with more and more transactions being handled by credit and debit
cards, are we next going to demand that all receipts and credit card slips
be embossed in braille? That's the logical extension of this accessible
currency nonsense.

In fact, I *want* my bills all to be the same size. If I want to fold them,
I do but having many-sized bills would be a colossal nuisance. Not to
mention that money talks and the vending machine industry carries far more
weight than do we, the blind. Ask some of our blind merchants and you'll
find near-universal opposition to the ACB lawsuit and the present ruling.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.in.gov>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:03 AM
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Good Morning To All,

My viewpoint is pretty much in line with yours Sherri.  I mean, PLEASE
do not get me wrong.  We have MANY much more important issues in need of
attention from our legislators and legal system than this one.

I too have a method of folding my money, and it generally has proven to
be quite effective.  For many years I didn't even fold it.  What I would
do is keep the larger bills on the outside of the role or stack of bills
and the smaller ones in the middle, and then just remember what I had.
But alas, I am growing older, and my memory is growing weaker.  So
several years ago I began to fold the bills for identification purposes.

But, it is a fact that, in order to get our money folded in the first
place we do have to depend on the honesty/accuracy of a merchant, a bank
teller, a family member and so on.  That is, if we don't' have that $400
identifier.  Most of the time this method of initial identification
works fine, but I have been known to be on the other side of that coin.
It doesn't happen regularly or often, but it has happened.

Like Sherri, I don't spend a great deal of time fretting about this
issue, but the rest of the world is going to a completely tactilely
identifiable monitory system, and I don't see why we need to be
different just to prove that there are alternative techniques.

After all, progress is progress.  I mean, prior to the days of
wide-spread computer use, and scanners and Kurzweil and the whole bit,
blind people hired and used readers and sometimes had to call on others
to proof read there typed work and so on.  This worked out fine for them
then.  It was an alternative technique and it worked well.  But would
you rather have stayed back there?  Aren't you thankful, glad and
elated, that you can now take care of your bills, mail and other
business totally independently for the most part?

I know I am.  The alternative techniques worked fine for their time, but
I for one, am grateful to be increasingly more independent of sighted
assistance.

And now we even have the Kurzweil/NFB handheld reader which will
increase that independence even more as it can be carried with us.  I
can't wait to get my hands on one of those.  I am folding my money and
putting it away (when I can) in anticipation of that grand purchase.

I do understand that it seems absurd to spend time on the little things
when there are so many major problems, but don't knock progress guys!
Every little piece of independence we achieve is precious.  At least it
is to me.

Diane Graves
Civil Rights Specialist
Indiana Civil Rights Commission
Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
317-232-2647

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Sherri
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

This is probably an unpopular viewpoint and though I manage pretty well
without it and am much more concerned about obtaining more money than I
am
about having some tactile way to tell bills apart other than folding, I
guess I don't understand why we don't just catch up with the rest of the

world and make our money identifiable? If we have to change it anyway
because of counterfeit bills, why not just make the other changes too?
However, I don't stay up nights thinking about this issue. Really, it
isn't
that important in the scheme of things. (smile)

Sherri

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