[Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

[Judy Jones]

Yes, we really like it; I know it's in other parts of the country but am not 
sure where.

Judy

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From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert


> Wamu (Washington Mutual) is an awesome bank...wish they were in Nebraska.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm with Washington Mutual, and they are very accessible and have branches
> in different areas and locales.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>
>
>> Can't argue with that; but, there's no Bank of America branch near hear.
>> Anyhow, my new Chase account is open now and I'll be able to move the 
>> rest
>> of the balance over very soon.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
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>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
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>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen1 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> Bank of America is also very accessible.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>>> Uh, well Diane, you should be able to find a Chase branch where you 
>>> live.
>>> I
>>> don't intend to sound like a commercial here, but, if you go to:
>>> www.chase.com
>>> and click "Accessibility" link, you'd see on that page that there's a
>>> locater link which will take you to a form you can fill out to find the
>>> branch nearest you.  You don't get the $100.00 bonus though; unless you
>>> get
>>> the offer through the mail.
>>>
>>> well hey, two out of three aint bad.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>> Ray
>>> Home phone and fax:
>>> (985)853-0139
>>> E-mail:
>>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
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>>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>>
>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>> God bless our troops!
>>> and God bless America
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.in.gov>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Again,
>>>
>>> I think this is great Ray.  I would make the move.  In fact, maybe I'll
>>> just have to pack up and move on down there to Louisiana and set up an
>>> account there too. (LOL)  Seriously that sounds like a good move to me.
>>>
>>> I get my light bills and gas bills and phone bills in Braille.  If my
>>> bank did Braille bank statements, I would get one of those too.
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean come on guys we are not accepting charity donations here.  We are
>>> equals.  If the technology is there to do it why shouldn't we get the
>>> important documents in a format that is most accessible to us.
>>>
>>> All of these thing mentioned serve to make us more independent, not the
>>> other way around.
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."--Winston
>>> Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:00 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>>
>>>
>>> Wait!  Do you mean to tell me that the ADA requires bus drivers to
>>> announce
>>> at each major stop?  This I did not know.
>>>
>>>    As I was shaving just now, your message came back to me with a bit
>>> of a
>>> question.  Let me explain.  ON this coming Friday, I'm going to open an
>>> account at Chase bank.  I'm doing this not just for the free $100.00
>>> they
>>> offered me, I'm doing it for the accaccessibility; Braille bank
>>> statements,
>>> talking ATMs' and the fact that they check their site using both JAWS
>>> and
>>> Window-Eyes.  Now, I can just hear you saying, "Wait a second here.  You
>>> say
>>> you don't like the change in the money thing; yet, you switch banks for
>>> reasons of greater accessibility?  What's up with that?  Haven't you
>>> been
>>> banking successfully all these years at your current bank (which does
>>> not
>>> have and may never have Braille bank statements or talking ATMS'?
>>> Doesn't
>>> that make you inconsistent?"
>>>
>>>    My answer is yes, I have been dealing successfully with my current
>>> bank
>>> since late 1999 without either Braille bank statements or talking ATMS'.
>>>
>>> So, if that's the case, how come the switch?  In the final analysis, it
>>> comes right down to what you yourself said earlier; "more independence.
>>> Ah,
>>> but, the question again.  Why not just keep my account over at Whitney
>>> rather than go through all that switching?  After all, you get along
>>> pretty
>>> well with things as they are.  So, again, the question.  Why switch?
>>> Once
>>> again, your original answer, plus one other thing.
>>> independence+privacy.  I
>>> think we would all agree that a Braille bank statement is much more
>>> private
>>> than even a statement scanned via OCR.  Mostly, I think, because with
>>> the
>>> Braille, at least I can understand it.  Print bank statements (at least
>>> in
>>> my experience) tend not to scan so accurately.  For the record, I've
>>> tried
>>> using Text Cloner Pro and Omnipage SE.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>> Ray
>>> Home phone and fax:
>>> (985)853-0139
>>> E-mail:
>>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> Blog:
>>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>>
>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>> God bless our troops!
>>> and God bless America
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.IN.gov>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>>
>>>
>>> HI,
>>>
>>> I understand what you are saying Ray.  I don't' want anyone feeling
>>> sorry for me either. (At least, not as a result of blindness  LOL.) I do
>>> want to be as absolutely independent of sighted assistance and as much
>>> on an equal footing as I can be. The way I see it currency that I can
>>> identify completely devoid of sighted assistance will be another small
>>> step in this direction.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately you will always have the "poor me" blind folks, and the
>>> "whatever you do or say is amazing Honey" sighted folks.  Believe me,
>>> they make my skin crawl too.
>>>
>>> But it really is a matter of perspective.  This step up could really
>>> provide us with more independence and greater security.  As I say, I do
>>> have much bigger band wagons to jump on, and the alternative techniques
>>> that I have employed are working fine for me now, but I don't' want to
>>> stand in the way of progress either.
>>>
>>> In an apparently similar situation, we have been having a time for the
>>> last several years here in Indianapolis, with getting the city bus
>>> drivers to announce the major bus stops as required under the ADA.  They
>>> simply do not want to do it, and the company refuses to take any action
>>> to enforce it. I think we may be looking at a class action suit before
>>> it is all over.
>>>
>>> Now we are not fighting for this because we are "poor blind people" who
>>> need to be taken care of.  Quite the contrary. We are fighting for this
>>> because we are blind people who want to be in control of when and where
>>> we disembark from the bus, and not at the mercy of some driver who
>>> "forgets" because he/she is overwhelmed in traffic or is gabbing with
>>> other riders, or gets busy on his/her cell phone.
>>>
>>> We need them to know that our work and family schedules are every bit as
>>> important as those of the sighted, and we need to be in independent
>>> control of getting ourselves where we need to be on time.  Believe me, I
>>> have had them assure me that they would let me know, when we arrived at
>>> my destination and then ended up having to ride around for another hour
>>> because they didn't.
>>>
>>> Anyway, you can look at it as the glass being half empty or full.  But
>>> it is independence and equality that I am after, not a pity party at
>>> all.  I don't' like that spin on things either.  Unfortunately, there
>>> will always be those that approach things that way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."--Winston
>>> Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:22 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>>
>>>
>>> Morning Diane,
>>>
>>>    As usual, your messages are thought provoking.  Let me make one
>>> thing very clear.  I do not oppose the idea of the US treasury modifying
>>> our bills in such a way that we would be able to tactily identify our
>>> money; so long as blindness is not the reason for the change.  The fact
>>> that the ACB is
>>>
>>> behind this has emotional reactionism plastered all over it.  They're
>>> appealing to the pity of the federal courts; and, I dare say, the
>>> American people.  "Aw, look at us poor blind people.", this story and
>>> action seem to say, "we're so smart.  It's a wonder how we know so many
>>> things and are so wonderful; and yet, can't even manage to get our own
>>> pants on in the morning or tell apart our money...tisk tisk tisk...".
>>>    IF they're going to change the money, let it be for the reasons you
>>> stated; consistency with the rest of the world in adopting a tactile
>>> money system, better security ETC.  But, please!!!  Not blindness!!!!!
>>> As for
>>>
>>> knocking progress, if that so-called progress gets in the way of our
>>> normal lives especially to the point where it uses emotions of pity to
>>> appeal for change, than I say it deserves to be knocked right back where
>>> it came from. However, if the change comes for the right reasons;
>>> progress for us in ways which will make us more independent, and without
>>> appealing to emotional pity, I'm all for it.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>> Ray
>>> Home phone and fax:
>>> (985)853-0139
>>> E-mail:
>>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> Blog:
>>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>>
>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>> God bless our troops!
>>> and God bless America
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.IN.gov>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Morning To All,
>>>
>>> My viewpoint is pretty much in line with yours Sherri.  I mean, PLEASE
>>> do not get me wrong.  We have MANY much more important issues in need of
>>> attention from our legislators and legal system than this one.
>>>
>>> I too have a method of folding my money, and it generally has proven to
>>> be quite effective.  For many years I didn't even fold it.  What I would
>>> do is keep the larger bills on the outside of the role or stack of bills
>>> and the smaller ones in the middle, and then just remember what I had.
>>> But alas, I am growing older, and my memory is growing weaker.  So
>>> several years ago I began to fold the bills for identification purposes.
>>>
>>> But, it is a fact that, in order to get our money folded in the first
>>> place we do have to depend on the honesty/accuracy of a merchant, a bank
>>> teller, a family member and so on.  That is, if we don't' have that $400
>>> identifier.  Most of the time this method of initial identification
>>> works fine, but I have been known to be on the other side of that coin.
>>> It doesn't happen regularly or often, but it has happened.
>>>
>>> Like Sherri, I don't spend a great deal of time fretting about this
>>> issue, but the rest of the world is going to a completely tactilely
>>> identifiable monitory system, and I don't see why we need to be
>>> different just to prove that there are alternative techniques.
>>>
>>> After all, progress is progress.  I mean, prior to the days of
>>> wide-spread computer use, and scanners and Kurzweil and the whole bit,
>>> blind people hired and used readers and sometimes had to call on others
>>> to proof read there typed work and so on.  This worked out fine for them
>>> then.  It was an alternative technique and it worked well.  But would
>>> you rather have stayed back there?  Aren't you thankful, glad and
>>> elated, that you can now take care of your bills, mail and other
>>> business totally independently for the most part?
>>>
>>> I know I am.  The alternative techniques worked fine for their time, but
>>> I for one, am grateful to be increasingly more independent of sighted
>>> assistance.
>>>
>>> And now we even have the Kurzweil/NFB handheld reader which will
>>> increase that independence even more as it can be carried with us.  I
>>> can't wait to get my hands on one of those.  I am folding my money and
>>> putting it away (when I can) in anticipation of that grand purchase.
>>>
>>> I do understand that it seems absurd to spend time on the little things
>>> when there are so many major problems, but don't knock progress guys!
>>> Every little piece of independence we achieve is precious.  At least it
>>> is to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."--Winston
>>> Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Sherri
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:26 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>>
>>>
>>> This is probably an unpopular viewpoint and though I manage pretty well
>>> without it and am much more concerned about obtaining more money than I
>>> am about having some tactile way to tell bills apart other than folding,
>>> I guess I don't understand why we don't just catch up with the rest of
>>> the
>>>
>>> world and make our money identifiable? If we have to change it anyway
>>> because of counterfeit bills, why not just make the other changes too?
>>> However, I don't stay up nights thinking about this issue. Really, it
>>> isn't that important in the scheme of things. (smile)
>>>
>>> Sherri
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