[Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

Sat Dec 2 11:44:47 CST 2006

Dewey and listers,

Respectfully, it's not just a matter of worrying about what sighted people 
think.  Not that that isn't important.  But what society thinks has 
consequences.  The best way I've thought of to describe this is that you 
have to think of every accommodation as having a price; nothing is free, 
after all.  The price of accommodations can come in the form of actual 
dollars, or of attitudes, or both.  Society is willing to make some 
accommodations and sees them as good things.  Others it sees as burdensome 
and expensive.  If we ask for too many of the latter, society will conclude 
that blind people are generally undesirable and dangerous because we impose 
costs on society that it can't bear.  They will believe, as somebody 
actually said to me in an email about our Target suit, that the blind take, 
take, take and don't give a damn about the costs imposed on businesses, 
taxpayers, what have you.  (By the way, I'm not saying our Target suit 
doesn't have merit; the emailer's anger was misplaced in that situation, but 
I do think we have to be mindful of his general point.)  Look at the 
backlash against many provisions of the Americans With Disabilities Act. 
All of this doesn't mean that we shouldn't ask for or accept accommodations; 
it means that we need to be judicious about what we ask for.  We need to ask 
for accessibility where there is no other alternative; we cannot use the 
Target Web site unless it is made accessible.  We can and do use money 
without tactile identification.  I used some yesterday and will use more 
today.  The merchants I dealt with took my money and gave me correct change 
without any hesitation, and provided the services I wanted in exchange for 
the money.  In that sense, which I believe is the most important, I was not 
discriminated against.  To say that tactile money would be nice is one 
thing.  To say that not having it is a form of discrimination against the 
blind is quite another.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dewey" <deweybradley at charter.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

> some of you people on this list really crack me up.
> You take what I say and totally take it out of context, I was looking at 
> it
> from both sides.
> You think that if something isn't inconvenient or made to make things much
> harder then what they are, then It's called special treatment, come off 
> It.
> you don't have to prove your self to anyone.
> every time something comes out to make life easier, even things that 
> aren't
> made for the blind, if It does make life easier for us, the some of you 
> will
> start crying we don't need it, we don't want it, special treatment.
> So you don't like things like the audible crossing, well neither do I, but
> maybe some people do some times.
> But O no we can't have things like that because we have to care what the
> sighted people think, we have to be super blind.
>
> everyone preaches about wanting to be equal, but you don't see anyone
> fighting to make the government let us serve the country, no no, we have 
> to
> be the blind tarrist and stop things that maybe some people might use, for
> example when you go into a store and get change back for your perches, you
> have to just hope that they wont rip you off, which some of them will.
> I guess you just want to get cheated because we just can't have something
> that would prevent It, because some sighted person will look at that and
> think that you can't do things by your self simply because you tell what
> bills you have with out asking the clerk what bill is what.
> I think that being able to do that makes us more independent, but we can't
> have It, because the NFB didn't come up with It first.
> get a life.
> you should be more worried about the discrimation at work then thinks like
> this.
>
> and just for your info, no I'm not with the ACB.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Forte Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>
>
>> Hey, I never said I owned or used a $400 money identifier.  There are 
>> ways
>> we have of dealing with our money which do not require such an expense.
> Do
>> you know what they are?  IF not, perhaps you should find out.  I'll give
> you
>> one hint now.  It has to deal with how it's folded.  You can't always
> expect
>> the world to adapt to you because you're blind.
>>
>>     When I looked at the story, I saw there, (not to my surprise I must
> say)
>> that the ACB was behind  this foolishness.  As long as this sort of
> shallow
>> minded stupidity is perpetrated on us, there will always be a need for 
>> the
>> National Federation Of The Blind.  Is there no chance we could appeal 
>> this
>> absurdity?
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>
>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "dewey" <deweybradley at charter.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> Some people can't afford the $400 for a note teller to read there money.
>> They have to just hope that the person at the store don't rip them off,
>> witch 711 will do.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> > my initial reaction is hog wash!!!  We have alternative techniques for
>> > dealing with our money; and, have had for years and years.  We've
> managed
>> > very well all those years; and, I dare say, we will so continue.  Now,
> of
>> > course, I will do my part to help the new dollar coin along when it
> comes
>> > out early next year; provided it's tactilely identifiable of course.
> From
>> > what I understand, this new coin will be the same in size as the coin
> they
>> > tried back in 2000.  But, I digress.  I cannot help but wonder who
> brought
>> > the stupid suit which resulted in this little piece of nonsense in the
>> first
>> > place.  It's rubbish!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > Sincerely yours,
>> > The Constantly Barefooted,
>> > Ray
>> > Home phone and fax:
>> > (985)853-0139
>> > E-mail:
>> > rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> > Skype Name:
>> > barefootedray
>> > Blog:
>> > www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> > Podcast .rss Feed:
>> > http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>> >
>> > God bless President George W. Bush!
>> > God bless our troops!
>> > and God bless America
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:52 PM
>> > Subject: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't normally forward things like this, but I thought it would be of
>> > interest on these lists.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: BREAKING NEWS [mailto:breakingnews at foxnews.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:44 PM
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>> > Subject: FNC Alert
>> >
>> > FEDERAL JUDGE RULES AMERICAN PAPER MONEY IS UNFAIR TO BLIND PEOPLE
>> >
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