[Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert

Judy Jones nfbwatac at earthlink.net
Sat Dec 2 14:25:19 CST 2006 

Hi,

I'm with Washington Mutual, and they are very accessible and have branches 
in different areas and locales.

Judy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert


> Can't argue with that; but, there's no Bank of America branch near hear.
> Anyhow, my new Chase account is open now and I'll be able to move the rest
> of the balance over very soon.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
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> (985)853-0139
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> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen1 at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>
>
> Bank of America is also very accessible.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>
>
>> Uh, well Diane, you should be able to find a Chase branch where you live.
>> I
>> don't intend to sound like a commercial here, but, if you go to:
>> www.chase.com
>> and click "Accessibility" link, you'd see on that page that there's a
>> locater link which will take you to a form you can fill out to find the
>> branch nearest you.  You don't get the $100.00 bonus though; unless you
>> get
>> the offer through the mail.
>>
>> well hey, two out of three aint bad.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>
>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.in.gov>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> Hi Again,
>>
>> I think this is great Ray.  I would make the move.  In fact, maybe I'll
>> just have to pack up and move on down there to Louisiana and set up an
>> account there too. (LOL)  Seriously that sounds like a good move to me.
>>
>> I get my light bills and gas bills and phone bills in Braille.  If my
>> bank did Braille bank statements, I would get one of those too.
>>
>>
>> I mean come on guys we are not accepting charity donations here.  We are
>> equals.  If the technology is there to do it why shouldn't we get the
>> important documents in a format that is most accessible to us.
>>
>> All of these thing mentioned serve to make us more independent, not the
>> other way around.
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>>
>>
>> "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."--Winston
>> Churchill
>>
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:00 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> Wait!  Do you mean to tell me that the ADA requires bus drivers to
>> announce
>> at each major stop?  This I did not know.
>>
>>    As I was shaving just now, your message came back to me with a bit
>> of a
>> question.  Let me explain.  ON this coming Friday, I'm going to open an
>> account at Chase bank.  I'm doing this not just for the free $100.00
>> they
>> offered me, I'm doing it for the accaccessibility; Braille bank
>> statements,
>> talking ATMs' and the fact that they check their site using both JAWS
>> and
>> Window-Eyes.  Now, I can just hear you saying, "Wait a second here.  You
>> say
>> you don't like the change in the money thing; yet, you switch banks for
>> reasons of greater accessibility?  What's up with that?  Haven't you
>> been
>> banking successfully all these years at your current bank (which does
>> not
>> have and may never have Braille bank statements or talking ATMS'?
>> Doesn't
>> that make you inconsistent?"
>>
>>    My answer is yes, I have been dealing successfully with my current
>> bank
>> since late 1999 without either Braille bank statements or talking ATMS'.
>>
>> So, if that's the case, how come the switch?  In the final analysis, it
>> comes right down to what you yourself said earlier; "more independence.
>> Ah,
>> but, the question again.  Why not just keep my account over at Whitney
>> rather than go through all that switching?  After all, you get along
>> pretty
>> well with things as they are.  So, again, the question.  Why switch?
>> Once
>> again, your original answer, plus one other thing.
>> independence+privacy.  I
>> think we would all agree that a Braille bank statement is much more
>> private
>> than even a statement scanned via OCR.  Mostly, I think, because with
>> the
>> Braille, at least I can understand it.  Print bank statements (at least
>> in
>> my experience) tend not to scan so accurately.  For the record, I've
>> tried
>> using Text Cloner Pro and Omnipage SE.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>
>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.IN.gov>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> HI,
>>
>> I understand what you are saying Ray.  I don't' want anyone feeling
>> sorry for me either. (At least, not as a result of blindness  LOL.) I do
>> want to be as absolutely independent of sighted assistance and as much
>> on an equal footing as I can be. The way I see it currency that I can
>> identify completely devoid of sighted assistance will be another small
>> step in this direction.
>>
>> Unfortunately you will always have the "poor me" blind folks, and the
>> "whatever you do or say is amazing Honey" sighted folks.  Believe me,
>> they make my skin crawl too.
>>
>> But it really is a matter of perspective.  This step up could really
>> provide us with more independence and greater security.  As I say, I do
>> have much bigger band wagons to jump on, and the alternative techniques
>> that I have employed are working fine for me now, but I don't' want to
>> stand in the way of progress either.
>>
>> In an apparently similar situation, we have been having a time for the
>> last several years here in Indianapolis, with getting the city bus
>> drivers to announce the major bus stops as required under the ADA.  They
>> simply do not want to do it, and the company refuses to take any action
>> to enforce it. I think we may be looking at a class action suit before
>> it is all over.
>>
>> Now we are not fighting for this because we are "poor blind people" who
>> need to be taken care of.  Quite the contrary. We are fighting for this
>> because we are blind people who want to be in control of when and where
>> we disembark from the bus, and not at the mercy of some driver who
>> "forgets" because he/she is overwhelmed in traffic or is gabbing with
>> other riders, or gets busy on his/her cell phone.
>>
>> We need them to know that our work and family schedules are every bit as
>> important as those of the sighted, and we need to be in independent
>> control of getting ourselves where we need to be on time.  Believe me, I
>> have had them assure me that they would let me know, when we arrived at
>> my destination and then ended up having to ride around for another hour
>> because they didn't.
>>
>> Anyway, you can look at it as the glass being half empty or full.  But
>> it is independence and equality that I am after, not a pity party at
>> all.  I don't' like that spin on things either.  Unfortunately, there
>> will always be those that approach things that way.
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>>
>>
>> "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."--Winston
>> Churchill
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr.
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:22 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> Morning Diane,
>>
>>    As usual, your messages are thought provoking.  Let me make one
>> thing very clear.  I do not oppose the idea of the US treasury modifying
>> our bills in such a way that we would be able to tactily identify our
>> money; so long as blindness is not the reason for the change.  The fact
>> that the ACB is
>>
>> behind this has emotional reactionism plastered all over it.  They're
>> appealing to the pity of the federal courts; and, I dare say, the
>> American people.  "Aw, look at us poor blind people.", this story and
>> action seem to say, "we're so smart.  It's a wonder how we know so many
>> things and are so wonderful; and yet, can't even manage to get our own
>> pants on in the morning or tell apart our money...tisk tisk tisk...".
>>    IF they're going to change the money, let it be for the reasons you
>> stated; consistency with the rest of the world in adopting a tactile
>> money system, better security ETC.  But, please!!!  Not blindness!!!!!
>> As for
>>
>> knocking progress, if that so-called progress gets in the way of our
>> normal lives especially to the point where it uses emotions of pity to
>> appeal for change, than I say it deserves to be knocked right back where
>> it came from. However, if the change comes for the right reasons;
>> progress for us in ways which will make us more independent, and without
>> appealing to emotional pity, I'm all for it.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>> Ray
>> Home phone and fax:
>> (985)853-0139
>> E-mail:
>> rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> Blog:
>> www.raysworld.blogs.com
>> Podcast .rss Feed:
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/worldofray
>>
>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>> God bless our troops!
>> and God bless America
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at crc.IN.gov>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> Good Morning To All,
>>
>> My viewpoint is pretty much in line with yours Sherri.  I mean, PLEASE
>> do not get me wrong.  We have MANY much more important issues in need of
>> attention from our legislators and legal system than this one.
>>
>> I too have a method of folding my money, and it generally has proven to
>> be quite effective.  For many years I didn't even fold it.  What I would
>> do is keep the larger bills on the outside of the role or stack of bills
>> and the smaller ones in the middle, and then just remember what I had.
>> But alas, I am growing older, and my memory is growing weaker.  So
>> several years ago I began to fold the bills for identification purposes.
>>
>> But, it is a fact that, in order to get our money folded in the first
>> place we do have to depend on the honesty/accuracy of a merchant, a bank
>> teller, a family member and so on.  That is, if we don't' have that $400
>> identifier.  Most of the time this method of initial identification
>> works fine, but I have been known to be on the other side of that coin.
>> It doesn't happen regularly or often, but it has happened.
>>
>> Like Sherri, I don't spend a great deal of time fretting about this
>> issue, but the rest of the world is going to a completely tactilely
>> identifiable monitory system, and I don't see why we need to be
>> different just to prove that there are alternative techniques.
>>
>> After all, progress is progress.  I mean, prior to the days of
>> wide-spread computer use, and scanners and Kurzweil and the whole bit,
>> blind people hired and used readers and sometimes had to call on others
>> to proof read there typed work and so on.  This worked out fine for them
>> then.  It was an alternative technique and it worked well.  But would
>> you rather have stayed back there?  Aren't you thankful, glad and
>> elated, that you can now take care of your bills, mail and other
>> business totally independently for the most part?
>>
>> I know I am.  The alternative techniques worked fine for their time, but
>> I for one, am grateful to be increasingly more independent of sighted
>> assistance.
>>
>> And now we even have the Kurzweil/NFB handheld reader which will
>> increase that independence even more as it can be carried with us.  I
>> can't wait to get my hands on one of those.  I am folding my money and
>> putting it away (when I can) in anticipation of that grand purchase.
>>
>> I do understand that it seems absurd to spend time on the little things
>> when there are so many major problems, but don't knock progress guys!
>> Every little piece of independence we achieve is precious.  At least it
>> is to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>>
>>
>> "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."--Winston
>> Churchill
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Sherri
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:26 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: FNC Alert
>>
>>
>> This is probably an unpopular viewpoint and though I manage pretty well
>> without it and am much more concerned about obtaining more money than I
>> am about having some tactile way to tell bills apart other than folding,
>> I guess I don't understand why we don't just catch up with the rest of
>> the
>>
>> world and make our money identifiable? If we have to change it anyway
>> because of counterfeit bills, why not just make the other changes too?
>> However, I don't stay up nights thinking about this issue. Really, it
>> isn't that important in the scheme of things. (smile)
>>
>> Sherri
>>
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