[blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 44, Issue 21
ger sadlier
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Sun Jan 20 12:40:45 CST 2008
Hi Dee,
I've just finished law school all be it in Ireland, rather than the U.S.
For notes, I always used a laptop, with jaws.
I used to wear a pair of small ear butts, and could hear the computer and the lecturer at the same time.
I found that I learned most by listening to the lecturer and used to take down most of what was said, at least at first. as you go on, you'll get a good idea of what's important and what isn't.
Where possible, get the books in electronic format, it saves a lot of work and gives you the ability to search quickly through them.
I am unfamiliar with what a U.S. case book amounts to.
If its just a set of judgments, then try to get these off the net, lexis or west law etc.?
Finally, when you've made friends at your lectures, see if they use laptops etc. in lectures.
Several people in my class did, because they found they got cleaner notes as a result.
If so, you could swap notes.
N.B. this is not a substatute for taking your own notes, nor should you let it become such but other sighted people regularly swap hand written notes and there's no reason why you shouldn't too, if their notes are accessable to you.
G
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2. Re: Case Books & Notes? (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
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Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
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Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School?in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
?
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book?and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
?
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
?
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
?
Thanks for the help,
Dee
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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:14:20 EST
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Case Books & Notes?
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Hi Dee,
Welcome to the list. I'd say that everyone develops a system that works for
them. It might take some time and hard work, but you'll figure out what
works best for you and what doesn't.
I preferred to get my textbooks in Word or WordPerfect format. I would then
copy and paste the reading assignment into a new document and insert my
reading notes into that file as well. Then, in class, I opened that file as well
as another blank document. I could go between the two files, making my
lecture notes in one and referring to the other. When I couldn't get the book in
Word or WordPerfect format, I scanned it into OpenBook, which works just
like Kurzweil does as scanning software and conversion to audiotext, and copied
that to a word document. It sometimes took a while, but it was worth having
the book in a format that is both searchable and editable for me.
I got in the habit of focusing more on listening to the lecture and taking
notes in auto pilot. My notes were similar to a transcription of the lecture.
I'd later go back and summarize what I wanted and put it in my outline.
This served as a sort of review, and it gave me an opportunity to take a fresh
look at the material.
For me, it was important that I have Jaws running while I took and read
notes. So I used an earbud - one in my ear and one not - during lectures. That
way, I didn't disturb those around me, but I could go into the reading notes
and find something if I needed it relatively easily.
Hope this helps. See you in DC
Regards,
Ronza
In a message dated 1/20/2008 10:53:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
aedj at comcast.net writes:
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in
the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law
school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take
notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on
a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work
pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I
have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the
discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for
accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at
best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am
about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other
had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to
meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in
the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law
school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take
notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on
a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work
pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I
have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the
discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for
accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at
best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am
about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other
had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to
meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
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Hi Dee,
Welcome to the list. I'd say that everyone develops a system that works for them. It might take some time and hard work, but you'll figure out what works best for you and what doesn't.
I preferred to get my textbooks in Word or WordPerfect format. I would then copy and paste the reading assignment into a new document and insert my reading notes into that file as well. Then, in class, I opened that file as well as another blank document. I could go between the two files, making my lecture notes in one and referring to the other. When I couldn't get the book in Word or WordPerfect format, I scanned it into OpenBook, which works just like Kurzweil does as scanning software and conversion to audiotext, and copied that to a word document. It sometimes took a while, but it was worth having the book in a format that is both searchable and editable for me.
I got in the habit of focusing more on listening to the lecture and taking notes in auto pilot. My notes were similar to a transcription of the lecture. I'd later go back and summarize what I wanted and put it in my outline. This served as a sort of review, and it gave me an opportunity to take a fresh look at the material.
For me, it was important that I have Jaws running while I took and read notes. So I used an earbud - one in my ear and one not - during lectures. That way, I didn't disturb those around me, but I could go into the reading notes and find something if I needed it relatively easily.
Hope this helps. See you in DC
Regards,
Ronza
In a message dated 1/20/2008 10:53:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, aedj at comcast.net writes:
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
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Hi Dee,
I've just finished law school all be it in Ireland, rather than the U.S.
For notes, I always used a laptop, with jaws.
I used to wear a pair of small ear butts, and could hear the computer and the lecturer at the same time.
I found that I learned most by listening to the lecturer and used to take down most of what was said, at least at first. as you go on, you'll get a good idea of what's important and what isn't.
Where possible, get the books in electronic format, it saves a lot of work and gives you the ability to search quickly through them.
I am unfamiliar with what a U.S. case book amounts to.
If its just a set of judgments, then try to get these off the net, lexis or west law etc.?
Finally, when you've made friends at your lectures, see if they use laptops etc. in lectures.
Several people in my class did, because they found they got cleaner notes as a result.
If so, you could swap notes.
N.B. this is not a substatute for taking your own notes, nor should you let it become such but other sighted people regularly swap hand written notes and there's no reason why you shouldn't too, if their notes are accessable to you.
G
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2. Re: Case Books & Notes? (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:52:26 -0500
From: "Dee+Anneke"
Subject: [blindlaw] Case Books & Notes?
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
Message-ID: <001201c85b84$d64efa90$a800a8c0 at deecomputer>
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Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
-------------- next part --------------
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School?in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
?
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book?and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
?
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
?
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
?
Thanks for the help,
Dee
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:14:20 EST
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Case Books & Notes?
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Dee,
Welcome to the list. I'd say that everyone develops a system that works for
them. It might take some time and hard work, but you'll figure out what
works best for you and what doesn't.
I preferred to get my textbooks in Word or WordPerfect format. I would then
copy and paste the reading assignment into a new document and insert my
reading notes into that file as well. Then, in class, I opened that file as well
as another blank document. I could go between the two files, making my
lecture notes in one and referring to the other. When I couldn't get the book in
Word or WordPerfect format, I scanned it into OpenBook, which works just
like Kurzweil does as scanning software and conversion to audiotext, and copied
that to a word document. It sometimes took a while, but it was worth having
the book in a format that is both searchable and editable for me.
I got in the habit of focusing more on listening to the lecture and taking
notes in auto pilot. My notes were similar to a transcription of the lecture.
I'd later go back and summarize what I wanted and put it in my outline.
This served as a sort of review, and it gave me an opportunity to take a fresh
look at the material.
For me, it was important that I have Jaws running while I took and read
notes. So I used an earbud - one in my ear and one not - during lectures. That
way, I didn't disturb those around me, but I could go into the reading notes
and find something if I needed it relatively easily.
Hope this helps. See you in DC
Regards,
Ronza
In a message dated 1/20/2008 10:53:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
aedj at comcast.net writes:
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in
the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law
school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take
notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on
a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work
pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I
have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the
discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for
accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at
best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am
about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other
had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to
meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in
the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law
school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take
notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on
a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work
pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I
have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the
discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for
accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at
best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am
about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other
had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to
meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
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Hi Dee,
Welcome to the list. I'd say that everyone develops a system that works for them. It might take some time and hard work, but you'll figure out what works best for you and what doesn't.
I preferred to get my textbooks in Word or WordPerfect format. I would then copy and paste the reading assignment into a new document and insert my reading notes into that file as well. Then, in class, I opened that file as well as another blank document. I could go between the two files, making my lecture notes in one and referring to the other. When I couldn't get the book in Word or WordPerfect format, I scanned it into OpenBook, which works just like Kurzweil does as scanning software and conversion to audiotext, and copied that to a word document. It sometimes took a while, but it was worth having the book in a format that is both searchable and editable for me.
I got in the habit of focusing more on listening to the lecture and taking notes in auto pilot. My notes were similar to a transcription of the lecture. I'd later go back and summarize what I wanted and put it in my outline. This served as a sort of review, and it gave me an opportunity to take a fresh look at the material.
For me, it was important that I have Jaws running while I took and read notes. So I used an earbud - one in my ear and one not - during lectures. That way, I didn't disturb those around me, but I could go into the reading notes and find something if I needed it relatively easily.
Hope this helps. See you in DC
Regards,
Ronza
In a message dated 1/20/2008 10:53:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, aedj at comcast.net writes:
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
Hello Everyone, I am Dee Jones and I will be attending Vermont Law School in the fall. I was wondering how folks accessed the case books for class in Law school? I would also love to know what people used for a system to take notes? I am currently sitting in on Property Law at the school to try to work on a system that will serve me well in the fall.
Currently, I am scanning the case book into Kurzweil. That seems to work pretty well but it's a lot of scanning. I am taking notes myself on my laptop. I have a hard time keeping my notes going while trying to follow the discussion. Basically, once in the classroom I don't seem to have a system for accessing the information I have read in the case book and my notes are shaky at best. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also what types of accommodations did people have with their schools? I am about to begin setting up accommodations and I would love to know what other had.
Also, I am planning on attending the Washington Seminar and would love to meet some of you.
Thanks for the help,
Dee
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