[blindlaw] Moving Around in front of Jury duringclosingargument?
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Hi Rod,
I tend to do the same things as Parnell. I like moving around because it
helps me release some energy and maybe walk off a little nervousness. I also
like to do it because it keeps the jury's eyes on me. If I'm mobile, they
tend to pay more attention. Closing arguments should flow. You'll want them to
seem natural, like a conversation. I like to choose a catch phrase they can
take away with them. For example, when I prosecuted a certain case, the
catch phrase was "coincidence, I don't think so." Then, as I went through the
evidence and testimony that came out of the trial, I'd insert that statement
when I had a particularly compelling piece of evidence. It also gave me a
chance to collect my thoughts, because eventually, that statement became sort of
automatic.
I choose wehther or not to use notes depending on the nature of the closing
argument. For a criminal case with a lot of evidence, I might Braille out
some key points I want to highlight. For a deportation hearing, I almost never
do. A deportation hearing has no jury, and I need to make sure the judge
sees my client in the most human and vulnerable light I can portray him. For
me, notes get in the way of that. Plus, by that time, I'm so familiar with my
client's life that I know the details in my sleep. In a divorce, I'll
probably use notes more. I'll need exact figures like income and assets, and I
want to make sure I don't get them wrong.
I suppose my point is this: different sorts of litigation will require
different strategies. You'll have to figure out what makes you the most
comfortable and what seems natural to you. And in the meantime, it's OK to be nervous
and anxious. Most good lawyers are always nervous going into a high-stakes
court appearance.
Hope this helps.
Ronza
In a message dated 1/14/2008 9:06:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com writes:
Rod:
We must remember that we are all lawyers first: each with our own strengths
and weaknesses; each with our own stile; and each with our own ways of doing
things. For us, blindness is one, but only one, of the characteristics that
affects how we practice our trade. We learn from our colleagues, both
sighted and blind, and we make our way.
Ray
PS: This exchange has been terrific; it is just what this listserv is all
about.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Alcidonis" <roddj12 at hotmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Moving Around in front of Jury
duringclosingargument?
Thanks Ross for the article but I was more interested in blindness
litigation techniques in order to litigate as competently as my sighted
counterparts.
Appreciate it though....
Great article...
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 401-824-8685
Visit my Law School Blog at:
http://blogs.rwu.edu/law/ralcidonis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Moving Around in front of Jury
duringclosingargument?
This article may be of help overall with reference to trial work. I copied
it off of a list, may even have been this one, several months ago. I look at
it before hearings now and then, just to keep an eye open for things that I
may be doing wrong.
Hope this helps out a little bit.
Ross A. Doerr - Esquire
Marty Sanchez's big employment discrimination case was getting close to
trial when he suddenly was bombarded with a cluster of troublesome motions
by that new defense boutique firm, Strickland & Michaelman.
So Tuesday evening, Marty was over at the office, where Angus and I were
helping him prepare for these last-minute threats.
"Those guys must have been lying in wait for months so they could hit me all
of a sudden with these 13 different motions," said Marty.
"That's the way 'Tricky' Strickland and Joyce Michaelman approached every
case when they were at Windstrom & Crusher," I said. "They're even worse now
that they've got their own firm."
"It looks to me like their motion for a partial summary judgment is the most
dangerous one in the bunch," said Angus. "It seems harmless, but I think it
would severely limit how you could prove your client's damages."
"I'm loaded for bear on that one," said Marty. "Let's start with it."
I played Judge Standwell while Angus gave a powerful-sounding argument in
favor of the defendant's motion.
The videotape was running when Marty stood up-fire in his eyes-and said,
"Your honor, I have 13 compelling reasons why this specious motion should be
summarily denied."
"Sorry to interrupt so soon," said Angus, "but do you really want to start
your argument like that?"
"Absolutely!" said Marty. "Give them some of their own medicine. I've got 13
objections to every one of their 13 motions."
I reached for my pencil to multiply 13 by 13, but Angus had already done it
in his head. "You've actually got 169 objections to these 13 motions?" he
said.
Marty nodded. "It's poetic justice," he said.
"But why punish the judge with all those objections for what the defendant
is doing?" I said.
Marty stayed in his role. "You're wrong, judge," he said. "You do not
comprehend what is at issue with the defendant's dishonest and unethical
motions. They present a serious threat to the basic scope and fairness of
these proceedings, and my clients are entitled to be heard on them!"
Angus stood up. "Marty," he said. "Mellow out a little. It's Tuesday night,
and the trial doesn't start for over a month. But actually I'm glad you said
that here and not in Judge Standwell's courtroom.
"I'm giving a talk for the bar association's dinner this Friday, called
Seven Ways to Make a Losing Argument. And you know what? In less than 30
seconds you already made one losing argument and promised to make another."
"Oh, come on," said Marty. "What did I do to make a losing argument?"
"See if you can find it in this list," said Angus, handing it to Marty:
Argue with the judge
Bury your argument in clutter
Misstate the facts
Base your argument on obscure technicalities
Read your argument
Push a good point too far
Give in to sudden inspiration
"Argue with the judge?" said Marty.
"That's one," said Angus. "Jimmy was letting you know that you were taking
out your anger on the judge with 13 objections to every motion, and you
started
lecturing him on his lack of understanding the 'basic scope and fairness' of
the proceedings. What's worse, you actually said, 'You're wrong, judge.' You
didn't even call him 'your honor.'
"Remember: Never argue with the judge, argue to the judge."
"But what's the big deal?" said Marty. "I hear lawyers argue with the judge
all the time."
"Do they win?" said Angus.
Marty thought for a minute, then said, "No, but at least they preserve their
objections for the record."
"That and $2.49 will buy you a fast-food double cheeseburger," said Angus,
"but it won't get the judge reversed on appeal.
"The most important reason for arguing to the judge instead of with the
judge is that people like their own ideas. Telling the judge he's wrong
amounts to a personal attack. On top of that, it pushes the judge into
adopting your opponent's position out of self-defense."
"OK," said Marty. "What's the losing argument I promised to make?"
"You promised to bury whatever good points you had in a mountain of
clutter," I said. "It's theoretically possible you have 169 brilliant
objections to make, but I doubt it."
"I admit I had to stretch to come up with even 15 or 20 decent arguments,"
said Marty. "But what's the harm in tossing a few losers on the judge's lap?
It's part of the legal tradition. Law schools reward you for coming up with
every remotely plausible rule you can think of."
Angus snorted. "A trial is not a law school examination," he said. "The
problem with making losing arguments is that they become the lowest common
denominator by which your whole presentation is evaluated. Judges don't
trust lawyers who make dumb arguments."
Despite Marty's enthusiasm, I could see the discussion was taking its toll.
So I stood up and said, "The court is declaring a coffee break. As it
happens, I have a thermos of dark mountain roast and a box of warm blueberry
scones."
Ten minutes later, Marty said, "Angus, would you mind commenting on the
other five ways to make a losing argument before we go on? I'd rather know
what to avoid ahead of time than find out the hard way."
Here are the notes I took:
Misstate the facts. Be scrupulously careful what you say-and how. Judges and
juries are suspicious of comments and evaluations you make about the
evidence, especially when they're not supported by the witnesses' testimony
or documentary proof.
One of the difficulties of trying a case with no assistant or co-counsel is
there is no one to catch any inadvertent misstatements you make before you
hear about them in your opponent's final argument.
And tell the jurors in your final argument to rely on their recollection of
what the witnesses said, and if their recollection differs from yours, to
hold it against you and not your client.
Base your argument on obscure technicalities. Jeanne Fleming of Metricus, a
jury research firm in Palo Alto, Calif., says, "When it comes to technical
matters, most people have a limited attention span. The heart of the case is
plot, motive and character.
"When the jury can't understand what you're presenting, they turn their
attention to something they can understand, particularly motive and
character. So don't make the centerpiece of your case something that doesn't
relate to the interests or abilities of the fact-finders."
Read your argument. The problem is, no one writes the way they
talk-especially lawyers. We can't resist decorating our compound and complex
sentences with words that would send a crossword puzzle editor to the Oxford
English Dictionary.
And even if you write with charming simplicity, you are not a professional
reader. The results will be awkward and stilted.
So never work from a script. Instead, use an outline and speak
extemporaneously-but not impromptu. So what if not everything you say is
grammatically correct? It never is anyway.
Push a good point too far. Understatement is more powerful than
overstatement. The harder you push-the more you tell people how to think-the
more sales resistance you will get from anyone who is listening-especially
the judge and jury, who know you're being paid to convince them.
The problem is, the words you should avoid are the ones that tug at you the
hardest: adjectives and adverbs -those exciting, seductive words that keep
sneaking into what you write and how you talk.
Stay away from them. They're poison. With adjectives and adverbs, you're
telling people how to think. Simple verbs and nouns are the workhorses of
good speaking and writing. They show, not tell.
Give in to sudden inspiration. You're in the middle of final argument when
out of the blue comes a flash of brilliance. Suddenly you see a connection
between events that had eluded you through years of working on the
case-until now.
Like a sparkling gem lying on the floor, it calls you. You have found the
winning climax for your argument.
The problem is, you only have time to see how to use this great idea-but not
to test whether it might turn and bite you.
Take the case of the Illinois farmer who came across the river to shop in
St. Louis, where he slipped and fell on the defendant's floor and seriously
injured his back.
During final argument, the defense lawyer thought of a great way to
"hometown" the plaintiff. He would appeal to the Missouri sense of resenting
out-of-towners who were always trying to take advantage of the home folks.
So he worked himself into a serious snit in his argument over "these
Illinois farmers who come here trying to put their hands into some St. Louis
businessman's pockets."
The late Jim Jeans, the St. Louis lawyer who was representing the Illinois
farmer, didn't object. He waited until rebuttal, when he said, "We're not
trying to put our hands into some local businessman's pocket-we're trying to
put them into the pockets of the Royal Indemnity Insurance Co. that's
defending this case."
The defense lawyer's sudden inspiration had opened the door to the
admissibility of insurance.
James W. McElhaney is the Baker and Hostetler Distinguished Scholar in Trial
Practice at Case Western Reserve University School of Law in Cleveland and
the Joseph C. Hutcheson Dis­tinguished Lecturer in Trial Advocacy at
South
Texas College of Law in Houston. He is a senior editor and columnist for
Litigation,
the journal of the ABA Section of Litigation.
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Hi Rod,
I tend to do the same things as Parnell. I like moving around because it helps me release some energy and maybe walk off a little nervousness. I also like to do it because it keeps the jury's eyes on me. If I'm mobile, they tend to pay more attention. Closing arguments should flow. You'll want them to seem natural, like a conversation. I like to choose a catch phrase they can take away with them. For example, when I prosecuted a certain case, the catch phrase was "coincidence, I don't think so." Then, as I went through the evidence and testimony that came out of the trial, I'd insert that statement when I had a particularly compelling piece of evidence. It also gave me a chance to collect my thoughts, because eventually, that statement became sort of automatic.
I choose wehther or not to use notes depending on the nature of the closing argument. For a criminal case with a lot of evidence, I might Braille out some key points I want to highlight. For a deportation hearing, I almost never do. A deportation hearing has no jury, and I need to make sure the judge sees my client in the most human and vulnerable light I can portray him. For me, notes get in the way of that. Plus, by that time, I'm so familiar with my client's life that I know the details in my sleep. In a divorce, I'll probably use notes more. I'll need exact figures like income and assets, and I want to make sure I don't get them wrong.
I suppose my point is this: different sorts of litigation will require different strategies. You'll have to figure out what makes you the most comfortable and what seems natural to you. And in the meantime, it's OK to be nervous and anxious. Most good lawyers are always nervous going into a high-stakes court appearance.
Hope this helps.
Ronza
In a message dated 1/14/2008 9:06:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com writes:
Rod:
We must remember that we are all lawyers first: each with our own strengths
and weaknesses; each with our own stile; and each with our own ways of doing
things. For us, blindness is one, but only one, of the characteristics that
affects how we practice our trade. We learn from our colleagues, both
sighted and blind, and we make our way.
Ray
PS: This exchange has been terrific; it is just what this listserv is all
about.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Alcidonis" <roddj12 at hotmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Moving Around in front of Jury
duringclosingargument?
Thanks Ross for the article but I was more interested in blindness
litigation techniques in order to litigate as competently as my sighted
counterparts.
Appreciate it though....
Great article...
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 401-824-8685
Visit my Law School Blog at:
http://blogs.rwu.edu/law/ralcidonis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Moving Around in front of Jury
duringclosingargument?
This article may be of help overall with reference to trial work. I copied
it off of a list, may even have been this one, several months ago. I look at
it before hearings now and then, just to keep an eye open for things that I
may be doing wrong.
Hope this helps out a little bit.
Ross A. Doerr - Esquire
Marty Sanchez's big employment discrimination case was getting close to
trial when he suddenly was bombarded with a cluster of troublesome motions
by that new defense boutique firm, Strickland & Michaelman.
So Tuesday evening, Marty was over at the office, where Angus and I were
helping him prepare for these last-minute threats.
"Those guys must have been lying in wait for months so they could hit me all
of a sudden with these 13 different motions," said Marty.
"That's the way 'Tricky' Strickland and Joyce Michaelman approached every
case when they were at Windstrom & Crusher," I said. "They're even worse now
that they've got their own firm."
"It looks to me like their motion for a partial summary judgment is the most
dangerous one in the bunch," said Angus. "It seems harmless, but I think it
would severely limit how you could prove your client's damages."
"I'm loaded for bear on that one," said Marty. "Let's start with it."
I played Judge Standwell while Angus gave a powerful-sounding argument in
favor of the defendant's motion.
The videotape was running when Marty stood up-fire in his eyes-and said,
"Your honor, I have 13 compelling reasons why this specious motion should be
summarily denied."
"Sorry to interrupt so soon," said Angus, "but do you really want to start
your argument like that?"
"Absolutely!" said Marty. "Give them some of their own medicine. I've got 13
objections to every one of their 13 motions."
I reached for my pencil to multiply 13 by 13, but Angus had already done it
in his head. "You've actually got 169 objections to these 13 motions?" he
said.
Marty nodded. "It's poetic justice," he said.
"But why punish the judge with all those objections for what the defendant
is doing?" I said.
Marty stayed in his role. "You're wrong, judge," he said. "You do not
comprehend what is at issue with the defendant's dishonest and unethical
motions. They present a serious threat to the basic scope and fairness of
these proceedings, and my clients are entitled to be heard on them!"
Angus stood up. "Marty," he said. "Mellow out a little. It's Tuesday night,
and the trial doesn't start for over a month. But actually I'm glad you said
that here and not in Judge Standwell's courtroom.
"I'm giving a talk for the bar association's dinner this Friday, called
Seven Ways to Make a Losing Argument. And you know what? In less than 30
seconds you already made one losing argument and promised to make another."
"Oh, come on," said Marty. "What did I do to make a losing argument?"
"See if you can find it in this list," said Angus, handing it to Marty:
Argue with the judge
Bury your argument in clutter
Misstate the facts
Base your argument on obscure technicalities
Read your argument
Push a good point too far
Give in to sudden inspiration
"Argue with the judge?" said Marty.
"That's one," said Angus. "Jimmy was letting you know that you were taking
out your anger on the judge with 13 objections to every motion, and you
started
lecturing him on his lack of understanding the 'basic scope and fairness' of
the proceedings. What's worse, you actually said, 'You're wrong, judge.' You
didn't even call him 'your honor.'
"Remember: Never argue with the judge, argue to the judge."
"But what's the big deal?" said Marty. "I hear lawyers argue with the judge
all the time."
"Do they win?" said Angus.
Marty thought for a minute, then said, "No, but at least they preserve their
objections for the record."
"That and $2.49 will buy you a fast-food double cheeseburger," said Angus,
"but it won't get the judge reversed on appeal.
"The most important reason for arguing to the judge instead of with the
judge is that people like their own ideas. Telling the judge he's wrong
amounts to a personal attack. On top of that, it pushes the judge into
adopting your opponent's position out of self-defense."
"OK," said Marty. "What's the losing argument I promised to make?"
"You promised to bury whatever good points you had in a mountain of
clutter," I said. "It's theoretically possible you have 169 brilliant
objections to make, but I doubt it."
"I admit I had to stretch to come up with even 15 or 20 decent arguments,"
said Marty. "But what's the harm in tossing a few losers on the judge's lap?
It's part of the legal tradition. Law schools reward you for coming up with
every remotely plausible rule you can think of."
Angus snorted. "A trial is not a law school examination," he said. "The
problem with making losing arguments is that they become the lowest common
denominator by which your whole presentation is evaluated. Judges don't
trust lawyers who make dumb arguments."
Despite Marty's enthusiasm, I could see the discussion was taking its toll.
So I stood up and said, "The court is declaring a coffee break. As it
happens, I have a thermos of dark mountain roast and a box of warm blueberry
scones."
Ten minutes later, Marty said, "Angus, would you mind commenting on the
other five ways to make a losing argument before we go on? I'd rather know
what to avoid ahead of time than find out the hard way."
Here are the notes I took:
Misstate the facts. Be scrupulously careful what you say-and how. Judges and
juries are suspicious of comments and evaluations you make about the
evidence, especially when they're not supported by the witnesses' testimony
or documentary proof.
One of the difficulties of trying a case with no assistant or co-counsel is
there is no one to catch any inadvertent misstatements you make before you
hear about them in your opponent's final argument.
And tell the jurors in your final argument to rely on their recollection of
what the witnesses said, and if their recollection differs from yours, to
hold it against you and not your client.
Base your argument on obscure technicalities. Jeanne Fleming of Metricus, a
jury research firm in Palo Alto, Calif., says, "When it comes to technical
matters, most people have a limited attention span. The heart of the case is
plot, motive and character.
"When the jury can't understand what you're presenting, they turn their
attention to something they can understand, particularly motive and
character. So don't make the centerpiece of your case something that doesn't
relate to the interests or abilities of the fact-finders."
Read your argument. The problem is, no one writes the way they
talk-especially lawyers. We can't resist decorating our compound and complex
sentences with words that would send a crossword puzzle editor to the Oxford
English Dictionary.
And even if you write with charming simplicity, you are not a professional
reader. The results will be awkward and stilted.
So never work from a script. Instead, use an outline and speak
extemporaneously-but not impromptu. So what if not everything you say is
grammatically correct? It never is anyway.
Push a good point too far. Understatement is more powerful than
overstatement. The harder you push-the more you tell people how to think-the
more sales resistance you will get from anyone who is listening-especially
the judge and jury, who know you're being paid to convince them.
The problem is, the words you should avoid are the ones that tug at you the
hardest: adjectives and adverbs -those exciting, seductive words that keep
sneaking into what you write and how you talk.
Stay away from them. They're poison. With adjectives and adverbs, you're
telling people how to think. Simple verbs and nouns are the workhorses of
good speaking and writing. They show, not tell.
Give in to sudden inspiration. You're in the middle of final argument when
out of the blue comes a flash of brilliance. Suddenly you see a connection
between events that had eluded you through years of working on the
case-until now.
Like a sparkling gem lying on the floor, it calls you. You have found the
winning climax for your argument.
The problem is, you only have time to see how to use this great idea-but not
to test whether it might turn and bite you.
Take the case of the Illinois farmer who came across the river to shop in
St. Louis, where he slipped and fell on the defendant's floor and seriously
injured his back.
During final argument, the defense lawyer thought of a great way to
"hometown" the plaintiff. He would appeal to the Missouri sense of resenting
out-of-towners who were always trying to take advantage of the home folks.
So he worked himself into a serious snit in his argument over "these
Illinois farmers who come here trying to put their hands into some St. Louis
businessman's pockets."
The late Jim Jeans, the St. Louis lawyer who was representing the Illinois
farmer, didn't object. He waited until rebuttal, when he said, "We're not
trying to put our hands into some local businessman's pocket-we're trying to
put them into the pockets of the Royal Indemnity Insurance Co. that's
defending this case."
The defense lawyer's sudden inspiration had opened the door to the
admissibility of insurance.
James W. McElhaney is the Baker and Hostetler Distinguished Scholar in Trial
Practice at Case Western Reserve University School of Law in Cleveland and
the Joseph C. Hutcheson Distinguished Lecturer in Trial Advocacy at South
Texas College of Law in Houston. He is a senior editor and columnist for
Litigation,
the journal of the ABA Section of Litigation.
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