[blindlaw] New Scanning Option
Gregory I. Vendeland
vendeland at msn.com
Mon Jan 7 17:43:36 CST 2008
Could someone please send me a "image only" file? Make sure that it does
not have the text imbedded. I've never personally had difficulty gaining
access to any Adobe File so I'm personally curious.
Again, please confirm that it is a file that present difficulty to people on
this list.
Thanks
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: <AZNOR99 at aol.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Scanning Option
> I'm sorry to have given everyone hope. I still don't know why the files
> I
> have convert. However, Jim did send a file, and it did not do the usual
> magical conversion. Perhaps the file has to be text imbedded in an
> image. Does
> anyone else know what I was talking about though? Has anyone else had
> the
> program offer to convert the file to OCR-ready?
>
> Ronza
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/7/2008 5:03:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> albertpgriffith at hotmail.com writes:
>
> I've studied the matter extensively and you're right. Image only files
> can't be converted.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:52 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Scanning Option
>
> I think that terminology may be clouding the issue here.
>
> It is my understanding that currently there are no programs that will
> convert files that are purely "image, i.e. no readable text in the
> file --
> files that look like pictures. Indeed, on these type of documents using
> adobe 8.1 to convert the document returns a result of "empty document."
> It
> is my understanding that only files with embedded text can be converted
> by
> any program currently available.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of McCarthy, Jim
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:38 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Scanning Option
>
> Well, because I hope Ronza is right, and because I respect her acumen, I
> tried to look into this a bit. I have JAWS version 9 and the latest
> adobe
> reader 8.1 or whatever. First, I looked in the JAWS help file under
> acrobat
> but there was no mention that later versions of the reader would offer to
> convert image files. Arguably it would be adobe and not JAWS that would
> advertise this feature so I thought I would open an image file that I
> have
> not been able to read without running it through K1000 first. I was not
> offered a conversion option by adobe. I loaded the adobe software before
> updating JAWS and I suppose that might make a difference. I also wonder
> if
> you, Ronza are using the adobe free software or if you actually own the
> acrobat professional product?
> Perhaps you said and I missed it. At any rate, what Tim has mentioned
> would
> be a great benefit to many of us I am sure, but perhaps one needs the
> professional product to gain that advantage.
> Jim McCarthy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:29 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Scanning Option
>
> Steve,
> Are you using Jaws 8 or 9? I believe that's a requirement. Jaws 7 and
> below does not convert the document. The prompt says something like
> "This
> document appears to be an image. Would you like Adobe to run a character
> scan to convert the image to text?"
>
> I checked a box that tells Adobe to automatically convert all image files
> to text, so I can't get the exact language of the prompt anymore.
> Good luck.
>
> Regards,
> Ronza
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/6/2008 4:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> steve.jacobson at visi.com writes:
>
> Please explain this further because I think we're talking about two
> different things in this thread. The ability to create PDF documents
> that
> contains both the original image and the text has been around for a
> while.
> I do not know of Acrobat supported it or not but it was an option at
> least
> in OmniPage when used to create PDF's.
>
> I just tried to read a document that was only an image a week ago or so
> with Acrobat Reader 8.1.1. There was no option to extract text from the
> document that I was aware of, but I was able to convert the document to
> text using an OmniPage option so I know the text was recognizable. This
> would be very handy if Adobe built in such a feature, though. Would you
> describe where you were prompted for the conversion option? Are you
> certain you were not hearing the "document being processed" message that
> accompanies the normal extraction of text? Maybe I missed something.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:15:07 -0800, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. wrote:
>
>>The version you want is Adobe 8.1. you can download it from the Adobe
>>website.
>
>>The advantage is that this program will convert certain PDF documents
>>to text, documents which cannot be converted by the use of other
>>programs. The disadvantage is that the document must be saved as a
>>text file, thereby losing the formatting of the original document.
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>
>>On Behalf Of Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)
>>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:01 AM
>>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Scanning Option
>
>>I have not experienced what you describe on my free Adobe Reader
>>software, which is version 8 something. If the material is image
>>only, then JAWS indicates that, but Adobe does not give me the option
>>of converting to text. Perhaps there is some setting in the Adobe
>>Reader software that needs to be turned on in order to get the prompt
>
>>you describe? This would be wonderful news. While the virtual
>>Freedom Import printer works well enough, converting through Openbook,
>
>>this new approach sounds even better, and especially for large
>>documents, where converting through Openbook can take awhile. So if
>>you happen to know how to activate this feature, please let me know.
>
>>Tim Ford
>>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com
>>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:53 AM
>>To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Scanning Option
>
>>Tim and All,
>>
>>I noticed this a few months ago. The newer versions of Adobe (8.0 and
>>above) now have a feature that recognizes screen reading software, in
>>my experience Jaws 8.0 and beyond. Once I download an image file,
>>Adobe recognizes that there is text and asks if I want it to try to
>>convert the file to OCR-enabled. Once I do, it very quickly
>>processes the image and converts it. I've done this with briefs,
>>receipts, and even exhibits. In fact, I've not used my virtual printer
>>once since I upgraded to the new version of Adobe.
>>
>>This means that you don't necessarily need Adobe Professional on any
>>machine. The standard free addition works wonderfully. It's made my
>>work much easier and saved me a great deal of time.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Ronza
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 1/6/2008 12:46:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov writes:
>
>>I recently discovered, quite by accident, a new scanning option that
>>may be of interest.
>
>>My office recently installed Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional, Version
>>8.0.0, on the computer with the scanner that I have been using to
>>create PDF versions of briefs an other material I need to send to
>>others electronically. I had my assistant scan in a brief that I was
>>to file electronically.
>
>>I pulled up the results, just to print it and have my assistant make
>>sure all the pages were there. To my surprise, JAWS started
>>automatically reading the document. I had my assistant check, and on
>>the screen, and what we printed, was the typical image only format,
>>with my scrawled signature and all.
>
>>so apparently what this new version of Adobe has is the capacity to
>>add a quite good optical character recognition of the text. The
>>recognition quality was quite good, better than what I am used to with
>
>>OpenBook.
>
>>So the advantages of this is that:
>
>>1. You have a PDF file with the actual intact original, so if there
>>are any scan errors to figure out, you have the original there for a
>>sighted person to review.
>
>>2. You also have the actual original that you can print and/or send
>>electronically to others. If the person you send it to does not use
>>a screen reading program, then they will not notice any difference
>>between what they see and any other Adobe PDF image only scan.
>
>>3. If the recipient has a screen reader installed, then Adobe knows
>>that, and automatically turns on the converted text imbedded
>>information.
>
>>Oh yes, and there is yet another neat aspect. Although the Adobe
>>text conversion itself is not something you can edit, all you do is
>>select whatever text you want, including using control plus a to
> select all,
>>and paste that in to a Word document. That gives you everything
> that
>>the Adobe text recognition picked up.
>
>>For my Adobe reader software, I have the typical free reader version,
>>so you do not need to have the Adobe Professional version installed
>>except on the machine that has the scanner on it.
>
>>I do not know the cost of the Adobe Professional version software.
>>However, this is the typical software product that most offices now
>>use, and is certainly something that would be affordable by most any
>>office of any size.
>
>
>>Sincerely,
>>Tim Ford
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