[blindlaw] interesting story

Sun May 20 13:18:00 CDT 2007

Well hell, where do I deliver?  Gotta be cheaper than the rent I'm paying 
now... *grin*

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story

> He was charged with some kind of pot delivery across state lines so I
> believe he got to work out daily and eat better food.
>
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> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>
> Did they put him in gen pop or solitary, or was it one of those min sec
> places where they work out all day and go to therapy and eat steak?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
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>
>>I knew a guy who'd spent five years in a federal prison but he didn't try
>>to
>> take a guide dog with him.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:55 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>>
>> *grin* yes, four part harmony and feeling.. glad someone got my
>> reference...
>>
>> One cop who threatened to arrest me said he'd take my dog with me, so I
>> told
>> him that if he really felt strongly enough he could do so, and as long as
>> I
>> wasn't separated from my dog, I would go quietly.  The reverse being
>> implied, of course.  I've never even heard of a blind person going to
>> prison.  Are there any?  I would not do well in gen-pop, however much I
>> think I"m a big mighty warrior.  :)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
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>>
>>> Yes but Mark, we have to sing it in harmony.  I've heard of blind people
>>> going to jail but never with a guide dog.  How about prison?  This is
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:05 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>>>
>>> which brings me to a question:  I have never been arrested, but I've 
>>> been
>>> close a few times, and I wonder: what is the stance on the guide dog 
>>> when
>>> arrested?  I would not want to be separated from my dog, and probably
>>> wouldn't resist arrest, going quietly, could I keep the dog with me in
>>> the
>>> cell?  (Said, kid, I'm gonna put ya in the cell, i want your wallet and
>>> your
>>> belt... and I said Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet, though 
>>> I
>>> don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt
>>> for?
>>>
>>> and he said kid.... we don't want any hangin's....)
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Angie Matney" <angie at mpmail.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>>>
>>>
>>> Kathleen,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing. What a great response!
>>>
>>> I do have to observe that a ten-month-old in Illinois was issued a gun
>>> permit. Yes, this actually happened. Apparently, he was sighted.
>>>
>>> Angie (for stronger gun control in general)
>>>
>>> On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:45 -0600, Kathleen Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well, I feel I must respond to this for a variety of reasons.  First of
>>>>all, I was born and, more or less raised, in North Dakota.  North
>>>>Dakotans are self sufficient above all else.  In fact, right now they
>>>>have legislation pending, I hear, or maybe it's passed by now, which
>>>>would exempt anyone who shot someone in their own house in self defense
>>>>from having to prove any fault.
>>>
>>>>I live in Minnesota, and we have a love-hate relationship with gun
>>>>control here.  I personally think anyone carrying a gun around can be a
>>>>risk to others.  I certainly would include a blind man in that category!
>>>
>>>>When I went to the South Dakota School for the Blind, (yes I went to
>>>>school in South Dakota although I was from North Dakota, but that's a
>>>>story for another day) we got rifle training one year.  It was
>>>>considered so scandalous in the '60's that we made it onto the Paul
>>>>Harvey
>>> Radio News.
>>>>The deal was that a policeman in Aberdeen thought that since policemen
>>>>had to learn to shoot in the dark, that blind people could shoot, and
>>>>the dark wouldn't impede them.  Of course, they set up classes.  No one
>>>>asked whether or not we should have shooting lessons.  The only
>>>>tentative protest was against girls getting the training.  Of course
>>>>that meant I argued vociferously for it.  So we trained with a .22
>>>>one-shot rifle.  At first, someone would stand behind each of us and
>>>>tell us "move a little to the right, to the left, etc." to try to line
>>>>us up with the target.  They thought maybe we would kinesthetically get
>>>>used to where we should be holding the gun to shoot.  When that didn't
>>>>work, they took an oscillator like you'd use for ham radio to send
>>>>Morse code, and placed that behind the target.  We were supposed to try
>>>>to shoot the bulls eye by hearing the beep.
>>>>Our training took place in the bus garage, and there were too many
>>>>echoes to make that work very well.  So finally they came up with
>>>>headphones that were hooked to some kind of sonar beam.  This was about
>>>>the time when they were introducing sonar canes, etc., so this was the
>>>>new kind of gimmick.
>>>>Finally
>>>>it worked.  When we were lined up perfectly, the tone would change, and
>>>>we'd know we could shoot.  I even got a sharp shooter's award for the
>>>>girls side.
>>>>So, I always tell people, if a burglar comes to my house, and if I have
>>>>a .22, and if I can get the one bullet at a time loaded in time, and if
>>>>I have sonar earphones to put on in order to hear the tone to know
>>>>where to shoot to hit the burglar, and if he/she stands in the right
>>>>place, then a gun might be useful to me.
>>>>Kathy Hagen
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:48 PM
>>>>Subject: [blindlaw] interesting story
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>StarTribune.com
>>>>Blind man finds bias in denial of gun permit A North Dakota man who
>>>>says he would only use the gun for self-defense at close range couldn't
>>>>get a permit in Moorhead.
>>>>By
>>>>David Peterson
>>>>, Star Tribune
>>>>Last update: May 15, 2007 Ã¢âat's the
>>>>issue.
>>>>McWilliams, who says he was forced to act as his own attorney for
>>>>financial reasons, hopes to stir up help before a one-year window for
>>> appeal expires.
>>>>He has appealed for help from organizations such as Legal Aid and the
>>>>American Civil Liberties Union, to no avail. Even if his appeal rights
>>>>expire, he said, he would consider filing his own discrimination case.
>>>>He said he has concealed-carry permits from North Dakota as well as 
>>>>Utah.
>>>>States vary quite a lot in how demanding they are of people seeking
>>>>permits, he said, but he insists he can legitimately pass a
>>>>marksmanship test.
>>>>How can he see to shoot when he can't see?
>>>>"That's the deal!" he exclaimed. "I sight in via sound, gravity, body
>>>>position."
>>>
>>>>Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>>>
>>>>LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
>>>>1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
>>>>Denver, Colorado 80222
>>>>303 504-5979 (voice)
>>>>303 757-3640 (fax)
>>>>slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
>>>>www.labarrelaw.com (website)
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