[blindlaw] interesting story

Sun May 20 10:53:43 CDT 2007

Did they put him in gen pop or solitary, or was it one of those min sec 
places where they work out all day and go to therapy and eat steak?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story

>I knew a guy who'd spent five years in a federal prison but he didn't try 
>to
> take a guide dog with him.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:55 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>
> *grin* yes, four part harmony and feeling.. glad someone got my 
> reference...
>
> One cop who threatened to arrest me said he'd take my dog with me, so I 
> told
> him that if he really felt strongly enough he could do so, and as long as 
> I
> wasn't separated from my dog, I would go quietly.  The reverse being
> implied, of course.  I've never even heard of a blind person going to
> prison.  Are there any?  I would not do well in gen-pop, however much I
> think I"m a big mighty warrior.  :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
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>
>> Yes but Mark, we have to sing it in harmony.  I've heard of blind people
>> going to jail but never with a guide dog.  How about prison?  This is
>> interesting.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:05 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>>
>> which brings me to a question:  I have never been arrested, but I've been
>> close a few times, and I wonder: what is the stance on the guide dog when
>> arrested?  I would not want to be separated from my dog, and probably
>> wouldn't resist arrest, going quietly, could I keep the dog with me in 
>> the
>> cell?  (Said, kid, I'm gonna put ya in the cell, i want your wallet and
>> your
>> belt... and I said Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet, though I
>> don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt
>> for?
>>
>> and he said kid.... we don't want any hangin's....)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angie Matney" <angie at mpmail.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>>
>>
>> Kathleen,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. What a great response!
>>
>> I do have to observe that a ten-month-old in Illinois was issued a gun
>> permit. Yes, this actually happened. Apparently, he was sighted.
>>
>> Angie (for stronger gun control in general)
>>
>> On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:45 -0600, Kathleen Hagen wrote:
>>
>>>Well, I feel I must respond to this for a variety of reasons.  First of
>>>all, I was born and, more or less raised, in North Dakota.  North
>>>Dakotans are self sufficient above all else.  In fact, right now they
>>>have legislation pending, I hear, or maybe it's passed by now, which
>>>would exempt anyone who shot someone in their own house in self defense
>>>from having to prove any fault.
>>
>>>I live in Minnesota, and we have a love-hate relationship with gun
>>>control here.  I personally think anyone carrying a gun around can be a
>>>risk to others.  I certainly would include a blind man in that category!
>>
>>>When I went to the South Dakota School for the Blind, (yes I went to
>>>school in South Dakota although I was from North Dakota, but that's a
>>>story for another day) we got rifle training one year.  It was
>>>considered so scandalous in the '60's that we made it onto the Paul 
>>>Harvey
>> Radio News.
>>>The deal was that a policeman in Aberdeen thought that since policemen
>>>had to learn to shoot in the dark, that blind people could shoot, and
>>>the dark wouldn't impede them.  Of course, they set up classes.  No one
>>>asked whether or not we should have shooting lessons.  The only
>>>tentative protest was against girls getting the training.  Of course
>>>that meant I argued vociferously for it.  So we trained with a .22
>>>one-shot rifle.  At first, someone would stand behind each of us and
>>>tell us "move a little to the right, to the left, etc." to try to line
>>>us up with the target.  They thought maybe we would kinesthetically get
>>>used to where we should be holding the gun to shoot.  When that didn't
>>>work, they took an oscillator like you'd use for ham radio to send
>>>Morse code, and placed that behind the target.  We were supposed to try
>>>to shoot the bulls eye by hearing the beep.
>>>Our training took place in the bus garage, and there were too many
>>>echoes to make that work very well.  So finally they came up with
>>>headphones that were hooked to some kind of sonar beam.  This was about
>>>the time when they were introducing sonar canes, etc., so this was the
>>>new kind of gimmick.
>>>Finally
>>>it worked.  When we were lined up perfectly, the tone would change, and
>>>we'd know we could shoot.  I even got a sharp shooter's award for the
>>>girls side.
>>>So, I always tell people, if a burglar comes to my house, and if I have
>>>a .22, and if I can get the one bullet at a time loaded in time, and if
>>>I have sonar earphones to put on in order to hear the tone to know
>>>where to shoot to hit the burglar, and if he/she stands in the right
>>>place, then a gun might be useful to me.
>>>Kathy Hagen
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>>>From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:48 PM
>>>Subject: [blindlaw] interesting story
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>>
>>
>>
>>>StarTribune.com
>>>Blind man finds bias in denial of gun permit A North Dakota man who
>>>says he would only use the gun for self-defense at close range couldn't
>>>get a permit in Moorhead.
>>>By
>>>David Peterson
>>>, Star Tribune
>>>Last update: May 15, 2007 Ã¢âat's the
>>>issue.
>>>McWilliams, who says he was forced to act as his own attorney for
>>>financial reasons, hopes to stir up help before a one-year window for
>> appeal expires.
>>>He has appealed for help from organizations such as Legal Aid and the
>>>American Civil Liberties Union, to no avail. Even if his appeal rights
>>>expire, he said, he would consider filing his own discrimination case.
>>>He said he has concealed-carry permits from North Dakota as well as Utah.
>>>States vary quite a lot in how demanding they are of people seeking
>>>permits, he said, but he insists he can legitimately pass a
>>>marksmanship test.
>>>How can he see to shoot when he can't see?
>>>"That's the deal!" he exclaimed. "I sight in via sound, gravity, body
>>>position."
>>
>>>Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>>
>>>LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
>>>1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
>>>Denver, Colorado 80222
>>>303 504-5979 (voice)
>>>303 757-3640 (fax)
>>>slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
>>>www.labarrelaw.com (website)
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