[blindlaw] interesting story

albert griffith albertpgriffith at hotmail.com
Sat May 19 22:29:36 CDT 2007 

I knew a guy who'd spent five years in a federal prison but he didn't try to
take a guide dog with him.

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
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*grin* yes, four part harmony and feeling.. glad someone got my reference...

One cop who threatened to arrest me said he'd take my dog with me, so I told
him that if he really felt strongly enough he could do so, and as long as I
wasn't separated from my dog, I would go quietly.  The reverse being
implied, of course.  I've never even heard of a blind person going to
prison.  Are there any?  I would not do well in gen-pop, however much I
think I"m a big mighty warrior.  :)

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From: "albert griffith" <albertpgriffith at hotmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story


> Yes but Mark, we have to sing it in harmony.  I've heard of blind people
> going to jail but never with a guide dog.  How about prison?  This is
> interesting.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:05 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>
> which brings me to a question:  I have never been arrested, but I've been
> close a few times, and I wonder: what is the stance on the guide dog when
> arrested?  I would not want to be separated from my dog, and probably
> wouldn't resist arrest, going quietly, could I keep the dog with me in the
> cell?  (Said, kid, I'm gonna put ya in the cell, i want your wallet and
> your
> belt... and I said Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet, though I
> don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt
> for?
>
> and he said kid.... we don't want any hangin's....)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angie Matney" <angie at mpmail.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story
>
>
> Kathleen,
>
> Thanks for sharing. What a great response!
>
> I do have to observe that a ten-month-old in Illinois was issued a gun
> permit. Yes, this actually happened. Apparently, he was sighted.
>
> Angie (for stronger gun control in general)
>
> On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:45 -0600, Kathleen Hagen wrote:
>
>>Well, I feel I must respond to this for a variety of reasons.  First of
>>all, I was born and, more or less raised, in North Dakota.  North
>>Dakotans are self sufficient above all else.  In fact, right now they
>>have legislation pending, I hear, or maybe it's passed by now, which
>>would exempt anyone who shot someone in their own house in self defense
>>from having to prove any fault.
>
>>I live in Minnesota, and we have a love-hate relationship with gun
>>control here.  I personally think anyone carrying a gun around can be a
>>risk to others.  I certainly would include a blind man in that category!
>
>>When I went to the South Dakota School for the Blind, (yes I went to
>>school in South Dakota although I was from North Dakota, but that's a
>>story for another day) we got rifle training one year.  It was
>>considered so scandalous in the '60's that we made it onto the Paul Harvey
> Radio News.
>>The deal was that a policeman in Aberdeen thought that since policemen
>>had to learn to shoot in the dark, that blind people could shoot, and
>>the dark wouldn't impede them.  Of course, they set up classes.  No one
>>asked whether or not we should have shooting lessons.  The only
>>tentative protest was against girls getting the training.  Of course
>>that meant I argued vociferously for it.  So we trained with a .22
>>one-shot rifle.  At first, someone would stand behind each of us and
>>tell us "move a little to the right, to the left, etc." to try to line
>>us up with the target.  They thought maybe we would kinesthetically get
>>used to where we should be holding the gun to shoot.  When that didn't
>>work, they took an oscillator like you'd use for ham radio to send
>>Morse code, and placed that behind the target.  We were supposed to try
>>to shoot the bulls eye by hearing the beep.
>>Our training took place in the bus garage, and there were too many
>>echoes to make that work very well.  So finally they came up with
>>headphones that were hooked to some kind of sonar beam.  This was about
>>the time when they were introducing sonar canes, etc., so this was the
>>new kind of gimmick.
>>Finally
>>it worked.  When we were lined up perfectly, the tone would change, and
>>we'd know we could shoot.  I even got a sharp shooter's award for the
>>girls side.
>>So, I always tell people, if a burglar comes to my house, and if I have
>>a .22, and if I can get the one bullet at a time loaded in time, and if
>>I have sonar earphones to put on in order to hear the tone to know
>>where to shoot to hit the burglar, and if he/she stands in the right
>>place, then a gun might be useful to me.
>>Kathy Hagen
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:48 PM
>>Subject: [blindlaw] interesting story
>
>
>
>
>>StarTribune.com
>>Blind man finds bias in denial of gun permit A North Dakota man who
>>says he would only use the gun for self-defense at close range couldn't
>>get a permit in Moorhead.
>>By
>>David Peterson
>>, Star Tribune
>>Last update: May 15, 2007 ââat's the
>>issue.
>>McWilliams, who says he was forced to act as his own attorney for
>>financial reasons, hopes to stir up help before a one-year window for
> appeal expires.
>>He has appealed for help from organizations such as Legal Aid and the
>>American Civil Liberties Union, to no avail. Even if his appeal rights
>>expire, he said, he would consider filing his own discrimination case.
>>He said he has concealed-carry permits from North Dakota as well as Utah.
>>States vary quite a lot in how demanding they are of people seeking
>>permits, he said, but he insists he can legitimately pass a
>>marksmanship test.
>>How can he see to shoot when he can't see?
>>"That's the deal!" he exclaimed. "I sight in via sound, gravity, body
>>position."
>
>>Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>
>>LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
>>1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
>>Denver, Colorado 80222
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