[blindlaw] interesting story

[albert griffith]

Yes but Mark, we have to sing it in harmony.  I've heard of blind people
going to jail but never with a guide dog.  How about prison?  This is
interesting.

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] interesting story

which brings me to a question:  I have never been arrested, but I've been
close a few times, and I wonder: what is the stance on the guide dog when
arrested?  I would not want to be separated from my dog, and probably
wouldn't resist arrest, going quietly, could I keep the dog with me in the
cell?  (Said, kid, I'm gonna put ya in the cell, i want your wallet and your
belt... and I said Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet, though I
don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?

and he said kid.... we don't want any hangin's....)
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From: "Angie Matney" <angie at mpmail.net>
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:40 PM
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Kathleen,

Thanks for sharing. What a great response!

I do have to observe that a ten-month-old in Illinois was issued a gun
permit. Yes, this actually happened. Apparently, he was sighted.

Angie (for stronger gun control in general)

On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:45 -0600, Kathleen Hagen wrote:

>Well, I feel I must respond to this for a variety of reasons.  First of
>all, I was born and, more or less raised, in North Dakota.  North
>Dakotans are self sufficient above all else.  In fact, right now they
>have legislation pending, I hear, or maybe it's passed by now, which
>would exempt anyone who shot someone in their own house in self defense
>from having to prove any fault.

>I live in Minnesota, and we have a love-hate relationship with gun
>control here.  I personally think anyone carrying a gun around can be a
>risk to others.  I certainly would include a blind man in that category!

>When I went to the South Dakota School for the Blind, (yes I went to
>school in South Dakota although I was from North Dakota, but that's a
>story for another day) we got rifle training one year.  It was
>considered so scandalous in the '60's that we made it onto the Paul Harvey
Radio News.
>The deal was that a policeman in Aberdeen thought that since policemen
>had to learn to shoot in the dark, that blind people could shoot, and
>the dark wouldn't impede them.  Of course, they set up classes.  No one
>asked whether or not we should have shooting lessons.  The only
>tentative protest was against girls getting the training.  Of course
>that meant I argued vociferously for it.  So we trained with a .22
>one-shot rifle.  At first, someone would stand behind each of us and
>tell us "move a little to the right, to the left, etc." to try to line
>us up with the target.  They thought maybe we would kinesthetically get
>used to where we should be holding the gun to shoot.  When that didn't
>work, they took an oscillator like you'd use for ham radio to send
>Morse code, and placed that behind the target.  We were supposed to try
>to shoot the bulls eye by hearing the beep.
>Our training took place in the bus garage, and there were too many
>echoes to make that work very well.  So finally they came up with
>headphones that were hooked to some kind of sonar beam.  This was about
>the time when they were introducing sonar canes, etc., so this was the
>new kind of gimmick.
>Finally
>it worked.  When we were lined up perfectly, the tone would change, and
>we'd know we could shoot.  I even got a sharp shooter's award for the
>girls side.
>So, I always tell people, if a burglar comes to my house, and if I have
>a .22, and if I can get the one bullet at a time loaded in time, and if
>I have sonar earphones to put on in order to hear the tone to know
>where to shoot to hit the burglar, and if he/she stands in the right
>place, then a gun might be useful to me.
>Kathy Hagen
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:48 PM
>Subject: [blindlaw] interesting story




>StarTribune.com
>Blind man finds bias in denial of gun permit A North Dakota man who
>says he would only use the gun for self-defense at close range couldn't
>get a permit in Moorhead.
>By
>David Peterson
>, Star Tribune
>Last update: May 15, 2007 ââat's the
>issue.
>McWilliams, who says he was forced to act as his own attorney for
>financial reasons, hopes to stir up help before a one-year window for
appeal expires.
>He has appealed for help from organizations such as Legal Aid and the
>American Civil Liberties Union, to no avail. Even if his appeal rights
>expire, he said, he would consider filing his own discrimination case.
>He said he has concealed-carry permits from North Dakota as well as Utah.
>States vary quite a lot in how demanding they are of people seeking
>permits, he said, but he insists he can legitimately pass a
>marksmanship test.
>How can he see to shoot when he can't see?
>"That's the deal!" he exclaimed. "I sight in via sound, gravity, body
>position."

>Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

>LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
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