From missheather at comcast.net  Sun Sep 10 01:31:17 2017
From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 20:31:17 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] video of baby budgies
Message-ID: <9086F52A57A641AC92F1D55D908C17D1@HFofficePC>

Hello Himanshu,
Would you please send me the link to the video of the baby budgies lining up to feed, which you mentioned at the parent meeting last week?

Thank you so much.

Warmly,
Heather

From hayjud at cox.net  Sun Sep 10 16:04:12 2017
From: hayjud at cox.net (Judy Smothermon)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:04:12 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
Message-ID: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>

I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good questions to ask? 
Thank you in advance, Judy

Judy Smothermon



From ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 16:10:08 2017
From: ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com (Amanda Nachtmann)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:10:08 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
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Ask what technology they are teaching her? How much ti.e she gets in the
classroom? Is there anything you've noticed that's not brailled? Ask them
If she's finding her pages, handing in her homework, etc just like everyone
else. If not ask why? Ask them what other things they are doing for her?
Ask if they are working on expanded core curriculum.

On Sep 10, 2017 11:05 AM, "Judy Smothermon via blindkid" <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
> IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
> service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
> back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
> prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
> questions to ask?
> Thank you in advance, Judy
>
> Judy Smothermon
>
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From hayjud at cox.net  Sun Sep 10 16:22:57 2017
From: hayjud at cox.net (Judy Smothermon)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:22:57 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
In-Reply-To: <7sBZ1w0062qgo5R01sBa0p>
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	<7sBZ1w0062qgo5R01sBa0p>
Message-ID: <FEB61759-174D-4F0B-865C-502BB928A842@cox.net>

Thank you!

Judy Smothermon

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Amanda Nachtmann via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ask what technology they are teaching her? How much ti.e she gets in the
> classroom? Is there anything you've noticed that's not brailled? Ask them
> If she's finding her pages, handing in her homework, etc just like everyone
> else. If not ask why? Ask them what other things they are doing for her?
> Ask if they are working on expanded core curriculum.
> 
> On Sep 10, 2017 11:05 AM, "Judy Smothermon via blindkid" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
>> IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
>> service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
>> back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
>> prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
>> questions to ask?
>> Thank you in advance, Judy
>> 
>> Judy Smothermon
>> 
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From misokwak at ucla.edu  Sun Sep 10 16:33:26 2017
From: misokwak at ucla.edu (MISO KWAK)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 09:33:26 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
In-Reply-To: <CAE+=CnMLgWKFdbsRgMSgLXbDTapy6woj3VoDv-4vq4KKJzw78A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
	<CAE+=CnMLgWKFdbsRgMSgLXbDTapy6woj3VoDv-4vq4KKJzw78A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG_vPvO1Arui_qmMY4U1KOYOvm87cyzC76FhOLK7UpKqrwtfLw@mail.gmail.com>

Judy,
I am not a parent but someone who went through the IEP process as a
blind student in the K-12 system.
Some questions I can think of (for yourself and maybe for the IEP meeting)
1. How is she doing socially with her peers?
2. Her involvement in extracurricular activities?
3. Is she meeting academic milestones just like typically developing peers?

Not a question but as a suggestion, I would like you to consider
involving your daughter in the meeting, and asking her if she has any
question or comment. I personally got involved in my own IEP meeting
starting from middle school, which was my first IEP meeting. (I went
to elementary school in Asia so no IEP there).
Those IEP meetings were emotionally hard for me but looking back I
think it was beneficial for my self-advocacy skills and personal
growth. You know your daughter best so I trust your judgement; just
wanted to give this suggestion because it seems like some of students
don't get a chance to sit in their own IEP meetings until too late.

Best,
Miso Kwak

On 9/10/17, Amanda Nachtmann via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ask what technology they are teaching her? How much ti.e she gets in the
> classroom? Is there anything you've noticed that's not brailled? Ask them
> If she's finding her pages, handing in her homework, etc just like everyone
> else. If not ask why? Ask them what other things they are doing for her?
> Ask if they are working on expanded core curriculum.
>
> On Sep 10, 2017 11:05 AM, "Judy Smothermon via blindkid" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her
>> big
>> IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
>> service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
>> back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
>> prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
>> questions to ask?
>> Thank you in advance, Judy
>>
>> Judy Smothermon
>>
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-- 
Miso Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897



From advocate at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 10 17:01:21 2017
From: advocate at earthlink.net (Marianne Haas)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 10:01:21 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
In-Reply-To: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
References: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00b501d32a56$6db949d0$492bdd70$@earthlink.net>

Hi Judy,
Have you received all the assessment results and studied them.  Also, have
you received all your rights and responsibilities and proposed goals?  By
the way, what state do you live in?  If you are in CA, I may be able to help
you.  Have you received the Safe Guards?  If you want to talk, even if you
are not living in CA, you can email me privately as I used to be a Teacher
of the Visually Impaired.  I promised myself to empower the parents, as I
have seen a lot of injustice in the school system.  I am myself almost
totally blind.

Best Regards,

Marianne 
advocate at earthlink.net




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To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Cc: Judy Smothermon
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP

I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
questions to ask? 
Thank you in advance, Judy

Judy Smothermon

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From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 17:09:43 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 13:09:43 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
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References: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CACsEhV+D-LvtrK5gz3_q48vFL8+xozbz8NW7En-nDjoc63-ppA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Judy,

Is this a "big" IEP in the sense that new evaluations have been done?  If
yes, have you had a chance to see the results yet?  I always wanted to see
them in advance so that we would feel broad-sided at the meeting with
something negative.

How do you think your daughter is doing in school?  Is she meeting last
year's IEP goals?  Have the goals been appropriate?  Do you feel the school
has been provided good, appropriate services?

Will you have a chance to see the IEP in advance?  It is not supposed to be
presented to you as a done deal--it is supposed to be collaboratively
created by all members of the team, including parents :-).

If you see the IEP in advance or for the first time at the meeting, do the
goals seem appropriate?  Do you have other goals you'd like the school to
be working on?  If yes, bring them to the meeting.

Hope this is helpful.

Carol


Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Judy Smothermon via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
> IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
> service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
> back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
> prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
> questions to ask?
> Thank you in advance, Judy
>
> Judy Smothermon
>
> _______________________________________________
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From deniserob at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 17:56:22 2017
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 13:56:22 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
In-Reply-To: <CACsEhV+D-LvtrK5gz3_q48vFL8+xozbz8NW7En-nDjoc63-ppA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
	<CACsEhV+D-LvtrK5gz3_q48vFL8+xozbz8NW7En-nDjoc63-ppA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxsd_4wLpYKTOWWfD6HzfGQ3Nmy4QDdiNd0Mgvxcw9h-c3=Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Judy

Questions: Is the TVI teaching my daughter braille certified? Can she teach
all aspects of Nemeth code.

Is she fluent with Jaws, NVDA and braille displays on a PC computer to
teach her all the Microsoft suite programs as well as the school platform,
internet searching and all aspects of how to make image documents into text
so she can access work as fast as her peers and complete it in as timely a
manner as her peers. Can she email work and receive work from teachers by
herself?

Is she completing all the same work as her peers in the same timely manner?
If not-why?
Does she do hours of homework every night and if so- why?

The PC computer and Office suite and google are they most used products in
the world--if she wants a job she needs to know these proficient with
talking software and a braille display. Is she on this path of learning
these skills.

How is she completing all her math assignments? Can she show all her work
in a word document that she can email to a teacher and can the teacher use
track changes to send back the work so your child can read it independently?

Is she fully independent in the class or does she need a para? What are you
doing to make her independent so she no longer needs someone helping her?

Those are a few questions you may already know the answers to and to ask of
her team

Blessings


*Dr Denise M Robinson*

Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD

Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
Impaired
425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com


?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?






On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Carol Castellano via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Judy,
>
> Is this a "big" IEP in the sense that new evaluations have been done?  If
> yes, have you had a chance to see the results yet?  I always wanted to see
> them in advance so that we would feel broad-sided at the meeting with
> something negative.
>
> How do you think your daughter is doing in school?  Is she meeting last
> year's IEP goals?  Have the goals been appropriate?  Do you feel the school
> has been provided good, appropriate services?
>
> Will you have a chance to see the IEP in advance?  It is not supposed to be
> presented to you as a done deal--it is supposed to be collaboratively
> created by all members of the team, including parents :-).
>
> If you see the IEP in advance or for the first time at the meeting, do the
> goals seem appropriate?  Do you have other goals you'd like the school to
> be working on?  If yes, bring them to the meeting.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Carol
>
>
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Judy Smothermon via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her
> big
> > IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
> > service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
> > back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
> > prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
> > questions to ask?
> > Thank you in advance, Judy
> >
> > Judy Smothermon
> >
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From bo.page at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 10 18:16:12 2017
From: bo.page at sbcglobal.net (Bo Page)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 18:16:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
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Message-ID: <758260671.6416039.1505067372636@mail.yahoo.com>

In a nutshell,? your daughter should be learning/doing exactly what her sighted classmates are required to do.? If she's struggling to keep up, the school system must provide her with the tools she needs to have the same education.? This includes all technology. 


      From: Judy Smothermon via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
 To: blindkid at nfbnet.org 
Cc: Judy Smothermon <hayjud at cox.net>
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 12:05 PM
 Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
   
I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good questions to ask? 
Thank you in advance, Judy

Judy Smothermon

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From pburmahln at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 10 18:24:15 2017
From: pburmahln at yahoo.com (Pui)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:24:15 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
In-Reply-To: <CACsEhV+D-LvtrK5gz3_q48vFL8+xozbz8NW7En-nDjoc63-ppA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
	<CACsEhV+D-LvtrK5gz3_q48vFL8+xozbz8NW7En-nDjoc63-ppA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2DE42D-1E58-4A87-B560-DF68810A47BD@yahoo.com>

If you feel like she gets excellent service but then they try to change part of that service (as has happened with us) tell them you will 'stay put' on current service. Do not sign the IEP at the meeting, do it after you have taken it home and reviewed thoroughly. Ask for summer services. Ask for equipment at home. Ask for parent conference time to be added to the IEP; that you consult with the TVI twice a month for x minutes. Ask for parental education on assistive technology. Ask how state testing will be done, accommodations. My third grade VI child also has his IEP coming up.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Judy,
> 
> Is this a "big" IEP in the sense that new evaluations have been done?  If
> yes, have you had a chance to see the results yet?  I always wanted to see
> them in advance so that we would feel broad-sided at the meeting with
> something negative.
> 
> How do you think your daughter is doing in school?  Is she meeting last
> year's IEP goals?  Have the goals been appropriate?  Do you feel the school
> has been provided good, appropriate services?
> 
> Will you have a chance to see the IEP in advance?  It is not supposed to be
> presented to you as a done deal--it is supposed to be collaboratively
> created by all members of the team, including parents :-).
> 
> If you see the IEP in advance or for the first time at the meeting, do the
> goals seem appropriate?  Do you have other goals you'd like the school to
> be working on?  If yes, bring them to the meeting.
> 
> Hope this is helpful.
> 
> Carol
> 
> 
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Judy Smothermon via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
>> IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
>> service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
>> back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
>> prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
>> questions to ask?
>> Thank you in advance, Judy
>> 
>> Judy Smothermon
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From tegle at oakton.edu  Sun Sep 10 21:10:52 2017
From: tegle at oakton.edu (Tina Egle)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:10:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
Message-ID: <54894.73.209.246.208.1505077852.squirrel@borg.oakton.edu>

Hello Dr. Robinson,

My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he turns
22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
to out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code,
no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
College, he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement
test for English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College
with no basic knowledge of Math?

Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?

Thank you,

Tina Egle Mother of Justin

cell 847/577-7500




From missheather at comcast.net  Sun Sep 10 21:21:08 2017
From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:21:08 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
In-Reply-To: <CAE+=CnMLgWKFdbsRgMSgLXbDTapy6woj3VoDv-4vq4KKJzw78A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D9156E25-38B6-4384-AB3F-97E04B04AE7D@cox.net>
	<CAE+=CnMLgWKFdbsRgMSgLXbDTapy6woj3VoDv-4vq4KKJzw78A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F7EB8A11CBA4B258D3C665077F86BB0@HFofficePC>

Hello Judy,
these are all wonderful suggestions, particularly the one that Carol gave 
you concerning getting a copy of the IEP before the meeting so that you can 
review it, and make additions, deletions etc.. I advise parents with whom I 
work to always get a copy first and to cancel the meeting and reschedule if 
they don't receive the copy.
Staff don't like it when they need to reschedule so they usually make sure a 
copy is forthcoming before the meeting.

The other suggestion I would make regards the level and kind of involvement 
of an aide. If your daughter has an aide assigned to her, and I imagine she 
does, you need to know exactly what the aide does with and/or for your 
daughter and where she sits/stands, how she interacts with your daughter, or 
other students in the classroom, how much time she spends in one-on-one work 
with your daughter and so on.
By this time, your daughter should be working pretty much independently in 
the classroom setting, and her aide should be stepping right back and only 
intervening when your daughter needs assistance with an activity where 
pictures need to be described, or when your daughter signals to her, by an 
agreed signal, that she has a question or needs help.
The aide should mostly be involved behind the scenes, preparing 
materials/resources, finding out what raised-line drawings or diagrams, 
maps, science resources etc. might be needed in upcoming lessons and 
preparing them for your daughter's use in class. Braille transcription is a 
desirable ability for an aide to have, though many don't. It is so helpful 
if the aide can do the bulk of resource prep, thus freeing the TBS to give 
your daughter face-to-face time where needed, rather than having to produce 
resources.

Your daughter needs to be learning to advocate for herself in the classroom, 
learning to try to do a challenging activity before asking for help, 
learning to ask peers for information and assistance, finding her place/role 
in working groups without adult intervention and so on.
If the school still has the aide as involved now as she was in the early 
grades, eg. meeting her at the bus, sitting beside her in the classroom, 
helping her in the cafeteria and standing by watching, walking with her in 
class lines in transit between rooms, etc., then goals for the organised 
"stepping back" of the teacher aide are absolutely essential to have in this 
IEP.

When the time comes for this "stepping back" of the aide, I recommend 
parents purchase a copy of Carol Castellano's really great book:
Making it Work: Educating the Blind/visually Impaired Student in the Regular 
School.
There is an excellent and very comprehensive chapter on the role of the aide 
in the classroom. I recommend that parents give the book, or a photocopy of 
that chapter if teachers express disinterest in receiving a book, to the 
Teacher of Blind Students, student's classroom teacher, the special ed. 
teacher who usually collaborates in preparing IEPs, and to the principal or 
the deputy principal, whichever one usually attends the IEP meeting with 
you.
The teachers mean well and don't want to distress the student by removing 
supports, however, such supports are debilitating to the development of 
student independence in the educational setting if they are left in place 
when the student is capable of learning to function without them. They need 
to be convinced that the process can be empowering and good for the student.
Teachers are usually willing to include goals on increasing student 
independence by reducing face-to-face aide time if they find them already 
written for them in the book, and they are reassured that the student will 
not be adversely affected if they see that the procedure can be done in a 
sequential and organised manner.
.
If you believe it's time for these goals to be part of your daughter's IEP, 
but they don't appear in the draft they give you, I would speak to the 
special ed. teacher or class teacher to ask why not. If they say that they 
don't believe such goals are necessary yet, you must prepare to present your 
argument in the IEP meeting as to why they are necessary. This presentation 
will include providing a handout for the whole group, containing the list of 
goals you've put together, taken from the information in Carol's book, and 
you briefly talking your way through the list explaining why you believe 
they're necessary. It is at times like these that the low expectations that 
some educators hold for blind students will surface, and you can deal with 
them. You must be brave in the face of opposition, knowing that you are the 
expert on your child, and that what you believe about the competence of your 
blind child is based on the reality of what you see in your Federation 
family, who are collectively the experts on blindness.

In all the IEP meetings which I have attended with parents who have followed 
this procedure, teachers have agreed with our presentation and have included 
the recommendations/goals. They are always more willing if the work has been 
done for them and they can simply copy the goals from the handout you give 
them. Teachers are very busy and overworked and this really shows at the 
beginning and end of the school year when so many IEPs must be dealt with. 
Nevertheless, this would be an issue to be prepared to work on and persist 
on getting into the IEP.
Your daughter is fortunate to have parents who understand the importance of 
being equal partners in her education.
All the best with your upcoming IEP meeting.

Warmly,
Heather Field






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-----Original Message----- 
From: Amanda Nachtmann via blindkid
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 11:10 AM
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Cc: Amanda Nachtmann
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Questions for IEP

Ask what technology they are teaching her? How much ti.e she gets in the
classroom? Is there anything you've noticed that's not brailled? Ask them
If she's finding her pages, handing in her homework, etc just like everyone
else. If not ask why? Ask them what other things they are doing for her?
Ask if they are working on expanded core curriculum.

On Sep 10, 2017 11:05 AM, "Judy Smothermon via blindkid" <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
> IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
> service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
> back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
> prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
> questions to ask?
> Thank you in advance, Judy
>
> Judy Smothermon
>
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From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 21:47:40 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 17:47:40 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
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Speak to a lawyer asap!

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hello Dr. Robinson,
>
> My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he turns
> 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
> to out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code,
> no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
> College, he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement
> test for English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College
> with no basic knowledge of Math?
>
> Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tina Egle Mother of Justin
>
> cell 847/577-7500
>
>
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From jyanez112 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 22:19:03 2017
From: jyanez112 at gmail.com (Julie Yanez)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:19:03 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
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I believe there is a Form of the "No child left behind act" being neglected
here. This is completely unfair to your child in becoming an independent
adult.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:49 PM Carol Castellano via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Speak to a lawyer asap!
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Hello Dr. Robinson,
> >
> > My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he
> turns
> > 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
> > to out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code,
> > no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
> > College, he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement
> > test for English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College
> > with no basic knowledge of Math?
> >
> > Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tina Egle Mother of Justin
> >
> > cell 847/577-7500
> >
> >
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From dkent5817 at att.net  Sun Sep 10 23:18:30 2017
From: dkent5817 at att.net (Deborah Kent Stein)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 18:18:30 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
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Future Reflections recently ran a special issue about IEPs, Volume 36,
Number 2. The feature article is a detailed explanation of the IEP and what
it should include by TVI, attorney, and parent Carlton Walker. You can find
the online version by visiting www.nfb.org and clicking on Publications.



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To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
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Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP

I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
questions to ask? 
Thank you in advance, Judy

Judy Smothermon

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From marianne at denningweb.com  Mon Sep 11 00:15:34 2017
From: marianne at denningweb.com (Marianne Denning)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:15:34 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
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	<CACsEhVKBJDE6eZW5ftpsVsuREyDsskvCPedumnhuk9qb4gJvpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALOZGC04AGUm50q0f5WjRhUr5ViO1u_1eS0P=enQDwsLw-BYrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Your son can take a Namath course from Hadley. He can also take some math classes from Hadley. I know that doesn't help in the short-term but it may be helpful in the long term.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Julie Yanez via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I believe there is a Form of the "No child left behind act" being neglected
> here. This is completely unfair to your child in becoming an independent
> adult.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:49 PM Carol Castellano via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Speak to a lawyer asap!
>> 
>> Carol
>> 
>> Carol Castellano
>> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>> 973-377-0976
>> carol_castellano at verizon.net
>> www.blindchildren.org
>> www.nopbc.org
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Dr. Robinson,
>>> 
>>> My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he
>> turns
>>> 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
>>> to out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code,
>>> no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
>>> College, he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement
>>> test for English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College
>>> with no basic knowledge of Math?
>>> 
>>> Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Tina Egle Mother of Justin
>>> 
>>> cell 847/577-7500
>>> 
>>> 
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From lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu  Mon Sep 11 00:16:39 2017
From: lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu (Lydia Anne Schuck)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 00:16:39 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
In-Reply-To: <CALOZGC04AGUm50q0f5WjRhUr5ViO1u_1eS0P=enQDwsLw-BYrg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CACsEhVKBJDE6eZW5ftpsVsuREyDsskvCPedumnhuk9qb4gJvpQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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Michigan has special ed services until 26, only state that has that.


________________________________
From: blindkid <blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Julie Yanez via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:19:03 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
Cc: Julie Yanez
Subject: Re: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one extra year?

I believe there is a Form of the "No child left behind act" being neglected
here. This is completely unfair to your child in becoming an independent
adult.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:49 PM Carol Castellano via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Speak to a lawyer asap!
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org<http://www.blindchildren.org>
> www.nopbc.org<http://www.nopbc.org>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Hello Dr. Robinson,
> >
> > My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he
> turns
> > 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
> > to out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code,
> > no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
> > College, he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement
> > test for English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College
> > with no basic knowledge of Math?
> >
> > Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tina Egle Mother of Justin
> >
> > cell 847/577-7500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 11 02:56:10 2017
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (rjaquiss)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 20:56:10 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
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Hello Tina:

     If your son has no math skills, he has a much bigger problem than not
knowing Nemeth. I would think he would need a math tutor and someone to help
learn Nemeth braille. Did he also miss out on science? An Associates degree
will likely require the taking of a science course. The college will expect
that students have had two years of high school science. Perhaps your
community college has some GED prep courses that can fill in the gaps. Hope
this helps.

Regards,

Robert


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via blindkid
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:11 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Cc: Tina Egle
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one extra
year?

Hello Dr. Robinson,

My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he turns
22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going to
out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code, no
math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from College,
he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement test for
English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College with no
basic knowledge of Math?

Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?

Thank you,

Tina Egle Mother of Justin

cell 847/577-7500


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From bo.page at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 11 12:58:33 2017
From: bo.page at sbcglobal.net (Bo Page)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:58:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
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	<001801d32aa9$861c0820$92541860$@earthlink.net>
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My daughter (blind) has dyscalculia.? Teachers tried every way to teach her math in school.? I was told however that colleges must allow a student to enter college without taking math.? I have never tested it, but I wanted to put it out there in case you're interested in inquiring.

      From: rjaquiss via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
 To: "'Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)'" <blindkid at nfbnet.org> 
Cc: rjaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
   
Hello Tina:

? ? If your son has no math skills, he has a much bigger problem than not
knowing Nemeth. I would think he would need a math tutor and someone to help
learn Nemeth braille. Did he also miss out on science? An Associates degree
will likely require the taking of a science course. The college will expect
that students have had two years of high school science. Perhaps your
community college has some GED prep courses that can fill in the gaps. Hope
this helps.

Regards,

Robert


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via blindkid
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:11 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Cc: Tina Egle
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one extra
year?

Hello Dr. Robinson,

My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he turns
22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going to
out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code, no
math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from College,
he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement test for
English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College with no
basic knowledge of Math?

Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?

Thank you,

Tina Egle Mother of Justin

cell 847/577-7500


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From deniserob at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 13:09:43 2017
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:09:43 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
In-Reply-To: <001801d32aa9$861c0820$92541860$@earthlink.net>
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Tina,

Robert raised a great question.

Here are options and I am sure you need to contact a lawyer on the
following if you want your child educated= compensatory services

First, WHY was he never taught math skills or nemeth? My guess is if he
does not know this area, he does not know many others. Back to the IDEA law

When a child is not educated in all areas like all other children you can
have the school--through a lawyer--ask for compensatory services which
basically means--yes, you need to go to due process and the school ends up
paying for after graduation services to fill in those gaps that he never
got in his k-12 education.

 It would be very important to find a qualified person to teach him needed
skills and back to the---how many other areas of education did he not get.
Many goals are written to the skill level of the TVI to teach versus "what
the child needs." No, it is not supposed to be that way but TVIs are not
going to write goals they cannot teach. That is true for all people BTW not
just TVIs

Blindness skills are so specialized and it takes a lot of education on the
TVIs part to learn the skills. If they do not have them, then it is very
important that parents FIND someone who is to add to their child's
education. TVIs typically have great skills--but not all so once again
parents need to be aware of this then you find a qualified person.

I know--WOW, you are thinking--isn't this the schools job. Schools do not
know. They do not know what a qualified TVI really is because it is so
specialized. When they hire a TVI they believe that this person has all the
skills so they will not know what to look for--you will, so start looking.

But at this age--the way to get services is either compensatory thru a
lawyer taking u thru due process for this time or DVR after school but you
won't get daily instruction thru DVR typically. If your child needs lots of
skills--compensatory is the way to go.

Many suits on this that have gone thru on this so your child gets that
specialized instruction after graduation.

Blessings going forward


*Dr Denise M Robinson*

Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD

Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
Impaired
425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com


?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?






On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:56 PM, rjaquiss via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hello Tina:
>
>      If your son has no math skills, he has a much bigger problem than not
> knowing Nemeth. I would think he would need a math tutor and someone to
> help
> learn Nemeth braille. Did he also miss out on science? An Associates degree
> will likely require the taking of a science course. The college will expect
> that students have had two years of high school science. Perhaps your
> community college has some GED prep courses that can fill in the gaps. Hope
> this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Egle
> via blindkid
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:11 PM
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Tina Egle
> Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one extra
> year?
>
> Hello Dr. Robinson,
>
> My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he turns
> 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
> to
> out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code, no
> math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from College,
> he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement test for
> English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College with no
> basic knowledge of Math?
>
> Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tina Egle Mother of Justin
>
> cell 847/577-7500
>
>
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From Diane.Brauner at Perkins.org  Mon Sep 11 13:31:11 2017
From: Diane.Brauner at Perkins.org (Diane.Brauner at Perkins.org)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:31:11 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP
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As an educator, I am excited when parents actively participate in IEP meetings, ask questions, provide input - especially on how the student handles homework and how the student feels about school, peers, etc.  Parents like you - who are actively seeking information from other sources - are also aware of the daily ins/outs of how the student is doing in school.  If your daughter has an any issue, you are probably already aware of it and working with her educational team to resolve it.  Support from home makes all the difference!

From your original statement, it sounds like your daughter has excellent service.  I?m assuming that her academic skills are inline with her peers, so you are probably seeking information about additional skills related to her visual impairment. Prior to the meeting, I would learn as much as you can about what skills your daughter?s class will be learning this year and what tools your daughter needs to accomplish these skills.  In this digital age, tech skills are critical for all students!  Technology, with its built-in accessibility, can level the playing field for students who are visually impaired! Here are some tech-related questions to consider for her IEP.  Are there any modifications that she needs to access materials used? You did not mention what is your daughter?s preferred learning media (print, large print/magnification/braille or a combination). What technology does she currently use and what tech skills will be needed?  Are there apps that will help her access materials, such as a screen sharing app to view what is on the board if she is low vision or an accessible calculator app? Does she use a screen reader?  What is the speed of the speech rate on her screen reader? Does she keyboard/type efficiently? Does she receive and read books from Bookshare? To help jump-start tech discussions, here is a post that lists general tech skills required for mainstream high schoolers and for fifth graders; the post also adds tech skills for students who are visually impaired. Mastering Tech Skills: When and What?<http://www.perkinselearning.org/technology/blog/mastering-tech-skills-when-and-what>

Hope this helps!

Diane

On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Deborah Kent Stein via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindkid at nfbnet.org>> wrote:



Future Reflections recently ran a special issue about IEPs, Volume 36,
Number 2. The feature article is a detailed explanation of the IEP and what
it should include by TVI, attorney, and parent Carlton Walker. You can find
the online version by visiting www.nfb.org<http://www.nfb.org/> and clicking on Publications.



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From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
Smothermon via blindkid
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 11:04 AM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Judy Smothermon <hayjud at cox.net<mailto:hayjud at cox.net>>
Subject: [blindkid] Questions for IEP

I have a nine year old daughter that is visually impaired, she has her big
IEP meeting coming up in two weeks. Although she is provided excellent
service, as her parent I don't just want to go into this meeting sitting
back with no questions to ask. Can anyone offer any good advise on how to
prepare my husband and I to be our child's advocate, what are some good
questions to ask?
Thank you in advance, Judy

Judy Smothermon

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From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 13:48:08 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:48:08 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
In-Reply-To: <CAAxsd_7yKga0G+uTDi753DrYLhBZX90PBRs_sqvANjk7NftiLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54894.73.209.246.208.1505077852.squirrel@borg.oakton.edu>
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Message-ID: <CACsEhVKKY=rJ-HEbDNUEu9zFH20S9Exo23VS4jq8K-SHEO5U-A@mail.gmail.com>

Amen.

Call a lawyer now, before more of the school year goes by!

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Dr. Denise M Robinson via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Tina,
>
> Robert raised a great question.
>
> Here are options and I am sure you need to contact a lawyer on the
> following if you want your child educated= compensatory services
>
> First, WHY was he never taught math skills or nemeth? My guess is if he
> does not know this area, he does not know many others. Back to the IDEA law
>
> When a child is not educated in all areas like all other children you can
> have the school--through a lawyer--ask for compensatory services which
> basically means--yes, you need to go to due process and the school ends up
> paying for after graduation services to fill in those gaps that he never
> got in his k-12 education.
>
>  It would be very important to find a qualified person to teach him needed
> skills and back to the---how many other areas of education did he not get.
> Many goals are written to the skill level of the TVI to teach versus "what
> the child needs." No, it is not supposed to be that way but TVIs are not
> going to write goals they cannot teach. That is true for all people BTW not
> just TVIs
>
> Blindness skills are so specialized and it takes a lot of education on the
> TVIs part to learn the skills. If they do not have them, then it is very
> important that parents FIND someone who is to add to their child's
> education. TVIs typically have great skills--but not all so once again
> parents need to be aware of this then you find a qualified person.
>
> I know--WOW, you are thinking--isn't this the schools job. Schools do not
> know. They do not know what a qualified TVI really is because it is so
> specialized. When they hire a TVI they believe that this person has all the
> skills so they will not know what to look for--you will, so start looking.
>
> But at this age--the way to get services is either compensatory thru a
> lawyer taking u thru due process for this time or DVR after school but you
> won't get daily instruction thru DVR typically. If your child needs lots of
> skills--compensatory is the way to go.
>
> Many suits on this that have gone thru on this so your child gets that
> specialized instruction after graduation.
>
> Blessings going forward
>
>
> *Dr Denise M Robinson*
>
> Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD
>
> Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
> Impaired
> 425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com
>
>
> ?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:56 PM, rjaquiss via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Hello Tina:
> >
> >      If your son has no math skills, he has a much bigger problem than
> not
> > knowing Nemeth. I would think he would need a math tutor and someone to
> > help
> > learn Nemeth braille. Did he also miss out on science? An Associates
> degree
> > will likely require the taking of a science course. The college will
> expect
> > that students have had two years of high school science. Perhaps your
> > community college has some GED prep courses that can fill in the gaps.
> Hope
> > this helps.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina
> Egle
> > via blindkid
> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:11 PM
> > To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Tina Egle
> > Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one
> extra
> > year?
> >
> > Hello Dr. Robinson,
> >
> > My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he
> turns
> > 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
> > to
> > out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code, no
> > math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
> College,
> > he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement test for
> > English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College with no
> > basic knowledge of Math?
> >
> > Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tina Egle Mother of Justin
> >
> > cell 847/577-7500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > blindkid mailing list
> > blindkid at nfbnet.org
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From candice.attrill at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 15:56:51 2017
From: candice.attrill at gmail.com (candice.attrill)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 11:56:51 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
In-Reply-To: <54894.73.209.246.208.1505077852.squirrel@borg.oakton.edu>
References: <54894.73.209.246.208.1505077852.squirrel@borg.oakton.edu>
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for the nemith for part of this I would definitely look into Hadley. One thing I will say is the community college that I attended made us all take a placer test before putting us in any math class. They also included mac 092, math 094, and math 098 before starting at the math 100 level. These were to cover in gaps from high school math. I do not know if your college offers such an option. I ended up starting at math 098. before going on to do math 104. I also agree that there should be some other pieces looked into how did that affect science for example?
regards
Candice

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Dr. Robinson,
> 
> My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he turns
> 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
> to out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code,
> no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
> College, he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement
> test for English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College
> with no basic knowledge of Math?
> 
> Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Tina Egle Mother of Justin
> 
> cell 847/577-7500
> 
> 
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From hpscheffer at aol.com  Mon Sep 11 17:04:06 2017
From: hpscheffer at aol.com (hpscheffer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:04:06 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
In-Reply-To: <CACsEhVKKY=rJ-HEbDNUEu9zFH20S9Exo23VS4jq8K-SHEO5U-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54894.73.209.246.208.1505077852.squirrel@borg.oakton.edu>
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I got great help from a lawyer from a non profit in my state Disability Rights organization, they were very well informed on all levels of school obligations, you may have such organization in your state. 

Good luck!

Heidi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Amen.
> 
> Call a lawyer now, before more of the school year goes by!
> 
> Carol
> 
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Dr. Denise M Robinson via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Tina,
>> 
>> Robert raised a great question.
>> 
>> Here are options and I am sure you need to contact a lawyer on the
>> following if you want your child educated= compensatory services
>> 
>> First, WHY was he never taught math skills or nemeth? My guess is if he
>> does not know this area, he does not know many others. Back to the IDEA law
>> 
>> When a child is not educated in all areas like all other children you can
>> have the school--through a lawyer--ask for compensatory services which
>> basically means--yes, you need to go to due process and the school ends up
>> paying for after graduation services to fill in those gaps that he never
>> got in his k-12 education.
>> 
>> It would be very important to find a qualified person to teach him needed
>> skills and back to the---how many other areas of education did he not get.
>> Many goals are written to the skill level of the TVI to teach versus "what
>> the child needs." No, it is not supposed to be that way but TVIs are not
>> going to write goals they cannot teach. That is true for all people BTW not
>> just TVIs
>> 
>> Blindness skills are so specialized and it takes a lot of education on the
>> TVIs part to learn the skills. If they do not have them, then it is very
>> important that parents FIND someone who is to add to their child's
>> education. TVIs typically have great skills--but not all so once again
>> parents need to be aware of this then you find a qualified person.
>> 
>> I know--WOW, you are thinking--isn't this the schools job. Schools do not
>> know. They do not know what a qualified TVI really is because it is so
>> specialized. When they hire a TVI they believe that this person has all the
>> skills so they will not know what to look for--you will, so start looking.
>> 
>> But at this age--the way to get services is either compensatory thru a
>> lawyer taking u thru due process for this time or DVR after school but you
>> won't get daily instruction thru DVR typically. If your child needs lots of
>> skills--compensatory is the way to go.
>> 
>> Many suits on this that have gone thru on this so your child gets that
>> specialized instruction after graduation.
>> 
>> Blessings going forward
>> 
>> 
>> *Dr Denise M Robinson*
>> 
>> Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD
>> 
>> Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
>> Impaired
>> 425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com
>> 
>> 
>> ?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:56 PM, rjaquiss via blindkid <
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Tina:
>>> 
>>>     If your son has no math skills, he has a much bigger problem than
>> not
>>> knowing Nemeth. I would think he would need a math tutor and someone to
>>> help
>>> learn Nemeth braille. Did he also miss out on science? An Associates
>> degree
>>> will likely require the taking of a science course. The college will
>> expect
>>> that students have had two years of high school science. Perhaps your
>>> community college has some GED prep courses that can fill in the gaps.
>> Hope
>>> this helps.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina
>> Egle
>>> via blindkid
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:11 PM
>>> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Tina Egle
>>> Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one
>> extra
>>> year?
>>> 
>>> Hello Dr. Robinson,
>>> 
>>> My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he
>> turns
>>> 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently going
>>> to
>>> out of district vision program but they never taught him Nameth code, no
>>> math skills. In order for him to even get an associate degree from
>> College,
>>> he needs basic Math and all college admission require placement test for
>>> English reading, writing and Math so how is he going to College with no
>>> basic knowledge of Math?
>>> 
>>> Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Tina Egle Mother of Justin
>>> 
>>> cell 847/577-7500
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindkid mailing list
>>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> blindkid:
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>>> et
>>> 
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From kim at gulfimagesphoto.com  Mon Sep 11 21:20:30 2017
From: kim at gulfimagesphoto.com (Kim Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:20:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindkid] IEP Planning Study
References: <2071325531.1562569.1505164830515.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2071325531.1562569.1505164830515@mail.yahoo.com>

Parents, please help if you can! See the below email:
Are you a parent of a child with sensory loss (hearing loss/deafness, vision loss/blindness, or deafblindness) who has ever struggled with previous or current educational teams about your child?s IEP planning and programming? If so, we would like the opportunity to talk to you about your experiences and learn how we can improve parent-educator interactions. ?If you are interested and available, please go to https://unco.co1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_1ySvyoljH2tqdlX and send us your email address so we can contact you. This interview should take no longer than 30 minutes and it will be completely confidential.Participants will be entered in a drawing/raffle for one of three $50 gift certificate! Thank you! We look forward to hearing from you.Dr. Silvia Correa-Torres?silvia.correa-torres at unco.eduDr. Tracy Mueller tracy.mueller at unco.eduDr. Sandy Bowen sandy.bowen at unco.eduMs. Lanya McKittrick mcki9421 at bears.unco.edu?School of Special EducationUniversity of Northern Colorado??????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? ? ??

From dburke at cocenter.org  Tue Sep 12 15:47:55 2017
From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:47:55 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
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So here's what I know about college, based on nearly 20 years working at a university.

First, math is a requirement of any two- or four-year degree.  No way out of it except in the case of a disability that directly affects math, such as dyscalculia.  And then, the options are not waivers, as is often mistakenly assumed, but a substitution.  What might work as an equivalent math-like substitution? Well, Economics, statistics, or one art student who did an in-depth paper/presentation of an artist who used geometric figures. It was nearly a master's thesis.  I worked with one student who found it much easier to complete a stats class than to complete the minimum math requirement.  This is accomplished through an appeals process at many institutions, involving an academic standards committee made up of mostly faculty in some cases. It often includes an unfortunate expectation that the student will not only provide clear documentation of the math disability, but also a demonstration of failure in college math courses.

Blindness is not a disability that affects math, except in the poverty of one's educational opportunities to learn it.  There is no reasonable accommodation for this, it is viewed, rather, as a lack of qualifications.

To even be eligible for the "reasonable accommodation" of a substitution, a student has to demonstrate that they are "otherwise qualified." This means that he or she meets all the other admission standards, including class rankings, GPA and college entrance exams, and they have to continue to demonstrate this with their grades in college.  

Community colleges obviously have easier entrance requirements, but they too have academic standards  regarding math for general education purposes.

As mentioned in the previous e-mail on this thread, community and junior colleges are happy to offer any number of remedial classes leading up the minimum required math course.  None of them counts as math credit, only as general credits. It is costly in time and money because  it can extend a student's time in college. By the way, VR agencies are increasingly telling clients that they don't want to pay for remedial classes such as all the math classes mentioned.  

Yes, get a lawyer.

Dan
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Cc: candice.attrill <candice.attrill at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one extra year?

for the nemith for part of this I would definitely look into Hadley. One thing I will say is the community college that I attended made us all take a placer test before putting us in any math class. They also included mac 092, math 094, and math 098 before starting at the math 100 level. These were to cover in gaps from high school math. I do not know if your college offers such an option. I ended up starting at math 098. before going on to do math 104. I also agree that there should be some other pieces looked into how did that affect science for example?
regards
Candice

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Dr. Robinson,
> 
> My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he 
> turns
> 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently 
> going to out of district vision program but they never taught him 
> Nameth code, no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate 
> degree from College, he needs basic Math and all college admission 
> require placement test for English reading, writing and Math so how is 
> he going to College with no basic knowledge of Math?
> 
> Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Tina Egle Mother of Justin
> 
> cell 847/577-7500
> 
> 
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From ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 17:29:23 2017
From: ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com (Amanda Nachtmann)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 12:29:23 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] If Math was never taught,
 can 22 yr old stay one extra year?
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR17MB11798206BD51E810F01DB3B5A6690@DM5PR17MB1179.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <54894.73.209.246.208.1505077852.squirrel@borg.oakton.edu>
	<DDE04749-7135-40F8-B0CE-91904416A750@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR17MB11798206BD51E810F01DB3B5A6690@DM5PR17MB1179.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
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Get a lawyer or an advocate and file due process right now. You can get
compensatory up to a year through due process and more than that is a
 lawyer

On Sep 12, 2017 10:49 AM, "Dan Burke via blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> So here's what I know about college, based on nearly 20 years working at a
> university.
>
> First, math is a requirement of any two- or four-year degree.  No way out
> of it except in the case of a disability that directly affects math, such
> as dyscalculia.  And then, the options are not waivers, as is often
> mistakenly assumed, but a substitution.  What might work as an equivalent
> math-like substitution? Well, Economics, statistics, or one art student who
> did an in-depth paper/presentation of an artist who used geometric figures.
> It was nearly a master's thesis.  I worked with one student who found it
> much easier to complete a stats class than to complete the minimum math
> requirement.  This is accomplished through an appeals process at many
> institutions, involving an academic standards committee made up of mostly
> faculty in some cases. It often includes an unfortunate expectation that
> the student will not only provide clear documentation of the math
> disability, but also a demonstration of failure in college math courses.
>
> Blindness is not a disability that affects math, except in the poverty of
> one's educational opportunities to learn it.  There is no reasonable
> accommodation for this, it is viewed, rather, as a lack of qualifications.
>
> To even be eligible for the "reasonable accommodation" of a substitution,
> a student has to demonstrate that they are "otherwise qualified." This
> means that he or she meets all the other admission standards, including
> class rankings, GPA and college entrance exams, and they have to continue
> to demonstrate this with their grades in college.
>
> Community colleges obviously have easier entrance requirements, but they
> too have academic standards  regarding math for general education purposes.
>
> As mentioned in the previous e-mail on this thread, community and junior
> colleges are happy to offer any number of remedial classes leading up the
> minimum required math course.  None of them counts as math credit, only as
> general credits. It is costly in time and money because  it can extend a
> student's time in college. By the way, VR agencies are increasingly telling
> clients that they don't want to pay for remedial classes such as all the
> math classes mentioned.
>
> Yes, get a lawyer.
>
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> candice.attrill via blindkid
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children) <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: candice.attrill <candice.attrill at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] If Math was never taught, can 22 yr old stay one
> extra year?
>
> for the nemith for part of this I would definitely look into Hadley. One
> thing I will say is the community college that I attended made us all take
> a placer test before putting us in any math class. They also included mac
> 092, math 094, and math 098 before starting at the math 100 level. These
> were to cover in gaps from high school math. I do not know if your college
> offers such an option. I ended up starting at math 098. before going on to
> do math 104. I also agree that there should be some other pieces looked
> into how did that affect science for example?
> regards
> Candice
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Tina Egle via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dr. Robinson,
> >
> > My 21 year old totally blind son is in high school but as soon as he
> > turns
> > 22 on Dec 13, he will be out of high school system. He is currently
> > going to out of district vision program but they never taught him
> > Nameth code, no math skills. In order for him to even get an associate
> > degree from College, he needs basic Math and all college admission
> > require placement test for English reading, writing and Math so how is
> > he going to College with no basic knowledge of Math?
> >
> > Can we ask for extension? Is it possible?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tina Egle Mother of Justin
> >
> > cell 847/577-7500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > blindkid mailing list
> > blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> blindkid:
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From hpscheffer at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 14:05:48 2017
From: hpscheffer at aol.com (hpscheffer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:05:48 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] music book
Message-ID: <15e85dc1a6b-c0a-d5a1@webjas-vad022.srv.aolmail.net>

I'm looking for a music book for my daughter choir class, called "Alfred's Essentials of Music Theory Book 2" accessible with Jaws, does anyone have any leads or used this in an accessible format? They also are using this site www.emtontheweb.com which is completely inaccessible. They do not have it in Bookshare :(


I wrote to the publishers asking for it to be produced for screen reading technology, as they are required to by the ADA. But if any of you have any information it would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you so much,


Heidi


From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Fri Sep 15 14:15:49 2017
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:15:49 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] music book
In-Reply-To: <15e85dc1a6b-c0a-d5a1@webjas-vad022.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <15e85dc1a6b-c0a-d5a1@webjas-vad022.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <DM3PR17MB0842442FEB94586E5F23BA39C36C0@DM3PR17MB0842.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I have a few questions first. Are we talking about a college or a university, or a high school? The disabilities office is absolutely required to make all textbooks available in an accessible format, if the books are a required text for the courses offered at the institution. The disability office, should, know where to go to order an accessible version or versions of any and all textbooks.

My Blind Spot works with a company based in Atlanta, ANAC, that produces accessible textbooks once they are asked to do so by your daughters school.

Feel free to write me off list and I can try and help you move this forward. Peace and to be continued...

Albert


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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:06 AM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Cc: hpscheffer at aol.com
Subject: [blindkid] music book

I'm looking for a music book for my daughter choir class, called "Alfred's Essentials of Music Theory Book 2" accessible with Jaws, does anyone have any leads or used this in an accessible format? They also are using this site www.emtontheweb.com which is completely inaccessible. They do not have it in Bookshare :(


I wrote to the publishers asking for it to be produced for screen reading technology, as they are required to by the ADA. But if any of you have any information it would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you so much,


Heidi
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 15:43:42 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:43:42 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Information about dreamers needed
Message-ID: <CAOQ9728Drv=dLX2zHvvSzoRUw2sB3W=Ln7JLxx_cq0bFMeotsQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is coming from the national federation of the blind.



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 15:49:20 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:49:20 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Information about dreamers needed
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Message-ID: <CAOQ9729xK004rVSWfsj_1u7UKEhyizCVnVHtb8t_voHDGN4fTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Please read the message below from our National President. Reaching
out to help blind people who may be under the DACA program is an
important job.Thanks for helping to carry it out.
National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live
the lives we want. To better inform our current and future advocacy
and policy strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is
collecting the following information to better understand the impact
of the administration?s recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action
for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United
States. The information collected will be used to:
1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the
Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
want because of the DACA program.
5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
maximize the resources available.

If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below
links (available in Spanish and English), or share this information
with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access,
we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.

Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es
English NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca

Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
fully contributing members of our nation.

Mark A. Riccobono, President
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
Twitter: @Riccobono

On 9/15/17, adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is coming from the national federation of the blind.
>



From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 15 17:04:00 2017
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (rjaquiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:04:00 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] music book
In-Reply-To: <15e85dc1a6b-c0a-d5a1@webjas-vad022.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <15e85dc1a6b-c0a-d5a1@webjas-vad022.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <006f01d32e44$a0efa4b0$e2ceee10$@earthlink.net>

Hello:

     If the textbook has music notation in it, trying to make an accessible
form other than braille or large print would be difficult. The narrative
parts could be read by JAWS but the music couldn't. There is a code for
braille music and courses to learn the code. I suggest you contact Dancing
Dots at www.dancingdots.com. 
When I studied music in college some years ago, I borrowed a music book from
what is now Learning Ally. The reader read the book and when a musical
example occurred, she played it on a piano. 

     The use of an inaccessible website is a violation of section 504. As an
interim measure, your daughter may need to use a sighted reader to help her
with it.

Regards,

Robert


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hpscheffer--- via blindkid
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:06 AM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Cc: hpscheffer at aol.com
Subject: [blindkid] music book

I'm looking for a music book for my daughter choir class, called "Alfred's
Essentials of Music Theory Book 2" accessible with Jaws, does anyone have
any leads or used this in an accessible format? They also are using this
site www.emtontheweb.com which is completely inaccessible. They do not have
it in Bookshare :(


I wrote to the publishers asking for it to be produced for screen reading
technology, as they are required to by the ADA. But if any of you have any
information it would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you so much,


Heidi
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From hpscheffer at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 20:41:07 2017
From: hpscheffer at aol.com (hpscheffer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:41:07 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] music book
In-Reply-To: <006f01d32e44$a0efa4b0$e2ceee10$@earthlink.net>
References: <15e85dc1a6b-c0a-d5a1@webjas-vad022.srv.aolmail.net>
	<006f01d32e44$a0efa4b0$e2ceee10$@earthlink.net>
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Thank you Robert, I'm looking for the specific book, but appreciate your input.

Heidi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjaquiss via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
>     If the textbook has music notation in it, trying to make an accessible
> form other than braille or large print would be difficult. The narrative
> parts could be read by JAWS but the music couldn't. There is a code for
> braille music and courses to learn the code. I suggest you contact Dancing
> Dots at www.dancingdots.com. 
> When I studied music in college some years ago, I borrowed a music book from
> what is now Learning Ally. The reader read the book and when a musical
> example occurred, she played it on a piano. 
> 
>     The use of an inaccessible website is a violation of section 504. As an
> interim measure, your daughter may need to use a sighted reader to help her
> with it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> hpscheffer--- via blindkid
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Cc: hpscheffer at aol.com
> Subject: [blindkid] music book
> 
> I'm looking for a music book for my daughter choir class, called "Alfred's
> Essentials of Music Theory Book 2" accessible with Jaws, does anyone have
> any leads or used this in an accessible format? They also are using this
> site www.emtontheweb.com which is completely inaccessible. They do not have
> it in Bookshare :(
> 
> 
> I wrote to the publishers asking for it to be produced for screen reading
> technology, as they are required to by the ADA. But if any of you have any
> information it would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you so much,
> 
> 
> Heidi
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From billlist1 at verizon.net  Sat Sep 16 13:44:51 2017
From: billlist1 at verizon.net (BillList1)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:44:51 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] music book
Message-ID: <001b01d32ef1$f8a14170$e9e3c450$@verizon.net>

More and more authors and publishers use music notation software to prepare
the print images of the musical excerpts in their books.  Dancing Dots has
software that can import music scores created in the MusicXML format and
make the information accessible to blind and low vision users.  It is
important to realize that a lot of material is still not digitized but the
adoption of MusicXML overall is some of the best news for us blind musicians
in recent memory.  

For example, Dancing Dots is currently partnering with a local community
college and a major music publisher to provide a student with accessible
versions of the musical excerpts in his music theory book.  The publisher
has furnished MusicXML versions of each exercise in the book and the student
will be trained on how to learn to sing the melodies using our software.

Our Lime notation editor, can import MusicXML scores and present them using
our "Talking Score" feature.  We have other software components that can
automatically convert the scores in Lime  to the equivalent braille music
notation or to present it to a low vision reader using special magnification
and scrolling features.

Feel free to contact me directly off-list using my info at DancingDots.com
address.  You can read more about our accessible music notation editor at
the link below.  Note that if you do not have a license for the JAWS for
Windows screen reader, you can use our software with the free, 40-minute
demo version of JAWS.
 
www.dancingdots.com/prodesc/limealoud.htm

Bill McCann
President
Dancing Dots





From Albert at Myblindspot.org  Sat Sep 16 14:21:01 2017
From: Albert at Myblindspot.org (Albert Rizzi)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:21:01 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] music book
In-Reply-To: <001b01d32ef1$f8a14170$e9e3c450$@verizon.net>
References: <001b01d32ef1$f8a14170$e9e3c450$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DM3PR17MB08424F1D4086CB0AAF68A963C36D0@DM3PR17MB0842.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Dancing Dots is fantastic Heidi. Was going to speak to you about that when we hopped on the phone. Bill McCann is a good friend, colleague and helped My Blind Spot test QuickBooks and uses the program to manage his business now. 

Here is the link to their website. I first met him and was introduced to his program at the Lighthouse Music Department here in NYC.

http://www.dancingdots.com/main/index.htm


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:45 AM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Cc: BillList1 <billlist1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [blindkid] music book

More and more authors and publishers use music notation software to prepare the print images of the musical excerpts in their books.  Dancing Dots has software that can import music scores created in the MusicXML format and make the information accessible to blind and low vision users.  It is important to realize that a lot of material is still not digitized but the adoption of MusicXML overall is some of the best news for us blind musicians in recent memory.  

For example, Dancing Dots is currently partnering with a local community college and a major music publisher to provide a student with accessible versions of the musical excerpts in his music theory book.  The publisher has furnished MusicXML versions of each exercise in the book and the student will be trained on how to learn to sing the melodies using our software.

Our Lime notation editor, can import MusicXML scores and present them using our "Talking Score" feature.  We have other software components that can automatically convert the scores in Lime  to the equivalent braille music notation or to present it to a low vision reader using special magnification and scrolling features.

Feel free to contact me directly off-list using my info at DancingDots.com address.  You can read more about our accessible music notation editor at the link below.  Note that if you do not have a license for the JAWS for Windows screen reader, you can use our software with the free, 40-minute demo version of JAWS.
 
www.dancingdots.com/prodesc/limealoud.htm

Bill McCann
President
Dancing Dots



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From gjonas817 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 19:34:29 2017
From: gjonas817 at gmail.com (Gustave Jonas)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:34:29 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Schematic Diagrams and Programming
Message-ID: <CABEC-7ysxRzrtcZ6jNHWHX-eng-CAbBQgKxBFbMAU_bWJuWcJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All!

My 9 year old son has recently shown an interest in digital electronics and
programming. I have been trying to find a resource for creating schematic
diagrams in braille. I keep finding the system used in the British version
of Nemeth, but I don't want to set him up for failure when he gets to High
School and learns there is an American Braille way to create these
diagrams.  If anyone knows where I can find an American way to do this, I
would much appreciate it.  Just an FYI, I have asked his TVI and his
Adaptive Tech Professional and they have no idea.

On another note.  If anyone knows of a good IDE that will work with JAWS
for programming, I would love to hear about it.  I am thinking about
starting with either VBasic, Java, or one of the C languages depending on
what kind of devices we will create.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Gustave Jonas


From seacknit at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 15:33:14 2017
From: seacknit at gmail.com (Sarah Thomas)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 10:33:14 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Schematic Diagrams and Programming
In-Reply-To: <CABEC-7ysxRzrtcZ6jNHWHX-eng-CAbBQgKxBFbMAU_bWJuWcJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABEC-7ysxRzrtcZ6jNHWHX-eng-CAbBQgKxBFbMAU_bWJuWcJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>

Hi Gustave,

I?ve forwarded your email to my son who would know more about this than me.  Hopefully he will have some information for you. He?s out of town so not sure how long it will take him to respond.

Are you on Facebook? The NOPBC group on Facebook is more active than this email group.  If you post there you may get more information.

Sally Thomas

PS I?ll try to encourage my son to respond quickly :)
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Gustave Jonas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All!
> 
> My 9 year old son has recently shown an interest in digital electronics and
> programming. I have been trying to find a resource for creating schematic
> diagrams in braille. I keep finding the system used in the British version
> of Nemeth, but I don't want to set him up for failure when he gets to High
> School and learns there is an American Braille way to create these
> diagrams.  If anyone knows where I can find an American way to do this, I
> would much appreciate it.  Just an FYI, I have asked his TVI and his
> Adaptive Tech Professional and they have no idea.
> 
> On another note.  If anyone knows of a good IDE that will work with JAWS
> for programming, I would love to hear about it.  I am thinking about
> starting with either VBasic, Java, or one of the C languages depending on
> what kind of devices we will create.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any information.
> 
> Gustave Jonas
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/seacknit%40gmail.com




From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 16:36:27 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:36:27 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Schematic Diagrams and Programming
In-Reply-To: <201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>
References: <CABEC-7ysxRzrtcZ6jNHWHX-eng-CAbBQgKxBFbMAU_bWJuWcJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93D31D43-D7E7-448B-8489-365E62820EA1@gmail.com>

As far as programming environments go, I would suggest Emacspeak http://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak. Documentation isn?t the best and it can be a bit difficult to use at times, but it has the best speech feedback out of anything I?ve found.
Failing that, there?s Eclipse for Java, which can be made more accessible using this add-on for the NVDA screen reader <https://github.com/albzan/eclipse-nvda>
Also, not a big Braille user, but Unified English Braille (UEB) is the new standard Braille code which has replaced the regional varieties for some time now. Perhaps it has some way of representing schematic symbols?

Bill
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Sarah Thomas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gustave,
> 
> I?ve forwarded your email to my son who would know more about this than me.  Hopefully he will have some information for you. He?s out of town so not sure how long it will take him to respond.
> 
> Are you on Facebook? The NOPBC group on Facebook is more active than this email group.  If you post there you may get more information.
> 
> Sally Thomas
> 
> PS I?ll try to encourage my son to respond quickly :)
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Gustave Jonas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All!
>> 
>> My 9 year old son has recently shown an interest in digital electronics and
>> programming. I have been trying to find a resource for creating schematic
>> diagrams in braille. I keep finding the system used in the British version
>> of Nemeth, but I don't want to set him up for failure when he gets to High
>> School and learns there is an American Braille way to create these
>> diagrams.  If anyone knows where I can find an American way to do this, I
>> would much appreciate it.  Just an FYI, I have asked his TVI and his
>> Adaptive Tech Professional and they have no idea.
>> 
>> On another note.  If anyone knows of a good IDE that will work with JAWS
>> for programming, I would love to hear about it.  I am thinking about
>> starting with either VBasic, Java, or one of the C languages depending on
>> what kind of devices we will create.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any information.
>> 
>> Gustave Jonas
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindkid mailing list
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/seacknit%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Sep 17 16:39:14 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David B Andrews)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:39:14 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Schematic Diagrams and Programming
In-Reply-To: <201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>
References: <CABEC-7ysxRzrtcZ6jNHWHX-eng-CAbBQgKxBFbMAU_bWJuWcJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e988bcdd-9d69-c69b-8ba2-b55fb25dd376@visi.com>

We have several other lists, here on NFBNET.ORG where you are likely to 
get good answers to your questions.? All lists can be found at:? 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/

Good lists include nfb-science, blindmath, and nfbcs.? Also, 
promotion-technology and gui-talk might have answers.


Dave Andrews




On 9/17/2017 10:33 AM, Sarah Thomas via blindkid wrote:
> Hi Gustave,
>
> I?ve forwarded your email to my son who would know more about this than me.  Hopefully he will have some information for you. He?s out of town so not sure how long it will take him to respond.
>
> Are you on Facebook? The NOPBC group on Facebook is more active than this email group.  If you post there you may get more information.
>
> Sally Thomas
>
> PS I?ll try to encourage my son to respond quickly :)
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Gustave Jonas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All!
>>
>> My 9 year old son has recently shown an interest in digital electronics and
>> programming. I have been trying to find a resource for creating schematic
>> diagrams in braille. I keep finding the system used in the British version
>> of Nemeth, but I don't want to set him up for failure when he gets to High
>> School and learns there is an American Braille way to create these
>> diagrams.  If anyone knows where I can find an American way to do this, I
>> would much appreciate it.  Just an FYI, I have asked his TVI and his
>> Adaptive Tech Professional and they have no idea.
>>
>> On another note.  If anyone knows of a good IDE that will work with JAWS
>> for programming, I would love to hear about it.  I am thinking about
>> starting with either VBasic, Java, or one of the C languages depending on
>> what kind of devices we will create.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any information.
>>

-- 
David Andrews and long white cane harry!
dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org




From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 16:42:03 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:42:03 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Schematic Diagrams and Programming
In-Reply-To: <201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>
References: <CABEC-7ysxRzrtcZ6jNHWHX-eng-CAbBQgKxBFbMAU_bWJuWcJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201774CA-735F-44F9-8A30-C071C5C8F95D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9764DA8D-D769-4B56-986D-E6319EC812F8@gmail.com>

Eclipse can work with JAWS (with the proper scripts) if that?s your preferred screen reader. Haven?t used JAWS for much since around 2010, so not sure if the scripts are built-in or need to be downloaded separately.
Also, you might want to reach out to the Emacspeak mailing list <https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/subscribe.html>.

Bill
On Sep 17, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Sarah Thomas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gustave,
> 
> I?ve forwarded your email to my son who would know more about this than me.  Hopefully he will have some information for you. He?s out of town so not sure how long it will take him to respond.
> 
> Are you on Facebook? The NOPBC group on Facebook is more active than this email group.  If you post there you may get more information.
> 
> Sally Thomas
> 
> PS I?ll try to encourage my son to respond quickly :)
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Gustave Jonas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All!
>> 
>> My 9 year old son has recently shown an interest in digital electronics and
>> programming. I have been trying to find a resource for creating schematic
>> diagrams in braille. I keep finding the system used in the British version
>> of Nemeth, but I don't want to set him up for failure when he gets to High
>> School and learns there is an American Braille way to create these
>> diagrams.  If anyone knows where I can find an American way to do this, I
>> would much appreciate it.  Just an FYI, I have asked his TVI and his
>> Adaptive Tech Professional and they have no idea.
>> 
>> On another note.  If anyone knows of a good IDE that will work with JAWS
>> for programming, I would love to hear about it.  I am thinking about
>> starting with either VBasic, Java, or one of the C languages depending on
>> what kind of devices we will create.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any information.
>> 
>> Gustave Jonas
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindkid mailing list
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/seacknit%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From deniserob at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 13:38:22 2017
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:38:22 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Excel-labeling everything in a graph with talking
 software
Message-ID: <CAAxsd_5bMwMJFcKtFoSGEbWoXMSgB3ZY2LUeFA2ucLMW433VaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the answers to how our low vision and blind students can do all
math in excel and make beautiful graphs. Truly a braille display needs to
be attached to reconfirm anything they hear and also the items they do not
hear. Many more Youtube videos on this at the TechVision channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7YW7Ves0phCwCOtaZ3wWFw

Here is the excel video: https://youtu.be/Gnm_WMrNaZ8


*Dr Denise M Robinson*

Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD

Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
Impaired
425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com


?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 21:46:59 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:46:59 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Human search engine
Message-ID: <CAOQ9728nK0qhtQfGXRr8pJjxCdJoAjPiAY6EKFzXCx+guMV=OQ@mail.gmail.com>

Think many kids  would love this!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ggyt5



From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 23:31:58 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:31:58 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: [BlindMath] FW: Help us get MathML support in
 Microsoft's Edge Browser
References: <b9de2b18b499468fb241ea024cbb8f21@LCXEX01.LCDS.LOC.GOV>
Message-ID: <F069F2E6-77BB-4D63-B3A8-69F3F75837D9@gmail.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Rasmussen, Lloyd via BlindMath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [BlindMath] FW: Help us get MathML support in Microsoft's Edge Browser
> Date: September 18, 2017 at 8:09:46 PM GMT
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics' <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Rasmussen, Lloyd" <lras at loc.gov>
> Reply-To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> 
> This is an effort worth supporting.
> 
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer
> National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress
> Washington, DC 20542   202-707-0535
> http://www.loc.gov/nls/
> The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS.
> 
> From: transition-to-accessible-epub at lyris.dundee.net [mailto:transition-to-accessible-epub at lyris.dundee.net] On Behalf Of Charles LaPierre
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 4:01 PM
> To: Transition to accessible EPUB
> Subject: Help us get MathML support in Microsoft's Edge Browser
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> A few of us here in the DIAGRAM community have been hard at work coming up with the best way to get accessible math into EPUB and Microsoft?s new Edge web browser has the ability to open EPUBs.  Unfortunately MathML is currently not supported in Edge and we would like Microsoft to expose the MathML contained within the EPUB (or mathML on the web itself) to Assistive Technology.  There is a feature request to do this and we need your help to help vote for this feature to get implemented.  Here is the link to the issue<https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/257854-microsoft-edge-developer/suggestions/6508572-mathml> and where you can vote to get their developers to implement this much needed accessibility feature.  Once you are on this page just click on the Vote button and put in your name and email address and if you wouldn?t mind selecting the 3 votes option to help us get this approved quickly.
> 
> Thank you for your vote on this!
> Charles LaPierre
> Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible
> EOM
> 
> E-mail: charlesl at benetech.org<mailto:charlesl at benetech.org>
> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
> Skype: charles_lapierre
> Phone: 650-600-3301
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BlindMath mailing list
> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
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> BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>



From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 01:19:24 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:19:24 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Human search engine
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ9728nK0qhtQfGXRr8pJjxCdJoAjPiAY6EKFzXCx+guMV=OQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOQ9728nK0qhtQfGXRr8pJjxCdJoAjPiAY6EKFzXCx+guMV=OQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACsEhV+d-c=o8AVzowJ7o6_Zr2n=oizHJX=tmEpt4qpvWdCwuw@mail.gmail.com>

What fun!

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 5:46 PM, adrijana prokopenko via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Think many kids  would love this!
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ggyt5
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> blindkid:
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> carol_castellano%40verizon.net
>


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Sep 19 02:26:05 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David B Andrews)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:26:05 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Help us get MathML support in Microsoft's Edge Browser
In-Reply-To: <020901d330cf$1e9b3cd0$5bd1b670$@htctu.net>
References: <020901d330cf$1e9b3cd0$5bd1b670$@htctu.net>
Message-ID: <f32dd10d-d550-b4ce-bf2c-7db0e52973ac@visi.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[Athen] FW: Help us get MathML support in Microsoft's Edge 
Browser
Date: 	Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:40:24 -0700
From: 	Gaeir Dietrich <gdietrich at htctu.net>
Reply-To: 	gdietrich at htctu.net, Access Technology Higher Education 
Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
Organization: 	htctu
To: 	'ATHEN' <athen-list at u.washington.edu>



*Subject:*Help us get MathML support in Microsoft's Edge Browser

Hello everyone,

A few of us here in the DIAGRAM community have been hard at work coming 
up with the best way to get accessible math into EPUB and Microsoft?s 
new Edge web browser has the ability to open EPUBs. ?Unfortunately 
MathML is currently not supported in Edge and we would like Microsoft to 
expose the MathML contained within the EPUB (or mathML on the web 
itself) to Assistive Technology. ?There is a feature request to do this 
and we need your help to help vote for this feature to get implemented. 
 ?Here is the link to the issue 
<https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/257854-microsoft-edge-developer/suggestions/6508572-mathml>?and 
where you can vote to get their developers to implement this much needed 
accessibility feature. ?Once you are on this page just click on the Vote 
button and put in your name and email address and if you wouldn?t mind 
selecting the 3 votes option to help us get this approved quickly.

Thank you for your vote on this!

Charles LaPierre
Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born?Accessible

EOM


E-mail: charlesl at benetech.org <mailto:charlesl at benetech.org>
Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y
Skype: charles_lapierre
Phone: 650-600-3301

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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 18:14:36 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:14:36 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Dentist's advice
Message-ID: <CAOQ972-BjMxhG9ZosRZBHM5XZHtZph-dfHdqf4aRd5hzcb4f7w@mail.gmail.com>

We often struggle talking to doctors and dentists, but here is one
that I think you may like to see! (Smile).
http://www.visionaware.org/info/emotional-support/for-family-and-friends/introduction-to-blind-parenting-series/dental-care-for-children/1235?utm_source=AFB&utm_campaign=8d516f77e3-EMAIL_September+VAnews2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ec813cd965-8d516f77e3-165143685



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 21:13:59 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:13:59 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Homeschooling
Message-ID: <CAOQ972_t1J3g=3mZ4a1VMZg_vt5CCdzp4pSYbOfkXrii-Lub+A@mail.gmail.com>

I am a blind teacher and wondering if anyone here is homeschooling
blind or sighted children or knows of any groups and other resources
and places that contain such things? In Macedonia, it is very unusual
to homeschool, but wondering what it is like elsewhere.



From ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 23:33:54 2017
From: ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com (Amanda Nachtmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:33:54 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Homeschooling
In-Reply-To: <CAE+=CnPayGh+Q0+0gLzOQPoP8aJiSRZLz_6mqpUGof+C02J92g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOQ972_t1J3g=3mZ4a1VMZg_vt5CCdzp4pSYbOfkXrii-Lub+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE+=CnP_XPq6ophf=sCtM-zWYv-R7px-m9hfxFUqxi5K1ATxiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE+=CnPayGh+Q0+0gLzOQPoP8aJiSRZLz_6mqpUGof+C02J92g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE+=CnM1bByBs5HCpO9xoAAYOLbWW7KAeOLtMqF3FviFYGUOXA@mail.gmail.com>

There is a Facebook group. I did home school a blind student

On Sep 20, 2017 4:15 PM, "adrijana prokopenko via blindkid" <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

I am a blind teacher and wondering if anyone here is homeschooling
blind or sighted children or knows of any groups and other resources
and places that contain such things? In Macedonia, it is very unusual
to homeschool, but wondering what it is like elsewhere.

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From thunderwalker321 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 01:52:10 2017
From: thunderwalker321 at gmail.com (Jody ianuzzi)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 21:52:10 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Homeschooling
In-Reply-To: <CAE+=CnM1bByBs5HCpO9xoAAYOLbWW7KAeOLtMqF3FviFYGUOXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOQ972_t1J3g=3mZ4a1VMZg_vt5CCdzp4pSYbOfkXrii-Lub+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE+=CnP_XPq6ophf=sCtM-zWYv-R7px-m9hfxFUqxi5K1ATxiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE+=CnPayGh+Q0+0gLzOQPoP8aJiSRZLz_6mqpUGof+C02J92g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE+=CnM1bByBs5HCpO9xoAAYOLbWW7KAeOLtMqF3FviFYGUOXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C46AE399-9BF3-462F-8016-7412AA638645@gmail.com>

We homeschooled our daughter 20 years ago from seventh grade through graduation.



JODY

thunderwalker321 at gmail.com 

"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Amanda Nachtmann via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> There is a Facebook group. I did home school a blind student
> 
> On Sep 20, 2017 4:15 PM, "adrijana prokopenko via blindkid" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am a blind teacher and wondering if anyone here is homeschooling
> blind or sighted children or knows of any groups and other resources
> and places that contain such things? In Macedonia, it is very unusual
> to homeschool, but wondering what it is like elsewhere.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> blindkid at nfbnet.org
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From seedlink7 at ameritech.net  Thu Sep 21 15:37:40 2017
From: seedlink7 at ameritech.net (Seedlings Community Outreach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:37:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindkid] Put braille books into the hands of kids - donate an
 auction item!
References: <493974782.6908943.1506008260262.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <493974782.6908943.1506008260262@mail.yahoo.com>

Help Seedlings Braille Books for Children put 1,500 new books into the hands of children who are blind by donating an item to our online auction!The auction will be held Nov. 1-14 on biddingforgood.com. Auction items are being collected through Oct. 16! 
Popular items include: 
   
   - Gift cards to restaurants and retailers
   - hotel stays
   - tickets to entertainment venues and sporting events
   - jewelry
   - electronics
   - spa days
   - massage sessions
   - car/truck detailing   

Please donate by Oct. 16. Download the form at http://www.seedlings.org/sbbcauctionform17.pdf
Seedlings' goal is to raise $15,000 for 1,500 braille books!?Karen S. Smith
Community Outreach Manager
Seedlings Braille Books for Children14151 Farmington RoadLivonia, MI 48154 
734-427-8552 x 301www.seedlings.org?
Follow us on Facebook and Twitter (@SeedlingsBrlBks)!
See Seedlings on TV: http://www.wxyz.com/news/person-of-the-week/the-founder-of-seedlings-braile-books-for-children-helping-blind-children-all-over-the-globe 

From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 19:42:17 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:42:17 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler
In-Reply-To: <6a73-59c2bd00-43-28072f40@1922389>
References: <6a73-59c2bd00-43-28072f40@1922389>
Message-ID: <CACsEhVLdmqY_ZL+SP8nEKGXakRRvJYhAk78+OR0z0FZ8--Rv-g@mail.gmail.com>

Any of you techies want to try this out?

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andy Adrion - Tek Gear <andy at tekgear.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Twiddler
To: blindchildren at verizon.net


Hello Carol,

I would like to introduce the Twiddler the one-handed Bluetooth keyboard
and mouse that lets you type faster wherever you go and is programmable.
You can program and change the keys to suit your needs. You can even set it
to store blocks of text that can be typed with a single chord making
dreaded data entry as easy as can be.

The Twiddler has enough keys and can easily be configured to represent the
entire Braille alphabet and numbers.
(http://forum.tekgear.com/t/braille-configurations/298)

With a little practice, average users can type 30-60 wpm. The handy
customization features allows you to key in anything up to 260 wpm.

The Twiddler lets you type and navigate faster on your mobile phone,
tablet, or wearable without the hindrance of a bulky traditional keyboard.

Please review the site twiddler.tekgear.com for more information or call me
to discuss getting a demo unit sent out.

Thank you,

Andy Adrion
TekGear
614-442-8500


From scooper1218 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 21 19:47:55 2017
From: scooper1218 at yahoo.com (Susie Cooper)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:47:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler
In-Reply-To: <CACsEhVLdmqY_ZL+SP8nEKGXakRRvJYhAk78+OR0z0FZ8--Rv-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a73-59c2bd00-43-28072f40@1922389>
	<CACsEhVLdmqY_ZL+SP8nEKGXakRRvJYhAk78+OR0z0FZ8--Rv-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <706275919.6215776.1506023275238@mail.yahoo.com>

 I would love my 16 year old to try. ?Would I just need to reach out to them?
Susie
    On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 12:43:41 PM PDT, Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
 
 Any of you techies want to try this out?

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andy Adrion - Tek Gear <andy at tekgear.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Twiddler
To: blindchildren at verizon.net


Hello Carol,

I would like to introduce the Twiddler the one-handed Bluetooth keyboard
and mouse that lets you type faster wherever you go and is programmable.
You can program and change the keys to suit your needs. You can even set it
to store blocks of text that can be typed with a single chord making
dreaded data entry as easy as can be.

The Twiddler has enough keys and can easily be configured to represent the
entire Braille alphabet and numbers.
(http://forum.tekgear.com/t/braille-configurations/298)

With a little practice, average users can type 30-60 wpm. The handy
customization features allows you to key in anything up to 260 wpm.

The Twiddler lets you type and navigate faster on your mobile phone,
tablet, or wearable without the hindrance of a bulky traditional keyboard.

Please review the site twiddler.tekgear.com for more information or call me
to discuss getting a demo unit sent out.

Thank you,

Andy Adrion
TekGear
614-442-8500
_______________________________________________
blindkid mailing list
blindkid at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
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From ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 20:00:04 2017
From: ajnachtmann21 at gmail.com (ajnachtmann21)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:00:04 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler
Message-ID: <59c41a48.8a8f6b0a.df0fd.6645@mx.google.com>

We would love to try it!


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> Date: 9/21/17  2:42 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,	(for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org> Cc: Carol Castellano <carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com> Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler 
Any of you techies want to try this out?

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andy Adrion - Tek Gear <andy at tekgear.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Twiddler
To: blindchildren at verizon.net


Hello Carol,

I would like to introduce the Twiddler the one-handed Bluetooth keyboard
and mouse that lets you type faster wherever you go and is programmable.
You can program and change the keys to suit your needs. You can even set it
to store blocks of text that can be typed with a single chord making
dreaded data entry as easy as can be.

The Twiddler has enough keys and can easily be configured to represent the
entire Braille alphabet and numbers.
(http://forum.tekgear.com/t/braille-configurations/298)

With a little practice, average users can type 30-60 wpm. The handy
customization features allows you to key in anything up to 260 wpm.

The Twiddler lets you type and navigate faster on your mobile phone,
tablet, or wearable without the hindrance of a bulky traditional keyboard.

Please review the site twiddler.tekgear.com for more information or call me
to discuss getting a demo unit sent out.

Thank you,

Andy Adrion
TekGear
614-442-8500
_______________________________________________
blindkid mailing list
blindkid at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/ajnachtmann21%40gmail.com

From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 20:04:32 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:04:32 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler
In-Reply-To: <59c41a48.8a8f6b0a.df0fd.6645@mx.google.com>
References: <59c41a48.8a8f6b0a.df0fd.6645@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACsEhV+5fBNmXNQBubcLws6BjxQV2wCh5WomPXKY2aTXHeaBPg@mail.gmail.com>

I would say the same thing to you--go ahead and reach out to them and see
what they say.  We'll all be interested to hear if you think it's a good
product.

Caro

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM, ajnachtmann21 via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> We would love to try it!
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> -------- Original message --------From: Carol Castellano via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> Date: 9/21/17  2:42 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: "Blind Kid
> Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carol Castellano <carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com> Subject:
> [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler
> Any of you techies want to try this out?
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Adrion - Tek Gear <andy at tekgear.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:09 PM
> Subject: Twiddler
> To: blindchildren at verizon.net
>
>
> Hello Carol,
>
> I would like to introduce the Twiddler the one-handed Bluetooth keyboard
> and mouse that lets you type faster wherever you go and is programmable.
> You can program and change the keys to suit your needs. You can even set it
> to store blocks of text that can be typed with a single chord making
> dreaded data entry as easy as can be.
>
> The Twiddler has enough keys and can easily be configured to represent the
> entire Braille alphabet and numbers.
> (http://forum.tekgear.com/t/braille-configurations/298)
>
> With a little practice, average users can type 30-60 wpm. The handy
> customization features allows you to key in anything up to 260 wpm.
>
> The Twiddler lets you type and navigate faster on your mobile phone,
> tablet, or wearable without the hindrance of a bulky traditional keyboard.
>
> Please review the site twiddler.tekgear.com for more information or call
> me
> to discuss getting a demo unit sent out.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Andy Adrion
> TekGear
> 614-442-8500
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> blindkid:
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From jjordan_pa at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 15:16:06 2017
From: jjordan_pa at yahoo.com (Janice)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:16:06 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Twiddler
In-Reply-To: <706275919.6215776.1506023275238@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6a73-59c2bd00-43-28072f40@1922389>
	<CACsEhVLdmqY_ZL+SP8nEKGXakRRvJYhAk78+OR0z0FZ8--Rv-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<706275919.6215776.1506023275238@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A28C2968-B976-4145-8DCE-C094E04166A6@yahoo.com>

Oh, my, yes!! I'd love to hear from any blind/low vision users who give it a go. 

Ari & Janice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Susie Cooper via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would love my 16 year old to try.  Would I just need to reach out to them?
> Susie
>    On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 12:43:41 PM PDT, Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
> 
> Any of you techies want to try this out?
> 
> Carol
> 
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Adrion - Tek Gear <andy at tekgear.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:09 PM
> Subject: Twiddler
> To: blindchildren at verizon.net
> 
> 
> Hello Carol,
> 
> I would like to introduce the Twiddler the one-handed Bluetooth keyboard
> and mouse that lets you type faster wherever you go and is programmable.
> You can program and change the keys to suit your needs. You can even set it
> to store blocks of text that can be typed with a single chord making
> dreaded data entry as easy as can be.
> 
> The Twiddler has enough keys and can easily be configured to represent the
> entire Braille alphabet and numbers.
> (http://forum.tekgear.com/t/braille-configurations/298)
> 
> With a little practice, average users can type 30-60 wpm. The handy
> customization features allows you to key in anything up to 260 wpm.
> 
> The Twiddler lets you type and navigate faster on your mobile phone,
> tablet, or wearable without the hindrance of a bulky traditional keyboard.
> 
> Please review the site twiddler.tekgear.com for more information or call me
> to discuss getting a demo unit sent out.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Andy Adrion
> TekGear
> 614-442-8500
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
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From aburgess333 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 22 16:29:56 2017
From: aburgess333 at gmail.com (Aburgess333)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:29:56 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Twiddled demo
Message-ID: <2B797D92-90E6-45A3-838A-A095EB969C4B@gmail.com>

I would like to try it and will call to request a demo.
Ann
NFB of Oregon parents division

Sent from my iPhone



From scooper1218 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 16:53:20 2017
From: scooper1218 at yahoo.com (Susie)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:20 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Twiddled demo
In-Reply-To: <2B797D92-90E6-45A3-838A-A095EB969C4B@gmail.com>
References: <2B797D92-90E6-45A3-838A-A095EB969C4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2E52A72-9BE2-4B90-93FF-CDC8BD1D44C7@yahoo.com>

Hi,
I spoke to Andy and he said just to email him your shipping information to his email and that he'll get a demo out.

? Susie 

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aburgess333 via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would like to try it and will call to request a demo.
> Ann
> NFB of Oregon parents division
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From deniserob at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 13:33:20 2017
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 09:33:20 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Excel - Geometry & insert shapes and label graph -video
Message-ID: <CAAxsd_6Hu_fVZjsN-767t9DXGhzV6O0xPObF0EHMb8X9dai+LQ@mail.gmail.com>

Lots of questions on math and excel so here is another one

Excel - Geometry & insert shapes and label graph
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yV57VzibkU&feature=youtu.be>

*Dr Denise M Robinson*

Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD

Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
Impaired
425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com


?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?
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From icdx1111 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 18:13:35 2017
From: icdx1111 at gmail.com (DrV)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:13:35 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
References: <90AFD65A7F9B490390E3D29D30C523B5@nancyPC>
Message-ID: <F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>

Hi All,
This came across the NFB of CA Listserv & I wanted to share it.
I found it to be powerful, thought-provoking, & inspiring.
Peace,
Eric V

Begin forwarded message:

> From: nancy Lynn via NFBC-Info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Date: September 23, 2017 at 10:27:57 PDT
> Reply-To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> 
> I got this from another list and thought I'd share. It gives us much to think about.
> Hello
> The author of this brilliant thesis just passed. I wanted to share this with everyone. I could not have said it any better myself.
> A UNIQUE DISABILITY
> Deaf-blindness is not simply deafness plus blindness.  It is not two disabilities put together.  It is one unique disability.  Let me try to explain.  I am totally blind having lost my vision gradually starting in childhood.  In young adulthood I started losing my hearing.  With hearing aids, I am able to understand some speech in a quiet environment.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could socialize with many people at a gathering. Now, at best, I can converse with the individual next to me.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could interact with people in a room where the radio was playing, dishes were clattering and laughter abounded.  Now, with background noise, I can understand nothing and be alone in a crowd.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could sense sadness, joy, anger and agitation by a person?s tone of voice.  That is no longer possible and the loss sometimes causes misunderstandings.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could hear the softest footsteps.  Today, I am repeatedly startled by the voice of a person who has entered the room with no forewarning.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could identify a person by his/her voice.  Now, I cannot tell who is talking to me unless I first hear a name.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could move quickly with my white cane and, in familiar surroundings, without it.  Now, I walk cautiously to avoid bumping people since I cannot hear if others are around or where they might be.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could retrieve a dropped item in seconds by hearing where it fell.  No longer able to localize sound, I must now search on my hands and knees and even then may not locate the item because it rolled behind a door or into another room.
> 
> When I was only blind, I could stand unsupported in the middle of a room, bend over, turn sharply and jump out of bed quickly.  This is no longer the case.  Like many others with hearing loss, I have balance problems, which prohibit abrupt movements.
> 
> When I was only blind, I had no difficulty hearing the ring of the telephone or doorbell.  Today, even with amplified ringers, my responses are inconsistent and I must consider using a vibrating alert system.
> 
> When I was only blind, talking on the telephone was fun.  Now, even with hearing aids combined with a volume control phone, some words are missed and misunderstandings occur.  Sometimes I use a Braille-type telephone, which is slower and does not convey the emotional nuances of the voice.
> 
> When I was only blind, I spent hours listening to ?talking books?.  Most voices now sound muffled.
> 
> When I was only blind, my husband and I enjoyed movies; he provided an occasional description.  Movies are confusing and no longer pleasurable.
> 
> When I was only blind, life had minimal stress.  Now, piecing together bits of information, localizing difficulties, balance problems, misunderstandings, attitudes of others and unpredictable drops in hearing increase daily stress and fatigue.
> 
> The list of challenges is equally long for individuals who are deaf and have lost or are losing vision.  Deaf people rely on their vision to compensate for their hearing loss.  Blind people use their hearing to compensate for their sight loss.  Deaf-blind people are only able to compensate for the loss of both sight and hearing by learning deaf-blind specific adaptations that focus on developing and integrating touch, taste, smell, kinesthesia and any remaining vision or hearing.
> 
> ?When I acknowledged the need and learned new ways of doing old things, my splintered pieces combined into a complete, though narrowed, whole.  I rejoice once again in being able -? differently able.?
> 
> Ruth Silver
> 1931-2017, leaves her brilliant thesis
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 18:40:33 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 20:40:33 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
In-Reply-To: <F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>
References: <90AFD65A7F9B490390E3D29D30C523B5@nancyPC>
	<F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQ9729qgH_6N2L4jc_WjVVGedPuoPjmtid9gupG8SrA8nYxSQ@mail.gmail.com>

So very true! I am only blind, but can see these problems in some of
my students and others who have some hearing problems.

On 9/23/17, DrV via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> This came across the NFB of CA Listserv & I wanted to share it.
> I found it to be powerful, thought-provoking, & inspiring.
> Peace,
> Eric V
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: nancy Lynn via NFBC-Info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: September 23, 2017 at 10:27:57 PDT
>> Reply-To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> I got this from another list and thought I'd share. It gives us much to
>> think about.
>> Hello
>> The author of this brilliant thesis just passed. I wanted to share this
>> with everyone. I could not have said it any better myself.
>> A UNIQUE DISABILITY
>> Deaf-blindness is not simply deafness plus blindness.  It is not two
>> disabilities put together.  It is one unique disability.  Let me try to
>> explain.  I am totally blind having lost my vision gradually starting in
>> childhood.  In young adulthood I started losing my hearing.  With hearing
>> aids, I am able to understand some speech in a quiet environment.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could socialize with many people at a gathering.
>> Now, at best, I can converse with the individual next to me.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could interact with people in a room where the
>> radio was playing, dishes were clattering and laughter abounded.  Now,
>> with background noise, I can understand nothing and be alone in a crowd.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could sense sadness, joy, anger and agitation by
>> a person?s tone of voice.  That is no longer possible and the loss
>> sometimes causes misunderstandings.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could hear the softest footsteps.  Today, I am
>> repeatedly startled by the voice of a person who has entered the room with
>> no forewarning.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could identify a person by his/her voice.  Now, I
>> cannot tell who is talking to me unless I first hear a name.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could move quickly with my white cane and, in
>> familiar surroundings, without it.  Now, I walk cautiously to avoid
>> bumping people since I cannot hear if others are around or where they
>> might be.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could retrieve a dropped item in seconds by
>> hearing where it fell.  No longer able to localize sound, I must now
>> search on my hands and knees and even then may not locate the item because
>> it rolled behind a door or into another room.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I could stand unsupported in the middle of a room,
>> bend over, turn sharply and jump out of bed quickly.  This is no longer
>> the case.  Like many others with hearing loss, I have balance problems,
>> which prohibit abrupt movements.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I had no difficulty hearing the ring of the
>> telephone or doorbell.  Today, even with amplified ringers, my responses
>> are inconsistent and I must consider using a vibrating alert system.
>>
>> When I was only blind, talking on the telephone was fun.  Now, even with
>> hearing aids combined with a volume control phone, some words are missed
>> and misunderstandings occur.  Sometimes I use a Braille-type telephone,
>> which is slower and does not convey the emotional nuances of the voice.
>>
>> When I was only blind, I spent hours listening to ?talking books?.  Most
>> voices now sound muffled.
>>
>> When I was only blind, my husband and I enjoyed movies; he provided an
>> occasional description.  Movies are confusing and no longer pleasurable.
>>
>> When I was only blind, life had minimal stress.  Now, piecing together
>> bits of information, localizing difficulties, balance problems,
>> misunderstandings, attitudes of others and unpredictable drops in hearing
>> increase daily stress and fatigue.
>>
>> The list of challenges is equally long for individuals who are deaf and
>> have lost or are losing vision.  Deaf people rely on their vision to
>> compensate for their hearing loss.  Blind people use their hearing to
>> compensate for their sight loss.  Deaf-blind people are only able to
>> compensate for the loss of both sight and hearing by learning deaf-blind
>> specific adaptations that focus on developing and integrating touch,
>> taste, smell, kinesthesia and any remaining vision or hearing.
>>
>> ?When I acknowledged the need and learned new ways of doing old things, my
>> splintered pieces combined into a complete, though narrowed, whole.  I
>> rejoice once again in being able -? differently able.?
>>
>> Ruth Silver
>> 1931-2017, leaves her brilliant thesis
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NFBC-Info mailing list
>> NFBC-Info at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NFBC-Info:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/icdx1111%40gmail.com
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From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 01:59:22 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:59:22 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
In-Reply-To: <F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>
References: <90AFD65A7F9B490390E3D29D30C523B5@nancyPC>
	<F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACsEhVJNDmoDrkJCYu4UQCU9Eau3PRXaisnEC5zGvJbzHfJWmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for posting, Eric.  This is important information.

I think sometimes deafblind people and their families feel isolated--not
quite part of the blind community and not quite part of the deaf
community.  As the writer said, the tricks that work for the one disability
are not usable for the other.  We should do what we can to welcome and get
to know deafblind members of NFB.  We who advocate for other families
should learn what we can about the tools and techniques deafblind people
use.  Just as with our plain blind students, whenever a deafblind student
succeeds, the bottom line is raised for ALL our kids.

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:13 PM, DrV via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> This came across the NFB of CA Listserv & I wanted to share it.
> I found it to be powerful, thought-provoking, & inspiring.
> Peace,
> Eric V
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: nancy Lynn via NFBC-Info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: September 23, 2017 at 10:27:57 PDT
> > Reply-To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> >
> > I got this from another list and thought I'd share. It gives us much to
> think about.
> > Hello
> > The author of this brilliant thesis just passed. I wanted to share this
> with everyone. I could not have said it any better myself.
> > A UNIQUE DISABILITY
> > Deaf-blindness is not simply deafness plus blindness.  It is not two
> disabilities put together.  It is one unique disability.  Let me try to
> explain.  I am totally blind having lost my vision gradually starting in
> childhood.  In young adulthood I started losing my hearing.  With hearing
> aids, I am able to understand some speech in a quiet environment.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could socialize with many people at a
> gathering. Now, at best, I can converse with the individual next to me.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could interact with people in a room where the
> radio was playing, dishes were clattering and laughter abounded.  Now, with
> background noise, I can understand nothing and be alone in a crowd.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could sense sadness, joy, anger and agitation
> by a person?s tone of voice.  That is no longer possible and the loss
> sometimes causes misunderstandings.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could hear the softest footsteps.  Today, I am
> repeatedly startled by the voice of a person who has entered the room with
> no forewarning.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could identify a person by his/her voice.  Now,
> I cannot tell who is talking to me unless I first hear a name.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could move quickly with my white cane and, in
> familiar surroundings, without it.  Now, I walk cautiously to avoid bumping
> people since I cannot hear if others are around or where they might be.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could retrieve a dropped item in seconds by
> hearing where it fell.  No longer able to localize sound, I must now search
> on my hands and knees and even then may not locate the item because it
> rolled behind a door or into another room.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could stand unsupported in the middle of a
> room, bend over, turn sharply and jump out of bed quickly.  This is no
> longer the case.  Like many others with hearing loss, I have balance
> problems, which prohibit abrupt movements.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I had no difficulty hearing the ring of the
> telephone or doorbell.  Today, even with amplified ringers, my responses
> are inconsistent and I must consider using a vibrating alert system.
> >
> > When I was only blind, talking on the telephone was fun.  Now, even with
> hearing aids combined with a volume control phone, some words are missed
> and misunderstandings occur.  Sometimes I use a Braille-type telephone,
> which is slower and does not convey the emotional nuances of the voice.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I spent hours listening to ?talking books?.  Most
> voices now sound muffled.
> >
> > When I was only blind, my husband and I enjoyed movies; he provided an
> occasional description.  Movies are confusing and no longer pleasurable.
> >
> > When I was only blind, life had minimal stress.  Now, piecing together
> bits of information, localizing difficulties, balance problems,
> misunderstandings, attitudes of others and unpredictable drops in hearing
> increase daily stress and fatigue.
> >
> > The list of challenges is equally long for individuals who are deaf and
> have lost or are losing vision.  Deaf people rely on their vision to
> compensate for their hearing loss.  Blind people use their hearing to
> compensate for their sight loss.  Deaf-blind people are only able to
> compensate for the loss of both sight and hearing by learning deaf-blind
> specific adaptations that focus on developing and integrating touch, taste,
> smell, kinesthesia and any remaining vision or hearing.
> >
> > ?When I acknowledged the need and learned new ways of doing old things,
> my splintered pieces combined into a complete, though narrowed, whole.  I
> rejoice once again in being able -? differently able.?
> >
> > Ruth Silver
> > 1931-2017, leaves her brilliant thesis
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NFBC-Info mailing list
> > NFBC-Info at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NFBC-Info:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/
> icdx1111%40gmail.com
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From lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu  Sun Sep 24 18:56:04 2017
From: lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu (Lydia Anne Schuck)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 18:56:04 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
In-Reply-To: <CACsEhVJNDmoDrkJCYu4UQCU9Eau3PRXaisnEC5zGvJbzHfJWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90AFD65A7F9B490390E3D29D30C523B5@nancyPC>
	<F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>,
	<CACsEhVJNDmoDrkJCYu4UQCU9Eau3PRXaisnEC5zGvJbzHfJWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM2PR0801MB0810F36A36E56723E0465C85C5650@DM2PR0801MB0810.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

And braille is so vital to a person who has DeafBlindness. If you can read braille through a refreshable display device, you can connect with family and the wide world through the internet and email. Another reason to advocate for braille. Lydia

________________________________
From: blindkid <blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:59:22 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
Cc: Carol Castellano
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability

Thanks for posting, Eric.  This is important information.

I think sometimes deafblind people and their families feel isolated--not
quite part of the blind community and not quite part of the deaf
community.  As the writer said, the tricks that work for the one disability
are not usable for the other.  We should do what we can to welcome and get
to know deafblind members of NFB.  We who advocate for other families
should learn what we can about the tools and techniques deafblind people
use.  Just as with our plain blind students, whenever a deafblind student
succeeds, the bottom line is raised for ALL our kids.

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org<http://www.blindchildren.org>
www.nopbc.org<http://www.nopbc.org>

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:13 PM, DrV via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> This came across the NFB of CA Listserv & I wanted to share it.
> I found it to be powerful, thought-provoking, & inspiring.
> Peace,
> Eric V
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: nancy Lynn via NFBC-Info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: September 23, 2017 at 10:27:57 PDT
> > Reply-To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> >
> > I got this from another list and thought I'd share. It gives us much to
> think about.
> > Hello
> > The author of this brilliant thesis just passed. I wanted to share this
> with everyone. I could not have said it any better myself.
> > A UNIQUE DISABILITY
> > Deaf-blindness is not simply deafness plus blindness.  It is not two
> disabilities put together.  It is one unique disability.  Let me try to
> explain.  I am totally blind having lost my vision gradually starting in
> childhood.  In young adulthood I started losing my hearing.  With hearing
> aids, I am able to understand some speech in a quiet environment.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could socialize with many people at a
> gathering. Now, at best, I can converse with the individual next to me.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could interact with people in a room where the
> radio was playing, dishes were clattering and laughter abounded.  Now, with
> background noise, I can understand nothing and be alone in a crowd.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could sense sadness, joy, anger and agitation
> by a person?s tone of voice.  That is no longer possible and the loss
> sometimes causes misunderstandings.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could hear the softest footsteps.  Today, I am
> repeatedly startled by the voice of a person who has entered the room with
> no forewarning.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could identify a person by his/her voice.  Now,
> I cannot tell who is talking to me unless I first hear a name.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could move quickly with my white cane and, in
> familiar surroundings, without it.  Now, I walk cautiously to avoid bumping
> people since I cannot hear if others are around or where they might be.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could retrieve a dropped item in seconds by
> hearing where it fell.  No longer able to localize sound, I must now search
> on my hands and knees and even then may not locate the item because it
> rolled behind a door or into another room.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I could stand unsupported in the middle of a
> room, bend over, turn sharply and jump out of bed quickly.  This is no
> longer the case.  Like many others with hearing loss, I have balance
> problems, which prohibit abrupt movements.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I had no difficulty hearing the ring of the
> telephone or doorbell.  Today, even with amplified ringers, my responses
> are inconsistent and I must consider using a vibrating alert system.
> >
> > When I was only blind, talking on the telephone was fun.  Now, even with
> hearing aids combined with a volume control phone, some words are missed
> and misunderstandings occur.  Sometimes I use a Braille-type telephone,
> which is slower and does not convey the emotional nuances of the voice.
> >
> > When I was only blind, I spent hours listening to ?talking books?.  Most
> voices now sound muffled.
> >
> > When I was only blind, my husband and I enjoyed movies; he provided an
> occasional description.  Movies are confusing and no longer pleasurable.
> >
> > When I was only blind, life had minimal stress.  Now, piecing together
> bits of information, localizing difficulties, balance problems,
> misunderstandings, attitudes of others and unpredictable drops in hearing
> increase daily stress and fatigue.
> >
> > The list of challenges is equally long for individuals who are deaf and
> have lost or are losing vision.  Deaf people rely on their vision to
> compensate for their hearing loss.  Blind people use their hearing to
> compensate for their sight loss.  Deaf-blind people are only able to
> compensate for the loss of both sight and hearing by learning deaf-blind
> specific adaptations that focus on developing and integrating touch, taste,
> smell, kinesthesia and any remaining vision or hearing.
> >
> > ?When I acknowledged the need and learned new ways of doing old things,
> my splintered pieces combined into a complete, though narrowed, whole.  I
> rejoice once again in being able -? differently able.?
> >
> > Ruth Silver
> > 1931-2017, leaves her brilliant thesis
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NFBC-Info mailing list
> > NFBC-Info at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NFBC-Info:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/
> icdx1111%40gmail.com
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From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 19:17:56 2017
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:17:56 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
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	<F8DAC66A-035F-455C-8922-E5DD300F0D26@gmail.com>
	<CACsEhVJNDmoDrkJCYu4UQCU9Eau3PRXaisnEC5zGvJbzHfJWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes!  One of my daughter's best friends is deafblind and they communicate
in braille via their BrailleNotes.  It's lovely to see!

Carol

Carol Castellano
Parents of Blind Children-NJ
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Lydia Anne Schuck via blindkid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> And braille is so vital to a person who has DeafBlindness. If you can read
> braille through a refreshable display device, you can connect with family
> and the wide world through the internet and email. Another reason to
> advocate for braille. Lydia
>
> ________________________________
> From: blindkid <blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Carol
> Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:59:22 PM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
> Cc: Carol Castellano
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
>
> Thanks for posting, Eric.  This is important information.
>
> I think sometimes deafblind people and their families feel isolated--not
> quite part of the blind community and not quite part of the deaf
> community.  As the writer said, the tricks that work for the one disability
> are not usable for the other.  We should do what we can to welcome and get
> to know deafblind members of NFB.  We who advocate for other families
> should learn what we can about the tools and techniques deafblind people
> use.  Just as with our plain blind students, whenever a deafblind student
> succeeds, the bottom line is raised for ALL our kids.
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org<http://www.blindchildren.org>
> www.nopbc.org<http://www.nopbc.org>
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:13 PM, DrV via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> > This came across the NFB of CA Listserv & I wanted to share it.
> > I found it to be powerful, thought-provoking, & inspiring.
> > Peace,
> > Eric V
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: nancy Lynn via NFBC-Info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> > > Date: September 23, 2017 at 10:27:57 PDT
> > > Reply-To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> > >
> > > I got this from another list and thought I'd share. It gives us much to
> > think about.
> > > Hello
> > > The author of this brilliant thesis just passed. I wanted to share this
> > with everyone. I could not have said it any better myself.
> > > A UNIQUE DISABILITY
> > > Deaf-blindness is not simply deafness plus blindness.  It is not two
> > disabilities put together.  It is one unique disability.  Let me try to
> > explain.  I am totally blind having lost my vision gradually starting in
> > childhood.  In young adulthood I started losing my hearing.  With hearing
> > aids, I am able to understand some speech in a quiet environment.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could socialize with many people at a
> > gathering. Now, at best, I can converse with the individual next to me.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could interact with people in a room where the
> > radio was playing, dishes were clattering and laughter abounded.  Now,
> with
> > background noise, I can understand nothing and be alone in a crowd.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could sense sadness, joy, anger and agitation
> > by a person?s tone of voice.  That is no longer possible and the loss
> > sometimes causes misunderstandings.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could hear the softest footsteps.  Today, I am
> > repeatedly startled by the voice of a person who has entered the room
> with
> > no forewarning.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could identify a person by his/her voice.
> Now,
> > I cannot tell who is talking to me unless I first hear a name.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could move quickly with my white cane and, in
> > familiar surroundings, without it.  Now, I walk cautiously to avoid
> bumping
> > people since I cannot hear if others are around or where they might be.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could retrieve a dropped item in seconds by
> > hearing where it fell.  No longer able to localize sound, I must now
> search
> > on my hands and knees and even then may not locate the item because it
> > rolled behind a door or into another room.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I could stand unsupported in the middle of a
> > room, bend over, turn sharply and jump out of bed quickly.  This is no
> > longer the case.  Like many others with hearing loss, I have balance
> > problems, which prohibit abrupt movements.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I had no difficulty hearing the ring of the
> > telephone or doorbell.  Today, even with amplified ringers, my responses
> > are inconsistent and I must consider using a vibrating alert system.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, talking on the telephone was fun.  Now, even
> with
> > hearing aids combined with a volume control phone, some words are missed
> > and misunderstandings occur.  Sometimes I use a Braille-type telephone,
> > which is slower and does not convey the emotional nuances of the voice.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, I spent hours listening to ?talking books?.
> Most
> > voices now sound muffled.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, my husband and I enjoyed movies; he provided an
> > occasional description.  Movies are confusing and no longer pleasurable.
> > >
> > > When I was only blind, life had minimal stress.  Now, piecing together
> > bits of information, localizing difficulties, balance problems,
> > misunderstandings, attitudes of others and unpredictable drops in hearing
> > increase daily stress and fatigue.
> > >
> > > The list of challenges is equally long for individuals who are deaf and
> > have lost or are losing vision.  Deaf people rely on their vision to
> > compensate for their hearing loss.  Blind people use their hearing to
> > compensate for their sight loss.  Deaf-blind people are only able to
> > compensate for the loss of both sight and hearing by learning deaf-blind
> > specific adaptations that focus on developing and integrating touch,
> taste,
> > smell, kinesthesia and any remaining vision or hearing.
> > >
> > > ?When I acknowledged the need and learned new ways of doing old things,
> > my splintered pieces combined into a complete, though narrowed, whole.  I
> > rejoice once again in being able -? differently able.?
> > >
> > > Ruth Silver
> > > 1931-2017, leaves her brilliant thesis
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NFBC-Info mailing list
> > > NFBC-Info at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NFBC-Info:
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbc-info_nfbnet.org/
> > icdx1111%40gmail.com
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> > blindkid mailing list
> > blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > blindkid:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/
> > carol.joyce.castellano%40gmail.com
> >
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 19:20:57 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:20:57 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
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Yes, we constantly talk about Hellen Keler, but seems as we are
foergetting the deafblind population nowadays. Not much is done in
this regard, especially in developing and third world countries. Most
deafblind people sit at home not doing much and not having proper
education and support.

On 9/24/17, Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes!  One of my daughter's best friends is deafblind and they communicate
> in braille via their BrailleNotes.  It's lovely to see!
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Lydia Anne Schuck via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> And braille is so vital to a person who has DeafBlindness. If you can read
>> braille through a refreshable display device, you can connect with family
>> and the wide world through the internet and email. Another reason to
>> advocate for braille. Lydia
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: blindkid <blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Carol
>> Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:59:22 PM
>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> Cc: Carol Castellano
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Fwd: A Unique Disability
>>
>> Thanks for posting, Eric.  This is important information.
>>
>> I think sometimes deafblind people and their families feel isolated--not
>> quite part of the blind community and not quite part of the deaf
>> community.  As the writer said, the tricks that work for the one
>> disability
>> are not usable for the other.  We should do what we can to welcome and get
>> to know deafblind members of NFB.  We who advocate for other families
>> should learn what we can about the tools and techniques deafblind people
>> use.  Just as with our plain blind students, whenever a deafblind student
>> succeeds, the bottom line is raised for ALL our kids.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> Carol Castellano
>> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>> 973-377-0976
>> carol_castellano at verizon.net
>> www.blindchildren.org<http://www.blindchildren.org>
>> www.nopbc.org<http://www.nopbc.org>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:13 PM, DrV via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> > This came across the NFB of CA Listserv & I wanted to share it.
>> > I found it to be powerful, thought-provoking, & inspiring.
>> > Peace,
>> > Eric V
>> >
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >
>> > > From: nancy Lynn via NFBC-Info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Date: September 23, 2017 at 10:27:57 PDT
>> > > Reply-To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> > >
>> > > I got this from another list and thought I'd share. It gives us much
>> > > to
>> > think about.
>> > > Hello
>> > > The author of this brilliant thesis just passed. I wanted to share
>> > > this
>> > with everyone. I could not have said it any better myself.
>> > > A UNIQUE DISABILITY
>> > > Deaf-blindness is not simply deafness plus blindness.  It is not two
>> > disabilities put together.  It is one unique disability.  Let me try to
>> > explain.  I am totally blind having lost my vision gradually starting in
>> > childhood.  In young adulthood I started losing my hearing.  With
>> > hearing
>> > aids, I am able to understand some speech in a quiet environment.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could socialize with many people at a
>> > gathering. Now, at best, I can converse with the individual next to me.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could interact with people in a room where
>> > > the
>> > radio was playing, dishes were clattering and laughter abounded.  Now,
>> with
>> > background noise, I can understand nothing and be alone in a crowd.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could sense sadness, joy, anger and agitation
>> > by a person?s tone of voice.  That is no longer possible and the loss
>> > sometimes causes misunderstandings.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could hear the softest footsteps.  Today, I
>> > > am
>> > repeatedly startled by the voice of a person who has entered the room
>> with
>> > no forewarning.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could identify a person by his/her voice.
>> Now,
>> > I cannot tell who is talking to me unless I first hear a name.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could move quickly with my white cane and, in
>> > familiar surroundings, without it.  Now, I walk cautiously to avoid
>> bumping
>> > people since I cannot hear if others are around or where they might be.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could retrieve a dropped item in seconds by
>> > hearing where it fell.  No longer able to localize sound, I must now
>> search
>> > on my hands and knees and even then may not locate the item because it
>> > rolled behind a door or into another room.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I could stand unsupported in the middle of a
>> > room, bend over, turn sharply and jump out of bed quickly.  This is no
>> > longer the case.  Like many others with hearing loss, I have balance
>> > problems, which prohibit abrupt movements.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I had no difficulty hearing the ring of the
>> > telephone or doorbell.  Today, even with amplified ringers, my responses
>> > are inconsistent and I must consider using a vibrating alert system.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, talking on the telephone was fun.  Now, even
>> with
>> > hearing aids combined with a volume control phone, some words are missed
>> > and misunderstandings occur.  Sometimes I use a Braille-type telephone,
>> > which is slower and does not convey the emotional nuances of the voice.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, I spent hours listening to ?talking books?.
>> Most
>> > voices now sound muffled.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, my husband and I enjoyed movies; he provided an
>> > occasional description.  Movies are confusing and no longer pleasurable.
>> > >
>> > > When I was only blind, life had minimal stress.  Now, piecing together
>> > bits of information, localizing difficulties, balance problems,
>> > misunderstandings, attitudes of others and unpredictable drops in
>> > hearing
>> > increase daily stress and fatigue.
>> > >
>> > > The list of challenges is equally long for individuals who are deaf
>> > > and
>> > have lost or are losing vision.  Deaf people rely on their vision to
>> > compensate for their hearing loss.  Blind people use their hearing to
>> > compensate for their sight loss.  Deaf-blind people are only able to
>> > compensate for the loss of both sight and hearing by learning deaf-blind
>> > specific adaptations that focus on developing and integrating touch,
>> taste,
>> > smell, kinesthesia and any remaining vision or hearing.
>> > >
>> > > ?When I acknowledged the need and learned new ways of doing old
>> > > things,
>> > my splintered pieces combined into a complete, though narrowed, whole.
>> > I
>> > rejoice once again in being able -? differently able.?
>> > >
>> > > Ruth Silver
>> > > 1931-2017, leaves her brilliant thesis
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 04:59:58 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:59:58 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Schedule for Monday
Message-ID: <CAOQ9729Ct4sS2ukMEH8Xzo9GoYbvqdrnLtveGfECNLmCsQ3arw@mail.gmail.com>

8:30 a.m. Prayer Together
 Location: Prayer Room
 Host: Brother Tim
 Let's join together in prayer. Bring praises, thanksgiving and requests.
10:00 a.m. Christian Circle of Friends
 Location: Women Only
 Host: Sister Betsy
 We will read and discuss a Christian book.
1:00 p.m. Christian Circle of Friends
 Location: Women Only
 Host: Sister Betsy
 Enjoy Bible study and fellowship.
2:00 p.m. Men Gather
 Location: Men Only
 Host: Various
 Men gather for Bible study, prayer and discussion.
3:00 p.m. Praise and Prayer Service
 Location: God's House
 Host: Sister Trinh
 Take time each day to praise, worship and pray.
7:00 p.m. All for God Worship Experience
 Location: The Refuge
 Host: Sister Colleen
 Hurting souls and those who care for them can gather for worship,
teaching and sharing.
10:00 p.m. Prayer Together
 Location: Prayer Room
 Host: Sister Trinh
 Let's join together in prayer, for our nations, our leaders and our world.
11:00 p.m. Conversation Fellowship
 Location: God's Way Inn
 Host: Sister Betsy
 Night owls enjoy fellowship and conversation.



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 12:09:57 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:09:57 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Stories
Message-ID: <CAOQ972-epSyk4bC3GEmpRb7wu0Z_31=xQxcOMyn78F23oCa_kg@mail.gmail.com>

 Have you everwritten or came across stories you think would be great
learning resources for blind children?



From cscumings at comcast.net  Wed Sep 27 12:06:14 2017
From: cscumings at comcast.net (cheryl cumings)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:06:14 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Career exploration workshop for students and adults who
 are blind
Message-ID: <007d01d33789$049c5d80$0dd51880$@comcast.net>

Hello,

Our Space our Place and its partners are very excited to announce the World
of Careers workshop.

Date: Thursday November 16, 2017

Time: 10:00 AM - 2:30 PM

Location: District Hall, 75 Northern Avenue, Boston, Ma 02115

Cost: Free

This workshop is for students and adults with disabilities who want to know
more about the types of jobs in the working world and who want to figure out
how to use their interests and experiences to get a job. 

Attend the World of Careers workshop and learn 

.         About the many types of jobs which exists 

.         Meet people working today and ask them questions about how they
got their job and what they do every day at work and

.         Work together with others to find out how your interests and
skills can assist you to find a job

 

Light breakfast and lunch will be available

Please let us know about your accommodation needs by Thursday October 26,
2017 

To get more information:

Call: (617) 459-4084

Email: President at ourspaceourplace.org

To register for World of Careers workshop

http://www.ourspaceourplace.org/eventdetails.php

 

 

Sponsors

District Hall

https://districthallboston.org/

Reader's digest- Partners for Sight Foundation

https://partnersforsight.org/

Boston Center for blind children

https://www.bostoncenterforblindchildren.org/

Our Space Our Place, Inc. Inc.

Http://www.ourspaceourplace.org

 

 

 



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 18:39:14 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:39:14 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] incidental learning
Message-ID: <CAOQ9729Az_E1ifAWKJWGJ+3h5qN-TjvYhQWWteczt3Vv5p8Q1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hope this post would make us stay on the awareness path when it comes
to deafblind children and supporting them better.
https://cvimomifesto.com/2017/09/27/who-put-salt-in-the-water-incidental-learning-and-enough-already/



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 16:59:38 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:59:38 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Blind talk
Message-ID: <CAOQ9729FBpaLPDFuxfEZzKotO5j054_OzHykujh8S5EXW_zRcg@mail.gmail.com>

This is a blog post that someone who lost their sight later in life
did, hope we can give some more feedback on this.
https://www.thinkingoutloud-sassystyle.com/things-i-dont-get-about-blind-people/



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 17:49:00 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:49:00 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Facebook group
Message-ID: <CAOQ9729g_XXF76khye8t=zkMUpCmfESQZvsZgaXpn2n98xQinw@mail.gmail.com>

if you are a teacher, parent, relative   or hope to one day work
withblind children, feel free to join a facebook group called
University students, teachers and parents of visually ipaired children
You can look it up by search or click the link and open the join group button.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1516751958628637?refid=46&sld=eyJzZWFyY2hfc2lkIjoiZTM4YTBmMDBjZWNkNGIxMTYxNmJkMmVjZGE2MTE5YTIiLCJxdWVyeSI6IlVuaXZlcnNpdHkgc3R1ZGVudHMsIHRlYWNoZXJzIiwic2VhcmNoX3R5cGUiOiJTZWFyY2giLCJzZXF1ZW5jZV9pZCI6MjA2MDA1Njg1NywicGFnZV9udW1iZXIiOjEsImZpbHRlcl90eXBlIjoiU2VhcmNoIiwiZW50X2lkIjoxNTE2NzUxOTU4NjI4NjM3LCJwb3NpdGlvbiI6MCwicmVzdWx0X3R5cGUiOjY5fQ%3D%3D



From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 17:54:54 2017
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:54:54 +0200
Subject: [blindkid] Website for blind parents and others
Message-ID: <CAOQ972_kTDs_j-YeO8jyij_ALmq_JrJi9Lfc9gT5_GXnrcn3NA@mail.gmail.com>

This is a UK site aimed to support blind parents and others.
www.bringingustogether.org.uk



