From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jul  1 01:53:22 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:53:22 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
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This is good advice, while a young kid may be able to keep up, with 
print, as he gets older, and the demands increase, many kids just 
can't keep up with print.

It is best to learn Braille early, much easier.

Dave

At 02:25 PM 6/30/2012, you wrote:
>My son is a dual media learner.  He has albinism, and a corrected vision of
>around 20/400.  He started learning braille in kindergarten, and is now
>entering 4th grade.  One of the more challenging things with being a dual
>media learner is that there's a lot to learn with Braille... it takes time
>to learn all of the contractions, so for a while, your child may find print
>reading easier, faster, and perhaps more appealing.  I know that for my
>son, there was a long period of time where he could read more advanced
>material in print than in braille, so he gravitated toward print books.  I
>had to require that he read braille books.  We found the Braille Readers
>are Leaders contest to be very motivational for him.  But this year (3rd
>grade), his braille skills finally have (far) surpassed his print skills.
>  He can read books like Harry Potter, Charlie Bone, etc. in braille, and he
>can only read early readers and (sometimes) easy chapter books.  Eye
>fatigue is a huge issue for him, and he really cannot sustain the print
>reading for long.  I am a big supporter of the dual media approach.
>
>In terms of overloading your child, I wouldn't worry about it.  Kids are
>like sponges and your son is at the ideal age to learn braille.  For my
>son, he learned braille using the Patterns series, and also followed the
>normal reading/language arts curriculum in large print.  Other people use
>different approaches.
>
>Karen Leinart
>
>From: Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com>
> > To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > Cc:
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:56:30 -0400
> > Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
> > My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200.  He can see large
> > print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner.  I've been
> > reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most tools, but
> > I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too many things to learn
> > at once.  Does anyone have any input on the best way to go about teaching
> > him Braille and print?  I'm going to talk to his IU teacher also, but so
> > far, the IU has been focusing on using the vision he has.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nicole




From amydarlington at comcast.net  Sun Jul  1 02:11:30 2012
From: amydarlington at comcast.net (amydarlington at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
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Our daughter also has albinism and is 20/200 (also field delay). She's 4 and will be starting kindergarten in the fall. 

Karen, I'm wondering how your son got Braille. Did your TVI and state organization for blind support the dual media approach? We do not have support here at all. I know legally they have to unless they can prove Braille is not necessary currently (and in future). But it doesn't happen for the low vision kids unless the families here take legal action. And also I get the sense that at some point a choice has to be made between Braille and print. What was it like for you in the early years when your son was starting school? I would love to hear more, as what you described happening for your son (with adapting to Braille) is what we are hoping for our daughter. 

We are approaching Braille at home, and low vision aids for school. But we are also considering homeschooling as it offers the ability to adapt to needs. We already homeschool our son. I just wish it was not such a struggle to get kids what they need in the school system. 

Amy 


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com> 
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org> 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:53:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print? 

This is good advice, while a young kid may be able to keep up, with 
print, as he gets older, and the demands increase, many kids just 
can't keep up with print. 

It is best to learn Braille early, much easier. 

Dave 

At 02:25 PM 6/30/2012, you wrote: 
>My son is a dual media learner. He has albinism, and a corrected vision of 
>around 20/400. He started learning braille in kindergarten, and is now 
>entering 4th grade. One of the more challenging things with being a dual 
>media learner is that there's a lot to learn with Braille... it takes time 
>to learn all of the contractions, so for a while, your child may find print 
>reading easier, faster, and perhaps more appealing. I know that for my 
>son, there was a long period of time where he could read more advanced 
>material in print than in braille, so he gravitated toward print books. I 
>had to require that he read braille books. We found the Braille Readers 
>are Leaders contest to be very motivational for him. But this year (3rd 
>grade), his braille skills finally have (far) surpassed his print skills. 
> He can read books like Harry Potter, Charlie Bone, etc. in braille, and he 
>can only read early readers and (sometimes) easy chapter books. Eye 
>fatigue is a huge issue for him, and he really cannot sustain the print 
>reading for long. I am a big supporter of the dual media approach. 
> 
>In terms of overloading your child, I wouldn't worry about it. Kids are 
>like sponges and your son is at the ideal age to learn braille. For my 
>son, he learned braille using the Patterns series, and also followed the 
>normal reading/language arts curriculum in large print. Other people use 
>different approaches. 
> 
>Karen Leinart 
> 
>From: Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com> 
> > To: blindkid at nfbnet.org 
> > Cc: 
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:56:30 -0400 
> > Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print? 
> > My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200. He can see large 
> > print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner. I've been 
> > reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most tools, but 
> > I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too many things to learn 
> > at once. Does anyone have any input on the best way to go about teaching 
> > him Braille and print? I'm going to talk to his IU teacher also, but so 
> > far, the IU has been focusing on using the vision he has. 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Nicole 


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From leinartk at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 18:00:32 2012
From: leinartk at gmail.com (Karen Leinart)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:00:32 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille and print
Message-ID: <CABruL-tR8XWF4NjTk6RydWL6mhybZSGGuEakEF--3MA8AZHKew@mail.gmail.com>

Amy,

Our son did not get Braille without a fight.  I was told that no child with
albinism has ever needed braille, that even if he learned it he'd never use
it, he would always read it visually, he was a visual learner, etc.  I know
many have heard all of those excuses.  The federation was very helpful in
my fight.  They helped me get independent evaluations and recommendations,
and provided an advocate. We got the braille goals added to the IEP, and
ultimately, my son was placed in a resource program for blind kids at a
different school district.  Although he was getting braille, I think
initially they still didn't believe it was necessary.  But when he started
having eye fatigue issues mid-year in first grade, their perspective seemed
to change.  His schedule was adjusted to provide more braille education,
and he made more progress.  At this point, his TVI is very much on board
with him being a braille reader, and she wants him to be successful at it.
 In my opinion, that is also part of "the fight"... you not only have to
get the goals in the IEP, you have to get teachers that want to make it
work.
Karen

> From: amydarlington at comcast.net
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
> Our daughter also has albinism and is 20/200 (also field delay). She's 4
> and will be starting kindergarten in the fall.
>
> Karen, I'm wondering how your son got Braille. Did your TVI and state
> organization for blind support the dual media approach? We do not have
> support here at all. I know legally they have to unless they can prove
> Braille is not necessary currently (and in future). But it doesn't happen
> for the low vision kids unless the families here take legal action. And
> also I get the sense that at some point a choice has to be made between
> Braille and print. What was it like for you in the early years when your
> son was starting school? I would love to hear more, as what you described
> happening for your son (with adapting to Braille) is what we are hoping for
> our daughter.
>
> We are approaching Braille at home, and low vision aids for school. But we
> are also considering homeschooling as it offers the ability to adapt to
> needs. We already homeschool our son. I just wish it was not such a
> struggle to get kids what they need in the school system.
>
> Amy
>
>


From ballstobooks at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 00:54:24 2012
From: ballstobooks at gmail.com (Brandy W)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:54:24 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille and print
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As a child I had 2400 in one eye and 2600 in the other, and now 2600 and
2800, and there is no way at all that I could read print as a full time
reading medium! I had a few people who tried, but only to return to Braille.
It made my Braille reading suffer extremely. It wasn't till I was an adult
that I got my reading speed up to something that is acceptable. Your child
may be able to read that work in Kindergarten and first grade, I could with
some perfect lighting, and great strain, but he absolutely won't be able to
read it when it is 12 pt ft in a paperback book in third grade. Because of
this I hated to read as a child, but would listen to a million books in
audio format. Even today I tend not to read much Braille for pleasure, but I
use it for so many things. I don't think I read enough for pleasure because
it brings back a great of feelings of struggling from the lack of proper
instruction. I do read for pleasure a little every day. I also read for
devotion, hymns at church, recipes, medication, spices, toys and books I use
in my child care and tutoring business. Things that if I had been forced to
be a print reader would be pretty hard to enlarge enough to read. Fight for
that Braille!

Bran




"To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
a spark." 
- Victor Hugo 

Brandy Wojcik  Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
(512) 689-5045
www.playtoachieve.com
Follow me on Face Book at
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Looking forward to helping you with your educational toy needs!

-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Karen Leinart
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:01 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille and print

Amy,

Our son did not get Braille without a fight.  I was told that no child with
albinism has ever needed braille, that even if he learned it he'd never use
it, he would always read it visually, he was a visual learner, etc.  I know
many have heard all of those excuses.  The federation was very helpful in my
fight.  They helped me get independent evaluations and recommendations, and
provided an advocate. We got the braille goals added to the IEP, and
ultimately, my son was placed in a resource program for blind kids at a
different school district.  Although he was getting braille, I think
initially they still didn't believe it was necessary.  But when he started
having eye fatigue issues mid-year in first grade, their perspective seemed
to change.  His schedule was adjusted to provide more braille education, and
he made more progress.  At this point, his TVI is very much on board with
him being a braille reader, and she wants him to be successful at it.
 In my opinion, that is also part of "the fight"... you not only have to get
the goals in the IEP, you have to get teachers that want to make it work.
Karen

> From: amydarlington at comcast.net
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" < 
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
> Our daughter also has albinism and is 20/200 (also field delay). She's 
> 4 and will be starting kindergarten in the fall.
>
> Karen, I'm wondering how your son got Braille. Did your TVI and state 
> organization for blind support the dual media approach? We do not have 
> support here at all. I know legally they have to unless they can prove 
> Braille is not necessary currently (and in future). But it doesn't 
> happen for the low vision kids unless the families here take legal 
> action. And also I get the sense that at some point a choice has to be 
> made between Braille and print. What was it like for you in the early 
> years when your son was starting school? I would love to hear more, as 
> what you described happening for your son (with adapting to Braille) 
> is what we are hoping for our daughter.
>
> We are approaching Braille at home, and low vision aids for school. 
> But we are also considering homeschooling as it offers the ability to 
> adapt to needs. We already homeschool our son. I just wish it was not 
> such a struggle to get kids what they need in the school system.
>
> Amy
>
>
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From ballstobooks at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 15:43:24 2012
From: ballstobooks at gmail.com (Brandy W)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:43:24 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
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There is a yahoo group called Blindhomeschooler all 1 word I'm pretty sure.
It is a great place for home schooling. Tons of people HS their blind kids,
and it is better for all!



"To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
a spark." 
- Victor Hugo 

Brandy Wojcik  Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
(512) 689-5045
www.playtoachieve.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of amydarlington at comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:12 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print?

Our daughter also has albinism and is 20/200 (also field delay). She's 4 and
will be starting kindergarten in the fall. 

Karen, I'm wondering how your son got Braille. Did your TVI and state
organization for blind support the dual media approach? We do not have
support here at all. I know legally they have to unless they can prove
Braille is not necessary currently (and in future). But it doesn't happen
for the low vision kids unless the families here take legal action. And also
I get the sense that at some point a choice has to be made between Braille
and print. What was it like for you in the early years when your son was
starting school? I would love to hear more, as what you described happening
for your son (with adapting to Braille) is what we are hoping for our
daughter. 

We are approaching Braille at home, and low vision aids for school. But we
are also considering homeschooling as it offers the ability to adapt to
needs. We already homeschool our son. I just wish it was not such a struggle
to get kids what they need in the school system. 

Amy 


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
<blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:53:22 PM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print? 

This is good advice, while a young kid may be able to keep up, with print,
as he gets older, and the demands increase, many kids just can't keep up
with print. 

It is best to learn Braille early, much easier. 

Dave 

At 02:25 PM 6/30/2012, you wrote: 
>My son is a dual media learner. He has albinism, and a corrected vision 
>of around 20/400. He started learning braille in kindergarten, and is 
>now entering 4th grade. One of the more challenging things with being a 
>dual media learner is that there's a lot to learn with Braille... it 
>takes time to learn all of the contractions, so for a while, your child 
>may find print reading easier, faster, and perhaps more appealing. I 
>know that for my son, there was a long period of time where he could 
>read more advanced material in print than in braille, so he gravitated 
>toward print books. I had to require that he read braille books. We 
>found the Braille Readers are Leaders contest to be very motivational 
>for him. But this year (3rd grade), his braille skills finally have (far)
surpassed his print skills.
> He can read books like Harry Potter, Charlie Bone, etc. in braille, 
>and he can only read early readers and (sometimes) easy chapter books. 
>Eye fatigue is a huge issue for him, and he really cannot sustain the 
>print reading for long. I am a big supporter of the dual media approach.
> 
>In terms of overloading your child, I wouldn't worry about it. Kids are 
>like sponges and your son is at the ideal age to learn braille. For my 
>son, he learned braille using the Patterns series, and also followed 
>the normal reading/language arts curriculum in large print. Other 
>people use different approaches.
> 
>Karen Leinart
> 
>From: Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com>
> > To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: 
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:56:30 -0400
> > Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print? 
> > My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200. He can see large 
> > print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner. I've been 
> > reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most 
> > tools, but I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too 
> > many things to learn at once. Does anyone have any input on the best 
> > way to go about teaching him Braille and print? I'm going to talk to 
> > his IU teacher also, but so far, the IU has been focusing on using the
vision he has.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Nicole


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From deniserob at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 14:43:44 2012
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:43:44 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] for all NFB families
Message-ID: <CAAxsd_55t6N47GOSiDAxX2fYJiPkz6bNLpq0EwucBTt=_E58eg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you to all the families that showed up at the technology session at
the NFB convention. WOW, what a turn out. We may need a bigger room next
time--big smile. You can reach me at this email or yourtechvision at gmail.com.


Remember the most important tool for anyone is learning a PC and for a
blind person, add the talking software. As promised, the Everything lessons
for WORD are now free for download until the end of July. You can find them
at this link:
http://www.yourtechvision.com/products/beginner/microsoft-word

I apologize to the families who asked me questions later on technology. The
pain in my head that refused to leave me over the weekend was severely
hindering my intellectual processes. Now that I have had a good night sleep
in my own bed, I can now respond with more coherence.

If you would like to hook an Apex to an itool, such as ipad, ipod, etc.,
make sure your child is comfortable with the Apex: turning on bluetooth,
going to braille terminal and can braille words and knows how to move
around it. Once this is established, then pair with the itool. For those
who I set up voice over on the ipad, I fear I may have forgotten to tell
you how to turn it off. You hit the home button 3 times to turn it on, and
you hit the home button 3 times to turn it off. Great flexibility this way
for you and your child. All itool lessons can be found at:
http://www.yourtechvision.com/products/macitools

The Apex works a bit differently than other displays and when you are ready
here is the link to the special commands, otherwise the videos I have put
out on using the refreshabraille display will work. The videos will also
give you a good idea on how to get going and moving for both these tools.
Here is the link:
http://www.yourtechvision.com/products/connect-or-pair-apex-braille-note-ipad-using-bluetooth

Here is a link to all the videos that I went over during the tech session
and so much more. I was only able to just touch on areas, so here are
fuller version. http://www.youtube.com/user/yourtechvision?feature=mhee

When you go to yourtechvision.com you will find hundreds of articles giving
you extensive information on just about any subject and then links to take
you to where you want to go for further information. Remember to register,
then login in and add anything you need to cart, then check out. The
lessons will always be on the site, so even if you lose them, you can
always come back and redownload them. A huge advantage for anyone learning
organizational skills. You can also sign up to be notified of new lessons
and articles coming out.

Also, put an "all call" out to blind individuals in your community to add
to your team. I guarantee you there is a tech expert and braille expert in
your neighborhood. They can take over the aspects your TVI does not know
and while they teach your child, the TVI can sit in on lessons and learn
too. Then the TVI can take that knowledge and teach other kids. Everyone
helping each other with their best attributes. We need to think beyond the
box in order to get all our children educated. We cannot have them going
without....as so many are. Let's use the expertise around us.

Thank you everyone once again and don't hesitate to ask questions you need
help with. If I do not know the answer, I most likely know who to direct
you to. It was great meeting all the new faces and a great pleasure seeing
the ones I know. Thank you Bonnie for keeping me on time check!!

-- 
*Denise*

Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
CEO, TechVision, LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
doing it." --Chinese Proverb

Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination.
--Albert Einstein

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
--Walt Disney


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jul  4 17:29:55 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:29:55 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Fw: [Sfl-announce] Announcing the 2013 Ski for Light
 International Week
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:dejawiese at sbcglobal.net>Deb W
>To: <mailto:sfl-announce at sfl.org>sfl-announce at sfl.org
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:14 PM
>Subject: [Sfl-announce] Announcing the 2013 Ski for Light International Week
>
> >  Heat Got You Down?
>
>Then Stop!
>
>Consider for a moment: You are gliding in deep tracks on a 
>crystalline snow packed ski trail with the cool crisp air in your 
>face. Sound good?
>
>
>
>If so, the 38th annual Ski for Light International Week scheduled to 
>be held from Sunday evening, January 27 through Sunday morning, 
>February 3, 2013 might just b your ticket to relief .
>
>
>
>The event will take place at the Shanty Creek Resort in Bellaire 
>Michigan.  This venue is a new site for SFL and offers many 
>amenities including  a 30 kilometer cross-country trail system, two 
>downhill ski mountains, a terrain park, a tubing hill, snowshoe 
>trails,  outdoor and indoor swimming pools and hot-tubs, a fitness 
>center, steam room, sauna and full-service spa and much more.  The 
>ski area is only a short shuttle ride from the Lakeview Hotel and 
>Conference Center where we will be staying.   Shanty Creek is rated 
>as the best outdoor family recreation resort in the Midwest.
>
>
>
>Interested?
>
>
>
>      For additional information and easy to complete online 
> applications, go to:   <http://www.sfl.org>www.sfl.org. Please read 
> the online info to learn the details of two features that are new 
> for SFL 2013. These are an Early Bird Special for guides, and Early 
> Admission for VIPs and MIPs.
>
>
>
>Hope to see you there!
>
>
>
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From sarah.dallis at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 17:00:14 2012
From: sarah.dallis at gmail.com (Sarah Dallis)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:00:14 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
Message-ID: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.

Thanks in advance

Sarah Dallis

Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com

Pampered Chef Consultant

Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis


From pennyduffy at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 17:43:18 2012
From: pennyduffy at gmail.com (Penny Duffy)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:43:18 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
In-Reply-To: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABb_=QdT-D7AjZov4tPwGgBY=uswFaNcjsn2MBaKefHGda7Djw@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah a toddler bed and a crib is almost the same same size. Toddler beds
are closer to the floor and the child can get in and out of the bed. You
could look into a a twin bed and get a bed rail for it. That is what I
would do with both my than sighted children at two if I was concerned they
would fall out of bed. I don't remember that far back.   Does she fall out
of beds often?  She may be fine. Not sure if its a blindness thing and just
every kid is different kind of thing.  As a step first you could start with
the mattress on the floor but my kids would have ended up on the floor
anyways.  I was reminded this past week at convention that I know nothing
about blind babies.

--Penny
----------
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On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Sarah Dallis
>
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>
> Pampered Chef Consultant
>
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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From ballstobooks at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 17:43:50 2012
From: ballstobooks at gmail.com (Brandy W)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:43:50 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
In-Reply-To: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cd5c68$12359cb0$36a0d610$@com>

Hi, I can think of a few options. One is the crib is made for kids up to 3
so if you are both ok with it you can leave here there till she gets used to
it. You could just put the crib mattress on the floor, or get a twin, and
put a bed tent over it. They make all kinds of cute kid ones and then you
could zip her in at night, and help her get out in the morning so she will
eventually learn how.

Bran




"To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
a spark." 
- Victor Hugo 

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From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Dallis
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 1:00 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?

Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I would
like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I can't
switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to get a
full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls off it's
not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a futon
that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and then put
a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get off a
couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what the best
option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.

Thanks in advance

Sarah Dallis

Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com

Pampered Chef Consultant

Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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From barnesraiser at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 18:34:14 2012
From: barnesraiser at gmail.com (Carly B)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:34:14 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
In-Reply-To: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJqR5WZ6dCUb5yjwb8PsSSE=gomgJmRGVpzMYt2EGCQGHx0fg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sarah,

When we adopted our blind son at age 5, we put him straight into a toddler
bed that we got at Ikea. Interesting to me, Ikea toddler beds are to
European standards, not U.S. and so they are more narrow and longer. As a
result, at least for us, the bed worked just fine for our then 5yo until he
was about 7. (And he is not a small kid... 80th percentile on the U.S.
charts.)

Ikea beds come with mattresses. We spent about $100 and except for sheets
(which are very reasonable) regular bedding can fit on it. We snugged it
between the wall and our bed (for attachment reasons) and it fit just
perfect. When we finally put him in his own bedroom in a twin bed, he was
fine.

I'm not sure where you live or how near an Ikea store may be to you, but
here's a link (there's even a bed with three sides that against a wall
would act much like a crib:

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/childrens_ikea/18723/

hth!

:) Carolynn

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Sarah Dallis
>
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>
> Pampered Chef Consultant
>
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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From barnesraiser at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 18:36:40 2012
From: barnesraiser at gmail.com (Carly B)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:36:40 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
In-Reply-To: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJqR5WwHVh0wmE2kocGv_0YoSN+SYTC5r2yFGaJ1QG4aHq-pw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry, I think the mattresses are sold separately. Sorry about that.

:) Carolynn

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Sarah Dallis
>
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>
> Pampered Chef Consultant
>
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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From rholloway at gopbc.org  Sat Jul  7 18:48:17 2012
From: rholloway at gopbc.org (Richard Holloway)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:48:17 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
In-Reply-To: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCtqcAGnnd2SivzktjV75oTrnVN2Z=q+nbZEnSATYUgBZvRUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6769570E-0449-4EB5-B152-A3CAD922E725@gopbc.org>

We were worried about this with our daughter (no light perception, now age 9) when she was a baby as well. 

As the parent of three kids, two typically sighted and one of the sighted kids now 18 (so she is 9 years older than my blind daughter), I probably should have realized we were overly concerned about this for our blind child. In retrospect, my oldest and very typical daughter was more prone to fall out of the bed and in fact of the three kids, both of the sighted kids have fallen out more. How ironic does that seem?

Nonetheless, typical side-guards on a bed didn't seem the best plan for our blind daughter. We felt that sliding around them to get out of bed was confusing without a visual concept of the location (probably also incorrect, but it made sense at the time). 

What we ended up doing was using a day-bed with a trundle bed that slides from under the main bed and then lifts up to make a double bed. At night, we'd pull out the lower bed a couple of feet and Kendra would sleep on her bed with no side rail or guard of any kind. Once in a while, she'd roll off (not often). When she did, she would "fall" about one mattress thickness to the lower bed. If she "fell" again, she was maybe 3 inches more than a mattress thickness above the carpet over a carpet pad.  Think of two mattresses, stacked like steps above the carpet. If that is not enough for your concern, add a pad at the edge of the lower "step".

With this setup, In the morning, we would just push in the lower bed. If she had a bad night (or a sleepover when she was older) we'd pull the lower bed clear out and raise it, then the parent (or sighted guest) would sleep on the extended part of the double bed without the sides and block Kendra in somewhat.

Over time, it became a non-issue and we never had a single bed-fall worth mentioning. I know every situation is different, but if you think about it, many kids (and adults) sleep in very dark places and get out of bed with very little visual assistance, so I expect it is not all that surprising that there are generally few issues with blind children falling out of bed more than average.

We did have a situation when Kendra was younger though, and still in her crib which I am still trying to figure out: Kendra, as it turns out, was a "climber". One night, we walked into her room and found her fast asleep, literally balanced across two (perpendicular) sides of her crib, face down, right in the corner. (One arm and one leg each inside and outside the crib; amazing!) For that we found something called a "crib tent", because we did feel that a fall to even a carpeted floor from over the top rail of the crib was potentially very dangerous. Problem solved. They also keep most cats out of the crib if that should become a concern.

Here is a link to a picture of one: http://reviews.buybuybaby.com/8658/BAB15029064/reviews.htm

Hope that helps!

Richard



On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Sarah Dallis wrote:

> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Sarah Dallis
> 
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
> 
> Pampered Chef Consultant
> 
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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From sarah.dallis at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 20:54:38 2012
From: sarah.dallis at gmail.com (Sarah Dallis)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:54:38 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
Message-ID: <84AD29C7-0921-48A9-927E-FBE61C9913B3@gmail.com>

Thanks to you all. I guess my primary concern for her falling is when she wakes up in the middle of the night (like she normally does between 2-4am) that she will fall out then. 

And I have considered keeping her in her crib but I'm pregnant with #2 and it's hard for me to get her in and out. And to change the sheets and to give her meds when necessary at night without pulling her out. My husband is a huge help but I'm the one who stays home with her, so I get up in the middle of the night for meds. 

Sent from Sarah's iPhone

Sarah Dallis
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From ballstobooks at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 20:59:45 2012
From: ballstobooks at gmail.com (Brandy W)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:59:45 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
In-Reply-To: <84AD29C7-0921-48A9-927E-FBE61C9913B3@gmail.com>
References: <84AD29C7-0921-48A9-927E-FBE61C9913B3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cd5c83$70ba2150$522e63f0$@com>

Does the crib turn into a toddler bed? If it does you can put the open side
towards the wall, and just roll it away from the wall to access her.
Congratulations on the second little one.



"To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
a spark." 
- Victor Hugo 

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From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Dallis
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 4:55 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?

Thanks to you all. I guess my primary concern for her falling is when she
wakes up in the middle of the night (like she normally does between 2-4am)
that she will fall out then. 

And I have considered keeping her in her crib but I'm pregnant with #2 and
it's hard for me to get her in and out. And to change the sheets and to give
her meds when necessary at night without pulling her out. My husband is a
huge help but I'm the one who stays home with her, so I get up in the middle
of the night for meds. 

Sent from Sarah's iPhone

Sarah Dallis
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From purplecakers at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 02:01:16 2012
From: purplecakers at yahoo.com (Carol Akers)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:01:16 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 99, Issue 5
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Sarah,
As others said, a toddler bed isn't any bigger than a crib, so would really be a waste of money. I, also used the twin bed & a bed rail. There are some nice rails that are actually netting type or cloth, which basically protect by giving kids a defined boundary. Along with protection from falling, it also gives the child an idea of how much space there is for wiggle room. Eventually, my son Dustin discovered how to crawl out the bottom & then we got rid of the rail, but it was helpful for a yr or so. He has had a double bed for years now.  Against the wall is always a safer method. As for the mattress on the floor, I am personally opposed to it for multiple reasons, including hygienic & the added strain to adult backs!  Good luck! 

Carol's Verizon


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> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Sarah Dallis
> 
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
> 
> Pampered Chef Consultant
> 
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
> 
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> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:43:18 -0400
> From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
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> Sarah a toddler bed and a crib is almost the same same size. Toddler beds
> are closer to the floor and the child can get in and out of the bed. You
> could look into a a twin bed and get a bed rail for it. That is what I
> would do with both my than sighted children at two if I was concerned they
> would fall out of bed. I don't remember that far back.   Does she fall out
> of beds often?  She may be fine. Not sure if its a blindness thing and just
> every kid is different kind of thing.  As a step first you could start with
> the mattress on the floor but my kids would have ended up on the floor
> anyways.  I was reminded this past week at convention that I know nothing
> about blind babies.
> 
> --Penny
> ----------
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> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
>> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
>> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
>> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
>> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
>> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
>> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
>> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
>> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
>> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
>> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
>> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Sarah Dallis
>> 
>> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>> 
>> Pampered Chef Consultant
>> 
>> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:43:50 -0400
> From: "Brandy W" <ballstobooks at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Kid Mailing List,    \(for parents of blind children\)'"
>    <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> Message-ID: <000b01cd5c68$12359cb0$36a0d610$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi, I can think of a few options. One is the crib is made for kids up to 3
> so if you are both ok with it you can leave here there till she gets used to
> it. You could just put the crib mattress on the floor, or get a twin, and
> put a bed tent over it. They make all kinds of cute kid ones and then you
> could zip her in at night, and help her get out in the morning so she will
> eventually learn how.
> 
> Bran
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
> a spark." 
> - Victor Hugo 
> 
> Brandy Wojcik  Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
> (512) 689-5045
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Dallis
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 1:00 PM
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> 
> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I would
> like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I can't
> switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to get a
> full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls off it's
> not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a futon
> that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and then put
> a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get off a
> couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what the best
> option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Sarah Dallis
> 
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
> 
> Pampered Chef Consultant
> 
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:34:14 -0500
> From: Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)"
>    <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> When we adopted our blind son at age 5, we put him straight into a toddler
> bed that we got at Ikea. Interesting to me, Ikea toddler beds are to
> European standards, not U.S. and so they are more narrow and longer. As a
> result, at least for us, the bed worked just fine for our then 5yo until he
> was about 7. (And he is not a small kid... 80th percentile on the U.S.
> charts.)
> 
> Ikea beds come with mattresses. We spent about $100 and except for sheets
> (which are very reasonable) regular bedding can fit on it. We snugged it
> between the wall and our bed (for attachment reasons) and it fit just
> perfect. When we finally put him in his own bedroom in a twin bed, he was
> fine.
> 
> I'm not sure where you live or how near an Ikea store may be to you, but
> here's a link (there's even a bed with three sides that against a wall
> would act much like a crib:
> 
> http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/childrens_ikea/18723/
> 
> hth!
> 
> :) Carolynn
> 
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
>> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
>> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
>> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
>> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
>> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
>> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
>> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
>> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
>> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
>> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
>> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Sarah Dallis
>> 
>> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>> 
>> Pampered Chef Consultant
>> 
>> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:36:40 -0500
> From: Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)"
>    <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> Message-ID:
>    <CAMJqR5WwHVh0wmE2kocGv_0YoSN+SYTC5r2yFGaJ1QG4aHq-pw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm sorry, I think the mattresses are sold separately. Sorry about that.
> 
> :) Carolynn
> 
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
>> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
>> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
>> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
>> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
>> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
>> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
>> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
>> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
>> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
>> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
>> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Sarah Dallis
>> 
>> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>> 
>> Pampered Chef Consultant
>> 
>> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:48:17 -0400
> From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,    \(for parents of blind children\)"
>    <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> Message-ID: <6769570E-0449-4EB5-B152-A3CAD922E725 at gopbc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> We were worried about this with our daughter (no light perception, now age 9) when she was a baby as well. 
> 
> As the parent of three kids, two typically sighted and one of the sighted kids now 18 (so she is 9 years older than my blind daughter), I probably should have realized we were overly concerned about this for our blind child. In retrospect, my oldest and very typical daughter was more prone to fall out of the bed and in fact of the three kids, both of the sighted kids have fallen out more. How ironic does that seem?
> 
> Nonetheless, typical side-guards on a bed didn't seem the best plan for our blind daughter. We felt that sliding around them to get out of bed was confusing without a visual concept of the location (probably also incorrect, but it made sense at the time). 
> 
> What we ended up doing was using a day-bed with a trundle bed that slides from under the main bed and then lifts up to make a double bed. At night, we'd pull out the lower bed a couple of feet and Kendra would sleep on her bed with no side rail or guard of any kind. Once in a while, she'd roll off (not often). When she did, she would "fall" about one mattress thickness to the lower bed. If she "fell" again, she was maybe 3 inches more than a mattress thickness above the carpet over a carpet pad.  Think of two mattresses, stacked like steps above the carpet. If that is not enough for your concern, add a pad at the edge of the lower "step".
> 
> With this setup, In the morning, we would just push in the lower bed. If she had a bad night (or a sleepover when she was older) we'd pull the lower bed clear out and raise it, then the parent (or sighted guest) would sleep on the extended part of the double bed without the sides and block Kendra in somewhat.
> 
> Over time, it became a non-issue and we never had a single bed-fall worth mentioning. I know every situation is different, but if you think about it, many kids (and adults) sleep in very dark places and get out of bed with very little visual assistance, so I expect it is not all that surprising that there are generally few issues with blind children falling out of bed more than average.
> 
> We did have a situation when Kendra was younger though, and still in her crib which I am still trying to figure out: Kendra, as it turns out, was a "climber". One night, we walked into her room and found her fast asleep, literally balanced across two (perpendicular) sides of her crib, face down, right in the corner. (One arm and one leg each inside and outside the crib; amazing!) For that we found something called a "crib tent", because we did feel that a fall to even a carpeted floor from over the top rail of the crib was potentially very dangerous. Problem solved. They also keep most cats out of the crib if that should become a concern.
> 
> Here is a link to a picture of one: http://reviews.buybuybaby.com/8658/BAB15029064/reviews.htm
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Sarah Dallis wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone. My daughter is coming up on her 2 year birthday and she is
>> blind (there may be some light perception but not much). She doesn't walk,
>> talk, or crawl. (She's so close to walking and talking, but is not into
>> being on all fours to crawl or play.) She's getting a little big and I
>> would like to move her out of her crib, but I don't know what bed to get. I
>> can't switch her to a toddler bed because she'll fall out. Her TVI said to
>> get a full size mattress and put it on the floor so if she rolls or falls
>> off it's not a far drop. I talked to another parent who got her blind son a
>> futon that was low to the ground, pushed it into a corner in the room and
>> then put a pillow across the open side. But then again he knows how to get
>> off a couch, while my daugter will fall off the couch. I'm not sure what
>> the best option would be so I wanted to gather others opinons.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Sarah Dallis
>> 
>> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
>> 
>> Pampered Chef Consultant
>> 
>> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:54:38 -0400
> From: Sarah Dallis <sarah.dallis at gmail.com>
> To: "blindkid at nfbnet.org" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> Message-ID: <84AD29C7-0921-48A9-927E-FBE61C9913B3 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Thanks to you all. I guess my primary concern for her falling is when she wakes up in the middle of the night (like she normally does between 2-4am) that she will fall out then. 
> 
> And I have considered keeping her in her crib but I'm pregnant with #2 and it's hard for me to get her in and out. And to change the sheets and to give her meds when necessary at night without pulling her out. My husband is a huge help but I'm the one who stays home with her, so I get up in the middle of the night for meds. 
> 
> Sent from Sarah's iPhone
> 
> Sarah Dallis
> Pampered Chef Consultant
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:59:45 -0400
> From: "Brandy W" <ballstobooks at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Kid Mailing List,    \(for parents of blind children\)'"
>    <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> Message-ID: <003c01cd5c83$70ba2150$522e63f0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Does the crib turn into a toddler bed? If it does you can put the open side
> towards the wall, and just roll it away from the wall to access her.
> Congratulations on the second little one.
> 
> 
> 
> "To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
> a spark." 
> - Victor Hugo 
> 
> Brandy Wojcik  Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
> (512) 689-5045
> www.playtoachieve.com
> Follow me on Face Book at
> http://www.facebook.com/PlayToAchieve.DiscoveryToys 
> 
> Read my new blog at www.playtoachieveballstobooks.wordpress.com
> 
> Looking forward to helping you with your educational toy needs!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Dallis
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 4:55 PM
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] From a crib to a bed?
> 
> Thanks to you all. I guess my primary concern for her falling is when she
> wakes up in the middle of the night (like she normally does between 2-4am)
> that she will fall out then. 
> 
> And I have considered keeping her in her crib but I'm pregnant with #2 and
> it's hard for me to get her in and out. And to change the sheets and to give
> her meds when necessary at night without pulling her out. My husband is a
> huge help but I'm the one who stays home with her, so I get up in the middle
> of the night for meds. 
> 
> Sent from Sarah's iPhone
> 
> Sarah Dallis
> Pampered Chef Consultant
> Order 24/7 Online: http://www.pamperedchef.biz/sarahdallis
> Mom to Ellie: http://elliesgrace.blogspot.com
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From ortonsmom at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 02:08:22 2012
From: ortonsmom at gmail.com (Joy Orton)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:08:22 +0800
Subject: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus
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Dear friends,

My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for
multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.

I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method,
described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource
Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs
more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of
this method, and how many are using it?

Thanks!
Joy



From nursekimber94 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 03:56:59 2012
From: nursekimber94 at yahoo.com (Kimberly Ruffin)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] New to NFB,
	I would love to hear some personal highlights from those who went
	to the 2012 convention.
Message-ID: <1341892619.35573.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone,
I'm new to the NFB, our two youngest children are VI our daughter who is 5 has CVI. Our son is 4 with bilateral detached retinas. We plan on going to this years Ohio convention and next year's national convention. I would love to hear from parents who have been. 
Thanks,
Kim Ruffin

From pennyduffy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 04:49:36 2012
From: pennyduffy at gmail.com (Penny Duffy)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:49:36 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] New to NFB,
 I would love to hear some personal highlights from those who went
 to the 2012 convention.
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References: <1341892619.35573.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Kim,

Welcome.

My daughter 8 year old daughter became blind about two years ago.  One of
the very best things I have done is getting invovled with the NOPBC
(National Organization of Parents of Blind Children) and the NFB.  In case
you don't know the NOPBC is the parent's division of the NFB.  Its the best
resource a parent can have.

I am a little tired so I hope my answer is clear.  I love convention.  I
know we hope to go to every single convention we can.

The NOPBC conference is a wonderful event than generally  has some going on
from for the first 4 days of the Convention.
Some of the highlights of this years conference



1. a wonderful style for the kids.  This was something new thing year but
it was wonderful to see the kids show their pride of walk down showing
their outfits and answering questions.

2. Kid Talk with Dr Maurer (who is the national president of the NFB) He
gets right on the floor and answers all kinds of questions from the kids.

3.  A wonderful IEP information session I have learned new things every
single year.

4. Other wonderful topics in work shops.  Including the ones about reading.


5. Two wonderful panels one with collage age kids and the other with
younger kids.  The kids steal the show.

6.  Everything else. There is nothing that isn't valuable or useful Nothing
beats being able to show your child great blind role models.

7. How did I forget the braille book fair.  If you want to see a singular
event that shows that braille is far from outdated or dead then this is for
you.  Its a frenzy filled and overwhelming experience that is
a celebration of literacy. My daughter left with 3 large boxes of books.

I know i missed something. I haven't writen my blog post for this years
convention.

I know looking at the whole NFB convention can seem like too much but
really if its possible i would stay for the the whole thing and go to all
the general sessions.  There is always great speakers and it also helps you
understand how the NFB does its business and how it works. I know my first
year I saw it extra. It didn't seem seem important. It is VERY important.
There is also other great meeting going on other days but i never have time
to do everything.  It is not possible to do everything. Visiting the
exhibit hall is always great. I saw some great new products and nothing
beat seeing something in person.

I bet there will be some articles about this years convention in both
Future Reflections and the Braille Monitor. So keep on the look out for
that. I imagine the August Braille monitor and the the next Future
Reflections (which comes out a few times a year) will go over some of the
stuff of this years convention.

Here is a link to last years Future Reflections
http://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr30/4/fr3004tc.htm   under the
personal reflections you will find one writen by me which was my first
convention experience.

-- 
-- 
--Penny
----------
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NH Parents of Blind Children http://www.nhpobc.org/
NHPOBC on facebook   https://www.facebook.com/nhpobc

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Kimberly Ruffin <nursekimber94 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm new to the NFB, our two youngest children are VI our daughter who is 5
> has CVI. Our son is 4 with bilateral detached retinas. We plan on going to
> this years Ohio convention and next year's national convention. I would
> love to hear from parents who have been.
> Thanks,
> Kim Ruffin
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From icdx at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 10 06:10:48 2012
From: icdx at earthlink.net (DrV)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:10:48 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] 2012 Convention Highlights - Wow! & Double Wow!
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Welcome Kimberly,
I?m not sure how Penny managed to write so much, so well, so quickly, but to
add to what she shared, here is my take as a now seasoned NOPBC parent of 2
blind kids, now ages 11 & 15.
I remember thinking ?Wow!? when we attended our first NFB National
Convention in Atlanta many years ago ? We had already been to a number of
non-NFB conferences, but that first NFB National Convention was
perception-changing & life-changing experience for all of us.
We have grown a lot since then. After a while, it might be easy to be lulled
into thinking ?I pretty much know it all? ? a ?been there, seen that, done
that? attitude, but in all honesty, I think that this was the best
conference we have attended to date.
The Saturday NOPBC Parent Conference was great.
The adult speakers were outstanding, as were the student speakers.
One theme that seemed to be echoed throughout the morning & kept popping up
in different venues throughout the conference was the vital role that
parents play. This came out in the talks by Dr Mauer,
Parnell Diggs, Gary Wunder & others ? their parents held high expectations -
their parents had an NFB Philosophy about blindness without necessarily
knowing it ,truly believing in the capacity & abilities of the blind.
The talks emphasized how kids need to be encouraged to reach out & explore;
to be pushed to problem solve & figure things out for themselves. I think it
was Gary who shared that his parents told him something along the lines of
?you will not be lazy - you have a brain & functioning body - figure out how
to do it?. One student shared the quote: ?The greatest gifts you can give
your children are the roots of responsibility and the wings of
independence.?
My high schooler noted this parental influence theme as well ? when I asked
him what he got out of Saturday morning, he shared that parents shape their
kids.
It was refreshing to hear acknowledgment of the vital role that we as
parents play in the lives of our children.
It was also neat to see so many high-achieving students & scholarship
winners & hear stories of where they are in their studies; what they have &
what they still hope to accomplish.
My elder son & I went to the Community Service Division Meeting & were both
really impressed by the attitudes & service projects of the mostly young
adult presenters, many of whom were mentors or participated in volunteer
programs outside of the blind community. We learned a variety of helpful &
neat strategies for learning how to find out about rewarding & fun community
service opportunities.
We learned so many new things last week.
My kids have no functional vision & both will be in instructional situations
next year that involve iPads. One of our goals was thus to learn to maneuver
through the iPad & link it with their BrailleNotes. I have to admit that
pre-convention I had still had reservations & remained somewhat skeptical of
how they would be using the iPad/iPhone, but we got some 1-on-1 instruction
& a few other opportunities to interact with totally blind users & I am now
convinced that these will be important tools for my kids ? Importantly,
after a week at Convention my kids can now maneuver through the iPad/iPhone,
write in Notes, read iBooks, & have started exploring various apps.
There are some great apps for blind individuals ? we will explore these
further & I can share more on that at the end of the summer.
Both my boys went out on own more than ever before & came back excited &
more confident in their abilities to do things.
Convention is a great opportunity to meet, connect & re-connect with people.
It provides a glimpse into what potential opportunities & obstacles lie down
the road so that you can take a more proactive & preemptive role as you make
decisions about raising & educating your child/children.
I will sum up our experience this year as ?Wow! & Double Wow!?
Sincerely,
Eric V
 
 
 


On 7/9/12 9:49 PM, "Penny Duffy" <pennyduffy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kim,
> 
> Welcome.
> 
> My daughter 8 year old daughter became blind about two years ago.  One of
> the very best things I have done is getting invovled with the NOPBC
> (National Organization of Parents of Blind Children) and the NFB.  In case
> you don't know the NOPBC is the parent's division of the NFB.  Its the best
> resource a parent can have.
> 
> I am a little tired so I hope my answer is clear.  I love convention.  I
> know we hope to go to every single convention we can.
> 
> The NOPBC conference is a wonderful event than generally  has some going on
> from for the first 4 days of the Convention.
> Some of the highlights of this years conference
> 
> 
> 
> 1. a wonderful style for the kids.  This was something new thing year but
> it was wonderful to see the kids show their pride of walk down showing
> their outfits and answering questions.
> 
> 2. Kid Talk with Dr Maurer (who is the national president of the NFB) He
> gets right on the floor and answers all kinds of questions from the kids.
> 
> 3.  A wonderful IEP information session I have learned new things every
> single year.
> 
> 4. Other wonderful topics in work shops.  Including the ones about reading.
> 
> 
> 5. Two wonderful panels one with collage age kids and the other with
> younger kids.  The kids steal the show.
> 
> 6.  Everything else. There is nothing that isn't valuable or useful Nothing
> beats being able to show your child great blind role models.
> 
> 7. How did I forget the braille book fair.  If you want to see a singular
> event that shows that braille is far from outdated or dead then this is for
> you.  Its a frenzy filled and overwhelming experience that is
> a celebration of literacy. My daughter left with 3 large boxes of books.
> 
> I know i missed something. I haven't writen my blog post for this years
> convention.
> 
> I know looking at the whole NFB convention can seem like too much but
> really if its possible i would stay for the the whole thing and go to all
> the general sessions.  There is always great speakers and it also helps you
> understand how the NFB does its business and how it works. I know my first
> year I saw it extra. It didn't seem seem important. It is VERY important.
> There is also other great meeting going on other days but i never have time
> to do everything.  It is not possible to do everything. Visiting the
> exhibit hall is always great. I saw some great new products and nothing
> beat seeing something in person.
> 
> I bet there will be some articles about this years convention in both
> Future Reflections and the Braille Monitor. So keep on the look out for
> that. I imagine the August Braille monitor and the the next Future
> Reflections (which comes out a few times a year) will go over some of the
> stuff of this years convention.
> 
> Here is a link to last years Future Reflections
> http://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/fr/fr30/4/fr3004tc.htm   under the
> personal reflections you will find one writen by me which was my first
> convention experience.
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> --Penny
> ----------
> My Blog - visionfora.blogspot.com
> 
> NH Parents of Blind Children http://www.nhpobc.org/
> NHPOBC on facebook   https://www.facebook.com/nhpobc
> 
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Kimberly Ruffin
> <nursekimber94 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>>  Hi Everyone,
>>  I'm new to the NFB, our two youngest children are VI our daughter who is 5
>>  has CVI. Our son is 4 with bilateral detached retinas. We plan on going to
>>  this years Ohio convention and next year's national convention. I would
>>  love to hear from parents who have been.
>>  Thanks,
>>  Kim Ruffin
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 23:07:00 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:07:00 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: [LCA] Fw: Fwd: Need a TVI for ESY...
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:51:33 -0400
Subject: [LCA] Fw: Fwd: Need a TVI for ESY...
To: LCA at yahoogroups.com

I?m sending this in case anyone might be able to help out, but to also
show what kind of obstacles our kids and their parents face in 2012!

Lori G.


Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: Need a TVI for ESY...





Urgent need for summer services for students:

Northern New York families are in need of TVI services to fulfill IEP
summer needs. JLHHO BOCES has only agreed to one day per week despite
some students' IEP's mandating 2-4 days per week this summer and did
not inform parents until this week. Legal support is being sought, but
that won't cover our students' needs in the short term. If you are a
licensed TVI and are interested in private or cross contracting by NNY
LEA's to help our students succeed, please contact Brooke Jensen,
Parents of Blind Children of NNY, at brooke.nash at gmail.com ASAP for
referral to families in need of services. Thank you!




-- 

Teacher of the Visually Impaired
C: (314) 374-6184, H: 315-681-6960
Email: brooke.nash at gmail.com



From wagner_g at aps.edu  Wed Jul 11 19:15:40 2012
From: wagner_g at aps.edu (Wagner, Gail Katona Y)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:15:40 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus
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I am a TVI and it's the only method I have used. It makes sense!!
Gail

________________________________________
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joy Orton [ortonsmom at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:08 PM
To: NFB Blindkid list
Subject: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus

Dear friends,

My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for
multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.

I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method,
described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource
Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs
more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of
this method, and how many are using it?

Thanks!
Joy

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From seacknit at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 19:34:24 2012
From: seacknit at gmail.com (Sally Thomas)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:34:24 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus
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The paper compatible method makes sense to sighted users but I like the
method Annie (I cannot remember her last name) teaches.  I think it is
faster and more intuitive.  You work from left to right instead of right to
left.

David abandoned the abacus for various reasons but I think it is very
useful.  I wish more kids learned it as I think understanding the mechanics
of math is important.

Sally Thomas

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Joy Orton <ortonsmom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
> It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for
> multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.
>
> I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method,
> described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource
> Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs
> more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of
> this method, and how many are using it?
>
> Thanks!
> Joy
>
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From cane.travel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 19:03:09 2012
From: cane.travel at gmail.com (Denise Mackenstadt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:03:09 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9
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I would say that the abacus is a great tool.  However, I also teach my students to show their work on the Brailler.  This skill is required for most state wide tests and in most curriculums.  Showing work on a Brailler also reinforces good use of Nemeth formatting and use of Nemeth notation.  For math success all of these tools need to be used effectively. I would be interested in the opinion of blind math students or professionals.
Denise Mackenstadt, NOMC
cane.travel at gmail.com
(206)419-9555



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> I am a TVI and it's the only method I have used. It makes sense!!
> Gail
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joy Orton [ortonsmom at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:08 PM
> To: NFB Blindkid list
> Subject: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
> It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for
> multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.
> 
> I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method,
> described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource
> Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs
> more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of
> this method, and how many are using it?
> 
> Thanks!
> Joy
> 
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> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:34:24 -0400
> From: Sally Thomas <seacknit at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,	(for parents of blind children)"
> 	<blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus
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> 
> The paper compatible method makes sense to sighted users but I like the
> method Annie (I cannot remember her last name) teaches.  I think it is
> faster and more intuitive.  You work from left to right instead of right to
> left.
> 
> David abandoned the abacus for various reasons but I think it is very
> useful.  I wish more kids learned it as I think understanding the mechanics
> of math is important.
> 
> Sally Thomas
> 
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Joy Orton <ortonsmom at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear friends,
>> 
>> My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
>> It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for
>> multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.
>> 
>> I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method,
>> described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource
>> Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs
>> more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of
>> this method, and how many are using it?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Joy
>> 
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From hpscheffer at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 19:52:49 2012
From: hpscheffer at aol.com (hpscheffer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [blindkid] new app for iPhone for deaf blind people
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PRESS RELEASE


 


New HumanWare iPhone app will get deaf-blind and sighted people talking
Montreal, July 12, 2012 - HumanWare, in partnership with Institut Nazareth et Louis-Braille (INLB), has unveiled the HumanWare Communicator, the first multilingual face-to-face conversation app for deaf-blind people. This unique app will help deaf-blind individuals communicate on an everyday basis by connecting a HumanWare Braille device (BrailleNote Apex or Brailliant) with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.



Now a deaf-blind person can use Bluetooth connectivity to pair their HumanWare Braille device to an iPhone, iPod, or iPad. In the absence of an interpreter, the HumanWare Communicator app then facilitates a conversation. The deaf-blind person converses through the Braille device and hands his or her tethered Apple device to the sighted person who uses the touch screen keyboard to respond. The face-to-face conversation appears in real time on both the refreshable Braille display and the iOS devices' screen.



HumanWare is the leader in digital communication for deaf-blind people, introducing DBC, the first portable face-to-face chat solution in 2008. The system combined the simplicity and portability of the popular BrailleNote with a companion visual interface running on a cell phone. For the first time, a deaf-blind person had portability and independence when having a face-to-face conversation, and since a familiar cell phone keyboard was used, the sighted individual had a very small learning curve to engage in a conversation.
"With the popularity and inclusion of assistive technology features in Apple's iOS devices, HumanWare has received a high demand to bring the face-to-face concept of the popular Deaf-Blind Communicator to the popular Apple devices. "The HumanWare Communicator app breaks everyday face to face communication down to its simplest form and will get everyone talking," says Greg Stilson, HumanWare product manager.
In 2000, HumanWare introduced the first BrailleNote. In 2005, the BrailleNote mPower was launched bringing USB connectivity and increased speed and efficiency to this range of productivity tools. Launched in December of 2009, the BrailleNote Apex, with a completely redesigned look, while maintaining the successful ergonomic design of past BrailleNotes, saw HumanWare pack the most powerful BrailleNote into the thinnest package available.
The HumanWare Communicator app will be available for standard download from Apple's app store at the end of July 2012. This app marks a major step forward in using mainstream technology to bring everyday communication to the deaf-blind population.
Find out more about HumanWare Deaf-Blind communication solutions at:www.humanware.com/deafblind


About HumanWare
HumanWare (www.humanware.com) is the global leader in assistive technologies for the print disabled. HumanWare provides products to people who are blind or have low vision, and students with learning disabilities. HumanWare offers a collection of innovative products, including BrailleNote, the leading productivity device for the blind in education, business and for personal use; the Victor Reader product line, the world's leading digital audiobook players; the SmartView family of handheld and desktop electronic magnifiers; Trekker Breeze, the all-in-one handheld talking GPS; and myReader2, HumanWare's unique "auto-reader."
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From ahall238 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 21:00:29 2012
From: ahall238 at yahoo.com (ahall238 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:00:29 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] New nemeth link
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> 
> Hello, 
> I was asked to pass this information to interested persons. This has to do with the nemeth website and handout Al  Lavoti spoke about in Texas during his technology session. He  found out after convention that the link wasn't working. The new link is below. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. Please pass this on to interested parties. 
> 
> http://nemethworksheets.weebly.com
> 
>> Have a good day.
> Thanks,
> 
> Amber Hall

From ballstobooks at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 21:17:58 2012
From: ballstobooks at gmail.com (Brandy W)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:17:58 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9
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	<B4073643-33FA-4EBC-BCAB-93924B82FD27@gmail.com>
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I strongly believe that my strong understanding of math concepts, and my
ability to calculate math in my head is because from day 1 I was made to do
all the math on my Brailler that my sighted peers did on paper. In the third
grade they let me do so many problems on the Brailler, and the rest on the
abacus. The abacus is great for understanding concepts as well, but the one
and only drawback is you can't look at the work you showed to figure out if
you are missing a concept or just calculated wrong. I had a horrible problem
where for whatever reason I would sometimes write a 4 when I meant 0 and the
other way around. We eventually figured this out because I showed my work,
and it was discovered that my fingers jump when I Braille meaning that my
fingers don't stay on the keys and I don't use the same finger for each key.
It is much better now, but if my pointer wasn't being used for dot 4, but I
was writing a letter that used dot 5 it jumped over to do that work. My
teacher figured this out because I did the math perfect on the abacus and in
my head, and because I showed my work. I still use the abacus today for so
many things and can't really imagine doing things differently. I keep score
when I play games such as scrabble, I jot down quick phone numbers, I bring
it to the store when I'm on a strict budget, and so so so much more!

Bran




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-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Denise Mackenstadt
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:03 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9

I would say that the abacus is a great tool.  However, I also teach my
students to show their work on the Brailler.  This skill is required for
most state wide tests and in most curriculums.  Showing work on a Brailler
also reinforces good use of Nemeth formatting and use of Nemeth notation.
For math success all of these tools need to be used effectively. I would be
interested in the opinion of blind math students or professionals.
Denise Mackenstadt, NOMC
cane.travel at gmail.com
(206)419-9555



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> From: "Wagner, Gail Katona Y" <wagner_g at aps.edu>
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> I am a TVI and it's the only method I have used. It makes sense!!
> Gail
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> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 8:08 PM
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> Subject: [blindkid] paper compatible abacus
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
> It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for 
> multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.
> 
> I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method, 
> described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource 
> Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs 
> more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of 
> this method, and how many are using it?
> 
> Thanks!
> Joy
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> From: Sally Thomas <seacknit at gmail.com>
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> The paper compatible method makes sense to sighted users but I like 
> the method Annie (I cannot remember her last name) teaches.  I think 
> it is faster and more intuitive.  You work from left to right instead 
> of right to left.
> 
> David abandoned the abacus for various reasons but I think it is very 
> useful.  I wish more kids learned it as I think understanding the 
> mechanics of math is important.
> 
> Sally Thomas
> 
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Joy Orton <ortonsmom at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear friends,
>> 
>> My daughter and I are working on learning to use the abacus for math.
>> It seems to be much faster than the Perkins brailler, especially for 
>> multiplying and dividing with multiple digits.
>> 
>> I just found out that there is a "paper compatible" abacus method, 
>> described by Doris Willoughby in "Handbook for Itinerant and Resource 
>> Teachers of Blind and VI Students." Wow! I think this method needs 
>> more publicity. So, I'd like to know, how many of you have heard of 
>> this method, and how many are using it?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Joy
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jul 14 02:44:42 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:44:42 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Chat with a Scientist
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>
>On July 26 at 1 p.m. EST the students who are attending Project 
>Innovation will be chatting with Dr. Dean Pesnell, Project Scientist 
>for the Solar Dynamics Observatory. You can join us and chat online 
>with a real scientist! Come learn with Dr. Dean Pesnell and all of 
>the Innovators at the NFB Jernigan Institute! See the email from 
>Jordan Snyder below with details on how you can join in.
>
>Years ago, scientists discovered vibrations on the surface of the 
>sun. Speculations at the time blamed faulty instruments for the 
>appearance of these vibrations. Later discoveries unexpectedly 
>revealed that these vibrations were created by sound waves, which 
>led scientists to understand the sun in a completely new way. We've 
>spent a lot of time analyzing images of the sun, but by simply 
>listening to these vibrations, we can learn so much about how the 
>sun is made up!
>
>Join NASA Explorer Schools for a very special live video chat with 
>Dr. Dean Pesnell, Project Scientist for the Solar Dynamics 
>Observatory. Dr. Pesnell will demonstrate how the simple concepts of 
>a pipe organ can show us what we can learn from solar sound waves. 
>He will discuss how sound waves reveal information about the 
>complex, multi-layered machine that is the sun. Join this chat at 1 
>p.m. EST on July 26 to ask Dr. Pesnell questions about his career 
>path, sounds of the sun, science careers for the visually impaired, 
>and anything else you're wondering about NASA!
>To join this chat, visit: 
><http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/nes2/home/chat-index.html>http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/nes2/home/chat-index.html
>


From kmssanderson at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 18:04:23 2012
From: kmssanderson at aol.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:04:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [blindkid] New England's Blind / Visually Impaired Alpine Ski
 Festival Week Opportunity
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Greeting All


A cool thought for these hot days of summer




New England Blind and Visually Impaired Alpine Ski Festival Week.  


This is the second annual event held at Sugarloaf Mountain Resort in Carrabasset Valley, Maine,  February 10 - 14, 2013.    This national event is designed to create a unique social, recreational and educational experience for skiers of all levels. Skiers will have the opportunity to develop their skiing abilities on all levels of terrain with their own guides or qualified festival volunteers. Skills enhancement will also be available for guides from Certified PSIA Adaptive and experienced clinicians.   Please visit our web site for additional information at http://nevifest.org/.   Also, we had a great time last year with participants enjoying activities in the evening, which we provided.  So we are pleased to offer them again this year.  We are working on updating the schedule of events on the web site over the next week or two, but in the meantime, I have listed the most up - to - date information for your promotional purposes below. 

I look forward to hearing from you and please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or concerns.


Check out NEVI FESTIVAL facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/NEVIFest

Kind Regards, 

Scott Anderson




2013 Tentative Schedule of Events





Sunday

 


4pm ? 6pm

Register and Check?in


6pm ? 8pm

Pizza Party


Monday

 


8am ? 9am

Continental Breakfast


9am ? 12pm

Ski Clinics


12pm ? 1pm

Lunch, on your own


1pm ? 3pm
5 pm ? 6 pm

Ski Clinics
Tubing


Evening

Enjoy SugarLoaf dining and activities 


Tuesday

 


8am ? 9am

Continental Breakfast


9am ? 12pm

Ski Clinics


12pm ? 1pm

Lunch, on your own


1pm ? 3pm
5 pm ? 7 pm

Ski Clinics
Cat Ride or Wine and Cheese Party


Evening

Enjoy SugarLoaf dining and activities 


Wednesday

 


8am ? 9am

Continental Breakfast


9am ? 12pm

Big Dog Race Program and Ski Clinics


12pm ? 1pm

Lunch, on your own


1pm ? 3pm

Big Dog Race Program and Ski Clinics and
Snowmobiling


6pm ? 8pm

Celebration Dinner Banquet


Thursday

 


8am ? 9am

Continental Breakfast


9am ? 12pm

Ski Clinics


12pm ? 1pm





From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jul 18 08:42:22 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 03:42:22 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] {Disarmed} Go back to school with Chrysanthemum!
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From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 17:05:12 2012
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:05:12 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
In-Reply-To: <4FEDEC4E.7020702@cannonig.com>
References: <4FEDEC4E.7020702@cannonig.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=LP_Po3QkrsuGa05+LGrpk3bqRVuDvy7qPxpOCP5Y-E54p_A@mail.gmail.com>

Sweetie:

Take this from someone who's been there, done that!!  I speak from
firsthand experience.  This duo-learning thing was only tried for a
while till my mom put her foot down and said "She's learning Braille
and I simply W O N ' T have it any other way!!!  I want her to have
one very good skill that she'll be able to handle efficiently and
profficiently for the rest of her life without any interuptions.  If
she learns print and loses her sight, then what?  She simply becomes
illiterate???  I won't have it!!!"  Since then gang, I've had both
eyes removed and now have prosthetic eyes.  My mother will have been
dead and gone now for 40 years in October.  and, guess what folks?
I'm still reading Braille and loving it!!!  Braille lives on!!!

Furthermore, I was a student at a school for the blind in Wisconsin
from K-12.  I've seen way, too many students which were taken that
route and later in life, they were profficient at neither reading
medium!!!  I also have a very close friend in Madison, WI whose
favorite passtime was, in fact, reading.  She used to present anywhere
from 53-60 book reports a year in English Class.  One morning about
fifteen years ago she woke up only to discover that she had lost her
remaining vision.  Worst of all, to her absolute horror and
devistation she suddenly became ILLITERATE???  Because she was never
taught Braille???  What a horrible, cruel, rude awakening!!!  She then
disappeared into the woodwork and very few of us ever hear from her
anymore!!!  All in the name of teaching her N O T to be bline, after
all, isn't it much better to allow her to use her remaining vision
with all the headaches and eye strain to go along with it rather than
teaching her an alternative technique that would stick with her for
life???  After all, she was a very bright woman with loads and loads
of potential!!!  God Bless her!  Wwe were best friends through high
school and I guess that's why I feel her pain so terribly!  Oh Honey:
I can think of story after story; name after name; and they all speak
the same language!  Please don't do that to your baby!!!

Bernie

On 6/29/12, Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com> wrote:
> My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200.  He can see large
> print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner.  I've been
> reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most tools,
> but I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too many things to
> learn at once.  Does anyone have any input on the best way to go about
> teaching him Braille and print?  I'm going to talk to his IU teacher
> also, but so far, the IU has been focusing on using the vision he has.
>
> Thanks,
> Nicole
>
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From kim at gulfimagesphoto.com  Wed Jul 18 17:26:59 2012
From: kim at gulfimagesphoto.com (Kim Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
In-Reply-To: <CAO=LP_Po3QkrsuGa05+LGrpk3bqRVuDvy7qPxpOCP5Y-E54p_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FEDEC4E.7020702@cannonig.com>
	<CAO=LP_Po3QkrsuGa05+LGrpk3bqRVuDvy7qPxpOCP5Y-E54p_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1342632419.77875.YahooMailNeo@web2802.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Bernie,
Thank you for saying what we also have learned. My daughter was also deemed a "visual learner" and suffered the consequences. We were told by a doctor when my daughter was very young, that we needed to input as much "vision" into the brain while we can (as if vision made you a smarter or better person - ugh!). He said she could always learn braille, but could NEVER learn vision. I put my belief in that theory until the need for reading (5th to 6th grade) increased and the fatigue took over. If I only knew then what I know now, we would have started with braille straight out of the womb! Parents, please listen to Bernie and understand she knows the reality of things.
Kim Cunnnigham


________________________________
From: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print?

Sweetie:

Take this from someone who's been there, done that!!? I speak from
firsthand experience.? This duo-learning thing was only tried for a
while till my mom put her foot down and said "She's learning Braille
and I simply W O N ' T have it any other way!!!? I want her to have
one very good skill that she'll be able to handle efficiently and
profficiently for the rest of her life without any interuptions.? If
she learns print and loses her sight, then what?? She simply becomes
illiterate???? I won't have it!!!"? Since then gang, I've had both
eyes removed and now have prosthetic eyes.? My mother will have been
dead and gone now for 40 years in October.? and, guess what folks?
I'm still reading Braille and loving it!!!? Braille lives on!!!

Furthermore, I was a student at a school for the blind in Wisconsin
from K-12.? I've seen way, too many students which were taken that
route and later in life, they were profficient at neither reading
medium!!!? I also have a very close friend in Madison, WI whose
favorite passtime was, in fact, reading.? She used to present anywhere
from 53-60 book reports a year in English Class.? One morning about
fifteen years ago she woke up only to discover that she had lost her
remaining vision.? Worst of all, to her absolute horror and
devistation she suddenly became ILLITERATE???? Because she was never
taught Braille???? What a horrible, cruel, rude awakening!!!? She then
disappeared into the woodwork and very few of us ever hear from her
anymore!!!? All in the name of teaching her N O T to be bline, after
all, isn't it much better to allow her to use her remaining vision
with all the headaches and eye strain to go along with it rather than
teaching her an alternative technique that would stick with her for
life???? After all, she was a very bright woman with loads and loads
of potential!!!? God Bless her!? Wwe were best friends through high
school and I guess that's why I feel her pain so terribly!? Oh Honey:
I can think of story after story; name after name; and they all speak
the same language!? Please don't do that to your baby!!!

Bernie

On 6/29/12, Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com> wrote:
> My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200.? He can see large
> print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner.? I've been
> reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most tools,
> but I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too many things to
> learn at once.? Does anyone have any input on the best way to go about
> teaching him Braille and print?? I'm going to talk to his IU teacher
> also, but so far, the IU has been focusing on using the vision he has.
>
> Thanks,
> Nicole
>
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From lyndaz918 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 17:40:59 2012
From: lyndaz918 at gmail.com (Lynda Zwinger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:40:59 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
In-Reply-To: <1342632419.77875.YahooMailNeo@web2802.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <4FEDEC4E.7020702@cannonig.com>
	<CAO=LP_Po3QkrsuGa05+LGrpk3bqRVuDvy7qPxpOCP5Y-E54p_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1342632419.77875.YahooMailNeo@web2802.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Ditto!

My son was a "dual learner" for his first year in school, but only because
I didn't know there was a "secondary medium" box checked on his IEP.  He
had enough sight to be able to read very large print flat up against his
nose.  As time goes on, and quantities increase and print decreases, that
modality just wasn't going to serve him well (here , thinking about college
reading loads and having to lug magnifying equipment as opposed to the
small and portable devices already available to the Braille reader  which
are bound to get smaller and cheaper too as time goes on).

I agree with Bernie and Kim whole-heartedly.  And where's the downside,
anyway?  I always figured I could teach my son print if it came to his
needing it someday--which is the basic logic the "experts" tried on me to
discourage Braille ("oh if he needs it someday, then he can learn it").  I
just turned it around and insisted that if he needed print someday he could
learn it, but in the meantime we will be writing "braille only" IEPs, thank
you very much.

It is a steep and overwhelming learning curve, all of this, and we all have
to make our own ways along it.  For me, single-media kept and keeps our
teachers focused (on reading comprehension, speed ,grade-level and above
expectations) on *reading*.  No divvying up precious instruction time, no
bickering about what assignments get done in which medium, no logistical
issues about switching back and forth, and above all no EXCUSES for not
holding my son to high expectations.

all best,
Lynda

Lynda Zwinger, Mom to Isaac, a literate about-to-be-7th-grader (yikes)

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Kim Cunningham <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>wrote:

> Bernie,
> Thank you for saying what we also have learned. My daughter was also
> deemed a "visual learner" and suffered the consequences. We were told by a
> doctor when my daughter was very young, that we needed to input as much
> "vision" into the brain while we can (as if vision made you a smarter or
> better person - ugh!). He said she could always learn braille, but could
> NEVER learn vision. I put my belief in that theory until the need for
> reading (5th to 6th grade) increased and the fatigue took over. If I only
> knew then what I know now, we would have started with braille straight out
> of the womb! Parents, please listen to Bernie and understand she knows the
> reality of things.
> Kim Cunnnigham
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
>
> Sweetie:
>
> Take this from someone who's been there, done that!!  I speak from
> firsthand experience.  This duo-learning thing was only tried for a
> while till my mom put her foot down and said "She's learning Braille
> and I simply W O N ' T have it any other way!!!  I want her to have
> one very good skill that she'll be able to handle efficiently and
> profficiently for the rest of her life without any interuptions.  If
> she learns print and loses her sight, then what?  She simply becomes
> illiterate???  I won't have it!!!"  Since then gang, I've had both
> eyes removed and now have prosthetic eyes.  My mother will have been
> dead and gone now for 40 years in October.  and, guess what folks?
> I'm still reading Braille and loving it!!!  Braille lives on!!!
>
> Furthermore, I was a student at a school for the blind in Wisconsin
> from K-12.  I've seen way, too many students which were taken that
> route and later in life, they were profficient at neither reading
> medium!!!  I also have a very close friend in Madison, WI whose
> favorite passtime was, in fact, reading.  She used to present anywhere
> from 53-60 book reports a year in English Class.  One morning about
> fifteen years ago she woke up only to discover that she had lost her
> remaining vision.  Worst of all, to her absolute horror and
> devistation she suddenly became ILLITERATE???  Because she was never
> taught Braille???  What a horrible, cruel, rude awakening!!!  She then
> disappeared into the woodwork and very few of us ever hear from her
> anymore!!!  All in the name of teaching her N O T to be bline, after
> all, isn't it much better to allow her to use her remaining vision
> with all the headaches and eye strain to go along with it rather than
> teaching her an alternative technique that would stick with her for
> life???  After all, she was a very bright woman with loads and loads
> of potential!!!  God Bless her!  Wwe were best friends through high
> school and I guess that's why I feel her pain so terribly!  Oh Honey:
> I can think of story after story; name after name; and they all speak
> the same language!  Please don't do that to your baby!!!
>
> Bernie
>
> On 6/29/12, Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com> wrote:
> > My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200.  He can see large
> > print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner.  I've been
> > reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most tools,
> > but I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too many things to
> > learn at once.  Does anyone have any input on the best way to go about
> > teaching him Braille and print?  I'm going to talk to his IU teacher
> > also, but so far, the IU has been focusing on using the vision he has.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nicole
> >
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From colemangirly at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 17:51:01 2012
From: colemangirly at yahoo.com (Rosina Solano)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] apps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.98.1342630850.25357.blindkid_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <1342633861.90911.YahooMailClassic@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Okay, I am sure that this has been visited, but we just got an ipod touch.? What are some good games for our teen aged kids?? I have an 11 and 14 year old.
?
Thanks


********************************************
Rosina Foster
www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children



?

From deniserob at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 18:00:25 2012
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:00:25 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] apps
In-Reply-To: <1342633861.90911.YahooMailClassic@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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here are a couple links
http://www.yourtechvision.com/content/accessible-games-and-cool-apps-blind-children
http://www.yourtechvision.com/content/best-ipad-apps-kids

A lot more on the site...just do a search on APPS in the search box

Denise

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Rosina Solano <colemangirly at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Okay, I am sure that this has been visited, but we just got an ipod
> touch.  What are some good games for our teen aged kids?  I have an 11 and
> 14 year old.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ********************************************
> Rosina Foster
> www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
> MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children
>
>
>
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CEO, TechVision, LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
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doing it." --Chinese Proverb

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slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination.
--Albert Einstein

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
--Walt Disney


From RJaquiss at nfb.org  Wed Jul 18 18:03:47 2012
From: RJaquiss at nfb.org (Jaquiss, Robert)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:03:47 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] learning braille & print?
In-Reply-To: <CAO=LP_Po3QkrsuGa05+LGrpk3bqRVuDvy7qPxpOCP5Y-E54p_A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAO=LP_Po3QkrsuGa05+LGrpk3bqRVuDvy7qPxpOCP5Y-E54p_A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello:

     I definitely agree with Bernie. I have been totally blind from birth. I read braille and if I couldn't, I wouldn't be employed. I do think it wise to know the shapes of printed letters and to have some understanding of what sighted people are looking at.
In the past, knowing the printed letters has kept me from going into the girls bathroom. During our recent national convention, I again called upon my knowledge to feel print letters when I was finding some of the meeting rooms. Some of the braille dots were missing from the signs. I am of the opinion that if a child knows and uses braille well, then the very occasional use of print to read a few words won't be a problem. Braille and the use of the long white cane are essential skils. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert



Robert Jaquiss
Access Technology Specialist
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
200 E. Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410) 659-9314, Ext.2422
Email: rjaquiss at nfb.org

-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bernadette Jacobs
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] learning braille & print?

Sweetie:

Take this from someone who's been there, done that!!  I speak from firsthand experience.  This duo-learning thing was only tried for a while till my mom put her foot down and said "She's learning Braille and I simply W O N ' T have it any other way!!!  I want her to have one very good skill that she'll be able to handle efficiently and profficiently for the rest of her life without any interuptions.  If she learns print and loses her sight, then what?  She simply becomes illiterate???  I won't have it!!!"  Since then gang, I've had both eyes removed and now have prosthetic eyes.  My mother will have been dead and gone now for 40 years in October.  and, guess what folks?
I'm still reading Braille and loving it!!!  Braille lives on!!!

Furthermore, I was a student at a school for the blind in Wisconsin from K-12.  I've seen way, too many students which were taken that route and later in life, they were profficient at neither reading medium!!!  I also have a very close friend in Madison, WI whose favorite passtime was, in fact, reading.  She used to present anywhere from 53-60 book reports a year in English Class.  One morning about fifteen years ago she woke up only to discover that she had lost her remaining vision.  Worst of all, to her absolute horror and devistation she suddenly became ILLITERATE???  Because she was never taught Braille???  What a horrible, cruel, rude awakening!!!  She then disappeared into the woodwork and very few of us ever hear from her anymore!!!  All in the name of teaching her N O T to be bline, after all, isn't it much better to allow her to use her remaining vision with all the headaches and eye strain to go along with it rather than teaching her an alternative technique that would stick with her for life???  After all, she was a very bright woman with loads and loads of potential!!!  God Bless her!  Wwe were best friends through high school and I guess that's why I feel her pain so terribly!  Oh Honey:
I can think of story after story; name after name; and they all speak the same language!  Please don't do that to your baby!!!

Bernie

On 6/29/12, Nicole Cannon <nicole at cannonig.com> wrote:
> My son is almost 5 with visual acuity about 20/200.  He can see large 
> print, but I've noticed he seems to be a tactile learner.  I've been 
> reading about learning to be a dual reader to give him the most tools, 
> but I'm somewhat concerned about overloading him with too many things 
> to learn at once.  Does anyone have any input on the best way to go 
> about teaching him Braille and print?  I'm going to talk to his IU 
> teacher also, but so far, the IU has been focusing on using the vision he has.
>
> Thanks,
> Nicole
>
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From ballstobooks at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 18:04:58 2012
From: ballstobooks at gmail.com (Brandy W)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:04:58 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] apps
In-Reply-To: <1342633861.90911.YahooMailClassic@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<1342633861.90911.YahooMailClassic@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd650f$d905c040$8b1140c0$@com>


Farkle, 7 little words blind memory, Destino games.


?To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
a spark.? 
- Victor Hugo 

Brandy Wojcik  Discovery Toys Educational Consultant and Team leader
(512) 689-5045
www.playtoachieve.com
Follow me on Face Book at
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Read my new blog at www.playtoachieveballstobooks.wordpress.com

Looking forward to helping you with your educational toy needs!

-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Rosina Solano
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:51 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindkid] apps

Okay, I am sure that this has been visited, but we just got an ipod touch.?
What are some good games for our teen aged kids?? I have an 11 and 14 year
old.
?
Thanks


********************************************
Rosina Foster
www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children



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From colemangirly at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 21:14:07 2012
From: colemangirly at yahoo.com (Rosina Solano)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] apps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.64.1342717256.14032.blindkid_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <1342732447.31843.YahooMailClassic@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Denise!!? I didn't realize your site had app stuff too.? By the way, got Roman his laptop and JAWS to start on some of those lessons of yours.? Thanks for all the info and help on which way to go, apple, or pc.? He will be putting them to good use with friends and school work if I can get the school to be on the same page!? 
?
Thanks again;
Rosina

********************************************
Rosina Foster
www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children



Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:00:25 -0700
From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,??? (for parents of blind children)"
??? <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindkid] apps
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

here are a couple links
http://www.yourtechvision.com/content/accessible-games-and-cool-apps-blind-children
http://www.yourtechvision.com/content/best-ipad-apps-kids

A lot more on the site...just do a search on APPS in the search box

Denise

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Rosina Solano <colemangirly at yahoo.com>wrote:



From sariahmattinson at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 03:52:53 2012
From: sariahmattinson at gmail.com (Sariah Mattinson)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:52:53 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
Message-ID: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.

Sariah


From rholloway at gopbc.org  Fri Jul 20 04:54:21 2012
From: rholloway at gopbc.org (Richard Holloway)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:54:21 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
In-Reply-To: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B36553F6-720D-496F-ADB0-4083AC461A39@gopbc.org>

There are quite a few ways to adapt, and you can also buy some things ready to use. Toys-R-Us has tic-tac-toe that appears to be blind-friendly just because of the design (I don't think it was designed for the blind intentionally, but so what, right?). Two possible choices, actually:

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2970358
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4070733

You might go to: https://www.maxiaids.com/store/default.asp and search for games. They have quite a few. I would be a little cautions about their chess sets, I was disappointed, returned it and adapted my own, but that was a lot of work too. (Nice braille chess sets are hard to find.) Maxiaids also offers a wide variety of balls for play with bells inside and/or beepers.

Any parts of games that are in print can generally have dymo tape (or other adhesive braille) added for braille text. Simple graphics can be traced with elmer's glue or hot glue to demonstrate the shape. Chutes and ladders come to mind for such an approaach. Same thing with the board portion of any board game. Spinners are already tactile. Raise the dividing lines between colors or numbers, etc. and then add braille or depending on readiness for braille use, if the game uses colors, adapt with textures on the spinners and spaces. Sandpaper for one, corrugated cardboard for the next, corduroy fabric, satin, glued-on rice-- you name it.

Some entire games or game pieces can be bought pre-adapted. Braille dice can be bought pre-made for $3 or $4 a set. There are adapted timers available. I mentioned chess already Braille chess is much like a travel set with pegs to hold pieces on the squares, but the black squares are raised or given a texture. Likewise, white pieces are left alone, black ones have a raised peg or screw on top, or I choose to give our set a texture for black and leave white smooth. My daughter found larger pieces easier to distinguish.

Most of the pre-adapted board games I have seen are more like Monopoly and Scrabble, generally for older kids, I guess. I think chess generally starts for kids more in the 5 or 6 range? Depends on the child, I suppose. Checkers, backgammon... There are some items at the link below such as I have mentioned, plus a tic-tac-toe set which is tactile, though it looks similar to what toys-r-us has.

http://www.visabilitystore.org/browse.cfm/board-games/2,66,13.html

These folks also have adapted games, including some card games like "go fish".

http://www.independentliving.com/products.asp?dept=139

You can adapt card games yourself possibly with a perkins, and definitely with a slate and stylus. I suspect that would work a lot better than dymo tape for those.

Often, you'll find when you buy commercial games, they are adapted versions of standard games, not custom built ones from the ground-up, but I think we all mostly feel like we go with whatever works...

Oh, and I see a few items on ebay as well-- always worth a glance. 

If you really want to adapt yourself, probably look at some of the sites above, then use what they have for a guide to adapt things as you like.

I'm sure many others here have more good ideas too--

Good luck!



On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Sariah Mattinson wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
> their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
> to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
> them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
> this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
> doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
> would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.
> 
> Sariah
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From dkent5817 at att.net  Fri Jul 20 06:04:49 2012
From: dkent5817 at att.net (Deborah Kent Stein)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:04:49 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
In-Reply-To: <B36553F6-720D-496F-ADB0-4083AC461A39@gopbc.org>
References: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B36553F6-720D-496F-ADB0-4083AC461A39@gopbc.org>
Message-ID: <FF4F8EA991CE4D53B5EAF90CD31EE1B5@debkentHP>



Dominoes generally work well off the shelf, as most standard sets have 
indented dots on the pieces that indicate the numbers.  If they slide around 
on the table too much, play on a rubberized non-slip surface.  Another great 
game that needs no adapting is Cootie (it may be called something else now - 
there are many variations such as Mister Potato-Head).  In the game I 
remember, players take turns throwing the dice and adding parts to a plastic 
insect depending upon which number comes up.  You need a 1 to start with the 
body, a 2 to put the head on, a 3 for an antenna, and so on.


Debbie



-----Original Message----- 
From: Richard Holloway
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:54 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids

There are quite a few ways to adapt, and you can also buy some things ready 
to use. Toys-R-Us has tic-tac-toe that appears to be blind-friendly just 
because of the design (I don't think it was designed for the blind 
intentionally, but so what, right?). Two possible choices, actually:

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2970358
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4070733

You might go to: https://www.maxiaids.com/store/default.asp and search for 
games. They have quite a few. I would be a little cautions about their chess 
sets, I was disappointed, returned it and adapted my own, but that was a lot 
of work too. (Nice braille chess sets are hard to find.) Maxiaids also 
offers a wide variety of balls for play with bells inside and/or beepers.

Any parts of games that are in print can generally have dymo tape (or other 
adhesive braille) added for braille text. Simple graphics can be traced with 
elmer's glue or hot glue to demonstrate the shape. Chutes and ladders come 
to mind for such an approaach. Same thing with the board portion of any 
board game. Spinners are already tactile. Raise the dividing lines between 
colors or numbers, etc. and then add braille or depending on readiness for 
braille use, if the game uses colors, adapt with textures on the spinners 
and spaces. Sandpaper for one, corrugated cardboard for the next, corduroy 
fabric, satin, glued-on rice-- you name it.

Some entire games or game pieces can be bought pre-adapted. Braille dice can 
be bought pre-made for $3 or $4 a set. There are adapted timers available. I 
mentioned chess already Braille chess is much like a travel set with pegs to 
hold pieces on the squares, but the black squares are raised or given a 
texture. Likewise, white pieces are left alone, black ones have a raised peg 
or screw on top, or I choose to give our set a texture for black and leave 
white smooth. My daughter found larger pieces easier to distinguish.

Most of the pre-adapted board games I have seen are more like Monopoly and 
Scrabble, generally for older kids, I guess. I think chess generally starts 
for kids more in the 5 or 6 range? Depends on the child, I suppose. 
Checkers, backgammon... There are some items at the link below such as I 
have mentioned, plus a tic-tac-toe set which is tactile, though it looks 
similar to what toys-r-us has.

http://www.visabilitystore.org/browse.cfm/board-games/2,66,13.html

These folks also have adapted games, including some card games like "go 
fish".

http://www.independentliving.com/products.asp?dept=139

You can adapt card games yourself possibly with a perkins, and definitely 
with a slate and stylus. I suspect that would work a lot better than dymo 
tape for those.

Often, you'll find when you buy commercial games, they are adapted versions 
of standard games, not custom built ones from the ground-up, but I think we 
all mostly feel like we go with whatever works...

Oh, and I see a few items on ebay as well-- always worth a glance.

If you really want to adapt yourself, probably look at some of the sites 
above, then use what they have for a guide to adapt things as you like.

I'm sure many others here have more good ideas too--

Good luck!



On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Sariah Mattinson wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
> their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
> to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to 
> adapt
> them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
> this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
> doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
> would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.
>
> Sariah
> _______________________________________________
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From bernienfb75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 11:36:07 2012
From: bernienfb75 at gmail.com (Bernadette Jacobs)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:36:07 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
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On 7/19/12, Sariah Mattinson <sariahmattinson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
> their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
> to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
> them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
> this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
> doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
> would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.
>
> Sariah
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>
Good Moerninfg:

Many of the cards that go along with many of the games can be brailled
using the perkins.  You can also use dymotape to mark what's on the
board.  One can also use the dots, (some call them bumps) from the NFB
Headquarters Office Independence Market to mark things which have too
little space for actual Braille wording or abreviations.  I've seen
"Candyland" done that way.  I've done Trivial persuit that way.  You
can mark the squares on the board with those little bumps to identify
them so that the blind players know how and where to move their little
character things.  My husband and I have a Bible trivia game we bought
when we were first married we've done that way.  for the cards that
have trivia questions, one can use five-by-eight cardstock to write
out the question so the blind player can participate that way as well.

I've brailled thousands of decks of cards in my day.  Used to do a lot
of that in high school and college.  I don't know where or where you
live.  But, if you wish, I can also answer questions VIA phone for you
in more detail: 410-215-8587.

Take care gang!!

Bernie



From barnesraiser at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 14:19:31 2012
From: barnesraiser at gmail.com (Carly B)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:19:31 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
In-Reply-To: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJqR5XUTzA-W0Jkom2yHA4yRNmD7cmpiTzuR6yirQL4ZUNE3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sariah,

Our son is low vision and so we haven't had to adapt very many board games,
but I've seen the game of "Memory" adapted where the picture side has a
Braille character on it. (I make sticky Braille by putting a sheet of clear
contact paper into a Perkins Brailler and then cutting it out and sticking
it onto a surface. Do you have a Perkins or a Braille labeler? We got our
Perkins thru the school. Had to fight for it but got it.) We also once had
a tic-tac-toe game that was sent to us by some service that provides them
free to blind kids... it had 9 pegs and cut out x's and o's.

I'm trying to think what games a 3-4 year old would play... card games? I
made alphabet flashcards for my son when he was 5 by rolling them into the
brailler and brailling the letter on each one. I wonder if you could do
that with "fish" or other card games.

Sorry I don't have a ton of ideas but maybe something will be helpful.

God bless!

:) Carolynn Barnes a.k.a. Brian's mom

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Sariah Mattinson <
sariahmattinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
> their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
> to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
> them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
> this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
> doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
> would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.
>
> Sariah
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From rjharrell at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 14:23:36 2012
From: rjharrell at gmail.com (Rene Harrell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:23:36 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Septo-optic dysplasia?
Message-ID: <CAMbZ4-rdEN34FRXypCcOPrZprTaw3HrzXGcTOE-AgXO-8+gG3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Some of you on this list might know me fairly well as the mom to Clare, my
10 year old daughter with developmental disabilities who is blind due to
retinopathy of prematurity.

Life has taken a bit of a detour with our most current child, Seraphina,
who was born 25 days ago and is still in the hospital, currently in the
cardiac intensive care unit. Seraphina was born with heterotaxy and other
involved midline defects, including cleft lip and cleft palate. Currently
she has been having a lot of endocrine issues (specifically diabetes
insipidus was diagnosed finally yesterday), which led to an MRI showing she
has an absence of the septum pelludicium. At this point she now has two of
the three markers for Septo-optic dysplasia and ophthalmology is coming for
consult today. She definitely has light perception and I believe she has
already been making eye contact and tracking, so at this point she appears
to have fully normal vision for a 3 week old infant.


I know this is slightly O.T. but right now some of our biggest issues are
balancing the endocrine issues with her cardiac issues (for those that are
interested, she is a single ventricle currently, with hope for an eventual
biventricular repair). I know that SOD frequently comes with endocrine
issues, and I wanted to see if other parents on this list with SOD children
could recommend a good endocrinologist in the New England area, or provide
feedback on what we need to look for in an endocrinologist. This is a
completely unexpected diagnosis and so we are running behind the eight ball
trying to play catch up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rene--- mom to six amazing wonderkids, including Miss Clare age 10, ROP,
DD, Autism
-- 
" I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I needed to be."
-- Douglas Adams


From deniserob at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 14:38:52 2012
From: deniserob at gmail.com (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:38:52 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] apps
In-Reply-To: <1342732447.31843.YahooMailClassic@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.64.1342717256.14032.blindkid_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<1342732447.31843.YahooMailClassic@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxsd_450vzX9mD572s12nqunSfOcb_v=RGAgW=tkqDxi10ueg@mail.gmail.com>

Fantastic Rosina...yes, my site has just about anything blind....if it is
not there yet, it will be soon :)
Denise

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Rosina Solano <colemangirly at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thanks Denise!!  I didn't realize your site had app stuff too.  By the
> way, got Roman his laptop and JAWS to start on some of those lessons of
> yours.  Thanks for all the info and help on which way to go, apple, or pc.
> He will be putting them to good use with friends and school work if I can
> get the school to be on the same page!
>
> Thanks again;
> Rosina
>
> ********************************************
> Rosina Foster
> www.tadpoleacres.webs.com
> MOPBC Missouri Parents of Blind Children
>
>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:00:25 -0700
> From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)"
>     <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] apps
> Message-ID:
>     <CAAxsd_5w4tH8o6GopWGsqxZLacwBqdY8Q18Q0ub1vzZ-=R+gSw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> here are a couple links
>
> http://www.yourtechvision.com/content/accessible-games-and-cool-apps-blind-children
> http://www.yourtechvision.com/content/best-ipad-apps-kids
>
> A lot more on the site...just do a search on APPS in the search box
>
> Denise
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Rosina Solano <colemangirly at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
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Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
CEO, TechVision, LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
doing it." --Chinese Proverb

Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination.
--Albert Einstein

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
--Walt Disney


From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Fri Jul 20 16:51:51 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:51:51 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Septo-optic dysplasia?
In-Reply-To: <CAMbZ4-rdEN34FRXypCcOPrZprTaw3HrzXGcTOE-AgXO-8+gG3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000008199402@mailback4.g2host.com>

Rene,

I cannot be of much help with the specifics in your area, but one of our children has Septo-optic 
dysplasia and diabetes insipidus.  One reason I can't be of much help is that this condition varies 
greatly in terms of its affects on vision and other aspects of life.  You will very much need to be 
certain that you get in contact with specialists in whom you have some faith to analyze your child's 
condition.  The little advice I can give, though, is to not let the professionals get too hung up on the 
potential vision loss.  While this is important to any parent, the other aspects really need to be 
explored and addressed.  If you find that there is a dominant concern with vision issues, you might look 
for another specialist.  Also, be careful of what you find on the internet on this condition.  Often 
what you will read is a worst case scenario, and there are simply a lot of variables that cannot always 
be predicted.  Please know I am not trying to minimize the seriousness of this condition, but it will 
take time to truly sort out the effects and the remedies that need to be applied.  Also, clearly you 
have a number of other conditions that need to be addressed as well, and this obviously means you have a 
balancing act there.  There may be more help we can provide as this unfolds, though, and please know 
that we will all be thinking of you as you work through this.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:23:36 -0400, Rene Harrell wrote:

>Hey all,

>Some of you on this list might know me fairly well as the mom to Clare, my
>10 year old daughter with developmental disabilities who is blind due to
>retinopathy of prematurity.

>Life has taken a bit of a detour with our most current child, Seraphina,
>who was born 25 days ago and is still in the hospital, currently in the
>cardiac intensive care unit. Seraphina was born with heterotaxy and other
>involved midline defects, including cleft lip and cleft palate. Currently
>she has been having a lot of endocrine issues (specifically diabetes
>insipidus was diagnosed finally yesterday), which led to an MRI showing she
>has an absence of the septum pelludicium. At this point she now has two of
>the three markers for Septo-optic dysplasia and ophthalmology is coming for
>consult today. She definitely has light perception and I believe she has
>already been making eye contact and tracking, so at this point she appears
>to have fully normal vision for a 3 week old infant.


>I know this is slightly O.T. but right now some of our biggest issues are
>balancing the endocrine issues with her cardiac issues (for those that are
>interested, she is a single ventricle currently, with hope for an eventual
>biventricular repair). I know that SOD frequently comes with endocrine
>issues, and I wanted to see if other parents on this list with SOD children
>could recommend a good endocrinologist in the New England area, or provide
>feedback on what we need to look for in an endocrinologist. This is a
>completely unexpected diagnosis and so we are running behind the eight ball
>trying to play catch up.

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>Rene--- mom to six amazing wonderkids, including Miss Clare age 10, ROP,
>DD, Autism
>-- 
>" I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
>where I needed to be."
>-- Douglas Adams
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From shayla_lovett at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 17:46:07 2012
From: shayla_lovett at yahoo.com (Shayla Lovett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Septo-optic dysplasia?
Message-ID: <1342806367.82863.YahooMailClassic@web160402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hello rene,

You should post this to the SOD parent group.? i know there are a bunch of parents in the area that could recommend a dr. to you.

here si teh address:? sod-l at googlegroups.com


And I second what Steve said,? my 11y daughter has SOD and is panhypopit and the latter is way more life altering than the former.

Good luck

--- On Fri, 7/20/12, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:

From: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Septo-optic dysplasia?
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 12:51 PM

Rene,

I cannot be
 of much help with the specifics in your area, but one of our children has Septo-optic 
dysplasia and diabetes insipidus.? One reason I can't be of much help is that this condition varies 
greatly in terms of its affects on vision and other aspects of life.? You will very much need to be 
certain that you get in contact with specialists in whom you have some faith to analyze your child's 
condition.? The little advice I can give, though, is to not let the professionals get too hung up on the 
potential vision loss.? While this is important to any parent, the other aspects really need to be 
explored and addressed.? If you find that there is a dominant concern with vision issues, you might look 
for another specialist.? Also, be careful of what you find on the internet on this condition.? Often 
what you will read is a worst case scenario, and there are simply a lot of variables that cannot always
 
be predicted.? Please know I am not trying to minimize the seriousness of this condition, but it will 
take time to truly sort out the effects and the remedies that need to be applied.? Also, clearly you 
have a number of other conditions that need to be addressed as well, and this obviously means you have a 
balancing act there.? There may be more help we can provide as this unfolds, though, and please know 
that we will all be thinking of you as you work through this.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:23:36 -0400, Rene Harrell wrote:

>Hey all,

>Some of you on this list might know me fairly well as the mom to Clare, my
>10 year old daughter with developmental disabilities who is blind due to
>retinopathy of prematurity.

>Life has taken a bit of a detour with our most current child, Seraphina,
>who was born 25 days ago and is still in
 the hospital, currently in the
>cardiac intensive care unit. Seraphina was born with heterotaxy and other
>involved midline defects, including cleft lip and cleft palate. Currently
>she has been having a lot of endocrine issues (specifically diabetes
>insipidus was diagnosed finally yesterday), which led to an MRI showing she
>has an absence of the septum pelludicium. At this point she now has two of
>the three markers for Septo-optic dysplasia and ophthalmology is coming for
>consult today. She definitely has light perception and I believe she has
>already been making eye contact and tracking, so at this point she appears
>to have fully normal vision for a 3 week old infant.


>I know this is slightly O.T. but right now some of our biggest issues are
>balancing the endocrine issues with her cardiac issues (for those that are
>interested, she is a single ventricle currently,
 with hope for an eventual
>biventricular repair). I know that SOD frequently comes with endocrine
>issues, and I wanted to see if other parents on this list with SOD children
>could recommend a good endocrinologist in the New England area, or provide
>feedback on what we need to look for in an endocrinologist. This is a
>completely unexpected diagnosis and so we are running behind the eight ball
>trying to play catch up.

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>Rene--- mom to six amazing wonderkids, including Miss Clare age 10, ROP,
>DD, Autism
>-- 
>" I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
>where I needed to be."
>-- Douglas Adams
>_______________________________________________
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From hikingshoes at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 17:49:59 2012
From: hikingshoes at gmail.com (Leah Pratt Roberts)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:49:59 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] septo-optic dysplasia
Message-ID: <CALOi9NkDzqBbPsKXAUho0F_7P3aYea43sB+AjWOtMmt7vaV3pg@mail.gmail.com>

Rene,

My son has septo-optic dysplasia, though it appears to be secondary to a
less-known genetic syndrome.

As far as what to look for in a pedi endocrinologist, I would suggest that
the only endocrinologist you should accept is one that says yes, she needs
to have regular monitoring for life of all pituitary-related hormones,
simply because of the existing midline defects (whether or not they
diagnose her with SOD).

Anyone who wants to test once only, or only test until age 3, etc. is
older-school in relation to the possible hormone issues. They can appear
later, can appear suddenly, and can be life-threatening. Now that I've said
that, my son just happens to have never needed any hormone replacement, but
we will do regular testing at intervals that the endo and parents feel
comfortable with.

focusfamilies.org has a lot of outdated info on their website, but they
also have a pretty good listserv and a decent booklet on hormone issues
with SOD. Dr. Mark Borchert at CHLA is the leading ONH/SOD researcher and
has published a number of papers on hormone status and need for monitoring.
His interest is ONH, so if it turns out she has SOD due to another issue
but not ONH, you might find a closer match elsewhere, but it is good to
keep up to date with the papers his lab puts out. His staff will give you
free PDFs of the papers on request.

I hope your family, your new baby, and your medical staff will have all the
support and resources needed. Congratulations on the birth of your daughter!

Leah Roberts
mom to John, 7


From SCDUFFLEY at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 18:00:32 2012
From: SCDUFFLEY at aol.com (SCDUFFLEY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
Message-ID: <b6be.5626825.3d3af6c0@aol.com>

_http://www.amazon.com/The-Letter-Factory-Game/dp/B0000AE5YL_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/The-Letter-Factory-Game/dp/B0000AE5YL)     The Letter Factory 
Game,  just awesome if you can find it used.  We  brailled the pieces and had a 
blast.  You can always modify the rules  too.  Check Yard Sales, you'd be 
surprised what you might find that is  easily adaptable.
 
Christine
 
 
 
 


 
In a message dated 7/19/2012 11:56:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sariahmattinson at gmail.com writes:

I was  wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
their  blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
to get  some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
them  somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
this  and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
doing so?  My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
would rely  on any type of vision would probably be out of the  question.

Sariah
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From hikingshoes at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 01:44:10 2012
From: hikingshoes at gmail.com (Leah Pratt Roberts)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:44:10 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid messages are open to public on Google
Message-ID: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>

I am in the process of changing my name and searched it on Google. I was
surprised to find that all the messages I have written on blindkid are
available to the public. Does the list administrator know this? It would be
nice if we could change this - some people write on the list about ongoing
legal cases and such.

Leah Roberts


From pennyduffy at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 02:29:29 2012
From: pennyduffy at gmail.com (Penny Duffy)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:29:29 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid messages are open to public on Google
In-Reply-To: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABb_=Qf8ZGm9qgGgTupUQJfpYpLvdAoOcHieehJ6k548Hn7M4g@mail.gmail.com>

Leah,

Only a few NFB list servs are set to private. The benefit being of
the archives being available to search is that you can find old posts.
Sometimes when I search for a certain topic there isn't anything available
online with the exception of a past post in this group.
I am sure that is the thought behind it being open.

I don't have any option on this one way or another.

-Penny
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Leah Pratt Roberts
<hikingshoes at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am in the process of changing my name and searched it on Google. I was
> surprised to find that all the messages I have written on blindkid are
> available to the public. Does the list administrator know this? It would be
> nice if we could change this - some people write on the list about ongoing
> legal cases and such.
>
> Leah Roberts
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 02:38:14 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:38:14 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid messages are open to public on Google
In-Reply-To: <CABb_=Qf8ZGm9qgGgTupUQJfpYpLvdAoOcHieehJ6k548Hn7M4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABb_=Qf8ZGm9qgGgTupUQJfpYpLvdAoOcHieehJ6k548Hn7M4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAQbK0pO9TbnF3PP4xpFJQAdgOX4WKqVujoJbDiuV5jUg@mail.gmail.com>

If an individual wants their post to be deleted from the archives,
that individual can email Dave Andrews at
dandrews at visi.com
I did this once on behalf of a list member who did not want her
telephone number to be in the archives. I imagine this is a lot of
work for Dave to do, so it should be done only under extenuating
circumstances, but I believe Dave has it set up to archive
intentionally so that others can search for resources shared in these
list posts.
Arielle

On 7/21/12, Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Leah,
>
> Only a few NFB list servs are set to private. The benefit being of
> the archives being available to search is that you can find old posts.
> Sometimes when I search for a certain topic there isn't anything available
> online with the exception of a past post in this group.
> I am sure that is the thought behind it being open.
>
> I don't have any option on this one way or another.
>
> -Penny
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Leah Pratt Roberts
> <hikingshoes at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of changing my name and searched it on Google. I was
>> surprised to find that all the messages I have written on blindkid are
>> available to the public. Does the list administrator know this? It would
>> be
>> nice if we could change this - some people write on the list about
>> ongoing
>> legal cases and such.
>>
>> Leah Roberts
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindkid mailing list
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindkid:
>>
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> --Penny
> ----------
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>
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From rholloway at gopbc.org  Sun Jul 22 03:18:57 2012
From: rholloway at gopbc.org (Richard Holloway)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:18:57 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid messages are open to public on Google
In-Reply-To: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002EA833-9A81-4C89-AC5A-C922B32667DB@gopbc.org>

Even if someone deletes the postings, once posts are out in cyberspace, so to speak, they are there. Deleting the post makes it somewhat harder to track down the original info., but I would keep any sensitive discussions "off list", as it is usually described. (Emailing directly with others outside the list completely.)

I know for example with web sites, there are automatic services like waybackmachine.org which is said to have backed up 150 Billion web pages and can be accessed at will (for free as I recall). Old pages once posted and now deleted or revised pages' earlier versions can be located going back as far as 1995.

Posting anything in any public forum on-line really is in many ways like publishing an article or a book. You can never fully remove things posted. Even if you get it off the server and could remove ALL web based copies somehow, a well meaning list member might reply to an old post where your words end up quoted, and a search engine will locate that as well.

I have no objection to some private forum being available as well, but I know when I post here, I intend for others to be able to find what I say in hopes that it may be useful for situations similar to my own. I know I have surely found much useful information by searching for information in forums like ours for other problems I needed to resolve myself.

Richard

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Leah Pratt Roberts <hikingshoes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am in the process of changing my name and searched it on Google. I was
> surprised to find that all the messages I have written on blindkid are
> available to the public. Does the list administrator know this? It would be
> nice if we could change this - some people write on the list about ongoing
> legal cases and such.
> 
> Leah Roberts
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From kim at gulfimagesphoto.com  Sun Jul 22 15:01:05 2012
From: kim at gulfimagesphoto.com (Kim Cunningham)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
Message-ID: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun?activity we had. The NOPBC sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel confident in taking part of. The?students all wore their favorite outfits and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/

Regards,
Kim Cunningham

From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sun Jul 22 16:30:54 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:30:54 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01cd6827$5e75bcc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good morning everyone,

    They would be more meaningful to totally blind site visitors if someone 
thought to put alt text on them. None of them are labeled. The failure to do 
this prompted this message. Had this been done you wouldn't be hearing from 
me. Thank you.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kim Cunningham" <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>
To: "Blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>; "TPOBC List Serv" 
<tpobc at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:01 AM
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures


For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in 
Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun activity we had. The NOPBC 
sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students 
to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel 
confident in taking part of. The students all wore their favorite outfits 
and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I 
believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/

Regards,
Kim Cunningham
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From dblair2525 at msn.com  Sun Jul 22 17:00:42 2012
From: dblair2525 at msn.com (Pat Renfranz)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:00:42 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
In-Reply-To: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP243E8B77FD1DD772357FB6CD5DE0@phx.gbl>

Hi Sariah-
I can't believe your beautiful baby is going to be 4 soon!

I think you've heard all this, but here are a few games Caroline liked at
that age:
Hi Ho! Cherry-O: modified the spinner with glitter glue/puff paint, used
dymo-tape Braille for labels
Lucky Ducks: I put dymo-tape braille letters to use for matching. Could use
any tactile materal. I can still hear the quacking a decade later...
Go Fish and Old Maid: I purchased Brailled cards
Chutes and Ladders: made ladders out of sticks and glued down. Chutes I cut
from a sticky-back slick paper. Path demarcated too but can't remember how.
Bumparena: Brailled cards. Again, could mark instead/in addition with
tactile pictures

Enjoy!!
Pat






On 7/19/12 9:52 PM, "Sariah Mattinson" <sariahmattinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
> their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
> to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
> them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
> this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
> doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
> would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.
> 
> Sariah
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From hikingshoes at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 17:20:43 2012
From: hikingshoes at gmail.com (Leah Pratt Roberts)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:20:43 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Messages open to public
Message-ID: <39065940-6FBA-48B9-81FF-8A08125209B1@gmail.com>

Thanks for the replies. Some lists have search open only to list members, so I was surprised to see this one open to public. However, if it's deliberate, I don't mind keeping its public nature in mind when posting. Thanks all!
Leah





From lhall007 at cinci.rr.com  Sun Jul 22 18:54:29 2012
From: lhall007 at cinci.rr.com (Lisa Hall)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:54:29 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a301cd683b$6c9844d0$45c8ce70$@rr.com>

Hi Kim,

I looked at the web site that all these pictures appeared in. There are no
descriptions of each picture shown. These pictures needs alt-tags in them
with description of the pictures. 

Sincerely,

Lisa Hall, Cincinnati, Ohio
Personal web site: www.lisa-halls-world.org


-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Kim Cunningham
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:01 AM
To: Blindkid; TPOBC List Serv
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures

For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in
Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun?activity we had. The NOPBC
sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students
to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel
confident in taking part of. The?students all wore their favorite outfits
and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I
believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/

Regards,
Kim Cunningham
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From kim at gulfimagesphoto.com  Sun Jul 22 19:23:46 2012
From: kim at gulfimagesphoto.com (Kim Cunningham)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:23:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <002d01cd6827$5e75bcc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<002d01cd6827$5e75bcc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <1342985026.56113.YahooMailNeo@web2820.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yes....I knew the pictures were not tagged before I sent them out. My husband has not had the time to go into every picture and tag them for accessibility. In my hurry to want to show off the kids, I posted them anyway. I am sorry for your inconvenience.
Kim Cunningham

________________________________
From: Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: Kim Cunningham <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>; "Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org> 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures

Good morning everyone,

? ? They would be more meaningful to totally blind site visitors if someone 
thought to put alt text on them. None of them are labeled. The failure to do 
this prompted this message. Had this been done you wouldn't be hearing from 
me. Thank you.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kim Cunningham" <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>
To: "Blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>; "TPOBC List Serv" 
<tpobc at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:01 AM
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures


For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in 
Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun activity we had. The NOPBC 
sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students 
to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel 
confident in taking part of. The students all wore their favorite outfits 
and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I 
believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/

Regards,
Kim Cunningham
_______________________________________________
blindkid mailing list
blindkid at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
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From pennyduffy at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 19:35:24 2012
From: pennyduffy at gmail.com (Penny Duffy)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:35:24 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABb_=Qf6EpAf+4LTQU8R5M90p0CFJw7fiJsRJGNgZEw1Edfqjw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you so much Kim for sharing..

The kids are adorable and I love how confident my daughter was with it. It
was an amazing experience for her.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Kim Cunningham <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>wrote:

> For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in
> Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun activity we had. The NOPBC
> sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college
> students to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to
> feel confident in taking part of. The students all wore their favorite
> outfits and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show
> which I believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
> Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/
>
> Regards,
> Kim Cunningham
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
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----------
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NH Parents of Blind Children http://www.nhpobc.org/
NHPOBC on facebook   https://www.facebook.com/nhpobc


From liz86_2004 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 19:48:50 2012
From: liz86_2004 at yahoo.com (Liz Johnson)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:48:50 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] [TPOBC] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3134A406-855E-4463-AA36-35C2063EF033@yahoo.com>

Kim, thank you so much for sharing!! I appreciate it. Everyone looks like they had a fantastic time, great job to everyone who put it together! 

Take care!! Liz

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Kim Cunningham <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com> wrote:

> For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun activity we had. The NOPBC sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel confident in taking part of. The students all wore their favorite outfits and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
> Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/
> Regards,
> Kim Cunningham

From lyndaz918 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 19:51:20 2012
From: lyndaz918 at gmail.com (Lynda Zwinger)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:51:20 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] [TPOBC] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <3134A406-855E-4463-AA36-35C2063EF033@yahoo.com>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<3134A406-855E-4463-AA36-35C2063EF033@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABPRZbxUZB1eESWKijAs2E40O56PrK8hOWtnhOY_oZ_RPQxfSA@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice, Kim!
Thanks so much!!

Lynda

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Liz Johnson <liz86_2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Kim, thank you so much for sharing!! I appreciate it. Everyone looks like
> they had a fantastic time, great job to everyone who put it together!
>
> Take care!! Liz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Kim Cunningham <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>
> wrote:
>
> > For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention
> in Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun activity we had. The
> NOPBC sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college
> students to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to
> feel confident in taking part of. The students all wore their favorite
> outfits and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show
> which I believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
> > Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/
> > Regards,
> > Kim Cunningham
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jul 22 20:55:00 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:55:00 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid messages are open to public on Google
In-Reply-To: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CALOi9NkZ9W8PsOz5EB2UgXrfLsTz3KOGJRdtsopAKKUVbEACZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000069253950@mailfront4.g2host.com>

Yes, it has always been this way.  I am sorry if you weren't aware of 
it, but all of our open lists are publicly archived.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 08:44 PM 7/21/2012, you wrote:
>I am in the process of changing my name and searched it on Google. I was
>surprised to find that all the messages I have written on blindkid are
>available to the public. Does the list administrator know this? It would be
>nice if we could change this - some people write on the list about ongoing
>legal cases and such.
>
>Leah Roberts




From trising at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 22 21:35:24 2012
From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:35:24 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Septo-optic dysplasia?
In-Reply-To: <CAMbZ4-rdEN34FRXypCcOPrZprTaw3HrzXGcTOE-AgXO-8+gG3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMbZ4-rdEN34FRXypCcOPrZprTaw3HrzXGcTOE-AgXO-8+gG3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F3B297F86B441368499D20C9A980738@userPC>

Hello:

    My name is Terri Wilcox. I am 41, and have septo optic dysplasia. I am totally blind and take hormone replacements. The 
endocrine difficulties with this disorder are far more challenging to manage than total blindness from birth. This has not stopped 
me from reading Braille at age four, and obtaining a Master's Degree. I live in a town house with my husband who is also totally 
blind, but not from Sod. I only say this to let you know that your daughter can have an ordinary independent life, once her medical 
conditions are diagnosed and managed. I am sorry I cannot recommend an endocrinologist in New England, as I am not from that area. 
Feel free to ask any question. The only stupid question is the one that is never asked. There is an online support group specific to 
Sod, but NFB philosophy is the most positive concerning blindness of any I have ever encountered. I hope some of this has helped. 
Sorry it is long.

Sincerely,
Terri Wilcox
Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
Ann Arbor Chapter President 




From trising at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 22 22:15:41 2012
From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:15:41 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
In-Reply-To: <B36553F6-720D-496F-ADB0-4083AC461A39@gopbc.org>
References: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B36553F6-720D-496F-ADB0-4083AC461A39@gopbc.org>
Message-ID: <033C496D75BA4DF7A58BA2351A5AEDD3@userPC>

I have Brailed many decks of cards using a Perkins. I also Brailed apples to Apples using a Perkins Brailler. I did not Braille 
everything that was on the Apples to Apples cards, just the name on each card. My dad used hot glue to adapt a Clue game for me when 
I was younger. My husband and I also have checkers, chess, Dominos, tic tac toe, Scrabble, and Monopoly. Most of these would not 
work for a small child but might work in a couple of years. Often times, you can fit one or two words on a card, the essentials or 
enough information to play the game without being bound to make everything on the card be present in Braille. I hope this helps.

Terri Wilcox 




From braille at satx.rr.com  Mon Jul 23 00:38:35 2012
From: braille at satx.rr.com (Mary Donahue)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:38:35 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <00a301cd683b$6c9844d0$45c8ce70$@rr.com>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<00a301cd683b$6c9844d0$45c8ce70$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <000901cd686b$7e71d0b0$7b557210$@satx.rr.com>

Hello Lisa and parents,

	I did not look on the site, but Pete is right; the pictures need to
be labeled. If extra time is needed in labeling the picture texts, then it's
worth it, especially for the blind parents of blind children. Just my two
cents' worth.

Mary Donahue


-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Lisa Hall
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:54 PM
To: 'Kim Cunningham'; 'Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind
children)'
Subject: Re: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures

Hi Kim,

I looked at the web site that all these pictures appeared in. There are no
descriptions of each picture shown. These pictures needs alt-tags in them
with description of the pictures. 

Sincerely,

Lisa Hall, Cincinnati, Ohio
Personal web site: www.lisa-halls-world.org


-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Kim Cunningham
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:01 AM
To: Blindkid; TPOBC List Serv
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures

For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in
Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun?activity we had. The NOPBC
sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students
to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel
confident in taking part of. The?students all wore their favorite outfits
and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I
believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/

Regards,
Kim Cunningham
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From owinm at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 02:10:21 2012
From: owinm at yahoo.com (Merry-Noel Chamberlain)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids
In-Reply-To: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKDEASHYMtPFN7gzw+MHVBDixF3MBEcLROeWq7JhfZT4FhMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1343009421.7251.YahooMailNeo@web141403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Sariah,
?
Check out:? http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr27/4/fr270416.htm?for many ways to make board games and other games adapted for children who are blind.? Also go to: http://www.pdrib.com/index.php?for games and activities regarding "Braille for Children" and "O&M for Children".? Email me at owinm at yahoo.com if you have any questions regarding particular games.
?
Merry-Noel Chamberlain
Teacher of Students with Visual Impairments
O&M Instructor

From: Sariah Mattinson <sariahmattinson at gmail.com>
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: [blindkid] Board Games for Kids

I was wondering if anyone has had experience adapting a board game for
their blind kid. I have a three-year-old who will be four soon and wanted
to get some board games that she might like but figure I will have to adapt
them somehow to make them more meaningful and fun for her. Has anyone done
this and if so what board games did you adapt and how did you go about
doing so? My daughter has no vision or light perception, so anything that
would rely on any type of vision would probably be out of the question.

Sariah
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From laura.l.bostick at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 04:35:38 2012
From: laura.l.bostick at gmail.com (Laura Bostick)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:35:38 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
In-Reply-To: <000901cd686b$7e71d0b0$7b557210$@satx.rr.com>
References: <1342969265.93649.YahooMailNeo@web2812.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<00a301cd683b$6c9844d0$45c8ce70$@rr.com>
	<000901cd686b$7e71d0b0$7b557210$@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <890E565D-B816-4637-9388-89DCE8EC023B@gmail.com>

Kim,

Thanks for sending the link and for doing such a fantastic job on the fashion show.  It was one of my favorite parts of convention. 

Laura

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, "Mary Donahue" <braille at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello Lisa and parents,
> 
>    I did not look on the site, but Pete is right; the pictures need to
> be labeled. If extra time is needed in labeling the picture texts, then it's
> worth it, especially for the blind parents of blind children. Just my two
> cents' worth.
> 
> Mary Donahue
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Lisa Hall
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:54 PM
> To: 'Kim Cunningham'; 'Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind
> children)'
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
> 
> Hi Kim,
> 
> I looked at the web site that all these pictures appeared in. There are no
> descriptions of each picture shown. These pictures needs alt-tags in them
> with description of the pictures. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Lisa Hall, Cincinnati, Ohio
> Personal web site: www.lisa-halls-world.org
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Kim Cunningham
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:01 AM
> To: Blindkid; TPOBC List Serv
> Subject: [blindkid] NOPBC 2012 Style Show Pictures
> 
> For those of you who weren't able to attend the NFB National Convention in
> Dallas a few weeks ago, I wanted to share a fun activity we had. The NOPBC
> sponsored their first Style Show for all our blind kids and college students
> to participate in. This is yet one more thing for our children to feel
> confident in taking part of. The students all wore their favorite outfits
> and modeled on the runway. The students really enjoyed the show which I
> believe shows in the pictures. Hope you enjoy them!
> Here is the link - http://www.tpobc.org/Style2012/
> 
> Regards,
> Kim Cunningham
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From ortonsmom at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 07:47:38 2012
From: ortonsmom at gmail.com (Joy Orton)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:47:38 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] messages are open to public
Message-ID: <CANYJZ-f8w4YSFs5LQwZBrGziFh-0O+ffof7371=W=YD_qbGcYg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Leah,

Since you didn't realize that blindkid posts are public, maybe other
posters don't realize it either. Would it help if the headers mentioned
that posts are public? My daily digest has email addresses for subscribing
and unsubscribing, plus a request to edit the Subject line when you reply.

List administrators, is it feasible to add a note like this? Or perhaps
include such a note with the subscription reminders?

Joy


From ortonsmom at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 07:57:30 2012
From: ortonsmom at gmail.com (Joy Orton)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:57:30 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] board games
Message-ID: <CANYJZ-cBa4qvEJv=0UVDBNUcsqq1-wWgVXOgA+R1CQzYF_gCbA@mail.gmail.com>

Adapted board games
Some board games are commercially available which are already tactually
adapted. Search online and see what you can find.

When our daughter was four, I bought a bunch of self-stick foamy stickers
in different shapes and colors, and I adapted Candy Land. Each color had a
particular shape. It was a lot of work, but I learned about adapting things
through this project. It was cool that she could play with others.

Joy


From barnesraiser at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 02:46:18 2012
From: barnesraiser at gmail.com (Carly B)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:46:18 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] U.S. stalling treaty that would benefit blind?
Message-ID: <CAMJqR5UaLtTRFgPsBaZC_2jP4PL-cNS6+OmvLfVtvprKQLG=FA@mail.gmail.com>

I just read this article in the Huffington Post and was surprised by the
information, which seems to indicate that the U.S. is blocking or at least
stalling on this treaty to ensure access to Braille and audio to poorer
countries. Has anyone heard about this, and what are your thoughts?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/obama-blind-treaty_n_1695363.html

I'm very curious to know what the NFB's stance is on this one.

Thanks for any info,

:) Carolynn


From dlmcnew at wwestsky.net  Tue Jul 24 18:37:19 2012
From: dlmcnew at wwestsky.net (Donna McNew)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:37:19 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] art that shows animal movement
Message-ID: <99408E44-7699-4BEA-B51C-70653E46053C@wwestsky.net>

This just popped up - not geared for VI kids, but I think it could easily be adapted to show movement in an animal in art form!

http://www.lbrummer68739.net/1st-grade/move-it/

Donna


From EMMOL at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 19:20:40 2012
From: EMMOL at aol.com (EMMOL at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:20:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Free Matter Question
Message-ID: <3b94f.2c179c7f.3d404f88@aol.com>

Hello All, 
I have sent Braille books via Free Matter for the Blind in the US and  
Canada.
Has anyone sent things out of the country? I wanted to send some books to a 
 school in Ethiopia, but was told I could not send Free Matter. Has anyone 
had  experience with this? Is the cost prohibitive to ship Braille books out 
of the  country?
Thanks!
Eileen Molloy

From PWeingartner at ag.org  Tue Jul 24 19:34:34 2012
From: PWeingartner at ag.org (Weingartner, Paul)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:34:34 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Free Matter Question
In-Reply-To: <3b94f.2c179c7f.3d404f88@aol.com>
References: <3b94f.2c179c7f.3d404f88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F8F34A223E94C040A22A28E059EB6BDA065876AD@EVS2.gcag.net>

We send them "Free Matter for the Blind" and have not had a problem.
They have to have an attached a customs coupon.  We state the value as
$0 since they have no real resale value and keep the boxes small.
Paul

"making the cross accessible"
Rev Paul Weingartner
National Representative for the Blind
Director of
Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
P 417.831.1964   F 417.863.7276
www.blind.ag.org


-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of EMMOL at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:21 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindkid] Free Matter Question

Hello All,
I have sent Braille books via Free Matter for the Blind in the US and
Canada.
Has anyone sent things out of the country? I wanted to send some books
to a  school in Ethiopia, but was told I could not send Free Matter. Has
anyone had  experience with this? Is the cost prohibitive to ship
Braille books out of the  country?
Thanks!
Eileen Molloy
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From RJaquiss at nfb.org  Tue Jul 24 20:50:21 2012
From: RJaquiss at nfb.org (Jaquiss, Robert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:50:21 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Free Matter Question
In-Reply-To: <3b94f.2c179c7f.3d404f88@aol.com>
References: <3b94f.2c179c7f.3d404f88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA3734B7819841BEEA11727A3381ED010B85@BL2PRD0710MB387.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hello:

     It is my understanding that some countries do not accept Free Matter packages. The packages should not weigh more than fifteen pounds and they require a customs form.

Regards,

Robert


Robert Jaquiss
Access Technology Specialist
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
200 E. Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410) 659-9314, Ext.2422
Email: rjaquiss at nfb.org

-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of EMMOL at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:21 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindkid] Free Matter Question

Hello All,
I have sent Braille books via Free Matter for the Blind in the US and Canada.
Has anyone sent things out of the country? I wanted to send some books to a  school in Ethiopia, but was told I could not send Free Matter. Has anyone had  experience with this? Is the cost prohibitive to ship Braille books out of the  country?
Thanks!
Eileen Molloy
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From carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 22:07:54 2012
From: carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com (Carol Castellano)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:07:54 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] art that shows animal movement
In-Reply-To: <99408E44-7699-4BEA-B51C-70653E46053C@wwestsky.net>
References: <99408E44-7699-4BEA-B51C-70653E46053C@wwestsky.net>
Message-ID: <500f1cbd.847cec0a.0739.3fa8@mx.google.com>

nice!

At 02:37 PM 7/24/2012, you wrote:
>This just popped up - not geared for VI kids, but I think it could 
>easily be adapted to show movement in an animal in art form!
>
>http://www.lbrummer68739.net/1st-grade/move-it/
>
>Donna
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jul 24 23:40:12 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:40:12 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] {Disarmed} NBP: Start your day the Llama Llama way!
Message-ID: <auto-000070248816@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
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>Cover for Llama Llama Wakey-Wake
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>By Anna Dewdney
>Board book, contracted braille, $5.99
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>
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>
>Start a brand-new day the Llama way:
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>
>Llama Llama models his morning routine for 
>toddlers under the watchful guidance of Mama 
>Llama. Unlike his earlier books, however, 
>there?s no "llama drama" to be found: Llama 
>Llama is sweet-tempered and cooperative 
>throughout. Llama Llama eats his breakfast and 
>watches Mama prepare him a snack, before grabbing his coat and backpack.
>
>Order at:
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>
>
>******
>To order any books, send payment to:
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From lyndaz918 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 01:00:46 2012
From: lyndaz918 at gmail.com (Lynda Zwinger)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:00:46 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] Business cards
Message-ID: <CABPRZbyC2C2pm9VUhDfagg3LCoyBTb7AnLq1ZOdwuaMkp9mtjg@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi all--Has anyone purchased Brailled business cards recently?  I want to
order some and need a relatively short (ie, not months) turnaround.  Advice?

thanks,
Lynda Zwinger


From ann at acunningham.com  Wed Jul 25 02:09:17 2012
From: ann at acunningham.com (ann at acunningham.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:09:17 -0700
Subject: [blindkid] {Disarmed} RE:  art that shows animal movement
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From doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul 25 14:44:32 2012
From: doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net (Doreen Franklin)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <CAPWmL9sMk5JHCAHab1KQiV+WVrDO8-g69CWhSzGJPbuiB6_NpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <NDcyMzI3NwAC90Y97BAMTM0MzE4NDMwNjU4MjE2@www.flhef.org>
	<1343186318.51215.YahooMailNeo@web114006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAPWmL9sMk5JHCAHab1KQiV+WVrDO8-g69CWhSzGJPbuiB6_NpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1343227472.49631.YahooMailNeo@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Your urgent help is needed ..... I am just appalled that the UNITED NATIONS would even be involved in this .... 
?
?
?
Doreen Franklin
Florida

?
- - - - - - -? - - - - - - - - - - - -??
?


HEF received this tonight and is passing it along to ask for your help. Please forward it to all your friends.
Thanks, 
Brenda

Thursday, 7/26, is a big day, but not in a good way.
Here's why.
On Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on a treaty that would put us under international law when it comes to parenting our special needs children.
Yes, you read that right.
In the United States of America, there is actually discussion about adopting the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), which would give the U.N. oversight of the healthcare and education choices parents with special needs kids make.? It is outrageous that the government could tell me and you what is best for our children, particularly when they've never met the child.?
As parents of a precious special needs child, Karen and I have already written to every U.S. Senator and are making calls as well to stop the ratification of this treaty.
But we can't do it alone.? Please join Patriot Voices, the Home School Legal Defense Association and others to help us stop the U.S. Senate from considering this deeply misguided treaty.
We need you to do four things to help us stop CRPD:
?? Please call your senator and ask them to vote NO on this treaty.?Find your senator's contact information here.
?? Please?email your senator?and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. We've made this easier by providing? sample email copy for you to use.
?? Please call the White House at 202-456-1111 and ask President Obama to withdraw this treaty from the U.S. Senate now.
?? Please Tweet on our behalf: "Help stop ratification of UN Disabilities Treaty #CRPD?http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3521/mailid-97/subid-90?Contact US Senator today? http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3522/mailid-97/subid-90"
If this were to pass, CRPD would become the law of the land under the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would trump state laws, and could be used as precedent by state and federal judges. This treaty would give the government, acting under U.N. instructions, the ability to determine for all children with disabilities what is best for them. It also would give the U.N. discretion over decisions about how we educate our special needs kids, and could potentially eliminate parental rights for the education of children with disabilities.
Please?join our fight and tell our Senators?that this treaty has no place in the United States of America.
Thank you and God Bless for all that you're doing to stand with us!
All my best,
Rick Santorum 




-- 
Blessings to you and yours,
Susan Furiato 

http://livinlifeoutloud.blogspot.com/

From marshall.flax+blindkid at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 15:13:13 2012
From: marshall.flax+blindkid at gmail.com (Marshall Flax)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:13:13 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <1343227472.49631.YahooMailNeo@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <NDcyMzI3NwAC90Y97BAMTM0MzE4NDMwNjU4MjE2@www.flhef.org>
	<1343186318.51215.YahooMailNeo@web114006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAPWmL9sMk5JHCAHab1KQiV+WVrDO8-g69CWhSzGJPbuiB6_NpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1343227472.49631.YahooMailNeo@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CACEPurtC_h4eBakv6yqqE3t0+pJcFGk60qLY4eq4x9L-8WtTbw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to this, but most of the treaty looks wonderful, and would
guarantee many rights for disabled people worldwide.  It might not
guarantee as many rights to the parents of disabled people, but it is
important to remember that's an entirely separate issue.

I think we need more details before we can decide either way.

Thanks!

Marshall

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Doreen Franklin <
doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Your urgent help is needed ..... I am just appalled that the UNITED
> NATIONS would even be involved in this ....
>
>
>
> Doreen Franklin
> Florida
>
>
> - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
> HEF received this tonight and is passing it along to ask for your help.
> Please forward it to all your friends.
> Thanks,
> Brenda
>
> Thursday, 7/26, is a big day, but not in a good way.
> Here's why.
> On Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on a treaty
> that would put us under international law when it comes to parenting our
> special needs children.
> Yes, you read that right.
> In the United States of America, there is actually discussion about
> adopting the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with
> Disabilities (CRPD), which would give the U.N. oversight of the healthcare
> and education choices parents with special needs kids make.  It is
> outrageous that the government could tell me and you what is best for our
> children, particularly when they've never met the child.
> As parents of a precious special needs child, Karen and I have already
> written to every U.S. Senator and are making calls as well to stop the
> ratification of this treaty.
> But we can't do it alone.  Please join Patriot Voices, the Home School
> Legal Defense Association and others to help us stop the U.S. Senate from
> considering this deeply misguided treaty.
> We need you to do four things to help us stop CRPD:
> ?  Please call your senator and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. Find
> your senator's contact information here.
> ?  Please email your senator and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. We've
> made this easier by providing  sample email copy for you to use.
> ?  Please call the White House at 202-456-1111 and ask President Obama to
> withdraw this treaty from the U.S. Senate now.
> ?  Please Tweet on our behalf: "Help stop ratification of UN Disabilities
> Treaty #CRPD
> http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3521/mailid-97/subid-90 Contact
> US Senator today
> http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3522/mailid-97/subid-90
> "
> If this were to pass, CRPD would become the law of the land under the U.S.
> Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would trump state laws, and could be
> used as precedent by state and federal judges. This treaty would give the
> government, acting under U.N. instructions, the ability to determine for
> all children with disabilities what is best for them. It also would give
> the U.N. discretion over decisions about how we educate our special needs
> kids, and could potentially eliminate parental rights for the education of
> children with disabilities.
> Please join our fight and tell our Senators that this treaty has no place
> in the United States of America.
> Thank you and God Bless for all that you're doing to stand with us!
> All my best,
> Rick Santorum
>
>
>
>
> --
> Blessings to you and yours,
> Susan Furiato
>
> http://livinlifeoutloud.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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From dblair2525 at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 15:15:49 2012
From: dblair2525 at msn.com (Pat Renfranz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:15:49 -0600
Subject: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <1343227472.49631.YahooMailNeo@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>

I strongly disagree, and would urge list members to read through the
convention protocol before voicing complaint.

In my reading of it, the convention urges governments to recognize the
rights of children with disabilities to an education, and asks them to
ensure that children are not excluded from education on the basis of
disability. It stresses accessibility, accommodations, and individualized
support. It further encourages teaching of Braille and other skills by
qualified teachers. In no place does it tell me how to educate my child.

A protocol of this type could be a lifesaver for special needs children in
some countries, where parents could only hope to have the issues we face in
the US. We are very lucky indeed.

Just my opinion.

Pat


On 7/25/12 8:44 AM, "Doreen Franklin" <doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Your urgent help is needed ..... I am just appalled that the UNITED NATIONS
> would even be involved in this .... 
?
?
?
Doreen Franklin
Florida

?
- - - -
> - - -? - - - - - - - - - - - -??
?


HEF received this tonight and is passing
> it along to ask for your help. Please forward it to all your friends.
Thanks,
> 
Brenda

Thursday, 7/26, is a big day, but not in a good way.
Here's why.
On
> Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on a treaty that
> would put us under international law when it comes to parenting our special
> needs children.
Yes, you read that right.
In the United States of America,
> there is actually discussion about adopting the United Nations Convention on
> the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), which would give the U.N.
> oversight of the healthcare and education choices parents with special needs
> kids make.? It is outrageous that the government could tell me and you what is
> best for our children, particularly when they've never met the child.?
As
> parents of a precious special needs child, Karen and I have already written to
> every U.S. Senator and are making calls as well to stop the ratification of
> this treaty.
But we can't do it alone.? Please join Patriot Voices, the Home
> School Legal Defense Association and others to help us stop the U.S. Senate
> from considering this deeply misguided treaty.
We need you to do four things
> to help us stop CRPD:
?? Please call your senator and ask them to vote NO on
> this treaty.?Find your senator's contact information here.
?? Please?email
> your senator?and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. We've made this easier by
> providing? sample email copy for you to use.
?? Please call the White House at
> 202-456-1111 and ask President Obama to withdraw this treaty from the U.S.
> Senate now.
?? Please Tweet on our behalf: "Help stop ratification of UN
> Disabilities Treaty
> #CRPD?http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3521/mailid-97/subid
> -90?Contact US Senator today?
> http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3522/mailid-97/subid-90"
I
> f this were to pass, CRPD would become the law of the land under the U.S.
> Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would trump state laws, and could be used
> as precedent by state and federal judges. This treaty would give the
> government, acting under U.N. instructions, the ability to determine for all
> children with disabilities what is best for them. It also would give the U.N.
> discretion over decisions about how we educate our special needs kids, and
> could potentially eliminate parental rights for the education of children with
> disabilities.
Please?join our fight and tell our Senators?that this treaty has
> no place in the United States of America.
Thank you and God Bless for all that
> you're doing to stand with us!
All my best,
Rick Santorum 




-- 
Blessings
> to you and yours,
Susan Furiato
> 

http://livinlifeoutloud.blogspot.com/
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> list
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From pinchnmom at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 15:28:03 2012
From: pinchnmom at yahoo.com (Margaret Moore)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>
References: <1343227472.49631.YahooMailNeo@web180214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1343230083.23143.YahooMailNeo@web122403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for offering this opinion.? I would like to hear what others have to say also.
?
M. Moore
?


________________________________
From: Pat Renfranz <dblair2525 at msn.com>
To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List <blindkid at nfbnet.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!

I strongly disagree, and would urge list members to read through the
convention protocol before voicing complaint.

In my reading of it, the convention urges governments to recognize the
rights of children with disabilities to an education, and asks them to
ensure that children are not excluded from education on the basis of
disability. It stresses accessibility, accommodations, and individualized
support. It further encourages teaching of Braille and other skills by
qualified teachers. In no place does it tell me how to educate my child.

A protocol of this type could be a lifesaver for special needs children in
some countries, where parents could only hope to have the issues we face in
the US. We are very lucky indeed.

Just my opinion.

Pat


On 7/25/12 8:44 AM, "Doreen Franklin" <doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Your urgent help is needed ..... I am just appalled that the UNITED NATIONS
> would even be involved in this .... 
?
?
?
Doreen Franklin
Florida

?
- - - -
> - - -? - - - - - - - - - - - -??
?


HEF received this tonight and is passing
> it along to ask for your help. Please forward it to all your friends.
Thanks,
> 
Brenda

Thursday, 7/26, is a big day, but not in a good way.
Here's why.
On
> Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on a treaty that
> would put us under international law when it comes to parenting our special
> needs children.
Yes, you read that right.
In the United States of America,
> there is actually discussion about adopting the United Nations Convention on
> the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), which would give the U.N.
> oversight of the healthcare and education choices parents with special needs
> kids make.? It is outrageous that the government could tell me and you what is
> best for our children, particularly when they've never met the child.?
As
> parents of a precious special needs child, Karen and I have already written to
> every U.S. Senator and are making calls as well to stop the ratification of
> this treaty.
But we can't do it alone.? Please join Patriot Voices, the Home
> School Legal Defense Association and others to help us stop the U.S. Senate
> from considering this deeply misguided treaty.
We need you to do four things
> to help us stop CRPD:
?? Please call your senator and ask them to vote NO on
> this treaty.?Find your senator's contact information here.
?? Please?email
> your senator?and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. We've made this easier by
> providing? sample email copy for you to use.
?? Please call the White House at
> 202-456-1111 and ask President Obama to withdraw this treaty from the U.S.
> Senate now.
?? Please Tweet on our behalf: "Help stop ratification of UN
> Disabilities Treaty
> #CRPD?http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3521/mailid-97/subid
> -90?Contact US Senator today?
> http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3522/mailid-97/subid-90"
I
> f this were to pass, CRPD would become the law of the land under the U.S.
> Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would trump state laws, and could be used
> as precedent by state and federal judges. This treaty would give the
> government, acting under U.N. instructions, the ability to determine for all
> children with disabilities what is best for them. It also would give the U.N.
> discretion over decisions about how we educate our special needs kids, and
> could potentially eliminate parental rights for the education of children with
> disabilities.
Please?join our fight and tell our Senators?that this treaty has
> no place in the United States of America.
Thank you and God Bless for all that
> you're doing to stand with us!
All my best,
Rick Santorum 




-- 
Blessings
> to you and yours,
Susan Furiato
> 

http://livinlifeoutloud.blogspot.com/
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From dhammelia at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 01:14:21 2012
From: dhammelia at aol.com (dhammelia at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:14:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CF38E31F1CDC28-2754-49827@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com>


No matter how good the language sounds whenever the U.N. gets involved the message gets lost in the politics.

When Lybia under Quadafi gets put in charge of the U.N. committee in charge of human rights and Iraq heads the U.N. council in charge of arms trading you have to know something is wrong.

Sorry but I have to agree with Doreen we do not need the U.N. telling us what is suitable education for the disabled.

Dave Hammel



-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Renfranz <dblair2525 at msn.com>
To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!


I strongly disagree, and would urge list members to read through the
onvention protocol before voicing complaint.
In my reading of it, the convention urges governments to recognize the
ights of children with disabilities to an education, and asks them to
nsure that children are not excluded from education on the basis of
isability. It stresses accessibility, accommodations, and individualized
upport. It further encourages teaching of Braille and other skills by
ualified teachers. In no place does it tell me how to educate my child.
A protocol of this type could be a lifesaver for special needs children in
ome countries, where parents could only hope to have the issues we face in
he US. We are very lucky indeed.
Just my opinion.
Pat

n 7/25/12 8:44 AM, "Doreen Franklin" <doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Your urgent help is needed ..... I am just appalled that the UNITED NATIONS
 would even be involved in this .... 



oreen Franklin
lorida
 
 - - -
 - - -  - - - - - - - - - - - -  


EF received this tonight and is passing
 it along to ask for your help. Please forward it to all your friends.
hanks,
 
renda
Thursday, 7/26, is a big day, but not in a good way.
ere's why.
n
 Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on a treaty that
 would put us under international law when it comes to parenting our special
 needs children.
es, you read that right.
n the United States of America,
 there is actually discussion about adopting the United Nations Convention on
 the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), which would give the U.N.
 oversight of the healthcare and education choices parents with special needs
 kids make.  It is outrageous that the government could tell me and you what is
 best for our children, particularly when they've never met the child. 
s
 parents of a precious special needs child, Karen and I have already written to
 every U.S. Senator and are making calls as well to stop the ratification of
 this treaty.
ut we can't do it alone.  Please join Patriot Voices, the Home
 School Legal Defense Association and others to help us stop the U.S. Senate
 from considering this deeply misguided treaty.
e need you to do four things
 to help us stop CRPD:
  Please call your senator and ask them to vote NO on
 this treaty. Find your senator's contact information here.
  Please email
 your senator and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. We've made this easier by
 providing  sample email copy for you to use.
  Please call the White House at
 202-456-1111 and ask President Obama to withdraw this treaty from the U.S.
 Senate now.
  Please Tweet on our behalf: "Help stop ratification of UN
 Disabilities Treaty
 #CRPD http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3521/mailid-97/subid
 -90 Contact US Senator today 
 http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3522/mailid-97/subid-90"

 f this were to pass, CRPD would become the law of the land under the U.S.
 Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would trump state laws, and could be used
 as precedent by state and federal judges. This treaty would give the
 government, acting under U.N. instructions, the ability to determine for all
 children with disabilities what is best for them. It also would give the U.N.
 discretion over decisions about how we educate our special needs kids, and
 could potentially eliminate parental rights for the education of children with
 disabilities.
lease join our fight and tell our Senators that this treaty has
 no place in the United States of America.
hank you and God Bless for all that
 you're doing to stand with us!
ll my best,
ick Santorum 


- 
lessings
 to you and yours,
usan Furiato
 
http://livinlifeoutloud.blogspot.com/
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From albert at myblindspot.org  Thu Jul 26 01:21:29 2012
From: albert at myblindspot.org (Albert J Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:29 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <8CF38E31F1CDC28-2754-49827@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>
	<8CF38E31F1CDC28-2754-49827@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7F9D446597834BBB8162F154B7D9036C@JkTC4D1>

Is there a copy of this initiative that we could review?

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York  10004
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of dhammelia at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:14 PM
To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!


No matter how good the language sounds whenever the U.N. gets involved the
message gets lost in the politics.

When Lybia under Quadafi gets put in charge of the U.N. committee in charge
of human rights and Iraq heads the U.N. council in charge of arms trading
you have to know something is wrong.

Sorry but I have to agree with Doreen we do not need the U.N. telling us
what is suitable education for the disabled.

Dave Hammel



-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Renfranz <dblair2525 at msn.com>
To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!


I strongly disagree, and would urge list members to read through the
onvention protocol before voicing complaint.
In my reading of it, the convention urges governments to recognize the
ights of children with disabilities to an education, and asks them to
nsure that children are not excluded from education on the basis of
isability. It stresses accessibility, accommodations, and individualized
upport. It further encourages teaching of Braille and other skills by
ualified teachers. In no place does it tell me how to educate my child.
A protocol of this type could be a lifesaver for special needs children in
ome countries, where parents could only hope to have the issues we face in
he US. We are very lucky indeed.
Just my opinion.
Pat

n 7/25/12 8:44 AM, "Doreen Franklin" <doreenproverbs3 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Your urgent help is needed ..... I am just appalled that the UNITED
NATIONS
 would even be involved in this .... 



oreen Franklin
lorida
 
 - - -
 - - -  - - - - - - - - - - - -  


EF received this tonight and is passing
 it along to ask for your help. Please forward it to all your friends.
hanks,
 
renda
Thursday, 7/26, is a big day, but not in a good way.
ere's why.
n
 Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will vote on a treaty that
 would put us under international law when it comes to parenting our special
 needs children.
es, you read that right.
n the United States of America,
 there is actually discussion about adopting the United Nations Convention
on
 the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD), which would give the U.N.
 oversight of the healthcare and education choices parents with special
needs
 kids make.  It is outrageous that the government could tell me and you what
is
 best for our children, particularly when they've never met the child. 
s
 parents of a precious special needs child, Karen and I have already written
to
 every U.S. Senator and are making calls as well to stop the ratification of
 this treaty.
ut we can't do it alone.  Please join Patriot Voices, the Home
 School Legal Defense Association and others to help us stop the U.S. Senate
 from considering this deeply misguided treaty.
e need you to do four things
 to help us stop CRPD:
  Please call your senator and ask them to vote NO on
 this treaty. Find your senator's contact information here.
  Please email
 your senator and ask them to vote NO on this treaty. We've made this easier
by
 providing  sample email copy for you to use.
  Please call the White House at
 202-456-1111 and ask President Obama to withdraw this treaty from the U.S.
 Senate now.
  Please Tweet on our behalf: "Help stop ratification of UN
 Disabilities Treaty
 #CRPD
http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3521/mailid-97/subid
 -90 Contact US Senator today 
 
http://www.flhef.org/component/acymailing/url/urlid-3522/mailid-97/subid-90"

 f this were to pass, CRPD would become the law of the land under the U.S.
 Constitution's Supremacy Clause, and would trump state laws, and could be
used
 as precedent by state and federal judges. This treaty would give the
 government, acting under U.N. instructions, the ability to determine for
all
 children with disabilities what is best for them. It also would give the
U.N.
 discretion over decisions about how we educate our special needs kids, and
 could potentially eliminate parental rights for the education of children
with
 disabilities.
lease join our fight and tell our Senators that this treaty has
 no place in the United States of America.
hank you and God Bless for all that
 you're doing to stand with us!
ll my best,
ick Santorum 


- 
lessings
 to you and yours,
usan Furiato
 
http://livinlifeoutloud.blogspot.com/
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jul 26 01:32:31 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:32:31 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Accessible Robotic Programming Helps Teens Get into
	Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics
Message-ID: <auto-000069758964@mailfront4.g2host.com>


Accessible Robotic Programming Helps Teens Get into Science, 
Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics

<http://www.proyectovision.net/english/news/49/index.html>Return to index




Description: A group picture of the participants and their robo

The participants and their robots.

Description: A robot on a table makes its way between barriers

A robot navigating the maze.

Description: A teenage girl sits at a laptop and programs comma

Programming the robot.

Description: A computer screen shows various commands that the

Commands that have been programmed.

Description: Several students look on as a robot begins its att

A robot getting ready to knock over some obstacles.


People with college degrees tend to earn about twice as much money as 
people who don't finish college. And people who major in Science, 
Technology, Engineering and Math (often called the "STEM" fields) 
make even more and have an easier time finding jobs.

The key is making sure that young people with disabilities get access 
to good STEM jobs. In order to make that a reality, on June 21st, the 
<http://www.wid.org>World Institute on Disability (WID), in 
collaboration with <http://www.wizkidztech.org/>WizKidz and 
<http://humanslab.ece.gatech.edu/humansWeb/Education.html>Georgia 
Tech's Human-Automation Systems Lab (HumAnS), hosted an ARoPability 
Workshop (that's short for "Accessible Robotic Programming for 
Students with Visual Impairments") at the 
<http://www.edrobertscampus.org/>Ed Roberts Campus in Berkeley, California.

Access to technology is especially important for people with 
disabilities, because they often are early adopters of technology and 
benefit disproportionately from it. However, they have also been 
largely left out of the development of that technology and the 
benefits of having those good STEM jobs. This workshop was designed 
to introduce young people to the opportunities available to them by 
allowing them to creatively explore options that may seem impossible 
and be a part of the tech sector, not just as users, but as engineers 
and developers. By teaching kids how to operate robots, this day long 
event made science and technology fun, engaging, and real.

The <http://www.juniorblind.org>Junior Blind of America and 
<http://lighthouse-sf.org/>LightHouse for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired recruited ten Bay Area teenagers between the ages of 14 and 
19 with visual impairments or blindness to participate. They were 
divided into 5 teams of 2 students each who would work together to 
program and operate their robots. Three graduate students from 
Georgia Tech led the WhizKids-designed program, first introducing the 
participants to their 
<http://shop.lego.com/en-US/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-NXT-2-0-8547;jsessionid=jEc2fzgNaMZkgaMeS9Xhgg**.lego-ps-2-1>Lego 
NXT robots and laptop computers and then beginning to teach them how 
they worked.

The way you control these robots is by writing software code on your 
computer and then connecting the robot to your computer via the USB 
port. The code you write is then transferred to the robot and it 
performs whatever actions you programmed. So, the leaders of this 
workshop taught the students how to program their robots to do things 
like walk forward 10 centimeters, turn left or right, and how many 
degrees they should turn.

There were two big keys to making this work for this particular group 
of students. The first was that Georgia Tech's HumAnS lab had adapted 
Lego software to work with 
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp>JAWS, 
a popular screen-reading program that helps blind people use Windows 
software, and with magnification software that helps people with 
visual impairments get a very close up view of what is on their 
screens. By doing this, they took the Lego software, which was 
inaccessible, and made it into an exciting tool that these young 
people could use.

The second big key was that they had adapted Nintendo Wii controllers 
to give the students tactile feedback for whatever their robots 
did.  So, whenever the robots went forward or backward, left or 
right, or even when they bumped into something, the Wii controllers 
would vibrate in certain ways, letting the young programmers know 
exactly what had happened!

Once the students had a grasp of how to program commands into their 
robots, it was time for the games to begin. First, they had to 
program their robots to navigate a maze with wooden blocks.  To do 
this, they initially "watched" as the workshop facilitator had his 
pre-programmed robot go through the maze. As the robot went, on each 
team one teammate would feel the vibrations the robot communicated to 
the Wii controller and tell the other teammate what the robot was 
doing. The other teammate would take notes and try to program their 
own robot to do the same thing. No team made it through the maze on 
their first try, but by the second or third try, most had it figured out!

Then they played "Kick the Can," where they had to figure out ways to 
program their robots to knock over a bunch of water bottles and other 
barriers scattered around a table.  The challenge here was to figure 
out how to program the robot such that it would cover the highest 
percentage possible of the table's surface to find the objects they 
had to "kick," but without falling off. For example, some programmed 
their robots to methodically go back and forwards across the table, 
as though their robots were mowing a big football field, while 
another team had their robot go in a spiral, slowly but steadily 
creeping outwards and pushing over everything in its path.

In this way, the basic principles of computer programming and 
engineering were introduced to these 10 students. As Kat Zigmont, one 
of the WID employees who organized the event put it, "The best thing 
about the day was that before the workshop began, none of the 
students had done any computer programming, but by the end, all were 
confident that it was something they could learn and they hoped to 
learn more!"

WID will continue doing these types of workshops, so that more and 
more young people with all types of disabilities can become more 
involved in STEM fields. <http://www.wid.org>Check out the WID 
website for more information about this and other WID programs.
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From marshall.flax+blindkid at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 01:49:40 2012
From: marshall.flax+blindkid at gmail.com (Marshall Flax)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:49:40 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
In-Reply-To: <7F9D446597834BBB8162F154B7D9036C@JkTC4D1>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9050DC7244410A91C81528D5C30@phx.gbl>
	<8CF38E31F1CDC28-2754-49827@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com>
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A copy of the text is at
http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml

A summary and some context is at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Persons_with_Disabilities

Enjoy!

Marshall

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org>wrote:

> Is there a copy of this initiative that we could review?
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
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From albert at myblindspot.org  Thu Jul 26 01:58:23 2012
From: albert at myblindspot.org (Albert J Rizzi)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:58:23 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!
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Thank you marshal 

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York  10004
www.myblindspot.org
PH: 917-553-0347
Fax: 212-858-5759
"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
doing it."


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-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marshall Flax
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:50 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Urgent Calls Needed by Thursday 7/26!

A copy of the text is at
http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml

A summary and some context is at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Persons_with_Disabi
lities

Enjoy!

Marshall

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Albert J Rizzi
<albert at myblindspot.org>wrote:

> Is there a copy of this initiative that we could review?
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York  10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
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From bwbddl at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 15:53:14 2012
From: bwbddl at yahoo.com (Debby B)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindkid] Fw: Awana
In-Reply-To: <FCDFE2FA58CA4D80A90C335BF16F8B43@CharlesCoueyHP>
References: <1337813956.41295.YahooMailNeo@web112510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<F8D23801AA1D48A2938AFB406D487F68@CharlesCoueyHP>
	<1337857565.5591.YahooMailNeo@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<FCDFE2FA58CA4D80A90C335BF16F8B43@CharlesCoueyHP>
Message-ID: <1343317994.84681.YahooMailNeo@web112514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Following my signature is the information from Charles Couey, my contact for this type of thing. He's been wonderful, and I can't wait to meet him someday.

?
Debby
bwbddl at yahoo.com

~"Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can read."~Mark Twain

Debby,
?
I?ve 
contacted Awana and they said the best way to get the ball rolling on getting 
the files in braille is to send an email to 
?
permission at awana.org 
?
and 
ask about obtaining the files needed in a format that could be used for 
translating into braille.? 
?
Microsoft 
Word is good, because the BrailleNote products as well as the Freedom Scientific 
PakMate can read those formats and convert them into electronic braille on the 
fly.
?
Feel 
free to call or email me with any further questions regarding this 
issue.
?
You 
could have your friend contact me if that would be better for you.
?
?
The 
Lord bless you,
?
Brother 
Charles Couey
Mission 
Service Corps missionary
Ministry 
with the Blind 
North 
American Mission Board
southern 
Baptist Convention
615-400-5207 
? cell phone
BroCharles at bellsouth.net ? 
E?mail 

From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jul 29 17:02:16 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:02:16 -0500
Subject: [blindkid] Blind Intern Helps with Archives
Message-ID: <auto-000070184520@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I received this message from my friend Sierra, who was a national
>scholarship winner this year.  I have pasted it below.
>
>* * *
>
>As most of you know, I have spent the last two summers interning at
>the National Archives in the Office of Presidential Libraries. Last
>summer, while doing research for the anniversary of the Americans with
>Disabilities act of 1990, I discovered NARA did not have a digital
>copy of the ADA. Surprised that this landmark legislation was missing,
>I talked to my supervisor about adding a copy to the library's digital
>catalog. That one conversation has grown into a web resource featuring
>a variety of records relating to Americans with disabilities from all
>of the Presidential Libraries. The resource went live this week on
>NARA's website at:
>http://www.archives.gov/research/americans-with-disabilities/
>You should check it out. There are over 50 records ranging from Helen
>Keller's letters to  President Hoover to photos of the dinner
>President Clinton gave to honor the Special Olympics. I especially
>like the Braille letter a 13 year old boy sent to President
>Eisenhower.
>
>
>The resource was designed with accessibility in mind. For example,
>each textual document has a corresponding transcript. If, while
>looking around the page, you find any problems please let me know in
>the next two weeks so I can work on getting them fixed before I leave
>Washington D.C.
>
>
>One last thing, the Archives is really promoting the site this week on
>social media including Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr. Please check out
>the National Archives Facebook/Twitter pages and help us get the word
>out about this cool resource.
>
>
>Thank you,
>Sierra
>
>--
>Julie McG
>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind
>of Missouri recording secretary,
>Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>
>"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>life."
>John 3:16
>
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From traci.renee27 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 14:00:22 2012
From: traci.renee27 at gmail.com (Traci Wilkerson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:00:22 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Picking out Clothes
Message-ID: <CAA_Kv6KGeZp0r02X7wORZmoDUQWAcM65qK9rWwxksdqhz=SU0w@mail.gmail.com>

My kids are almost 6 and 8 and I am wondering when you started labeling
their clothes so they could pick out their own clothes?  I hang most of my
daughters clothes b/c she wears alot of dresses and skirts/tops combo's.
My son's clothes are in drawers.  I know I should always do what I can to
push their independence, but I'm also going to have to change the way I
shop if I start letting them pulling their own outfits!  ha!

When you do let them pull their own clothes, how do you mark so they know
what the outfit is?  Do you label colors, etc.  My son likes to know what
is on his shirt (picture, etc) but he is just learning braille, so he
couldn't read it if I typed it up for him....   My daughter could read it,
but she would only need to know colors, etc.  I'm thinking this would make
them more aware of the colors they are wearing as well and learn what
colors go together (at least what I think goes together - :)   ).

Thanks for your help!

Traci
Olivia, 7 and Evan, 5, both LCA


From carol_castellano at verizon.net  Tue Jul 31 18:05:40 2012
From: carol_castellano at verizon.net (Carol Castellano)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:05:40 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Hosting a blind exchange student from Ghana
Message-ID: <841700.92828.qm@smtp101.vzn.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone,
I am forwarding this information on hosting a blind exchange student.
Carol

Carol Castellano
President, Parents of Blind Children-NJ
Director of Programs
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
973-377-0976
carol_castellano at verizon.net
www.blindchildren.org
www.nopbc.org


>From: Curt Carlson <CCarlson at ciee.org>
>To: "E-mail:" <blindchildren at verizon.net>
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:16:44 -0400
>Subject: Hosting a blind exchange student from Ghana
>
>Hi Carol,
>
>My name is Curt Carlson and I work CIEE, a non-profit student 
>exchange organization. I am reaching out to you because of your 
>involvement with the NOPBC. We are looking for a host family for a 
>boy named James from Ghana who is blind. He has won a prestigious 
>exchange grant from the Department of State to come on the YES 
>scholarship which is a sought after program for students from 
>cultures of the Arab and Muslim world. Our organization is trying to 
>best accommodate James, so perhaps you can help us find us a loving 
>home within the blind community. Hosting an exchange student proves 
>to be a great promoter of diversity and diplomacy for the local 
>communities, which is one CIEE's first and foremost goals.
>
>Some information about James:
>
>GHANA_BOY
>Length: 10 months.  Arrival Date: August 2012.
>James is a 17 year old boy from Ghana.  "I am highly interested and 
>happy to be hosted by your family and my friends even wish they were 
>me, and the village cannot control her joy.  Since a native of here 
>for the first time in history is preparing to be hosted by your 
>family in America."  James enjoys participating in Debate Club and 
>the Ghana Blind Union.  He is proud of his family, which he 
>describes as "peaceful, generous, loving, and caring."    He enjoys 
>spending time with them - praying and worshipping, telling stories, 
>and listening to the news.  He has one brother and one sister.  He 
>would be interested in learning how to cook and trying soccer for 
>the visually impaired in the U.S.  He is eager to enrich his 
>cultural understanding and knowledge, share his culture, make new 
>friends, and inspire others.  He hopes to become a lawyer and 
>politician someday.  GPA: 3.2.  SLEP Score: 20.  Program Length: 10 
>months.  Arrival Date: August 2012. PEX: Blind since birth.
>
>
>Anything you could do to help spread the word about this wonderful 
>young man would be appreciated. To find out more about our program 
>in general please visit 
><http://www.ciee.org/highschool>www.ciee.org/highschool or you can 
>call me directly at (207)553-4140, time is of the essence as James 
>is trying to attend an Orientation for Disabled Exchange Students 
>that begins next week.
>
>Thanks for your consideration
>
>Curt Carlson
>USA High School Program
>CIEE: Council on International Educational Exchange
>Tel: +1.207.553.4140
>Fax: +1.207.553.5140
>Email: <ccarlson at ciee.htm>ccarlson at ciee.org
>Web: <www.ciee.htm>www.ciee.org/highschool
>Interest in Hosting? <http://youtu.be/SS2rOK9lZnk>Video
>
>
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From tlpickrel at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 18:11:45 2012
From: tlpickrel at hotmail.com (Trudy Pickrel)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:11:45 -0400
Subject: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 99, Issue 22
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I started by pointing out textures and difference between kaki and Jeans what emblem each shirt has and what color that shirt is.  Teaching what goes together. Brandon has a lot of his memorized. I then moved to putting sets together that match and have them help put away.  Some days you just have to close your eyes.  
Trudy L. Pickrel
President MD Parents of Blind Children
301-387-4182
301-501-1818
www.tlcbythelake.weebly.com

http://mdparentsofblindchildren.org/
Our independence comes from within. A slave can have keen eyesight, excellent mobility, and superb reading skills?and still be a slave. We are achieving freedom and independence in the only way that really counts?in rising self-respect, growing self-confidence, and the will and the ability to make choices. Above all, independence means choices, and the power to make those choices stick.
 
Kenneth Jernigan
 
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> My kids are almost 6 and 8 and I am wondering when you started labeling
> their clothes so they could pick out their own clothes?  I hang most of my
> daughters clothes b/c she wears alot of dresses and skirts/tops combo's.
> My son's clothes are in drawers.  I know I should always do what I can to
> push their independence, but I'm also going to have to change the way I
> shop if I start letting them pulling their own outfits!  ha!
> 
> When you do let them pull their own clothes, how do you mark so they know
> what the outfit is?  Do you label colors, etc.  My son likes to know what
> is on his shirt (picture, etc) but he is just learning braille, so he
> couldn't read it if I typed it up for him....   My daughter could read it,
> but she would only need to know colors, etc.  I'm thinking this would make
> them more aware of the colors they are wearing as well and learn what
> colors go together (at least what I think goes together - :)   ).
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> Traci
> Olivia, 7 and Evan, 5, both LCA
> 
> 
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