From mrwheelz63 at msn.com  Mon Sep  1 10:23:56 2014
From: mrwheelz63 at msn.com (mrwheelz63 at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:23:56 +0000
Subject: [Blind-rollers] from: Mrwheelz63
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From orleans24 at comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 04:44:46 2014
From: orleans24 at comcast.net (Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance
Message-ID: <0BB9A1B688B246E789AFF59A4A5B71BC@bibi>

Hi, all,
Sub says it all.
Recently, I've been having to put up a huge fight with the city and county of Denver here in Colorado.
I usually go out to the Super Wal-Mart on Hampden Avenue and Dayton Street to pick up my medications and I also like how it is wheelchair friendly.
On the way back up to the intersection, I come across a huge water puddle which a Wal-Mart associate recently described it as a foot wide water puddle.
Thankfully, I've never had my power chair short out, but I'm concerned one day, it can happen to someone else or eventually when winter hits soon, the foot wide pudle will turn into one major piece of ice.
I realize that with a power chair, it's not the best to go through water such that size, but there's not really another alternative way to get around the area.
When I've have had to deal with that foot wide water puddle, I've had to amp up the speed on my chair to the last speed which is 6 so my chair would move through it quickly.
I have filed numorous complaints with the city and their claim is and this is the quote from Damage Control, "According to the city ordinance, each person is responsible for their property even if it is not directly in front of a business".
Damage Control claims that Wal-Mart is responsible for getting that problem fixed and despite that I told Damage Control that I have already spoke to Wal-Mart on this problem and because of where the sidewalk is, it is beyond their property and directly outside their territory.
Once again, I had to go back to square one having to see if I could launch a complaint with neighborhood inspection instead.
This is very frustrating going round and round with a city who tries to say they are best and accessible, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Any ideas, suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.
I have tried to look up things on:
http://www.denvergov.org
www.denvergov.org
but problem I'm running into is that the web site is no longer speech friendly for those that use screen reading programs.
Sorry for the long, message.
Just needed to vent and get this all off of me.
Sincerely:
Bibi and MAR son Odie
orleans24 at comcast.net

From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Mon Sep  8 17:18:45 2014
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:18:45 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance
In-Reply-To: <0BB9A1B688B246E789AFF59A4A5B71BC@bibi>
References: <0BB9A1B688B246E789AFF59A4A5B71BC@bibi>
Message-ID: <006201cfcb88$f2967090$d7c351b0$@comcast.net>

If the street where the sidewalk is is say a State highway, then you take
the puddle up with the State folks

Anyway, makes sense to me you would not want your power chair splashed by
the puddle. So why take the chance by going fast through the puddle? Low
spead and you have no splashing. 

Also call the people who service your chair and ask how deep of a puddle you
can go through without shorting out your chair, if that is your concern.
Puddles at the ends of curb cuts are pretty deep, probably deeper then the
foot wide puddle on the sidewalk.

Anyway, I should think the information about how deep is to deep would be
tops on my list to learn.

Safety first, so slow down so you don't tip over again, please.

Becky and Jake waving a paw to Odie   
-----Original Message-----
From: Blind-rollers [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire via Blind-rollers
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Blind Rollers Mailing List
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance

Hi, all,
Sub says it all.
Recently, I've been having to put up a huge fight with the city and county
of Denver here in Colorado.
I usually go out to the Super Wal-Mart on Hampden Avenue and Dayton Street
to pick up my medications and I also like how it is wheelchair friendly.
On the way back up to the intersection, I come across a huge water puddle
which a Wal-Mart associate recently described it as a foot wide water
puddle.
Thankfully, I've never had my power chair short out, but I'm concerned one
day, it can happen to someone else or eventually when winter hits soon, the
foot wide pudle will turn into one major piece of ice.
I realize that with a power chair, it's not the best to go through water
such that size, but there's not really another alternative way to get around
the area.
When I've have had to deal with that foot wide water puddle, I've had to amp
up the speed on my chair to the last speed which is 6 so my chair would move
through it quickly.
I have filed numorous complaints with the city and their claim is and this
is the quote from Damage Control, "According to the city ordinance, each
person is responsible for their property even if it is not directly in front
of a business".
Damage Control claims that Wal-Mart is responsible for getting that problem
fixed and despite that I told Damage Control that I have already spoke to
Wal-Mart on this problem and because of where the sidewalk is, it is beyond
their property and directly outside their territory.
Once again, I had to go back to square one having to see if I could launch a
complaint with neighborhood inspection instead.
This is very frustrating going round and round with a city who tries to say
they are best and accessible, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Any ideas, suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.
I have tried to look up things on:
http://www.denvergov.org
www.denvergov.org
but problem I'm running into is that the web site is no longer speech
friendly for those that use screen reading programs.
Sorry for the long, message.
Just needed to vent and get this all off of me.
Sincerely:
Bibi and MAR son Odie
orleans24 at comcast.net
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From marlana.lyte at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 17:56:22 2014
From: marlana.lyte at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?TWFybGFuYQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:56:22 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers]
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Message-ID: <1D80F13B09080A381811001002@Marlana-PC>

I would think it is an accessability issue for sure. Here in Oregon we have agencies that will help you fight such issues. I was able to get an attourney help me get rapmps for my apartment when they were promised and then after I moved they said they were too expensive. My attourney had a few phone calls with them and now I have very nice ramps.

It will take some research for your particular state, here it is called Independent Living Resources. If you can do google searches to help you find an ADA attorney in your area they are quite often able to help you free of charge, or can refer you to those who can.

Marlana



Original message
From: "Becky Frankeberger via Blind-rollers" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
To: orleans24 at comcast.net; blind-rollers at nfbnet.org; 
Dated: 9/8/2014 10:18:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance

If the street where the sidewalk is is say a State highway, then you take
the puddle up with the State folks

Anyway, makes sense to me you would not want your power chair splashed by
the puddle. So why take the chance by going fast through the puddle? Low
spead and you have no splashing. 

Also call the people who service your chair and ask how deep of a puddle you
can go through without shorting out your chair, if that is your concern.
Puddles at the ends of curb cuts are pretty deep, probably deeper then the
foot wide puddle on the sidewalk.

Anyway, I should think the information about how deep is to deep would be
tops on my list to learn.

Safety first, so slow down so you don't tip over again, please.

Becky and Jake waving a paw to Odie 
-----Original Message-----
From: Blind-rollers [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire via Blind-rollers
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Blind Rollers Mailing List
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance

Hi, all,
Sub says it all.
Recently, I've been having to put up a huge fight with the city and county
of Denver here in Colorado.
I usually go out to the Super Wal-Mart on Hampden Avenue and Dayton Street
to pick up my medications and I also like how it is wheelchair friendly.
On the way back up to the intersection, I come across a huge water puddle
which a Wal-Mart associate recently described it as a foot wide water
puddle.
Thankfully, I've never had my power chair short out, but I'm concerned one
day, it can happen to someone else or eventually when winter hits soon, the
foot wide pudle will turn into one major piece of ice.
I realize that with a power chair, it's not the best to go through water
such that size, but there's not really another alternative way to get around
the area.
When I've have had to deal with that foot wide water puddle, I've had to amp
up the speed on my chair to the last speed which is 6 so my chair would move
through it quickly.
I have filed numorous complaints with the city and their claim is and this
is the quote from Damage Control, "According to the city ordinance, each
person is responsible for their property even if it is not directly in front
of a business".
Damage Control claims that Wal-Mart is responsible for getting that problem
fixed and despite that I told Damage Control that I have already spoke to
Wal-Mart on this problem and because of where the sidewalk is, it is beyond
their property and directly outside their territory.
Once again, I had to go back to square one having to see if I could launch a
complaint with neighborhood inspection instead.
This is very frustrating going round and round with a city who tries to say
they are best and accessible, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Any ideas, suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.
I have tried to look up things on:
http://www.denvergov.org
http://www.denvergov.org
but problem I'm running into is that the web site is no longer speech
friendly for those that use screen reading programs.
Sorry for the long, message.
Just needed to vent and get this all off of me.
Sincerely:
Bibi and MAR son Odie
orleans24 at comcast.net
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From wickps at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 18:10:10 2014
From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:10:10 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance
In-Reply-To: <1D80F13B09080A381811001002@Marlana-PC>
References: <1D80F13B09080A381811001002@Marlana-PC>
Message-ID: <F08F0D07-B1FB-4BBF-86BB-82E5D7FA00C5@gmail.com>

Bibi and All,

Speaking as an attorney myself; in the situation you don't need an attorney. Please contact your local Center for Independent living (and I know Denver has one) they have advocates on staff his job is precisely to help people and situations like this, all you really need to do is make a couple nasty phone calls to the public works department.

Best,
Paul

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Marlana via Blind-rollers <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would think it is an accessability issue for sure. Here in Oregon we have agencies that will help you fight such issues. I was able to get an attourney help me get rapmps for my apartment when they were promised and then after I moved they said they were too expensive. My attourney had a few phone calls with them and now I have very nice ramps.
> 
> It will take some research for your particular state, here it is called Independent Living Resources. If you can do google searches to help you find an ADA attorney in your area they are quite often able to help you free of charge, or can refer you to those who can.
> 
> Marlana
> 
> 
> 
> Original message
> From: "Becky Frankeberger via Blind-rollers" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> To: orleans24 at comcast.net; blind-rollers at nfbnet.org; 
> Dated: 9/8/2014 10:18:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance
> 
> If the street where the sidewalk is is say a State highway, then you take
> the puddle up with the State folks
> 
> Anyway, makes sense to me you would not want your power chair splashed by
> the puddle. So why take the chance by going fast through the puddle? Low
> spead and you have no splashing. 
> 
> Also call the people who service your chair and ask how deep of a puddle you
> can go through without shorting out your chair, if that is your concern.
> Puddles at the ends of curb cuts are pretty deep, probably deeper then the
> foot wide puddle on the sidewalk.
> 
> Anyway, I should think the information about how deep is to deep would be
> tops on my list to learn.
> 
> Safety first, so slow down so you don't tip over again, please.
> 
> Becky and Jake waving a paw to Odie 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-rollers [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire via Blind-rollers
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:45 PM
> To: Blind Rollers Mailing List
> Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance
> 
> Hi, all,
> Sub says it all.
> Recently, I've been having to put up a huge fight with the city and county
> of Denver here in Colorado.
> I usually go out to the Super Wal-Mart on Hampden Avenue and Dayton Street
> to pick up my medications and I also like how it is wheelchair friendly.
> On the way back up to the intersection, I come across a huge water puddle
> which a Wal-Mart associate recently described it as a foot wide water
> puddle.
> Thankfully, I've never had my power chair short out, but I'm concerned one
> day, it can happen to someone else or eventually when winter hits soon, the
> foot wide pudle will turn into one major piece of ice.
> I realize that with a power chair, it's not the best to go through water
> such that size, but there's not really another alternative way to get around
> the area.
> When I've have had to deal with that foot wide water puddle, I've had to amp
> up the speed on my chair to the last speed which is 6 so my chair would move
> through it quickly.
> I have filed numorous complaints with the city and their claim is and this
> is the quote from Damage Control, "According to the city ordinance, each
> person is responsible for their property even if it is not directly in front
> of a business".
> Damage Control claims that Wal-Mart is responsible for getting that problem
> fixed and despite that I told Damage Control that I have already spoke to
> Wal-Mart on this problem and because of where the sidewalk is, it is beyond
> their property and directly outside their territory.
> Once again, I had to go back to square one having to see if I could launch a
> complaint with neighborhood inspection instead.
> This is very frustrating going round and round with a city who tries to say
> they are best and accessible, but I'm not so sure anymore.
> Any ideas, suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.
> I have tried to look up things on:
> http://www.denvergov.org
> http://www.denvergov.org
> but problem I'm running into is that the web site is no longer speech
> friendly for those that use screen reading programs.
> Sorry for the long, message.
> Just needed to vent and get this all off of me.
> Sincerely:
> Bibi and MAR son Odie
> orleans24 at comcast.net
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From maureensmusic at comcast.net  Thu Sep 11 02:14:14 2014
From: maureensmusic at comcast.net (Maureen Pranghofer)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance
In-Reply-To: <0BB9A1B688B246E789AFF59A4A5B71BC@bibi>
References: <0BB9A1B688B246E789AFF59A4A5B71BC@bibi>
Message-ID: <39F34234D2A244019A7562B89AB5792F@maureenPC>

Hi
Is there always water there?  Where does thewater come from that it doesn't 
dry up.
Maureen


-----Original Message----- 
From: Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire via Blind-rollers
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:44 PM
To: Blind Rollers Mailing List
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchair access and city ordinance

Hi, all,
Sub says it all.
Recently, I've been having to put up a huge fight with the city and county 
of Denver here in Colorado.
I usually go out to the Super Wal-Mart on Hampden Avenue and Dayton Street 
to pick up my medications and I also like how it is wheelchair friendly.
On the way back up to the intersection, I come across a huge water puddle 
which a Wal-Mart associate recently described it as a foot wide water 
puddle.
Thankfully, I've never had my power chair short out, but I'm concerned one 
day, it can happen to someone else or eventually when winter hits soon, the 
foot wide pudle will turn into one major piece of ice.
I realize that with a power chair, it's not the best to go through water 
such that size, but there's not really another alternative way to get around 
the area.
When I've have had to deal with that foot wide water puddle, I've had to amp 
up the speed on my chair to the last speed which is 6 so my chair would move 
through it quickly.
I have filed numorous complaints with the city and their claim is and this 
is the quote from Damage Control, "According to the city ordinance, each 
person is responsible for their property even if it is not directly in front 
of a business".
Damage Control claims that Wal-Mart is responsible for getting that problem 
fixed and despite that I told Damage Control that I have already spoke to 
Wal-Mart on this problem and because of where the sidewalk is, it is beyond 
their property and directly outside their territory.
Once again, I had to go back to square one having to see if I could launch a 
complaint with neighborhood inspection instead.
This is very frustrating going round and round with a city who tries to say 
they are best and accessible, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Any ideas, suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.
I have tried to look up things on:
http://www.denvergov.org
www.denvergov.org
but problem I'm running into is that the web site is no longer speech 
friendly for those that use screen reading programs.
Sorry for the long, message.
Just needed to vent and get this all off of me.
Sincerely:
Bibi and MAR son Odie
orleans24 at comcast.net
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From orleans24 at comcast.net  Mon Sep 15 11:36:15 2014
From: orleans24 at comcast.net (Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 05:36:15 -0600
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchairs and Gateway Arch in Saint Luis, MO?
Message-ID: <F8FC41F2018E40F9ABDB530DE277449E@bibi>

Hi, all,
I was curious if anyone has traveled with their wheelchair to the Gateway Arch in Saint Luis, MO?
I had a dream a couple days ago of traveling to Missouri into Saint Louis to visit the Gateway Arch with my chair.
Inside the Gateway Arch, they don't have normal elevators.
Instead, the elevators are in a shape of an egg with five to six stools inside.
When the eggs are rising up to the top of the arch, they make light clicking noises and slightly turn sideways.
There is no lighting inside the egg shaped like elevator from what I can remember when  I toured the Arch almost twenty-four years ago.
Once the egg gets to the top, the doors open and you can walk over to a large bay glass window and look out to see that everything down below is toy-like.
I probably should look up the Gateway Arch and do some research on my own to see what I find out as far aas wheelchair access goes.
I wanted to put this out on the list for discussion and thoughts.
Bibi and MAR son Odie
orleans24 at comcast.net

From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Mon Sep 15 16:22:57 2014
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:22:57 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] wheelchairs and Gateway Arch in Saint Luis, MO?
In-Reply-To: <F8FC41F2018E40F9ABDB530DE277449E@bibi>
References: <F8FC41F2018E40F9ABDB530DE277449E@bibi>
Message-ID: <002201cfd101$500c9c90$f025d5b0$@comcast.net>

Bibi we were there several years ago. Yes you can get into the building,
hear descriptions and history of the arch. But I can assure you there are no
picture windows at the top of the arch. In fact you have to Neal on a bench
to see out the tiny windows. We went in the summer and it was horribly hot,
horribly confining in the pods going up, horribly hot and cramped when you
reach the top. It is though a beautiful structure and I found a place to
touch the actual metal outside of the arch itself. The park leading to the
arch is lovely. 

Oh, just to add,  to me it smelled moldy in the arch part i.e. riding in the
pods and in the little room where the look out windows are. I think the
windows were close to six inches by twelve inches.

Go to the Bush Brewing Company. It is fascinating the tour. You obviously do
not have to drink.   . Worth the money for such a long lovely tour, and you
get to see the horses and tour the barn, as well as hear how beer is made. I
had no idea there was such a detailed process, and the equipment they use is
huge. It is easily done in your power chair. 

The City Museum, don't know the formal name, is a wondrous place to go. But
get a dosen as a tour guide. The Museum provides them free.

For one of the best steaks you will ever eat, go to Mike Shannon's. Very
pricy, but amazing steaks. Did I say pricy, oh yes mam. 

I love St. Louis. When I talk about one of my very favorite places we
traveled, St. Louis is very high on that list. 

Becky and insistant Jake   




