From christellablue at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 02:48:09 2009
From: christellablue at gmail.com (Christella Garcia)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:48:09 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] Sports and Recreation Events
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Hi,  convention is fast approaching and the 
Sports and Recreation division is excited to 
bring three exciting events to all of 
you.  However, we need to get some logistics out 
of the way so we can enjoy the fun.  Therefore, I 
am attaching the liability waver which will need 
to be signed by anyone who wants to participate 
in any of our exciting events.  Please note, you 
must sign a waver for each event.  For example, 
if a person wants to participate in the swimming 
and judo events then they will need to sign a 
separate waver for each event.  If you have 
difficulty accessing the form or if you have any 
other questions please email me off list at: 
<mailto:christellablue at gmail.com>christellablue at gmail.com 
or call me on my cell (916) 208-3213.  and I will 
do my best to assist you.  Below you will find 
the time and place for each event.  The wavers 
will also be available at each event.  Parents 
please sign a waver for any child under age 
eighteen. Thanks, and let the games begin.
Christella Garcia Sports and recreation division vice president.


Friday, July 3, 2009

1:00 - 4:00 pm?SWIM CLINIC: SPORTS & REC DIVISION

Pool, Courtyard Marriott

Annie Sawicki, part of the AdapTap team (that 
designed an award-winning device for blind 
swimmers), is conducting a swimming workshop. 
Take a break with a cool dip in the pool.



Sunday, July 5, 2009

12:30 - 5:00 pm?SPORTS AND RECREATION DIVISION

Skyline A Room, Courtyard Marriott

    12:30 pm ? Registration; 1:00 pm ? Meeting begins

Wear your sweats and come ready for hands-on 
presentations in yoga and much more!  Lisamaria Martinez, President



Sunday, July 5, 2009

5:00 - 8:00 pm?JUDO WORKSHOP; SPORTS & REC DIVISION

Skyline B Room, Courtyard Marriott

Join USA Judo Paralympic bronze medal winner Greg 
DeWall to learn about judo from people involved 
in the sport.  See you on the mat!



Monday, July 6, 2009

6:00 - 9:00 pm?INDOOR ROWING; SPORTS & REC DIVISION

Skyline A and B Rooms, Courtyard Marriott

Row your way into fitness and maintain a healthy 
lifestyle using an accessible rowing machine.  Prizes plus plenty of fun!

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jul  1 02:44:45 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] 2009 Motor City March Info Packet
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The 2009 Motor City March for Independence:


NFB in the D







Before the March






?        An information session for Marchers will 
be held on Saturday, July 4, at 6:45 p.m. in the Greco Room on Level 4.


?        The ambassador briefing sessions will be 
held on Sunday, July 5, from 7:00 to 10:00 p.m. 
in Brul? B Room on Level 5. Those Federationists 
wanting to serve as ambassadors or wanting to 
familiarize themselves with the March and rally, 
can drop in any time during the three hour 
briefing session. The March route and tasks will be covered in detail.


?        Marchers can register for the March, 
turn in donations, and pick up their March items 
(such as t-shirts and medallions) at the 
Imagination Fund table in the Renaissance Foyer 
on Level 4 near the Convention registration table during registration times.






March Gathering Places and Times?Be  Ready to Chant and Cheer






?        Ambassadors and other March volunteers 
need to report at the Wintergarden entrance on 
Atwater Street by 6:00 a.m. on Monday, July 6.


?        Appointed sign and banner carriers need 
to gather 100 yards to the left of the 
Wintergarden entrance by 6:30 a.m. to pick up their banners/signs.


?        Torchbearers need to gather toward the 
front of the procession, at least 100 yards to 
the right of the Wintergarden entrance at 6:30 a.m.


?        Rally coordinators and stagers need to 
report to Rivard Plaza by 6:30 a.m.


?        Marchers need to gather at least 100 
yards to the right of the Wintergarden entrance by 6:45 a.m.






What will happen at the March


At 6:45 a.m. the March for Independence will 
begin with opening remarks by Dr. Maurer.  The 
Torch of Freedom will be lit and the March will 
begin by 7:00 a.m.!  Around 7:30 a.m., as we are 
heading back toward the Renaissance Center, the 
?mini-Marchers? will join the procession and 
we'll all march together toward the rally site at 
Rivard Plaza.  By 8:00 a.m. we will reach Rivard 
Plaza and the rally will begin.






Route description


1.      Gather at the Wintergarden entrance on 
Atwater Street.  Walk west on the south side of 
Atwater Street toward Renaissance Drive West.  Be 
aware of potential traffic on the north side of the street.
2.      Just after Bates Street (on your right), 
take a left back onto the RiverWalk.
3.      Follow the RiverWalk until passing Hart 
Plaza (on your right) and the Detroit Princess Riverboat (on your left).
4.      Return back to Atwater Street, which 
becomes Civic Center Drive.  Follow Civic Center Drive to Joe Louis Arena.
5.      At the intersection of 3rd Street and 
Civic Center Drive (with Joe Louis Arena on the 
right) make a left back onto the RiverWalk, and 
follow it back toward Hart Plaza.
6.      Take the cobblestone path that leads up to Hart Plaza.
7.      Go through Hart Plaza, past the fountain, 
and toward East Jefferson Avenue.
8.      Just before East Jefferson Avenue, follow 
the large concrete path to the right that crosses 
a dead-end street (to the Ford Auditorium on the 
right) and leads to Bates Street.
9.      Turn right onto Bates Street and continue southeast to Atwater Street.
Make a left back onto Atwater Street and follow 
it east, back toward the Renaissance Center.  We 
will then take the ramp to the RiverWalk.
10.  Continue east along the RiverWalk the short 
distance to Rivard Plaza for the rally.
11.  Join the rally at Rivard Plaza!





The Mini-March


For those who cannot walk the full 4 kilometer 
route (1 kilometer less than last year), there is 
a shorter route of approximately four 
blocks.  This mini-March will join the main 
procession as it passes back by the Renaissance 
Center on the way to the rally site.  To join the 
mini-March, please gather at 7:15 a.m. at the 
Wintergarden exit of the Renaissance Center.  We 
will take the ramp down to the RiverWalk.  If you 
choose to use the steps instead of the ramp to 
the RiverWalk, please note these steps are 
especially deep.  There will be ambassadors on 
hand to make sure mini-Marchers connect with the 
main procession at the right time.





The Rally Program


The rally will begin at approximately 8:00 a.m. 
at Rivard Plaza.  Water will be available at the 
rally site for all participants.  The rally 
program will include speeches by Dr. Maurer, 
Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, and Dave McCurdy 
of the Alliance of Automobile 
Manufacturers.  Three outstanding Imagination 
Fund grant programs will be featured, and be 
ready to dance in the streets when Martha Reeves 
performs some of her Motown hits. At about 8:45 
a.m., Dr. Maurer and other VIPs will lead the 
procession out of the plaza back to the 
Wintergarden.  Marchers should make their way to 
the opening of General Session in the Renaissance 
Ballroom on Level 4 by 9:30 a.m.  Be sure to stay 
for the entire rally?there are bound to be lots 
of surprises throughout the morning!





Transportation


Those with wheelchairs or special transportation 
needs should come to the Imagination Fund table 
during registration times to make sure their needs are met.


From mommaholly at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 03:12:57 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
Message-ID: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work.  
I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?
 
They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.  
 
I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.
 
They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.  
 
Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?
 
Holly
 
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From info at theblindtechsnetwork.com  Wed Jul  1 08:38:56 2009
From: info at theblindtechsnetwork.com (The BlindTechs Network)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:38:56 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <8D3142A7-AC66-40A9-A225-C90D7A9F53B2@theblindtechsnetwork.com>

why did you tell them you were blind?

What information would they need or gain by knowing you were blind.

I believe many blind people shoot themselves in the foot because they  
almost ware their blindness as a badge and they announce it in the  
most unappropriate situations.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357 (voice)
(206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)








On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work.
I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?

They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.

I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.

They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.

Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?

Holly

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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 14:42:59 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:42:59 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <8D3142A7-AC66-40A9-A225-C90D7A9F53B2@theblindtechsnetwork.com>
Message-ID: <002801c9fa5a$3d604610$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

My husband did it.  Since I am deaf I can't use the phone anymore.  He
said it without thinking mentioned something about the blind cane or
white cane or something cane.  Then theywere like she's blind?  And he
was like damn.  Then when they said tat bs about blind people don't know
where they are going etc he got pissed.

Holly

 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The BlindTechs
Network
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:39 AM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?


why did you tell them you were blind?

What information would they need or gain by knowing you were blind.

I believe many blind people shoot themselves in the foot because they  
almost ware their blindness as a badge and they announce it in the  
most unappropriate situations.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357 (voice)
(206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)








On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work. I called them and things took forever and they
never called me back. They have been wasting my time for a few weeks
now.  Today my husband called them to find out why we still have not
heard from them.  Ready?

They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.

I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.

They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.

Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?

Holly

  <outbind://37/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image004.gif>
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From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Wed Jul  1 15:03:45 2009
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <8D3142A7-AC66-40A9-A225-C90D7A9F53B2@theblindtechsnetwork.com>
References: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
	<8D3142A7-AC66-40A9-A225-C90D7A9F53B2@theblindtechsnetwork.com>
Message-ID: <001401c9fa5d$22c35920$684a0b60$@butterfly@comcast.net>

Because if you tell people ahead of time the scooter store just may realize
that giving her a touched screen control for her power chair is out of the
question.  I have gone to museums, Rock and Role Hall of Fame and many many
other places  calling head to get a guide that describes as much or as
little as I want.  My controlling what I want described gives me
independence.  I had a business meeting at a restaurant.  I called ahead as
they were not accessible.  Then they started describing how to come in
another way.  I said I was blind.  They said, no problem I will meet you.
There was no problem no embarrassment.  My dignity was of a first class
citizen all by calling ahead.

Now think out of the NFB box to realize it is in many cases to our
advantages to call ahead. 

Becky and my joy wheels  

 

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From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
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Network
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:39 AM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?

why did you tell them you were blind?

What information would they need or gain by knowing you were blind.

I believe many blind people shoot themselves in the foot because they  
almost ware their blindness as a badge and they announce it in the  
most unappropriate situations.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357 (voice)
(206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)








On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work.
I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?

They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.

I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.

They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.

Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?

Holly

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From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Wed Jul  1 15:14:31 2009
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:14:31 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <001501c9fa5e$a325e7d0$e971b770$@butterfly@comcast.net>

Call the Human Rights Commission (HRC) in your state.  Yes this sure is
discrimination.  If you want you can also get an advocate from a Center for
Independent Living to help you fill out the HRC forms.  

This is total crap that they make a moral judgement based on blindness.
Hopefully you will have no out of pocket expenses even for the extended
warrentee on your power chair, hint hint.  And they should throw in
accessories to customize your chair, hint hint.  Did I tell you I used to Be
an HRC Commissioner? 

Write down the name of who you spoke with,  times,  and the conversations
you had with the store.  Write them all down.  If your husband also was
witness to this, he should write his account.  
How many times and when did you call the store.  

Becky and my joy wheels 
  
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:13 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work.  
I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?
 
They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.  
 
I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.
 
They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.  
 
Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?
 
Holly
 
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Visit My Website
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From abletec at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:21:38 2009
From: abletec at gmail.com (Jackie McBride)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:21:38 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <-8845071212793858527@unknownmsgid>
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Is it discrimination? Yeah, of course. Here's what you're up against,
though, Holly. These folks advertise that if they prequalify u &
medicare or your insurance company denies your claim, they gotta give
u the chair--free. I think they suspect medicare or your insurance is
gonna deny the claim & they don't wanna eat the cost. I think they're
also afraid that if they give u a chair & u end up hurting yourself,
you're gonna sue 'em. Same oal garbage can stuff we've lived w/for
years.

B4 escallating, try talking w/a supervisor. If that doesn't work, then
consider filing a complaint both w/your state attorney general & the
federal office of civil rights that serves your region, as they
obviously receive medicare funding & should therefore fall under their
jurisdiction.

On 7/1/09, Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> wrote:
> Because if you tell people ahead of time the scooter store just may realize
> that giving her a touched screen control for her power chair is out of the
> question.  I have gone to museums, Rock and Role Hall of Fame and many many
> other places  calling head to get a guide that describes as much or as
> little as I want.  My controlling what I want described gives me
> independence.  I had a business meeting at a restaurant.  I called ahead as
> they were not accessible.  Then they started describing how to come in
> another way.  I said I was blind.  They said, no problem I will meet you.
> There was no problem no embarrassment.  My dignity was of a first class
> citizen all by calling ahead.
>
> Now think out of the NFB box to realize it is in many cases to our
> advantages to call ahead.
>
> Becky and my joy wheels
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The BlindTechs
> Network
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:39 AM
> To: Blind wheelchair users list
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
>
> why did you tell them you were blind?
>
> What information would they need or gain by knowing you were blind.
>
> I believe many blind people shoot themselves in the foot because they
> almost ware their blindness as a badge and they announce it in the
> most unappropriate situations.
> Gabe Vega
> CEO
> The BlindTechs Network
> www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
> 623-565-9357 (voice)
> (206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:
>
> Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
> chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
> did all of the work.
> I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
> They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
> called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?
>
> They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
> Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
> doors, walls or people.
>
> I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
> those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
> even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.
>
> They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
> them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
> find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
> specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.
>
> Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?
>
> Holly
>
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From info at theblindtechsnetwork.com  Wed Jul  1 17:33:11 2009
From: info at theblindtechsnetwork.com (The BlindTechs Network)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <001401c9fa5d$22c35920$684a0b60$@butterfly@comcast.net>
References: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
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first off I don't think in the NFB box because I'm not a member of  
either consumer group because I believe they are more hurtful to us  
than helpful to us.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
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On Jul 1, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Becky Frankeberger wrote:

Because if you tell people ahead of time the scooter store just may  
realize
that giving her a touched screen control for her power chair is out of  
the
question.  I have gone to museums, Rock and Role Hall of Fame and many  
many
other places  calling head to get a guide that describes as much or as
little as I want.  My controlling what I want described gives me
independence.  I had a business meeting at a restaurant.  I called  
ahead as
they were not accessible.  Then they started describing how to come in
another way.  I said I was blind.  They said, no problem I will meet  
you.
There was no problem no embarrassment.  My dignity was of a first class
citizen all by calling ahead.

Now think out of the NFB box to realize it is in many cases to our
advantages to call ahead.

Becky and my joy wheels



-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The BlindTechs
Network
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:39 AM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?

why did you tell them you were blind?

What information would they need or gain by knowing you were blind.

I believe many blind people shoot themselves in the foot because they
almost ware their blindness as a badge and they announce it in the
most unappropriate situations.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357 (voice)
(206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)








On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work.
I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?

They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.

I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.

They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.

Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?

Holly

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From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Wed Jul  1 19:10:50 2009
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
In-Reply-To: <4BFC2ABE-5DD6-4A57-A847-89E44A810E1E@theblindtechsnetwork.com>
References: <007301c9f9f9$dc3c1db0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>	<8D3142A7-AC66-40A9-A225-C90D7A9F53B2@theblindtechsnetwork.com>	<001401c9fa5d$22c35920$684a0b60$@butterfly@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <00f801c9fa7f$a6ad36d0$f407a470$@butterfly@comcast.net>

Unified advocacy has won many battles. On many issues both consumer groups
work hard and pull moneys where we alone could not. 

Here in WA when they wanted to close the Library for the blind it was the
NFB and ACB who pulled together lobbying our members of the House and
Senate, and held a rally on the steps of the Capitol.  I doubt alone I
couldn't have received such a victory. Trust me I am a very good advocate.

How have they hurt us. They are aloud to have differences.  Heck you and I
have differences.  That does not make you good and me bad.  We just talk
things over and learn from one another, smile.

Becky and my joy wheels 

    

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The BlindTechs
Network
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:33 AM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?

first off I don't think in the NFB box because I'm not a member of  
either consumer group because I believe they are more hurtful to us  
than helpful to us.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357 (voice)
(206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)








On Jul 1, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Becky Frankeberger wrote:

Because if you tell people ahead of time the scooter store just may  
realize
that giving her a touched screen control for her power chair is out of  
the
question.  I have gone to museums, Rock and Role Hall of Fame and many  
many
other places  calling head to get a guide that describes as much or as
little as I want.  My controlling what I want described gives me
independence.  I had a business meeting at a restaurant.  I called  
ahead as
they were not accessible.  Then they started describing how to come in
another way.  I said I was blind.  They said, no problem I will meet  
you.
There was no problem no embarrassment.  My dignity was of a first class
citizen all by calling ahead.

Now think out of the NFB box to realize it is in many cases to our
advantages to call ahead.

Becky and my joy wheels



-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The BlindTechs
Network
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:39 AM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?

why did you tell them you were blind?

What information would they need or gain by knowing you were blind.

I believe many blind people shoot themselves in the foot because they
almost ware their blindness as a badge and they announce it in the
most unappropriate situations.
Gabe Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357 (voice)
(206) 203-4400 (Fax Phone)








On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:

Hi All.  I talked to a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the work.
I called them and things took forever and they never called me back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from them.  Ready?

They said they could not give me or sell me a chair because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they could r un into
doors, walls or people.

I explained that we sort of use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs with power chairs.

They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me, me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind and turned it down.

Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue this?

Holly

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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Wed Jul  1 23:15:12 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:15:12 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] is this discrimination?
Message-ID: <c36.53d7c43a.377d4800@aol.com>

Holly....I am going to make a video demonstrating blind mobility...hold on  
for that.  My family is assisting.  It will just be a UTube  clip.  Also, 
if your doctor says electric wheelchair, the company  has a responsibility to 
sell you an electric wheelchair.  Now, whether  the state will pay for it 
is another issue. There is where I think they are  saying they won't sell it 
to you....the state may be hesitant to sell the chair  because of injuries.  
But ahhh, I had major injuries before I got the  chair!  I kept 
falling..hello?  They paid for mine by the way...just  fyi.  And blind association 
helped with the mobility training.  Be  your own advocate and I think Gabe is 
right....when talking of mobility...state  the issues that you require....firm 
back support, if your knees are bad....of  course you could not have a 
scooter because scooters are not good for mobility  because you can't use a 
guide cane.  Best wishes....deb
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2009 4:32:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com writes:

why did  you tell them you were blind?

What information would they need or gain  by knowing you were blind.

I believe many blind people shoot themselves  in the foot because they  
almost ware their blindness as a badge and  they announce it in the  
most unappropriate situations.
Gabe  Vega
CEO
The BlindTechs  Network
www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
623-565-9357  (voice)
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On  Jun 30, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Holly Alonzo wrote:

Hi All.  I talked to  a friend with a power chair.  She said she got her
chair from the  scooter store.  She suggested I call them because they
did all of the  work.
I called them and things took forever and they never called me  back.
They have been wasting my time for a few weeks now.  Today my  husband
called them to find out why we still have not heard from  them.  Ready?

They said they could not give me or sell me a chair  because I am blind.
Blind people can't tell where they are going and they  could r un into
doors, walls or people.

I explained that we sort of  use a cane to ensure that we don't run into
those things and several blind  people user power chairs and there are
even schools that train guide dogs  with power chairs.

They told me they weren't saying I couldn't get a  chair, just not with
them.  It was a moral decision and its their  choice.  They didn't even
find out which chair would be right for me,  me talk to a mobility
specialist, or anything.  They just heard blind  and turned it down.

Should I contact and ADA lawyer and pursue  this?

Holly

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Jul  2 10:32:39 2009
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:32:39 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] Presenting the 12TH Annual Mock Trial
Message-ID: <auto-000105823185@mailfront1.g2host.com>

PRESENTING THE 12TH ANNUAL MOCK TRIAL
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
Saturday, July 4th
Ambassador 1 Ballroom, level 3,
Marriott Renaissance Center
  4:30--6:00 p.m.

The National Association of Blind Lawyers is pleased to present the 
12TH Annual Mock Trial featuring the case of Malus v. Malus in the 
District Court for the State of Federation, County of Whoseit, the 
Honorable Charles S. Brown, Presiding.  This case pits a sighted 
father against a blind mother who are getting divorced and fighting 
over their three children.  Randy Malus, the sighted father, alleges 
that the blind are incapable of safely taking care of young 
children.  Angela Malus, the sighted mother, counter alleges that 
Randy is a dead beat dad who is incredibly irresponsible and that the 
children are far better off with her.  Shockingly, Angela's own 
mother, Melissa Love Joy, intends to testify on behalf of Randy 
Malus.  John Goodfellow, Angela's sighted neighbor, intends to tell 
the Court what a wonderful mom Angela is.  Experts on both sides will 
tell the Court with whom the children should be placed.  You the 
audience are the jury and will need to decide who is more competent 
to have custody of these three lovely children, ages 2, 4, and 
7.  All you have to do is pay your juror registration fee of $5.00 
and you can help decide this important case.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jul  6 15:02:02 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:02:02 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] NFB Convention Stream Available
Message-ID: <auto-000109162336@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Many of you have asked about watching and/or listening to a stream of 
the NFB national convention, now going on in Detroit.  There is a 
audio/video stream that is available when general sessions of the 
convention are in session.  I presume that it will also be available 
for the banquet.  The address is:

http://www.vbossengage.com/Engage/NFB/Index.aspx



David Andrews and white cane Harry.





From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jul  6 16:39:02 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] Updated Link for NFB Convention Stream
Message-ID: <auto-000106265668@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Earlier today I posted a link to listen/watch a live stream of the 
NFB convention, now going on in Detroit.  The link used an embedded 
Silverlight player that may not be accessible to all.

Below is a new link that uses your default media player.  We 
apologize for any problems that this has caused anybody.

http://vbricksys.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/vbricksys/58969/300_vbricksys-nfb_30241_090615.asx


Dave



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From djasister at windstream.net  Sat Jul 11 21:30:43 2009
From: djasister at windstream.net (Devona Abel)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:30:43 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] testing
Message-ID: <282FC652A418447EAEC75481EA2BF683@DGQ81V31>

testing

From mommaholly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 20:46:23 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:46:23 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
Message-ID: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go that,
what about stove and such.  Basically any modifications that needs to be
made.
 
Thanks,
 

Holly Alonzo

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I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

 

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.

 


From wickps at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 21:01:24 2009
From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:01:24 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <b900bbee0907161401v64d915bdp722b5240d1cac0a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up)
is determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot
of rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope
this helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
> needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go that,
> what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that needs to be
> made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. ?I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 21:08:53 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:08:53 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
	<b900bbee0907161401v64d915bdp722b5240d1cac0a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B20D42ADC0C45FFBBF63BC55AAB1810@Gateway>

Hi Holly,

The state paid for my ramp...they had to come and do measurements so that 
the ramp would be "up to code." Perhaps you could contact a state agency or 
non-prophit to help you with that...payment etc.

I can't give you any advice with anything else because there's nothing else 
in my house that is accessible...I can't wait until I get my accessible 
apartment.

Jen

Shop my AVON online store
http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com

Get healthy!
http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com

Contact me:

Jennifer Aberdeen
PO Box 1184
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-762-3258 (home)
401-644-5607 (cell)
freespirit328 at gmail.com
SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Wick" <wickps at gmail.com>
To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up)
is determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot
of rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope
this helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
> needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go that,
> what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that needs to be
> made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 21:14:23 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <4B20D42ADC0C45FFBBF63BC55AAB1810@Gateway>
Message-ID: <004401ca065a$67a80b90$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Thanks for that .  I'll give the state a call.  Doc will prescribe a
power wc and I told him about the scooter store and he said he will call
them himself and if they still won't do it then he'll just get it from
somewhere else.  lol

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

The state paid for my ramp...they had to come and do measurements so
that 
the ramp would be "up to code." Perhaps you could contact a state agency
or 
non-prophit to help you with that...payment etc.

I can't give you any advice with anything else because there's nothing
else 
in my house that is accessible...I can't wait until I get my accessible 
apartment.

Jen

Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com

Get healthy!
http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com

Contact me:

Jennifer Aberdeen
PO Box 1184
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-762-3258 (home)
401-644-5607 (cell)
freespirit328 at gmail.com
SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Wick" <wickps at gmail.com>
To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never

> needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go that, 
> what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that needs to 
> be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on solid

> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. 
> I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen 
> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Blind-rollers at nfbnet.org 
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu Jul 16 21:49:27 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAK1cEEZ+or1Hl9rzkmlluLoBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>

Holly,

We modified our house for my wife who uses a chair.  We did everything from
putting in ramps to rebuilding the kitchen and master bathroom.
Modifications depend on the needs of the individual.  For example does the
person stand or walk at all?  Will they plan to be doing any cooking or
simply need access to the kitchen for visiting or refrigerator raiding and
such?

There are many issues regarding modifying a building for wheelchair use.
One method does not fit all.

There are, as someone else pointed out, grants which may also be available
to help.

In short, the needs of the individual will determine how and what you
modify, or at least what you modify first.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:46 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go that,
what about stove and such.  Basically any modifications that needs to be
made.
 
Thanks,
 

Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

  <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg> 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

 

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 

booksales at hollyalonzo.com 

and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

 

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

 

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.

 
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From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 16 21:52:18 2009
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (tribble)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <004401ca065a$67a80b90$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <436ADD4BF478448386C25367C826E883@bassclef>

One thing about ramps, especial for those of us who are blind: it should 
have banks on the sides so you don't accidently roll off the edge.
I had a ramp put into my garage when we lived in NC and it was rather 
long -- the rise was only maybe 1 foot but the ramp was a couple of yards. I 
think the 1ft ramp to 1ft rise is way too steep. There are usually codes 
specifying what is appropriate in your state for accessible housing.
Our house now in Minnesota doesn't need a ramp. (Yay!!!)  As for ovens, you 
need to get one with the controls in front of the burners instead of behind. 
I think only GE makes these any more, but I'm not sure. We have one.  My 
mother doesn't like doing business with GE because of their dealings with 
Iran, but in a global economy you can't always control how people do 
business.

As for doorways, I think 30 inches is wide enough for most wheelchairs.  You 
should get on the internet and check for the building codes for 508 
compliant housing.
Of course, you can do whatever you want with your own home, but if you go to 
sell it it is nice to be able to say it is code compliant.

Caveat: Grumble, grumble -- sometimes codes are not what they're cut out to 
be -- the builder who built the home my Mom and I are living in now insisted 
I could get around as it was all "code" -- that word. The door on the 
bathroom made it impossible for me to get on the toilet and the grab bars 
were all in the wrong places for my needs.  He meant well and I appreciated 
he tried to take care of things -- he was quite proud of the house -- but 
the first thing I did was have the bathroom door removed in my bathroom and 
a screen put up for privacy.
My mother thinks this is unacceptable and wants to put the door back on 
swinging the opposite direction, but that is wrong as well, so for the time 
being I am living with the screen as the best solution.

Oh, and another pet peeve -- the builder put the circuit breaker box way up 
by the ceiling where a normal person would have to get on a ladder to access 
it.  I asked him why he hadn't put it down where I could reach it as this 
was supposed to be an accessible house.  He couldn't understand why I would 
want such a thing when I could just get someone else to deal with the 
breakers.

Oh well.  2 steps forward and 3 steps back.

Good luck with your house.
--le


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Thanks for that .  I'll give the state a call.  Doc will prescribe a
power wc and I told him about the scooter store and he said he will call
them himself and if they still won't do it then he'll just get it from
somewhere else.  lol

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

The state paid for my ramp...they had to come and do measurements so
that
the ramp would be "up to code." Perhaps you could contact a state agency
or
non-prophit to help you with that...payment etc.

I can't give you any advice with anything else because there's nothing
else
in my house that is accessible...I can't wait until I get my accessible
apartment.

Jen

Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com

Get healthy!
http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com

Contact me:

Jennifer Aberdeen
PO Box 1184
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-762-3258 (home)
401-644-5607 (cell)
freespirit328 at gmail.com
SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Wick" <wickps at gmail.com>
To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never

> needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go that,
> what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that needs to
> be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on solid

> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.
> I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Thu Jul 16 22:01:44 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:01:44 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
Message-ID: <cd7.572946d9.3790fd48@aol.com>


_How to  Make Simple Wheelchair Accessibility Modifications to Your Home | 
eHow.com_ (http://www.ehow.com/how_4889_make-simple-wheelchair.html)  
 
Holly, I sent you the above link that gives a lot of helpful conversions to 
 your home. 
 
There are programs out there to assist in financing some of these  
conversions if you qualify.  Just the suggestion of putting a string on the  door 
knobs listed in the article I linked you above is a practical start.   My cats 
love it too lol.  
My church put my first ramp in...and they changed my kitchen over by taking 
 the cabinet doors and kickplate out from under sink and stove.  Both are  
open underneath.  I have a wall oven and they dropped that cuz I love to  
cook and they wanted to continue to get baked goodies at church haha.   Front 
load washer/dryers are better to access.  Luckily, I have an  aide  three 
hours a day who starts and switches laundry and brings me  clothes to fold cuz 
I love folding clothes too because I still have top loader  washer.  I 
thought a side by side freezer would be better then top  freezer refrigerator 
and I found there was not much storage in the side by side  freezer.  I just 
got my roll-in accessible shower but the seat is not here  yet.  When I get 
it...I will post a picture for families that are thinking  of installing them 
for us.  It has a slide up and down shower bar that is  approx 3-5 feet 
pipe running up and down in the middle of the 4x6 shower so  I can use the 
handheld shower myself.  The regular shower attachment  is still to the left 
above the knobs for others in my family but I have my own  special unit to 
adjust the shower flow etc.  You would not believe how  wonderful it was to take 
a regular shower after 2 yrs of sponge baths.
Only thing I would do different is drop my kitchen sink about 4 inches if I 
 had a choice and at least part of a countertop near the sink for prep  
area.  I use a shorter table in kitchen to prep though.  Blind  association 
marked my burners with puff paint when I was first learning to use  the surface 
range.  Make a list of what is most important to you and then  perhaps 
check local agencies to find out what monies are available.  A ramp  is essent
ial and transitional strips in your house.  Good luck.   deb
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2009 4:07:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Hi  all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for  a
wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I  never
needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?   Ramps,go that,
what about stove and such.  Basically any modifications  that needs to be
made.

Thanks,


Holly  Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>  

<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg> 
You can  get a copy of my book online at  
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If you would rather  Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to  

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and request a copy.  A payment  method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for  you.



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white paper with 14 point font, easier for low  vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for  those using screen readers.
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 22:32:12 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <b900bbee0907161401v64d915bdp722b5240d1cac0a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01ca0665$45efafc0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu Jul 16 22:36:52 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:36:52 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <004f01ca0665$45efafc0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <b900bbee0907161401v64d915bdp722b5240d1cac0a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<004f01ca0665$45efafc0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAHX42uCpXyNGiB8crVyRWRMBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>

Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you might
wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lauraeaves at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 16 22:40:54 2009
From: lauraeaves at yahoo.com (tribble)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAK1cEEZ+or1Hl9rzkmlluLoBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
Message-ID: <03F3EE23540A48F489BA0DF8B8C5DE65@bassclef>

Yes, individuality rules -- I am thinking of my condo in NC which was just 
down the street from my friend's condo, where my friend was in an power 
chair and could see -- in fact she could drive.  She did not need low 
cupboards and countertops in her kitchen because her power chair had a seat 
that would elevate her to whatever height she needed.  Now I use a manual 
chair and am able to stand up, with effort, and it sure would be nice to 
have more low counterspace!
But lowering counterspace will actually reduce the value of your property if 
you go to sell as most people don't need or want them.
I had a low counter and cupboards in one corner of the kitchen, and the rest 
of the kitchen was standard. Our current kitchen is not adapted at all 
except for a very small counter the height of a dining table.

One other thing we did for this house was to include plenty of electrical 
outlets and put them in the middle of the wall instead of down near the 
floor.  I can't tell you how nice it ic for both me and my Mom to not have 
to crawl under furniture to get to an outlet.

Have fun.
--le




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Holly,

We modified our house for my wife who uses a chair.  We did everything from
putting in ramps to rebuilding the kitchen and master bathroom.
Modifications depend on the needs of the individual.  For example does the
person stand or walk at all?  Will they plan to be doing any cooking or
simply need access to the kitchen for visiting or refrigerator raiding and
such?

There are many issues regarding modifying a building for wheelchair use.
One method does not fit all.

There are, as someone else pointed out, grants which may also be available
to help.

In short, the needs of the individual will determine how and what you
modify, or at least what you modify first.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:46 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go that,
what about stove and such.  Basically any modifications that needs to be
made.

Thanks,


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>

  <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo



If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to

booksales at hollyalonzo.com

and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.



I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.



All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 22:48:21 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:48:21 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAHX42uCpXyNGiB8crVyRWRMBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
Message-ID: <005701ca0667$87ac3ad0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-rollers mailing list
> Blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 22:51:55 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAK1cEEZ+or1Hl9rzkmlluLoBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
Message-ID: <005801ca0668$05c3bd80$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

This is off topic.  But are you the same person That I remember from GDB
class you and your guide at the time got out of the twin towers alive?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:49 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Holly,

We modified our house for my wife who uses a chair.  We did everything
from putting in ramps to rebuilding the kitchen and master bathroom.
Modifications depend on the needs of the individual.  For example does
the person stand or walk at all?  Will they plan to be doing any cooking
or simply need access to the kitchen for visiting or refrigerator
raiding and such?

There are many issues regarding modifying a building for wheelchair use.
One method does not fit all.

There are, as someone else pointed out, grants which may also be
available to help.

In short, the needs of the individual will determine how and what you
modify, or at least what you modify first.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:46 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go that,
what about stove and such.  Basically any modifications that needs to be
made.
 
Thanks,
 

Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

  <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg> 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

 

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 

booksales at hollyalonzo.com 

and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

 

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

 

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From mhingson at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 16 23:00:12 2009
From: mhingson at sbcglobal.net (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
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References: <003701ca0656$7c63a660$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAK1cEEZ+or1Hl9rzkmlluLoBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
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Actually lowered counters may be a valuable commodity in some cases.  We
sold a house in New Jersey where all counters had been lowered to 33 inches.
The people who bought the house were both short and loved the lower
counters.

The point is that all decisions are individual ones.  However, do something
which makes sense.  A 45 degree ramp is not usuable by most people.  A 24
foot ramp to go up two feet also may be going a bit far the other way.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tribble
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:41 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Yes, individuality rules -- I am thinking of my condo in NC which was just 
down the street from my friend's condo, where my friend was in an power 
chair and could see -- in fact she could drive.  She did not need low 
cupboards and countertops in her kitchen because her power chair had a seat 
that would elevate her to whatever height she needed.  Now I use a manual 
chair and am able to stand up, with effort, and it sure would be nice to 
have more low counterspace!
But lowering counterspace will actually reduce the value of your property if

you go to sell as most people don't need or want them.
I had a low counter and cupboards in one corner of the kitchen, and the rest

of the kitchen was standard. Our current kitchen is not adapted at all 
except for a very small counter the height of a dining table.

One other thing we did for this house was to include plenty of electrical 
outlets and put them in the middle of the wall instead of down near the 
floor.  I can't tell you how nice it ic for both me and my Mom to not have 
to crawl under furniture to get to an outlet.

Have fun.
--le




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To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Holly,

We modified our house for my wife who uses a chair.  We did everything from
putting in ramps to rebuilding the kitchen and master bathroom.
Modifications depend on the needs of the individual.  For example does the
person stand or walk at all?  Will they plan to be doing any cooking or
simply need access to the kitchen for visiting or refrigerator raiding and
such?

There are many issues regarding modifying a building for wheelchair use.
One method does not fit all.

There are, as someone else pointed out, grants which may also be available
to help.

In short, the needs of the individual will determine how and what you
modify, or at least what you modify first.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:46 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I never
needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go that,
what about stove and such.  Basically any modifications that needs to be
made.

Thanks,


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>

  <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo



If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to

booksales at hollyalonzo.com

and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.



I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.



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From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Thu Jul 16 23:47:50 2009
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
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A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of building
homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.  This
movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when you are
building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had a six inch
step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six foot ramp that
looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to pop my
front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our doorways
wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our bedroom.  I
transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I have fixed grab
bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has nobs on the front.
My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge of the counter. In our
home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches high. By my computer desk
and knitting machines I have a wooden temporary floor, which one day I want
perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower the
power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend who put
plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 23:55:47 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:55:47 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <005701ca0667$87ac3ad0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <88CD92FCA4D64125A1785534DC03ED53@Gateway>

Yes, it would.

I had such a ramp that was built by a friend of the family's for me. I could 
not safely go up or down that ramp. When the state came in to evaluate it, 
they told me that ramp was "illiegal." It must meet ADA codes.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I
> never needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go
> that, what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
> read. I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 00:54:47 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <00df01ca066f$d66043d0$8320cb70$@butterfly@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001201ca0679$315fc590$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

24 feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Fri Jul 17 02:56:50 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:56:50 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
Message-ID: <c3c.5bdd641e.37914272@aol.com>

mine at back door turns around the corner of my house and has a platform so 
 its not such a long run. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/16/2009 8:12:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

24  feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because  I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly  Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at  
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book  directly from me.  You may send an
email to  
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.


-----Original Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48  PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty  four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I  like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This  is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility  on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was  not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy  putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal  sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were  in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to  go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider  to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another  wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the  toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My  microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our  home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk  and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want  perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit  you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make  corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet  on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking  about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels  


-----Original Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To:  'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a  foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely  steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of  my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would  rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to  
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.


-----Original Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To:  'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every  foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope,  but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when  constructing modifications.

The Michael Hingson  Group
?Speaking with  Vision?
Michael  Hingson, President
(415)  827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new  KNFB Reader Mobile,  visit:
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-----Original  Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To:  'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a  porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just  clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a  copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you  would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to  
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.


-----Original Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind  wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs  depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab  bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair  for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of  space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to  reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is  should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46  PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
>  wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I  
> never needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such.  Basically any  modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
>  www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
>  <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
>  You can get a copy of my book online at 
>  http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you  would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an 
>  email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request  a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do 
>  whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy  and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on 
> solid white paper  with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read.  I  also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

>  readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is  $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go  toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant.  Please  support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 03:14:09 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:14:09 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <c3c.5bdd641e.37914272@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3CD3D2F50C2F489C89B845DFE8F2DEB2@Gateway>

Mine is 28 inches long. There isn't enought land before the road, so it goes 
eight inches to the right, and then turns the other way and goes twenty 
inches to the left. It's an eye sore, but it's legal.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <AgapeDEW at aol.com>
To: <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


> mine at back door turns around the corner of my house and has a platform 
> so
> its not such a long run.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/16/2009 8:12:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mommaholly at gmail.com writes:
>
> 24  feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because  I
> don't think it's that far to the driveway.
>
> Holly  Alonzo
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather Order a book  directly from me.  You may send an
> email to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
> white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48  PM
> To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.
>
>
> A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty  four feet. For a power
> chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I  like the movement of
> building homes with visitability in mind.  This  is a marvelous movement.
> This movement says to build in the accessibility  on the front end when
> you are building the home.  .  Our home was  not built like this.  We had
> a six inch step, so we had the guy  putting in our driveway build a six
> foot ramp that looks like just a normal  sidewalk to the deck.
>
> My entry way is not accessible if I were  in a power chair.  I have to
> pop my front wheels up like two inches to  go into my home. We made our
> doorways wider.  We have a stair glider  to take us up the stairs to our
> bedroom.  I transfer to another  wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
> have fixed grab bars by the  toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
> nobs on the front. My  microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
> of the counter. In our  home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
> high. By my computer desk  and knitting machines I have a wooden
> temporary floor, which one day I want  perminant.
>
> Mike is right in that you need features that will fit  you.  The narrower
> the power chair the better you can make  corners.  I had a dear friend
> who put plexi glass the lower threefeet  on her walls in the hallways.
>
> Big hugs,
>
> Great you are thinking  about this before you move, hugs.
>
> Becky and my joy wheels
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
> To:  'Blind wheelchair users list'
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.
>
> If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a  foot drop off with
> a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely  steep?
>
> Holly Alonzo
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> You can get a copy of  my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would  rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
> email to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
> white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
> To:  'Blind wheelchair users list'
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.
>
>
> Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every  foot.  Of course, a
> private home may not need that gradual a slope,  but remember that you
> might wish to consider the resale value when  constructing modifications.
>
> The Michael Hingson  Group
> ?Speaking with  Vision?
> Michael  Hingson, President
> (415)  827-4084
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>
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> -----Original  Message-----
> From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
> To:  'Blind wheelchair users list'
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.
>
> Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a  porch is 2 feet off of the
> ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just  clarifying.
>
> Holly Alonzo
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> You can get a  copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you  would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
> email to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
> white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Paul Wick
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
> To: Blind  wheelchair users list
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers]  modifications.
>
>
> Hi Holly,
>
> What modifications your house needs  depends on the specific needs of
> your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab  bars than someone who is a
> quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair  for the doorways. The
> slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of  space it takes up) is
> determined by the height that you are trying to  reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
> rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is  should be. Hope this
> helps.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46  PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi all.  Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
>>  wheelchair?  This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I
>> never needed in the past.  How wide do doorways need to be?  Ramps,go
>> that, what about stove and such.  Basically any  modifications that
>> needs to be made.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Holly Alonzo
>>
>>  www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>>
>>  <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
>>  You can get a copy of my book online at
>>  http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>>
>>
>>
>> If you  would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
>>  email to
>>
>> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>>
>> and request  a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
>>  whatever is best for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a print copy  and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on
>> solid white paper  with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
>> read.  I  also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
>
>>  readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is  $7.
>>
>>
>>
>> All profits from books sales will go  toward funding for the Auditory
>> Brainstem Implant.  Please  support and buy a book if you can.
>>
>>
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From b.butterfly at comcast.net  Fri Jul 17 03:30:05 2009
From: b.butterfly at comcast.net (Becky Frankeberger)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:30:05 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <001201ca0679$315fc590$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <00df01ca066f$d66043d0$8320cb70$@butterfly@comcast.net>
	<001201ca0679$315fc590$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <000001ca068e$e101ba70$a3052f50$@butterfly@comcast.net>

Generally ramps are not straight, unless along side a sidewalk or driveway.
They may go ten feet then have a landing to make a 90 degree turn or 180
degree turn, whatever makes sense with the landscape. then down ten feet to
another landing.  Sometimes you can build one into your landscape with
cement or bricks, as well as treated wood.

Becky and my joy wheels     

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:55 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

24 feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Fri Jul 17 03:53:23 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:53:23 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <001201ca0679$315fc590$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
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Again, you don't need it that long so long as either you can push a manual
chair or you use a power chair and can handle a steeper ramp.  Is balance an
issue for you?

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:55 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

24 feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
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> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Fri Jul 17 03:56:55 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:56:55 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
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One inch of rise for every foot of ramp.  Also, the ADA code is not
absolutely required for a house, but there is wisdom in attempting to meet
it or come as close as possible.

We have a ramp which allows Karen to visit all parts of our back yard.  It
winds around part of the yard and has become an integral part of the
landscape.  In total it drops more than five feet.  There are ways to do
this in most places.

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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:56 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Yes, it would.

I had such a ramp that was built by a friend of the family's for me. I could

not safely go up or down that ramp. When the state came in to evaluate it, 
they told me that ramp was "illiegal." It must meet ADA codes.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
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Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
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and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I
> never needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go
> that, what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
> read. I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 04:00:12 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:00:12 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
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Message-ID: <001a01ca0693$17de8a60$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Balance is a huge issue.  That's why I'm going to a chair.  Keep falling
I have tumor on my nerve that controls hearing and balance.  My
vistibular system is wack right now.

Holly Alonzo
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You can get a copy of my book online at 
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If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
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and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
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Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Again, you don't need it that long so long as either you can push a
manual chair or you use a power chair and can handle a steeper ramp.  Is
balance an issue for you?

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:55 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

24 feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly Alonzo
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You can get a copy of my book online at 
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also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 04:17:09 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:17:09 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <005701ca0667$87ac3ad0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo><88CD92FCA4D64125A1785534DC03ED53@Gateway>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAF6iBCdiZKBHvzxNGq2arrsBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
Message-ID: <E97459D21BEB4384A02254F82ADF737C@Gateway>

Oh wow, I was told it was a must in Rhode Island. When I first had the short 
ramp, a cop came to the door and said we had an illegal ramp. My mother 
looked at him and said, "how do you suppose my daughter get out of the house 
then?" They never bothered us again...well until the state came in.

Oh well, it's water under the bridge now :)

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


One inch of rise for every foot of ramp.  Also, the ADA code is not
absolutely required for a house, but there is wisdom in attempting to meet
it or come as close as possible.

We have a ramp which allows Karen to visit all parts of our back yard.  It
winds around part of the yard and has become an integral part of the
landscape.  In total it drops more than five feet.  There are ways to do
this in most places.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:56 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Yes, it would.

I had such a ramp that was built by a friend of the family's for me. I could

not safely go up or down that ramp. When the state came in to evaluate it,
they told me that ramp was "illiegal." It must meet ADA codes.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
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If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
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and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I
> never needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go
> that, what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
> read. I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Fri Jul 17 05:16:35 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:16:35 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <E97459D21BEB4384A02254F82ADF737C@Gateway>
References: <005701ca0667$87ac3ad0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo><88CD92FCA4D64125A1785534DC03ED53@Gateway>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAF6iBCdiZKBHvzxNGq2arrsBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
	<E97459D21BEB4384A02254F82ADF737C@Gateway>
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Or is it water under the ramp?  (grin)

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:17 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Oh wow, I was told it was a must in Rhode Island. When I first had the short

ramp, a cop came to the door and said we had an illegal ramp. My mother 
looked at him and said, "how do you suppose my daughter get out of the house

then?" They never bothered us again...well until the state came in.

Oh well, it's water under the bridge now :)

Jen

Shop my AVON online store
http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com

Get healthy!
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Contact me:

Jennifer Aberdeen
PO Box 1184
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-762-3258 (home)
401-644-5607 (cell)
freespirit328 at gmail.com
SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


One inch of rise for every foot of ramp.  Also, the ADA code is not
absolutely required for a house, but there is wisdom in attempting to meet
it or come as close as possible.

We have a ramp which allows Karen to visit all parts of our back yard.  It
winds around part of the yard and has become an integral part of the
landscape.  In total it drops more than five feet.  There are ways to do
this in most places.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:56 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Yes, it would.

I had such a ramp that was built by a friend of the family's for me. I could

not safely go up or down that ramp. When the state came in to evaluate it,
they told me that ramp was "illiegal." It must meet ADA codes.

Jen

Shop my AVON online store
http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com

Get healthy!
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Contact me:

Jennifer Aberdeen
PO Box 1184
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-762-3258 (home)
401-644-5607 (cell)
freespirit328 at gmail.com
SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The Michael Hingson Group
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com

You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I
> never needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go
> that, what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> <outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. A payment method can be arranged. I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
> read. I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Fri Jul 17 05:17:41 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:17:41 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca0693$17de8a60$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAAWeeN01mZdGnZ1+BGa0etwBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
	<001a01ca0693$17de8a60$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>
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Then remember the steeper the ramp the more you will tend to lean forward
while going down.  The more gradual the ramp the better the chance you will
have of maintaining balance.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:00 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Balance is a huge issue.  That's why I'm going to a chair.  Keep falling
I have tumor on my nerve that controls hearing and balance.  My
vistibular system is wack right now.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Again, you don't need it that long so long as either you can push a
manual chair or you use a power chair and can handle a steeper ramp.  Is
balance an issue for you?

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:55 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

24 feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 11:33:21 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:33:21 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAALDicq6BiPFDpayg9V4zUWkBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
Message-ID: <002501ca06d2$64b96190$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Thanks for that tip.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:18 AM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Then remember the steeper the ramp the more you will tend to lean
forward while going down.  The more gradual the ramp the better the
chance you will have of maintaining balance.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:00 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Balance is a huge issue.  That's why I'm going to a chair.  Keep falling
I have tumor on my nerve that controls hearing and balance.  My
vistibular system is wack right now.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Again, you don't need it that long so long as either you can push a
manual chair or you use a power chair and can handle a steeper ramp.  Is
balance an issue for you?

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:55 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

24 feet?  Wow.  So how in the world will I get off my porch because I
don't think it's that far to the driveway.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
Frankeberger
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


A two foot high deck would need a wramp of twenty four feet. For a power
chair it can be steeper by a few feet less.  I like the movement of
building homes with visitability in mind.  This is a marvelous movement.
This movement says to build in the accessibility on the front end when
you are building the home.  .  Our home was not built like this.  We had
a six inch step, so we had the guy putting in our driveway build a six
foot ramp that looks like just a normal sidewalk to the deck.  

My entry way is not accessible if I were in a power chair.  I have to
pop my front wheels up like two inches to go into my home. We made our
doorways wider.  We have a stair glider to take us up the stairs to our
bedroom.  I transfer to another wheelchair at the top of my steps.  I
have fixed grab bars by the toilet and bathtub and shower.  My stove has
nobs on the front. My microwave talks and is pushed closer to the edge
of the counter. In our home our toilets are sixteen or seventeen inches
high. By my computer desk and knitting machines I have a wooden
temporary floor, which one day I want perminant. 

Mike is right in that you need features that will fit you.  The narrower
the power chair the better you can make corners.  I had a dear friend
who put plexi glass the lower threefeet on her walls in the hallways. 

Big hugs,

Great you are thinking about this before you move, hugs.

Becky and my joy wheels 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:48 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

The?Michael Hingson Group
???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com





-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

Holly Alonzo
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
You can get a copy of my book online at 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to 
booksales at hollyalonzo.com 
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. ?Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a 
> wheelchair? ?This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I 
> never needed in the past. ?How wide do doorways need to be? ?Ramps,go 
> that, what about stove and such. ?Basically any modifications that 
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?<outbind://18/Never%20Giving%20Up%20Hope_files/image002.jpg>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an 
> email to
>
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
>
> and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do 
> whatever is best for you.
>
>
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers. Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
>
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 02:52:31 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:52:31 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] modifications.
References: <005701ca0667$87ac3ad0$2b01a8c0@hollyalonzo><88CD92FCA4D64125A1785534DC03ED53@Gateway>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIK7leeaPJ1OobEJujjsR6nCgAAAEAAAAF6iBCdiZKBHvzxNGq2arrsBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com><E97459D21BEB4384A02254F82ADF737C@Gateway>
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Message-ID: <6FD433AA65454D1E9AF89D143C34E437@Gateway>

LOL, that too.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Or is it water under the ramp?  (grin)

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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:17 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Oh wow, I was told it was a must in Rhode Island. When I first had the short

ramp, a cop came to the door and said we had an illegal ramp. My mother
looked at him and said, "how do you suppose my daughter get out of the house

then?" They never bothered us again...well until the state came in.

Oh well, it's water under the bridge now :)

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


One inch of rise for every foot of ramp.  Also, the ADA code is not
absolutely required for a house, but there is wisdom in attempting to meet
it or come as close as possible.

We have a ramp which allows Karen to visit all parts of our back yard.  It
winds around part of the yard and has become an integral part of the
landscape.  In total it drops more than five feet.  There are ways to do
this in most places.

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:56 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Yes, it would.

I had such a ramp that was built by a friend of the family's for me. I could

not safely go up or down that ramp. When the state came in to evaluate it,
they told me that ramp was "illiegal." It must meet ADA codes.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


If it's one inch to every foot then you would have a foot drop off with
a inch long ramp.  Wouldn't that be extremely steep?

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Actually, the code for ramps is one inch for every foot.  Of course, a
private home may not need that gradual a slope, but remember that you
might wish to consider the resale value when constructing modifications.

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Holly Alonzo
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:32 PM
To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.

Hi Paul, thanks.  For this info.  So if a porch is 2 feet off of the
ground, you need two feet of ramp?  just clarifying.

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] modifications.


Hi Holly,

What modifications your house needs depends on the specific needs of
your disability. (e.g. I use fewer grab bars than someone who is a
quad)Just measure the wheelbase of your chair for the doorways. The
slope of the ramp (and consequently the amount of space it takes up) is
determined by the height that you are trying to reach. (e.g. 1 foot of
rise for every one foot of ramp is the steepest is should be. Hope this
helps.

Paul

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all. Can you tell me what needs to be modified I in a house for a
> wheelchair? This house has no wheelchair accessibility because I
> never needed in the past. How wide do doorways need to be? Ramps,go
> that, what about stove and such. Basically any modifications that
> needs to be made.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 15:06:12 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:06:12 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get your chair?
Message-ID: <000001ca094b$a078f800$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Hi all.  I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.  I
called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my husband
told me about it too late.  
 
She told me that they couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
paperwork or application it asks is the patient blind.  If you say yes,
they will not give them a chair.  If you say no the doctor is lying.
 
I told her I knew several people that were blind and had a power chair,
so she told me to ask yall where to get it.  What places will give a
chair to a blind person?  Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
the form that is filled out by the doctor.  I need help, where do I go
to get a power chair?
 

Holly Alonzo

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From djasister at windstream.net  Mon Jul 20 16:05:08 2009
From: djasister at windstream.net (Devona Abel)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:05:08 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get your
	chair?
References: <000001ca094b$a078f800$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <9B4DE92BA1B24A0A90A323EFE30021EA@DGQ81V31>

Buy it second hand.

That way they cannot tell you cannot have it!

Devona
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Holly Alonzo 
  To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:06 AM
  Subject: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get your chair?


  Hi all.  I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.  I
  called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my husband
  told me about it too late.  
   
  She told me that they couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
  paperwork or application it asks is the patient blind.  If you say yes,
  they will not give them a chair.  If you say no the doctor is lying.
   
  I told her I knew several people that were blind and had a power chair,
  so she told me to ask yall where to get it.  What places will give a
  chair to a blind person?  Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
  the form that is filled out by the doctor.  I need help, where do I go
  to get a power chair?
   

  Holly Alonzo

  www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

   Holly book cover thumbnail
  <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
  nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope

   You can get a copy of my book online at
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  If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
  to
  booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment method can be
  arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

  I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
  white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
  also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.

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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Mon Jul 20 17:27:11 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:27:11 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get your
	chair?
Message-ID: <ced.5dfa43fc.379602ef@aol.com>

where are u at, Holly?  I got mine locally from a company but they  like to 
service their chairs so am not sure they would just deliver you one  
without you coming in and being comfortable with the different choices.   They 
also have come out and picked it up for service, etc.  If you tell me  what 
city you closest to, I can have the mobility specialist look at his  supplier 
list and get you a local dealer.  Or you could call him yourself  and ask him 
where to get the chair.  
 
 
In a message dated 7/20/2009 11:25:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Hi  all.  I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.   I
called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my  husband
told me about it too late.  

She told me that they  couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
paperwork or application  it asks is the patient blind.  If you say yes,
they will not give them  a chair.  If you say no the doctor is lying.

I told her I knew  several people that were blind and had a power chair,
so she told me to ask  yall where to get it.  What places will give a
chair to a blind  person?  Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
the form that  is filled out by the doctor.  I need help, where do I go
to get a  power chair?


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

Holly book cover  thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
nail.jpg>  Never Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book online  at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an  email
to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment  method can be
arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on  solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to  read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.

Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 18:09:16 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get
	yourchair?
In-Reply-To: <ced.5dfa43fc.379602ef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01ca0965$34253140$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Jonesboro, AR.  The doctor didn't hand me a prescription for a chair,
just said that his nurse would fill out the paperwork.  So if I have the
prescription, do I Just take it to a vender?  Dealer, or what?  

 
Holly Alonzo
 
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
 
You can get a copy of my book online at
 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have
accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
 
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AgapeDEW at aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:27 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get
yourchair?


where are u at, Holly?  I got mine locally from a company but they  like
to 
service their chairs so am not sure they would just deliver you one  
without you coming in and being comfortable with the different choices.
They 
also have come out and picked it up for service, etc.  If you tell me
what 
city you closest to, I can have the mobility specialist look at his
supplier 
list and get you a local dealer.  Or you could call him yourself  and
ask him 
where to get the chair.  
 
 
In a message dated 7/20/2009 11:25:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Hi  all.  I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.
I
called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my  husband
told me about it too late.  

She told me that they  couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
paperwork or application  it asks is the patient blind.  If you say yes,
they will not give them  a chair.  If you say no the doctor is lying.

I told her I knew  several people that were blind and had a power chair,
so she told me to ask  yall where to get it.  What places will give a
chair to a blind  person?  Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
the form that  is filled out by the doctor.  I need help, where do I go
to get a  power chair?


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

Holly book cover  thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
nail.jpg>  Never Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book online  at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an
email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment
method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on
solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
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From djasister at windstream.net  Mon Jul 20 18:32:13 2009
From: djasister at windstream.net (Devona Abel)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:32:13 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] [SPAM] Re: here we go again. Where did you all
	get	yourchair?
References: <003a01ca0965$34253140$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <DBF9BD13468746CE8BB51AE05662960A@DGQ81V31>

Yes.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Holly Alonzo 
  To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' 
  Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:09 PM
  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get yourchair?


  Jonesboro, AR.  The doctor didn't hand me a prescription for a chair,
  just said that his nurse would fill out the paperwork.  So if I have the
  prescription, do I Just take it to a vender?  Dealer, or what?  

   
  Holly Alonzo
   
  www.hollyalonzo.com
   
  Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
   
  You can get a copy of my book online at
   
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  white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
  [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AgapeDEW at aol.com
  Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:27 PM
  To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
  Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get
  yourchair?


  where are u at, Holly?  I got mine locally from a company but they  like
  to 
  service their chairs so am not sure they would just deliver you one  
  without you coming in and being comfortable with the different choices.
  They 
  also have come out and picked it up for service, etc.  If you tell me
  what 
  city you closest to, I can have the mobility specialist look at his
  supplier 
  list and get you a local dealer.  Or you could call him yourself  and
  ask him 
  where to get the chair.  
   
   
  In a message dated 7/20/2009 11:25:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

  Hi  all.  I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.
  I
  called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my  husband
  told me about it too late.  

  She told me that they  couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
  paperwork or application  it asks is the patient blind.  If you say yes,
  they will not give them  a chair.  If you say no the doctor is lying.

  I told her I knew  several people that were blind and had a power chair,
  so she told me to ask  yall where to get it.  What places will give a
  chair to a blind  person?  Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
  the form that  is filled out by the doctor.  I need help, where do I go
  to get a  power chair?


  Holly Alonzo

  www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

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  <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
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From wickps at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 18:36:43 2009
From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] [SPAM] Re: here we go again. Where did you all
	get yourchair?
In-Reply-To: <DBF9BD13468746CE8BB51AE05662960A@DGQ81V31>
References: <003a01ca0965$34253140$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>
	<DBF9BD13468746CE8BB51AE05662960A@DGQ81V31>
Message-ID: <b900bbee0907201136h1b1cb665s486aea4730b5292f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Holly,

Just take that prescription to any wheelchair vendor that accepts
whatever insurance you have. As someone else suggested dealing with
someone local, or at least in your region is best.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Devona Abel<djasister at windstream.net> wrote:
> Yes.
> ?----- Original Message -----
> ?From: Holly Alonzo
> ?To: 'Blind wheelchair users list'
> ?Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:09 PM
> ?Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get yourchair?
>
>
> ?Jonesboro, AR. ?The doctor didn't hand me a prescription for a chair,
> ?just said that his nurse would fill out the paperwork. ?So if I have the
> ?prescription, do I Just take it to a vender? ?Dealer, or what?
>
>
> ?Holly Alonzo
>
> ?www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> ?Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
>
> ?You can get a copy of my book online at
>
> ?http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> ?If you would rather Order a book directly from me. ?You may send an
> ?email to
> ?booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> ?and request a copy. ?A payment method can be arranged. ?I will do
> ?whatever is best for you.
>
> ?I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on solid
> ?white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. ?I
> ?also have
> ?accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> ?Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> ?All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> ?Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
>
> ?-----Original Message-----
> ?From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> ?[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AgapeDEW at aol.com
> ?Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:27 PM
> ?To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
> ?Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get
> ?yourchair?
>
>
> ?where are u at, Holly? ?I got mine locally from a company but they ?like
> ?to
> ?service their chairs so am not sure they would just deliver you one
> ?without you coming in and being comfortable with the different choices.
> ?They
> ?also have come out and picked it up for service, etc. ?If you tell me
> ?what
> ?city you closest to, I can have the mobility specialist look at his
> ?supplier
> ?list and get you a local dealer. ?Or you could call him yourself ?and
> ?ask him
> ?where to get the chair.
>
>
> ?In a message dated 7/20/2009 11:25:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> ?mommaholly at gmail.com writes:
>
> ?Hi ?all. ?I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.
> ?I
> ?called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my ?husband
> ?told me about it too late.
>
> ?She told me that they ?couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
> ?paperwork or application ?it asks is the patient blind. ?If you say yes,
> ?they will not give them ?a chair. ?If you say no the doctor is lying.
>
> ?I told her I knew ?several people that were blind and had a power chair,
> ?so she told me to ask ?yall where to get it. ?What places will give a
> ?chair to a blind ?person? ?Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
> ?the form that ?is filled out by the doctor. ?I need help, where do I go
> ?to get a ?power chair?
>
>
> ?Holly Alonzo
>
> ?www.hollyalonzo.com ?<http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?Holly book cover ?thumbnail
> ?<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
> ?nail.jpg> ?Never Giving Up Hope
>
> ?You can get a copy of my book online ?at
> ?http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> ?If you would rather order a ?book directly from me, you may send an
> ?email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy. ?A payment
> ?method can be arranged. ?I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> ?I ?have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on
> ?solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
> ?read. ?I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
> ?readers.
>
> ?Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> ?All ?profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> ?Brainstem ?Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you ?can.
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 18:58:43 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:58:43 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all
	getyourchair?
References: <003a01ca0965$34253140$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <DB64212A61B4445DBACA0FE280CB2F6E@Gateway>

Holly,

All states  have different procedures, but here's what I did:

I got a prescription from my doctor and brought to a wheelchair clinic. They 
evaluated me using one of their power chairs. After about six appointments 
where I practiced and showed them I could do it, the physical therapist oked 
it and helped me choose my chair. Of course, it would probably be good to 
have a mobility specialist there with you too.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all 
getyourchair?


> Jonesboro, AR.  The doctor didn't hand me a prescription for a chair,
> just said that his nurse would fill out the paperwork.  So if I have the
> prescription, do I Just take it to a vender?  Dealer, or what?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
>
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
> email to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
> also have
> accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AgapeDEW at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:27 PM
> To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] here we go again. Where did you all get
> yourchair?
>
>
> where are u at, Holly?  I got mine locally from a company but they  like
> to
> service their chairs so am not sure they would just deliver you one
> without you coming in and being comfortable with the different choices.
> They
> also have come out and picked it up for service, etc.  If you tell me
> what
> city you closest to, I can have the mobility specialist look at his
> supplier
> list and get you a local dealer.  Or you could call him yourself  and
> ask him
> where to get the chair.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/20/2009 11:25:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mommaholly at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hi  all.  I went to my PCP doctor and he said he would get me a chair.
> I
> called his nurse today because she left a message Friday but my  husband
> told me about it too late.
>
> She told me that they  couldn't seem to get me a chair b because on the
> paperwork or application  it asks is the patient blind.  If you say yes,
> they will not give them  a chair.  If you say no the doctor is lying.
>
> I told her I knew  several people that were blind and had a power chair,
> so she told me to ask  yall where to get it.  What places will give a
> chair to a blind  person?  Even if you don't mention your blind, it's on
> the form that  is filled out by the doctor.  I need help, where do I go
> to get a  power chair?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> Holly book cover  thumbnail
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
> nail.jpg>  Never Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online  at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an
> email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment
> method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
> read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
> readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.
>
>
>
>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 09:41:44 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:41:44 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
Message-ID: <000701ca09e7$77c4c500$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Hi all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering can
you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair can be
guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this, but
how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.  Thanks.
 

Holly Alonzo

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<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
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to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment method can be
arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
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also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.

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From blindamp at q.com  Tue Jul 21 15:52:56 2009
From: blindamp at q.com (Marty James)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
References: <000701ca09e7$77c4c500$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP496E39D12080F2E2D99E1ED51A0@phx.gbl>

I am in the process of attaining a guide dog but while I am waiting my wife 
is my sighted guide while I am in my power chair. She just walks by my side 
and I hold her hand and off we go. I pace my speed and direction off the 
feel of her hand, kind of like a harness for the dog.
Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41 AM
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


> Hi all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering can
> you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair can be
> guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this, but
> how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.  Thanks.
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> Holly book cover thumbnail
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
> to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment method can be
> arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
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From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:12:25 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
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In a message dated 7/21/2009 6:05:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Hi  all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering  can
you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair  can be
guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this,  but
how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.   Thanks.


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

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white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to  read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.

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From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:24:33 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
Message-ID: <c7f.349a25ee.379753d1@aol.com>

My hubby and son were taught to be guides.  They put their hand on the  
back of the chair..which has some give.  I can feel them pull back and know  
something is in front of me they are stalling me for.  They also know  certain 
directions like...veer to the left a bit, then go straight...clear shot  
ahead...bit of an incline....stairway ahead....ramp is to the left about 8  
feet....etc.  Both are very good at it...and don't leave me in a strange  
place unless I have my guide cane out. They both know how to steer the chair  
from the side too using the controllers.  But I am an independent  thing....so 
I like the guidecane and few commands but at times...there are  tricky 
areas..such as the one court house...we couldn't find the sidewalk ramp  to get 
across the street.  But many people are very glad to help you.   What oftens 
happens is children will blurt out...Why you in that chair...what is  that 
you are carrying...so I get to be an educator on being differently  abled.  
I say...."My legs stopped working cuz I was hurt so the  wheelchair is my 
"legs" now.  This chair gets me everywhere as fast as  your feet can go." 
(then they want to race me lol) "and the cane is called a  guide cane...it tells 
me when there is a curb or where there is a step my  wheelchair will not 
go.  I use it to feel my way because I am blind...I  can't see so it helps me 
get places."  Then they are no longer  scared.  I did several talks at the 
elementary school and when I went to  football games for my high school son, 
I heard little voices yelling..."Hi, Miss  Debbie.  Mommy, Miss Debbie came 
to our school.  She is blind and uses  the wheelchair to speed on the 
street". LOL what a spin lol.   This  also helps the mystery behind my illness of 
MS and parents talk to me when they  find out I volunteer at the school.  I 
was actually there, too, because  there is a blind student there and I help 
him.  
Someone truly needs to train your family....my son had to be told not to be 
 silly when guiding me because its serious if I would go down a stairwell 
etc and  I am trusting him to help me.  Blindfolding him was how mobility 
specialist  did this..and he got a real reality check on what I deal with every 
day.   good luck.  
 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2009 6:05:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Hi  all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering  can
you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair  can be
guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this,  but
how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.   Thanks.


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

Holly book cover  thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
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arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on  solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to  read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.

Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 21:58:56 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP496E39D12080F2E2D99E1ED51A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009e01ca0a4e$750bb9b0$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Does it take you a while to g et used to it?  Or can you feel it like
you do when you are walking sighted guide with someone?

 
Holly Alonzo
 
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
 
You can get a copy of my book online at
 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have
accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
 
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marty James
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:53 AM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


I am in the process of attaining a guide dog but while I am waiting my
wife 
is my sighted guide while I am in my power chair. She just walks by my
side 
and I hold her hand and off we go. I pace my speed and direction off the

feel of her hand, kind of like a harness for the dog.
Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41 AM
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


> Hi all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering can

> you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair can 
> be guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this,

> but how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.  
> Thanks.
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> Holly book cover thumbnail 
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthu
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>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
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>
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> method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 22:45:17 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:45:17 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
In-Reply-To: <c7f.349a25ee.379753d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009f01ca0a54$ee853b80$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Who does the traqining for the family?  An O and M?

 
Holly Alonzo
 
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
 
You can get a copy of my book online at
 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have
accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
 
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AgapeDEW at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:25 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


My hubby and son were taught to be guides.  They put their hand on the  
back of the chair..which has some give.  I can feel them pull back and
know  
something is in front of me they are stalling me for.  They also know
certain 
directions like...veer to the left a bit, then go straight...clear shot

ahead...bit of an incline....stairway ahead....ramp is to the left about
8  
feet....etc.  Both are very good at it...and don't leave me in a strange

place unless I have my guide cane out. They both know how to steer the
chair  
from the side too using the controllers.  But I am an independent
thing....so 
I like the guidecane and few commands but at times...there are  tricky 
areas..such as the one court house...we couldn't find the sidewalk ramp
to get 
across the street.  But many people are very glad to help you.   What
oftens 
happens is children will blurt out...Why you in that chair...what is
that 
you are carrying...so I get to be an educator on being differently
abled.  
I say...."My legs stopped working cuz I was hurt so the  wheelchair is
my 
"legs" now.  This chair gets me everywhere as fast as  your feet can
go." 
(then they want to race me lol) "and the cane is called a  guide
cane...it tells 
me when there is a curb or where there is a step my  wheelchair will not

go.  I use it to feel my way because I am blind...I  can't see so it
helps me 
get places."  Then they are no longer  scared.  I did several talks at
the 
elementary school and when I went to  football games for my high school
son, 
I heard little voices yelling..."Hi, Miss  Debbie.  Mommy, Miss Debbie
came 
to our school.  She is blind and uses  the wheelchair to speed on the 
street". LOL what a spin lol.   This  also helps the mystery behind my
illness of 
MS and parents talk to me when they  find out I volunteer at the school.
I 
was actually there, too, because  there is a blind student there and I
help 
him.  
Someone truly needs to train your family....my son had to be told not to
be 
 silly when guiding me because its serious if I would go down a
stairwell 
etc and  I am trusting him to help me.  Blindfolding him was how
mobility 
specialist  did this..and he got a real reality check on what I deal
with every 
day.   good luck.  
 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2009 6:05:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Hi  all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering  can
you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair  can be
guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this,  but
how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.   Thanks.


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

Holly book cover  thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
nail.jpg>  Never Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book online  at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an
email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment
method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on
solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
readers.

Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.




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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Wed Jul 22 00:01:24 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:01:24 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
Message-ID: <cab.4bd42e63.3797b0d4@aol.com>


Getting used to the chair....period...will be a challenge.  Even those  
with sight, are afraid of the electric part of the chair.  At first, you  feel 
you are going to run right through a window or doorframe.  There are  
different speeds in the chair's control button and you should start it on  turtle. 
 There are some things my mobility specialist that taught me that I  will 
list below:
1.  Never leave the chair ON when getting out or into the chair.   Listen 
to the sound of the chair's beep telling you that its going off.   Practice 
turning on and off your chair in the beginning.  Keep your fingers  on the 
control and not to the side to avoid injury to fingers when going through  
doorframes.  The arm rests will act as bumpers for you.
Have someone scold you if you leave the chair on when getting up and down  
from chair.  This is a big safety issue because you could fall or  chair 
could start and lunge forward.   
 
2.  For the first day, just practice going short distances in one room  on 
slow turtle.  Clear your paths for good clearance.  Remove unneeded  
furniture.  Do not use it the first day entirely because you will get  frustrated 
and tired and that could cause injury while you are learning.  
 
3.  Have someone with you when you go through doorways etc to be  sure that 
your doorframes will actually 
handle the chair width. 
 
4.  Make sure your floors do not have any drops.  Transition  strips can be 
bought online or gotten at home improvement and  medical  supply stores. 
In a pinch, two mud rugs (heavy rubber or straw) can work to get you  over 
the threshhold of front door if just an inch drop.  
 
5.  Always use the guide cane when using the electric chair until  you are 
completely aware of your household surroundings and as long as there are  
not other people in the house moving things around.  Always use your  guide 
cane outside period. 
 
6.  Use the guide cane in a swinging manner in a semi-circle in front  of 
you with your left hand as your right hand operates the wc control.  I  have 
a 50 inch roller tip guide cane.  Listening is your best sense at  this 
point.  Do not take the tip off the ground.  Practice in a public  place with a 
guide to help you.  Hospitals, churches, schools do not   mind if you ask to 
use their facilities.  
 
7.  Listen, listen.  Do not use ipods or mp3 players etc when  traveling 
because you must keep a keen ear on your traveling.  You must  listen for 
people walking near you, away from you, across your path, bicycles  crossing, in 
hospitals- patient beds being wheeled around...so find someone to  go with 
you and talk you through this training.  I had mobility specialist  that was 
paid through the blind association.  
Lighthouse through Blind was the agency that has trained mobility  
specialists.  Going through intersections was quite a challenge but with  mobility 
specialists help, I did quite well.  
 
Parking lots....if you want more about this..write me. 
Building entries....if you want more about this...write me.
Transporting into a car:  if you want more, write me.
Public transportation and anchoring your wheelchair safely into the  
bus...write me if you want more info. 
Traveling by plane: write me if you want info.  
 
Use a reacher or cane to pull the doors closed is helpful.  Tying a  string 
on them can also help if doors close easily. 
Carry a poncho in case of rain.  Cover the arm that has the controls  with 
the poncho also.  
 
Any other questions, feel free to contact me directly.  deb
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2009 5:25:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

Does it  take you a while to g et used to it?  Or can you feel it like
you do  when you are walking sighted guide with someone?


Holly  Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com

Holly book cover thumbnailNever  Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book online  at

http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather Order  a book directly from me.  You may send an
email  to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white  paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.   I
also have
accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.

Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

All  profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.




-----Original Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Marty James
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:53 AM
To: Blind  wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted  guide?


I am in the process of attaining a guide dog but while I am  waiting my
wife 
is my sighted guide while I am in my power chair. She  just walks by my
side 
and I hold her hand and off we go. I pace my  speed and direction off the

feel of her hand, kind of like a harness  for the dog.
Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly  Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To:  <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41  AM
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


> Hi all.   Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering  can

> you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously  the chair can 
> be guided, because there are guide dog schools with  dogs that do this,

> but how is it guided?  How does sighted  guide work, if at all.  
> Thanks.
>
>
> Holly  Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> Holly book cover thumbnail  
>  <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthu
>  mb
> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a  copy of my book online at 
>  http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an 
> email to  booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment 
> method  can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on 
>  solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
>  read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using  screen

> readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the  electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books sales will go  toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant.  Please  support and buy a book if you  can.
>
>
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From blindamp at q.com  Wed Jul 22 02:36:25 2009
From: blindamp at q.com (Marty James)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
References: <009e01ca0a4e$750bb9b0$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>
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No, everything was great from the first trip for me.
Marty

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From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


> Does it take you a while to g et used to it?  Or can you feel it like
> you do when you are walking sighted guide with someone?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
>
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
> email to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
> also have
> accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marty James
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:53 AM
> To: Blind wheelchair users list
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
>
>
> I am in the process of attaining a guide dog but while I am waiting my
> wife
> is my sighted guide while I am in my power chair. She just walks by my
> side
> and I hold her hand and off we go. I pace my speed and direction off the
>
> feel of her hand, kind of like a harness for the dog.
> Marty
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
> To: <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41 AM
> Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
>
>
>> Hi all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering can
>
>> you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair can
>> be guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do this,
>
>> but how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Holly Alonzo
>>
>> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>>
>> Holly book cover thumbnail
>> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthu
>> mb
>> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>>
>> You can get a copy of my book online at
>> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>>
>> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an
>> email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment
>> method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.
>>
>> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on
>> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
>> read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
>
>> readers.
>>
>> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>>
>> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
>> Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
>>
>>
>>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 12:12:31 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:12:31 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP2752D962C6D938056356D6D51B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006e01ca0b8e$dcc3ee10$6601a8c0@hollyalonzo>

If your sighted guide is on the right, and you need to turn right,
wouldn't you run them over?  Or  can you do it easily with no damage?

 
Holly Alonzo
 
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
 
You can get a copy of my book online at
 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com
and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.
 
I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have
accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
 
Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
 
All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marty James
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:36 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


No, everything was great from the first trip for me.
Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


> Does it take you a while to g et used to it?  Or can you feel it like 
> you do when you are walking sighted guide with someone?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
>
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an 
> email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to 
> read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen

> readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marty James
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:53 AM
> To: Blind wheelchair users list
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
>
>
> I am in the process of attaining a guide dog but while I am waiting my

> wife is my sighted guide while I am in my power chair. She just walks 
> by my side
> and I hold her hand and off we go. I pace my speed and direction off
the
>
> feel of her hand, kind of like a harness for the dog.
> Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
> To: <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41 AM
> Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
>
>
>> Hi all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am wondering 
>> can
>
>> you do sighted guide while in a wheelchair?  Obviously the chair can 
>> be guided, because there are guide dog schools with dogs that do 
>> this,
>
>> but how is it guided?  How does sighted guide work, if at all. 
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Holly Alonzo
>>
>> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>>
>> Holly book cover thumbnail 
>> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverth
>> u
>> mb
>> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>>
>> You can get a copy of my book online at 
>> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>>
>> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an 
>> email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment 
>> method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.
>>
>> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on 
>> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to

>> read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using 
>> screen
>
>> readers.
>>
>> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>>
>> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
>> Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Thu Jul 23 17:37:21 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:37:21 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
Message-ID: <ceb.5f367ae8.3799f9d1@aol.com>


your sighted guide will walk to the right of you.  When they tell you  to 
make a 45% turn to right....they then line themselves up with the back of  
your chair and walk backwards to turn just as if their hip was attached to the 
 back of your chair.  Guides tend to wear good shoes though because there 
is  always a chance you could hit a toe or two...but if they tell you soon  
enough....you will slow down and the turn will as if you are one.  Think of  
them moving with you as dancing....they lead..u follow and they adjust to 
the  movement of your chair.    
 
 
In a message dated 7/23/2009 8:31:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

If your  sighted guide is on the right, and you need to turn right,
wouldn't you run  them over?  Or  can you do it easily with no  damage?


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com

Holly book  cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book  online at

http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather  Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
email  to
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and request a copy.  A payment method  can be arranged.  I will do
whatever is best for you.

I have a  print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
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also have
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Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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-----Original Message-----
From:  blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of Marty James
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:36 PM
To: Blind  wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted  guide?


No, everything was great from the first trip for  me.
Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly Alonzo"  <mommaholly at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'"  <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:58  PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?


> Does it take  you a while to g et used to it?  Or can you feel it like 
> you do  when you are walking sighted guide with someone?
>
>
> Holly  Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com
>
> Holly book cover  thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book  online at
>
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
>  If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an  
> email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com
> and request a copy.   A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
> whatever is best for  you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The  print copy is on 
> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low  vision people to 
> read.  I also have accessible electronic copies  for those using screen

> readers.
>
> Print copies are  $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books  sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>  [mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marty James
>  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:53 AM
> To: Blind wheelchair users  list
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] sighted  guide?
>
>
> I am in the process of attaining a guide dog  but while I am waiting my

> wife is my sighted guide while I am in  my power chair. She just walks 
> by my side
> and I hold her hand  and off we go. I pace my speed and direction off
the
>
> feel  of her hand, kind of like a harness for the dog.
> Marty
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holly Alonzo"  <mommaholly at gmail.com>
> To:  <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:41  AM
> Subject: [Blind-rollers] sighted guide?
>
>
>>  Hi all.  Tired of my questions yet?  ;) lol.  Well, I am  wondering 
>> can
>
>> you do sighted guide while in a  wheelchair?  Obviously the chair can 
>> be guided, because  there are guide dog schools with dogs that do 
>>  this,
>
>> but how is it guided?  How does sighted guide  work, if at all. 
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>  Holly Alonzo
>>
>> www.hollyalonzo.com  <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>>
>> Holly book cover  thumbnail 
>>  <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverth
>>  u
>> mb
>> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up  Hope
>>
>> You can get a copy of my book online at  
>> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>>
>> If you  would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an 
>> email  to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment 
>>  method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for  you.
>>
>> I have a print copy and an electronic copy.   The print copy is on 
>> solid white paper with 14 point font, easier  for low vision people to

>> read.  I also have accessible  electronic copies for those using 
>> screen
>
>>  readers.
>>
>> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy  is $7.
>>
>> All profits from books sales will go toward  funding for the Auditory 
>> Brainstem Implant.  Please support  and buy a book if you  can.
>>
>>
>>
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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 15:41:55 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:41:55 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
Message-ID: <000801ca0f99$f3c72cd0$6401a8c0@hollyalonzo>

What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need?  I used a 50
while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?
 

Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

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<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope

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to
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arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.

 Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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From djasister at windstream.net  Tue Jul 28 15:45:05 2009
From: djasister at windstream.net (Devona Abel)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:45:05 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
References: <000801ca0f99$f3c72cd0$6401a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <DC30B46CE2A548AF98D6259619FB583E@DGQ81V31>

As long as you can handle.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Holly Alonzo 
  To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:41 AM
  Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes


  What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need?  I used a 50
  while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?
   

  Holly Alonzo

  www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/> 

   Holly book cover thumbnail
  <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
  nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope

   You can get a copy of my book online at
  http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

  If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
  to
  booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment method can be
  arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

  I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
  white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
  also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.

   Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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  Brainstem Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you can.

   



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From wickps at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 16:33:25 2009
From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
In-Reply-To: <000801ca0f99$f3c72cd0$6401a8c0@hollyalonzo>
References: <000801ca0f99$f3c72cd0$6401a8c0@hollyalonzo>
Message-ID: <b900bbee0907280933v370b9d8sb1dfc9107d3c575a@mail.gmail.com>

I use '58 though somewhere between 60 and 65 is best. I find carbon
fiber canes best for my hand strength (I have CP) but switched to
aluminum because they're a little more durable.

Paul

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com> wrote:
> What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need? ?I used a 50
> while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?Holly book cover thumbnail
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>
> ?You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
> to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy. ?A payment method can be
> arranged. ?I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. ?I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> ?Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> ?All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 17:47:28 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
References: <000801ca0f99$f3c72cd0$6401a8c0@hollyalonzo>
	<b900bbee0907280933v370b9d8sb1dfc9107d3c575a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2FC7F275C7B542FA82A02B6F53B2D158@Gateway>

Holly,

While I was at the Carroll Center, I experimented with this very thing. To 
me, the longer the cane, the more space you can cover. When I was outside, I 
used the longer cane, which was about fifty-six inches, and I used the 
shorter cane inside. Both my canes had a roller ball on them to make it 
easier to move the cane across surfaces.

Jen

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From: "Paul Wick" <wickps at gmail.com>
To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] canes


I use '58 though somewhere between 60 and 65 is best. I find carbon
fiber canes best for my hand strength (I have CP) but switched to
aluminum because they're a little more durable.

Paul

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com> wrote:
> What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need? I used a 50
> while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> Holly book cover thumbnail
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
> to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy. A payment method can be
> arranged. I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
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> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
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From Cynthia.Barty at cnib.ca  Tue Jul 28 19:14:41 2009
From: Cynthia.Barty at cnib.ca (Cynthia Barty)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:14:41 -0400
Subject: [Blind-rollers] Blind-rollers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 12- Canes
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Holly,
I am an O&M in Canada, and it is best to have a cane length that will give you arc coverage of at least 1" outside each side of your wheelchair, plus give you enough warning or stopping time in relation to speed & reaction time when letting go of the controls. So if you were using 50" when walking, you will need a longer mobility cane with a different type of rolling tip. It has been described as a 'steering wheel' in a past topic strand. The biggest concern is stopping time, and coverage. Hope this helps (smile).

Cynthia Barty- OMS
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:41:55 -0500
From: "Holly Alonzo" <mommaholly at gmail.com>
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
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What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need?  I used a 50
while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?


Holly Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>

 Holly book cover thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
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 You can get a copy of my book online at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
to
booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment method can be
arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.

I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.

 Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

 All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:45:05 -0500
From: "Devona Abel" <djasister at windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] canes
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As long as you can handle.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Holly Alonzo
  To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:41 AM
  Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes


  What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need?  I used a 50
  while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?


  Holly Alonzo

  www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>

   Holly book cover thumbnail
  <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
  nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope

   You can get a copy of my book online at
  http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

  If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
  to
  booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment method can be
  arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you.

  I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
  white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read.  I
  also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:33:25 -0700
From: Paul Wick <wickps at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] canes
To: Blind wheelchair users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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I use '58 though somewhere between 60 and 65 is best. I find carbon
fiber canes best for my hand strength (I have CP) but switched to
aluminum because they're a little more durable.

Paul

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com> wrote:
> What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need? ?I used a 50
> while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> ?Holly book cover thumbnail
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>
> ?You can get a copy of my book online at
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an email
> to
> booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy. ?A payment method can be
> arranged. ?I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. ?The print copy is on solid
> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. ?I
> also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen readers.
>
> ?Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> ?All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory
> Brainstem Implant. ?Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
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From AgapeDEW at aol.com  Tue Jul 28 21:37:48 2009
From: AgapeDEW at aol.com (AgapeDEW at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:37:48 EDT
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
Message-ID: <c4d.46ce5800.37a0c9ac@aol.com>

already gave you that information in previous email.  deb
 
 
In a message dated 7/28/2009 1:11:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

What  length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need?  I used a 50
while I  was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?


Holly  Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>  

Holly book cover  thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
nail.jpg>  Never Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book online  at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an  email
to
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arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on  solid
white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to  read.  I
also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen  readers.

Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 22:04:12 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
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I don't remember it.  I  will have3 to go back and look.

 
Holly Alonzo
 
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Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
 
You can get a copy of my book online at
 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
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and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
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I have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on solid
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also have
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AgapeDEW at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:38 PM
To: blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] canes


already gave you that information in previous email.  deb
 
 
In a message dated 7/28/2009 1:11:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mommaholly at gmail.com writes:

What  length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need?  I used a 50
while I  was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?


Holly  Alonzo

www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>  

Holly book cover  thumbnail
<http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthumb
nail.jpg>  Never Giving Up Hope

You can get a copy of my book online  at
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo

If you would rather order a  book directly from me, you may send an
email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy.  A payment
method can be arranged.  I will do whatever is best for you. 

I  have a print copy and an electronic copy.  The print copy is on
solid white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to
read.  I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen
readers.

Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.

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Brainstem  Implant.  Please support and buy a book if you  can.




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From mommaholly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 22:11:30 2009
From: mommaholly at gmail.com (Holly Alonzo)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:11:30 -0500
Subject: [Blind-rollers] canes
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Message-ID: <007b01ca0fd0$5d6959c0$6401a8c0@hollyalonzo>

Thanjks everyone for the info.  I emailed my old O&M instructor and she
said that someone would have to come out and measure me.  That could
take a while, that is why I was asking.  I should have my chair in about
a week or so.  Getting a pronto M71 wish me luck.

 
Holly Alonzo
 
www.hollyalonzo.com
 
Holly book cover thumbnailNever Giving Up Hope
 
You can get a copy of my book online at
 
http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
 
If you would rather Order a book directly from me.  You may send an
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and request a copy.  A payment method can be arranged.  I will do
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:47 PM
To: Blind wheelchair users list
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] canes


Holly,

While I was at the Carroll Center, I experimented with this very thing.
To 
me, the longer the cane, the more space you can cover. When I was
outside, I 
used the longer cane, which was about fifty-six inches, and I used the 
shorter cane inside. Both my canes had a roller ball on them to make it 
easier to move the cane across surfaces.

Jen

Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com

Get healthy!
http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com

Contact me:

Jennifer Aberdeen
PO Box 1184
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-762-3258 (home)
401-644-5607 (cell)
freespirit328 at gmail.com
SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Wick" <wickps at gmail.com>
To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] canes


I use '58 though somewhere between 60 and 65 is best. I find carbon
fiber canes best for my hand strength (I have CP) but switched to
aluminum because they're a little more durable.

Paul

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Holly Alonzo<mommaholly at gmail.com>
wrote:
> What length of cane does someone in a wheelchair need? I used a 50 
> while I was walking. Does it need to be longer than that for a chair?
>
>
> Holly Alonzo
>
> www.hollyalonzo.com <http://www.hollyalonzo.com/>
>
> Holly book cover thumbnail 
> <http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/hollyalonzo/Hollybookcoverthu
> mb
> nail.jpg> Never Giving Up Hope
>
> You can get a copy of my book online at 
> http://stores.lulu.com/hollyalonzo
>
> If you would rather order a book directly from me, you may send an 
> email to booksales at hollyalonzo.com and request a copy. A payment 
> method can be arranged. I will do whatever is best for you.
>
> I have a print copy and an electronic copy. The print copy is on solid

> white paper with 14 point font, easier for low vision people to read. 
> I also have accessible electronic copies for those using screen 
> readers.
>
> Print copies are $13 and the electronic copy is $7.
>
> All profits from books sales will go toward funding for the Auditory 
> Brainstem Implant. Please support and buy a book if you can.
>
>
>
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