[Blind-rollers] Blind-rollers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7

[marcel]

Good day all

My name is Marcel and I am from Northern Ontario Canada.  I live in a small 
town called Kapuskasing.  I use a powered chair mid drive wheelchair which 
took  me forever to get because here in Canada you can't get a chair until a 
Occupational therapist approves it.  Thus far in Canada
 according to the records the O.T related to me their are only two people in 
Canada that use a power chair with visual impairments.  It is a very new 
thing for Canada .  I am hoping that this will change soon because I'm sure 
there have been some turned down due to the fear of liability on the O.T's 
part.  I have very little vision, I detect some light  at night and 
depending on contrast I can some times detect movement but could not tell 
you what is moving around if it weren't for my hearing.  One of you 
mentioned the use of a telescoping cane because of jabbing himself.  I never 
thought of that I'm glad I read it because the first thing on today's agenda 
is to order a telescoping cane..  I am presently using a graphite folding 
cane with a large roller well at the end.  It does not snag very often but 
when it does I usually get it in the gut ....   Look forward to hearing 
from all of  you in the future


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>   1. Re: hello. (dmgina)
>   2. Re: Hi (Kim & Sophie)
>   3. Re: Just wanted to say Hello (Kim & Sophie)
>   4. Re: hello. (Dan)
>   5. Re: hello. (dmgina)
>   6. Re: Just wanted to say Hello (dmgina)
>   7. Re: hello. (Jennifer Aberdeen)
>   8. Re: Just wanted to say Hello (Kim & Sophie)
>   9. Re: hello. (Dan)
>  10. Re: hello. (dmgina)
>  11. Re: hello. (dmgina)
>  12. Re: Just wanted to say Hello (dmgina)
>  13. Re: hello. (Dan)
>  14. Re: Just wanted to say Hello (Dan)
>  15. Re: hello. (Jennifer Aberdeen)
>  16. Re: Just wanted to say Hello (dmgina)
>  17. Re: hello. (dmgina)
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:18:34 -0600
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi this is Dar,
> I use a walking cane with my guide dog.
> Did this off and on for years.
> Now it is on again.
> Dealing with vertigo, as well as falling from time to time, I felt it 
> better
> to do the cane.
> I admire that you want to go this fast in your chair.
> Do you live in an area where you have only ramp curbs?
>
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
> Every Saint has a past
> Every Sinner has a future
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carrie Ann Lucas" <clucas at disabilitypride.com>
> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Right now, about half the time, and when it is light, I have enough 
>> vision
>> to navigate without my cane in familiar territory.  I use my cane in
>> unfamiliar territory, and in the dark.  At times my vision is little more
>> than light and movement perception, and I have a much harder time in
>> unfamiliar territory during those times.  The rest of the time I can see
>> some in good light.
>>
>> I use a 21st Century Scientific Bounder chair, which is rear wheel drive
>> and
>> built like a tank.  I used to have my chair set VERY fast, 11 mph or so.
>> Now I run at 6 - 6.5 mph top speed.  I use a telescoping cane with a 
>> metal
>> tip.  I stabbed myself in the stomach too many times with a folding cane.
>> If the cane catches and I can't stop in time, this one just telescopes
>> onto
>> itself, rather than stabbing me or breaking.  My problem is that a lot of
>> times I then drop my cane, and I can't always find it.
>>
>> As for how I navigate, I just use my cane.  I do rely a great deal on my
>> residual vision, especially for crossing streets, except in those areas
>> where I am lucky enough to have vibrotactle pedestrian signals.
>>
>> I have a progressive neuromuscular disease, and don't have the arm
>> function
>> to use a manual chair.  My vision, hearing and mobility issues are all
>> unrelated, I just hit some weird genetic jackpot, but all my kids were
>> adopted, so their disabilities are also unrelated (the oldest has a
>> genetic
>> syndrome, one was a micro-preemie and now has cerebral palsy, and the
>> other's disabilities are the result of abuse and neglect).
>>
>> Carrie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Hi Carrie --
>> Wow, you do have the load of challenges!  I am not deaf but do need
>> hearing
>> aids as my hearing is 50% without them, but my vision is down to light 
>> and
>> color perception nowadays.  I ask you the same question I asked Dan --  
>> how
>> on earth do you use a power chair to navigate, especially in unfamiliar
>> territory? Or do you avoid unfamiliar terrain without a travel companion?
>> Great that you're working.  Sorry to hear your children have to battle
>> some
>> of the same challenges.  That is one reason I never had kids -- not that 
>> I
>> judge anyone who does have them, but I was afraid of passing along those
>> annoying little genes that have caused me so much trouble...
>> But I'm a very proud and doting aunt...
>> I should probably introduce myself -- I am a computer programmer --
>> degrees
>> in math and computer science -- who worked 12 years after grad school and
>> then had to go on disability due to a "perfect storm" of setbacks.
>> I have been home now for about 10 years but keeping busy with various
>> things
>> and trying to find useful ways of spending my time.
>> My employer's disability insurance made it possible to get by without
>> working for a while -- I live with Mom. We are a team.  She takes care of
>> the house, and when I was working I paid all the bills, but now she and I
>> share the finances.  She is 83. I will be 50 this year.
>> I keep my ear to the job opportunities out there, but have been spending
>> my
>> time in volunteer activities and projects for the time being.
>> Well, hope to hear more from you as it sounds like you'd have a lot of
>> interesting things to share.
>> Take care.
>> --le
>>
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:45:58 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Kim & Sophie <kim_and_sophie at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Hi
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> Hi Laura,
>
>  Funny you mentioned the convention in Atlanta.  I was living in Atlanta 
> then and had considered going, but was in the middle of packing and 
> getting ready to move back to Canada.  Things were just way too busy at 
> the time, so I decided not to go.  I'm really glad this list was started. 
> I have only found one group that was for people who were blind and 
> wheelchair users, but it was a Yahoo Group.  There was only a few people 
> on it and a lot of spam.
>
>  Kim & Sophie
>
> Laura Eaves <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>  Hi Kim -- Welcome to the list -- You are indeed not alone -- there are
> probably a lot of people with this "blessing" in their lives -- at the
> Atlanta convention a group of 16 of us met to organize within the nfb and 
> I
> volunteered to form this list. I have met a number of people over the 
> years
> at the national conventions in wheelchairs and blind, but had never heard 
> of
> a list or any effort to organize.
> I hope this list will be a valuable resource.
> Take care! (Hmm -- I was going to say "Let's Roll", but considering what
> happened to flight 93 on 9eleven, perhaps that wouldn't be appropriate.
> Anyway, have a great day!)
> --le
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kim & Sophie"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:47 AM
> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Hi
>
>
> Hi, I just found out about this list. I've been blind since birth and a
> quad. since Oct. 4, 2004. I have never met another person who is blind and
> is also a wheelchair user like myself. I know there are some other people
> who are wheelchair users and who have guide dogs from Guide Dogs for the
> Blind like me, but have never met them. Just wanted to say hi and 
> hopefully
> get to know some new people.
>
> Kim & Sophie
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> Hi Laura,
> ?
> Funny you mentioned the convention in Atlanta.? I was living in Atlanta 
> then and had considered going, but was in the middle of packing and 
> getting ready to move back to Canada.? Things were just way too busy at 
> the time, so I decided not to go.? I'm really glad this list was started.? 
> I have only found one group that was for people who were blind and 
> wheelchair users, but it was a Yahoo Group.? There was only a few people 
> on it and a lot of spam.
> ?
> Kim & Sophie
> Laura Eaves <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
> wrote:
> Hi Kim -- Welcome to the list -- You are indeed not alone -- there are
> probably a lot of people with this "blessing" in their lives -- at the
> Atlanta convention a group of 16 of us met to organize within the nfb and 
> I
> volunteered to form this list. I have met a number of people over the 
> years
> at the national conventions in wheelchairs and blind, but had never heard 
> of
> a list or any effort to organize.
> I hope this list will be a valuable resource.
> Take care! (Hmm -- I was going to say "Let's Roll", but considering what
> happened to flight 93 on 9eleven, perhaps that wouldn't be appropriate.
> Anyway, have a great day!)
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kim & Sophie"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:47 AM
> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Hi
> Hi, I just found out about this list. I've been blind since birth and a
> quad. since Oct. 4, 2004. I have never met another person who is blind and
> is also a wheelchair user like myself. I know there are some other people
> who are wheelchair users and who have guide dogs from Guide Dogs for the
> Blind like me, but have never met them. Just wanted to say hi and 
> hopefully
> get to know some new people.
> Kim & Sophie
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Kim & Sophie <kim_and_sophie at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
> To: Blind wheelchair users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> I had this problem with my old wheelchair because I only had 3 degrees of 
> camber on my wheels.  I would get my hand caught between doorways a lot 
> and because I have no feeling in my hands I wouldn't realize until I 
> couldn't move forward, or I couldn't pull my arm away from my wheel.  When 
> I got my new wheelchair I got 9 degrees of camber on my wheels and this 
> gives me enough room so my hands don't touch door frames etc. because the 
> bottom of my wheels can only touch the door frame leaving room between the 
> top of the wheel for my hand.
>
>  If you decide to add more camber to your chair you really should consider 
> the width yoru chair will be at the base though.  You don't want to do it 
> and be too wide to fit through some doorways!  It also adds a lot of 
> stability from side to side to your chair.
>
>  Kim & Sophie
>
> Laura Eaves <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>  Hi Jen --
> I crash into things with the manual chair too, but I have control enough 
> to
> stop. Perhaps with practice, the same would be true with a power chair.
> One annoying thing about using the manual chair is that I frequently --  
> that
> is, *very* frequently -- get my hand caught between the chair and the
> furniture and so my hands and fingers are constantly bruised and swollen
> from little injuries, not to mention painful as heck.
> Does anyone else have this problem?
> I am fortunate in that I have full use of my arms -- I suppose there are
> some on the list that are more limited. I am also able to stand and pivot,
> but not walk.
> As for how I stear, I just push with one arm and feel with my feet and the
> other arm. I only carry the cane strapped to my chair for identification 
> so
> people know I'm blind. If I used a power chair I suppose I could use the
> cane for mobility more easily.
> Comments welcome.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen"
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>
>
> Hi Laura,
>
> I know your question was to Dan, and I don't want to high-jack the email 
> in
> any way, but I just wanted to ask you how you got around in your manual
> chair? I have a manual chair right now, and I have a really hard time
> getting around unfamiliar places, which is just about everywhere except my
> house. I have a one-armed gear manual chair, but I don't use it the way 
> I'm
> supposed to because I almost broke my wrist trying to steer the chair when 
> I
> was learning how to use it. I'm hoping that my mobility will be easier 
> with
> the power chair, but if for some reason I can't drive it without crashing
> into things, I don't know what I'll do. I really need to be able to get
> around without people helping me.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura Eaves"
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>
>
>> Hi Dan -- Welcome to the list!
>> I am blind and use a manual chair.
>> I tried a power chair at one point just to see how well it would work, 
>> but
>> I
>> pretty much demolished the furniture and took some paint off the wall. I
>> suppose for a one-day trial with no experience that was to be expected,
>> but
>> I decided that for various reasons I preferred the manual -- not the 
>> least
>> of which is that I don't need a van to travel, and if I need a ride
>> somewhere, my friend can throw my light weight folding chair in the trunk
>> of
>> any car quite easily.
>> I have a question -- are you total or do you have some vision? and if so,
>> how much?
>> When I was working, when my vision was better, I could see enough to 
>> stear
>> in familiar territory. But now my vision is not good enough to navigate
>> much at all. I do most all navigation by touch, or checking out the light
>> fixtures in the room (I have light vision) to know where I am.
>> Take care.
>> --le
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:26 AM
>> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am a totally blind person who has been successfully using an
>> electric wheelchair for over a year.
>> I have a Jazzy-610 with a PG VSI 50 Amp controller mounted on the
>> left arm rest. This is a Center-wheel drive with Active Track
>> Suspension and I absolutely love the Six-Wheels on the ground at all
>> times. It really does give me tremendous stability.
>>
>> I didn't need Rehab Seating. However I do have a High-Backed seat
>> with a Headrest and it also Reclines.
>> While I can still walk some, I feel much safer in the wheelchair.
>> For guidance I use an extremely lightweight carbon fiber folding
>> cane with a roller tip and it works great.
>> Dan
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> I had this problem with my old wheelchair because I only had 3 degrees of 
> camber on my wheels.? I would get my hand caught between doorways a lot 
> and because I have no feeling?in my hands I wouldn't realize until I 
> couldn't move forward, or I couldn't pull my arm away from my wheel.? When 
> I got my new wheelchair I got 9 degrees of camber on my wheels and this 
> gives me enough room so my hands don't touch door frames etc. because the 
> bottom of my wheels can only touch the door?frame leaving room between the 
> top of the wheel for my hand.?
> ?
> If you decide to add more camber to your chair you really should consider 
> the width yoru chair will be at the base though.? You don't want to do it 
> and be too wide to fit through some doorways!? It also adds a lot of 
> stability from side to side to your chair.
> ?
> Kim & Sophie
> Laura Eaves <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com>
> wrote:
> Hi Jen --
> I crash into things with the manual chair too, but I have control enough 
> to
> stop. Perhaps with practice, the same would be true with a power chair.
> One annoying thing about using the manual chair is that I frequently --  
> that
> is, *very* frequently -- get my hand caught between the chair and the
> furniture and so my hands and fingers are constantly bruised and swollen
> from little injuries, not to mention painful as heck.
> Does anyone else have this problem?
> I am fortunate in that I have full use of my arms -- I suppose there are
> some on the list that are more limited. I am also able to stand and pivot,
> but not walk.
> As for how I stear, I just push with one arm and feel with my feet and the
> other arm. I only carry the cane strapped to my chair for identification 
> so
> people know I'm blind. If I used a power chair I suppose I could use the
> cane for mobility more easily.
> Comments welcome.
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen"
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
> Hi Laura,
> I know your question was to Dan, and I don't want to high-jack the email 
> in
> any way, but I just wanted to ask you how you got around in your manual
> chair? I have a manual chair right now, and I have a really hard time
> getting around unfamiliar places, which is just about everywhere except my
> house. I have a one-armed gear manual chair, but I don't use it the way 
> I'm
> supposed to because I almost broke my wrist trying to steer the chair when 
> I
> was learning how to use it. I'm hoping that my mobility will be easier 
> with
> the power chair, but if for some reason I can't drive it without crashing
> into things, I don't know what I'll do. I really need to be able to get
> around without people helping me.
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laura Eaves"
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>> Hi Dan -- Welcome to the list!
>> I am blind and use a manual chair.
>> I tried a power chair at one point just to see how well it would work, 
>> but
>> I
>> pretty much demolished the furniture and took some paint off the wall. I
>> suppose for a one-day trial with no experience that was to be expected,
>> but
>> I decided that for various reasons I preferred the manual -- not the 
>> least
>> of which is that I don't need a van to travel, and if I need a ride
>> somewhere, my friend can throw my light weight folding chair in the trunk
>> of
>> any car quite easily.
>> I have a question -- are you total or do you have some vision? and if so,
>> how much?
>> When I was working, when my vision was better, I could see enough to 
>> stear
>> in familiar territory. But now my vision is not good enough to navigate
>> much at all. I do most all navigation by touch, or checking out the light
>> fixtures in the room (I have light vision) to know where I am.
>> Take care.
>> --le
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:26 AM
>> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am a totally blind person who has been successfully using an
>> electric wheelchair for over a year.
>> I have a Jazzy-610 with a PG VSI 50 Amp controller mounted on the
>> left arm rest. This is a Center-wheel drive with Active Track
>> Suspension and I absolutely love the Six-Wheels on the ground at all
>> times. It really does give me tremendous stability.
>>
>> I didn't need Rehab Seating. However I do have a High-Backed seat
>> with a Headrest and it also Reclines.
>> While I can still walk some, I feel much safer in the wheelchair.
>> For guidance I use an extremely lightweight carbon fiber folding
>> cane with a roller tip and it works great.
>> Dan
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-rollers mailing list
>> Blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:15:32 -0700
> From: Dan <JazzyDan at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
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> Hello Dar,
> This is Dan.
> I know that some people like going really fast and that's OK.
> Personally, my chair does just under 4 MPH and that's about as fast
> as I normally walked while using a cane before switching to the
> wheelchair. I am happy at this speed. No it's not the 11 MPH that
> some units can run at, but it works for me.
> However, having said that, sometimes I wish it ran around 5 MPH when
> crossing streets. But even at that things have worked real well for me.
> You know, it's really interesting to read about and discuss all the
> different things that those of us who use wheelchairs face every day.
> Also, in time, I hope this list will really prove to be a good place
> for tips and other worthwhile advice.
> One other thing that I would like to say is this. Contrary to what
> some might think, and that includes professionals in the field, blind
> people really can successfully use wheelchairs and it really helps us
> just as much as it'd help any other person needing a manual or power
> chair.
> I bring this up because one professional told me in no uncertain
> terms that a blind person should never be allowed to use a wheelchair
> without sighted assistance. Well, several times in the last year,
> I've had occasion to be in the same building where this professional
> works. A few weeks ago, she finally said to me, "I guess it really
> can be done."
> That's enough of my rambling for now.
> Dan
> On Jul 26, 2007, at 10:18 AM, dmgina wrote:
>
>> Hi this is Dar,
>> I use a walking cane with my guide dog.
>> Did this off and on for years.
>> Now it is on again.
>> Dealing with vertigo, as well as falling from time to time, I felt
>> it better
>> to do the cane.
>> I admire that you want to go this fast in your chair.
>> Do you live in an area where you have only ramp curbs?
>>
>> --Dar
>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>> Every Saint has a past
>> Every Sinner has a future
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carrie Ann Lucas" <clucas at disabilitypride.com>
>> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Right now, about half the time, and when it is light, I have
>>> enough vision
>>> to navigate without my cane in familiar territory.  I use my cane in
>>> unfamiliar territory, and in the dark.  At times my vision is
>>> little more
>>> than light and movement perception, and I have a much harder time in
>>> unfamiliar territory during those times.  The rest of the time I
>>> can see
>>> some in good light.
>>>
>>> I use a 21st Century Scientific Bounder chair, which is rear wheel
>>> drive
>>> and
>>> built like a tank.  I used to have my chair set VERY fast, 11 mph
>>> or so.
>>> Now I run at 6 - 6.5 mph top speed.  I use a telescoping cane with
>>> a metal
>>> tip.  I stabbed myself in the stomach too many times with a
>>> folding cane.
>>> If the cane catches and I can't stop in time, this one just
>>> telescopes
>>> onto
>>> itself, rather than stabbing me or breaking.  My problem is that a
>>> lot of
>>> times I then drop my cane, and I can't always find it.
>>>
>>> As for how I navigate, I just use my cane.  I do rely a great deal
>>> on my
>>> residual vision, especially for crossing streets, except in those
>>> areas
>>> where I am lucky enough to have vibrotactle pedestrian signals.
>>>
>>> I have a progressive neuromuscular disease, and don't have the arm
>>> function
>>> to use a manual chair.  My vision, hearing and mobility issues are
>>> all
>>> unrelated, I just hit some weird genetic jackpot, but all my kids
>>> were
>>> adopted, so their disabilities are also unrelated (the oldest has a
>>> genetic
>>> syndrome, one was a micro-preemie and now has cerebral palsy, and the
>>> other's disabilities are the result of abuse and neglect).
>>>
>>> Carrie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Hi Carrie --
>>> Wow, you do have the load of challenges!  I am not deaf but do need
>>> hearing
>>> aids as my hearing is 50% without them, but my vision is down to
>>> light and
>>> color perception nowadays.  I ask you the same question I asked
>>> Dan -- how
>>> on earth do you use a power chair to navigate, especially in
>>> unfamiliar
>>> territory? Or do you avoid unfamiliar terrain without a travel
>>> companion?
>>> Great that you're working.  Sorry to hear your children have to
>>> battle
>>> some
>>> of the same challenges.  That is one reason I never had kids --
>>> not that I
>>> judge anyone who does have them, but I was afraid of passing along
>>> those
>>> annoying little genes that have caused me so much trouble...
>>> But I'm a very proud and doting aunt...
>>> I should probably introduce myself -- I am a computer programmer --
>>> degrees
>>> in math and computer science -- who worked 12 years after grad
>>> school and
>>> then had to go on disability due to a "perfect storm" of setbacks.
>>> I have been home now for about 10 years but keeping busy with various
>>> things
>>> and trying to find useful ways of spending my time.
>>> My employer's disability insurance made it possible to get by without
>>> working for a while -- I live with Mom. We are a team.  She takes
>>> care of
>>> the house, and when I was working I paid all the bills, but now
>>> she and I
>>> share the finances.  She is 83. I will be 50 this year.
>>> I keep my ear to the job opportunities out there, but have been
>>> spending
>>> my
>>> time in volunteer activities and projects for the time being.
>>> Well, hope to hear more from you as it sounds like you'd have a
>>> lot of
>>> interesting things to share.
>>> Take care.
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:01:00 -0600
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi Dan,
> I want to learn as much as I can.
> I still don't know how you folks know what to do if you have an area that
> has a step down curb.
> You go up to the curb and back to the alley?
> am I correct on this one?
> but I would be afraid I would hit my face going on the side of the curb, 
> and
> I would be afraid to be in the street.
> I want to learn as much as I can, so if I am with the same situation I 
> know
> I can still travel.
> I also would like to see the list encourage the Medical.
> But to make sure you can control your chair down a hill.
> things like this.
> Thanks,
>
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
> Every Saint has a past
> Every Sinner has a future
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan" <JazzyDan at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>
>
>> Hello Dar,
>> This is Dan.
>> I know that some people like going really fast and that's OK.
>> Personally, my chair does just under 4 MPH and that's about as fast
>> as I normally walked while using a cane before switching to the
>> wheelchair. I am happy at this speed. No it's not the 11 MPH that
>> some units can run at, but it works for me.
>> However, having said that, sometimes I wish it ran around 5 MPH when
>> crossing streets. But even at that things have worked real well for me.
>> You know, it's really interesting to read about and discuss all the
>> different things that those of us who use wheelchairs face every day.
>> Also, in time, I hope this list will really prove to be a good place
>> for tips and other worthwhile advice.
>> One other thing that I would like to say is this. Contrary to what
>> some might think, and that includes professionals in the field, blind
>> people really can successfully use wheelchairs and it really helps us
>> just as much as it'd help any other person needing a manual or power
>> chair.
>> I bring this up because one professional told me in no uncertain
>> terms that a blind person should never be allowed to use a wheelchair
>> without sighted assistance. Well, several times in the last year,
>> I've had occasion to be in the same building where this professional
>> works. A few weeks ago, she finally said to me, "I guess it really
>> can be done."
>> That's enough of my rambling for now.
>> Dan
>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 10:18 AM, dmgina wrote:
>>
>>> Hi this is Dar,
>>> I use a walking cane with my guide dog.
>>> Did this off and on for years.
>>> Now it is on again.
>>> Dealing with vertigo, as well as falling from time to time, I felt
>>> it better
>>> to do the cane.
>>> I admire that you want to go this fast in your chair.
>>> Do you live in an area where you have only ramp curbs?
>>>
>>> --Dar
>>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>> Every Saint has a past
>>> Every Sinner has a future
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Carrie Ann Lucas" <clucas at disabilitypride.com>
>>> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Right now, about half the time, and when it is light, I have
>>>> enough vision
>>>> to navigate without my cane in familiar territory.  I use my cane in
>>>> unfamiliar territory, and in the dark.  At times my vision is
>>>> little more
>>>> than light and movement perception, and I have a much harder time in
>>>> unfamiliar territory during those times.  The rest of the time I
>>>> can see
>>>> some in good light.
>>>>
>>>> I use a 21st Century Scientific Bounder chair, which is rear wheel
>>>> drive
>>>> and
>>>> built like a tank.  I used to have my chair set VERY fast, 11 mph
>>>> or so.
>>>> Now I run at 6 - 6.5 mph top speed.  I use a telescoping cane with
>>>> a metal
>>>> tip.  I stabbed myself in the stomach too many times with a
>>>> folding cane.
>>>> If the cane catches and I can't stop in time, this one just
>>>> telescopes
>>>> onto
>>>> itself, rather than stabbing me or breaking.  My problem is that a
>>>> lot of
>>>> times I then drop my cane, and I can't always find it.
>>>>
>>>> As for how I navigate, I just use my cane.  I do rely a great deal
>>>> on my
>>>> residual vision, especially for crossing streets, except in those
>>>> areas
>>>> where I am lucky enough to have vibrotactle pedestrian signals.
>>>>
>>>> I have a progressive neuromuscular disease, and don't have the arm
>>>> function
>>>> to use a manual chair.  My vision, hearing and mobility issues are
>>>> all
>>>> unrelated, I just hit some weird genetic jackpot, but all my kids
>>>> were
>>>> adopted, so their disabilities are also unrelated (the oldest has a
>>>> genetic
>>>> syndrome, one was a micro-preemie and now has cerebral palsy, and the
>>>> other's disabilities are the result of abuse and neglect).
>>>>
>>>> Carrie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Hi Carrie --
>>>> Wow, you do have the load of challenges!  I am not deaf but do need
>>>> hearing
>>>> aids as my hearing is 50% without them, but my vision is down to
>>>> light and
>>>> color perception nowadays.  I ask you the same question I asked
>>>> Dan -- how
>>>> on earth do you use a power chair to navigate, especially in
>>>> unfamiliar
>>>> territory? Or do you avoid unfamiliar terrain without a travel
>>>> companion?
>>>> Great that you're working.  Sorry to hear your children have to
>>>> battle
>>>> some
>>>> of the same challenges.  That is one reason I never had kids --
>>>> not that I
>>>> judge anyone who does have them, but I was afraid of passing along
>>>> those
>>>> annoying little genes that have caused me so much trouble...
>>>> But I'm a very proud and doting aunt...
>>>> I should probably introduce myself -- I am a computer programmer --
>>>> degrees
>>>> in math and computer science -- who worked 12 years after grad
>>>> school and
>>>> then had to go on disability due to a "perfect storm" of setbacks.
>>>> I have been home now for about 10 years but keeping busy with various
>>>> things
>>>> and trying to find useful ways of spending my time.
>>>> My employer's disability insurance made it possible to get by without
>>>> working for a while -- I live with Mom. We are a team.  She takes
>>>> care of
>>>> the house, and when I was working I paid all the bills, but now
>>>> she and I
>>>> share the finances.  She is 83. I will be 50 this year.
>>>> I keep my ear to the job opportunities out there, but have been
>>>> spending
>>>> my
>>>> time in volunteer activities and projects for the time being.
>>>> Well, hope to hear more from you as it sounds like you'd have a
>>>> lot of
>>>> interesting things to share.
>>>> Take care.
>>>> --le
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:02:15 -0600
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> How did you know what to add to your chair to work for you?
> Or did you get professional help?
>
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
> Every Saint has a past
> Every Sinner has a future
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kim & Sophie" <kim_and_sophie at yahoo.ca>
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>
>
>>I had this problem with my old wheelchair because I only had 3 degrees of
>>camber on my wheels.  I would get my hand caught between doorways a lot 
>>and
>>because I have no feeling in my hands I wouldn't realize until I couldn't
>>move forward, or I couldn't pull my arm away from my wheel.  When I got my
>>new wheelchair I got 9 degrees of camber on my wheels and this gives me
>>enough room so my hands don't touch door frames etc. because the bottom of
>>my wheels can only touch the door frame leaving room between the top of 
>>the
>>wheel for my hand.
>>
>>  If you decide to add more camber to your chair you really should 
>> consider
>> the width yoru chair will be at the base though.  You don't want to do it
>> and be too wide to fit through some doorways!  It also adds a lot of
>> stability from side to side to your chair.
>>
>>  Kim & Sophie
>>
>> Laura Eaves <leaves1 at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>  Hi Jen --
>> I crash into things with the manual chair too, but I have control enough
>> to
>> stop. Perhaps with practice, the same would be true with a power chair.
>> One annoying thing about using the manual chair is that I frequently --
>> that
>> is, *very* frequently -- get my hand caught between the chair and the
>> furniture and so my hands and fingers are constantly bruised and swollen
>> from little injuries, not to mention painful as heck.
>> Does anyone else have this problem?
>> I am fortunate in that I have full use of my arms -- I suppose there are
>> some on the list that are more limited. I am also able to stand and 
>> pivot,
>> but not walk.
>> As for how I stear, I just push with one arm and feel with my feet and 
>> the
>> other arm. I only carry the cane strapped to my chair for identification
>> so
>> people know I'm blind. If I used a power chair I suppose I could use the
>> cane for mobility more easily.
>> Comments welcome.
>> --le
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen"
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I know your question was to Dan, and I don't want to high-jack the email
>> in
>> any way, but I just wanted to ask you how you got around in your manual
>> chair? I have a manual chair right now, and I have a really hard time
>> getting around unfamiliar places, which is just about everywhere except 
>> my
>> house. I have a one-armed gear manual chair, but I don't use it the way
>> I'm
>> supposed to because I almost broke my wrist trying to steer the chair 
>> when
>> I
>> was learning how to use it. I'm hoping that my mobility will be easier
>> with
>> the power chair, but if for some reason I can't drive it without crashing
>> into things, I don't know what I'll do. I really need to be able to get
>> around without people helping me.
>>
>> Jen
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Laura Eaves"
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dan -- Welcome to the list!
>>> I am blind and use a manual chair.
>>> I tried a power chair at one point just to see how well it would work,
>>> but
>>> I
>>> pretty much demolished the furniture and took some paint off the wall. I
>>> suppose for a one-day trial with no experience that was to be expected,
>>> but
>>> I decided that for various reasons I preferred the manual -- not the
>>> least
>>> of which is that I don't need a van to travel, and if I need a ride
>>> somewhere, my friend can throw my light weight folding chair in the 
>>> trunk
>>> of
>>> any car quite easily.
>>> I have a question -- are you total or do you have some vision? and if 
>>> so,
>>> how much?
>>> When I was working, when my vision was better, I could see enough to
>>> stear
>>> in familiar territory. But now my vision is not good enough to navigate
>>> much at all. I do most all navigation by touch, or checking out the 
>>> light
>>> fixtures in the room (I have light vision) to know where I am.
>>> Take care.
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dan"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:26 AM
>>> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am a totally blind person who has been successfully using an
>>> electric wheelchair for over a year.
>>> I have a Jazzy-610 with a PG VSI 50 Amp controller mounted on the
>>> left arm rest. This is a Center-wheel drive with Active Track
>>> Suspension and I absolutely love the Six-Wheels on the ground at all
>>> times. It really does give me tremendous stability.
>>>
>>> I didn't need Rehab Seating. However I do have a High-Backed seat
>>> with a Headrest and it also Reclines.
>>> While I can still walk some, I feel much safer in the wheelchair.
>>> For guidance I use an extremely lightweight carbon fiber folding
>>> cane with a roller tip and it works great.
>>> Dan
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:14:39 -0400
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi Dar,
>
> I have had experience getting down a curb...well when I had sight.
>
> Basically I would down it back wards. I had to line my back wheels up with
> the curb and then just push my chair back off the curb quickly. My chair
> (manual) always landed on the ground ok without tipping over or anything. 
> I
> don't know how someone would do that with a power chair though, sighted or
> not. To be honest though, I never liked backing off a curb and always 
> looked
> for the declines in the sidewalk.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>
>
>> Hi Dan,
>> I want to learn as much as I can.
>> I still don't know how you folks know what to do if you have an area that
>> has a step down curb.
>> You go up to the curb and back to the alley?
>> am I correct on this one?
>> but I would be afraid I would hit my face going on the side of the curb,
>> and
>> I would be afraid to be in the street.
>> I want to learn as much as I can, so if I am with the same situation I
>> know
>> I can still travel.
>> I also would like to see the list encourage the Medical.
>> But to make sure you can control your chair down a hill.
>> things like this.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --Dar
>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>> Every Saint has a past
>> Every Sinner has a future
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan" <JazzyDan at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>>
>>
>>> Hello Dar,
>>> This is Dan.
>>> I know that some people like going really fast and that's OK.
>>> Personally, my chair does just under 4 MPH and that's about as fast
>>> as I normally walked while using a cane before switching to the
>>> wheelchair. I am happy at this speed. No it's not the 11 MPH that
>>> some units can run at, but it works for me.
>>> However, having said that, sometimes I wish it ran around 5 MPH when
>>> crossing streets. But even at that things have worked real well for me.
>>> You know, it's really interesting to read about and discuss all the
>>> different things that those of us who use wheelchairs face every day.
>>> Also, in time, I hope this list will really prove to be a good place
>>> for tips and other worthwhile advice.
>>> One other thing that I would like to say is this. Contrary to what
>>> some might think, and that includes professionals in the field, blind
>>> people really can successfully use wheelchairs and it really helps us
>>> just as much as it'd help any other person needing a manual or power
>>> chair.
>>> I bring this up because one professional told me in no uncertain
>>> terms that a blind person should never be allowed to use a wheelchair
>>> without sighted assistance. Well, several times in the last year,
>>> I've had occasion to be in the same building where this professional
>>> works. A few weeks ago, she finally said to me, "I guess it really
>>> can be done."
>>> That's enough of my rambling for now.
>>> Dan
>>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 10:18 AM, dmgina wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi this is Dar,
>>>> I use a walking cane with my guide dog.
>>>> Did this off and on for years.
>>>> Now it is on again.
>>>> Dealing with vertigo, as well as falling from time to time, I felt
>>>> it better
>>>> to do the cane.
>>>> I admire that you want to go this fast in your chair.
>>>> Do you live in an area where you have only ramp curbs?
>>>>
>>>> --Dar
>>>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>>> Every Saint has a past
>>>> Every Sinner has a future
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Carrie Ann Lucas" <clucas at disabilitypride.com>
>>>> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, about half the time, and when it is light, I have
>>>>> enough vision
>>>>> to navigate without my cane in familiar territory.  I use my cane in
>>>>> unfamiliar territory, and in the dark.  At times my vision is
>>>>> little more
>>>>> than light and movement perception, and I have a much harder time in
>>>>> unfamiliar territory during those times.  The rest of the time I
>>>>> can see
>>>>> some in good light.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a 21st Century Scientific Bounder chair, which is rear wheel
>>>>> drive
>>>>> and
>>>>> built like a tank.  I used to have my chair set VERY fast, 11 mph
>>>>> or so.
>>>>> Now I run at 6 - 6.5 mph top speed.  I use a telescoping cane with
>>>>> a metal
>>>>> tip.  I stabbed myself in the stomach too many times with a
>>>>> folding cane.
>>>>> If the cane catches and I can't stop in time, this one just
>>>>> telescopes
>>>>> onto
>>>>> itself, rather than stabbing me or breaking.  My problem is that a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> times I then drop my cane, and I can't always find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for how I navigate, I just use my cane.  I do rely a great deal
>>>>> on my
>>>>> residual vision, especially for crossing streets, except in those
>>>>> areas
>>>>> where I am lucky enough to have vibrotactle pedestrian signals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a progressive neuromuscular disease, and don't have the arm
>>>>> function
>>>>> to use a manual chair.  My vision, hearing and mobility issues are
>>>>> all
>>>>> unrelated, I just hit some weird genetic jackpot, but all my kids
>>>>> were
>>>>> adopted, so their disabilities are also unrelated (the oldest has a
>>>>> genetic
>>>>> syndrome, one was a micro-preemie and now has cerebral palsy, and the
>>>>> other's disabilities are the result of abuse and neglect).
>>>>>
>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> Hi Carrie --
>>>>> Wow, you do have the load of challenges!  I am not deaf but do need
>>>>> hearing
>>>>> aids as my hearing is 50% without them, but my vision is down to
>>>>> light and
>>>>> color perception nowadays.  I ask you the same question I asked
>>>>> Dan -- how
>>>>> on earth do you use a power chair to navigate, especially in
>>>>> unfamiliar
>>>>> territory? Or do you avoid unfamiliar terrain without a travel
>>>>> companion?
>>>>> Great that you're working.  Sorry to hear your children have to
>>>>> battle
>>>>> some
>>>>> of the same challenges.  That is one reason I never had kids --
>>>>> not that I
>>>>> judge anyone who does have them, but I was afraid of passing along
>>>>> those
>>>>> annoying little genes that have caused me so much trouble...
>>>>> But I'm a very proud and doting aunt...
>>>>> I should probably introduce myself -- I am a computer programmer --
>>>>> degrees
>>>>> in math and computer science -- who worked 12 years after grad
>>>>> school and
>>>>> then had to go on disability due to a "perfect storm" of setbacks.
>>>>> I have been home now for about 10 years but keeping busy with various
>>>>> things
>>>>> and trying to find useful ways of spending my time.
>>>>> My employer's disability insurance made it possible to get by without
>>>>> working for a while -- I live with Mom. We are a team.  She takes
>>>>> care of
>>>>> the house, and when I was working I paid all the bills, but now
>>>>> she and I
>>>>> share the finances.  She is 83. I will be 50 this year.
>>>>> I keep my ear to the job opportunities out there, but have been
>>>>> spending
>>>>> my
>>>>> time in volunteer activities and projects for the time being.
>>>>> Well, hope to hear more from you as it sounds like you'd have a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> interesting things to share.
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Kim & Sophie <kim_and_sophie at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
> To: Blind wheelchair users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> I knew through trial and error.  The first one I had didn't work for me at 
> all!  It was too big, the seat was almost flat so I kept falling forward 
> because I have no trunk control, and every part of it was just wrong.  I 
> had worked with 5 "seating speacialists" when I had this chair.  I got 
> measured by one and the other 4 tried to make things work for me but they 
> never did.
>
>  The next chair I got was measured by myself and my boyfriend and it fits 
> me perfectly.  I took 2 inches off of the seat width, had more "dump" in 
> the seat so I could sit up without always having to lean on one arm, and 
> changed every single measurement right down to the wheels.  I also got 
> more camber on my wheels because I knew I would be more stable on slanted 
> sidewalks and wouldn't get my fingers caught like I use to.
>
>  I guess it all comes down to finding out what works or don't work for you 
> by trying things and making adjustments.  My first chair was a Quickie GT 
> so everything on it was adjustable.  I kept tweaking it until I knew what 
> I needed.  It still didn't work for me, but I knew from the things that 
> didn't work what would work.
>
>  My new chair is a Invacare Top End Titanium and it has no adjustments at 
> all besides the rear axle.  I love it because nothing comes loose and it 
> takes a lot of weight off of the chair.  There are less things to worry 
> about breaking and it only weighs 18lbs including cushion, wheels, 
> backrest etc.
>
>  Try some differnt things out and don't let a "seating speacialist" force 
> you into something without having a chance to test it out and see if it 
> works for yourself.  If I had listened to everyone I would have been in a 
> power chair in a nursing home with my guide dog taken away, but instead 
> I'm living on my own half of the time (my boyfriend travels a lot for 
> work), I still have my guide dog and I use a manual chair, and own my own 
> buisness.  I've also started wheelchair racing.  All because I made it 
> perfectly clear from the beginning that it's my life and I wasn't about to 
> give in to whatever I was told before trying things out.
>
>  Kim & Sophie
>
> dmgina <dmgina at qwest.net> wrote:
>  How did you know what to add to your chair to work for you?
> Or did you get professional help?
>
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
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> Every Sinner has a future
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kim & Sophie"
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>
>
>>I had this problem with my old wheelchair because I only had 3 degrees of
>>camber on my wheels. I would get my hand caught between doorways a lot and
>>because I have no feeling in my hands I wouldn't realize until I couldn't
>>move forward, or I couldn't pull my arm away from my wheel. When I got my
>>new wheelchair I got 9 degrees of camber on my wheels and this gives me
>>enough room so my hands don't touch door frames etc. because the bottom of
>>my wheels can only touch the door frame leaving room between the top of 
>>the
>>wheel for my hand.
>>
>> If you decide to add more camber to your chair you really should consider
>> the width yoru chair will be at the base though. You don't want to do it
>> and be too wide to fit through some doorways! It also adds a lot of
>> stability from side to side to your chair.
>>
>> Kim & Sophie
>>
>> Laura Eaves wrote:
>> Hi Jen --
>> I crash into things with the manual chair too, but I have control enough
>> to
>> stop. Perhaps with practice, the same would be true with a power chair.
>> One annoying thing about using the manual chair is that I frequently -- 
>> that
>> is, *very* frequently -- get my hand caught between the chair and the
>> furniture and so my hands and fingers are constantly bruised and swollen
>> from little injuries, not to mention painful as heck.
>> Does anyone else have this problem?
>> I am fortunate in that I have full use of my arms -- I suppose there are
>> some on the list that are more limited. I am also able to stand and 
>> pivot,
>> but not walk.
>> As for how I stear, I just push with one arm and feel with my feet and 
>> the
>> other arm. I only carry the cane strapped to my chair for identification
>> so
>> people know I'm blind. If I used a power chair I suppose I could use the
>> cane for mobility more easily.
>> Comments welcome.
>> --le
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen"
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I know your question was to Dan, and I don't want to high-jack the email
>> in
>> any way, but I just wanted to ask you how you got around in your manual
>> chair? I have a manual chair right now, and I have a really hard time
>> getting around unfamiliar places, which is just about everywhere except 
>> my
>> house. I have a one-armed gear manual chair, but I don't use it the way
>> I'm
>> supposed to because I almost broke my wrist trying to steer the chair 
>> when
>> I
>> was learning how to use it. I'm hoping that my mobility will be easier
>> with
>> the power chair, but if for some reason I can't drive it without crashing
>> into things, I don't know what I'll do. I really need to be able to get
>> around without people helping me.
>>
>> Jen
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Laura Eaves"
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dan -- Welcome to the list!
>>> I am blind and use a manual chair.
>>> I tried a power chair at one point just to see how well it would work,
>>> but
>>> I
>>> pretty much demolished the furniture and took some paint off the wall. I
>>> suppose for a one-day trial with no experience that was to be expected,
>>> but
>>> I decided that for various reasons I preferred the manual -- not the
>>> least
>>> of which is that I don't need a van to travel, and if I need a ride
>>> somewhere, my friend can throw my light weight folding chair in the 
>>> trunk
>>> of
>>> any car quite easily.
>>> I have a question -- are you total or do you have some vision? and if 
>>> so,
>>> how much?
>>> When I was working, when my vision was better, I could see enough to
>>> stear
>>> in familiar territory. But now my vision is not good enough to navigate
>>> much at all. I do most all navigation by touch, or checking out the 
>>> light
>>> fixtures in the room (I have light vision) to know where I am.
>>> Take care.
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dan"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:26 AM
>>> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am a totally blind person who has been successfully using an
>>> electric wheelchair for over a year.
>>> I have a Jazzy-610 with a PG VSI 50 Amp controller mounted on the
>>> left arm rest. This is a Center-wheel drive with Active Track
>>> Suspension and I absolutely love the Six-Wheels on the ground at all
>>> times. It really does give me tremendous stability.
>>>
>>> I didn't need Rehab Seating. However I do have a High-Backed seat
>>> with a Headrest and it also Reclines.
>>> While I can still walk some, I feel much safer in the wheelchair.
>>> For guidance I use an extremely lightweight carbon fiber folding
>>> cane with a roller tip and it works great.
>>> Dan
>>> _______________________________________________
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> I knew through trial and error.? The first one I had didn't work for me at 
> all!? It was too big, the seat was almost flat so I kept falling forward 
> because I have no trunk control, and every part of it was just wrong.? I 
> had worked with 5 "seating speacialists" when I had this chair.? I got 
> measured by one and the other 4 tried to make things work for me but they 
> never did.
> ?
> The next chair I got was measured by myself and my boyfriend and it fits 
> me perfectly.? I took 2 inches off of the seat width, had more "dump" in 
> the seat so I could sit up without always having to lean on one arm, and 
> changed every single measurement right down to the wheels.? I also got 
> more camber on my wheels because I knew I would be more stable on slanted 
> sidewalks and wouldn't get my fingers caught like I use to.
> ?
> I guess it all comes down to finding out what works or don't work for you 
> by trying things and making adjustments.? My first chair was a Quickie GT 
> so everything on it was adjustable.? I kept tweaking it until I knew what 
> I needed.? It still didn't work for me, but I knew from the things that 
> didn't work what would work.
> ?
> My new chair is a Invacare Top End Titanium and it has no adjustments at 
> all besides the rear axle.? I love it because nothing comes loose and it 
> takes a lot of weight off of the chair.? There are less things to worry 
> about breaking and it only weighs 18lbs including cushion, wheels, 
> backrest etc.?
> ?
> Try some differnt things out and don't let a "seating speacialist" force 
> you into something without having a chance to test it out and see if it 
> works for yourself.? If I had listened to everyone I would have been in a 
> power chair in a nursing home with my guide dog taken away, but instead 
> I'm living on my own half of the time (my boyfriend travels a lot for 
> work), I still have my guide dog and I use a manual chair, and own my own 
> buisness.? I've also started wheelchair racing.? All because I made it 
> perfectly clear from the beginning that it's my life and I wasn't about to 
> give in to whatever I was told before trying things out.
> ?
> Kim & Sophie
> dmgina <dmgina at qwest.net>
> wrote:
> How did you know what to add to your chair to work for you?
> Or did you get professional help?
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
> Every Saint has a past
> Every Sinner has a future
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kim & Sophie"
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>I had this problem with my old wheelchair because I only had 3 degrees of
>>camber on my wheels. I would get my hand caught between doorways a lot and
>>because I have no feeling in my hands I wouldn't realize until I couldn't
>>move forward, or I couldn't pull my arm away from my wheel. When I got my
>>new wheelchair I got 9 degrees of camber on my wheels and this gives me
>>enough room so my hands don't touch door frames etc. because the bottom of
>>my wheels can only touch the door frame leaving room between the top of 
>>the
>>wheel for my hand.
>>
>> If you decide to add more camber to your chair you really should consider
>> the width yoru chair will be at the base though. You don't want to do it
>> and be too wide to fit through some doorways! It also adds a lot of
>> stability from side to side to your chair.
>>
>> Kim & Sophie
>>
>> Laura Eaves
> wrote:
>> Hi Jen --
>> I crash into things with the manual chair too, but I have control enough
>> to
>> stop. Perhaps with practice, the same would be true with a power chair.
>> One annoying thing about using the manual chair is that I frequently --
>> that
>> is, *very* frequently -- get my hand caught between the chair and the
>> furniture and so my hands and fingers are constantly bruised and swollen
>> from little injuries, not to mention painful as heck.
>> Does anyone else have this problem?
>> I am fortunate in that I have full use of my arms -- I suppose there are
>> some on the list that are more limited. I am also able to stand and 
>> pivot,
>> but not walk.
>> As for how I stear, I just push with one arm and feel with my feet and 
>> the
>> other arm. I only carry the cane strapped to my chair for identification
>> so
>> people know I'm blind. If I used a power chair I suppose I could use the
>> cane for mobility more easily.
>> Comments welcome.
>> --le
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen"
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I know your question was to Dan, and I don't want to high-jack the email
>> in
>> any way, but I just wanted to ask you how you got around in your manual
>> chair? I have a manual chair right now, and I have a really hard time
>> getting around unfamiliar places, which is just about everywhere except 
>> my
>> house. I have a one-armed gear manual chair, but I don't use it the way
>> I'm
>> supposed to because I almost broke my wrist trying to steer the chair 
>> when
>> I
>> was learning how to use it. I'm hoping that my mobility will be easier
>> with
>> the power chair, but if for some reason I can't drive it without crashing
>> into things, I don't know what I'll do. I really need to be able to get
>> around without people helping me.
>>
>> Jen
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Laura Eaves"
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dan -- Welcome to the list!
>>> I am blind and use a manual chair.
>>> I tried a power chair at one point just to see how well it would work,
>>> but
>>> I
>>> pretty much demolished the furniture and took some paint off the wall. I
>>> suppose for a one-day trial with no experience that was to be expected,
>>> but
>>> I decided that for various reasons I preferred the manual -- not the
>>> least
>>> of which is that I don't need a van to travel, and if I need a ride
>>> somewhere, my friend can throw my light weight folding chair in the 
>>> trunk
>>> of
>>> any car quite easily.
>>> I have a question -- are you total or do you have some vision? and if 
>>> so,
>>> how much?
>>> When I was working, when my vision was better, I could see enough to
>>> stear
>>> in familiar territory. But now my vision is not good enough to navigate
>>> much at all. I do most all navigation by touch, or checking out the 
>>> light
>>> fixtures in the room (I have light vision) to know where I am.
>>> Take care.
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dan"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:26 AM
>>> Subject: [Blind-rollers] Just wanted to say Hello
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am a totally blind person who has been successfully using an
>>> electric wheelchair for over a year.
>>> I have a Jazzy-610 with a PG VSI 50 Amp controller mounted on the
>>> left arm rest. This is a Center-wheel drive with Active Track
>>> Suspension and I absolutely love the Six-Wheels on the ground at all
>>> times. It really does give me tremendous stability.
>>>
>>> I didn't need Rehab Seating. However I do have a High-Backed seat
>>> with a Headrest and it also Reclines.
>>> While I can still walk some, I feel much safer in the wheelchair.
>>> For guidance I use an extremely lightweight carbon fiber folding
>>> cane with a roller tip and it works great.
>>> Dan
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-rollers mailing list
>>> Blind-rollers at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:26:41 -0700
> From: Dan <JazzyDan at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
> To: Blind wheelchair users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi,
> Where I live we have bike paths, sidewalks with curb cuts, in most
> places.
> Where the bike paths exist, sometimes right along the road, I take
> them. Sometimes I use the sidewalks. Other times I trail the edge of
> the road in places where there are no walks.
> Where I worked, the whole crazy campus was on nothing but hills and I
> do mean hills. I was able to safely control the wheelchair both on
> going up or down hills. This was also one of the reasons my doctor
> thought a power chair would work better than a manual chair. The
> biggest problem I faced there was all the new construction and
> revamping of older buildings that was and is still going on. For at
> least 5 more years.
> As far as I'm concerned, I can safely use a chair just about anywhere
> my dogs could have safely worked.
> Later,
> Dan
> On Jul 26, 2007, at 2:01 PM, dmgina wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>> I want to learn as much as I can.
>> I still don't know how you folks know what to do if you have an
>> area that
>> has a step down curb.
>> You go up to the curb and back to the alley?
>> am I correct on this one?
>> but I would be afraid I would hit my face going on the side of the
>> curb, and
>> I would be afraid to be in the street.
>> I want to learn as much as I can, so if I am with the same
>> situation I know
>> I can still travel.
>> I also would like to see the list encourage the Medical.
>> But to make sure you can control your chair down a hill.
>> things like this.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --Dar
>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>> Every Saint has a past
>> Every Sinner has a future
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan" <JazzyDan at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>>
>>
>>> Hello Dar,
>>> This is Dan.
>>> I know that some people like going really fast and that's OK.
>>> Personally, my chair does just under 4 MPH and that's about as fast
>>> as I normally walked while using a cane before switching to the
>>> wheelchair. I am happy at this speed. No it's not the 11 MPH that
>>> some units can run at, but it works for me.
>>> However, having said that, sometimes I wish it ran around 5 MPH when
>>> crossing streets. But even at that things have worked real well
>>> for me.
>>> You know, it's really interesting to read about and discuss all the
>>> different things that those of us who use wheelchairs face every day.
>>> Also, in time, I hope this list will really prove to be a good place
>>> for tips and other worthwhile advice.
>>> One other thing that I would like to say is this. Contrary to what
>>> some might think, and that includes professionals in the field, blind
>>> people really can successfully use wheelchairs and it really helps us
>>> just as much as it'd help any other person needing a manual or power
>>> chair.
>>> I bring this up because one professional told me in no uncertain
>>> terms that a blind person should never be allowed to use a wheelchair
>>> without sighted assistance. Well, several times in the last year,
>>> I've had occasion to be in the same building where this professional
>>> works. A few weeks ago, she finally said to me, "I guess it really
>>> can be done."
>>> That's enough of my rambling for now.
>>> Dan
>>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 10:18 AM, dmgina wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi this is Dar,
>>>> I use a walking cane with my guide dog.
>>>> Did this off and on for years.
>>>> Now it is on again.
>>>> Dealing with vertigo, as well as falling from time to time, I felt
>>>> it better
>>>> to do the cane.
>>>> I admire that you want to go this fast in your chair.
>>>> Do you live in an area where you have only ramp curbs?
>>>>
>>>> --Dar
>>>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>>> Every Saint has a past
>>>> Every Sinner has a future
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Carrie Ann Lucas" <clucas at disabilitypride.com>
>>>> To: "'Blind wheelchair users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:28 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, about half the time, and when it is light, I have
>>>>> enough vision
>>>>> to navigate without my cane in familiar territory.  I use my
>>>>> cane in
>>>>> unfamiliar territory, and in the dark.  At times my vision is
>>>>> little more
>>>>> than light and movement perception, and I have a much harder
>>>>> time in
>>>>> unfamiliar territory during those times.  The rest of the time I
>>>>> can see
>>>>> some in good light.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a 21st Century Scientific Bounder chair, which is rear wheel
>>>>> drive
>>>>> and
>>>>> built like a tank.  I used to have my chair set VERY fast, 11 mph
>>>>> or so.
>>>>> Now I run at 6 - 6.5 mph top speed.  I use a telescoping cane with
>>>>> a metal
>>>>> tip.  I stabbed myself in the stomach too many times with a
>>>>> folding cane.
>>>>> If the cane catches and I can't stop in time, this one just
>>>>> telescopes
>>>>> onto
>>>>> itself, rather than stabbing me or breaking.  My problem is that a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> times I then drop my cane, and I can't always find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for how I navigate, I just use my cane.  I do rely a great deal
>>>>> on my
>>>>> residual vision, especially for crossing streets, except in those
>>>>> areas
>>>>> where I am lucky enough to have vibrotactle pedestrian signals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a progressive neuromuscular disease, and don't have the arm
>>>>> function
>>>>> to use a manual chair.  My vision, hearing and mobility issues are
>>>>> all
>>>>> unrelated, I just hit some weird genetic jackpot, but all my kids
>>>>> were
>>>>> adopted, so their disabilities are also unrelated (the oldest has a
>>>>> genetic
>>>>> syndrome, one was a micro-preemie and now has cerebral palsy,
>>>>> and the
>>>>> other's disabilities are the result of abuse and neglect).
>>>>>
>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> Hi Carrie --
>>>>> Wow, you do have the load of challenges!  I am not deaf but do need
>>>>> hearing
>>>>> aids as my hearing is 50% without them, but my vision is down to
>>>>> light and
>>>>> color perception nowadays.  I ask you the same question I asked
>>>>> Dan -- how
>>>>> on earth do you use a power chair to navigate, especially in
>>>>> unfamiliar
>>>>> territory? Or do you avoid unfamiliar terrain without a travel
>>>>> companion?
>>>>> Great that you're working.  Sorry to hear your children have to
>>>>> battle
>>>>> some
>>>>> of the same challenges.  That is one reason I never had kids --
>>>>> not that I
>>>>> judge anyone who does have them, but I was afraid of passing along
>>>>> those
>>>>> annoying little genes that have caused me so much trouble...
>>>>> But I'm a very proud and doting aunt...
>>>>> I should probably introduce myself -- I am a computer programmer --
>>>>> degrees
>>>>> in math and computer science -- who worked 12 years after grad
>>>>> school and
>>>>> then had to go on disability due to a "perfect storm" of setbacks.
>>>>> I have been home now for about 10 years but keeping busy with
>>>>> various
>>>>> things
>>>>> and trying to find useful ways of spending my time.
>>>>> My employer's disability insurance made it possible to get by
>>>>> without
>>>>> working for a while -- I live with Mom. We are a team.  She takes
>>>>> care of
>>>>> the house, and when I was working I paid all the bills, but now
>>>>> she and I
>>>>> share the finances.  She is 83. I will be 50 this year.
>>>>> I keep my ear to the job opportunities out there, but have been
>>>>> spending
>>>>> my
>>>>> time in volunteer activities and projects for the time being.
>>>>> Well, hope to hear more from you as it sounds like you'd have a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> interesting things to share.
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:21:29 -0600
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
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> Never take it personal,
> I just want to know how you do it.
> Have you ever fallen over yet?
> I hope it doesn't happen.
>
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
> Every Saint has a past
> Every Sinner has a future
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan" <JazzyDan at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind wheelchair users list" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] hello.
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Where I live we have bike paths, sidewalks with curb cuts, in most
>> places.
>> Where the bike paths exist, sometimes right along the road, I take
>> them. Sometimes I use the sidewalks. Other times I trail the edge of
>> the road in places where there are no walks.
>> Where I worked, the whole crazy campus was on nothing but hills and I
>> do mean hills. I was able to safely control the wheelchair both on
>> going up or down hills. This was also one of the reasons my doctor
>> thought a power chair would work better than a manual chair. The
>> biggest problem I faced there was all the new construction and
>> revamping of older buildings that was and is still going on. For at
>> least 5 more years.
>> As far as I'm concerned, I can safely use a chair just about anywhere
>> my dogs could have safely worked.
>> Later,
>> Dan
>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 2:01 PM, dmgina wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> I want to learn as much as I can.
>>> I still don't know how you folks know what to do if you have an
>>> area that
>>> has a step down curb.
>>> You go up to the curb and back to the alley?
>>> am I correct on this one?
>>> but I would be afraid I would hit my face going on the side of the
>>> curb, and
>>> I would be afraid to be in the street.
>>> I want to learn as much as I can, so if I am with the same
>>> situation I know
>>> I can still travel.
>>> I also would like to see the list encourage the Medical.
>>> But to make sure you can control