[Ag-eq] Horse gaits

nfoster at extremezone.com nfoster at extremezone.com
Sat Jan 25 00:45:38 UTC 2014 

Jewel:

I'm really not sure about that; I haven't heard the term "hand gallop"  Perhaps
it's a show term; I don't know a lot about showing.

Nella
Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:

> Would the "collected canter" be what I have heard referred to as a "hand
> gallop"?
>
>         Jewel
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:29 AM
> To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "Agricultural and Equestrean
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> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Horse gaits
>
>
> Tracy:
>
> I may be wrong about this , but I think running and galloping are the same
> thing.  Like humans horses can run or gallop at different speeds.  I've often
> heard the slower galloped referred to as a collected canter.  A collected
> canter
> is what you want in a show ring; it looks nice.  You want speed, not pretty
> with
> a race horse.
>
> The trot can be done at different speeds too.  A slower trot is desirable in
> the
> western pleasure shows.  The slower trots tend to be more comfortable for the
> rider.  Most horses can just do the walk, the trot and the gallop.  Gaited
> horses such as the Tennessee Walkers and Missouri Fox Trotters have been bred
> to produce other gaits such as the fox trot and the running walk.  As I said
> before most of it is genetics, just because a TWH is registered doesn't mean
> he
> can do the gaits.  I used to own a TWH who couldn't do a running walk.  He
> could
> do a flat walk, a terrible trot and a rough canter.
>
>
> There are other gaited breeds such as the Paso Finos, the Peruvian Paso and
> the
> Icelandics.  I've never ridden these breeds, so don't know what they feel
> like.
>  They are suppose to be very smooth.  I've often heard that the Peruvian Paso
> is
> the smoothest of all the gaited breeds.
>
>   The enthusiasts of each breed say that their breed is the smoothest and the
> most even tempered.  I'm partial to fox trotters, but my neighbor is
> convinced
> that the walkers are better.  I guess it's just a matter of opinion.  Over
> the
> years I've learned that horse people are very opinionated!
>
> Nella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
>
> > A thoroughbred can finish a race "at a gallop", which seems to mean that
> > he's so far ahead that he's just loping along.  If that's a gallop, what is
> > he doing when he's really running?
> > I'm learning quite a bit from this discussion of horse gaits.
> > Tracy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
> > To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> >
> >
> > > Nella!  the *foxtrot does sound rather like the gait  that I said
> Sparkle,
> > > the pacer and Boss, the
> > > Thoroughbred steeplechaser were able to produce!
> > > I stand to be corrected, but I don't think that carriage horses ever did
> > > the unilateral pace as
> > > racing pacers do.  I think that the gait was developed specifically for
> > > racing.
> > > Most pacers have to be hobbled to keep them from going into a diagonal
> > > trot, but there is, the
> > > occasional, * free-legged pacer who does not require hobbles.
> > > One of the best free-legged pacers that I can remember was Rob allan, and
> > > he was a sensation, and
> > > then there was Scotch Tarr, a trotter, but he was so fast that he was
> > > raced against pacers and,
> > > often, left them gasping in the  rear.
> > > and while on the subject of gaits, what in cowboy and western stories is
> a
> > > "dead run"?  Is it just a
> > > gallop?
> > >
> > >        Jewel
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:48 PM
> > > To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> > >
> > > Hi Jewel:
> > >
> > > I'll try and explain the fox trot; I still can't really get a mental
> > > picture of
> > > it!
> > >
> > > In a correct fox trot it looks as if the horses hind legs are trotting
> > > while the
> > > front legs are doing an extended walk.  Cruiser's fox trot is extremely
> > > smooth;
> > > I'm told that he has a text book fox trot.  It feels as if you are
> > > gliding; the
> > > horses back should stay quite level while in the fox trot.
> > >
> > > Cruiser can do a slow walk, which we refer to as the dog walk.  He can do
> > > a flat
> > > walk, which is an extended walk; it was developed to cover more ground.
> > > He can
> > > do a fox trot, which I've already described.  He also has a beautiful
> > > rocking
> > > horse canter, which is also very smooth.
> > >
> > > People with gaited horses do not want them to do the traditional trot.
> > > The
> > > ability to gait well is a combination of genetics, training and the
> riders
> > > ability.  Cruiser is genetically hard wired to gait; I can't take any of
> > > the
> > > credit.  To the best of my knowledge he has never done a traditional
> trot.
> > >
> > > Most people with gaited horses do not want them to pace either.  A pace
> is
> > > a 2
> > > beat lateral movement and can be quite jarring.  Although, I'm told that
> > > it is
> > > comfortable on some horses.  I believe the pace was developed for
> carriage
> > > horses.
> > >
> > > I used to ride a friends Tennessee Walker who would sometimes pace.  I
> > > found it
> > > to be very uncomfortable.  He had a very nice flat walk and a nice
> running
> > > walk.  A running walk is basically the same as a flat walk, just faster.
> > > This
> > > particular horse had to have a lot of training before he gaited well.  If
> > > I
> > > ever got sloppy with my riding he would start pacing.  I would then have
> > > to
> > > adjust my seat and reins to get him to gait again.
> > >
> > > Sometimes when I get sloppy with Cruiser his fox trot won't be quite as
> > > smooth.
> > > As I said before he has never trotted and I don't think he's ever paced
> > > either.
> > >
> > > There is so much to know about gaited horses and I'm still learning all
> > > the
> > > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> > >
> > >> I read a book many years ago, about American show horses, called "Riding
> > >> High" and it spoke of the
> > >> 5-gaited American horse and explained the action of the foxtrot, but it
> > >> was
> > >> so long ago that I have
> > >> forgotten.
> > >> I think that it said the forelegs were in a trot while the hindlegs were
> > >> in a
> > >> canter;  I just could
> > >> not picture  it,:  after all:  just how many different gaits can you get
> > >> out
> > >> of 4 legs?
> > >> I do not move in horse circles:  not actual ones you understand:  any
> > >> more,
> > >> and, no doubt, some of
> > >> our Kiwi western riders may teach the foxtrot, but, Nella, could you
> draw
> > >> a
> > >> verbal picture of the
> > >> gait?.
> > >> One awful practice that was common in those days amongst those who
> showed
> > >> horses was to break the
> > >> dock and  strap it upright, so that when the fracture knit that was its
> > >> permanent position!
> > >> I hope that practice has been outlawed, but in a country where dog's
> ears
> > >> are
> > >> cropped and made to be
> > >> pricked when dropped ears is the norm for the breed, who knows?
> > >> Twice in my riding life, I had horses who could do a fantastic gait.
> like
> > >> a
> > >> very slow trot that I
> > >> could sit to without the merest suggestion of a bump, and without having
> > >> to
> > >> keep my knees clamped to
> > >> the horse's sides.
> > >>   one was a pacer and the other was Boss, the thoroughbred that I wrote
> > >> of in
> > >> a post of a couple of
> > >> months back.
> > >>
> > >> I never thought of asking what the configuration of the horse's legs was
> > >> when
> > >> it was doing this
> > >> trot?  As one of the horses was a pacer, could it have been a pace?  but
> > >> it
> > >> would have been
> > >> surprising if the thoroughbred could do it without hobbles, but he
> could!
> > >> It
> > >> was the smoothest and
> > >> most relaxing gait/pace  to ride to!
> > >>
> > >>         Jewel
> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > >> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:13 PM
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> > >> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> > >>
> > >> Hi Jody:
> > >>
> > >> it sounds as if Florida is much cooler than Arizona.
> > >>
> > >> I'm hoping we will get a couple of freezes so the insect population
> won't
> > >> be
> > >> so
> > >> bad this summer.
> > >>
> > >> How are your young horses and what have you been doing with them?
> > >>
> > >> Have you been riding the older horse any?
> > >>
> > >> I've been getting some great rides in.  Cruiser and I seem to be a
> better
> > >> team
> > >> each time I ride.  I've been working on his transission from fox trot to
> > >> canter.  I'm also working with him on keeping a consistant speed in both
> > >> the
> > >> fox trot and canter.  I've also been trying to get him to extend his
> flat
> > >> walk,
> > >> but he tends to go into the fox trot instead of lengthebing his stride.
> > >> I
> > >> may
> > >> have to get a trainer to help me with that one.
> > >>
> > >> Please write and update us on the horses.
> > >>
> > >> Nella
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Quoting Jody W Ianuzzi <jody at thewhitehats.com>:
> > >>
> > >> > Welcome to the new members to the list.I am Jody with husband Tom and
> > >> > owner
> > >> > trained guide dog Walker
> > >> >
> > >> > We live on a 5 acre farm in central Florida with three horses and
> three
> > >> > chickens.  We have a large garden which is a source of frustration
> with
> > >> > weather, rabbits and horses who are determined that everything I grow
> > >> > never
> > >> > reaches the table.  This is the usual beginning of our growing season
> > >> > but
> > >> > northern temperatures have everything on hold.  We actually take the
> > >> > summer
> > >> > off for growing because it is too hot.
> > >> >
> > >> > We used to live in New Hampshire and I am more familiar with northing
> > >> growing
> > >> > methods so growing a garden here is a new learning experience.  We
> have
> > >> > a
> > >> > great Cooperative Extension and they are very helpful.  We just
> > >> > attended a
> > >> > seminar on Florida gardening which was great.
> > >> >
> > >> > Stay warm everyone except Jewel who is in the middle of summer in New
> > >> > Zealand.  How is your garden this summer Jewel?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > JODY
> > >> >
> > >> > "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!" Thomas Jefferson
> > >> >
> > >> > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:21 AM, nfoster at extremezone.com wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Tracy:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It is suppose to be 75 here today.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yesterday reached 77.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We are having an unusually warm winter even for Phoenix.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nella
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Well Nella and Jody, the thermometer said 5.5 degrees when I got up
> > >> > >> this
> > >> > >> morning. Brrr!  Yesterday when I went to the gym, I made my Seeing
> > >> > >> Eye
> > >> dog
> > >> > >> wear his sweater and boots.  He wasn't too happy about it, but he
> > >> > >> was
> > >> warm
> > >> > >> and dry.
> > >> > >> I really wish I'd done more to protect my tender perennials.  It
> > >> > >> doesn't
> > >> > >> usually stay cold for long here, but this winter has been really
> > >> > >> nippy.
> > >> > >> Tracy
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
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